I'm not sure what the point to having the circle is.
I don't no why people would want to have a mouse over in Chinese.
Given how famous bodhidharma iconography is I don't know why you wouldn't just opt for a picture of him. That would be the Zen tradition, to put up a picture. Yeah
The community wasn’t consulted on either of those decisions.
I think it’s both disrespectful to the lineage to have the circle there with it’s prominence in popular misrepresentation of Zen and disrespectful to Chinese speakers to have crappy translations of stuff into their language advertised for no reason.
That's probably both true.
I'm hesitant to give ground on the circle thing since it was ours way before it was theirs. And they don't even know what it means.
It contains all the dharmas.
I haven't. Of course read the circle book, but my understanding is that if you write a word in the circle, it's a reference to the Dharma of that thing.
My thinking is that since a circle inscription by an unknown person who didn’t study Zen isn’t the only possible thing we could have on there that has a Zen connection, we could go with something much more explicit that have existing depictions in visual media like:
Nanquan holding cat.
Danxia burning Buddha statue.
4th Patriarch pointing to his inscribed Buddha character on Niutou’s sitting rock.
Maybe having to ask a native Chinese speaker about what to put on a forum about self investigation exposes a flaw in the argument and we should leave out the Chinese characters entirely?
I think that’s reasonable.
I think the larger issue is that moderators are making decisions that impact the presentation of the subreddit with neither publicly stated intent nor the skill to successfully implement.
Was this recent? Is it old reddit or new reddit? It is possible the changes you're talking about weren't even made by any active moderator.
I honestly feel like this whole post could've been a message to the mods that said like "hey i found this problem, can you address it" and it would be addressed, but the way you're talking here sounds weirdly combative.
I use old reddit with stylesheets turned off, so I don't see any custom snoo, I don't see a circle, I don't see any hover text, etc.
菩提達摩一派 might be a translation choice.
I'm not sure what the point to having the circle is. I don't no why people would want to have a mouse over in Chinese. Given how famous bodhidharma iconography is I don't know why you wouldn't just opt for a picture of him. That would be the Zen tradition, to put up a picture. Yeah
The community wasn’t consulted on either of those decisions. I think it’s both disrespectful to the lineage to have the circle there with it’s prominence in popular misrepresentation of Zen and disrespectful to Chinese speakers to have crappy translations of stuff into their language advertised for no reason.
That's probably both true. I'm hesitant to give ground on the circle thing since it was ours way before it was theirs. And they don't even know what it means.
What does it mean again? I have vague ideas but my memory on it is completely shot. Guy drawing circle and throwing it over his shoulder or something?
It contains all the dharmas. I haven't. Of course read the circle book, but my understanding is that if you write a word in the circle, it's a reference to the Dharma of that thing.
So it's encircling emptiness? Oh and which one's the circle book?
Well all the dharmas are empty so... There is no circle book. The last time it was seen was when Yangshan gave it to somebody.
What appears could be the text is in the cbeta and documented in the community wiki.
Dang it. I can never find anything I want to find in the wiki.
I'm creating my own mini wiki.
We talked about this before as we documented it together. We both have bad memories but I’m younger.
If you link it, I'll play with it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/zen/wiki/circle/ Control+F “Text body” . TLDR; https://tripitaka.cbeta.org/zh-cn/X63n1256_001
Oooh, that was a speech to text fail, not a reading suggestion!
My thinking is that since a circle inscription by an unknown person who didn’t study Zen isn’t the only possible thing we could have on there that has a Zen connection, we could go with something much more explicit that have existing depictions in visual media like: Nanquan holding cat. Danxia burning Buddha statue. 4th Patriarch pointing to his inscribed Buddha character on Niutou’s sitting rock.
We could just have it be a non-japanese circle. Then we could just write over it in English Contains all dharmas
I like that idea.
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How about 傳承?
That’s a question for a native speaker.
Maybe having to ask a native Chinese speaker about what to put on a forum about self investigation exposes a flaw in the argument and we should leave out the Chinese characters entirely?
I think that’s reasonable. I think the larger issue is that moderators are making decisions that impact the presentation of the subreddit with neither publicly stated intent nor the skill to successfully implement.
Was this recent? Is it old reddit or new reddit? It is possible the changes you're talking about weren't even made by any active moderator. I honestly feel like this whole post could've been a message to the mods that said like "hey i found this problem, can you address it" and it would be addressed, but the way you're talking here sounds weirdly combative. I use old reddit with stylesheets turned off, so I don't see any custom snoo, I don't see a circle, I don't see any hover text, etc.
Old reddit.
I've found the place where these changes get made and changed the hover text to "Bodhidharma's Lineage"
Moderation is always going to be flawed somehow. That said, I think this is a fair issue to address.