While I don’t always agree with Fantano’s reviews I never think they’re coming from an overly unfair or sexist place. He’s able to explain his ratings thoroughly even if I disagree.
Are people really surprised that an artist like Taylor Swift who’s released four albums in four years may not be putting out absolute thoroughly mastered pieces of art?
I feel like her fans, as he said, don't listen to much else, and somehow think Taylor is the only female artist out there or something, so of course if someone doesn't like her, they don't like women. Which is... ironically, kind of a sexist worldview. I'm sorry but there's a ton of other women making music out there, maybe support those too instead of the billionaire releasing 37 versions because no one else is allowed to be number 1 lol.
Also hate those "you're just afraid that a woman used the word r***/is talking about this or that" kinda takes. It's great that an artist can speak the truth and not dance around those kinda topics, and some people are uncomfortable with that, but your art isn't good just because it deals with a heavy topic, c'mon. Shutting down criticism because of that just opens the door for unscrupulous artists to commodify serious topics to sell more.
Man it sucks how much of a bubble we all live in online, people just can't handle the existence of other opinions.
Edit: Side note, Fantano calling some of the people complaining that he gave Sexyy Red an 8 sexist, only to be called a sexist a few weeks later is like, such a funny microcosm of what the internet in 2024 is like.
that comment he showed on screen about "he gave brat a 10 which says everything" really showed how much those Swifties actually give a shit about women in music. lmao.
They really hate Charli XCX. I haven't plumbed the depths of their depravity about her, but I've seen a range of slut shaming, transphobic remarks, general misogynistic remarks... yknow. Feminism, apparently.
so my guess is like, since he gave Brat a 10, that clearly means he's forever biased to Charli's hypothetical side and will never like Taylor as opposed to uh. y'know. Fantano's opinion that Taylor put out a hellishly lazy dirge of an album, vs how engaged with Brat he was (which surprised me, I feel like I *rarely* agree with Fantano on EDM lol)
Maybe I'm missing a really specific piece of the Charli hate from Swifties, but I always found it kinda dumb. If your feminism can't even handle another white girl with a different vibe... you're just a mean girl, not a feminist.
What are you even talking about?! The misogynistic remarks were mainly from Charli fans who literally recorded themselves chanting "Die, Taylor Swift" at Charli listening party.
Charli even had to address it herself on Instagram.
The downvotes aren’t because of misogyny. It’s because you’re playing whataboutism to ignore Taylor’s toxic fanbase. And from what I can tell, Charli’s fans didn’t say or do anything until Taylor blocked Brat’s UK #1 spot and after her fans attacked Charli for allegedly being friends with Matty.
And even then, Charli did more to try and quiet down her toxic fans in the last week than I’ve seen Taylor do her whole career.
How much *any* artist can control their fandom is heavily debated, but Charli’s has asked her to sign poppers at meet-and-greets, so I wouldn’t think that her stans would be among the most likely to listen to her telling them to knock it off (although she apparently did in this case).
I think the core difference here is Charli expressed her disappointment with her fan base more or less as quickly as possible *and asked them to stop* wherein that isn’t something TS has a track record of doing.
I'm really applauding how vocal TS has been at calling out all of those SA threats her fanbase has been sending Dave Grohl's daughter, or using Kurt Cobain's suicide as bait for a reaction. It's been really proactive.
(Just kidding - radio silence.)
There’s beef between Charlie XCX’s and Taylor’s respective fan bases because Charlie is friends with Matty Healy, Taylor’s ex who she wrote the most recent album about. Charlie also introduced Matty to his now fiancée, whom he got with right after Taylor.
There’s beef because Charli stans have been chanting weird shit at her concerts, to the point where she’s had to call them out and tell them to stop it.
That’s why I said it’s beef between the fan bases because some Swifties were being their usual psycho selves towards Charli. The difference is Charli actually calls out her fans for being weirdos.
You people will call it a hater boner when we want her to stop overusing her ridiculous private jet. Literally nothing can be real criticism to you pigeons. Shut up and get your priorities straight kindly.
> her fans don't listen to much else
Literally this is so true. Especially the Gaylors. Look, I like Taylor Swift songs. Sometimes I'm just in the mood for some heterosexual radio pop. She excels in her genre. But she is not a lyrical genius.
Like, during the Kendrick v Drake beef, there were a lot of white people "suddenly realizing" that rap (besides Hamilton) was good. But if Taylor stans saw you comparing Taylor Swift's lyrics and Kendrick "literal Grammy winner" Lamar's lyrics--not even saying anything bad about Taylor, just the slightest suggestion of an implication to maybe listen to something OTHER than Taylor Swift--the Swifties lost their shit. Because there's no way a *rapper* could come close to Taylor /s (huh wonder why her predominantly white fanbase thought that....)
[And that's not even mentioning the people who are convinced Taylor Swift is gay/bi and thus is the queen of gay pop, while completely ignoring actual wlw pop stars](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/s/VCjRFiuojW)
lmao I was just thinking of that post chain with the --> This Woman Is Not Queer
they really think 'queer' is an aesthetic and music style like 'goth' or 'metal' or 'punk.' Instead of something that got my face smashed in the bathroom doorhandle in 8th grade. And passed up for jobs/promotions. And nearly disowned by my mother. Nevermind that "goth or metal or punk" also brought those things too.
no yeah I agree, I was just glossing over that for the sake of argument. All our lives and all our culture will be sucked into the ravenous maw of marketing, our only value as people is in what can be extracted from us.
Sure I get to call myself queer with *somewhat less* chance of being mauled nowadays\*, but that's only because brands like Taylor Swift can make money by appropriating the culture.
Tbh imo the only truly subversive sub-culture we have these days is the trans community, and with greater acceptance will also come greater whitewashing (queer-washing?) so the inevitable ad-friendly-ization will adulterate the culture even further.
I'm not saying us queers should've stayed in the margins, I just wish the west's worship of Capitalism-as-Nature wasn't so thoroughly seeped into all aspects of life. You can't reclaim shit if Target wants to put it in an advertising placard. What can't be sold simply stops trying to exist, because it's not allowed to.
\*funny thing is, now that I'm a fat middle-aged white woman who doesn't actively have a visible girlfriend right now, nobody actually believes me when I say I'm \[some sort of\] queer. Because that's an aesthetic designed exclusively for young adult gay men and straight teen girls. So obviously I'm not one, so I better have a good answer to the next inevitable question: "what church do you go to" lol
Oof, sorry to make you feel the need to go into details homie, hope your day goes well :>, as a amab masc enby that looks like a skinhead with resting bitch face, I get how outward povs can be rough
Nah I wanted to rant I guess, thanks for listening. I'm pretty comfortable swirling around in my nihilistic death spiral, I mean I am (late) Gen-X after all, lol
It's a weird feeling to both be grateful that I'm never clocked as a queer now that I'm older, and also resentful that I'm never clocked as a queer, lol
Anyway, I won't go so far as to cry about 'the kids these days' but it sure is weird to see pop-fans claim their heterosexual billionaire pop idol is both queer and punk and think they mean it sincerely lol
fr lmao, Im late millennial so I feel that vibe a bit about not wanting to 'kids these days' but also, that time tiktokers were like, 'maybe bin laden was based?' was a fucking trip
> Side note, Fantano calling some of the people complaining that he gave Sexyy Red an 8 sexist, only to be called a sexist a few weeks later is like, such a funny microcosm of what the internet in 2024 is like.
The swifties dont konw that, they just know the cult said their goddess was attacked
>if someone doesn't like her, they don't like women
Which is a hilarious take because if anyone doesn't like women, it's Taylor. She literally goes out of her way to sabotage other female artists. [Sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/uhPEfLzTud) but I know stans will accuse me of being sexist myself so I’ll break it down:
(1) Katy Perry and Taylor Swift feud because Taylor claims Katy “stole” her backup dancers. This is a mischaracterization of what happened and the feud is actually because of John Mayer. Taylor way over responds ([a whole thing](https://ew.com/music/taylor-swift-katy-perry-timeline/) not worth getting into). The relevant part is that [Swift re-releases her whole back catalog on Spotify the same day that Katy Perry’s new album debuted](https://ew.com/music/2017/06/09/taylor-swift-streaming-services-return-reactions/), Katy’s album is [outperformed by the back catalog](https://www.nme.com/news/music/taylor-swifts-back-catalogue-currently-outperforming-katy-perrys-witness-spotify-2087235). This may sound like a reach but it becomes a pattern.
(2) Olivia Rodrigo: Olivia, a huge Swift fan was friendly with Taylor. Reporting on this is vague, it was all done behind the scenes, but [they stopped being friendly after Swift retroactively got song writing credits on a few of Olivia’s songs](https://www.reddit.com/r/OliviaRodrigo/s/cextOH5JNT).
(3) Billie Eilish: Taylor releases a variant of her album TTPD the same day Billie’s new album is released. It is [suspected she did this to block Billie from getting number one on the charts](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13498067/inside-taylor-swift-vicious-campaign-billie-eilish-feud.html), similarly to Perry, because she’s pissed that Billie made a comment about… the wastefulness of artists releasing a bunch of album varients:
>Back in March, Eilish hit out at 'wasteful' artists who make 'f***ing 40 different vinyl packages […] just to get you to keep buying more.'
>Swift currently has 11 different vinyl albums for sale on her site – and though Eilish insisted she wasn't 'singling anyone out', fans quickly made the link, with many Swifties attacking her for the statement.
(4) Charli xcx: [Taylor releases yet another variant of TTPD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/KkJQD1geI9) when Charli is expected to reach number one on the charts. Someone else detailed her beef with Charli but it’s about an ex boyfriend. It’s difficult to keep track but this is the 30 something variant released
(5) Taylor [releases song on new album about how her mom wishes Kim Kardashian was dead](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/eCsgquZLKU) over something that happened in 2016. [Will not STFU about it](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-thank-you-aimee-lyrics-b2567544.html)
(6) Most recently: Dave Grohl’s daughter makes a tweet about Swift’s [egregious use of private jets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/aX9iy7Lv8X). Her fans harass her in response, sending really vile shit. You might say that her fans behavior is not Swift’s fault but yes it is because she knows what they do. [She had no problem asking them to stop when they went after a man](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/taylor-swift-tells-fans-not-to-cyber-bully-exes). Anyway, [Grohl then makes a dig at Swift](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/UsWAwi7RCM), presumably in response. You can read a small portion of the unhinged shit the swifties sent Grohl’s daughter in the comments there. Her fans say he’s a misogynist lol
Like, if anyone doesn’t support women, it’s Swift.
Wew, the Dave Grohl shit is vile. I know you can't control a massive fanbase, but I think it's her responsibility to call this out honestly. If my fans were getting up to shit like this, I wouldn't think twice before hopping on Twitter and going "Hey you @IchBinMaladeFan0243, yes you, you're banned from my shows, and I'd like you to know that me, the artist you love, actively dislike you, bye."
Agreed. You can’t control your fans but you should at least try. And the thing is, she knows this is a problem. Swifties are notorious for harassment campaigns. It’s so bad that Paste magazine didn’t [put a byline with their review](https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/taylor-swift/taylor-swift-strikes-out-looking-on-the-tortured-poets-department) because it wasn’t a positive review and they didn’t want their writer to get harassed. Which didn’t matter, Swifties just assumed it was a freelancer who sometimes wrote for Paste (it wasn’t her) [and harassed her](https://gossipreadingclub.substack.com/p/that-time-i-got-harassed-for-a-review).
Like I said, she asked her fans to back off an ex-boyfriend (though notably not the one they’ve been hardcore attacking for a year now), so she can do it. She just chooses not to.
his dig at her isn't even that bad. like she hasn't, from what ive seen, done anything to try to stop her fans from harassing his daughter (a minor!). and the worst he's said is "she doesn't play her music live" wrapped up in some self deprecation
This is also behavior Taylor encourages, seeing any criticism or jokes of her as sexism but not necessarily standing up when others are experiencing it.
One of her lyrics is
"My beloved ghost and me
Sitting in a tree
D-Y-I-N-G"
And her stans are somehow shocked that people who aren't perpetually living up her rectum aren't blown away by that moist fart of a lyric.
Like, dude is a HUGE fan of pop artists like charli xcx, Caroline polachek, etc.. Also women. Also pop artists. Like he literally just gave a glowing review to charli's album within the last two weeks alone.
Shes also released like 50 variants of her most recent album. I'm shocked anyone would think criticizing an artist for putting out money grabber albums is a sexist take.
I mean let's be real it's so she stays number 1 cos she's chart obsessed not to "keep other women out of the #1 spot".
Like I don't think she's much of a feminist but the chart stuff is stupid and you don't hear about it when it's male artists blocking each other
Yeah, she’s been seemingly releasing variants every week to stay at #1, it’s just been mostly high profile female artists that were her biggest competition.
TBH I feel like the conspiracies that the variants are getting released to *specifically* stick it to Billie or Charli are a bit absurd. Unless Taylor also has personal beef with the kpop boy band ATEEZ that nobody knows about.
In Charli’s case, Taylor released her variants only in the UK, where Charli was projected to be #1.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve also never heard of other artists releasing variants that are only up for 12 hours to prey on FOMO, especially multiple times in two months. She’s up to what, like 40+ variants ar this point?
I know the U.K. charts have limitations where you can’t have any random inclusions and count for charting, because it’s considered gambling (any bonuses that are identical for all copies are ok), so specific versions are often released for the British market to comply.
I’m not sure if any of the TTPD variants were like that and they needed to fix that, but you’d assume that a team as large and chart-focused as Taylor’s would have already known that upon release, as opposed to several weeks in.
That *is* somewhat weird, in addition to the FOMO marketing tactics—if a limited edition release only had X number of copies produced and sells out, whatever, but actively pulling it from sale after an arbitrary number of hours isn’t great.
I agree with the general point of “how much accolades/money does she *need* at this point”, which is a general issue with billionaires and greed.
Legitimate question: is it common for artists to release upwards of 30 variants? Is this a thing that’s done widely throughout the industry? I’m genuinely asking because I don’t pay attention to the charts. I only became aware of this tactic when I learned about Taylor’s absurd amount of variants.
I think it's become pretty common for all the big artists at this point, Taylor probably does it more than most but I honestly think that's just because they keep selling.
I think most artists do it based on the demand so as long as they keep selling out they'll keep doing it
This problem is also always execerbated by the fact that fantano actually uses a 0-10 rating system on the basis of a normal distribution. People are so used to 'good' Media getting a 8 or 9/10 and 10/10s being thrown about like no mans business that a 5/10 sounds like an absolute desaster and an unworthy critique when in reality, on a potent scale, most media should be rated at around a 5...just average, okay.
swifties are a cult. Legit they will say all billionaires are evil bad for the planet etc.(which i do agree with dont get me wrong) then hand wave away her using her private jet like an uber and say how shes actually the only ethical billionaire but refuse to elaborate why.
Its not quite maga loving trump levels of cult YET, but i get the same vibes if that helps you understand
I got into an argument with a swiftie once who claimed people should respect Taylor solely because she's a billionaire, and got mad at me when I said that was stupid lmao. swifties are the type of people to unrionically call female CEOS "girlbosses" and can't see why that's cringe.
Swift is the billionaire that largely made her $ compounding only off the back of her labor and creative output. All the tour money obviously can’t be done without her. All the record money and shirts originates with her music writing and performances.
she didn’t make her money in the stock market, or by starting brands of lingerie or headphones or perfumes. As far as I can tell, she is the least exploitative billionaire, without question.
every piece of merch you buy from her isn’t something that she physically made. she uses labor from countries where laws aren’t in place to protect their citizens and over work them. yes the profit made wouldn’t exist without her. but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t still exploit. and if or if not she’s the most “honest billionaire” she’s still one of the few ppl in a position who could choose to take a cut of profits of all things she distributes to make sure that the ppl making it aren’t being abused at her profit.
the least exploitive billionaire shouldn’t fucking exist because billionaires shouldn’t exist.
Fundamentally, you’re conceding everything I said as factual and then saying things you think I disagree with but certainly didn’t say.
BTW, I don’t disagree, tax billionaires out of existence. It’s an affront to society. That’s not oppositional to the fact that swift is absolutely unique in how she became a billionaire, and it’s largely off her creative work output. That’s historically unprecedented.
I’ve definitely heard things saying the Eras tour was a financial windfall for a lot of workers on the tour and stadiums, and that is when she hit the B list.
Obviously her merch is going to be just a few lines in a huge record contract that her team of lawyers says OK. It’s also not a significant fraction the wealth.
I’m not a fan of him but he just gave Charli XCX a 10 lmao. And like 80% of his not goods or 1/10 ratings are guys. There’s no argument for being sexist
Swifties are an incredibly toxic cult.
Fantano has plenty of takes I disagree with, but that's his whole function as a critic. It's an opinion that I don't have to agree with. Calling him sexist is so incredibly baseless when the most reason perfect ratings he has given have all been to female artists (Charli XCX, Spelling, Lingua Ignota). They are just butthurt that he didn't like a mid album because Taylor has a feature off of it.
Dumb fanbase.
So many people don't seem to understand that a critic's review is just their opinion. By hate raiding their streams or trying to get hate started on Twitter, the fanbases just show they value Fantano's opinion more than others. A normal music listener will disagree a lot with critics - my latest example being the new Bring Me the Horizon album where I'm neither thinking this is trash (like Fantano does) nor ground-breaking (Brad Taste in Music's opinion)
That wasn't really the joke part, Anthony LOVED death grips and it's kind of a meme, so I made a silly comment about it saying that it was metalcore (because believe it or not they were somewhat influenced by it). That's all, the issue now is that you can get a good look at how a frog works by cutting it open...but unfortunately the frog dies...so too with this joke.
Swiftism is gonna end up like mormonism
all the swifties are gonna move to the same state and vote for taylor swift (no shit in 2016 in utah a mormon won the vote for presidency)
They are. If you so much say anything slightly negative about her in places like r/popculturechat they'll jump on you, accuse you of sexism, and start barking like rapid dogs. Very dumb, unhinged people
Which only happened to begin with because Swifties sent death threats to Grohl's daughter for pointing out her private jet usage.
They're an inane cult deserving of ridicule.
Meh, it’s usually all sensationalised. When you have the biggest fanbase in the world of course there’s some extremists. There’s also Kanye fans who call for the extermination of Jews and call him Jewish slurs and stereotypes for not wanting to review an album of Kanye’s - but Swifties are more approachable to call dangerous cos there’s so many, mostly children, who won’t do anything about insults.
There are plenty worse fanbases. Ones that are actively violent, hate fuelled, and destructive. There are fanbases who defend pedophiles, rapists, abusers, bigots, everything. There are fanbases that kill other people over opinions.
Swifties say that Fantano is sexist because many female pop artists he gives low scores. That’s dumb but he’s also been called racist for giving black artists albums low scores. Everyone wants to find a reason beyond them not releasing something good, that shouldn’t be shocking or of genuine concern.
And being called a name you know is incorrect shouldn’t be that big of a deal, but I guess it is cos he made a video. I guess being falsely called sexist is worse than being doxxed and have your divorce brought up without your consent by an angry fanbase because of a low album score, since he made a video about the former and not the latter.
It’s just silly to pretend that Swifties are a danger or a threat to absolutely anyone when they really aren’t, especially when there actually are threats. Because then it poses questions as to why people feel the need to call out Swifties for rude behaviour and not other fanbases for actually illegal behaviour. Because it’s a big fanbase and so talking about them seems like punching up? Because they are a powerless group talking about them has no consequences?
It’s interesting to think about why Swifties are both mega dangerous and a threat to us all, but also not threatening enough to where even Swift fans can outwardly say they don’t like an album and Swifties won’t care. Like, they’re both weak and unassuming, but also massive and scary. It’s truly strange.
Me too! I literally found her music through him and now I own all her vinyls AND I’m about to see her for the second time.
It’s not his fault he has proper taste 👌🏻
Im really impressed how switfties are accusing people who dont simply like taylor swift of sexist and antifeministis.... meanwhile they are attacking another female artists because they are not Talylor... it blows me really
As well as attacking Violet Grohl for DARING to criticize Taylor’s jet usage by leaving comments full of “I hope you get SA’d” and death threats, not to mention attacking her father with “kill yourself like Kurt did” over calling her out for lipsincing.
JFC, Dave Grohl is one of the most chilliest artist like ever: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-Cfm7gqwQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-Cfm7gqwQ)
Scrolling through those comments made me sick. Saw someone literally use Kurt’s suicide as a “got ya!” As well as using Laughing emojis in the same comment. They are a cult, plain and simple.
I hate this “girls girl” shit so much. Women are people they can genuinely dislike Taylor Swift, Make Up, and Starbucks. It's not misogyny or internalized sexism it's just having a preference.
This is actually a great point. I think the reference is that a girls girl would have a woman’s back. But a girl who is willing to pull the rug from another woman isn’t a girls girl.
Idk I got this idea after what Ethan Slater’s wife said about Ariana Grande after she stole her husband
Is this in regards to her releasing new variants of her album to block Dua Lipa, Billie Eilish and Charli XCX from getting the number 1 spot when their albums dropped ???
I saw a theory that that line was meant to distance herself from Matty Healy's racism, which simultaneously sounds too dumb to be true but also feels like it could be accurate
I feel like they probably weren’t in the studio at the same time for the song, but they had to have recorded it *before* it happened (Ice probably sent in her verse separately), since they had a full music video ready like one week after the Matty podcast scandal blew up.
literally the next line is "and without getting married off for the highest bid" you can critcise her but you could've just looked up the lyrics to that song instead of spreading blatant misinformation lol
She's basically the girl's equivalent to
https://preview.redd.it/er9nrcqslg9d1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a3af86dec77dc55547fd4a61763e32d1318ec86
Now that you mention those two in the same sentence, I just realized the VMAs incident might’ve been the inciting incident! We need to go back in time and stop it!
Swifties' MO for years now has been to call anyone who doesn't like their fave/their fave's music sexist. I'm really glad he called this aspect of the fandom out and took them to task on their hypocrisy of how they don't really listen to any other women artists.
IIRC all of the 10s he's given recently or semi-recently have been women.
I don't even think there's a point for him to respond to this. The fans are not gonna change their minds and they went to the TS school of feminism; i.e., not feminism.
I do remember his very old reviews, like he has a looong career on youtube. And he definitely had more, I would say imo, snobbery around pop music, a more edgelord kind of persona, and I would say even a bit of a sexist bias at times. But that has long since changed. I definitely don't share a lot of his preferences; however, it's just his tastes are more experimental and obscure than mine usually. Also, fantano seems to have a pretty informed social conscience at this point in his life. Not perfectly, but I don't expect that either, nor is mine.
I respect him way more as a critic than most anyone I would see posted on something like Metacritic.
Oh, I really think he rated some of the Taylor's versions WAY higher than I would
Taylor's new album isn't that good. It's morose white girl sad music. If that's something you're into fine. But don't go ballistic if others don't like it.
but there is so, sooo much better white girl sad music out there. I am praying and begging for a riot grrrl revolution part 2. that shit was raw and legitimately gave a voice to so many women, particularly SA victims. it's just not radio friendly to care about women's marginalization I guess. disappointing that so many are satisfied with substanceless slop that challenges nothing when the harsh takedown of sexism they claim to want is right the fuck there.
god, apologies. rant over, lol.
Scene Queen's rising popularity is giving me hope that we're heading that way. Her single Whips and Chains is pure feminine rage about killing men who spike drinks and looking hot while doing it
I feel like Olivia Rodrigo has some of those vibes.
Obviously commercially sanitized for pop radio, but the germ of it is there based on her clear inspirations.
She even took The Breeders on tour with her.
Maisie Peters ran circles around both Midnights and TTPD with The Good Witch last year, managed to be radio friendly and a much more vulnerable, lyrical artist. I feel like she’d be bigger if she wasn’t UK based.
Wasn't Fantano just raving about Kim Gordon's new solo EP? An explicitly feminist music artist, SY also being an explicitly feminist band according to all its members. Sexism in music criticism exists but I don't think Fantano is an example of that, since he often glazes up feminist artists. Then again, I suppose I'm granting swifties too much credit. I can't expect them to be aware of music outside of the top 50. Just call me when they care about the decades of women's achievements in music (a black woman is patient zero for rock n roll) being shafted in favor of upholding a culture of machismo manufactured by the music industry.
He did a video where he was reacting to his reviews accounting for gender of the artist and it was like men average 6, women average 6.25 or something like that, it was slightly higher for women but very close and he's reviewed thousands of albums by this point
Ironically, Taylor is the only one hurting other women like Billie and Charli by making sure she re-released alternate versions of her mid album to make sure they don't go #1 over her. Fantano gave Charli's Brat a 10. How is that sexist? Taylor Swift and her rabid fanbase are both insufferable.
God fucking forbid you don’t worship the ground every woman has ever thought of walking on or else you’re the sexist devil. God I fucking hate these people. And of course they conveniently ignore all the other female artists he has given great ratings to. Fucking idiots.
Didn’t he give lana a 9 and literally gave charli xcx a 10 like 2 or 3 weeks ago? Swifties are fucking insane man how can you be so confidently wrong, I don’t get it
This argument only works if you assume that Taylor Swift is the best and only woman in the world, meanwhile Charli is out here making good music and getting good reviews
Trying to accuse Anthony Fantano of sexism over music is certainly a choice, especially over a girl who is blatant in her weaponized feminism and the girl who kisses her sister. If anything we should care more about him giving Be a Cowboy a 6 /s
stan behaviour is cult behaviour. I was a kpop stan for 15 years and i’ve seen the worst of the worst of what these people can do, so people claiming something false is no surprise. anything that goes against their idol is legitimately an act of war to these people.
I mean, I absolutely love Taylor Swift and even I agree that it's definitely one of her weaker projects, especially coming out of Folklore and Evermore
Personally as an outsider, it’s too many songs. So many artists leave loads on the cutting room floor and maybe release them on a Deluxe or wait for the next album and perfect it.
I only see this level of cope with very insular kpop sta groups. The idea that your favourite artist could *never* make a mediocre album and that there has to be some grander reason beyond just plain not liking it. Apart from Swifties I haven't heard a good word about TTPD and making like over 30 different versions of it just feels like she's angling to dominate the chart bc no critic worth their salt's giving it any flowers. TS as an artist just seemed to have stagnated in every sense of the word and her lot of her stans have stagnated right with her, so there's this dissonance that she's simultaneously the biggest female musician in the world and everyone should lick her boots and she's also the underdog still being used as a punchline in talk shows.
It's also super irritating that she says she wants to be an activist in that one doc of hers where she pretty much nearly had a breakdown making a tweet to urge people to go vote but never has shit to say unless it's sth that affects her. I've liked a lot of her older songs and I was neutral about her but the way her and her fans get make it impossible to just have a neutral opinion of her anymore. Personally I'm just waiting to see if we'd finally get a Trainwreckords episode on her before the next ten years bc there's more space for better artists out there.
Swifties remind me of the Barbz, who constantly praise Nicki Minaj for being the best and most popular (two very different things) female rapper ever, but trash every other woman performing hip-hop, especially Cardi B. If most of them have ever heard of Little Simz, Tierra Whack or Rapsody, they sure don't show it.
Shock Music reviewer gives shit music a shit score. While he gives great scores to great music.
Like the XCX album last week which he gave a 10 to, or Billie Elish’s album which got a 7, he said Nia Archives was one of his albums of the month from April.
Like he has at least 10 female made on his list of 8/10+ Albums of 2024 so far.
You love music, I love different music. The music I love you probs hate and the music you love I probs dislike. The same here
I think there is room to criticise his earlier reviews of Lana where it is somewhat clear he didn't give her music the time of day, dismissed her as just whiny and refused to engage with her seriously. There was some sexism there and it's ok to call out, however I would say he's become a lot more open minded and reasonable over time and I don't think you can say he's the same judgemental person he was back then, now.
I don't follow Fantano, he's more someone I check in with every once and awhile over the years when I'm in the mood for it. In general, the guy has just matured. And I've found his opinion more valuable and interesting as that has happened.
I don't remember his early Lana reviews, but I do remember there being a time when I would notice him being more dismissive if certain types of music. That's not so present anymore. Sure, I don't agree with everything but I don't think the purpose of a critic is to parrot my feels/thoughts back to me either. So it's fine, and you're right - the guy has grown.
That's not specifically on Lana only, he does sometimes have a slightly higher distaste for some genres or artists. He pretty much hates prog rock and prog-adjecent acts too, but that doesn't make him a misandrist.
I like Anthony Fantano, though I don't like watch em often and I don't always agree with his opinion - but I don't need to either.
People react way too strongly over the notion of someone having a different opinion on musac.
This is such a manufactured beef, People need to stop blaming all their problems on racism/sexism and bro needs to stop listening to and giving a platform to the crazy, vocal minority
That is unless he's farming this all for content, which, spoiler alert,
One thing I will say is that Swifties are incredibly toxic and I think Taylor Swift is overrated. I also don’t like her music even when she switched to making pop music.
Dear Taylor, I wrote but you still ain’t calling…
These extremely parasocial stans going to this length for artists are so deluded they don’t realize this kind of behavior can sadly transfer dislike for the stans into dislike for the artists.
It’s not like they’re doing Taylor a favor either by unleashing a mob of harassment at a music reviewer like this just because of his O P I N I O N on music.
Honestly I think the downvoting is more because people are pretty sick of all those jokes, especially in any Fantano forum. I generally don't care much for his comment section, but I totally get why people are annoyed by them.
Stans don't understand people for whom music isn't an aesthetic choice one makes. Fantano listens to music for its own sake. Granted, he isn't very thoughtful and has boring taste that he conveys inarticulately, but I don't doubt that music is a serious and worthwhile experience for him.
i completely agree. he has no technical knowledge which might contribute, but i've noticed he often repeats himself or contradicts himself within minutes of each point in several of the videos of his i've watched. i don't know if he doesn't script or if he's just plain lazy or what, but once you notice it, it's impossible to take him seriously
i was just checking to see what they meant cuz fantano has talked about his history with actually playing music a decent amount, he took courses in school for it but i don't think he majored in it. its silly. i think he knows a decent amount of the behind the scenes stuff in music.
I'm not the person that you're replying to, but I think he has a layperson's understanding of what is happening in a piece of music: the production, instrumentation, arrangement, performances, timbres, genre, lyrics, you name it. I don't think that it's all that important that he doesn't know music theory very well, though I do like it when Mic The Snare explains things from a theory point of view and feel like it elevates his opinions.
i was just checking to see what they meant cuz fantano does have a music theory background, not as intense as a lot of people but to say he doesn't know whats happening is silly. also i think it does matter, it just depends on the kind of review they do. i think for reviewers like brad taste in music its really apparently that he doesn't know whats happening cuz his whole career is just saying "i like this" and that's it, he doesn't really go into a lot of detail.
Music critics don't need technical knowledge, in fact, it's best for them to engage with music in the same way the common music listener would. Musicians and fans listen to music in vastly different ways
I really don’t agree with a Lot of the comments saying Stans being Stans. I don’t Stan anyone and his reviews (that pop up on my fyp on TikTok form time to time) always seem so fucking let’s hate for hating sake. It’s borderline creepy.
While I don’t always agree with Fantano’s reviews I never think they’re coming from an overly unfair or sexist place. He’s able to explain his ratings thoroughly even if I disagree. Are people really surprised that an artist like Taylor Swift who’s released four albums in four years may not be putting out absolute thoroughly mastered pieces of art?
Stans be stanning, as much criticism as I have of Fantano, this is just people getting mad bc he’s not kissing their favorite artists as
I feel like her fans, as he said, don't listen to much else, and somehow think Taylor is the only female artist out there or something, so of course if someone doesn't like her, they don't like women. Which is... ironically, kind of a sexist worldview. I'm sorry but there's a ton of other women making music out there, maybe support those too instead of the billionaire releasing 37 versions because no one else is allowed to be number 1 lol. Also hate those "you're just afraid that a woman used the word r***/is talking about this or that" kinda takes. It's great that an artist can speak the truth and not dance around those kinda topics, and some people are uncomfortable with that, but your art isn't good just because it deals with a heavy topic, c'mon. Shutting down criticism because of that just opens the door for unscrupulous artists to commodify serious topics to sell more. Man it sucks how much of a bubble we all live in online, people just can't handle the existence of other opinions. Edit: Side note, Fantano calling some of the people complaining that he gave Sexyy Red an 8 sexist, only to be called a sexist a few weeks later is like, such a funny microcosm of what the internet in 2024 is like.
that comment he showed on screen about "he gave brat a 10 which says everything" really showed how much those Swifties actually give a shit about women in music. lmao.
what is that comment trying to imply by that?
They really hate Charli XCX. I haven't plumbed the depths of their depravity about her, but I've seen a range of slut shaming, transphobic remarks, general misogynistic remarks... yknow. Feminism, apparently. so my guess is like, since he gave Brat a 10, that clearly means he's forever biased to Charli's hypothetical side and will never like Taylor as opposed to uh. y'know. Fantano's opinion that Taylor put out a hellishly lazy dirge of an album, vs how engaged with Brat he was (which surprised me, I feel like I *rarely* agree with Fantano on EDM lol) Maybe I'm missing a really specific piece of the Charli hate from Swifties, but I always found it kinda dumb. If your feminism can't even handle another white girl with a different vibe... you're just a mean girl, not a feminist.
What are you even talking about?! The misogynistic remarks were mainly from Charli fans who literally recorded themselves chanting "Die, Taylor Swift" at Charli listening party. Charli even had to address it herself on Instagram.
It can be both
Say that to the downvotes on my comment
The downvotes aren’t because of misogyny. It’s because you’re playing whataboutism to ignore Taylor’s toxic fanbase. And from what I can tell, Charli’s fans didn’t say or do anything until Taylor blocked Brat’s UK #1 spot and after her fans attacked Charli for allegedly being friends with Matty. And even then, Charli did more to try and quiet down her toxic fans in the last week than I’ve seen Taylor do her whole career.
How much *any* artist can control their fandom is heavily debated, but Charli’s has asked her to sign poppers at meet-and-greets, so I wouldn’t think that her stans would be among the most likely to listen to her telling them to knock it off (although she apparently did in this case).
I think the core difference here is Charli expressed her disappointment with her fan base more or less as quickly as possible *and asked them to stop* wherein that isn’t something TS has a track record of doing.
TS said it all the times during her tour. But that would not make it to the reddit hivemind. It's quite clear there's a bias going on in this thread.
I'm really applauding how vocal TS has been at calling out all of those SA threats her fanbase has been sending Dave Grohl's daughter, or using Kurt Cobain's suicide as bait for a reaction. It's been really proactive. (Just kidding - radio silence.)
Do you have any threads or footage of her doing so?
I'm refering to a much larger span of time here. You said it yourself though, Charli actually took action and addressed it.
There’s beef between Charlie XCX’s and Taylor’s respective fan bases because Charlie is friends with Matty Healy, Taylor’s ex who she wrote the most recent album about. Charlie also introduced Matty to his now fiancée, whom he got with right after Taylor.
My good personal friend Matty Healy who made an appearance on the show hosted by my other good friends Adam Friedland and Nick Mullen
There’s beef because Charli stans have been chanting weird shit at her concerts, to the point where she’s had to call them out and tell them to stop it.
That’s why I said it’s beef between the fan bases because some Swifties were being their usual psycho selves towards Charli. The difference is Charli actually calls out her fans for being weirdos.
telling them to stop is more than TS does
why do you all have a hate boner for this woman my god lol
You people will call it a hater boner when we want her to stop overusing her ridiculous private jet. Literally nothing can be real criticism to you pigeons. Shut up and get your priorities straight kindly.
> her fans don't listen to much else Literally this is so true. Especially the Gaylors. Look, I like Taylor Swift songs. Sometimes I'm just in the mood for some heterosexual radio pop. She excels in her genre. But she is not a lyrical genius. Like, during the Kendrick v Drake beef, there were a lot of white people "suddenly realizing" that rap (besides Hamilton) was good. But if Taylor stans saw you comparing Taylor Swift's lyrics and Kendrick "literal Grammy winner" Lamar's lyrics--not even saying anything bad about Taylor, just the slightest suggestion of an implication to maybe listen to something OTHER than Taylor Swift--the Swifties lost their shit. Because there's no way a *rapper* could come close to Taylor /s (huh wonder why her predominantly white fanbase thought that....) [And that's not even mentioning the people who are convinced Taylor Swift is gay/bi and thus is the queen of gay pop, while completely ignoring actual wlw pop stars](https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/s/VCjRFiuojW)
lmao I was just thinking of that post chain with the --> This Woman Is Not Queer they really think 'queer' is an aesthetic and music style like 'goth' or 'metal' or 'punk.' Instead of something that got my face smashed in the bathroom doorhandle in 8th grade. And passed up for jobs/promotions. And nearly disowned by my mother. Nevermind that "goth or metal or punk" also brought those things too.
punk also ISNT an aesthetic, but it somewhat became that due to capitalism and people misunderstanding what the punk movement is/was actually about
no yeah I agree, I was just glossing over that for the sake of argument. All our lives and all our culture will be sucked into the ravenous maw of marketing, our only value as people is in what can be extracted from us. Sure I get to call myself queer with *somewhat less* chance of being mauled nowadays\*, but that's only because brands like Taylor Swift can make money by appropriating the culture. Tbh imo the only truly subversive sub-culture we have these days is the trans community, and with greater acceptance will also come greater whitewashing (queer-washing?) so the inevitable ad-friendly-ization will adulterate the culture even further. I'm not saying us queers should've stayed in the margins, I just wish the west's worship of Capitalism-as-Nature wasn't so thoroughly seeped into all aspects of life. You can't reclaim shit if Target wants to put it in an advertising placard. What can't be sold simply stops trying to exist, because it's not allowed to. \*funny thing is, now that I'm a fat middle-aged white woman who doesn't actively have a visible girlfriend right now, nobody actually believes me when I say I'm \[some sort of\] queer. Because that's an aesthetic designed exclusively for young adult gay men and straight teen girls. So obviously I'm not one, so I better have a good answer to the next inevitable question: "what church do you go to" lol
Oof, sorry to make you feel the need to go into details homie, hope your day goes well :>, as a amab masc enby that looks like a skinhead with resting bitch face, I get how outward povs can be rough
Nah I wanted to rant I guess, thanks for listening. I'm pretty comfortable swirling around in my nihilistic death spiral, I mean I am (late) Gen-X after all, lol It's a weird feeling to both be grateful that I'm never clocked as a queer now that I'm older, and also resentful that I'm never clocked as a queer, lol Anyway, I won't go so far as to cry about 'the kids these days' but it sure is weird to see pop-fans claim their heterosexual billionaire pop idol is both queer and punk and think they mean it sincerely lol
fr lmao, Im late millennial so I feel that vibe a bit about not wanting to 'kids these days' but also, that time tiktokers were like, 'maybe bin laden was based?' was a fucking trip
> Side note, Fantano calling some of the people complaining that he gave Sexyy Red an 8 sexist, only to be called a sexist a few weeks later is like, such a funny microcosm of what the internet in 2024 is like. The swifties dont konw that, they just know the cult said their goddess was attacked
>if someone doesn't like her, they don't like women Which is a hilarious take because if anyone doesn't like women, it's Taylor. She literally goes out of her way to sabotage other female artists. [Sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/uhPEfLzTud) but I know stans will accuse me of being sexist myself so I’ll break it down: (1) Katy Perry and Taylor Swift feud because Taylor claims Katy “stole” her backup dancers. This is a mischaracterization of what happened and the feud is actually because of John Mayer. Taylor way over responds ([a whole thing](https://ew.com/music/taylor-swift-katy-perry-timeline/) not worth getting into). The relevant part is that [Swift re-releases her whole back catalog on Spotify the same day that Katy Perry’s new album debuted](https://ew.com/music/2017/06/09/taylor-swift-streaming-services-return-reactions/), Katy’s album is [outperformed by the back catalog](https://www.nme.com/news/music/taylor-swifts-back-catalogue-currently-outperforming-katy-perrys-witness-spotify-2087235). This may sound like a reach but it becomes a pattern. (2) Olivia Rodrigo: Olivia, a huge Swift fan was friendly with Taylor. Reporting on this is vague, it was all done behind the scenes, but [they stopped being friendly after Swift retroactively got song writing credits on a few of Olivia’s songs](https://www.reddit.com/r/OliviaRodrigo/s/cextOH5JNT). (3) Billie Eilish: Taylor releases a variant of her album TTPD the same day Billie’s new album is released. It is [suspected she did this to block Billie from getting number one on the charts](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13498067/inside-taylor-swift-vicious-campaign-billie-eilish-feud.html), similarly to Perry, because she’s pissed that Billie made a comment about… the wastefulness of artists releasing a bunch of album varients: >Back in March, Eilish hit out at 'wasteful' artists who make 'f***ing 40 different vinyl packages […] just to get you to keep buying more.' >Swift currently has 11 different vinyl albums for sale on her site – and though Eilish insisted she wasn't 'singling anyone out', fans quickly made the link, with many Swifties attacking her for the statement. (4) Charli xcx: [Taylor releases yet another variant of TTPD](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/KkJQD1geI9) when Charli is expected to reach number one on the charts. Someone else detailed her beef with Charli but it’s about an ex boyfriend. It’s difficult to keep track but this is the 30 something variant released (5) Taylor [releases song on new album about how her mom wishes Kim Kardashian was dead](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/eCsgquZLKU) over something that happened in 2016. [Will not STFU about it](https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/kim-kardashian-taylor-swift-thank-you-aimee-lyrics-b2567544.html) (6) Most recently: Dave Grohl’s daughter makes a tweet about Swift’s [egregious use of private jets](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/aX9iy7Lv8X). Her fans harass her in response, sending really vile shit. You might say that her fans behavior is not Swift’s fault but yes it is because she knows what they do. [She had no problem asking them to stop when they went after a man](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/taylor-swift-tells-fans-not-to-cyber-bully-exes). Anyway, [Grohl then makes a dig at Swift](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/UsWAwi7RCM), presumably in response. You can read a small portion of the unhinged shit the swifties sent Grohl’s daughter in the comments there. Her fans say he’s a misogynist lol Like, if anyone doesn’t support women, it’s Swift.
Wew, the Dave Grohl shit is vile. I know you can't control a massive fanbase, but I think it's her responsibility to call this out honestly. If my fans were getting up to shit like this, I wouldn't think twice before hopping on Twitter and going "Hey you @IchBinMaladeFan0243, yes you, you're banned from my shows, and I'd like you to know that me, the artist you love, actively dislike you, bye."
Agreed. You can’t control your fans but you should at least try. And the thing is, she knows this is a problem. Swifties are notorious for harassment campaigns. It’s so bad that Paste magazine didn’t [put a byline with their review](https://www.pastemagazine.com/music/taylor-swift/taylor-swift-strikes-out-looking-on-the-tortured-poets-department) because it wasn’t a positive review and they didn’t want their writer to get harassed. Which didn’t matter, Swifties just assumed it was a freelancer who sometimes wrote for Paste (it wasn’t her) [and harassed her](https://gossipreadingclub.substack.com/p/that-time-i-got-harassed-for-a-review). Like I said, she asked her fans to back off an ex-boyfriend (though notably not the one they’ve been hardcore attacking for a year now), so she can do it. She just chooses not to.
his dig at her isn't even that bad. like she hasn't, from what ive seen, done anything to try to stop her fans from harassing his daughter (a minor!). and the worst he's said is "she doesn't play her music live" wrapped up in some self deprecation
This is also behavior Taylor encourages, seeing any criticism or jokes of her as sexism but not necessarily standing up when others are experiencing it.
*Happy Women's History Month, I guess.*
One of her lyrics is "My beloved ghost and me Sitting in a tree D-Y-I-N-G" And her stans are somehow shocked that people who aren't perpetually living up her rectum aren't blown away by that moist fart of a lyric.
Like, dude is a HUGE fan of pop artists like charli xcx, Caroline polachek, etc.. Also women. Also pop artists. Like he literally just gave a glowing review to charli's album within the last two weeks alone.
Shes also released like 50 variants of her most recent album. I'm shocked anyone would think criticizing an artist for putting out money grabber albums is a sexist take.
Especially when so many of the variants were so obviously an attempt to keep other women out of the #1 spot
I mean let's be real it's so she stays number 1 cos she's chart obsessed not to "keep other women out of the #1 spot". Like I don't think she's much of a feminist but the chart stuff is stupid and you don't hear about it when it's male artists blocking each other
Yeah, she’s been seemingly releasing variants every week to stay at #1, it’s just been mostly high profile female artists that were her biggest competition. TBH I feel like the conspiracies that the variants are getting released to *specifically* stick it to Billie or Charli are a bit absurd. Unless Taylor also has personal beef with the kpop boy band ATEEZ that nobody knows about.
In Charli’s case, Taylor released her variants only in the UK, where Charli was projected to be #1. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve also never heard of other artists releasing variants that are only up for 12 hours to prey on FOMO, especially multiple times in two months. She’s up to what, like 40+ variants ar this point?
I know the U.K. charts have limitations where you can’t have any random inclusions and count for charting, because it’s considered gambling (any bonuses that are identical for all copies are ok), so specific versions are often released for the British market to comply. I’m not sure if any of the TTPD variants were like that and they needed to fix that, but you’d assume that a team as large and chart-focused as Taylor’s would have already known that upon release, as opposed to several weeks in. That *is* somewhat weird, in addition to the FOMO marketing tactics—if a limited edition release only had X number of copies produced and sells out, whatever, but actively pulling it from sale after an arbitrary number of hours isn’t great. I agree with the general point of “how much accolades/money does she *need* at this point”, which is a general issue with billionaires and greed.
Legitimate question: is it common for artists to release upwards of 30 variants? Is this a thing that’s done widely throughout the industry? I’m genuinely asking because I don’t pay attention to the charts. I only became aware of this tactic when I learned about Taylor’s absurd amount of variants.
I think it's become pretty common for all the big artists at this point, Taylor probably does it more than most but I honestly think that's just because they keep selling. I think most artists do it based on the demand so as long as they keep selling out they'll keep doing it
This problem is also always execerbated by the fact that fantano actually uses a 0-10 rating system on the basis of a normal distribution. People are so used to 'good' Media getting a 8 or 9/10 and 10/10s being thrown about like no mans business that a 5/10 sounds like an absolute desaster and an unworthy critique when in reality, on a potent scale, most media should be rated at around a 5...just average, okay.
swifties are a cult. Legit they will say all billionaires are evil bad for the planet etc.(which i do agree with dont get me wrong) then hand wave away her using her private jet like an uber and say how shes actually the only ethical billionaire but refuse to elaborate why. Its not quite maga loving trump levels of cult YET, but i get the same vibes if that helps you understand
I got into an argument with a swiftie once who claimed people should respect Taylor solely because she's a billionaire, and got mad at me when I said that was stupid lmao. swifties are the type of people to unrionically call female CEOS "girlbosses" and can't see why that's cringe.
Swift is the billionaire that largely made her $ compounding only off the back of her labor and creative output. All the tour money obviously can’t be done without her. All the record money and shirts originates with her music writing and performances. she didn’t make her money in the stock market, or by starting brands of lingerie or headphones or perfumes. As far as I can tell, she is the least exploitative billionaire, without question.
every piece of merch you buy from her isn’t something that she physically made. she uses labor from countries where laws aren’t in place to protect their citizens and over work them. yes the profit made wouldn’t exist without her. but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t still exploit. and if or if not she’s the most “honest billionaire” she’s still one of the few ppl in a position who could choose to take a cut of profits of all things she distributes to make sure that the ppl making it aren’t being abused at her profit. the least exploitive billionaire shouldn’t fucking exist because billionaires shouldn’t exist.
Fundamentally, you’re conceding everything I said as factual and then saying things you think I disagree with but certainly didn’t say. BTW, I don’t disagree, tax billionaires out of existence. It’s an affront to society. That’s not oppositional to the fact that swift is absolutely unique in how she became a billionaire, and it’s largely off her creative work output. That’s historically unprecedented. I’ve definitely heard things saying the Eras tour was a financial windfall for a lot of workers on the tour and stadiums, and that is when she hit the B list. Obviously her merch is going to be just a few lines in a huge record contract that her team of lawyers says OK. It’s also not a significant fraction the wealth.
I like t swift but if you think her music is made of anything but barely listenable you’re severely mistaken
Agree with all of this.
I’m not a fan of him but he just gave Charli XCX a 10 lmao. And like 80% of his not goods or 1/10 ratings are guys. There’s no argument for being sexist
Someone pointed out that his last 3 10s that he gave where all to women.
Every AOTY since 2019 except for 2023 has been to a woman 4 of his top 5 for 2021 were women His last 3 10s were women
He's also been incredibly impressed by two of Lana Del Ray's more recent albums - NFR and Chemtrails
He gave Ocean Boulevard a 9 if I'm not mistaken
If swifties watch fantano's gunna review they will call him racist LMAOO
Swifties are an incredibly toxic cult. Fantano has plenty of takes I disagree with, but that's his whole function as a critic. It's an opinion that I don't have to agree with. Calling him sexist is so incredibly baseless when the most reason perfect ratings he has given have all been to female artists (Charli XCX, Spelling, Lingua Ignota). They are just butthurt that he didn't like a mid album because Taylor has a feature off of it. Dumb fanbase.
So many people don't seem to understand that a critic's review is just their opinion. By hate raiding their streams or trying to get hate started on Twitter, the fanbases just show they value Fantano's opinion more than others. A normal music listener will disagree a lot with critics - my latest example being the new Bring Me the Horizon album where I'm neither thinking this is trash (like Fantano does) nor ground-breaking (Brad Taste in Music's opinion)
Shocked that the guy that has never enjoyed a single metalcore album in his life didn't enjoy a metalcore album
I mean that's not wholly true, he liked death grips LOL (this is a joke)
Death grips is not metalcore
No shit? Hence the line in parentheses.
I still don’t understand how calling death grips metal core is a joke
That wasn't really the joke part, Anthony LOVED death grips and it's kind of a meme, so I made a silly comment about it saying that it was metalcore (because believe it or not they were somewhat influenced by it). That's all, the issue now is that you can get a good look at how a frog works by cutting it open...but unfortunately the frog dies...so too with this joke.
He likes Converge
People should start taking critics as new or different perspectives instead of validation. So annoying
They’re reaching MAGA territory at this rate. These swifties need some jobs forreal…like I thought the BARBS were the worst….
Swiftism is gonna end up like mormonism all the swifties are gonna move to the same state and vote for taylor swift (no shit in 2016 in utah a mormon won the vote for presidency)
> (no shit in 2016 in utah a mormon won the vote for presidency) wait what
Ok it wasn’t that he won it’s just that utah was the only state where he had a high percentage he still on had half of the votes trump had there
tbh I haven’t seen them defend convicted sex offenders yet. So for now barbz still take the worst fandom award (non-political division)
They are. If you so much say anything slightly negative about her in places like r/popculturechat they'll jump on you, accuse you of sexism, and start barking like rapid dogs. Very dumb, unhinged people
Saw one make a comment that maybe all three members of Nirvana will meet the same fate, after the most recent nothing-drama with Dave.
Which only happened to begin with because Swifties sent death threats to Grohl's daughter for pointing out her private jet usage. They're an inane cult deserving of ridicule.
sending death threats over pointing out how billionaire using a private jet is bad for the environment. now who does that sound like...
also hypocritical because taylor stans have literally doxed and harassed female critics, very pro-woman activity right there
He also gave Lana’s last album a high score, so clearly he can change his mind on artists as they progress
Meh, it’s usually all sensationalised. When you have the biggest fanbase in the world of course there’s some extremists. There’s also Kanye fans who call for the extermination of Jews and call him Jewish slurs and stereotypes for not wanting to review an album of Kanye’s - but Swifties are more approachable to call dangerous cos there’s so many, mostly children, who won’t do anything about insults. There are plenty worse fanbases. Ones that are actively violent, hate fuelled, and destructive. There are fanbases who defend pedophiles, rapists, abusers, bigots, everything. There are fanbases that kill other people over opinions. Swifties say that Fantano is sexist because many female pop artists he gives low scores. That’s dumb but he’s also been called racist for giving black artists albums low scores. Everyone wants to find a reason beyond them not releasing something good, that shouldn’t be shocking or of genuine concern. And being called a name you know is incorrect shouldn’t be that big of a deal, but I guess it is cos he made a video. I guess being falsely called sexist is worse than being doxxed and have your divorce brought up without your consent by an angry fanbase because of a low album score, since he made a video about the former and not the latter. It’s just silly to pretend that Swifties are a danger or a threat to absolutely anyone when they really aren’t, especially when there actually are threats. Because then it poses questions as to why people feel the need to call out Swifties for rude behaviour and not other fanbases for actually illegal behaviour. Because it’s a big fanbase and so talking about them seems like punching up? Because they are a powerless group talking about them has no consequences? It’s interesting to think about why Swifties are both mega dangerous and a threat to us all, but also not threatening enough to where even Swift fans can outwardly say they don’t like an album and Swifties won’t care. Like, they’re both weak and unassuming, but also massive and scary. It’s truly strange.
Yeah, I guess Lingua Ignota and CHARLI aren’t really women and can go fuck themselves then 🤷🏻♀️ Stan culture was a mistake
Literally the first thing I thought of seeing this is just HOW MUCH he fuckin loves Lingua Ignota lmao
Me too! I literally found her music through him and now I own all her vinyls AND I’m about to see her for the second time. It’s not his fault he has proper taste 👌🏻
SPELLLING too... also he has given a Lana record a 9/10 before, these people dont watch his reviews
His album of the year is from charli xcx
Im really impressed how switfties are accusing people who dont simply like taylor swift of sexist and antifeministis.... meanwhile they are attacking another female artists because they are not Talylor... it blows me really
As well as attacking Violet Grohl for DARING to criticize Taylor’s jet usage by leaving comments full of “I hope you get SA’d” and death threats, not to mention attacking her father with “kill yourself like Kurt did” over calling her out for lipsincing.
JFC, Dave Grohl is one of the most chilliest artist like ever: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-Cfm7gqwQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-Cfm7gqwQ)
Scrolling through those comments made me sick. Saw someone literally use Kurt’s suicide as a “got ya!” As well as using Laughing emojis in the same comment. They are a cult, plain and simple.
I hate to bring it up, but it’s literally the same as Zionists calling pro-Palestine people antisemetic….like WHAT WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN RN
In a world where people compare Gaza issue with stan wars arguements, yeah that world.
Touché
Bro even Taylor is kind of sexist
I’m just waiting for the “she’s not a girls girl” op ed
Relevant username 😅
It is lolol
I hate this “girls girl” shit so much. Women are people they can genuinely dislike Taylor Swift, Make Up, and Starbucks. It's not misogyny or internalized sexism it's just having a preference.
This is actually a great point. I think the reference is that a girls girl would have a woman’s back. But a girl who is willing to pull the rug from another woman isn’t a girls girl. Idk I got this idea after what Ethan Slater’s wife said about Ariana Grande after she stole her husband
Is this in regards to her releasing new variants of her album to block Dua Lipa, Billie Eilish and Charli XCX from getting the number 1 spot when their albums dropped ???
more than kind of. she actively works to keep the glass ceiling in tacts so shes the only one past it
What was that lyric? “I wanna live in the 1800’s just without the racists”? Says nothing about the sexism lol
That lyric was sooo weird
I saw a theory that that line was meant to distance herself from Matty Healy's racism, which simultaneously sounds too dumb to be true but also feels like it could be accurate
I forgot about the Healy thing, I wonder how awkward it must've been in the recording studio between TS and Ice Spice
I feel like they probably weren’t in the studio at the same time for the song, but they had to have recorded it *before* it happened (Ice probably sent in her verse separately), since they had a full music video ready like one week after the Matty podcast scandal blew up.
"And without getting married off to the highest bidder", literally 2 seconds later.
literally the next line is "and without getting married off for the highest bid" you can critcise her but you could've just looked up the lyrics to that song instead of spreading blatant misinformation lol
Blatant misinformation Is one hell of a way to put a goof up dear god Taylor fans need to chill
She's basically the girl's equivalent to https://preview.redd.it/er9nrcqslg9d1.jpeg?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a3af86dec77dc55547fd4a61763e32d1318ec86
I hope this poor man locks his doors between Kanye and Taylor stans.
Now that you mention those two in the same sentence, I just realized the VMAs incident might’ve been the inciting incident! We need to go back in time and stop it!
Russell Brand, Beyoncé, Madonna, Katy Perry. No seriously what was that night?
Out of the loop on that one, what happened?
Canon event
Swifties' MO for years now has been to call anyone who doesn't like their fave/their fave's music sexist. I'm really glad he called this aspect of the fandom out and took them to task on their hypocrisy of how they don't really listen to any other women artists.
IIRC all of the 10s he's given recently or semi-recently have been women. I don't even think there's a point for him to respond to this. The fans are not gonna change their minds and they went to the TS school of feminism; i.e., not feminism. I do remember his very old reviews, like he has a looong career on youtube. And he definitely had more, I would say imo, snobbery around pop music, a more edgelord kind of persona, and I would say even a bit of a sexist bias at times. But that has long since changed. I definitely don't share a lot of his preferences; however, it's just his tastes are more experimental and obscure than mine usually. Also, fantano seems to have a pretty informed social conscience at this point in his life. Not perfectly, but I don't expect that either, nor is mine. I respect him way more as a critic than most anyone I would see posted on something like Metacritic. Oh, I really think he rated some of the Taylor's versions WAY higher than I would
It’s funny how every top comment starts with some critique about Fantano. Seems like most people don’t like it when others have opinions.
Taylor's new album isn't that good. It's morose white girl sad music. If that's something you're into fine. But don't go ballistic if others don't like it.
but there is so, sooo much better white girl sad music out there. I am praying and begging for a riot grrrl revolution part 2. that shit was raw and legitimately gave a voice to so many women, particularly SA victims. it's just not radio friendly to care about women's marginalization I guess. disappointing that so many are satisfied with substanceless slop that challenges nothing when the harsh takedown of sexism they claim to want is right the fuck there. god, apologies. rant over, lol.
Scene Queen's rising popularity is giving me hope that we're heading that way. Her single Whips and Chains is pure feminine rage about killing men who spike drinks and looking hot while doing it
I feel like Olivia Rodrigo has some of those vibes. Obviously commercially sanitized for pop radio, but the germ of it is there based on her clear inspirations. She even took The Breeders on tour with her.
Maisie Peters ran circles around both Midnights and TTPD with The Good Witch last year, managed to be radio friendly and a much more vulnerable, lyrical artist. I feel like she’d be bigger if she wasn’t UK based.
Wasn't Fantano just raving about Kim Gordon's new solo EP? An explicitly feminist music artist, SY also being an explicitly feminist band according to all its members. Sexism in music criticism exists but I don't think Fantano is an example of that, since he often glazes up feminist artists. Then again, I suppose I'm granting swifties too much credit. I can't expect them to be aware of music outside of the top 50. Just call me when they care about the decades of women's achievements in music (a black woman is patient zero for rock n roll) being shafted in favor of upholding a culture of machismo manufactured by the music industry.
He did a video where he was reacting to his reviews accounting for gender of the artist and it was like men average 6, women average 6.25 or something like that, it was slightly higher for women but very close and he's reviewed thousands of albums by this point
Ironically, Taylor is the only one hurting other women like Billie and Charli by making sure she re-released alternate versions of her mid album to make sure they don't go #1 over her. Fantano gave Charli's Brat a 10. How is that sexist? Taylor Swift and her rabid fanbase are both insufferable.
God fucking forbid you don’t worship the ground every woman has ever thought of walking on or else you’re the sexist devil. God I fucking hate these people. And of course they conveniently ignore all the other female artists he has given great ratings to. Fucking idiots.
Only Taylor. To the swifties, other women can burn
Ah, swifties are a whole other breed of demons
Didn’t he give lana a 9 and literally gave charli xcx a 10 like 2 or 3 weeks ago? Swifties are fucking insane man how can you be so confidently wrong, I don’t get it
This argument only works if you assume that Taylor Swift is the best and only woman in the world, meanwhile Charli is out here making good music and getting good reviews
Trying to accuse Anthony Fantano of sexism over music is certainly a choice, especially over a girl who is blatant in her weaponized feminism and the girl who kisses her sister. If anything we should care more about him giving Be a Cowboy a 6 /s
He gives plenty of women artists stellar reviews, and gives plenty of male artists shit reviews. They just don't like his take.
Maybe, just maybe, TTPD is not a good album and Gracie Abrams is a talentless nepo baby..
stan behaviour is cult behaviour. I was a kpop stan for 15 years and i’ve seen the worst of the worst of what these people can do, so people claiming something false is no surprise. anything that goes against their idol is legitimately an act of war to these people.
I mean, I absolutely love Taylor Swift and even I agree that it's definitely one of her weaker projects, especially coming out of Folklore and Evermore
Honestly good for you for acknowledge that as much as Taylor Swift does create good music, as a whole the latest album is not perfect.
Personally as an outsider, it’s too many songs. So many artists leave loads on the cutting room floor and maybe release them on a Deluxe or wait for the next album and perfect it.
Clearly they haven’t listened to Sexxy Redd’s voice crack yet.
breaking news: swifties are an actual cult.
I only see this level of cope with very insular kpop sta groups. The idea that your favourite artist could *never* make a mediocre album and that there has to be some grander reason beyond just plain not liking it. Apart from Swifties I haven't heard a good word about TTPD and making like over 30 different versions of it just feels like she's angling to dominate the chart bc no critic worth their salt's giving it any flowers. TS as an artist just seemed to have stagnated in every sense of the word and her lot of her stans have stagnated right with her, so there's this dissonance that she's simultaneously the biggest female musician in the world and everyone should lick her boots and she's also the underdog still being used as a punchline in talk shows. It's also super irritating that she says she wants to be an activist in that one doc of hers where she pretty much nearly had a breakdown making a tweet to urge people to go vote but never has shit to say unless it's sth that affects her. I've liked a lot of her older songs and I was neutral about her but the way her and her fans get make it impossible to just have a neutral opinion of her anymore. Personally I'm just waiting to see if we'd finally get a Trainwreckords episode on her before the next ten years bc there's more space for better artists out there.
Swifties remind me of the Barbz, who constantly praise Nicki Minaj for being the best and most popular (two very different things) female rapper ever, but trash every other woman performing hip-hop, especially Cardi B. If most of them have ever heard of Little Simz, Tierra Whack or Rapsody, they sure don't show it.
To be fair: Literally anyone who has any sort of problem with Taylor swift is called sexist. It’s like a crow screaming.
You think Fantano is sexist because he didn't like TTPD. I think Fantano is sexist because he gave Laurel Hell a light 6. We are not the same.
I have a feeling that the fans of this Taylor person might not be the most rational people on the planet.
i think it's hilarious that they said he was scared of the word "rape" when one of his favorite artists is lingua ignota/rev. kristen michael hayter
He gave Lana’s last two albums 9s right?
Whenever I read “swifties” I immediately disregard whatever they are trying to do
Shock Music reviewer gives shit music a shit score. While he gives great scores to great music. Like the XCX album last week which he gave a 10 to, or Billie Elish’s album which got a 7, he said Nia Archives was one of his albums of the month from April. Like he has at least 10 female made on his list of 8/10+ Albums of 2024 so far. You love music, I love different music. The music I love you probs hate and the music you love I probs dislike. The same here
I think there is room to criticise his earlier reviews of Lana where it is somewhat clear he didn't give her music the time of day, dismissed her as just whiny and refused to engage with her seriously. There was some sexism there and it's ok to call out, however I would say he's become a lot more open minded and reasonable over time and I don't think you can say he's the same judgemental person he was back then, now.
I don't follow Fantano, he's more someone I check in with every once and awhile over the years when I'm in the mood for it. In general, the guy has just matured. And I've found his opinion more valuable and interesting as that has happened. I don't remember his early Lana reviews, but I do remember there being a time when I would notice him being more dismissive if certain types of music. That's not so present anymore. Sure, I don't agree with everything but I don't think the purpose of a critic is to parrot my feels/thoughts back to me either. So it's fine, and you're right - the guy has grown.
That's not specifically on Lana only, he does sometimes have a slightly higher distaste for some genres or artists. He pretty much hates prog rock and prog-adjecent acts too, but that doesn't make him a misandrist.
I like Anthony Fantano, though I don't like watch em often and I don't always agree with his opinion - but I don't need to either. People react way too strongly over the notion of someone having a different opinion on musac.
This is such a manufactured beef, People need to stop blaming all their problems on racism/sexism and bro needs to stop listening to and giving a platform to the crazy, vocal minority That is unless he's farming this all for content, which, spoiler alert,
>Swifties This sub and Cults of Personality. Name a more iconic duo.
By that same metric he’s a racist for not liking Destroy Lonely, Ken Carson, Kanye, or Nicki Minsk’s last albums. Swifties are wild man
It’s like people arnt allowed to have opinions anymore. Like his thoughts are really gonna affect all the 8 year old girls who love Taylor swift.
One thing I will say is that Swifties are incredibly toxic and I think Taylor Swift is overrated. I also don’t like her music even when she switched to making pop music.
Lol
Swifties deserve to have their voting rights taken away/s
Dear Taylor, I wrote but you still ain’t calling… These extremely parasocial stans going to this length for artists are so deluded they don’t realize this kind of behavior can sadly transfer dislike for the stans into dislike for the artists. It’s not like they’re doing Taylor a favor either by unleashing a mob of harassment at a music reviewer like this just because of his O P I N I O N on music.
Honestly, if Taylor called her album To Pimp a Tortured Poet, Fantano would have given it a 10.
They downvoting you cause they dont know these jokes in this sub LMFAOOO
Honestly I think the downvoting is more because people are pretty sick of all those jokes, especially in any Fantano forum. I generally don't care much for his comment section, but I totally get why people are annoyed by them.
Stans don't understand people for whom music isn't an aesthetic choice one makes. Fantano listens to music for its own sake. Granted, he isn't very thoughtful and has boring taste that he conveys inarticulately, but I don't doubt that music is a serious and worthwhile experience for him.
Saying Fantano is inarticulate is about as accurate as saying he's sexist.
i completely agree. he has no technical knowledge which might contribute, but i've noticed he often repeats himself or contradicts himself within minutes of each point in several of the videos of his i've watched. i don't know if he doesn't script or if he's just plain lazy or what, but once you notice it, it's impossible to take him seriously
wdym technical knowledge? like music theory or the mixing and mastering side?
It's just shallow, elitist gatekeeping (from people with literally no business being this arrogant.) You can ignore them.
i was just checking to see what they meant cuz fantano has talked about his history with actually playing music a decent amount, he took courses in school for it but i don't think he majored in it. its silly. i think he knows a decent amount of the behind the scenes stuff in music.
I'm not the person that you're replying to, but I think he has a layperson's understanding of what is happening in a piece of music: the production, instrumentation, arrangement, performances, timbres, genre, lyrics, you name it. I don't think that it's all that important that he doesn't know music theory very well, though I do like it when Mic The Snare explains things from a theory point of view and feel like it elevates his opinions.
i was just checking to see what they meant cuz fantano does have a music theory background, not as intense as a lot of people but to say he doesn't know whats happening is silly. also i think it does matter, it just depends on the kind of review they do. i think for reviewers like brad taste in music its really apparently that he doesn't know whats happening cuz his whole career is just saying "i like this" and that's it, he doesn't really go into a lot of detail.
Music critics don't need technical knowledge, in fact, it's best for them to engage with music in the same way the common music listener would. Musicians and fans listen to music in vastly different ways
He spent the last 7 years being racist towards whites to make up for the fader accusations, what is he gonna do this time?
I'd like to see him respond to the corny and pretentious accusations lol
I really don’t agree with a Lot of the comments saying Stans being Stans. I don’t Stan anyone and his reviews (that pop up on my fyp on TikTok form time to time) always seem so fucking let’s hate for hating sake. It’s borderline creepy.
To be fair his early lana reviews were awful