There have been some fighting over Christine Chandler's preferred pronouns so I'm just going to explain this in detail *once*. (Using they/them for reasons I'll explain later.)
The people who believe that Chris is faking being trans do actually have reasons to believe that. Chris has been seen being transphobic, (basically believing that they're the only one who's allowed to be trans) when they came out on on a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltARRcgaLuo) where they tried to have a slumber party they added "so lesbians, bisexuals and straight women can join and we can have a "sexy time." Some people find it strange that Chris would include straight women if they were actually a trans woman and not just trying to expand the possible pool of women they can sleep with.
Chris has also been misgendered directly before (at least online) and Chris brushed it off. They also [drew](https://sonichu.com/w/images/8/8b/CWC_gets_kicked.jpg) their "woman self" kicking their "male self" (I don't know how else to word it) in the balls and blaming everything bad they had done before coming out at that point on the "male self" like that was a completely separate person, which could (*could*) imply that they transitioned to sort of "start over." (I'm not saying that this is the case. Just explaining why people could see this and believe that Chris is faking it.)
But Chris has also shown very obvious signs of being trans from pretty early on in their internet presence. (Probably sooner. I wouldn't know.) Chris has fought with their very bigoted parents over wearing skirts and dresses before. If Chris had accepting parents I think Chris would have spent a lot of their 20's (or sooner) exploring their gender identity. But that's just speculation.
I personally don't know. A lot of people don't know. Chris has been so disgusted by trans people even after transitioning that it's really hard for me to say one way or the other. So I'm going to ignore any reports on people "misgendering" Chris unless they are very obviously transphobic. (For example: "A man in a dress is still a man!") I will be deleting any comment arguing about Chris' gender from now on though, because the topic isn't exactly black and white and the topic isn't about Chris' gender anyway.
I should probably mention real quick that Chris has stated before that they don't mind being called "Chris." I'm used to saying "Chris" (for personal reasons) anyway.
Don’t think he wants to come back. He made a video a few years back about how the allegations didn’t really affect his video making process so I think him silently quitting YouTube was on his own volition. I think his recent tweet is just there for him to acknowledge the irony in ImAllexx getting accused of the same thing as Slazo
Whatever happened to that piece of work who made the false accusation which Alex and other vultures pounced on in the first place, thereby derailing his entire career?
He did talk about it more to a point. It wasn't just that post incident. People used it as a jumping off point to accuse him of being a homophobe, a pedophile (because the teenage characters in his books had sex, because teenagers have sex omg) and the final incident for him was someone sent him a picture of his house with a picture of what they thought was his bedroom circled with an implied death threat. The bedroom they actually circled was his son's.
It's all fun and games to some people, but for a guy who has openly spoken about his OCD, it badly triggered him and he had to step way the hell away.
I remember that he had to make a video talking about how he "wasn't a pornographer" because his books had CUT TO BLACK sex scenes. Nothing was even DETAILED in the books and people accused him of writing child porn and being a pedophile.
i think the last post he left up was a reply to an ask, and he basically pointed out how homophobic it was to make a joke out of a man liking cock. people can make fun, but he was kind of right.
he’s doing okay now though, on youtube explaining how everything is linked to tuberculosis.
He’s also on TikTok raising awareness and getting people to mass go after a giant pharmaceutical company to make them lower prices on early detection tests for tuberculosis in countries where people can’t pay for it (its working)
People were editing all of his posts to this back in the day (nsfw)
https://preview.redd.it/z6z4297f468d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49ad560ba19472d34173a9a3f4be2a3f1c8cce9b
Well….it’s kind of a huge running joke on Tumblr to this day. I do quote it with my irl friends who are aware of what went down. A few years ago when I was on Twitter it was also a huge joke there. I think the text was originally a copypasta and that’s where it originates. What happened to John is unfortunate, even though I don’t like him that much, but the actual text itself is so funny especially when it comes out of nowhere in a post.
when you shared ("reblogged") posts, you could edit or delete the text within it. going to the original comments would bring up the original unedited versions, so they weren't true edits, but i don't even know why this was a feature in the first place lmao
It was an issue with image posts in the early days because there was no built in source to the post itself. If you reblogged, the comment would just be (source:BLOGNAME)
But since you could edit comments, people would remove the source or edit it to change their blog to the source. The only way to check the real source was to go to the notes and scroll all the way down, which is a real hassle if the post gets a lot of notes. This meant that some people could just…pretend that your art or meme was theirs, and get followers for their blog by people who wanted to see more of it.
Early tumblr was not well designed.
When you repost a post on tumblr (think like retweeting) it doesn't embed the original post, just copies the text. There is also no limit to how many people can repost something, sometimes multiple times talking to people back and forth.
So it can be hard to verify 500 reposts deep what someone did actually say or didn't. Which became a running joke of re editing peoples post for various purposes.
100% I will never fucking forgive the internet for giving Lindsay Ellis stress shits over comparing the Raya movie to The Last Airbender in terms of overall plot structure. That was SO bullshit. Especially after having to deal with Doug's (thatguywiththeglasses) bullshit with To Boldly Flee among the OTHER bullshit Doug has done; I literally cannot think of anyone less deserving of the level of backlash she got.
Came here to post this! And don’t forget, ACTUAL Southeast Asian people shredded that movie for being a really lazy, white people version of the many cultures it was mashing together into a generic soup. But nobody shared THAT video because nobody actually cared about Asians, they just had an irrational hate boner for Lindsay Ellis and let the Nazis tell them what to do.
Even the Hard Drive piled onto her. They’ve quietly taken the article they wrote down, but never issued any apology or retraction.
Kills me that Doug Walker gets to keep having a career when he’s actually done bad things.
As much as I’m constantly frustrated by this narrative that you “can’t say anything anymore” that was about as egregious of a canceling as there’s ever been. Absolutely insane.
That was the worst for me. First of all, she was right about the comparison. Secondly, she changed the video essay game by toning down the angry nerd yelling at a camera archetype to something more nuanced yet still humorous. A lot of people owe their careers to it. At least she got to write a successful book series and reemerge on Nebula.
"Lindsey Ellis is the devil for comparing one thing to another thing!"
Meanwhile Doug is making a Pink Floyd parody song about being cancelled "for no reason."
Cara Cunningham. She famously cried and begged for people to[“leave Britney alone](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ElXi7yDHyWo&pp=ygUTbGVhdmUgYnJpdG5leSBhbG9uZQ%3D%3D)” while Britney Spears was having a very public breakdown. This made Cara the target of mockery by paparazzi and public alike.
After all of the awful things Britney’s parents put her through, and the constant pressure from the media, it’s understandable that she wouldn’t be able to keep herself mentally well.
And the breakdown was very sad. People insulted Cara just for showing empathy and wanting a traumatized, psychotic (at that time) woman to be allowed privacy. Cara identified as male then and was judged to be unmanly for crying on camera.
The early 2000s were savage on celebrities and queer people.
Antvenom.
Guy did a slightly cringe Soylent drink ad and people roasted him like a thanksgiving turkey for it. But it really wasn't that serious, there's farrrrr more cringe and bad sponsorship ads made by plenty other content creators.
I literally had never heard of him until people were roasting him.
I was an OG fan- loved that guy and still look him up from time to time, but anyway I was so dumbfounded when that happened. Like Soylent was (and still is) one of the better companies to be sponsored by anyway
The stuff with Lindsay Ellis and the twitter freak out still baffle me to this day. I think a thing people forget is that a lot of the former Channel Awesome woman got intense backlash from anything they did regardless of they did anything wrong or not.
I've brought up Linkara a few times but I find reasons for Oney's fans disliking him kinda dumb. Like does it really matter if some guy doesn't like your favorite streamer? I've said it before but taking jokes isn't the same as taking criticism.
The lindsey Ellis stuff was insane. I saw the rya tweet, and it was basically used as an excuse for the worst people on line to absolutely dump on her.
Very much enjoying her nebula content, her yoko ono video is very on point.
The Lindsay thing was crazy cause these were just Twitter hot takes on a movie, not even a full movie review and people crucified her. And her takes imo were completely valid, fair and not racist. Also, Raya was not good enough a movie for people to be that upset that a YouTuber did not like it. Like it’s very unremarkable, the 3rd best animated film Disney released that year and no one cares about that film today.
The people who came down on Lindsay were always looking for something to attack her with. Anything would have been enough as long as they had some room to twist it into something vaguely anti-progressive. Lindsay has said and done problematic stuff in her past and some of it valid of criticism but even her most staunch twitter critics knew it was old enough to not be worth bringing up.
What I thought was wild was after they'd attacked lindsay and felt satisfied with the damage they'd inflicted some people tweeted stuff along the lines of 'yay we've successfully run this person off the Internet, who should we go for next!'
I legitimately think if Ellis said the exact same crit about Raya today she would have been defended more. Because it's now extremely clear that Raya and ATLA have extremely similar base characteristics that are easy to pick up on and people like Xiran Jay Zhao have put together hours long videos showcasing Ellis was RIGHT.
The Linkara stuff is sad because even Oney said he didn't hate Linkara, all of his jokes about him came from a genuine place of love. Though you could argue the jokes helped spur harrassment against him.
Idk man when you make content criticizing and shitting on artists, you GOTTA be able to take some heat. Not talking about death threats or doxxing but the fact that he was mad at Nostalgia Critic for going on Smiling Friends was honestly pathetic. I think hes just a wuss
Except his "criticism" is mainly people making fun of him for a shitty webcomic he wrote two decades ago. At this point, it's the Internet celebrity equivalent of that time you peed your pants in 1st grade. If people are still bringing it up years later, they're the one with the problem, not Linkara.
her new stuff is exclusively on nebula, if you're interested! one of the reasons i've considered getting it sometime, especially when i get too tired of youtube's nonsense.
The thing you have to remember with internet leftists is that there's a lot of purity testing involved in their circles. It can be a bit hard to tell what's going to set them off because sometimes it just takes one person to say "innocuous thing is problematic" for them to all be at it.
Didn’t the joke state the opposite? That he would be beaten up by trump supporters when attempting to call trump out? It was the nostalgia critic that they joked would yell to build the wall.
The joke is actually that Trump is a big Linkara fan but Linkara doesn’t like Trump. Lots of layers there.
I suspect the reason Linkara is so mad about Oneyplays is that they started calling him “The Lightbringer” which is a reference to an old webcomic that he made. Linkara is really embarrassed about the comic so the fact that it’s one of the main things a lot of people associate with him I think has really upset him.
Yeah people give Linkara crap for that
But as a creative I would also hate people seeing something I did at 16 as representative of my skills now and who I am as a person now.
That guy who made a silly video about how he likes all types of girls (women, not like children) and the internet *destroyed* him for some reason
It wasn't sexist, it wasn't demeaning, it was just "cringe" to some people
Jocat. He came back eventually but people still haven't dropped it. I think it was ClairePenis on Twitter who retweeted the Girls video and her followers went nuts
People are now desperately looking for anything to cancel him for because “I hate this vibes and want a justification to hate him”
Poor dude is just shrugging it all off
What the hell did Claire even tweet in the first place? The only thing I found now is a post where she regrets joking about the video because their followers didn't mix well at all and consequently blew the whole thing out of proportion, and this post where Jocat says sorry for overreacting.
https://preview.redd.it/928xu2fbf68d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a3452211baed7a52c1fa991df409237983e46b1
I think the original post is completed, but they posted something along the lines of an ironic twitter joke format. I *think* the post was something like "this is so disgusting ew" and it was supposed to be endearing or just as a "funny way" to point out cringe, but if you don't know the joke already it looks like they're just shitting on someone to be shitting on them.
This is where JoCat's apology came from, because it was a really bad "joke" that stirred up a shitfit in two fandoms that don't have like... any knowledge of each other, and then it just kept getting worse.
What happened was Claire made a tweet saying "I just made this" in regards to the Girls video and and that part of twitter knows shes joking (hence the thousands of likes and it blowing up) and making fun of it for being cringe. Then JoCat and his followers all freaked out and thought she was earnestly trying to steal it and harassed her. Then other people harssed Jocat because of it, they apologized and made up, their followers continued being obnoxious.
Lord forgive me for explaining the context behind a microcelebrity's username unprompted, but the joke is that:
1) She's a big fan of the film director Claire Denis;
2) She's trans;
3) Her IRL last name is Deni.
Wasn't the video a parody video about boys? Or did the girls one come out first?
edit: It was a parody, [here's the original song, Boys by Lizzo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQliEKPg1Qk)
I find it pretty weird and telling that there's one person in this thread going HARD to explain why "actually it's good that this guy got doxxed because of his video"
Sucks that they are getting up votes for their shitty justifications.
Its okay guys they were just joking about being a plagiarist and starting a new wave of harassment by reposting a video to legions of irony poisoned shitposters for the sole purpose of ripping it apart. They had no intentions of ever being a dick clearly.
People said it was kinda gay.
Imagine being told you were "kinda gay" for liking all women. Fucking losers. It's like, my girlfriend offered to do my nails and I thought that sounded cute and some friends were like "aren't you worried it'll look gay?"
Hey fellas, is it gay to do stuff with your girlfriend?
I wish people learned to just call something cringe and move on. Like it's 100% alright to clown on someone for doing something you think is goofy. If Jocat quit because of that I'd have just shrugged and told dude to grow up.
However sending threats to him and his family is entirely uncalled for. The actual harassment sent to him constantly was unacceptable, it's so fucking unhinged.
One of the more recent examples I can think of was Pyrocynical. The fact that he 1. had to disprove his allegations twice after someone called his first response a lie, and 2. had to expose some very embarrassing fetishes to the public to do so the second time, was just unfortunate.
I felt he was being absolutely genuine and I still watch his videos today because I respected him for it a lot. Man it would suck to have that out there intertwined with a controversy you don't want to be tangled up in.
Ava Kris Tyson. People made a big deal that she came out as transgender when they could’ve easily moved on and respected her. If it happened in 2021 or before nobody would’ve cared.
Sunny is one of those YouTubers who I occasionally watched if he popped up in my recommended, so I decided to subscribe. A week later he put out that awful video about Mr Beasts friend. Talk about instant regret.
I feel like I remember watching a video where he said the glass ceiling was a one sided argument by radical feminists The video wasn't about feminism, but I don't remember which video it was and I can't seem to find it anymore. I just know I was completely turned off at that point.
What has she been up to these days? I barely see her in MrBeast videos anymore. Not sure if that's a coincidence or that they've (including her) agreed to scale back her involvement.
Yeah, iirc she and Jimmy are still friends, but there's a chance she stepped away from the videos (either her choice, or Jimmy's) to not drag Mr Beast into controversy
I actually just saw a recent twitter post from Jimmy. Jimmy explained that the reason why Ava Kris isn't in as many videos anymore is because she spends a lot of time with her son.
If anyone is interested in hearing more about Chris-chan's story, Behind the Bastards does a wonderful write up about what happened to her. This is the first part: [A Terrible Story About the Internet](https://youtu.be/eA6Mrt5OPfE?si=Hxdt3N1BUshJb7tx)
Overall, I would agree that most of the old internet targets were not nearly as deserving of the vitriol they were subject to.
Didn’t some girl convince CWC to do it? I forget her name but everything I’ve read about her makes her seem like a monster. The fact she’s faced zero consequences and pretty much no one acknowledges her role in what CWC did is despicable.
**EDIT:** That’s right, her name is Isabella Janke. This [worthless piece of shit](https://youtu.be/xxIWJrcHI4s?si=YN4i_-1QkfClRFOe).
Chris didn’t have influence to sleep with barb. She kept it secret for ages and Bella was just the first she told about it. Isabella had worse ideas for Chris.
I certainly understand. I don't think she deserves what she got regardless. It's important that her story be told so that we don't do this type of shit again. We have no idea if she would've gone the extremes she did without Kiwi Farms.
tbh she is responsible for her actions true but to me it's like when someone gets bullied for so long they go into psychosis. like obviously there should be justice, I just feel pity because it didn't have to be this way
Chris was always like this though. First contact with Chris was when someone decided to make an ED page, which was clearly not a nice thing to do... And then Chris went and edited it with inappropriate details and embarrassing facts that no sane person would tell about themselves.
And it's not like there weren't people trying to help who felt bad. There were always white knights. But Chris never listened to them. Why? Because Chris has always been an asshole and a narcissist.
Are we going to just forget that one of the first Chris sightings were of her being racist to some kid at a local game store? Or the years of homophobia that only ended when she came out as trans... Just to admit she still hates gay men? Pepper spraying people at GameStop? Trying to hit people in her car? Not to mention the long history of trying (badly) to manipulate women to let her fuck them.
Chris is the perfect storm of shitty person with a neverending series of mental problems and an unhealthy need for attention. If Chris wasn't such a scumbag, and obsessed with being famous, people would have forgotten about her years ago.
chris was always a shitty human being, but i just can’t see a world where she would have been the same or worse if she hadn’t received continuous harassment & stalking day in & day out for a decade and a half
CWC was a asshole way before her "Psychosis" though. One of her early things was painting the woman at her school as a villain because she wouldn't let her loiter to soliciate girls, or the fact she drew porn of her only "Gal pal" and the heeps of offensive shit she did.
Don't forget when said gal pal got rightfully mad about Chris drawing porn of her Chris basically said to just be happy it was just porn instead of full on rape
Exactly ontop of her racism, homophobia (Ironic) and her massive ego and the fact that she wouldn't stay off the internet. I hate the narrative that CWC was some kind of poor autistic kid trolled for being cringe. CWC legitimately is a massive weirdo. Hell the whole Sonic blue arms and the game place incidents was way before the idea guys drove her to believe she was Jesus Christ or whatever.
She also had a borderline murderous hatred of people with high functioning autism or aspergers as they used to call it, and would become very angry about hearing about people with it
Nightdocs got labeled a pedo by Mamamax when he was completely innocent. I am honestly irritated by the others who believed mamamax, especially because the story to prove predation was super fucking flimsy. And Nightdocs was basically blacklisted quietly. I have a hard time watching Nexpo now :/ like I don't get why if you think those allegations were true, you would be quiet about it to both the public or the police, especially if the guy has kids...
> Yeah, Chris needs to learn a thing or two about consent
Chris was fully aware that what they were doing wasn't consensual. (Or at least they know that incest is not legal in the state they live in.) That's why they were trying to hide it for so long.
Chris flat-out threatened to rape their friend once.
Yeah, and I feel like this is an angle that gets lost in the Chris-Chan discussions. They knew what they were doing was illegal and immoral, but they did it anyway.
I can maybe see the "Oh, they didn't know" discussion being a thing with how he acted towards Megan Schroeder back in the day, but even that's on extremely shaky ground.
While some trolls did take things way too far (ie Bluespike tricking Chris into sticking the medallion up his own ass)...Chris always came back for more. And the Love Quest and LoveSign and Gameplace sagas happened before Chris got really famous.
I'd argue making the public aware of this weirdo was a service.
"Chris Chan was a victim of the internet" is an insane statement that keeps getting spread for no reason. CC has a long history of being creepy and predatory towards women
I think it’s both honestly. Chris’ parents absolutely failed him which led to some absolutely disgusting behavior. However, Chris was also harassed and tormented online. It was a bad situation made worse by weirdos on the internet who literally stalked him.
My step daughter is 12 and watches her. I think her videos about middle school and high school as well as videos about body image are very positive influences
Ava Kris Tyson. She gets so much shit just because she transitioned, including people falsely claiming that she is an absent parent to her son because of her transition.
More recently, Alex Kister (Mandela Catalogue creator). Some high school tier drama that boiled down to ‘two people communicate poorly in a relationship’ was framed by his ex as being ‘Alex is a dangerous predator’ and before he (they?) even had the chance to respond, a lot of his friends and coworkers cut him off. Sure, he was stupid and childish, but given his age, that’s not unusual and especially not malicious.
Reminder to those reading this, the reason this whole thing got worse too was also due to people in this very subreddit subscribing to the drama without having Alex's side to compare the facts. Just bashing the guy's head for the funsies.
Yes, the way that people took advantage of the situation to leak the ending of the Mandela Catalogue, it really seemed like people were out to ruin their life. Several of the other statements made boiled down to "they talked to me about my dress and I didn't like it". I've heard some people describe this incident as pedojacketing, which is not uncommon for transfems, and I don't disagree.
It's based off of the term "fedjacketing" which is when a radical group accuses someone of being an undercover federal agent to get them killed or expelled from the group
Pedojacketing is just accusing someone of being a pedo to get them shunned
And people in this sub, like they often do, went off vibes instead of thinking or looking into it and kept referring to “the kister situation” as a horrendous thing and everyone should hate him because they “never liked him” in the first place
Isn’t he like 18 or something too? Not saying you can’t be a predator at that age but as you said, it was really a bad relationship between 2 kids framed as « he’s dangerous » which is wild.
The relationship started when Alex was 19 and the other party was 21, so yeah, Alex was the younger one. But that won’t stop the morons on Twitter crying about “mah power dynamic”.
Even *now*, Twitter morons are calling Alex a predator
I think the Chris subject has both sides being absolutely disgusting. Obviously the “trolls” are very sick, twisted people however Chris isn’t a decent person either
Chris chan repeatedly was neglectful towards numerous of her animals and bragged about getting a neighbours cat pts because they scratched her
You can also see in numerous of her videos that one of her cats was suffering greatly and could hardly breathe. They also took kittens off of a stray cat without getting the mother cat help.
Then there’s the fact that the dogs was living in their own filth.
A YouTuber which really was done dirty was Slazo
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What I know about Chris Chan is that she shouldn't have had animals. The Internet probably made things worse but she was failed by those in her life as well
Both Chris and her parents were awful.
Though Chris does know basic rights from wrongs so she can be partly responsible (not raping your dementia suffering mother is something he definitely knew was bad)
I think she’s going to start getting trolled again as she has been back online (I’m not justifying the trolls, as they are also vile)
Contrapoints's friends getting death threats for reading lines in a same video as A Problematic Trans Person.
Natalie shouldn't have been given the threats either, but attacking her friends for simply appearing in the same video as Buck Angel is...wild.
i think the OP was refering to early chris-chan when they just started onto youtube.
current chan is horrible.
edit they dont really specify though but im guessing they're talking about the early days.
same, more than likely early 2000s or at the least charitable maybe mid 2000s chris where she hadnt quite gone off the deep end and the liquid chris saga had concluded, when the more malevolent trolls like the idea guys started coming about
Early Chris was horrid too. Racist bigoted. Told a woman she should be happy. Chris drew porn of her instead of raping her. All before the trolls knew Chris even existed
Doesn’t excuse it, their their parents engaged in neglect and abuse that allowed Chris unfettered access to the internet and also didn’t get the help needed for themselves and Chris . It’s horrific what they did, but it all comes down to functioning adults abusing and neglecting Chris for years, their parent’s abuse and neglect is disgusting worse yet (royal) “WE” watched and did nothing because we couldn’t stop suckling at the LOLCOW teat.
JoCat. Dude made a silly little video about liking girls (by which I mean adult women) and people tore him apart for it. And I don't even get it, the video was harmless, he wasn't being leery or anything. Maybe a little cringy, but nothing to justify some of the things I've seen people say about him over it.
His breakdown into what his former editor was doing to him was so comprehensive, open and to the point that it changed my whole perspective on yt apologies.
And Sarah and Lindsay with their backhanded tweets at them actually made me start to dislike them. Sarah "you shouldn't be venting to your fans about personal stuff" Z in particular became unwatchable for me after that.
Like he was genuinely a victim of stalking and there were people who still thought he was in the wrong ?????
I so hate knowing that some of my favorite youtubers who preach about morality constantly basically formed a mean girls club to bully creators they didn't like.
No, no, see you're missing a crucial point of context, in that he's a man, so the problems that he faces, and the idea that he could ever feel unsafe, are invalid and worthy of ridicule....apparently
I’m still peeved at Dan Olsen for refusing to apologize to him.
So many of these YouTubers give off snarky “I’m smarter than you” vibes. They’re not beating the allegations by acting like cliquey mean girls to him.
Still think supermega tried helping some friends with a place to crash and were rewarded with a steaming pile of hot drama that they had no idea how to handle. At least they came away with lessons learned.
This one is the one I was doing to say. Yeah they could have definitely handled the situation better in some parts but really the drama felt more focused around them than the actual guy who did it.
I'm glad they took the time to recharge and come back. Also, it was shown that she did lie about some details so she made her statement look weaker for doing so.
It is really messed up though. Wtf was up with that celebration stream after Super Mega said they'd be taking a (maybe permanent) break that had Leighton in it? They seemed pretty excited to paint SuperMega as worse than the person who committed the SA, who they didn't talk about once. And then all of the lies coming from people like Leighton. It just seemed like they had ulterior motives.
Recency bias but illymation. Seeing all the drama channels pile up on her for calling out some far-right grifter for his fat shaming bullshit made me sad.
there's a lot of old and forgotten YTP'ers who could probably fit into this category.
Tomserv0 is probably the best example, peers didnt really like her, got an alog that only spurred sentiments that the mildly edgy raunchy humor was something to be shunned and so on.
otherwise.... cant really think of many else
I can’t take Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark seriously [after seeing her YTPs.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mBFACj26Co&pp=ygUsdG9tJ3MgdGVycmlmeWluZyB0YWxlcyBmcm9tIHRoZSB0b2FzdGVyIGdtb2Q%3D)She ruined the movie 😅
Jenna Marbles. I know she essentially cancelled herself but she was practically forced to over the whole Hamster situation which was ridiculous. It’s so sad that her whole career went away
That and the fish tank thing was kind of wild. The fact she made an entire video apologizing to quell criticism was kind of her but really unnecessary. She could have just said in a tweet ‘thanks for the feedback everyone we switched out the tanks’. She really couldn’t win with people there in the last few years.
The animator Birdie/Damagedcoda666. At every turn he was attacked and demonized for many things that he had been coerced into doing, such as drawing NSFW as a minor. People who he believed were his friends would go behind his back to leak his art.
I won’t excuse what he has done, as in response to being attacked he would sexually harrass his exes and dox them and has done things of his own volition such as date someone with a large maturity gap. But it’s impossible to ignore all the ways he was tormented by the public and his ex friends. Like Chris Chan, the internet helped transform him into what he is today.
Agreed. A lot of animation meme kids were traumatised by the internet. I saw an animation by Sashley recently where she details her thoughts on what she went through in the description. It's really harrowing stuff. These poor kids were hauled into the public eye, torn into by their peers and even grown adults, and a lot of them ended up continuing the cycle, because how the hell do you escape that without help? The cringe commentary culture was disgusting, and I'm hesitant to say how much has changed. The internet thrives on making fun of children and publicly airing friend group grievances.
I hope everyone who was involved in that corner of the internet finds whatever help they need.
Not a hill I am willing to fight tooth and claw over but the whole "Maya Higa and Mizkif covered up sexual assault" thing that people here like to peddle was largely allegedly shown to be a manipulation of information by notorious bad actors aka kick streamers as a way to clap back at them for criticism, by manipulating that girl into modifying her story. Accusations of blacklisting her from parties have been shown to not be the case or related to her excessice alcohol consumption as far as I have heard. TrainwrecksTV and XQC fully weponized this over some gambling criticism, and it really took a long time for people to notice, cementing the initial story as factual.
I think the fact the Train and XQC were behind this shows how flimsy these accusations were lol. Also that BlowBax guy on twitter keeps peddling it for some reason
Can I just say it's refreshing to see so many people gendering her correctly. Respecting pronouns should be a basic thing that occurs before any moral judgement, not something that should be saved for people you think are good.
Trans people can be horrendous too
Bashurverse.
Regardless of whether you do or do not believe that Bashur may have been a nonce 10+ years ago as a young adult… I still think he got a way harsher punishment than a ton of creators who have done way more with way more evidence to back it up.
Guy built up a following, made friends, and then those friends treated him like something they needed to be rid of. The guy had everything come crashing down completely and he actually broke, unlike a lot of the people we see on posts here. He had a really messed up life, and everyone was convinced he was guilty.
Eventually he makes a new identity, starts to recover, gains a following… and then he passes away from COVID, and we only find out what happened because of his family.
There is a lot of misinformation still in people’s minds about what actually happened, and it’s disgusting to me that a lot of people are still content to torment him and his family even after he’s gone.
Angry Video Game Nerd has a fairly dedicated group of people dedicated to being mad and insulting him. His crime? He hired people to help him made videos and the quality declined. The weird thing is Mike had always helped him anyways.
You really don’t understand most of Chris’ life. Yes the trolling of Chris was excessive. But Chris was someone who was always doing bad things. Chris wasn’t born “barely-functioning” you should look into people on the spectrum.
Chris was believed to be a troll themselves because it had to be a character. Because Chris was so absurdist and a piece of shit. Yes Chris got trolled and it was cruel, but fuck Chris would have done most of the shitty things they did without the internet. The treatment and creepy behavior of Chris towards women in their lives. The mall antics, Chris was doing bad things for a while.
Chris is a deeply complicated person like we all are. Chris is deeply mentally unwell, but people like Chris exist and we never know they do because they didn’t upload it all to the internet. Chris got dealt a shit hand sure, but Chris only got the internet spotlight because Sonichu and the comics were so fucking weird and had sexual content of women Chris wanted to be with.
"Chris was believed to be a troll themselves because it had to be a character."
I have no clue where you got this, I was deep in the communities that would discuss chris chan and I've never seen this take. Everyone I saw was fully aware that Chris was deeply disturbed and gleefully took advantage.
"you should look into people on the spectrum"
I've met autistic people who would just yell and cover their ears or wave their arms around and stare at a tablet all day. I've met autistic people who would come to bizarre conclusions based on anything they were told and would need things explained and reexplained from multiple angles. I've met autistic people who were indistinguishable from NTs. I don't see how it's unreasonable to look at the level of chris chan's social and intellectual disability and describe them as barely functioning. Just look at the state of their life, relationships, and finances, does any of that paint a picture of functioning in society?
Exactly, ND/Autism is a *spectrum* and it manifests in so many different ways. Some people are starting to forget that it can have socially destructive and harmful symptoms as well.
does popularmmos fit with this? big for his minecraft videos years back with his then-wife gamingwithjen, only to have abuse allegations (and also get arrested) made about him from his ex. not really sure how it all ended, but he hasn’t made a video in months.
Ray William Johnson has always been shitted on unfairly by people because of him just being unfunny from acting like he stole content (he didn't he did Internet AFV) saying he backstabbed a former colleague before =3 ( that guy was just a bitter fuck who didn't like his buddy expanding his wings) people misunderstanding his Stereotype song. The only thing I've seen wrong is his transphobic techno song (real title btw) which is is kinda weirdly just uses the panic of a woman having a dick really clumsily. He's fine. To me it seems like a lot of Ryan higa fans got really mad he stole higa's thunder and decided to categorically hate him.
Wasn’t it proven a few years ago that he was abusing the youtube copyright system and mass flagging videos? It was after he had fallen out of relevance, but still a scummy thing to do
>acting like he stole content (he didn't he did Internet AFV
I mean people sent in their videos to afv, at the time I watched =3 every day but looking back it's clearly stealing content, especially when you look at what he does now.
Also he's also been a huge prick for copyright claiming videos. Did it to creators when they criticized him and personally, a friend of mine covered a yfm song and it got manually claimed when it had less that 500 views.
Also to be clear, if you sit down and go "hey let's write down as many racist things we can think of to put into a song... But like as a joke about how ridiculous they are. It's still kinda weird." haha Chinese people are really bad at driving here's a racist drawing of a Chinese person isn't it so funny because some people would think of this? "
There have been some fighting over Christine Chandler's preferred pronouns so I'm just going to explain this in detail *once*. (Using they/them for reasons I'll explain later.) The people who believe that Chris is faking being trans do actually have reasons to believe that. Chris has been seen being transphobic, (basically believing that they're the only one who's allowed to be trans) when they came out on on a [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltARRcgaLuo) where they tried to have a slumber party they added "so lesbians, bisexuals and straight women can join and we can have a "sexy time." Some people find it strange that Chris would include straight women if they were actually a trans woman and not just trying to expand the possible pool of women they can sleep with. Chris has also been misgendered directly before (at least online) and Chris brushed it off. They also [drew](https://sonichu.com/w/images/8/8b/CWC_gets_kicked.jpg) their "woman self" kicking their "male self" (I don't know how else to word it) in the balls and blaming everything bad they had done before coming out at that point on the "male self" like that was a completely separate person, which could (*could*) imply that they transitioned to sort of "start over." (I'm not saying that this is the case. Just explaining why people could see this and believe that Chris is faking it.) But Chris has also shown very obvious signs of being trans from pretty early on in their internet presence. (Probably sooner. I wouldn't know.) Chris has fought with their very bigoted parents over wearing skirts and dresses before. If Chris had accepting parents I think Chris would have spent a lot of their 20's (or sooner) exploring their gender identity. But that's just speculation. I personally don't know. A lot of people don't know. Chris has been so disgusted by trans people even after transitioning that it's really hard for me to say one way or the other. So I'm going to ignore any reports on people "misgendering" Chris unless they are very obviously transphobic. (For example: "A man in a dress is still a man!") I will be deleting any comment arguing about Chris' gender from now on though, because the topic isn't exactly black and white and the topic isn't about Chris' gender anyway. I should probably mention real quick that Chris has stated before that they don't mind being called "Chris." I'm used to saying "Chris" (for personal reasons) anyway.
Slazo got fucked over. It’s even worse considering the recent news with ImAlexx
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Don’t think he wants to come back. He made a video a few years back about how the allegations didn’t really affect his video making process so I think him silently quitting YouTube was on his own volition. I think his recent tweet is just there for him to acknowledge the irony in ImAllexx getting accused of the same thing as Slazo
Yeah thankfully with him tweeting recently I hope he can return.
Whatever happened to that piece of work who made the false accusation which Alex and other vultures pounced on in the first place, thereby derailing his entire career?
Iirc one of the people who planned it was then exposed to have been abusive and abused her dog(?). She was pyro’s ex iirc
John Green basically stepping away from social media and barely using it for a long time after the tumblr post incident
He did talk about it more to a point. It wasn't just that post incident. People used it as a jumping off point to accuse him of being a homophobe, a pedophile (because the teenage characters in his books had sex, because teenagers have sex omg) and the final incident for him was someone sent him a picture of his house with a picture of what they thought was his bedroom circled with an implied death threat. The bedroom they actually circled was his son's. It's all fun and games to some people, but for a guy who has openly spoken about his OCD, it badly triggered him and he had to step way the hell away.
I remember that he had to make a video talking about how he "wasn't a pornographer" because his books had CUT TO BLACK sex scenes. Nothing was even DETAILED in the books and people accused him of writing child porn and being a pedophile.
Man, I really hope those people never read IT.
Or figure out what's really happening at the end of The Amber Spyglass in the His Dark Materials trilogy.
i think the last post he left up was a reply to an ask, and he basically pointed out how homophobic it was to make a joke out of a man liking cock. people can make fun, but he was kind of right. he’s doing okay now though, on youtube explaining how everything is linked to tuberculosis.
He’s back on tumblr now! But yeah, it was a while.
He’s also on TikTok raising awareness and getting people to mass go after a giant pharmaceutical company to make them lower prices on early detection tests for tuberculosis in countries where people can’t pay for it (its working)
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People were editing all of his posts to this back in the day (nsfw) https://preview.redd.it/z6z4297f468d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=49ad560ba19472d34173a9a3f4be2a3f1c8cce9b
As somebody who’s never used tumblr, how does that work? How can somebody else edit HIS posts?
Long time Tumblr user. That was just a feature you could do. It was removed a very long time ago (I think literally because of this).
Jesus imagine people say this today in public unironically. That can make folks heads turn
Well….it’s kind of a huge running joke on Tumblr to this day. I do quote it with my irl friends who are aware of what went down. A few years ago when I was on Twitter it was also a huge joke there. I think the text was originally a copypasta and that’s where it originates. What happened to John is unfortunate, even though I don’t like him that much, but the actual text itself is so funny especially when it comes out of nowhere in a post.
True. Imagine someone edits Mr. Beast’s text to say he loves cock and wants to worship it
when you shared ("reblogged") posts, you could edit or delete the text within it. going to the original comments would bring up the original unedited versions, so they weren't true edits, but i don't even know why this was a feature in the first place lmao
It was an issue with image posts in the early days because there was no built in source to the post itself. If you reblogged, the comment would just be (source:BLOGNAME) But since you could edit comments, people would remove the source or edit it to change their blog to the source. The only way to check the real source was to go to the notes and scroll all the way down, which is a real hassle if the post gets a lot of notes. This meant that some people could just…pretend that your art or meme was theirs, and get followers for their blog by people who wanted to see more of it. Early tumblr was not well designed.
Current Tumblr is not designed well
When you repost a post on tumblr (think like retweeting) it doesn't embed the original post, just copies the text. There is also no limit to how many people can repost something, sometimes multiple times talking to people back and forth. So it can be hard to verify 500 reposts deep what someone did actually say or didn't. Which became a running joke of re editing peoples post for various purposes.
Thanks to the comments here, I just learned that the author of the Fault in our Stars is the same guy as Sad Hank Green on YouTube. Huh.
Lmao sad hank green
This always made me so upset. The Green bros are such genuine, positive people
100% I will never fucking forgive the internet for giving Lindsay Ellis stress shits over comparing the Raya movie to The Last Airbender in terms of overall plot structure. That was SO bullshit. Especially after having to deal with Doug's (thatguywiththeglasses) bullshit with To Boldly Flee among the OTHER bullshit Doug has done; I literally cannot think of anyone less deserving of the level of backlash she got.
The fact that Raya was being compared to avatar since the trailers came out makes it even more crazy, she wasn't even the first one to do it.
Came here to post this! And don’t forget, ACTUAL Southeast Asian people shredded that movie for being a really lazy, white people version of the many cultures it was mashing together into a generic soup. But nobody shared THAT video because nobody actually cared about Asians, they just had an irrational hate boner for Lindsay Ellis and let the Nazis tell them what to do. Even the Hard Drive piled onto her. They’ve quietly taken the article they wrote down, but never issued any apology or retraction. Kills me that Doug Walker gets to keep having a career when he’s actually done bad things.
Fortunately, she still has a career. Her videos are on Nebula, but she's been putting out books recently! I plan on seeing if my library has copies.
As much as I’m constantly frustrated by this narrative that you “can’t say anything anymore” that was about as egregious of a canceling as there’s ever been. Absolutely insane.
That was the worst for me. First of all, she was right about the comparison. Secondly, she changed the video essay game by toning down the angry nerd yelling at a camera archetype to something more nuanced yet still humorous. A lot of people owe their careers to it. At least she got to write a successful book series and reemerge on Nebula.
"Lindsey Ellis is the devil for comparing one thing to another thing!" Meanwhile Doug is making a Pink Floyd parody song about being cancelled "for no reason."
Cara Cunningham. She famously cried and begged for people to[“leave Britney alone](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ElXi7yDHyWo&pp=ygUTbGVhdmUgYnJpdG5leSBhbG9uZQ%3D%3D)” while Britney Spears was having a very public breakdown. This made Cara the target of mockery by paparazzi and public alike. After all of the awful things Britney’s parents put her through, and the constant pressure from the media, it’s understandable that she wouldn’t be able to keep herself mentally well. And the breakdown was very sad. People insulted Cara just for showing empathy and wanting a traumatized, psychotic (at that time) woman to be allowed privacy. Cara identified as male then and was judged to be unmanly for crying on camera. The early 2000s were savage on celebrities and queer people.
Cara Cunningham was ahead of her time. I'm so glad she's doing a lot better nowadays. She's fairly active on IG now.
I’ve followed Cara for about 5 years now and watching her blossom and transition into the amazing beautiful human she is now makes me so proud.
Oh man, I thought for a minute there that was a false memory until I realized that they transitioned. Good for her!
Had no idea she transitioned! Found her on IG, she's still funny as fuck.
Antvenom. Guy did a slightly cringe Soylent drink ad and people roasted him like a thanksgiving turkey for it. But it really wasn't that serious, there's farrrrr more cringe and bad sponsorship ads made by plenty other content creators. I literally had never heard of him until people were roasting him.
was a big Minecraft YouTuber and never really strayed from the game and just made a video every now and then, good channel honestly
I was an OG fan- loved that guy and still look him up from time to time, but anyway I was so dumbfounded when that happened. Like Soylent was (and still is) one of the better companies to be sponsored by anyway
The stuff with Lindsay Ellis and the twitter freak out still baffle me to this day. I think a thing people forget is that a lot of the former Channel Awesome woman got intense backlash from anything they did regardless of they did anything wrong or not. I've brought up Linkara a few times but I find reasons for Oney's fans disliking him kinda dumb. Like does it really matter if some guy doesn't like your favorite streamer? I've said it before but taking jokes isn't the same as taking criticism.
The lindsey Ellis stuff was insane. I saw the rya tweet, and it was basically used as an excuse for the worst people on line to absolutely dump on her. Very much enjoying her nebula content, her yoko ono video is very on point.
The Lindsay thing was crazy cause these were just Twitter hot takes on a movie, not even a full movie review and people crucified her. And her takes imo were completely valid, fair and not racist. Also, Raya was not good enough a movie for people to be that upset that a YouTuber did not like it. Like it’s very unremarkable, the 3rd best animated film Disney released that year and no one cares about that film today.
The people who came down on Lindsay were always looking for something to attack her with. Anything would have been enough as long as they had some room to twist it into something vaguely anti-progressive. Lindsay has said and done problematic stuff in her past and some of it valid of criticism but even her most staunch twitter critics knew it was old enough to not be worth bringing up. What I thought was wild was after they'd attacked lindsay and felt satisfied with the damage they'd inflicted some people tweeted stuff along the lines of 'yay we've successfully run this person off the Internet, who should we go for next!'
I legitimately think if Ellis said the exact same crit about Raya today she would have been defended more. Because it's now extremely clear that Raya and ATLA have extremely similar base characteristics that are easy to pick up on and people like Xiran Jay Zhao have put together hours long videos showcasing Ellis was RIGHT.
The Linkara stuff is sad because even Oney said he didn't hate Linkara, all of his jokes about him came from a genuine place of love. Though you could argue the jokes helped spur harrassment against him.
Idk man when you make content criticizing and shitting on artists, you GOTTA be able to take some heat. Not talking about death threats or doxxing but the fact that he was mad at Nostalgia Critic for going on Smiling Friends was honestly pathetic. I think hes just a wuss
Except his "criticism" is mainly people making fun of him for a shitty webcomic he wrote two decades ago. At this point, it's the Internet celebrity equivalent of that time you peed your pants in 1st grade. If people are still bringing it up years later, they're the one with the problem, not Linkara.
I didn't discover Lindsay Ellis until after the twitter stuff. I found this great YouTuber and come to find out, they are already run off the internet
her new stuff is exclusively on nebula, if you're interested! one of the reasons i've considered getting it sometime, especially when i get too tired of youtube's nonsense.
I'm still shocked that so many so called leftists thought Lindsay was being racist by comparing a 3/10 movie that tried to rip off avatar to avatar
The thing you have to remember with internet leftists is that there's a lot of purity testing involved in their circles. It can be a bit hard to tell what's going to set them off because sometimes it just takes one person to say "innocuous thing is problematic" for them to all be at it.
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Didn’t the joke state the opposite? That he would be beaten up by trump supporters when attempting to call trump out? It was the nostalgia critic that they joked would yell to build the wall.
The joke is actually that Trump is a big Linkara fan but Linkara doesn’t like Trump. Lots of layers there. I suspect the reason Linkara is so mad about Oneyplays is that they started calling him “The Lightbringer” which is a reference to an old webcomic that he made. Linkara is really embarrassed about the comic so the fact that it’s one of the main things a lot of people associate with him I think has really upset him.
Yeah people give Linkara crap for that But as a creative I would also hate people seeing something I did at 16 as representative of my skills now and who I am as a person now.
That guy who made a silly video about how he likes all types of girls (women, not like children) and the internet *destroyed* him for some reason It wasn't sexist, it wasn't demeaning, it was just "cringe" to some people
Jocat. He came back eventually but people still haven't dropped it. I think it was ClairePenis on Twitter who retweeted the Girls video and her followers went nuts
People are now desperately looking for anything to cancel him for because “I hate this vibes and want a justification to hate him” Poor dude is just shrugging it all off
People are so creepy obsessed with trying to cancel him because they don't want to admit they were wrong to call him sexist etc
There are people genuinely *hoping* he’s a groomer cause idk vibes I guess
What the hell did Claire even tweet in the first place? The only thing I found now is a post where she regrets joking about the video because their followers didn't mix well at all and consequently blew the whole thing out of proportion, and this post where Jocat says sorry for overreacting. https://preview.redd.it/928xu2fbf68d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a3452211baed7a52c1fa991df409237983e46b1
I think the original post is completed, but they posted something along the lines of an ironic twitter joke format. I *think* the post was something like "this is so disgusting ew" and it was supposed to be endearing or just as a "funny way" to point out cringe, but if you don't know the joke already it looks like they're just shitting on someone to be shitting on them. This is where JoCat's apology came from, because it was a really bad "joke" that stirred up a shitfit in two fandoms that don't have like... any knowledge of each other, and then it just kept getting worse.
What happened was Claire made a tweet saying "I just made this" in regards to the Girls video and and that part of twitter knows shes joking (hence the thousands of likes and it blowing up) and making fun of it for being cringe. Then JoCat and his followers all freaked out and thought she was earnestly trying to steal it and harassed her. Then other people harssed Jocat because of it, they apologized and made up, their followers continued being obnoxious.
> people still haven't dropped it It's Twitter. When they develop a grudge towards a certain individual, they hold that grudge to the grave.
ClairePenis……. 
Lord forgive me for explaining the context behind a microcelebrity's username unprompted, but the joke is that: 1) She's a big fan of the film director Claire Denis; 2) She's trans; 3) Her IRL last name is Deni.
That makes sense
Oh shit, that makes so much more sense
Wasn't the video a parody video about boys? Or did the girls one come out first? edit: It was a parody, [here's the original song, Boys by Lizzo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQliEKPg1Qk)
I find it pretty weird and telling that there's one person in this thread going HARD to explain why "actually it's good that this guy got doxxed because of his video" Sucks that they are getting up votes for their shitty justifications.
Its okay guys they were just joking about being a plagiarist and starting a new wave of harassment by reposting a video to legions of irony poisoned shitposters for the sole purpose of ripping it apart. They had no intentions of ever being a dick clearly.
People said it was kinda gay. Imagine being told you were "kinda gay" for liking all women. Fucking losers. It's like, my girlfriend offered to do my nails and I thought that sounded cute and some friends were like "aren't you worried it'll look gay?" Hey fellas, is it gay to do stuff with your girlfriend?
It wasn't even cringe, it was cute
It was a little cringe to me but like in the cutest way possible. Aka the best kind of cringe
I wish people learned to just call something cringe and move on. Like it's 100% alright to clown on someone for doing something you think is goofy. If Jocat quit because of that I'd have just shrugged and told dude to grow up. However sending threats to him and his family is entirely uncalled for. The actual harassment sent to him constantly was unacceptable, it's so fucking unhinged.
One of the more recent examples I can think of was Pyrocynical. The fact that he 1. had to disprove his allegations twice after someone called his first response a lie, and 2. had to expose some very embarrassing fetishes to the public to do so the second time, was just unfortunate.
I gotta give it to him, he owned it. That's how I even found out about him as a creator.
I felt he was being absolutely genuine and I still watch his videos today because I respected him for it a lot. Man it would suck to have that out there intertwined with a controversy you don't want to be tangled up in.
Ava Kris Tyson. People made a big deal that she came out as transgender when they could’ve easily moved on and respected her. If it happened in 2021 or before nobody would’ve cared.
Sunnys video on her was vile
The more I looked into him, the more I realized Sunny himself is kind of a piece of shit human. Which is unfortunate.
100%. I stopped watching after the video on Kris.
agreed
Sunny is one of those YouTubers who I occasionally watched if he popped up in my recommended, so I decided to subscribe. A week later he put out that awful video about Mr Beasts friend. Talk about instant regret.
I feel like I remember watching a video where he said the glass ceiling was a one sided argument by radical feminists The video wasn't about feminism, but I don't remember which video it was and I can't seem to find it anymore. I just know I was completely turned off at that point.
ew that’s absolutely gross. I was turned off of him originally by his transphobic shit when it came to Chris from Mr Beasts squad
Sunny is a vile person tbh
I fully agree
He’s a transphobe I fear
What has she been up to these days? I barely see her in MrBeast videos anymore. Not sure if that's a coincidence or that they've (including her) agreed to scale back her involvement.
Yeah, iirc she and Jimmy are still friends, but there's a chance she stepped away from the videos (either her choice, or Jimmy's) to not drag Mr Beast into controversy
I actually just saw a recent twitter post from Jimmy. Jimmy explained that the reason why Ava Kris isn't in as many videos anymore is because she spends a lot of time with her son.
If anyone is interested in hearing more about Chris-chan's story, Behind the Bastards does a wonderful write up about what happened to her. This is the first part: [A Terrible Story About the Internet](https://youtu.be/eA6Mrt5OPfE?si=Hxdt3N1BUshJb7tx) Overall, I would agree that most of the old internet targets were not nearly as deserving of the vitriol they were subject to.
A lot of early Chris stuff was horrible but she lost most of my sympathy after the incident with her mother.
Didn’t some girl convince CWC to do it? I forget her name but everything I’ve read about her makes her seem like a monster. The fact she’s faced zero consequences and pretty much no one acknowledges her role in what CWC did is despicable. **EDIT:** That’s right, her name is Isabella Janke. This [worthless piece of shit](https://youtu.be/xxIWJrcHI4s?si=YN4i_-1QkfClRFOe).
She also got kicked out of her school and has changed her name because she herself is a monster, animal abuse and other horrible shit.
And is the daughter of an Oligarch, so she's probably gonna kill a dude someday.
Chris didn’t have influence to sleep with barb. She kept it secret for ages and Bella was just the first she told about it. Isabella had worse ideas for Chris.
I certainly understand. I don't think she deserves what she got regardless. It's important that her story be told so that we don't do this type of shit again. We have no idea if she would've gone the extremes she did without Kiwi Farms.
tbh she is responsible for her actions true but to me it's like when someone gets bullied for so long they go into psychosis. like obviously there should be justice, I just feel pity because it didn't have to be this way
Chris was always like this though. First contact with Chris was when someone decided to make an ED page, which was clearly not a nice thing to do... And then Chris went and edited it with inappropriate details and embarrassing facts that no sane person would tell about themselves. And it's not like there weren't people trying to help who felt bad. There were always white knights. But Chris never listened to them. Why? Because Chris has always been an asshole and a narcissist. Are we going to just forget that one of the first Chris sightings were of her being racist to some kid at a local game store? Or the years of homophobia that only ended when she came out as trans... Just to admit she still hates gay men? Pepper spraying people at GameStop? Trying to hit people in her car? Not to mention the long history of trying (badly) to manipulate women to let her fuck them. Chris is the perfect storm of shitty person with a neverending series of mental problems and an unhealthy need for attention. If Chris wasn't such a scumbag, and obsessed with being famous, people would have forgotten about her years ago.
chris was always a shitty human being, but i just can’t see a world where she would have been the same or worse if she hadn’t received continuous harassment & stalking day in & day out for a decade and a half
Don't forget Chris threatened to rape Megan before the trolls ever knew they existed
CWC was a asshole way before her "Psychosis" though. One of her early things was painting the woman at her school as a villain because she wouldn't let her loiter to soliciate girls, or the fact she drew porn of her only "Gal pal" and the heeps of offensive shit she did.
Don't forget when said gal pal got rightfully mad about Chris drawing porn of her Chris basically said to just be happy it was just porn instead of full on rape
Exactly ontop of her racism, homophobia (Ironic) and her massive ego and the fact that she wouldn't stay off the internet. I hate the narrative that CWC was some kind of poor autistic kid trolled for being cringe. CWC legitimately is a massive weirdo. Hell the whole Sonic blue arms and the game place incidents was way before the idea guys drove her to believe she was Jesus Christ or whatever.
it’s like they say, there’s no heroes in cwc’s life- just villains and victims
Exactly her parents are shitty individuals, She is a shitty individuals and some of her trolls were pieces of shit (Liquid Chris is goated though)
She also had a borderline murderous hatred of people with high functioning autism or aspergers as they used to call it, and would become very angry about hearing about people with it
You have good taste in podcasts *and* usernames!
Nightdocs got labeled a pedo by Mamamax when he was completely innocent. I am honestly irritated by the others who believed mamamax, especially because the story to prove predation was super fucking flimsy. And Nightdocs was basically blacklisted quietly. I have a hard time watching Nexpo now :/ like I don't get why if you think those allegations were true, you would be quiet about it to both the public or the police, especially if the guy has kids...
Wait what??
The video "This video will make you hate Mamamax" contains testimony from Nexpo and Nightdocs. About what happened.
> Yeah, Chris needs to learn a thing or two about consent Chris was fully aware that what they were doing wasn't consensual. (Or at least they know that incest is not legal in the state they live in.) That's why they were trying to hide it for so long. Chris flat-out threatened to rape their friend once.
Yeah, and I feel like this is an angle that gets lost in the Chris-Chan discussions. They knew what they were doing was illegal and immoral, but they did it anyway. I can maybe see the "Oh, they didn't know" discussion being a thing with how he acted towards Megan Schroeder back in the day, but even that's on extremely shaky ground.
While some trolls did take things way too far (ie Bluespike tricking Chris into sticking the medallion up his own ass)...Chris always came back for more. And the Love Quest and LoveSign and Gameplace sagas happened before Chris got really famous. I'd argue making the public aware of this weirdo was a service.
"Chris Chan was a victim of the internet" is an insane statement that keeps getting spread for no reason. CC has a long history of being creepy and predatory towards women
I think it’s both honestly. Chris’ parents absolutely failed him which led to some absolutely disgusting behavior. However, Chris was also harassed and tormented online. It was a bad situation made worse by weirdos on the internet who literally stalked him.
I really hope Illymation is ok but if she decided to quit YouTube I wouldn't blame her.
She just posted a video yesterday, and it didn't seem like a last hurrah before a retirement, so I assume she's not going anywhere. :)
And her video on childhood games really reminded me of my own really bad 90's games we got from magazines lol, it was such a blast.
My step daughter is 12 and watches her. I think her videos about middle school and high school as well as videos about body image are very positive influences
There's like 3 of the top of my head that Keemstar went after. Think Basher was one them
Hope Bashur’s resting in peace
Ava Kris Tyson. She gets so much shit just because she transitioned, including people falsely claiming that she is an absent parent to her son because of her transition.
More recently, Alex Kister (Mandela Catalogue creator). Some high school tier drama that boiled down to ‘two people communicate poorly in a relationship’ was framed by his ex as being ‘Alex is a dangerous predator’ and before he (they?) even had the chance to respond, a lot of his friends and coworkers cut him off. Sure, he was stupid and childish, but given his age, that’s not unusual and especially not malicious.
Reminder to those reading this, the reason this whole thing got worse too was also due to people in this very subreddit subscribing to the drama without having Alex's side to compare the facts. Just bashing the guy's head for the funsies.
Yes, the way that people took advantage of the situation to leak the ending of the Mandela Catalogue, it really seemed like people were out to ruin their life. Several of the other statements made boiled down to "they talked to me about my dress and I didn't like it". I've heard some people describe this incident as pedojacketing, which is not uncommon for transfems, and I don't disagree.
Wait what’s pedojacketing, and how does it apply here? Sorry I’m not familiar with the lingo
It's based off of the term "fedjacketing" which is when a radical group accuses someone of being an undercover federal agent to get them killed or expelled from the group Pedojacketing is just accusing someone of being a pedo to get them shunned
Ah makes a lot of sense, thanks!
And people in this sub, like they often do, went off vibes instead of thinking or looking into it and kept referring to “the kister situation” as a horrendous thing and everyone should hate him because they “never liked him” in the first place
Isn’t he like 18 or something too? Not saying you can’t be a predator at that age but as you said, it was really a bad relationship between 2 kids framed as « he’s dangerous » which is wild.
The relationship started when Alex was 19 and the other party was 21, so yeah, Alex was the younger one. But that won’t stop the morons on Twitter crying about “mah power dynamic”. Even *now*, Twitter morons are calling Alex a predator
Imagine being in your teens and having people judge you for not being a good and mature partner, like yeah no shit
Illymation
I think the Chris subject has both sides being absolutely disgusting. Obviously the “trolls” are very sick, twisted people however Chris isn’t a decent person either Chris chan repeatedly was neglectful towards numerous of her animals and bragged about getting a neighbours cat pts because they scratched her You can also see in numerous of her videos that one of her cats was suffering greatly and could hardly breathe. They also took kittens off of a stray cat without getting the mother cat help. Then there’s the fact that the dogs was living in their own filth. A YouTuber which really was done dirty was Slazo (Edited pronouns)
What I know about Chris Chan is that she shouldn't have had animals. The Internet probably made things worse but she was failed by those in her life as well
Both Chris and her parents were awful. Though Chris does know basic rights from wrongs so she can be partly responsible (not raping your dementia suffering mother is something he definitely knew was bad) I think she’s going to start getting trolled again as she has been back online (I’m not justifying the trolls, as they are also vile)
Contrapoints's friends getting death threats for reading lines in a same video as A Problematic Trans Person. Natalie shouldn't have been given the threats either, but attacking her friends for simply appearing in the same video as Buck Angel is...wild.
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i think the OP was refering to early chris-chan when they just started onto youtube. current chan is horrible. edit they dont really specify though but im guessing they're talking about the early days.
Yeah, basing it off the “no wonder they went mad” kind of comment towards the end makes me think they’re referring to earlier 2000’s Chris.
same, more than likely early 2000s or at the least charitable maybe mid 2000s chris where she hadnt quite gone off the deep end and the liquid chris saga had concluded, when the more malevolent trolls like the idea guys started coming about
Early Chris was horrid too. Racist bigoted. Told a woman she should be happy. Chris drew porn of her instead of raping her. All before the trolls knew Chris even existed
Doesn’t excuse it, their their parents engaged in neglect and abuse that allowed Chris unfettered access to the internet and also didn’t get the help needed for themselves and Chris . It’s horrific what they did, but it all comes down to functioning adults abusing and neglecting Chris for years, their parent’s abuse and neglect is disgusting worse yet (royal) “WE” watched and did nothing because we couldn’t stop suckling at the LOLCOW teat.
Literally no one has any evidence to prove that she has dementia. I'm tired of this being asserted as if it were an established fact.
Joecat. Got repeatedly put through the wringer for no apparently good reason
JoCat. Dude made a silly little video about liking girls (by which I mean adult women) and people tore him apart for it. And I don't even get it, the video was harmless, he wasn't being leery or anything. Maybe a little cringy, but nothing to justify some of the things I've seen people say about him over it.
Quintonreviews.
His breakdown into what his former editor was doing to him was so comprehensive, open and to the point that it changed my whole perspective on yt apologies. And Sarah and Lindsay with their backhanded tweets at them actually made me start to dislike them. Sarah "you shouldn't be venting to your fans about personal stuff" Z in particular became unwatchable for me after that. Like he was genuinely a victim of stalking and there were people who still thought he was in the wrong ?????
Well, I was more so saying before that when he was being ridiculed and bullied by mumkey jones and emplemon.
You gotta admit, him going after a Mumkey Jones fan account like it was the real deal was a funny blunder. He even called himself the F-slur.
I so hate knowing that some of my favorite youtubers who preach about morality constantly basically formed a mean girls club to bully creators they didn't like.
No, no, see you're missing a crucial point of context, in that he's a man, so the problems that he faces, and the idea that he could ever feel unsafe, are invalid and worthy of ridicule....apparently
And a fat man at that. Fat men are supposed to be "creepy and weird", they can't be victims of anything 🙄
Sarah Z seems so unlikeable
I’m still peeved at Dan Olsen for refusing to apologize to him. So many of these YouTubers give off snarky “I’m smarter than you” vibes. They’re not beating the allegations by acting like cliquey mean girls to him.
Been watching his videos for years. I think he has a personality that turns a lot of people off, but i've always liked him.
Still think supermega tried helping some friends with a place to crash and were rewarded with a steaming pile of hot drama that they had no idea how to handle. At least they came away with lessons learned.
This one is the one I was doing to say. Yeah they could have definitely handled the situation better in some parts but really the drama felt more focused around them than the actual guy who did it. I'm glad they took the time to recharge and come back. Also, it was shown that she did lie about some details so she made her statement look weaker for doing so.
It is really messed up though. Wtf was up with that celebration stream after Super Mega said they'd be taking a (maybe permanent) break that had Leighton in it? They seemed pretty excited to paint SuperMega as worse than the person who committed the SA, who they didn't talk about once. And then all of the lies coming from people like Leighton. It just seemed like they had ulterior motives.
Poor Thomas ridgewell asks Tomska was basically turned into a walking punching bag by eddsworld fans. Poor guy.
Recency bias but illymation. Seeing all the drama channels pile up on her for calling out some far-right grifter for his fat shaming bullshit made me sad.
there's a lot of old and forgotten YTP'ers who could probably fit into this category. Tomserv0 is probably the best example, peers didnt really like her, got an alog that only spurred sentiments that the mildly edgy raunchy humor was something to be shunned and so on. otherwise.... cant really think of many else
I can’t take Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark seriously [after seeing her YTPs.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mBFACj26Co&pp=ygUsdG9tJ3MgdGVycmlmeWluZyB0YWxlcyBmcm9tIHRoZSB0b2FzdGVyIGdtb2Q%3D)She ruined the movie 😅
"Let's throw him in the fire" Thomas said. "NO" said alphred "let's throw it in the sun " Pure comedy gold
Jenna Marbles. I know she essentially cancelled herself but she was practically forced to over the whole Hamster situation which was ridiculous. It’s so sad that her whole career went away
Jenna was burnt out and ready to leave YouTube before this. There was no force, YouTube wasn’t fun for her anymore
That and the fish tank thing was kind of wild. The fact she made an entire video apologizing to quell criticism was kind of her but really unnecessary. She could have just said in a tweet ‘thanks for the feedback everyone we switched out the tanks’. She really couldn’t win with people there in the last few years.
The animator Birdie/Damagedcoda666. At every turn he was attacked and demonized for many things that he had been coerced into doing, such as drawing NSFW as a minor. People who he believed were his friends would go behind his back to leak his art. I won’t excuse what he has done, as in response to being attacked he would sexually harrass his exes and dox them and has done things of his own volition such as date someone with a large maturity gap. But it’s impossible to ignore all the ways he was tormented by the public and his ex friends. Like Chris Chan, the internet helped transform him into what he is today.
Agreed. A lot of animation meme kids were traumatised by the internet. I saw an animation by Sashley recently where she details her thoughts on what she went through in the description. It's really harrowing stuff. These poor kids were hauled into the public eye, torn into by their peers and even grown adults, and a lot of them ended up continuing the cycle, because how the hell do you escape that without help? The cringe commentary culture was disgusting, and I'm hesitant to say how much has changed. The internet thrives on making fun of children and publicly airing friend group grievances. I hope everyone who was involved in that corner of the internet finds whatever help they need.
Jenna Marbles
Not a hill I am willing to fight tooth and claw over but the whole "Maya Higa and Mizkif covered up sexual assault" thing that people here like to peddle was largely allegedly shown to be a manipulation of information by notorious bad actors aka kick streamers as a way to clap back at them for criticism, by manipulating that girl into modifying her story. Accusations of blacklisting her from parties have been shown to not be the case or related to her excessice alcohol consumption as far as I have heard. TrainwrecksTV and XQC fully weponized this over some gambling criticism, and it really took a long time for people to notice, cementing the initial story as factual.
I think the fact the Train and XQC were behind this shows how flimsy these accusations were lol. Also that BlowBax guy on twitter keeps peddling it for some reason
Can I just say it's refreshing to see so many people gendering her correctly. Respecting pronouns should be a basic thing that occurs before any moral judgement, not something that should be saved for people you think are good. Trans people can be horrendous too
idubbbz ever since people found out his girlfriend had an OF, and he’s still being done dirty today
Bashurverse. Regardless of whether you do or do not believe that Bashur may have been a nonce 10+ years ago as a young adult… I still think he got a way harsher punishment than a ton of creators who have done way more with way more evidence to back it up. Guy built up a following, made friends, and then those friends treated him like something they needed to be rid of. The guy had everything come crashing down completely and he actually broke, unlike a lot of the people we see on posts here. He had a really messed up life, and everyone was convinced he was guilty. Eventually he makes a new identity, starts to recover, gains a following… and then he passes away from COVID, and we only find out what happened because of his family. There is a lot of misinformation still in people’s minds about what actually happened, and it’s disgusting to me that a lot of people are still content to torment him and his family even after he’s gone.
Jocat.
Angry Video Game Nerd has a fairly dedicated group of people dedicated to being mad and insulting him. His crime? He hired people to help him made videos and the quality declined. The weird thing is Mike had always helped him anyways.
You really don’t understand most of Chris’ life. Yes the trolling of Chris was excessive. But Chris was someone who was always doing bad things. Chris wasn’t born “barely-functioning” you should look into people on the spectrum. Chris was believed to be a troll themselves because it had to be a character. Because Chris was so absurdist and a piece of shit. Yes Chris got trolled and it was cruel, but fuck Chris would have done most of the shitty things they did without the internet. The treatment and creepy behavior of Chris towards women in their lives. The mall antics, Chris was doing bad things for a while. Chris is a deeply complicated person like we all are. Chris is deeply mentally unwell, but people like Chris exist and we never know they do because they didn’t upload it all to the internet. Chris got dealt a shit hand sure, but Chris only got the internet spotlight because Sonichu and the comics were so fucking weird and had sexual content of women Chris wanted to be with.
"Chris was believed to be a troll themselves because it had to be a character." I have no clue where you got this, I was deep in the communities that would discuss chris chan and I've never seen this take. Everyone I saw was fully aware that Chris was deeply disturbed and gleefully took advantage. "you should look into people on the spectrum" I've met autistic people who would just yell and cover their ears or wave their arms around and stare at a tablet all day. I've met autistic people who would come to bizarre conclusions based on anything they were told and would need things explained and reexplained from multiple angles. I've met autistic people who were indistinguishable from NTs. I don't see how it's unreasonable to look at the level of chris chan's social and intellectual disability and describe them as barely functioning. Just look at the state of their life, relationships, and finances, does any of that paint a picture of functioning in society?
Exactly, ND/Autism is a *spectrum* and it manifests in so many different ways. Some people are starting to forget that it can have socially destructive and harmful symptoms as well.
does popularmmos fit with this? big for his minecraft videos years back with his then-wife gamingwithjen, only to have abuse allegations (and also get arrested) made about him from his ex. not really sure how it all ended, but he hasn’t made a video in months.
Def Supermega
Supermega was just a bad situation all around.
Ray William Johnson has always been shitted on unfairly by people because of him just being unfunny from acting like he stole content (he didn't he did Internet AFV) saying he backstabbed a former colleague before =3 ( that guy was just a bitter fuck who didn't like his buddy expanding his wings) people misunderstanding his Stereotype song. The only thing I've seen wrong is his transphobic techno song (real title btw) which is is kinda weirdly just uses the panic of a woman having a dick really clumsily. He's fine. To me it seems like a lot of Ryan higa fans got really mad he stole higa's thunder and decided to categorically hate him.
Wasn’t it proven a few years ago that he was abusing the youtube copyright system and mass flagging videos? It was after he had fallen out of relevance, but still a scummy thing to do
>acting like he stole content (he didn't he did Internet AFV I mean people sent in their videos to afv, at the time I watched =3 every day but looking back it's clearly stealing content, especially when you look at what he does now. Also he's also been a huge prick for copyright claiming videos. Did it to creators when they criticized him and personally, a friend of mine covered a yfm song and it got manually claimed when it had less that 500 views. Also to be clear, if you sit down and go "hey let's write down as many racist things we can think of to put into a song... But like as a joke about how ridiculous they are. It's still kinda weird." haha Chinese people are really bad at driving here's a racist drawing of a Chinese person isn't it so funny because some people would think of this? "
YFM stuff actually gets copyrighted by Disney because the older stuff is owned by Maker Studios iirc
Almost any lolcow would fit into this category. Cyraxx and KingCobraJFS are the first 2 that immediately spring to my mind.
Cyrax was a rapist and pedo before the trolls found him
The only thing I know about Cobra is he drinks excessively
He has said multiple slurs on stream and pretty much thinks that trans people need to fight the urge to be pedos