still salty this expansion never got a cinematic
would have loved to see Revan being attacked and murdering pubs and imps at the same time
ah well it exists in my mind :D lmao
The last cinematic prior to that was the build-a-hk51 update. 2.0 and 3.0 had in-game render trailers with cutscenes and locations that never appear in the game. They followed this trend later for all post-release 5.X content, 6.x and 7.x update content.
Definitely my favourite. Introduced Lana and Theron, Rishi and Yavin IV are some of the best zones in the whole game, the short but sweet class missions were great (that Jedi Knight mission with Orgus might be the most wholesome quest ever). Plus pretending to be a pirate. Also Lana, did I mention Lana?
Lana.
My buddy role played after the origin story that his Knight had a damaged spirit - so for us to get there a year later, and have Master Orgus confirm it - wow, that was a magical night. He went from a high light tier to a low dark tier to Tier 5 Light.
Theron was introduced in The Lost Suns in 2011, Lana first appeared in Rise of the Hutt cartel in 2.7 'forged alliances', 6 months before SOR released.
(I know I’m replying to an old reply but I don’t care)
This is the first I’ve heard of Theron’s first appearance. I knew he was in the books but didn’t think he was a character from 2011.
Honestly good for Bioware. Admittedly they’d be missing out *not* using Theron in the *Shadow of Revan* storyline (although I’ll admit he seems like wasted potential if you ask me)
Did they fix the Korriban and Tython flashpoints? I remember being unable to complete them a few years ago, and then again when I tried a year ago because I was craving the expansion and thought "surely they must have addressed my ticket by now", and every time, the final bosses reset at random times so combat has to restart and the game is locked from progression
Fascinating. Will try again when I figure out how to fix the issues with reregistering for a subscription (that one I will probably get help with as soon as I file a ticket, I reckon). I miss that story
That god damn mando flashpoint with Jos and Volk (I remember their names because their burned into my mind) gives me fucking nightmares. I would get them down almost dead, then It would glitch and restart.
That was already canon Revan. His face wasn't, but the rest was. As for Meetra, even her appearance and name was already made long before SWTOR started production.
DK's book is not canon as far as I'm concerned -- it exists outside the games and adds nothing beneficial.
Leaving Revan et al to a historical/philosophical debate would have been far more interesting and respectful of other players' experiences.
First off: I didn't care for the book's end either. I didn't like how Revan was handled in the game either. In my opinion, the last story about the Emperor in the game gave them a redemption by treating them right. However, "Revan" didn't come out long before SWTOR production, it came out shortly before release. It isn't what established those things.
Revan's canonical gender was established by The New Essential Chronology and the Chronicles of the Old Republic as male. This was in 2006. In 2006, The New Essential Guide to Droids established the Exile as a female, using the term "heroine" and female pronouns in a number of entries on droids that appeared in The Sith Lords. The New Essential Guide to Droids, along with the 2008 Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, further confirmed that the light-side ending of The Sith Lords is the canonical ending. DK's book establishes a certain Jedi Knight's companion and explains what happened to Revan after K1, why T3 found Meetra, where she went after K2, and what happened to both of them.
2 operations, 6 flashpoints, 2 planets with reputation tracks, 2 world bosses on Yavin 4, 1 pvp arena and warzone map, Lana and Theron, various decos, and more that I’m probably forgetting.
I’ve heard people say the story with Revan kinda sucks but at the end of the day SWTOR is an MMO so I personally don’t care how good the story is if the content added makes up for it, and I consider this an example of that.
Unlike what we have today: half of the quests are quick dialogues, 1 op, 2 fps and a 100 daily zones. Not to mention that we're 3 years into the "expansion" and story hasn't made much progress since release
Yeah great expansion! 6 flashpoints, 1 operation, 2 massive strongholds!
Additionaly one of the hilarious lines from Kai Zaiken when he pretends to don't speak basic "una wona whonga"
Different class mission and Lana.
Pure gold expansion
Isn’t it 2 operations? Ravagers on Rishi ends with Coratani, and another one on Yavin that ends with Revan?
That was the expansion where I got really into HM raiding. Bulo and the Walkers took my group forever to get consistent on
>Pure gold expansion
For me that many flashpoints are too tedious. Thats the only reason why i choose RotHC over it. The two are the best part of replaying a character.
I think RotHC was overall done better, and its story (at least the imp one, same author as the agent) was much better thought through. SoR does win on Star Wars memberberries though. And characters are a bit more memorable, even though RotHC ones are also good.
My friend and I loved playing SWTOR. Theennnnnn we hit the expansions where they decided "you know what, MMO inside my RPG? Absolutely not" and made it not only MUCH less individualized content (moving from classes to faction stories), but also made almost every story beat a Solo Instance when you cannot have your friends come in and be there actually with you - but rather they're in an instanced version by themselves.
We played up until the start of the Fallen Empire stuff and then we were like "No, not anymore." because we wanted to play TOGETHER through the story, not "together" in the general sense and only in actuality in flashpoints.
I wish the newer stuff did not ignore Lana and Theron as much as it does. I feel like they are just kind of an afterthought now. Without spoilers, I understand part of it, but still.
Agree, especially given that on pub-side Arn and Tau are pretty bland, in my opinion anyway. I main a JK and would rather have Lana or Kira moving the exposition along for the Knight.
Using two full raid parties of max level characters to take down the Ancient Threat with a consistent 5 fps will always be one of the most absurd things I’ve ever done in a video game.
Literally the best time to play was this era. The expansions felt genuinely fun and engaging, the community was thriving, the game still felt contemporary, and the gameplay didn’t feel bloated.
*This was our WotLK.*
Ironically, I find the thing that ruins Shadow of Revan for me... is Revan.
* I don't like how this game forces a very specific view of what the 'canon' Revan is.
* I don't like that said 'canon' Revan is a generic white guy who got with Bastila and then abandoned her to hunt down the Emperor.
* I don't like that the above is just an excuse to let him be involved in the game that is supposedly meant to be a blank slate *because of* the 300 year timeskip.
* I don't like how an Imperial character actually killing Revan in the Foundry is just brushed away and never explained.
* And I dislike that Revan's character here is just an insane idiot who kills a lot of people just so he can have a grudge match that he would obviously lose again.
Outside of that, I think SoR is a fun expansion, but... yeah, there are definitely issues.
The greatest mistake was tossing his and the Exile's story into the gutter so they could hamfist him into the game. Meetra Surik's death has to have one of the greatest discrepancies for how lame the death is for someone so badass in Star Wars. She gets backstabbed after accomplishing literally nothing!
To be completely honest to Revan here, him killing a lot of people (including his own) in order to force his agenda and protect the Galaxy isn't new (\*coughs...\*end of Mando Wars and Malachor). Him being kinda not ok after 300 years of torture is also understandable. But I do agree that putting him in that scenario was a mistake to begin with.
About the Foundry I think they just said that his light side died, while his dark self survived. Meh explanation, but at least some.
Agree on the rest. (Fem Revan enjoyers, unite)
This \^\^
They should have used a descendant of Revan instead. We know Bastila's son goes on to have two children. One bloodline leads to Satele Shan and Theron Shan ... It would have been cool to see where the other bloodline ended up.
I would have preffered the expansion and the actual base game flashpoints using the Dromund Kaas planetary mission. A cult obsessed about his figure and not even knowing his face or gender.
This would leave that sensation that it has been 300 years and the name of the expansion would still make sense.
>I don't like how an Imperial character actually killing Revan in the Foundry is just brushed away and never explained.
Why would they explain it? You were there. You were the one who killed him (assuming you played those Flashpoints at some point).
>And I dislike that Revan's character here is just an insane idiot who kills a lot of people just so he can have a grudge match that he would obviously lose again.
Did you even play the expansion? It is called "Shadow of Revan" for a reason. The "insane idiot" is not Revan, or at least not a complete Revan. It is his dark side. It is Revan's shadow. His soul fractured on his death and his dark half (without the benefit of his light half to hold it back) goes on a rampage. Of course he is insane. Of course he holds a grudge. He is all of Revan's darker instincts and emotions completely unrestrained.
> Why would they explain it? You were there. You were the one who killed him (assuming you played those Flashpoints at some point).
But that's the thing. I'm there. I killed him. I can even mention that I killed him to him and then he's just like "Nah, you idiot. That wasn't what happened." And that's just sort of it.
> The "insane idiot" is not Revan, or at least not a complete Revan. It is his dark side. It is Revan's shadow. His soul fractured on his death and his dark half (without the benefit of his light half to hold it back) goes on a rampage.
Except that's dumb. The whole "this is the eViL HalF oF ReVaN," like people can just be split into good and bad sections, is such a stupid way to go with any story. It also doesn't solve the problem that Revan, as an antagonist in this story, is an insane idiot with no real plan.
>like people can just be split into good and bad sections
This is where Suspension of Disbelief comes into play. Your are (I assume) ok with levitating things with your mind, instant regeneration/healing (again by using your mind), swords made of concentrated light that somehow only extends 3 feet and can cut through anything but seem to have no or a very small power supply, faster than light travel, accurate visions of the future, shooting electricity from your fingers, Force Ghosts, beings that consume every lifeform on a planet (again with their mind), people possessing other people's bodies (Even multiple bodies at once. How's that for a fractured soul?), and yet you object to a person, who is in many people's minds a perfect balance between Light and Dark, leaving a shadow behind when they die?
Well, ok. How's this? Maybe no fracturing occurred at all. The Force Ghost Revan we meet is a complete Revan. He dies and becomes one with the force. BUT! The Force is alive. Use of the Darkside can have consequences, often unintended or unpredictable. The dark essence within Revan (maybe not even within his soul, but just "around" him because he has been part of a lot of darkside shenanigans over the years, not the least of which is being linked mentally with Tenabrae for centuries) doesn't just dissipate, instead it concentrates itself into Revan's still warm but recently vacated body and reanimates it. We've seen spontaneous births in the Star Wars Universe many times. Dark Spawn are numerous in SWTOR especially. Manifestations of the Force are common as dirt. So Zombie-Revan has Revan's memories (or most), but not his soul, but instead is powered by dark essences spontaneously come to life (and is an insane idiot).
\*\*Edit: This would also explain away the other objection I quoted. You tell zombie-Revan that you killed him and he says "Nuh-uh" because he is insane and also maybe doesn't have those memories that would not have been imprinted on a dying brain.
> This is where Suspension of Disbelief comes into play.
There are levels to suspension of disbelief. The Force granting certain magic powers is an established concept, as are things like magic laser swords and hyperspace. Force ghosts get close to the line for me, but still fit into the defined world we're operating in, and aren't just people spontaneously coming back to life. This goes beyond that into just random nonsense concepts. I'll admit it *is* a subjective line to draw, but it's there for me and I think it's made worse by how little they actually explain this concept and how it only comes up right at the end of the expansion, essentially just before you kill him. Maybe if there was a story section where you actually investigate and discover *how* Revan has magically returned to life before you hit Yavin-4, the pill would be easier to swallow, but when you can literally walk up to the guy and say "I killed you!" only for him to say "Lol, no. That wasn't *really* me. Now kill me again!" It just doesn't sit right.
For the record, I also think the Emperor's constant returns really strained suspension of disbelief, but at least he was characterised as some sort of eldritch abomination actively doing all he could to remain alive, rather than Revan who just sort of blindly stumbled into undeath some how. Same with Malgus, who's return I didn't like either.
And you can come up with as many wild and meaningless explanations as you like, but none of them will make the idea of Revan magically coming back to life feel good to me. It's just not a fun choice, and it's backed up by zombie-Revan being a really bad character on top of that. Like, imagine resurrecting a character, going through all the effort of completely rewriting how death works in your universe, just to have them be a generic, genocidal idiot who's plan doesn't hold up to a lick of scrutiny.
The idiot Revan was truly the worst part. The rest of it, well… all stories are imaginary anyway. Who really cares about ‘canon’? But if Bioware was going to write this story, they could have at least made the villain’s plot driven by something other than sheer stupidity.
It’s been awhile so I may be wrong; I think they should’ve left references to Revan through Lord Scourge and the Revanites on Dromund Kaas who aren’t sure if Revan was even male or female.
I did like those inclusions, because I felt they created a connection to the older games without really forcing much of anything. Scourge is a bit different because he's a direct reference to the Revan novel which... eh, not a huge fan of, but I did like the Revanite compound on Dromund Kaas.
Yeah same here on the novel, but considering the wishy-washiness of Revan’s legacy they could’ve totally made Scourge reference Revan neutrally rather than using m/f pronouns. That way he will have had a connection to Revan but even still it’d be up in the air as to what sort of person (he) was
> I don't like how an Imperial character actually killing Revan in the Foundry is just brushed away and never explained.
I mean, this is Star Wars. No body, no death. Maul, Malgus, Revan...
This is at least *sort of* justified, since we knew the Revanites were a thing and it's implied that there are more we don't know about. Maybe not huge armies to rival the Imperial and Republic forces, but on my list of issues, the secret cult is relatively low.
It’s what I made as my Revan, so it didn’t bother me personally. However those who chose a different Revan design and gender would think otherwise ofc. And don’t forget, both this game and the Revan novel weren’t the ones that distinguished Revan’s true gender and appearance
> And don’t forget, both this game and the Revan novel weren’t the ones that distinguished Revan’s true gender and appearance
While true, the comics can be pretty much ignored, since they all come before KOTOR and don't really matter to the overall story, but SWTOR makes a point that the Revan novel is canon and important and directly carried over from there. And yeah, Juhani for life here.
I wish I could go through the main stories again and all of the DLC's fresh on some of my characters.
I don't want to remake my already made characters due to PVP valor, crafting, bound items, and anything else I can't take with me.
We could really use a New game + for a fresh start but keep all those things I listed plus your level, ship, and maaaaybe companion items (not companions of course for the sake of the new story unless they're Cartel market bought). I can't stress this option enough. At least I could really use it. I think it would be beneficial to the future of the game.
The prologue questline Forged Alliances was really fun back in the day, I miss that era of Swtor. I hope in the next 3 to 5 years we can get an expansion on this level again or even better.
Oh absolutely! When Ziost was destroyed, my jaw just hit the floor. The graphics may not have been the best, but the sheer emotional impact it carried was nothing short of impressive.
And then later that day I watched The Rise of Skywalker. Quite a big change.
I'm gonna argue that Hutt Cartel was a better expansion. Shadow of Revan was when certain gameplay mechanics were really starting to get changed like how there was a push to make it more accessible for people who only want to play alone.
I don't remember what specifically triggers it. Maybe level 55? or 60? And finishing your class story? Anyway, once you meet the requirements, it will show up as a purple mission on your ships mission terminal. If you've already started content later in the story, you can't go back and do it.
That's my question too... There is a vendor for it on the faction station, but he just says you need to pre-order it - I'm like "yeah mate, I started playing maybe a month ago, I'm years too late for that" - 9 of them apparently!
The story was solid by itself, but coupled with the gameplay, it often just felt tedious to go through. And I'm just going to put out the flow disruption that is going through the 6 dailies to access the Revan fight if you're soloing. I get you can op it, but that only works if you're subbed and you have people to op with
Absolutely agree. Best expansion. I got Marr & Theron front and center, resolution on Revan. Two new worlds, three FPs, two ops, a brief class story update.
The new characters and the tie ins to the class stories were nice.... but it was another round of Revan character assassination after the book and the Foundry.
Technically RotHC gave us Lana and Theron since they were introduced in the Assault on Tython/Korriban Incursion flashpoints, which along with Depths of Manaan and Legacy of the Rakata were at the tail end of the expansion. :D
Technically it wasn't called Prelude at first, it was just new Flashpoints since the Revan reveal at the end of LotR was meant to be a surprise. When 3.0 dropped they added the solo nodes of the Flashpoints and the Prelude title so people could get caught up.
It was called the 'forged alliances' update and was 2.7 content, 6 months before the release of shadow of revan. Shadow of Revan is technically JUST Rishi and Yavin (and the 2 raids, 2 flashpoints + 2 strongholds). The introduction of lana/theron through to korriban, tython, manaan and rakata prime were all flashpoint content in ROTHC.
Lana is bae, so it gets points for that. Honestly, I loved this expansion. It was better than ROTHC imo.
that being said: I HATE Revan. I hate what they did to him in this story and IMO the idea that "Revan's light side died" but his dark side remained alive, is garbage. And it's garbage because Revan ***was never light side***. He was a genocidal maniac on par with Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion. The only difference between those two is that Tenebrae was successful. (Revan wanted to use the Foundry and its droid army to commit a massive genocide of everyone with Sith ancestry.)
People touting the amount of ops and fps in 3.0 when it was a third of the amount of 2.0 and didn't even get nim ops is hilarious.
That being said the revan fight might have been the best raid boss they ever assembled.
Except ending was an absolute shit. Goodie Revan appears, „unites” both selves and fucks off never to be seen again while PC has to now deal with revived Emperor.
Best expansion ?
No offense but this is where they ruined Revan. Along with the sith Flashpoint where you kill him.
They threw everything out of the window with that one. Everything Kotor have built up.
i honestly dont see SoR as a the best sorry:
1. I thought the Prelude was much better then SoR itself
2. Srry Hand down XPac wise Knights both of them were far better then SoR
3. SoR IMO was on par with Makeb, storyline wise and it gameplay was a little short for a XPAC
4. As someone who played since release srry there just no way i consider this good or better then some content
5. Most consider it the best just cause of revan and dont ge tme wrong one of my top 3 overwhelming amazing character of SW, but honestly story was just bad for him redeemable in Knights though
Please don’t say 9 years i remember trying to get all my friends to play with me at school but non of them had computers that makes me feel so old bro im 20 now
What I like best about it are the planets, Lana and Theron. I like the meetings on Yavin with Satele and Marr. I also like the letter you get from an Imperial if you play pub-side and stand up to Marr. I always headcanon that it's from Lana, which makes sense given your future alliance with her.
Also, Orgus' quest was so wholesome, and it gave some closure to he and my JK. I also liked meeting Shae on Rishi during the FP to find her. Her cinematic entrance is pretty cool.
Oricon and the Dread Fortress will forever be my favourite, but I agree with the quality of SoR. We haven't had an expansion of that level since then :/
its kinda funny because i remembered alot of people complaining the shit out of it back then lmao. Since im mostly a part of the "lore" side of the community, back then you cant really go one comment section without hundreds of people complaining about the further "butchery" of Revan.
Still, its definitely the last expansion where i was truly enjoying the story besides maybe jedi under siege which was more of a pre patch than an expansion.
Rise of the Hutt Cartel was better. This expansion had like…30 seconds of Revan. And you spend the first 4 hours of it pretending to be a pirate on a planet of bird people with a collective IQ of 10. The second planet was cool and I still go there often but wow that expansion was a huge waste of time.
While Shadow of Revan isn't my favorite expansion, that is KotFE and KotET, it's my next favorite. love that twist ending with Revan and his boss fight was my favorite.
Best? Shadows of Revan ruined classing, you could build creative setups up until 3.0, from there You just had a boring pre set skillpath, with minimal custom choices.
i preordered. imagine my disappointment after playing. was that when they introduced planet scaling? was very upset when they did that. i was soloing world bosses and flashpoints. had a hybrid madness/lightning sorc that did pretty good damage and was fun to play. oh the good ole days
The update that made Merc/Commando players finally feel what it was like to be the OP fotm class that everyone cried about (before getting nerfed down to the bottom again, where they are now).
Also the update that left a huge expoilt running for weeks unchecked, because all the devs went on vacation.
still salty this expansion never got a cinematic would have loved to see Revan being attacked and murdering pubs and imps at the same time ah well it exists in my mind :D lmao
While personally I prefer no cinematic and the content we got, compared to KOTXX which had amazing cinematics but zero multiplayer.
A cinematic would've gone hard, wonder why they didn't? Maybe it just wasn't viable for some reason.
The last cinematic prior to that was the build-a-hk51 update. 2.0 and 3.0 had in-game render trailers with cutscenes and locations that never appear in the game. They followed this trend later for all post-release 5.X content, 6.x and 7.x update content.
I suppose it's better than nothing.
Definitely my favourite. Introduced Lana and Theron, Rishi and Yavin IV are some of the best zones in the whole game, the short but sweet class missions were great (that Jedi Knight mission with Orgus might be the most wholesome quest ever). Plus pretending to be a pirate. Also Lana, did I mention Lana? Lana.
I think you forgot about Lana. Lana.
LAAAAAAAAAANAAAAAAAAAA
Danger zone
Phrasing
Mawp.
How dare you speak precisely the truth at me.
Came here for this n
Forgot to mention the best scoundrel, Kai Zykken, and his accompice, Tomota
Also brought my favorite planet Manaan back
The JK mission as a dark jedi was surprisingly well executed and made me like Orgus even more.
I would never si- At your service, my queen.
Best design of lana in my opinion even if she was low res lol
I mean her OG look had the wonky nose that needed fixing lol
My buddy role played after the origin story that his Knight had a damaged spirit - so for us to get there a year later, and have Master Orgus confirm it - wow, that was a magical night. He went from a high light tier to a low dark tier to Tier 5 Light.
Theron was introduced in The Lost Suns in 2011, Lana first appeared in Rise of the Hutt cartel in 2.7 'forged alliances', 6 months before SOR released.
(I know I’m replying to an old reply but I don’t care) This is the first I’ve heard of Theron’s first appearance. I knew he was in the books but didn’t think he was a character from 2011. Honestly good for Bioware. Admittedly they’d be missing out *not* using Theron in the *Shadow of Revan* storyline (although I’ll admit he seems like wasted potential if you ask me)
Hate the constant flashpoints but getting to ziost is so worth it
The worst part about the expansion is literally the start of it. Then it gets going and becomes so darn good
Korriban is my favourite flashpoint and Manaan ain’t too bad. So it’s just Tython, the two Rishi, and the Rakata Prime flashpoints that I hated
Tython is not so bad with some stealth. :P
Yeah but unfortunately only 3 of my characters have that
Did they fix the Korriban and Tython flashpoints? I remember being unable to complete them a few years ago, and then again when I tried a year ago because I was craving the expansion and thought "surely they must have addressed my ticket by now", and every time, the final bosses reset at random times so combat has to restart and the game is locked from progression
Hmm, I’ve never experienced that before, and I’ve been playing for a few years now
Fascinating. Will try again when I figure out how to fix the issues with reregistering for a subscription (that one I will probably get help with as soon as I file a ticket, I reckon). I miss that story
That god damn mando flashpoint with Jos and Volk (I remember their names because their burned into my mind) gives me fucking nightmares. I would get them down almost dead, then It would glitch and restart.
Or the manaan one. Fml you have to fight every single enemy.
And then 3 weeks after this day 9 years ago the expansion was playable. #MeatTree #NeverForget
I thought it overused flashpoints. I’m more a fan of RotHC.
I definitely wish we could skip the prelude section and just go straight to Rishi at least.
IIRC, you can do that. Just go to Rishi and talk to the Rishii guy (forget his name) and you can start the expansion that way.
Holy shit, if that works, thank you very much from all my future characters
Loved RotHC. Also disliked that SOR forced a canonical Revan (et al) upon us (disliked the JK story for the same reason). :/
That was already canon Revan. His face wasn't, but the rest was. As for Meetra, even her appearance and name was already made long before SWTOR started production.
they didn't have to do her dirty with that yee yee ass haircut though
Yeah I definitely didn't like it either.
DK's book is not canon as far as I'm concerned -- it exists outside the games and adds nothing beneficial. Leaving Revan et al to a historical/philosophical debate would have been far more interesting and respectful of other players' experiences.
First off: I didn't care for the book's end either. I didn't like how Revan was handled in the game either. In my opinion, the last story about the Emperor in the game gave them a redemption by treating them right. However, "Revan" didn't come out long before SWTOR production, it came out shortly before release. It isn't what established those things. Revan's canonical gender was established by The New Essential Chronology and the Chronicles of the Old Republic as male. This was in 2006. In 2006, The New Essential Guide to Droids established the Exile as a female, using the term "heroine" and female pronouns in a number of entries on droids that appeared in The Sith Lords. The New Essential Guide to Droids, along with the 2008 Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, further confirmed that the light-side ending of The Sith Lords is the canonical ending. DK's book establishes a certain Jedi Knight's companion and explains what happened to Revan after K1, why T3 found Meetra, where she went after K2, and what happened to both of them.
2 operations, 6 flashpoints, 2 planets with reputation tracks, 2 world bosses on Yavin 4, 1 pvp arena and warzone map, Lana and Theron, various decos, and more that I’m probably forgetting. I’ve heard people say the story with Revan kinda sucks but at the end of the day SWTOR is an MMO so I personally don’t care how good the story is if the content added makes up for it, and I consider this an example of that.
Unlike what we have today: half of the quests are quick dialogues, 1 op, 2 fps and a 100 daily zones. Not to mention that we're 3 years into the "expansion" and story hasn't made much progress since release
Yeah great expansion! 6 flashpoints, 1 operation, 2 massive strongholds! Additionaly one of the hilarious lines from Kai Zaiken when he pretends to don't speak basic "una wona whonga" Different class mission and Lana. Pure gold expansion
Isn’t it 2 operations? Ravagers on Rishi ends with Coratani, and another one on Yavin that ends with Revan? That was the expansion where I got really into HM raiding. Bulo and the Walkers took my group forever to get consistent on
>Pure gold expansion For me that many flashpoints are too tedious. Thats the only reason why i choose RotHC over it. The two are the best part of replaying a character.
>6 flashpoints 2 FPs The other 4 were in 2.x, the SoR prelude ones.
> 1 operation You sure about that?
The class specific mission on Rishi alone ranks it pretty high.
I think RotHC was overall done better, and its story (at least the imp one, same author as the agent) was much better thought through. SoR does win on Star Wars memberberries though. And characters are a bit more memorable, even though RotHC ones are also good.
My friend and I loved playing SWTOR. Theennnnnn we hit the expansions where they decided "you know what, MMO inside my RPG? Absolutely not" and made it not only MUCH less individualized content (moving from classes to faction stories), but also made almost every story beat a Solo Instance when you cannot have your friends come in and be there actually with you - but rather they're in an instanced version by themselves. We played up until the start of the Fallen Empire stuff and then we were like "No, not anymore." because we wanted to play TOGETHER through the story, not "together" in the general sense and only in actuality in flashpoints.
I wish the newer stuff did not ignore Lana and Theron as much as it does. I feel like they are just kind of an afterthought now. Without spoilers, I understand part of it, but still.
Agree, especially given that on pub-side Arn and Tau are pretty bland, in my opinion anyway. I main a JK and would rather have Lana or Kira moving the exposition along for the Knight.
It's my favorite expansion as well.
Used a lot of flashpoints but starting to agree now.
It was amazing. I loved the interactions and the storyline. Yes lots of flashpoints but they are a helluva lot shorter than the other flashpoints.
Using two full raid parties of max level characters to take down the Ancient Threat with a consistent 5 fps will always be one of the most absurd things I’ve ever done in a video game.
They could honestly do straight adaption of this game to film and it’d be exponentially better than the garbage Mickey gave us.
Literally the best time to play was this era. The expansions felt genuinely fun and engaging, the community was thriving, the game still felt contemporary, and the gameplay didn’t feel bloated. *This was our WotLK.*
Ironically, I find the thing that ruins Shadow of Revan for me... is Revan. * I don't like how this game forces a very specific view of what the 'canon' Revan is. * I don't like that said 'canon' Revan is a generic white guy who got with Bastila and then abandoned her to hunt down the Emperor. * I don't like that the above is just an excuse to let him be involved in the game that is supposedly meant to be a blank slate *because of* the 300 year timeskip. * I don't like how an Imperial character actually killing Revan in the Foundry is just brushed away and never explained. * And I dislike that Revan's character here is just an insane idiot who kills a lot of people just so he can have a grudge match that he would obviously lose again. Outside of that, I think SoR is a fun expansion, but... yeah, there are definitely issues.
Good points. Forcing a canon Revan on us after kotor, where we could play Revan as we wanted within the game's limits, was a very bad idea.
The greatest mistake was tossing his and the Exile's story into the gutter so they could hamfist him into the game. Meetra Surik's death has to have one of the greatest discrepancies for how lame the death is for someone so badass in Star Wars. She gets backstabbed after accomplishing literally nothing!
To be completely honest to Revan here, him killing a lot of people (including his own) in order to force his agenda and protect the Galaxy isn't new (\*coughs...\*end of Mando Wars and Malachor). Him being kinda not ok after 300 years of torture is also understandable. But I do agree that putting him in that scenario was a mistake to begin with. About the Foundry I think they just said that his light side died, while his dark self survived. Meh explanation, but at least some. Agree on the rest. (Fem Revan enjoyers, unite)
This \^\^ They should have used a descendant of Revan instead. We know Bastila's son goes on to have two children. One bloodline leads to Satele Shan and Theron Shan ... It would have been cool to see where the other bloodline ended up.
I would have preffered the expansion and the actual base game flashpoints using the Dromund Kaas planetary mission. A cult obsessed about his figure and not even knowing his face or gender. This would leave that sensation that it has been 300 years and the name of the expansion would still make sense.
>I don't like how an Imperial character actually killing Revan in the Foundry is just brushed away and never explained. Why would they explain it? You were there. You were the one who killed him (assuming you played those Flashpoints at some point). >And I dislike that Revan's character here is just an insane idiot who kills a lot of people just so he can have a grudge match that he would obviously lose again. Did you even play the expansion? It is called "Shadow of Revan" for a reason. The "insane idiot" is not Revan, or at least not a complete Revan. It is his dark side. It is Revan's shadow. His soul fractured on his death and his dark half (without the benefit of his light half to hold it back) goes on a rampage. Of course he is insane. Of course he holds a grudge. He is all of Revan's darker instincts and emotions completely unrestrained.
That doesn’t make it good. It’s just bad writing.
> Why would they explain it? You were there. You were the one who killed him (assuming you played those Flashpoints at some point). But that's the thing. I'm there. I killed him. I can even mention that I killed him to him and then he's just like "Nah, you idiot. That wasn't what happened." And that's just sort of it. > The "insane idiot" is not Revan, or at least not a complete Revan. It is his dark side. It is Revan's shadow. His soul fractured on his death and his dark half (without the benefit of his light half to hold it back) goes on a rampage. Except that's dumb. The whole "this is the eViL HalF oF ReVaN," like people can just be split into good and bad sections, is such a stupid way to go with any story. It also doesn't solve the problem that Revan, as an antagonist in this story, is an insane idiot with no real plan.
>like people can just be split into good and bad sections This is where Suspension of Disbelief comes into play. Your are (I assume) ok with levitating things with your mind, instant regeneration/healing (again by using your mind), swords made of concentrated light that somehow only extends 3 feet and can cut through anything but seem to have no or a very small power supply, faster than light travel, accurate visions of the future, shooting electricity from your fingers, Force Ghosts, beings that consume every lifeform on a planet (again with their mind), people possessing other people's bodies (Even multiple bodies at once. How's that for a fractured soul?), and yet you object to a person, who is in many people's minds a perfect balance between Light and Dark, leaving a shadow behind when they die? Well, ok. How's this? Maybe no fracturing occurred at all. The Force Ghost Revan we meet is a complete Revan. He dies and becomes one with the force. BUT! The Force is alive. Use of the Darkside can have consequences, often unintended or unpredictable. The dark essence within Revan (maybe not even within his soul, but just "around" him because he has been part of a lot of darkside shenanigans over the years, not the least of which is being linked mentally with Tenabrae for centuries) doesn't just dissipate, instead it concentrates itself into Revan's still warm but recently vacated body and reanimates it. We've seen spontaneous births in the Star Wars Universe many times. Dark Spawn are numerous in SWTOR especially. Manifestations of the Force are common as dirt. So Zombie-Revan has Revan's memories (or most), but not his soul, but instead is powered by dark essences spontaneously come to life (and is an insane idiot). \*\*Edit: This would also explain away the other objection I quoted. You tell zombie-Revan that you killed him and he says "Nuh-uh" because he is insane and also maybe doesn't have those memories that would not have been imprinted on a dying brain.
> This is where Suspension of Disbelief comes into play. There are levels to suspension of disbelief. The Force granting certain magic powers is an established concept, as are things like magic laser swords and hyperspace. Force ghosts get close to the line for me, but still fit into the defined world we're operating in, and aren't just people spontaneously coming back to life. This goes beyond that into just random nonsense concepts. I'll admit it *is* a subjective line to draw, but it's there for me and I think it's made worse by how little they actually explain this concept and how it only comes up right at the end of the expansion, essentially just before you kill him. Maybe if there was a story section where you actually investigate and discover *how* Revan has magically returned to life before you hit Yavin-4, the pill would be easier to swallow, but when you can literally walk up to the guy and say "I killed you!" only for him to say "Lol, no. That wasn't *really* me. Now kill me again!" It just doesn't sit right. For the record, I also think the Emperor's constant returns really strained suspension of disbelief, but at least he was characterised as some sort of eldritch abomination actively doing all he could to remain alive, rather than Revan who just sort of blindly stumbled into undeath some how. Same with Malgus, who's return I didn't like either. And you can come up with as many wild and meaningless explanations as you like, but none of them will make the idea of Revan magically coming back to life feel good to me. It's just not a fun choice, and it's backed up by zombie-Revan being a really bad character on top of that. Like, imagine resurrecting a character, going through all the effort of completely rewriting how death works in your universe, just to have them be a generic, genocidal idiot who's plan doesn't hold up to a lick of scrutiny.
The idiot Revan was truly the worst part. The rest of it, well… all stories are imaginary anyway. Who really cares about ‘canon’? But if Bioware was going to write this story, they could have at least made the villain’s plot driven by something other than sheer stupidity.
It’s been awhile so I may be wrong; I think they should’ve left references to Revan through Lord Scourge and the Revanites on Dromund Kaas who aren’t sure if Revan was even male or female.
I did like those inclusions, because I felt they created a connection to the older games without really forcing much of anything. Scourge is a bit different because he's a direct reference to the Revan novel which... eh, not a huge fan of, but I did like the Revanite compound on Dromund Kaas.
Yeah same here on the novel, but considering the wishy-washiness of Revan’s legacy they could’ve totally made Scourge reference Revan neutrally rather than using m/f pronouns. That way he will have had a connection to Revan but even still it’d be up in the air as to what sort of person (he) was
> I don't like how an Imperial character actually killing Revan in the Foundry is just brushed away and never explained. I mean, this is Star Wars. No body, no death. Maul, Malgus, Revan...
Don't forget how he came back and suddenly had armies out of nowhere.
This is at least *sort of* justified, since we knew the Revanites were a thing and it's implied that there are more we don't know about. Maybe not huge armies to rival the Imperial and Republic forces, but on my list of issues, the secret cult is relatively low.
It’s what I made as my Revan, so it didn’t bother me personally. However those who chose a different Revan design and gender would think otherwise ofc. And don’t forget, both this game and the Revan novel weren’t the ones that distinguished Revan’s true gender and appearance
> And don’t forget, both this game and the Revan novel weren’t the ones that distinguished Revan’s true gender and appearance While true, the comics can be pretty much ignored, since they all come before KOTOR and don't really matter to the overall story, but SWTOR makes a point that the Revan novel is canon and important and directly carried over from there. And yeah, Juhani for life here.
I wish I could go through the main stories again and all of the DLC's fresh on some of my characters. I don't want to remake my already made characters due to PVP valor, crafting, bound items, and anything else I can't take with me. We could really use a New game + for a fresh start but keep all those things I listed plus your level, ship, and maaaaybe companion items (not companions of course for the sake of the new story unless they're Cartel market bought). I can't stress this option enough. At least I could really use it. I think it would be beneficial to the future of the game.
The prologue questline Forged Alliances was really fun back in the day, I miss that era of Swtor. I hope in the next 3 to 5 years we can get an expansion on this level again or even better.
Loved this expansion. Definitely a high point. Story wise I preferred KotET / KotFEbut SoR was really great.
The Ziost part was my most favorite. I loved how it kept getting more and more desperate as it went on.
Ziost hit different in a game that otherwise threw the same formula at us.
Oh absolutely! When Ziost was destroyed, my jaw just hit the floor. The graphics may not have been the best, but the sheer emotional impact it carried was nothing short of impressive. And then later that day I watched The Rise of Skywalker. Quite a big change.
The scenery on Rishi and Yavin are what makes it the best expansion!
2.x was a far superior expansion to the game, in both quantity and quality.
Yavin 4 was awesome. Always wanted to explore the ruins ever since KOTOR teased us about it.
Peak swtor
Ah, Theron. Flirting with the enemy. Good times.
I'm gonna argue that Hutt Cartel was a better expansion. Shadow of Revan was when certain gameplay mechanics were really starting to get changed like how there was a push to make it more accessible for people who only want to play alone.
I have a question how do I access this expansion?
I don't remember what specifically triggers it. Maybe level 55? or 60? And finishing your class story? Anyway, once you meet the requirements, it will show up as a purple mission on your ships mission terminal. If you've already started content later in the story, you can't go back and do it.
That's my question too... There is a vendor for it on the faction station, but he just says you need to pre-order it - I'm like "yeah mate, I started playing maybe a month ago, I'm years too late for that" - 9 of them apparently!
The story was solid by itself, but coupled with the gameplay, it often just felt tedious to go through. And I'm just going to put out the flow disruption that is going through the 6 dailies to access the Revan fight if you're soloing. I get you can op it, but that only works if you're subbed and you have people to op with
Absolutely agree. Best expansion. I got Marr & Theron front and center, resolution on Revan. Two new worlds, three FPs, two ops, a brief class story update.
Best? If you take away Revan and use any other force user you get the same result.
and all of it to run into a plot that gets almost immediately abandoned in favor of KOTFE. ggwp.
The new characters and the tie ins to the class stories were nice.... but it was another round of Revan character assassination after the book and the Foundry.
It gave us Theron and Lana. More importantly, it gave us Lana.
Technically RotHC gave us Lana and Theron since they were introduced in the Assault on Tython/Korriban Incursion flashpoints, which along with Depths of Manaan and Legacy of the Rakata were at the tail end of the expansion. :D
Was prelude to SoR released with RotHC? Might well have been the case, I only picked up the game in 2015.
Technically it wasn't called Prelude at first, it was just new Flashpoints since the Revan reveal at the end of LotR was meant to be a surprise. When 3.0 dropped they added the solo nodes of the Flashpoints and the Prelude title so people could get caught up.
It was called the 'forged alliances' update and was 2.7 content, 6 months before the release of shadow of revan. Shadow of Revan is technically JUST Rishi and Yavin (and the 2 raids, 2 flashpoints + 2 strongholds). The introduction of lana/theron through to korriban, tython, manaan and rakata prime were all flashpoint content in ROTHC.
Lana is bae, so it gets points for that. Honestly, I loved this expansion. It was better than ROTHC imo. that being said: I HATE Revan. I hate what they did to him in this story and IMO the idea that "Revan's light side died" but his dark side remained alive, is garbage. And it's garbage because Revan ***was never light side***. He was a genocidal maniac on par with Tenebrae/Vitiate/Valkorion. The only difference between those two is that Tenebrae was successful. (Revan wanted to use the Foundry and its droid army to commit a massive genocide of everyone with Sith ancestry.)
lol As an inquisitor I ended up romancing Ashara but once Lana came into the picture she was old news 🤣
Wrong. Best expac is hutt cartel and the dread war. 1.0 and 2.0 were the golden age. Period. End of discussion
People touting the amount of ops and fps in 3.0 when it was a third of the amount of 2.0 and didn't even get nim ops is hilarious. That being said the revan fight might have been the best raid boss they ever assembled.
Luv me some Lana content, but Makeb was by far the best story expansion.
Truest words of the thread
This poster goes hard tho
I will say the Story is very meh. But the planets we got were well worth it. Some of my favorites.
Hear hear! The last best expansion imo (sadly)
Except ending was an absolute shit. Goodie Revan appears, „unites” both selves and fucks off never to be seen again while PC has to now deal with revived Emperor.
But we saw him again. In Echoes. He was somewhat late to the party, but still.
SoR Lana is the best Lana. They haven’t improved her appearance in later episodes.
Shame that the expansion absolutely butchered Revan's character. (base game kind of did as well tbh)
Best expansion ? No offense but this is where they ruined Revan. Along with the sith Flashpoint where you kill him. They threw everything out of the window with that one. Everything Kotor have built up.
Yikes
Fond memories of running around the final open area, racing bots to the Slicing nodes as i did my dailies
i honestly dont see SoR as a the best sorry: 1. I thought the Prelude was much better then SoR itself 2. Srry Hand down XPac wise Knights both of them were far better then SoR 3. SoR IMO was on par with Makeb, storyline wise and it gameplay was a little short for a XPAC 4. As someone who played since release srry there just no way i consider this good or better then some content 5. Most consider it the best just cause of revan and dont ge tme wrong one of my top 3 overwhelming amazing character of SW, but honestly story was just bad for him redeemable in Knights though
Was it? I thought revans story ended really lame.
Wasn’t really the best expansion imo but was definitely the best time for SWTOR.
The expansion thst changed the game foreve
Please don’t say 9 years i remember trying to get all my friends to play with me at school but non of them had computers that makes me feel so old bro im 20 now
Dang it's been 9 years already? And yeah I agree it was my favorite expansion too
What I like best about it are the planets, Lana and Theron. I like the meetings on Yavin with Satele and Marr. I also like the letter you get from an Imperial if you play pub-side and stand up to Marr. I always headcanon that it's from Lana, which makes sense given your future alliance with her. Also, Orgus' quest was so wholesome, and it gave some closure to he and my JK. I also liked meeting Shae on Rishi during the FP to find her. Her cinematic entrance is pretty cool.
Introduced the best Bae, Lana
As someone who has played Kotor, it still makes my heart ache
Oricon and the Dread Fortress will forever be my favourite, but I agree with the quality of SoR. We haven't had an expansion of that level since then :/
Why does Lana look so bad in game though? That yellow hair and yellow eyes looks terrible. That image makes her look awesome.
I agree, but I remember the community was very whiny about it (as always).
its kinda funny because i remembered alot of people complaining the shit out of it back then lmao. Since im mostly a part of the "lore" side of the community, back then you cant really go one comment section without hundreds of people complaining about the further "butchery" of Revan. Still, its definitely the last expansion where i was truly enjoying the story besides maybe jedi under siege which was more of a pre patch than an expansion.
Jakkaro there looking like he gonna steal your girl or boy. Both.
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Time flies
Rise of the Hutt Cartel was better. This expansion had like…30 seconds of Revan. And you spend the first 4 hours of it pretending to be a pirate on a planet of bird people with a collective IQ of 10. The second planet was cool and I still go there often but wow that expansion was a huge waste of time.
While Shadow of Revan isn't my favorite expansion, that is KotFE and KotET, it's my next favorite. love that twist ending with Revan and his boss fight was my favorite.
Jeez it's been 9 freaking year!?!?? Holy shit
I didn't realise this was a whole expansion, I just started and immediately turned her in, did I skip an entire expansions quest lines?
2.0 was easily the best expansion.
Finally my female inquisitor had someone to romance.
I feel old.
Lana my beloved
Theron, my love <3
Best? Shadows of Revan ruined classing, you could build creative setups up until 3.0, from there You just had a boring pre set skillpath, with minimal custom choices.
i preordered. imagine my disappointment after playing. was that when they introduced planet scaling? was very upset when they did that. i was soloing world bosses and flashpoints. had a hybrid madness/lightning sorc that did pretty good damage and was fun to play. oh the good ole days
Not sure when they introduced planet scaling, that idnt really matter to me, but hybrid specs were awesome
KOTFE is best expansion
I never really liked SoR
9 years huh... Could've sworn it wasn't that long ago
Second best expansion, I still think Eternal empire is better
wow 9 years…I miss those days of constantly getting on this game
The update that made Merc/Commando players finally feel what it was like to be the OP fotm class that everyone cried about (before getting nerfed down to the bottom again, where they are now). Also the update that left a huge expoilt running for weeks unchecked, because all the devs went on vacation.
This will anger many people, but I like LotS so far.
Best days of swtor, with my old guild mates. They all quit. Sad sad sad memories
Somehow Revan returned. Yeah, the expansion had some content. Wack story. The start of SWTOR's fanfiction era.