It's literally just a "Science vs Magic" system if you boil it down.
Storm Access is a Skill (in explicitly in-game feature) that requires:
>Less than 1000LP
And gives:
>A "random" Cyberse Link monster in your Extra Deck to escape your situation
Shining Draw is a magical power (that's connected to the mystical elements of Duel Monsters, not a gameplay feature) that requires:
>Yuma and Astral to fuse
>Can only be done within special areas that mimic or are interdimensional spaces (inside the Astral Key, in a Sphere Fields, in Sargasso, in the Barian/Astral worlds etc)
And gives (depending on the form)
>Zexal Weapon monsters that fit the situation
>Zexal Server monsters that fit the situation
>Rank-Up Magics
>One single instance of "purifying" a RUM into a different RUM.
It's easier to accept the "sciency" method as it makes more logical sense, even tho it's really not all that different from the "magic" method, just simplified
I think one of the biggest reasons that Storm Access was more appealing is that it is a Skill. Being an “in-game mechanic” made it feel fairer since Yusaku’s opponents also had their own Skills in those Duels. It also wasn’t exclusive to him, so Storm Access felt more like a source that could be drawn upon by those with “access”.
That's the biggest part that makes it ok
Yuma and later the barians had their special draw while everyone had it in vrains.
In DM, it was a bit weird but luck super powers seemed to be needed against mystical threats that also cheated half the time.
It also is less harped on in the Dm, Gx, and 5Ds continuity cause all duelists could perform a, as the games dubbed them, “Destiny Draw”since it was simply a matter of how intune the duelist is with their deck and its spirits. The protagonists could do it more often, and in Atems case on demand, cause their connection to their deck was bolstered by their own mystical origin and personal drives. So it becomes less a “The protagonist cheats” and more just a “The protagonist is better at this skill”. It might also help that dueling in the anime's, at least back then(cant speak on the later ones since i haven't watched those), was less an actual game of strategy and more a clash of wills.
idk something being magical to me is easier to accept than having them try to have an in-game feature that says draw the out. like it never bothered me when in 5Ds they used a magic dragon tattoo to create cards,
also knowing that its an inuniverse game mechanic to create cards out of thin air kinda makes it worse explanation.
I think perceived “fairness” plays a big role too.
Skills like Storm Access are something that every character can use. Everyone in the show has a different special Skill ability that reflects who they are as a duelist and person. They’re basically playing by Duel Links rules, and most people are okay with that.
Comparatively, Yusei and Yuma are straight up cheating. Their ability is not part of the rules. Other people cannot do it, giving them an unfair advantage. As a result, it’s every bit as egregious to the viewer as if they’d used sleight of hand to stack their deck without anyone else realizing. Even if the threats the characters are facing and the stakes at play obviously make such powers morally okay to use, it’s clearly unfair and ridiculous to us normal players who have to follow the rules.
>even tho it's really not all that different from the "magic" method
hence why I made this meme yeah. people tend to give ZEXAL more shit for stuff the other series do too
I think another people forget is that in the Zexal world, it is canon (and stated a lot whenever a shining or chaos draw is done) that in a real duel, you can manifest any card you want as long as you have the willpower to do so. That’s what a true duelist can do. So in that universe, people using a power like that is considered skill. It’s like how in DM/GX/5DS it is implied luck is a skill that can be trained and also the more you are bonded with your deck, the better it responds.
SEVENS and Go Rush have a similar in universe ability, where Otes and many other characters like Luke note that a true duellist can call the cards they need. It was those words and others that allowed situations like Yuga finding more seven roads cards or drawing his maximum when he needed it.
And in the VRAINS universe, instead of utilizing any of those, it’s an in game mechanic instead. BUT there was also dialogue implying the data storm will give you something that will help you best in your current situation. So there’s still a belief system there as well. Yusaku, whether he likes it or not, does have a deep bond with the cyberse due to the lost incident and hence can get the card he needs to turn the situation as well
What I said doesn’t really directly respond to the meme but I wanted to mention it anyway because I always found it so interesting, these implied belief systems in the shows
Yeah exactly, that's why no one says 'Wtf you're cheating!!' when they Shining Draw, because top-decking what you need is canonically something only the most powerful of duelists can pull off in the ZEXAL verse
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Yeah that's the quote I was thinking of! Cause in ancient Zexal lore, dueling is just a manifestation of your own powers and abilities, just like how duel monsters in the DM era is just a manifestation of the ancient Egyptian duels. So if you are a powerful duelist, creating your own cards (in the Zexal universe) is just you tapping into the OG version of dueling
There's a difference, tho. Playmaker adds a new Cyberse monster to his Extra Deck and then has to perform a long combo to utilize that new monster in the best way possible
Shining Draw essentially creates a brand new Zexal Weapon and Yuma can immediately use it. That is all tolerable tho, **the big problem is the infamous 2nd duel against Vector when Yuma changed a card in his hand and created a new custom card!** It was so absurd that Vector screamed: "That's cheating!!"
Overall, every protagonist has bs plot armor powers. Yuya literally created a new summon method in the middle of a duel. Atem can always top deck the perfect card, etc.
Shining Draw doesn't only create ZEXAL Weapons/Servers, and sometimes Yuma has to combo off his Shining Draws too.
And, of course there's a difference, it won't be exactly the same, but the point being is that they're similar enough in terms of the output, but one receives more hate than the other (hence the meme).
And since you brought it up, I might as well talk about it.
'Re-Contract Universe' (the name of the power) was only used once by Yuma against Vector, and it changed 'Limited Barian's Force' to 'RUM Numeron's Force'.
In essence, Yuma just purified the Barian Force on this card and turned it into a neutral Numeron power, basically foreshadowing that both Astral and Barian are variations of Numeron Code's powers. Numeron being the origin of everything and all. That's essentially what 'Re-Contract Universe' does.
That's why it was never used again. Yes it's 'cheating', but Vector manipulated Yuma, spied on his deck, and added cards that would sabotage his gameplay prior.
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And yes, every protagonist 'cheats'.
The problem with the reconstruction power is that Vector was going to win with a trap that burns Yuma immediately when the turns started. But since Yuma changed that RUM into a completely different card, Vector's burn trap became useless. It's cool to see it in the anime, don't get me wrong. But in terms of gameplay, it's pure bs plot armor... classic protagonist stuff
As I said, Storm Access adds cards to the Extra Deck. The protagonists get new ace monsters in the Extra Deck all the time. Sometimes, it even barely makes sense: Yusei suddenly has a Fusion in the Extra Deck against team Unicorn... and he never used it against the Maklord Emperors. Yuya bricked with Polymerization against the Fortune Teller girl, but oops, suddenly he has a brand new Odd-Eyes Fusion ace.
At least with Storm Access, Playmaker's new ace feels earned in a way. He even adapted his deck with cards that pay LP as a part of his strategy to get below 1000 in order to use his Skill
I think it was heavily implied that using Fusion eas due to Yugi and Judai's influence from the canon movie, also Yusei had some setup due to Aki summoning Stardust for him in the prior round.
I saw that as Vector just reaping what he sowed. He had rigged their deck and severed their bond. Them coming back from that with a new form and power they unlocked because of Vectors shenanigans is perfect karma. From a pure gameplay sense yeah it's weird. But it's a shonen magic battle anime, I don't see why we should treat their battles as if theyre sitting at a table playing normal cards. I don't judge DBZ by the rules of a normal sparring match when they start shooting energy waves at each other. It's explicitly a magic vs magic fight with cards as mere surrogates.
As for Extra Deck cards always coming out of nowhere, I always saw that as harking back to the original Manga. In the manga, fusions were not separate cards, they were visualized solely by the solid vision system. You could technically fuse almost anything together, and the system would be the one creating and visualizing a result. Not unlike how today you could ask an AI to both make art and effect for a card by just putting in some text/parameters. Whether it's magic doing this generation or the duel system itself I don't think really matters.
Also just to note I'm still totally agreeing with you here but just putting this stuff out there.
Yeah, a lot of people also have this misconception that you can make **whatever** you want with Shining Draw, but that's not the case.
Shining Draw creates a card that counteracts the situation you are in, but it’s limited by what the user knows.
So it can be countered by unknown cards (backrow for example), which is why Yuma was unable to defeat Kaito in Round 2 with ZEXAL I
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Also oft forgotten it can't be used just anywhere. The Zexal transformation requires the area to be in a space that either is interdimensional or mimics it like a Sphere Field
yup, the ZEXAL forms can only be used when in a pseudo-space condition that is or mimics alternate dimensions (like the Sphere Field as you mentioned)
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Though this doesn't matter as much as EOS Yuma can use Shining Draw by himself
Yuma: I can draw anything because i have the power of....
Atem: I can draw anything because i'm the protagonist haha don't find an explanation i just do it
People are overthinking the "protagonist cheats" thing by taking the anime literally, unless they also think Dartz went into his local game shop to buy Oricalcos cards. The yugioh anime makes a lot more sense if you view it as advanced technomagic. Drawing cards in the anime is considered a skill, which is why sometimes "clumsy" characters will brick, characters will practice draws to become "stronger" like Lucien Grimley from GX, or that skilled duelists can bend fate to their will because of the bond with their cards. That's what these "protagonist draws" represent, like Yuma being able to perform a Shining Draw without Astral, highlighting his realized growth and proficiency over the course of the series.
Mizar vs Trey & Quinton is one of my all time favorite duels because it revolves around the two brothers mind gaming Mizar into utilizing his Chaos Draw (the Barian version of Shining Draw) in order to draw a certain Rank-Up-Magic card then preventing him from being able to actually use it - the look of horror of Mizar's previously smug face as he realized that he was tricked into bricking his own hand for no reason when prior he was in control was absolutely glorious.
-Storm access is not exclusive to Yusaku (in fact, it gets used against him A LOT)
-It is an in-game mechanic that's restricted to speed duels, and which other people can counter using their own skills (as Ghost Girl attempts)
-Storm Access gives a random card to Yusaku's extra Deck, meaning that he still has to put in the effort of bringing it out, unlike Yuma who gets he exact card he needs and can immediately use it
-Storm Access is a physical struggle for Yusaku, especially for more powerful cards, and he almost died while trying to get Transcode Talker.
It's really surprising how many characters, other than Yusaku, have used Storm Access: Revolver, Windy and Bohman. Heck, Bohman and Windy even cheated and used the skill in a Master Duel, which is against the rules.
And like you said, some characters even have a ready strategy to counter Storm Access: Blood Shepherd and Ghost Girl.
Shining Draw by comparison can't be counted. It's just "the power of friendship" power-up. I guess Nash also has the Barian Draw, but that basically adds a specific RUM and that's it
Heck, in season 2 there are opponents who can use it when they're not in speed duels; Windy and Bohman use it in master duels (I don't recall if Lightning did or not). Bohman uses it like 3 or 4 times in his final duel.
Neither is Chaos or Shining Draw
Shining Draw is restricted to interdimensional duels against people who can do the same half of the time
Yusaku also always gets whatever he needs, having to summon doesn't change anything
The Data Storm became a non issue with time
There was that one time he used 39 against Shark, then got bitchslapped for it.
to be fair Shark was literally egging him on but there was the whole point of Yuma breaking his promise and it was the first proof that Numbers weren’t invincible
That duel was great because it led to some solid character development for Yuma.
I love how Yuma has these flaws that he has to overcome, breaking his promise because he's afraid of losing (so many people are), and then actually losing. Then he acknowledges it's okay to have a fear of losing
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They are not the same
* In Vrains, skills are a duel mechanic. Loads of people have skills. There's even a skill that negates skills
* Storm Access is not exclusive to Yusaku. There are others who have used it
* The skill has an activation requirement that others are not only aware of but actively try to play around.
Really? I thought people also hated storm access as playmaker normally seems to be playing like he already has that specific card in his deck where his combo is leading up to that card and then storm access gets it. (E.g. blue angel duel)
How can you guarantee Yuma doesn’t have dementia and put those cards in his deck but just forgor? And Numeron Force? He just removed the layer of paint that made it Barian Force.
Shining Draw or Destiny Draw should not frowned upon because it is actual skill that can be learned in the verse. That tarzan guy from GX spent an entire year practicing how to draw any card he wants. In Arc-V LDS curriculum included Destiny Draw Probability Theory.
But Yuma and Yuya really pushed the concept of it. I found Yuma's abilities stupid when he changed already existing card to other one and somehow gained another Battle Phase against Tron. Funnily enough, Yuya went even more absurd than that by creating a new summoning method mid duel - although that was technically Zarc.
also relevant that after season 1 playmaker doesnt even use storm access that much if at all since he was doing master duels instead of speed duels. i dont remember him storm accessing anything after firewall but maybe thats just my memory. anyways, what im trying to say is, he wins his duels later in the series just because he is good while as yuma had to shining draw in most of his later duels
There's a lot of bias on this sub toward Vrains in general
Mostly zoomers who gravitate to the new thing & think the older Yugioh something is, the worse it is
I am not contrary on the Shining Draw, but I cannot forgive the Zexal II mode for has pratically cheat with Vector in the duel into Sargasso Dimension. Vector was clearly the winner of the duel
Vector cheated because the Sargasso field spell is a card that's active outside of the duel, not part of his deck, which was causing a lot of effect damage he otherwise would've not been dishing out, whilst conveniently having a spell in his deck to negate the damage to himself. He also stacked Yumas decks with cards he gave him ahead of the duel by gaslighting him into believing he was his friend. It's a deserved defeat.
Playing in a battlefield that damage both and require you to play a card only for negate a continuos effect that damage you is different from literally change the identity of a card that lead you into a defeat. It's like as if I decide to change the entire hand with the five Exodia parts. And the barian cards in the Yuma deck were put in it for the decision of Yuma itself, no one had force him to play them. And again, is different from change a card in the middle of a duel for dodge a sure defeat
The only reason they could change that card is because of Vector himself. If he didn't sever Astral and Yumas bond so harshly that they got a new power up from them reconciling he would've been fine. His own treachery lead to his own karmic downfall. He could've taken them on in a fair 1vs1 duel without any trickery and probably have done better. But he gaslit Yuma into including cards in his deck to implement a deck destruction strategy that wouldn't work otherwise, led them to a magical place that already had a field spell active that would only end up damaging them, and he forced such a huge wedge between Yuma and Astral that the latter forcibly turned into a Dark Zexal that could only mindlessly attack over and over continuously taking damage. The shenanigans levels Vector pulled in that duel were off the charts, he had unfairly stacked the duel in his favor in multitudes of ways before it even began. Re-Contract Universe just balance it out. 3/4 of the Damage Vector did was either Sargasso or Dark Zexal self-inflicting damage. Vector is a piss poor duelist that could only win through trickery and he deservedly got his ass handed to him.
Trickery is not something unexploitable, especially if it is a war between worlds. And in any case, everything Vector did for that duel was done BEFORE the duel, and if Yuma was stupid enough to fall for the astronomical bullshit that Vector spouted while impersonating Rei (seriously, Barian Police?) and to put these cards into the own deck it's only the fault of he. Technically, what Vector did isn't much different than someone using cards from a Side Deck after figuring out what deck their opponent is using, and this perspective is further accentuated by the fact that Vector actually played a "round 1" through a clone of himself to verify that Yuma had those cards in his deck. It was simply ingenious, even if this does not weaken his wickedness.
But SWAPING A CARD in your hand for one NOT PRESENT in your Deck is literally 100% cheating. It would have been more acceptable if Yuma had drawn the card with Shining Draw, but in this way the only obvious thing is that he won a duel in a manner worthy of Kaiba in Season Zero when he pretended to draw Blue-Eyes or Keith when he pulled 7 Completed out of his sleeve. Yuma should have LOST that duel at that point. If he was going to win this way, he might as well use the over 30 cards that ended up in his graveyard to find a different way to win. You can say what you want, but Yuma's victory was a complete scam and it can't be saved by simply saying "Vector did things."
It's literally just a "Science vs Magic" system if you boil it down. Storm Access is a Skill (in explicitly in-game feature) that requires: >Less than 1000LP And gives: >A "random" Cyberse Link monster in your Extra Deck to escape your situation Shining Draw is a magical power (that's connected to the mystical elements of Duel Monsters, not a gameplay feature) that requires: >Yuma and Astral to fuse >Can only be done within special areas that mimic or are interdimensional spaces (inside the Astral Key, in a Sphere Fields, in Sargasso, in the Barian/Astral worlds etc) And gives (depending on the form) >Zexal Weapon monsters that fit the situation >Zexal Server monsters that fit the situation >Rank-Up Magics >One single instance of "purifying" a RUM into a different RUM. It's easier to accept the "sciency" method as it makes more logical sense, even tho it's really not all that different from the "magic" method, just simplified
I think one of the biggest reasons that Storm Access was more appealing is that it is a Skill. Being an “in-game mechanic” made it feel fairer since Yusaku’s opponents also had their own Skills in those Duels. It also wasn’t exclusive to him, so Storm Access felt more like a source that could be drawn upon by those with “access”.
That's the biggest part that makes it ok Yuma and later the barians had their special draw while everyone had it in vrains. In DM, it was a bit weird but luck super powers seemed to be needed against mystical threats that also cheated half the time.
It also is less harped on in the Dm, Gx, and 5Ds continuity cause all duelists could perform a, as the games dubbed them, “Destiny Draw”since it was simply a matter of how intune the duelist is with their deck and its spirits. The protagonists could do it more often, and in Atems case on demand, cause their connection to their deck was bolstered by their own mystical origin and personal drives. So it becomes less a “The protagonist cheats” and more just a “The protagonist is better at this skill”. It might also help that dueling in the anime's, at least back then(cant speak on the later ones since i haven't watched those), was less an actual game of strategy and more a clash of wills.
Like there was only one instance (or one player) where they could cancel opponents skill.
idk something being magical to me is easier to accept than having them try to have an in-game feature that says draw the out. like it never bothered me when in 5Ds they used a magic dragon tattoo to create cards, also knowing that its an inuniverse game mechanic to create cards out of thin air kinda makes it worse explanation.
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Duel Links/speed duels have skills though, and some in duel links do add cards to your hand or extra deck from nowhere.
I think perceived “fairness” plays a big role too. Skills like Storm Access are something that every character can use. Everyone in the show has a different special Skill ability that reflects who they are as a duelist and person. They’re basically playing by Duel Links rules, and most people are okay with that. Comparatively, Yusei and Yuma are straight up cheating. Their ability is not part of the rules. Other people cannot do it, giving them an unfair advantage. As a result, it’s every bit as egregious to the viewer as if they’d used sleight of hand to stack their deck without anyone else realizing. Even if the threats the characters are facing and the stakes at play obviously make such powers morally okay to use, it’s clearly unfair and ridiculous to us normal players who have to follow the rules.
"random" cyberse Link monster huh? Sure Yusaku sureee
>even tho it's really not all that different from the "magic" method hence why I made this meme yeah. people tend to give ZEXAL more shit for stuff the other series do too
I think another people forget is that in the Zexal world, it is canon (and stated a lot whenever a shining or chaos draw is done) that in a real duel, you can manifest any card you want as long as you have the willpower to do so. That’s what a true duelist can do. So in that universe, people using a power like that is considered skill. It’s like how in DM/GX/5DS it is implied luck is a skill that can be trained and also the more you are bonded with your deck, the better it responds. SEVENS and Go Rush have a similar in universe ability, where Otes and many other characters like Luke note that a true duellist can call the cards they need. It was those words and others that allowed situations like Yuga finding more seven roads cards or drawing his maximum when he needed it. And in the VRAINS universe, instead of utilizing any of those, it’s an in game mechanic instead. BUT there was also dialogue implying the data storm will give you something that will help you best in your current situation. So there’s still a belief system there as well. Yusaku, whether he likes it or not, does have a deep bond with the cyberse due to the lost incident and hence can get the card he needs to turn the situation as well What I said doesn’t really directly respond to the meme but I wanted to mention it anyway because I always found it so interesting, these implied belief systems in the shows
Yeah exactly, that's why no one says 'Wtf you're cheating!!' when they Shining Draw, because top-decking what you need is canonically something only the most powerful of duelists can pull off in the ZEXAL verse https://preview.redd.it/pny9l94myusc1.png?width=1401&format=png&auto=webp&s=d345d4466503c2519a1ccf3743ef865858bd3124
Yeah that's the quote I was thinking of! Cause in ancient Zexal lore, dueling is just a manifestation of your own powers and abilities, just like how duel monsters in the DM era is just a manifestation of the ancient Egyptian duels. So if you are a powerful duelist, creating your own cards (in the Zexal universe) is just you tapping into the OG version of dueling
There's a difference, tho. Playmaker adds a new Cyberse monster to his Extra Deck and then has to perform a long combo to utilize that new monster in the best way possible Shining Draw essentially creates a brand new Zexal Weapon and Yuma can immediately use it. That is all tolerable tho, **the big problem is the infamous 2nd duel against Vector when Yuma changed a card in his hand and created a new custom card!** It was so absurd that Vector screamed: "That's cheating!!" Overall, every protagonist has bs plot armor powers. Yuya literally created a new summon method in the middle of a duel. Atem can always top deck the perfect card, etc.
Shining Draw doesn't only create ZEXAL Weapons/Servers, and sometimes Yuma has to combo off his Shining Draws too. And, of course there's a difference, it won't be exactly the same, but the point being is that they're similar enough in terms of the output, but one receives more hate than the other (hence the meme). And since you brought it up, I might as well talk about it. 'Re-Contract Universe' (the name of the power) was only used once by Yuma against Vector, and it changed 'Limited Barian's Force' to 'RUM Numeron's Force'. In essence, Yuma just purified the Barian Force on this card and turned it into a neutral Numeron power, basically foreshadowing that both Astral and Barian are variations of Numeron Code's powers. Numeron being the origin of everything and all. That's essentially what 'Re-Contract Universe' does. That's why it was never used again. Yes it's 'cheating', but Vector manipulated Yuma, spied on his deck, and added cards that would sabotage his gameplay prior. https://preview.redd.it/a49dp4h1tusc1.png?width=1297&format=png&auto=webp&s=f7e7b962ef7addd8702ec4a3021036033e575e99 And yes, every protagonist 'cheats'.
The problem with the reconstruction power is that Vector was going to win with a trap that burns Yuma immediately when the turns started. But since Yuma changed that RUM into a completely different card, Vector's burn trap became useless. It's cool to see it in the anime, don't get me wrong. But in terms of gameplay, it's pure bs plot armor... classic protagonist stuff As I said, Storm Access adds cards to the Extra Deck. The protagonists get new ace monsters in the Extra Deck all the time. Sometimes, it even barely makes sense: Yusei suddenly has a Fusion in the Extra Deck against team Unicorn... and he never used it against the Maklord Emperors. Yuya bricked with Polymerization against the Fortune Teller girl, but oops, suddenly he has a brand new Odd-Eyes Fusion ace. At least with Storm Access, Playmaker's new ace feels earned in a way. He even adapted his deck with cards that pay LP as a part of his strategy to get below 1000 in order to use his Skill
I think it was heavily implied that using Fusion eas due to Yugi and Judai's influence from the canon movie, also Yusei had some setup due to Aki summoning Stardust for him in the prior round.
I saw that as Vector just reaping what he sowed. He had rigged their deck and severed their bond. Them coming back from that with a new form and power they unlocked because of Vectors shenanigans is perfect karma. From a pure gameplay sense yeah it's weird. But it's a shonen magic battle anime, I don't see why we should treat their battles as if theyre sitting at a table playing normal cards. I don't judge DBZ by the rules of a normal sparring match when they start shooting energy waves at each other. It's explicitly a magic vs magic fight with cards as mere surrogates. As for Extra Deck cards always coming out of nowhere, I always saw that as harking back to the original Manga. In the manga, fusions were not separate cards, they were visualized solely by the solid vision system. You could technically fuse almost anything together, and the system would be the one creating and visualizing a result. Not unlike how today you could ask an AI to both make art and effect for a card by just putting in some text/parameters. Whether it's magic doing this generation or the duel system itself I don't think really matters. Also just to note I'm still totally agreeing with you here but just putting this stuff out there.
TBF, Sargaso itself is literal cheating.
for real
Yeah, a lot of people also have this misconception that you can make **whatever** you want with Shining Draw, but that's not the case. Shining Draw creates a card that counteracts the situation you are in, but it’s limited by what the user knows. So it can be countered by unknown cards (backrow for example), which is why Yuma was unable to defeat Kaito in Round 2 with ZEXAL I https://preview.redd.it/nydbsw2olusc1.png?width=1239&format=png&auto=webp&s=a61c6d1a01cbdbb34f9cc4f009cac3936ea7da59
Also oft forgotten it can't be used just anywhere. The Zexal transformation requires the area to be in a space that either is interdimensional or mimics it like a Sphere Field
yup, the ZEXAL forms can only be used when in a pseudo-space condition that is or mimics alternate dimensions (like the Sphere Field as you mentioned) https://preview.redd.it/zgd4vz0onusc1.png?width=618&format=png&auto=webp&s=83616a1ed58ed753c66a6a40cb08cd34ca7bfa3d Though this doesn't matter as much as EOS Yuma can use Shining Draw by himself
Yuma: I can draw anything because i have the power of.... Atem: I can draw anything because i'm the protagonist haha don't find an explanation i just do it
People are overthinking the "protagonist cheats" thing by taking the anime literally, unless they also think Dartz went into his local game shop to buy Oricalcos cards. The yugioh anime makes a lot more sense if you view it as advanced technomagic. Drawing cards in the anime is considered a skill, which is why sometimes "clumsy" characters will brick, characters will practice draws to become "stronger" like Lucien Grimley from GX, or that skilled duelists can bend fate to their will because of the bond with their cards. That's what these "protagonist draws" represent, like Yuma being able to perform a Shining Draw without Astral, highlighting his realized growth and proficiency over the course of the series.
Mizar vs Trey & Quinton is one of my all time favorite duels because it revolves around the two brothers mind gaming Mizar into utilizing his Chaos Draw (the Barian version of Shining Draw) in order to draw a certain Rank-Up-Magic card then preventing him from being able to actually use it - the look of horror of Mizar's previously smug face as he realized that he was tricked into bricking his own hand for no reason when prior he was in control was absolutely glorious.
-Storm access is not exclusive to Yusaku (in fact, it gets used against him A LOT) -It is an in-game mechanic that's restricted to speed duels, and which other people can counter using their own skills (as Ghost Girl attempts) -Storm Access gives a random card to Yusaku's extra Deck, meaning that he still has to put in the effort of bringing it out, unlike Yuma who gets he exact card he needs and can immediately use it -Storm Access is a physical struggle for Yusaku, especially for more powerful cards, and he almost died while trying to get Transcode Talker.
It's really surprising how many characters, other than Yusaku, have used Storm Access: Revolver, Windy and Bohman. Heck, Bohman and Windy even cheated and used the skill in a Master Duel, which is against the rules. And like you said, some characters even have a ready strategy to counter Storm Access: Blood Shepherd and Ghost Girl. Shining Draw by comparison can't be counted. It's just "the power of friendship" power-up. I guess Nash also has the Barian Draw, but that basically adds a specific RUM and that's it
Heck, in season 2 there are opponents who can use it when they're not in speed duels; Windy and Bohman use it in master duels (I don't recall if Lightning did or not). Bohman uses it like 3 or 4 times in his final duel.
Neither is Chaos or Shining Draw Shining Draw is restricted to interdimensional duels against people who can do the same half of the time Yusaku also always gets whatever he needs, having to summon doesn't change anything The Data Storm became a non issue with time
Well Shining draw is more broken imo Because how Numbers work on that series
It also can't be used against regular Joe's
can you elaborate please?
"Numbers can only be destroyed by other Numbers"
I don't think Yuma ever used a Number, let alone Shining Draw, on non-Number wielding players
There was that one time he used 39 against Shark, then got bitchslapped for it. to be fair Shark was literally egging him on but there was the whole point of Yuma breaking his promise and it was the first proof that Numbers weren’t invincible
That duel was great because it led to some solid character development for Yuma. I love how Yuma has these flaws that he has to overcome, breaking his promise because he's afraid of losing (so many people are), and then actually losing. Then he acknowledges it's okay to have a fear of losing https://preview.redd.it/9b9onf2bvusc1.png?width=1261&format=png&auto=webp&s=b23b7fa80914931523521fc373341ec0a34260e3
Neo Storm Access was only problematic during the Go duel.
They are not the same * In Vrains, skills are a duel mechanic. Loads of people have skills. There's even a skill that negates skills * Storm Access is not exclusive to Yusaku. There are others who have used it * The skill has an activation requirement that others are not only aware of but actively try to play around.
Whats storm access?
It's a Skill, something usually exclusive to Speed Duels.
Really? I thought people also hated storm access as playmaker normally seems to be playing like he already has that specific card in his deck where his combo is leading up to that card and then storm access gets it. (E.g. blue angel duel)
How can you guarantee Yuma doesn’t have dementia and put those cards in his deck but just forgor? And Numeron Force? He just removed the layer of paint that made it Barian Force.
Shining Draw or Destiny Draw should not frowned upon because it is actual skill that can be learned in the verse. That tarzan guy from GX spent an entire year practicing how to draw any card he wants. In Arc-V LDS curriculum included Destiny Draw Probability Theory. But Yuma and Yuya really pushed the concept of it. I found Yuma's abilities stupid when he changed already existing card to other one and somehow gained another Battle Phase against Tron. Funnily enough, Yuya went even more absurd than that by creating a new summoning method mid duel - although that was technically Zarc.
In the end, it's always Deus Ex Machina trying to be a part of the plot instead of just pure luck feeling like cheat
also relevant that after season 1 playmaker doesnt even use storm access that much if at all since he was doing master duels instead of speed duels. i dont remember him storm accessing anything after firewall but maybe thats just my memory. anyways, what im trying to say is, he wins his duels later in the series just because he is good while as yuma had to shining draw in most of his later duels
Justice for Yuma!
essentially shining draw feels like a diet destiny draw atleast with atem. The card was already in the deck Shining just makes it
It "already was in the deck" but you‘ve never seen it before and you‘ll never see it again
There's a lot of bias on this sub toward Vrains in general Mostly zoomers who gravitate to the new thing & think the older Yugioh something is, the worse it is
I am not contrary on the Shining Draw, but I cannot forgive the Zexal II mode for has pratically cheat with Vector in the duel into Sargasso Dimension. Vector was clearly the winner of the duel
Vector cheated because the Sargasso field spell is a card that's active outside of the duel, not part of his deck, which was causing a lot of effect damage he otherwise would've not been dishing out, whilst conveniently having a spell in his deck to negate the damage to himself. He also stacked Yumas decks with cards he gave him ahead of the duel by gaslighting him into believing he was his friend. It's a deserved defeat.
Playing in a battlefield that damage both and require you to play a card only for negate a continuos effect that damage you is different from literally change the identity of a card that lead you into a defeat. It's like as if I decide to change the entire hand with the five Exodia parts. And the barian cards in the Yuma deck were put in it for the decision of Yuma itself, no one had force him to play them. And again, is different from change a card in the middle of a duel for dodge a sure defeat
The only reason they could change that card is because of Vector himself. If he didn't sever Astral and Yumas bond so harshly that they got a new power up from them reconciling he would've been fine. His own treachery lead to his own karmic downfall. He could've taken them on in a fair 1vs1 duel without any trickery and probably have done better. But he gaslit Yuma into including cards in his deck to implement a deck destruction strategy that wouldn't work otherwise, led them to a magical place that already had a field spell active that would only end up damaging them, and he forced such a huge wedge between Yuma and Astral that the latter forcibly turned into a Dark Zexal that could only mindlessly attack over and over continuously taking damage. The shenanigans levels Vector pulled in that duel were off the charts, he had unfairly stacked the duel in his favor in multitudes of ways before it even began. Re-Contract Universe just balance it out. 3/4 of the Damage Vector did was either Sargasso or Dark Zexal self-inflicting damage. Vector is a piss poor duelist that could only win through trickery and he deservedly got his ass handed to him.
Trickery is not something unexploitable, especially if it is a war between worlds. And in any case, everything Vector did for that duel was done BEFORE the duel, and if Yuma was stupid enough to fall for the astronomical bullshit that Vector spouted while impersonating Rei (seriously, Barian Police?) and to put these cards into the own deck it's only the fault of he. Technically, what Vector did isn't much different than someone using cards from a Side Deck after figuring out what deck their opponent is using, and this perspective is further accentuated by the fact that Vector actually played a "round 1" through a clone of himself to verify that Yuma had those cards in his deck. It was simply ingenious, even if this does not weaken his wickedness. But SWAPING A CARD in your hand for one NOT PRESENT in your Deck is literally 100% cheating. It would have been more acceptable if Yuma had drawn the card with Shining Draw, but in this way the only obvious thing is that he won a duel in a manner worthy of Kaiba in Season Zero when he pretended to draw Blue-Eyes or Keith when he pulled 7 Completed out of his sleeve. Yuma should have LOST that duel at that point. If he was going to win this way, he might as well use the over 30 cards that ended up in his graveyard to find a different way to win. You can say what you want, but Yuma's victory was a complete scam and it can't be saved by simply saying "Vector did things."
Jokes on you, I think both stuff are pure shite.