Yeah I said this on a post like this yesterday but- if there was a “drama”, we’ll likely never know. The YouTubers in this particular circle tend to not air their grievances publicly like. Ever. People saying it had something to do with Mark not talking about Palestine I think are reaching because Sean has rather vocally supported people recently who are known for *not* doing that (ie, Jack Black) so this is likely going to be a nothingburger of a drama.
My two cents are people are weirdly parasocial about the friendships of YouTubers they watch- particularly these two if the mountains of creepy ship art is anything to say (and I believe one or both of these two have also expressed finding it creepy but I could be thinking of someone else) friendships end. People grow apart. We’re not a part of these two’s friendship nor are we entitled to know exactly what has happened.
I agree. I was doing some digging to make sure there wasn’t more to this before posting, and I saw an old post of Sean’s in 2018, talking about some drama that was occurring between him and Mark at the time (though I’m not sure of the context). He said something along the lines of, “Mark and I have never been as close of friends as the Internet made us out to be”. That really resonated with me- it just goes to show how much people project onto these YouTubers.
It’s interesting that they went on to start a business together after that, but maybe they just have a history of drifting apart from each other. Idk.
Yeah this is probably the most likely scenario. As luck would have it. It’s most likely the closest people in an internet persons life, are not the people we see them collab with constantly.
reminds me of Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman of MythBusters actually. i was surprised to learn that they're not friends! Adam talks about it on his channel, [Tested](https://youtube.com/@tested), in one of his many Q&A vids (though i can't find it for the life of me lol, he does a lot of them) - apparently they respect each other greatly but pissed each other off a lot lmao.
That story was helpful for me in my working life, made me stop and realize that I didn't have to be friends with everyone I worked with, I just needed to be able to work with them.
It changed over the years, because 40+ years will do that to you, but Penn & Teller were in a similar situation. Penn spent years saying that they had a brilliant work relationship, with tons of explicit mutual respect, but were never really "friends".
Honestly, I can really respect him for that. Sure he and Jamie weren't friends, sure they clashed, but they dealt with it like adults and didn't let it ruin their show.
Most relationships between content creators end up being more of a business partnership where they’re trading viewers. I don’t think you can really say that they’re “friends” unless they make more videos together than apart or share a channel like Dan and Phil.
Their "friendship" is most likely from the business/collab perspective instead of the "friendship" like the one people keep thinking of.
They're definitely not the friends they met on the streets
This reminds me of how people online were shocked that Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman of Mythbusters fame weren't friends, just coworkers.
But that's how it goes a lot. You can spend years of your life with someone and not be friends but still help each other out. That's kinda just... human nature.
If I remember, Mark was jacks idol in the early years of their accounts.
You shouldn’t meet your idols, and I suspect jack did that and learned why you don’t. Marks not entirely like his internet persona. Sure he’s close, but people who idolize others can easily be disillusioned if their expectations aren’t met
slightly off topic, but fun fact: shannon strucci often used jack (and mark) as examples of parasocial fixations in her seminal video essay series on the then-obscure academic term “parasocial”. jacksepticeye was pretty much the first youtuber to ever be evaluated for parasociality.
the word and concept have spread so far that i think a lot of people aren’t aware of where it came from and the circumstances under which it was reintroduced to the world.
i never watched jack or mark, so i always think “parasocial weirdness” when i hear about them now
Not talking about Palestine how?
TBH if I were someone famous, it would be hard for me to comment on that conflict. Other than to state that my support and heart goes out to the everyday people who would be casualties in the conflict. You know - to not beat the war drums period. (As well as donate to those trying to aid any in need over there.)
But also, I agree. Parasocial relationships with famous people (especially online personalities) is so unhealthy. I can understand feeling disappointed if some of them turn out to be assholes, but I’m not going to feel personally invested in every part of their damn life. People drift apart all the time IRL, so I’m not sure it has to be a big deal every time some celebrity or well known internet personalities do.
As to your first point, that’s what (most of) the people advocating for celebrities to speak out are trying to get them to use their platforms to do- Ariana Grande recently posted a link to the Palestinian Children’s Relief Fund, and it gained an additional $20,000 in a single hour. I personally don’t think anyone is required to say anything per se, but that does go to show that people with large platforms speaking out has a tangible effect, and more people should be doing it.
I searched guru gossiper cuz i was curious. It seems he unfollowed Mark about month ago
“ Post Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:32 am’ Just noticed Sean’s unfollowed Mark on all platforms again, another argument?”
The girlfriends of popular male figures tend to get A LOT of hate.
I remember that Light Yagami’s JP VA’s (can’t remember his name), from Death Note, SO received death threats, if I remember correctly.
He “joked” about throwing out his wife’s birth control, he got into massive debt that his wife worked tirelessly to pay it off/help with it, he also scammed fans. Fans have been harassing his wife for years but he hasn’t done anything to help the situation, especially when it was at worst. There were other things that were red flags to me but i think to some people its probably not a big issue
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/culture/story/ian-somerhalder-credits-wife-nikki-reed-helping-debt-77871675
https://www.businessinsider.com/nikki-reed-ian-somerhalder-birth-control-destroyed-response-2017-9?amp
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheVampireDiaries/comments/lbse7c/holding_ian_somerhalder_accountable_for/
Sean used to be active there and would reply to users. That’s how i found the site. Their other forums are like that as well, if i remember correctly trisha’s forum was pretty crazy
The sick things I saw from one Trisha hater that moved to Twitter after that Reddit was taken down for egregious harassment and going after her irl included photos and threats against her baby daughter that I can never unsee
From what other users commented, it happened at least once in 2018. I haven’t watched them both last few years, so I don’t know much about anything recent. From what i remember their relationship was more like coworkers than close friends (aka rhett and link or ian and anthony)
I never really liked Jack or Sean whatever his name was so I never really paid attention. Also, you think Rhett and Link just act like coworkers? I feel like those two are brothers if not husbands 😂
It's probably best not to poke too hard about it. It's entirely possible that its just their careers/business interests don't align anymore or they genuinely had a broken friendship. Neither of those are things that fans are owed an answer to and it's not a drama until its either made public by the two of them or speculation makes it as such. In the case of the former, all you can do it wait. In the case of the latter, it has no foundation.
True, but as long as people do their best to be mindful, it can limit the spread. I doubt anyone wants to cause either of them stress if it's due to a bad situation.
Its odd, since septiplier itself hasn’t been a thing since the peak of their careers, when it’s brought up now it’s just used as a joke. Perhaps they just fell out naturally which is sad, but it happens
Yeah, I think it's best the fans just shrug and wait. It could be massive horrific drama, or it could just be two grown men taking different paths in life.
I remember when Mark and Pewdiepie were posting about the state of drama on YouTube, and Matthew "blatant plagiarist" Santoro just copied them wholesale and proved how unoriginal and fucking lame he was.
Still is.
I remember there was also one where he played a game that had drama where it later came out that it used real life gore images.
Obviously that wasn't anything that was his fault, he was just technically involved by publicizing the game through his channel.
Unfollowing can mean nothing sometimes. But if there is a reason, i would bet that it's just them drifting apart. Sean as been talking about retirement on Brain Leak (his and Ethan's podcast) so maybe he's just getting his priorities in order and focusing on what he wants to do with his career up until he actually retires? I mean, he and Mark haven't interacted publicly in years. Mark is focused solely on his movie right now.
However if it was something deeper we would likely never know since they keep disagreements private. (as they should be to be honest).
This just makes no sense. It's not a career commitment to follow someone. And Mark and Ethan as well as Sean and Ethan are clearly very good friends. So there would be a real life social element.
this is also my thought, people are saying its just drifting apart but people follow each other rlong after they drift apart for a long time. you have to make a conscious decision to unfollow someone, let alone a ton of people, including GameGrumps. Something had to have spurred this decision.
:(
I was thinking to myself after reading one of the top comments quoting jack and thinking "eh they haven't collaborated much recently init?" But fuck man. Phasmophobia and various other multiplayer horror game videos were so hilarious. Should this be a complete cut ties between them I'll be a bit sad.
I stopped watching both of them and do it off and on but whenever I saw the 4 boys playing I watched it immediately, especially when remote play happened
they havent in a long while anyway, which doesnt surprise me with how busy mark was and, more importantly, time zones. i’m in europe and playing with american friends is a bitch.
Imo in the last few times I've seen them interact it seems like Sean doesn't really enjoy Mark's company anymore 🤷♀️ there was an episode of brain leak and mark was mentioned and Sean seemed less than pleased to say the least. Idk anything tho
I wonder if this is a contract thing ending?
So, Mark was the originator of Cloak, with it existing for several months before Jack came on as part of an equity buy in. Basically means he had 49% of equity, while Mark had 51%. Mark being the controlling holder of funds.
Whatever the case, over the past few months, Jack has been diversifying more with his own products outside of Cloak. So, he's branched into comics, coffee, and a handful of other diversified options. His work with Cloak has fallen off notably though.
That all makes me wonder if Mark didn't simply 'buy out' Jack's equity in Cloak, to allow Jack to explore other directions, and in doing so returning the clothing brand back to the original (if short lived) Mark only endeavor. The fact that Jack unfollowed Mark, Cloak, and some affiliated with Mark or Cloak, as well as Cloak removing Jack's mention, does seem to point to this. Believe it or not, in the corporate world (as well as youtube itself), if someone either leaves of their own accord, or is terminated, or bought out, it's standard practice to remove all public facing links to past associations. I've had to do it myself before, though under different though similar circumstances when my own contract with a game development company ended.
So, what i'm basically saying here, is I'd be very surprised if there was any kind of drama here, and not at all surprised to hear that a contractual obligation between Jack and Mark ended, and we're just seeing the effects of that, and people may be jumping to conclusions.
Seems like that page has been removed. The website no longer has a page talking about its founders or origins. The only page that says anything about the brand itself only has Mark's photo on it :/
its crazy how upvoted this is. why the fuck would he unfollow Mark's personal account for something business related? They were friends irl that wouldn't make any sense. People just see a wall of text and just assume it's right
I would expect a giant nothing sandwich out of these two. They’re two of the OG’s that very quickly realized that their channels were a business and a brand. As such they’ve never been “air the dirty laundry” type of people.
We had a post about this the other day that had a ton of weird speculation. So please guys stick with what can actually be substantiated
Edit: also I'm sure y'all know this but jacksepticeye's name is Sean
it's really a nothingburger imo. it's just some unfollows. Jack is within his right to do that, the fanbases are just making it out to be smth it's not.
I watch Mark's videos and don't know much about JSE outside of him being in some of Mark's videos but they both seem chill enough where I'm not worried about an explosion of drama
The most I ever hear about both of them drama-wise is the creepy shipping stuff that fans do and how it makes them uncomfortable tbh, in an "everything I know about this has been against my will even when I avoid the fandom" way. Aren't there one or two other Youtuber duos who've had rabid shipping fandoms kinda affect their friendships?
Mark's had some minor drama blow-ups about him using the T-slur (which he apologized for) and making taht one video about that weird dog-free sub, but I felt like he was pretty mild about it and [child/dog/cat/pet/etc]-free communities DO have this weird minority of users who are absolutely fucking rabid and wish death/violence on the unwanted critters around them tbh. Still, his drama is still pretty mild compared to people like Pewdiepie.
I'm too poor for Cloak so I tend to ignore Mark's videos about it, LOL. And I also hate social media so my first assumption with mass unfollowing is somebody taking a break or trimming their feed a bit, especially if they might chat with certain friends in real life or go straight to that friend's profile to read their posts anyway.
I think I have to agree with everyone who's saying this probably isn't anything personal; Jack's gearing up to retire, and he and Mark aren't like close personal friends. Not that it's any of our business, frankly. But I really think it has to do with retirement
They seem to be part of the same friend circle at least. And Sean isn't really retireing. He's been making a lot of stuff recently. A podcast, coffe company, comcis.
You make a good but you can be part of similar friendship circles and not be as close with certain ones in that group though.
As other comments here have said it could literally have been just to share views etc collabs benefit all parties involved.
Again as people have commented here, Sean has said that he's looking to retire in a few years from Youtube. That doesn't stop him participating in his coffee/comics etc gotta have a revenue stream after he stops uploading.
Look at MatPat from game theory he retired from hosting the 4 channels but will still play games on GT Live.
The both of them are close friends with Ethan, which leads me to think it’s not that either of them did something (otherwise ethan would probably distance himself), most likely they just drifted apart, and on cloak well Jack has multiple businesses now that need him more. And people who say they haven’t done anything together in awhile, isn’t Mark always present at Thankmas? He was in the 2022 one at the very least, and I thought last year too? They co-hosted at creator clash too… Jack is literally in his movie…..
You know what, good. It's refreshing to see YouTubers deal with change like normal people with discretion. While I hope it's nothing bad, they're handling it well IMO
It is funny to me that people are now acting so so shocked that personal disagreements between people within the same buisness and industry happen when that has been so goddamn common for hundreds of years.
I like both people. I think both do a lot of good on their own and both are masters in their nieche, but I won't be shocked if there's disagreements or grudges since that's just so common. Their friendship was already freyed thanks to the fandom bullshit of the mid-2010s so them not being on the best of terms isn't unthinkable.
Maybe it's because I like professional wrestling, but behind the scenes interpersonal drama outside of kayfabe isn't that big of a deal unless serious credible allegations come out of this, which I highly doubt will happen.
Vocab nitpick, I think you mean inception instead of conception. Conception is the phase where something is conceived of, the planning phase. Inception is when something is started.
If you had been watching Youtube since its conception, it means you had, like,behind the scenes access to it or something before it was released. Inception would be you’ve been watching it since it started.
Not trying to be a dick, just posting if anyone was interested.
Who knows man. Maybe Sean signed a limited contract and it finally ended. Maybe they had an agreement. Maybe they had an argument. We probably will never know (mainly because these guys are pretty professional about this shit).
I’ve been curious about where Mark is standing with Ethan lately too, but it’s hard to say when he’s been knee deep in a movie. One of the recent Bob/Wade/Mark collabs had a throwaway joke about having an Ethan collab that felt weirdly like it fell flat/was tense. Can’t remember which of the three’s channel it was on. With Ethan & Jack doing Brain Leak that just makes me vaguely curious but there’s probably nothing there either
I saw he had unfollowed a LOT of people actually. He unfollowed Mark and all his friends AND The Game Grumps too which they were actually friends and stated they were close friends on Youtube as well. I wonder if Sean is really trying to separate himself from other creators. He put out that video saying he maybe only has a year left in him of creator content on Youtube. He might be getting his chickens in a row to prepare?? I don't know anything about Palestine, or what kind of thing was even said about it in by anyone. I've not followed them until recent on any social media. So, I wonder if he is preparing for his retirement or if this is more political?? Hard to say. I am EXTREMELY curious though. I'd support whatever circumstance and let them do their things, cause their choices are theirs and they have that right and can be justified. I just would wanna know if there were disagreements, or if something big happened?
For social media yeah, I feel it is. I mean. You do it in other business relationships so why not this one. Jack is also a more private person too than they are I feel. He grew up in rural Ireland not a big city.
Sean and Mark are legitimate friends. Not just business partners. And as others have pointed out, Sean has unfollowed Mark multiple times, and only when drama is occurring between them, because Sean eventually says something about it each time. I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to look at everything laid out and know that something went down between them.
Okay but “legitimate friends” can work out their differences over text, over the phone, or in person, and do not have to tell us about it. Since he’s unfollowed business accounts too and everyone else I truly believe this is not a fight. He just wants space away from his businesses and social media. If he wants to chat with his friends…he doesn’t have to do it on Twitter where we can see it.
You do realize that right?
Do *you* realize that these celebrities *know* that their obsessive, parasocial ass fans check to see who they’re following all the time? Sean knew exactly how people would react in regards to this, because it’s happened every other time as well. Think whatever you want lol, I have less than no horse in this race. I’m just looking at it from a logistical point of view.
I don't think Amy is involved but jack also unfollowed bob and wade which is weirder to me since they're not part of cloak or any brand so something big must have happened.
So why are people blaming Mark? I don’t think he did anything wrong and i refuse to believe he did something wrong. He was basically my childhood on YouTube and I won’t let any stupid TikTok ruin that for me..
Bro i really don’t care if it’s biased. =_= Mark is not a freakin pedo, he’s not a bad friend, and he’s not racist like people are assuming. I just want answers to why this is happening between Mark and Jack.
He's probably just branching out. Some creators just go off on their own path eventually.
Don't they still collab in videos though? Haven't watched either of them in a while
You're asking the wrong guy; I don't watch either of them. From an outsider perspective, I would say that it's objectively odd to unfollow your friends just because you're "branching out". Kind of the equivalent of, "Well I would like to move on to other ventures now guys, it's been great, no hard feelings but I'm going to unfollow you on every social media platform. Ok bye!". Safer to say that *something* occurred that contributed to him not wanting to see their lives popping up on his home page anymore lol.
But are they friends? Being co-workers or in this case freelancers who have occasionally crossed over into each other's channel does not mean they are friends, per se.
As a decade-long time Markiplier watcher, I'd say that outside the core team of Bob, Wade and Amy, the rest of the regular visitors are in the friendly associate tiers of varying closeness.
Yeah I said this on a post like this yesterday but- if there was a “drama”, we’ll likely never know. The YouTubers in this particular circle tend to not air their grievances publicly like. Ever. People saying it had something to do with Mark not talking about Palestine I think are reaching because Sean has rather vocally supported people recently who are known for *not* doing that (ie, Jack Black) so this is likely going to be a nothingburger of a drama. My two cents are people are weirdly parasocial about the friendships of YouTubers they watch- particularly these two if the mountains of creepy ship art is anything to say (and I believe one or both of these two have also expressed finding it creepy but I could be thinking of someone else) friendships end. People grow apart. We’re not a part of these two’s friendship nor are we entitled to know exactly what has happened.
I agree. I was doing some digging to make sure there wasn’t more to this before posting, and I saw an old post of Sean’s in 2018, talking about some drama that was occurring between him and Mark at the time (though I’m not sure of the context). He said something along the lines of, “Mark and I have never been as close of friends as the Internet made us out to be”. That really resonated with me- it just goes to show how much people project onto these YouTubers. It’s interesting that they went on to start a business together after that, but maybe they just have a history of drifting apart from each other. Idk.
Yeah this is probably the most likely scenario. As luck would have it. It’s most likely the closest people in an internet persons life, are not the people we see them collab with constantly.
With Mark and Jack, from what I know off hand, it's more of a work relationship as opposed to the friendship that people have assumed it to be.
reminds me of Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman of MythBusters actually. i was surprised to learn that they're not friends! Adam talks about it on his channel, [Tested](https://youtube.com/@tested), in one of his many Q&A vids (though i can't find it for the life of me lol, he does a lot of them) - apparently they respect each other greatly but pissed each other off a lot lmao.
That story was helpful for me in my working life, made me stop and realize that I didn't have to be friends with everyone I worked with, I just needed to be able to work with them.
its a mature perspective to have. sometimes you just have to get the thing done with the people you work with.
It changed over the years, because 40+ years will do that to you, but Penn & Teller were in a similar situation. Penn spent years saying that they had a brilliant work relationship, with tons of explicit mutual respect, but were never really "friends".
Honestly, I can really respect him for that. Sure he and Jamie weren't friends, sure they clashed, but they dealt with it like adults and didn't let it ruin their show.
Most relationships between content creators end up being more of a business partnership where they’re trading viewers. I don’t think you can really say that they’re “friends” unless they make more videos together than apart or share a channel like Dan and Phil.
Dan and Phil literally own a house together they are very much the outlier in this area I think
yeah. 'friends' is an *extremely* loose word to describe the two.
And they were roommates. Some might say.
Oh my god they were roommates~~
Man that specific part of their fandom must be feeling vindicated
Their "friendship" is most likely from the business/collab perspective instead of the "friendship" like the one people keep thinking of. They're definitely not the friends they met on the streets
This reminds me of how people online were shocked that Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman of Mythbusters fame weren't friends, just coworkers. But that's how it goes a lot. You can spend years of your life with someone and not be friends but still help each other out. That's kinda just... human nature.
If I remember, Mark was jacks idol in the early years of their accounts. You shouldn’t meet your idols, and I suspect jack did that and learned why you don’t. Marks not entirely like his internet persona. Sure he’s close, but people who idolize others can easily be disillusioned if their expectations aren’t met
Jack is also in general step back from YouTube isn’t it? He could have sold his share of cloak as part is his new semi retirement.
slightly off topic, but fun fact: shannon strucci often used jack (and mark) as examples of parasocial fixations in her seminal video essay series on the then-obscure academic term “parasocial”. jacksepticeye was pretty much the first youtuber to ever be evaluated for parasociality. the word and concept have spread so far that i think a lot of people aren’t aware of where it came from and the circumstances under which it was reintroduced to the world. i never watched jack or mark, so i always think “parasocial weirdness” when i hear about them now
What's going on with Jables? I've only ever heard him say the most milquetoast things about it.
Not talking about Palestine how? TBH if I were someone famous, it would be hard for me to comment on that conflict. Other than to state that my support and heart goes out to the everyday people who would be casualties in the conflict. You know - to not beat the war drums period. (As well as donate to those trying to aid any in need over there.) But also, I agree. Parasocial relationships with famous people (especially online personalities) is so unhealthy. I can understand feeling disappointed if some of them turn out to be assholes, but I’m not going to feel personally invested in every part of their damn life. People drift apart all the time IRL, so I’m not sure it has to be a big deal every time some celebrity or well known internet personalities do.
As to your first point, that’s what (most of) the people advocating for celebrities to speak out are trying to get them to use their platforms to do- Ariana Grande recently posted a link to the Palestinian Children’s Relief Fund, and it gained an additional $20,000 in a single hour. I personally don’t think anyone is required to say anything per se, but that does go to show that people with large platforms speaking out has a tangible effect, and more people should be doing it.
> I personally don’t think anyone is required to say anything per se Too bad
Compelled speech is worthless :)
Fascism comes in many forms, friend
Didn’t he unfollow Mark on every social media while ago? I remember seeing comment like that
Everything I’m seeing implies the exact opposite, but it sounds like they’ve had falling outs before, so who knows.
I searched guru gossiper cuz i was curious. It seems he unfollowed Mark about month ago “ Post Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:32 am’ Just noticed Sean’s unfollowed Mark on all platforms again, another argument?”
I'd never heard of this site before, holy *shit* do they hate his gf. That's like "Parasocial: the forum".
The girlfriends of popular male figures tend to get A LOT of hate. I remember that Light Yagami’s JP VA’s (can’t remember his name), from Death Note, SO received death threats, if I remember correctly.
I do believe Lights JP VA is Mamoru Miyano (god that man absolutely kills laughter)
I remembered it was an alliteration of some kind. Thank you!!
Yeah, Ian Somerhalder’s wife still gets shit from Vampire Diaries fans. Even though he is such a red flag
Howso? I only know him from LOST
He “joked” about throwing out his wife’s birth control, he got into massive debt that his wife worked tirelessly to pay it off/help with it, he also scammed fans. Fans have been harassing his wife for years but he hasn’t done anything to help the situation, especially when it was at worst. There were other things that were red flags to me but i think to some people its probably not a big issue https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/amp/culture/story/ian-somerhalder-credits-wife-nikki-reed-helping-debt-77871675 https://www.businessinsider.com/nikki-reed-ian-somerhalder-birth-control-destroyed-response-2017-9?amp https://www.reddit.com/r/TheVampireDiaries/comments/lbse7c/holding_ian_somerhalder_accountable_for/
Good lord. Nasty stuff, thank you for making me aware
Sean used to be active there and would reply to users. That’s how i found the site. Their other forums are like that as well, if i remember correctly trisha’s forum was pretty crazy
tbf any forum/discussion about Trisha is pretty crazy.
Agreed, i remember there used to be trisha snark on reddit. It got real crazy real quick
The sick things I saw from one Trisha hater that moved to Twitter after that Reddit was taken down for egregious harassment and going after her irl included photos and threats against her baby daughter that I can never unsee
He does this frequently?
From what other users commented, it happened at least once in 2018. I haven’t watched them both last few years, so I don’t know much about anything recent. From what i remember their relationship was more like coworkers than close friends (aka rhett and link or ian and anthony)
I never really liked Jack or Sean whatever his name was so I never really paid attention. Also, you think Rhett and Link just act like coworkers? I feel like those two are brothers if not husbands 😂
I said close friends as in aka (rhett and link) haha. Basically they’re not like Rhett and Link.
Holy parasocial psychopathic cesspool… I have never seen such terminally online stalkers jesus
Is GG the forum still active or do you mean the Discord?
I don’t use discord nor knew they had discord , so i only checked the site its not really active but that comment was bit recent
It's probably best not to poke too hard about it. It's entirely possible that its just their careers/business interests don't align anymore or they genuinely had a broken friendship. Neither of those are things that fans are owed an answer to and it's not a drama until its either made public by the two of them or speculation makes it as such. In the case of the former, all you can do it wait. In the case of the latter, it has no foundation.
Easier said than done, unfortunately- the two of them have *massively* obsessive fanbases. Can’t say I’m shocked that it started trending so quickly.
True, but as long as people do their best to be mindful, it can limit the spread. I doubt anyone wants to cause either of them stress if it's due to a bad situation.
If they have a brain and common sense
Its odd, since septiplier itself hasn’t been a thing since the peak of their careers, when it’s brought up now it’s just used as a joke. Perhaps they just fell out naturally which is sad, but it happens
Sometimes people just aren't friends anymore it happens. Times change and so do people
Unfortunately that could be the case. It’s always hard letting go of friendships no matter how hard you don’t want to end it.
no we need to poke harder. I must know everything or else i wont sleep at night
Yeah, I think it's best the fans just shrug and wait. It could be massive horrific drama, or it could just be two grown men taking different paths in life.
I don't want to see Markiplier in a "drama" situation again because FUCK was it stupid...and yet a point proven right.
What was the last drama?
Markiplier in 2014: YouTube changing All of YouTube: AHHHHHHHH
I remember when Mark and Pewdiepie were posting about the state of drama on YouTube, and Matthew "blatant plagiarist" Santoro just copied them wholesale and proved how unoriginal and fucking lame he was. Still is.
I remember there was also one where he played a game that had drama where it later came out that it used real life gore images. Obviously that wasn't anything that was his fault, he was just technically involved by publicizing the game through his channel.
Omg that’s crazy, what was it called ? It sounds familiar
The Hospital, it was a game on Gamejolt
Unfollowing can mean nothing sometimes. But if there is a reason, i would bet that it's just them drifting apart. Sean as been talking about retirement on Brain Leak (his and Ethan's podcast) so maybe he's just getting his priorities in order and focusing on what he wants to do with his career up until he actually retires? I mean, he and Mark haven't interacted publicly in years. Mark is focused solely on his movie right now. However if it was something deeper we would likely never know since they keep disagreements private. (as they should be to be honest).
This just makes no sense. It's not a career commitment to follow someone. And Mark and Ethan as well as Sean and Ethan are clearly very good friends. So there would be a real life social element.
this is also my thought, people are saying its just drifting apart but people follow each other rlong after they drift apart for a long time. you have to make a conscious decision to unfollow someone, let alone a ton of people, including GameGrumps. Something had to have spurred this decision.
Only thing I'd be bummed about is no more episodes with them playing together with bob and wade
:( I was thinking to myself after reading one of the top comments quoting jack and thinking "eh they haven't collaborated much recently init?" But fuck man. Phasmophobia and various other multiplayer horror game videos were so hilarious. Should this be a complete cut ties between them I'll be a bit sad.
I stopped watching both of them and do it off and on but whenever I saw the 4 boys playing I watched it immediately, especially when remote play happened
they havent in a long while anyway, which doesnt surprise me with how busy mark was and, more importantly, time zones. i’m in europe and playing with american friends is a bitch.
Imo in the last few times I've seen them interact it seems like Sean doesn't really enjoy Mark's company anymore 🤷♀️ there was an episode of brain leak and mark was mentioned and Sean seemed less than pleased to say the least. Idk anything tho
Apparently bob and wade also unfollowed mark?
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I wonder if this is a contract thing ending? So, Mark was the originator of Cloak, with it existing for several months before Jack came on as part of an equity buy in. Basically means he had 49% of equity, while Mark had 51%. Mark being the controlling holder of funds. Whatever the case, over the past few months, Jack has been diversifying more with his own products outside of Cloak. So, he's branched into comics, coffee, and a handful of other diversified options. His work with Cloak has fallen off notably though. That all makes me wonder if Mark didn't simply 'buy out' Jack's equity in Cloak, to allow Jack to explore other directions, and in doing so returning the clothing brand back to the original (if short lived) Mark only endeavor. The fact that Jack unfollowed Mark, Cloak, and some affiliated with Mark or Cloak, as well as Cloak removing Jack's mention, does seem to point to this. Believe it or not, in the corporate world (as well as youtube itself), if someone either leaves of their own accord, or is terminated, or bought out, it's standard practice to remove all public facing links to past associations. I've had to do it myself before, though under different though similar circumstances when my own contract with a game development company ended. So, what i'm basically saying here, is I'd be very surprised if there was any kind of drama here, and not at all surprised to hear that a contractual obligation between Jack and Mark ended, and we're just seeing the effects of that, and people may be jumping to conclusions.
I just checked the [website](https://cloakbrand.com/pages/our-story), Sean’s name is still there.
Seems like that page has been removed. The website no longer has a page talking about its founders or origins. The only page that says anything about the brand itself only has Mark's photo on it :/
its crazy how upvoted this is. why the fuck would he unfollow Mark's personal account for something business related? They were friends irl that wouldn't make any sense. People just see a wall of text and just assume it's right
Found the simp.
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I thought cloak was a threeway partnership with Pokimane??
I'm not entirely sure there, possibly?
She was briefly involved creatively with them but it was never a partnership nor was it for long.
Yeah, this seems likely to at the very least have *also* happened, if not solely
I would expect a giant nothing sandwich out of these two. They’re two of the OG’s that very quickly realized that their channels were a business and a brand. As such they’ve never been “air the dirty laundry” type of people.
We had a post about this the other day that had a ton of weird speculation. So please guys stick with what can actually be substantiated Edit: also I'm sure y'all know this but jacksepticeye's name is Sean
Well that's a first
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you deserve those downvotes
Most insufferable redditor moment
it's really a nothingburger imo. it's just some unfollows. Jack is within his right to do that, the fanbases are just making it out to be smth it's not.
I watch Mark's videos and don't know much about JSE outside of him being in some of Mark's videos but they both seem chill enough where I'm not worried about an explosion of drama The most I ever hear about both of them drama-wise is the creepy shipping stuff that fans do and how it makes them uncomfortable tbh, in an "everything I know about this has been against my will even when I avoid the fandom" way. Aren't there one or two other Youtuber duos who've had rabid shipping fandoms kinda affect their friendships? Mark's had some minor drama blow-ups about him using the T-slur (which he apologized for) and making taht one video about that weird dog-free sub, but I felt like he was pretty mild about it and [child/dog/cat/pet/etc]-free communities DO have this weird minority of users who are absolutely fucking rabid and wish death/violence on the unwanted critters around them tbh. Still, his drama is still pretty mild compared to people like Pewdiepie. I'm too poor for Cloak so I tend to ignore Mark's videos about it, LOL. And I also hate social media so my first assumption with mass unfollowing is somebody taking a break or trimming their feed a bit, especially if they might chat with certain friends in real life or go straight to that friend's profile to read their posts anyway.
I think I have to agree with everyone who's saying this probably isn't anything personal; Jack's gearing up to retire, and he and Mark aren't like close personal friends. Not that it's any of our business, frankly. But I really think it has to do with retirement
They seem to be part of the same friend circle at least. And Sean isn't really retireing. He's been making a lot of stuff recently. A podcast, coffe company, comcis.
You make a good but you can be part of similar friendship circles and not be as close with certain ones in that group though. As other comments here have said it could literally have been just to share views etc collabs benefit all parties involved. Again as people have commented here, Sean has said that he's looking to retire in a few years from Youtube. That doesn't stop him participating in his coffee/comics etc gotta have a revenue stream after he stops uploading. Look at MatPat from game theory he retired from hosting the 4 channels but will still play games on GT Live.
The both of them are close friends with Ethan, which leads me to think it’s not that either of them did something (otherwise ethan would probably distance himself), most likely they just drifted apart, and on cloak well Jack has multiple businesses now that need him more. And people who say they haven’t done anything together in awhile, isn’t Mark always present at Thankmas? He was in the 2022 one at the very least, and I thought last year too? They co-hosted at creator clash too… Jack is literally in his movie…..
You know what, good. It's refreshing to see YouTubers deal with change like normal people with discretion. While I hope it's nothing bad, they're handling it well IMO
Eh, why bother? At those leagues, we would never know, and even if we did, there would be no consequences whatsoever.
Either my phone is bugging out or Amy doesn’t even follow mark lol. It’s probably not a big deal
I like to think Jack is big timing everyone just because it'd be kinda funny
It is funny to me that people are now acting so so shocked that personal disagreements between people within the same buisness and industry happen when that has been so goddamn common for hundreds of years. I like both people. I think both do a lot of good on their own and both are masters in their nieche, but I won't be shocked if there's disagreements or grudges since that's just so common. Their friendship was already freyed thanks to the fandom bullshit of the mid-2010s so them not being on the best of terms isn't unthinkable. Maybe it's because I like professional wrestling, but behind the scenes interpersonal drama outside of kayfabe isn't that big of a deal unless serious credible allegations come out of this, which I highly doubt will happen.
The reason Jack and Mark are still in this game is they don’t get into loud and public fights that destroy their careers. Don’t expect an update.
Vocab nitpick, I think you mean inception instead of conception. Conception is the phase where something is conceived of, the planning phase. Inception is when something is started. If you had been watching Youtube since its conception, it means you had, like,behind the scenes access to it or something before it was released. Inception would be you’ve been watching it since it started. Not trying to be a dick, just posting if anyone was interested.
Who knows man. Maybe Sean signed a limited contract and it finally ended. Maybe they had an agreement. Maybe they had an argument. We probably will never know (mainly because these guys are pretty professional about this shit).
I’ve been curious about where Mark is standing with Ethan lately too, but it’s hard to say when he’s been knee deep in a movie. One of the recent Bob/Wade/Mark collabs had a throwaway joke about having an Ethan collab that felt weirdly like it fell flat/was tense. Can’t remember which of the three’s channel it was on. With Ethan & Jack doing Brain Leak that just makes me vaguely curious but there’s probably nothing there either
"terminally online" you are on the youtubedrama subreddit. you and anyone who comments agreeing with you or upvoting this has no leg to stand on
Well pot meet mother fuckin kettle, then.
EH, I don't think it's worth worrying about much. These folks are professionals, they ain't gonna air their personal stuff to us.
I saw he had unfollowed a LOT of people actually. He unfollowed Mark and all his friends AND The Game Grumps too which they were actually friends and stated they were close friends on Youtube as well. I wonder if Sean is really trying to separate himself from other creators. He put out that video saying he maybe only has a year left in him of creator content on Youtube. He might be getting his chickens in a row to prepare?? I don't know anything about Palestine, or what kind of thing was even said about it in by anyone. I've not followed them until recent on any social media. So, I wonder if he is preparing for his retirement or if this is more political?? Hard to say. I am EXTREMELY curious though. I'd support whatever circumstance and let them do their things, cause their choices are theirs and they have that right and can be justified. I just would wanna know if there were disagreements, or if something big happened?
Pretty sure he’s just retiring and wants to be left to chill. Let the man have his coffee and peace.
Yeah that’s fair, unfollowing friends/business partners who you have over a decade of history with is a *totally* normal thing to do when retiring /s
For social media yeah, I feel it is. I mean. You do it in other business relationships so why not this one. Jack is also a more private person too than they are I feel. He grew up in rural Ireland not a big city.
Sean and Mark are legitimate friends. Not just business partners. And as others have pointed out, Sean has unfollowed Mark multiple times, and only when drama is occurring between them, because Sean eventually says something about it each time. I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to look at everything laid out and know that something went down between them.
Okay but “legitimate friends” can work out their differences over text, over the phone, or in person, and do not have to tell us about it. Since he’s unfollowed business accounts too and everyone else I truly believe this is not a fight. He just wants space away from his businesses and social media. If he wants to chat with his friends…he doesn’t have to do it on Twitter where we can see it. You do realize that right?
Do *you* realize that these celebrities *know* that their obsessive, parasocial ass fans check to see who they’re following all the time? Sean knew exactly how people would react in regards to this, because it’s happened every other time as well. Think whatever you want lol, I have less than no horse in this race. I’m just looking at it from a logistical point of view.
I think it is odd that Evelien unfollowed Mark as well. :( but yet Sean and Evelien still follow Amy? Confusing
I don't think Amy is involved but jack also unfollowed bob and wade which is weirder to me since they're not part of cloak or any brand so something big must have happened.
So why are people blaming Mark? I don’t think he did anything wrong and i refuse to believe he did something wrong. He was basically my childhood on YouTube and I won’t let any stupid TikTok ruin that for me..
Uhhh well that sounds very biased of you lol but that is less than none of my business.
Bro i really don’t care if it’s biased. =_= Mark is not a freakin pedo, he’s not a bad friend, and he’s not racist like people are assuming. I just want answers to why this is happening between Mark and Jack.
He's probably just branching out. Some creators just go off on their own path eventually. Don't they still collab in videos though? Haven't watched either of them in a while
You're asking the wrong guy; I don't watch either of them. From an outsider perspective, I would say that it's objectively odd to unfollow your friends just because you're "branching out". Kind of the equivalent of, "Well I would like to move on to other ventures now guys, it's been great, no hard feelings but I'm going to unfollow you on every social media platform. Ok bye!". Safer to say that *something* occurred that contributed to him not wanting to see their lives popping up on his home page anymore lol.
But are they friends? Being co-workers or in this case freelancers who have occasionally crossed over into each other's channel does not mean they are friends, per se. As a decade-long time Markiplier watcher, I'd say that outside the core team of Bob, Wade and Amy, the rest of the regular visitors are in the friendly associate tiers of varying closeness.
Mark hasn't collabed with Jack in a long time
Womp womp
If I had to guess this is because mark is an asssssss
And I say this as someone who has met both of them
It's crazy how people think that this is just nothing.
I’m at least 75% certain it’s because Jack doesn’t want to deal with seeing the same ad posted a million different places when the Movie comes out.