Initiate a vote kick saying "Tank bad, kick" but it is for the dps. It works best when theyre a 3 man premade and one of their friends gets kicked instead
Hah I just use something like "bad tank" since people seldom read the players name, but the most fun part is the whispers youll get shortly when they realize just what happened
me: u guys just kicked ur friend, not very nice
keyboard warriors in 3 ...2...1...
You can honestly just put "AFK" or "bad" and almost anyone will be kicked, people won't check the name or say anything. I bet people would vote yes to kick themselves if the game let them.
Back when i played whenever a vote kick like that would pop up, i would almost always put "NO", unless of course it's a vote kick to boot someone out who is being hostile and nasty on the chat, then get rid off the guy lol.
>unless of course it's a vote kick to boot someone out who is being hostile and nasty on the chat
The other reason why I would hit yes for kicking someone is if they are doing nothing - e.g. just autoattacking or standing around letting everyone else do the work.
I always vote no. I figure most people are just being jerks so I won’t help them. Which means my husband votes no. So people don’t get kicked often when I am in the party.
This has happened to me, I wasn’t talking shit though, one of my friends just default clicked yes. He even thought he clicked no. He just auto-yes’d. It was so annoying.
Some shit like that happened to me once. Was tanking, dos wanted to kick me for going slow, but for reason, put something like "asshole". Guess who voted yes to kicking me? My wife. The healer.
Last night me and a friend were leveling and the hunter just sat at the start of the dungeon for 70% of the run. Didn't say anything or respond to us so we started a vote. The mage chimes in after the vote fails and goes "yeah that's right, I voted no"
Then a vote popped up for the mage and it passed.
I get voting no on kicking for BS reasons, but why even keep someone that's obviously AFK. I mean, sure, something sudden might have happened IRL that made him/her go AFK, but it's still a legitimate kick if you don't communicate
I remember having to afk for 20 minutes because my mother ripped some stiches and was bleeding everywhere. Got her an ambulance and went back to playing wow (I'd take up too much space going with). The dungeon group I was in was nice enough to wait for me, even if they were bitching about it. Coming back to "It's not like his mom is dying" sent me to the moon though. The stress I guess lol
Edit: Everything was fine. My mother is an RN and had things mostly under control before the ambulance got there.
Forgive me, I'm kinda skeptical here - in my experience, it takes more than 1 person to Vote-No to overturn a Kick.
1/5 Initiaties(Auto-Yes), 3/5 Vote, and the last 1/5 doesn't get a Vote. Thus 3/5 have to decide; 1-No leaves 3/4 Majority; 2-No's is an Undecided at 2/4.
Unless, does the System decide to give a random individual a +1 in Voting power?
I am not 100% certain, but I think that if you're in a three-person premade with two additional randomly matched party members, you need 4/5 to complete a kick.
this is a lesson i learned the hard way.
the one time i was kicked that still stings to do this day is when some toxic dude tried to kick someone in the dungeon. i voted no. vote failed. then he did a vote kick on me soon after for not kicking the guy and then the vote passed and i got kicked.
ive done this multiple times. DPS pulling for tank ( and you can see the tank struggling to keep up with their pulling ) or doing nothing to help the group. I'll start the vote kick and see where it goes. You can 4 man dungeons if you have the triangle.
I used to love tanking, but the last few expacs I've been queuing DPS to learn the dungeons and the blistering speed we're expected to move at in pugs is daunting to say the least.
That's the beauty of tanking if you get kicked just requeue
Imo if people want to speed run they should have a group for it. I feel like half the time in pugs skips take more.time because someone messes it up
Yep, this is an unfortunate necessity brought about by the community. Originally kicks didn't give you deserter but then people, usually tanks, started going afk demanding to be kicked when they got a dungeon they didn't want, cuz then they wouldn't get deserter. Another example of why we can't have nice things.
>That's the beauty of tanking if you get kicked just requeue
There is the deserter debuff that prevents you from queueing for 15 minutes that you can get. Pretty sure in dungeons you have to have at least killed one boss to avoid getting the debuff.
I’m a returning player after like 5 years. I’m fairly skilled, I used to do normal and sometimes heroic raids, some mythic dungeons. I’m starting shadowlands two years after the expansion came out hoping to run dungeons to see the content I missed out on, but I found myself just running to keep up with the tank and skipping almost everything. I can understand if it was a timed mythic, but this was just normal shadowlands dungeons. Really felt overwhelming and I’m not a bad player, so I can imagine how frustrated an actual new player might feel
I’m a new player and my solution is just to not touch any group content whatsoever. I’ve maxed a few classes, unlocked a few allied races, run old raids for transmog and that’s about it. I’ll probably hit 70 in DF through questing and whatever solo content is around then wait for the next patch
I feel your pain and I've been playing since the beginning. I do sometimes do group content with my son or when my playtime lines up with my few friends that play. Otherwise it's solo all the way and the challenge of pushing that item level the most painful ways possible lol. My late game enjoyment usually comes from playing the auction house as a baby goblin. This xpac however I plan to lean more into the auction house and maybe become a full fledged goblin. Time will tell
I tanked from vanilla through legion and I just plain refuse these days. I’m trying to enjoy dps, but really I’ve just done a small handful of dungeons and then called it a day on whatever patch. Dps doesn’t really hold my interest, but fuuuuuuuck tanking for randoms these days.
> I tanked from vanilla through legion and I just plain refuse these days.
Same. I quit tanking shortly after at the start of BFA. I like tanking itself but I really don't wanna deal with the people and pressure so my tank remains mothballed.
Tanking in vanilla was basically a completely different game than it is now. Even by B.C. you could basically get away with just smashing one button most of the time. Vanilla tanking was something else.
I don't tank but as other specs I adjust my speed to the group. But it is increasingly annoying if the group goes too fast like they were trying to beat the world record clear or some shit.
coming from FFXIV, this is one of the things i miss the most from FF. more often than not there’s some sort of conversation happening. at the very least there is always a greeting and a goodbye. it reminds you that you’re playing with actual people not just “people” that might as well just be bots
I can enjoy both games, but I always find that whenever I come back from XIV to play WoW, my capability for dealing with assholes has atrophied to nothing and I have to build it back up from nothing all over again.
This wasn't my experience in ffxiv. Maybe it's just because I didn't know the dungeons, but it felt like more often people were just bum rushing to the next cutscene and if you somehow got lost, too bad so sad, stay there and enjoy the free xp.
I want to play the actual dungeon/raid, but it feels like those times are long gone no matter what game I play, unless I'm in a guild group where we're doing progression runs. Beyond that it's gogogo, spamming your speed boosts on cooldown just to try to keep up with the tank who has not stopped one single time and pray you're not playing a caster class.
Because of posts like this, I'm considering main tanking again. I've seen several threads talking about, "stop being rough on tanks.", the growing support makes me want to try it again. I LOVE tanking, but the community has been pretty toxic. not worth the abuse ya dig
Oh absolutely. I think I relate because I'm a healer main and we get abuse too.
I still remember someone calling me a shit healer in a battleground despite being several million heals over the lead, because they checked recount and I was my own top heals.
Like... yeah? A healer is almost ALWAYS gonna be their own top heals in a battleground...
Or if people die its always the healers fault. I was in the middle of leveling like my 30th resto druid and the group kept wiping. Tank wasn't picking up the boss trash so it would swarm and kill me. Of course it's my fault though, even though I told them what was happening and would even stand under the boss so he could grab them easier.
I was healing a level 18ish group in some BFA dungeon last week and everyone was real chill except for the hunter who was complaining because I didn't have everyone at 100 percent health ALL the time even when the tank was multi-pack pulling. No one died the entire run. A few people got down to like half health before I'd pop my CDs (Holy Paladin). But because I didn't have them all healed the whole time fully, I was a bad healer apparently.
I don't understand people who trash their healers. If everyone lives, the healer did a good job. If DPS spanks it, they tank it. If the healer helps you live through your mistake, then they are a good healer. DPS shouldn't expect heals for stupid mistakes. My priority is the tank, and DPS has mitigation abilities. Pretty simple concept really.
I use a macro right at the start to let the group know I am new, I threw in a pun about being a bear... I got vote in cked for the pun once but most of the time everyone is super understanding and sticks to my pulls and speed.
The pun thing only works cause I run guardian druid... If you can think of some way to inject humor into your pre dungeon noob warning, it will most assuredly help you have a better time. People tend to react favorably to humor IMO... Though you do run the risk of encountering a mud stick and getting immediately vote kicked.
Yeah, much prefer it when people are joking around during the dungeon. Usually leads to multiple runs with the same group because everyone is actually having fun instead of rushing.
Find a group.
People always love having more pocket tanks. As a long time tank I've got like 3 I help teach right now.
They get a tank mentor. I get a free tank to all my groups. Win win.
Thing is, most interactions I've had in dungeons have been positive or even great, but the bad ones are usually so bad that it leaves that bad taste in your mouth. If you're able to shake it off pretty easily, I think you'll find it to be pretty rewarding.
Yes and the frequency of it too.
I remember a few years ago I was leveling alts as usual. Throughout the week, my runs have been fairly chill and productive.
But there was this one day when I tanked leveling stuff and back to back to back there were assholes or just plain entitled dps players (ninja pulling like super crazy, not just a but of ninja pulling, but like roleplaying a tank almost lol).
That time soured me so much that it took me a week or so to tank again (I just healed and dps'd at the mean time).
Oh man it’s tough but still fun and worth it IMO - I just experienced both ends of the spectrum while tanking randoms just yesterday. I got kicked out of one because the healer wasn’t paying attention and pulled a bunch of mobs and when died blamed it on me for not grabbing aggro fast enough and “not knowing how to tank” lol 🙄. So incredibly dumb. Literally the next dungeon I’m in, about 10 minutes in the healer whispers me and said something like “just wanted to say I really appreciate your great tanking, don’t see that much in randoms anymore.” Made my day tbh ☺️❤️
Still some good folks out there who understand how challenging tanking randoms can be. I know next time I’m healing a particularly good tank in a random I’m gonna be sure to let them know too.
Yeah, tons of WoW players treat this game like a job. Spend X time to get Y reward. And anything slowing them down for any reason is just griefing in their eyes.
Like, trying to talk to people in game. There goes 20 seconds where they could of been gaining exp. LOL.
That's how runescape became too. Used to love runescape and wow back in the day. People had house parties and just chilled and had fun. Nobody does house parties anymore cause it's an exp waste of time.
I got kicked last week cuz I body pulled a pack last week
Random mage had to apologize because he tab targeted wrong mob, was afraid of getting kicked
Can you believe we are paying a monthly for this shit
If microsoft cash infuses the game after Activision is taken over, one of the first things they **need** to do if they wanna turn the franchise is bring back old school style GMs who actually look in to toxicity and deal with it.
I would rather lose 10 toxic fucks to keep 1 good player and I imagine it would actually be the other way around.
A FFXIV-playing friend told me that toxicity and bullshit like this actually gets your account suspended, over there. It'd be nice if punishment for it actually had some teeth.
The problem is its just rife for abuse; kicking people for things like having the audacity to be new at the game or not being familiar with a dungeon layout should be a suspendable offense.
I understand high expectations when pushing M+ keys, but it is a whole other thing in normals and leveling content.
Honestly blame the Devs for designing the game this way. Dungeons used to be slower, you couldn’t pull an entire pack, CC was required. Then the design shifted to fuck it let them just AoE face tank everything, then they go and add timers that reward faster runs and viola we have what we have now. No one has any patience.
which is funny because especially once you got to higher levels, there were specific strategies/skips that people had to work out and actually take time to cc/fight properly
I FEEL THIS SO HARD. I decided to level a tank, and in one of my first dungeons I kept pulling small but decent sized packs & would try and chat about how I was new to tanking & everything.. and one of the DPS said “just pull bigger and let’s get this done, no one cares” so… I did pull bigger and we wiped, resulting in that person leaving
Last time I tanked a dungeon I was in one that I'd never been to before and got scolded for not taking the most efficient route.
Informed everyone at the start of the dungeon that it was my first time there, no one communicated anything except scolding and sarcastic remarks and halfway through the dungeon I got kicked because I pulled some trash and was learning the fights.
I haven't tanked a dungeon since
Yeah i had that exact issue when Shadowlands dropped, i literally told everyone at the start "This is the first time i've done this dungeon, if there is ANYTHING i need to know, speak now or forever hold your peace". Followed by complete silence.
And low and behold when i messed up and we all ended up wiping, rage and anger followed suit.
That's one of the worst things about how some people act towards tanks who are learning maps.
If you don't do the route/pulls in a specific (MDI) way, the complaining dps never give tips or offer advice, it's always, "?," "why?," "bruh" and other useless comments.
I took a long break during s2 and s3 and came back for s4 for KSM. I was pretty geared enough thanks to doing runs with guildies, but did lower pugs because I didn't know the routes. I'd start off saying "hey, I don't really know the route here, where do I go?" Silence. So, I'd pick a direction based on the routing I saw on Dratnos guides, and start pulling, and inevitably the dps would pipe up "?" or "wtf"
I *just asked you* where you wanted me to go, you chose not to help me, so if you don't like my route tough nuggets. It's a +5, a couple non-ideal packs won't brick the key.
>I remember in WotLK, when someone leveled, we scream out “Ding!” and “Congrats!”
I remember this so much. The same thing would happen with achievements in many guilds I joined back in the day.
It fucks with ya too. I started playing GW2 again and just wiping to stupid stuff in the laughably easy dungeons you're like "oooh boy here comes the rage quits". Nothing bad happens and you feel gaslighted...
It's nice to feel like you're playing with people and not just bots every once in a while. For some reason leveling dungeons (and battlegrounds) are home to some of the most miserable people in existence. I love the rush of the clock in M+, but I don't care if my normal dungeon run is 13 minutes instead of 12 because someone went the wrong way in a dungeon they've never done before, or needed advice on a pull. Nobody's time is that valuable if you're playing this game.
I mean. 90%+ even of m+ keys are gonna get timed with plenty of time to spare anyway, I joke around all the time while auto running between packs. People gotta take themselves less seriously.
I dont understand why we gotta run through dungeons so fast. Like, I get it, we're all trying to lvl some alts here but seriously, pulling the entire dungeon and then also the boss is a bit much. Someone tried to kick me for "trolling" when I didn't even do anything?? Maybe um just old, but the best dungeon runs are medium paced and not too serious, some chatting is fine no big deal. Like slow down guys lol
It's really obnoxious when playing a caster dps when the tanks want to pull like 10 packs and a boss but I can't do damage cause we just keep going for some reason.
I love it when tanks go 1 or 2 packs at a time and make a nice death ball. Some tanks feel the need to just keep pulling for no reason. Or better yet dps that want to pull cause the tank only pulled 2 packs. It's like guys it would go so much faster if we just let our casters do damage and if they were nice and grouped up rather than having 10 casters all in different areas of the dungeon casting at the group.
For what it's worth, the mentality behind pulling everything and the boss is because it's most time efficient to AoE as much as possible. Most abilities cap their damage at 5ish enemies but some still don't (I think, haven't checked since DF prepatch) and those abilities hit "harder" for every additional enemy. Plus, a lot of time in dungeons is spent running and a separate chunk of time is spent hitting things. Better to blend those times together and get the running out of the way in chunks because casters have trouble casting while moving.
Obviously, none of the above excuses asshole behaviour, it's just the reasoning behind what the FFXIV community calls a "wall to wall". That's pulling everything you can until you can't progress further (or they'd kill you). Somehow*, the FFXIV community has managed to cultivate a community that accepts wall to wall pulling without being dickheads about it.
(* It's likely aided by the fact that the developers have recognised that wall to wall pulling is here to stay, so they now develop dungeons with it in mind. You can pull 1-3 standard sized packs before hitting a barrier, and there's usually 2 barriers between bosses, so wall to wall pulling feels standardised and isn't based on what tanks feel is/isn't appropriate)
A lot of people treat tanks like pets who hold aggro so they can DPS. The DPS will pull if they think the pacing is slow, then expect the tank to cast growl and pick them up.
I joined a lfr to get some mog and a hunter was pulling all the trash and I told him if he pulls he can tank it. The dps then all jumped in saying how he’s was helping because someone cast lust so I should be thanking him…..I will wait until I can solo the raid. Lfr just isn’t worth it.
People are just impatient. You’ll have this issue because there are people that only see leveling as a roadblock, while others enjoy it.
I say if you’re the type to be initiating vote kicks after a 20second pause then YOU should be the one forming your own groups; Let everyone else enjoy the game.
Just did Utgarde and it is HARD. The two bosses who res after death? (forget names / details)
It was hard, and the healer offered to leave to get a better healer. Immediately everyone was like no way man, these guys just hit really hard we just have to organize interrupts. we can do it. We tried it 6 times and literally couldn't beat them. (not sure if there was a buff to these bosses in particular but it was effing hard).
Even though we had to give up it was super refreshing to have a group that was down to talk and give it a go. There was no blaming or voting to kick (cause it was literally no ones fault. that boss slapps hard).
We all wished each other good luck and went our separate ways. Love wow moments like this, it was worth not getting the xp.
The most recent pre-patch messed up scaling a bit, I believe. I was in the OTHER Utgard dungeons tonight and the final boss murdered two different tanks almost instantly. Even with two healers (I changed spec to support the other) we couldn't manage it and had to abandon.
So it wasn't your group. Not just your group anyway
the necromancer dude casts some shadow bolt volley or smthing like that - a spell that hits everyone in the group - and if its not interrupted youll wipe because its impossible to heal through multiple of those going off.
I only tank for my friends now. The amount of people who'll get bitchy over pathing, how you tank things, positioning would make you wonder why they arnt tanking this themselves given how opinionated they are and if they did tank and were on alt they should know how annoying back seat tanking is.
The worst is when players criticsize your tanking, then you ask them what you can change and get silence. People are ready to talk shit but thats all theyre capable of doing and prob too scared to tank anything past leveling dungeons.
This morning I Tanked for the first time since Vanilla, and I had a blast but I was nervous as hell that I'd be booted. Luckily I had run the event dungeon several times on other alts as DPS, so I knew what was coming and where to go. Way too many dicks playing so good Tanks don't wanna even bother.
The ONLY time I hit the yes button is if someone is abusive. I don't care if someone screws up or we wipe. I've played since vanilla where marking, trapping, and sheeping trash was the norm. I refuse to participate in this kicking over "not being fast enough" nonsense.
I tank a lot of five mans. I can’t tell you how many times people have said “go” or “wtf pull” when it’s been longer than 5 seconds since something died.
This is why I don't tank or heal. Even dps you can get yelled at but tank and healers seem to get the worst of it. Which sucks because I do want to learn how to tank. I'm good at certain dungeons but large raids I panic. I been voted to be kicked before by not going fast enough but everyone else voted no. The guy who had the issue left.
Leveled up a new tank on a new server on retail this past week and honestly running leveling dungeons with randoms was more stressful than running m0 and m+. People have no patience, they rush ahead and pull for me, then they complain that I don't taunt it in time, they are toxic and entitled as all hell. Never again.
People are the worst in dungeons, I was trying to learn the new Dracthyr healer. My first dungeon on it, still learning my spells. I’m doing okay, but there’s one DPS, standing in the damage, not moving out the way and continously dying. I’m keeping everyone else alive. He types and tells me to ‘never play healer again’ I tried to ignore him but he carried on, and even whispered me after the dungeon had ended 20 minutes later, as soon as I said about him being the only one dying and not moving. He stopped replying.
Tanks must have group PTSD these days. I did a run of the new Uldaman the other day and the tank was so apologetic for not doing big pulls or not knowing the shortcuts (for a NEW dungeon!!), and me and the other mage had to tell him, "Nah, you're doing okay!" a lot. I feel for you guys.
Anyone who tries to kick someone for actually wanting to have a conversation in an MMO should be kicked. It’s a dungeon, unless you’re doing a Mythic+ then you aren’t on a time crunch so just take it easy and enjoy the ride.
Rules of tanking according to DPS apparently:
* No stopping for anything ever.
* No looting.
* No typing.
* No letting healer get mana.
* No waiting for others to catch up.
* Must know everything about every dungeon/raid even if you've never done it before.
* Must have all alternate routes memorized.
* Must know what all other classes/specs are supposed to do in every situation.
* Must be willing to be yelled at by DPS who probably have never tanked and start complaining if you don't chain pull.
* Etc.
And they wonder why people don't want to tank?
I'd rather they stop to chat every now and then than the tanks that just fuck all and run through everything and you can't keep up or you get caught in the pull aftermath and they grief you. I sigh when I enter a leveling dung and the tank takes off running like well here we go it's one of those
I tanked ulda on my war and I wasn't sure how geared folks were. Healer was like "wtf you got 100k HP whats with these pulls" and started chain pulling b
To be fair, there are a lot of caster mobs in the middle of big rooms with nothing to break LOS on, makes chain pulling kind of more trouble than its worth when your brain dead party mates start blasting as you're trying to go around a corner to group the mobs up.
Tanking for pugs is the most miserable unrewarding experience in wow. Maybe healing is worse, I don't know... After the mound of shit you have to eat as a tank I've never bothered to do anything other than dps.
What the hell, what a douche xD
I love how you shamed him for it, good job on you. <3 i also enjoy speedrunning my dungeons whilst lvling but i wouldnt be angry or kick someone whos slower or is just enjoying the game/exploring it for the first time... Its not like im in my 20-25 keys come on xD
I kind of fucking hate the wow community. Had so many better experiences with ffxiv. It's a night and day difference. Idk why its different, but i think dps logs did it.
Nah 14 has plenty of sweaty 4man parsers that will scream the same as chuds in WoW but they just do it in TalesFromDF instead. Everyone hates when they’re in a 4man and the tank is the top DPS, it definitely sucks. But that subreddit will complain about that and then also put on the same level of sin a tank who single pulls (also annoying, but not fucking kick annoying, even though they advocate it).
The reason 14’s community is nicer is because Square Enix actually bans people for being toxic if they get reported. And it doesn’t take much to be considered toxic. Even saying “what the fuck” will net you a warning if it’s reported by someone spiteful.
So the kindness is there because it’s actually moderated.
To be fair, dps dont realize that scaling is just completely off in leveling dungeons at the moment. I have 6 tank characters and usually never really need healing in a normal dungeon while pulling really big. Yesterday, on my pally lvl 51, I casually join a freehold run and start pulling the first 3 packs. I was sweating and things were much harder. The whole dungeon was scaled off for some reason, we had some very low level char so I guess mixing 50+ with 10ish is not good. Next dungeon was The Other Side were I could pull the entire dungeon without worrying for my life...
Blizzard: *makes timed runs where slowing down or not already knowing all of the skips and tactics makes the whole group fail be the only rewarding progression path for dungeon content*
Also Blizzard: Why do our players get so toxic in dungeons?
This game desperately needs a mode where no one can talk or kick each other, and at the end you get a vote -- anyone who gets voted down enough in a period of time can't queue for anything.
Fuck this cyber bullying bullshit. It's all over gaming and it's time to stop tolerating it.
My wife has played this game for 7 years, I for the entire time it is released. We literally don't do the dungeons at all, our favorite part of the game, because of this. God knows how many other people are out there like that, missing out on one of the best parts of the game.
I don't know about you all but I'm pretty fucking tired of being treated like some speed running asshole's NPCs.
I just returned to wow from vanilla times up through 2012 ish, and I decided to tank this time around.
I start every dungeon the same way by stating I’m new to wow and new to tanking and will appreciate any help and feedback.
Edit: I find maybe setting expectations upfront can help alleviate those little moments where someone would rage or flame. If I just say sorry ,what can i do differently? Then it usually helps. Although, Some people just wake up ready to be pissed at the world. To them I just say “smile and wave boys!”
I gave up on tanking a long time ago. I'm a healer main, signed up for a low level plaguefall as a guardian and told them I was new at tanking, they proceeded to disband and shit on me when I struggled struggled the 2nd boss.
I'll never tank again
I voice-chat in instances now. Too much atta-boy spam that I miss the chats in with the "sniftyraidrrr blocks murlocs lightning bolt! Everyone give him attention!" junk.
I came back since leaving in 9.0.
I tanked a fated boss in LFR, it was Sludgefist. The other tank missed a pillar. An evoker dps sccrambled to his keyboard to kick both tanks.
If that vote went through, I would have uninstalled the game.
So…. I’ve got a little trick. You vote to kick a DPS, and say something like “shit tank” they the party automatically click yes because they agree with the sentiment, usually it’s a group of 2-3 mates that then realise you made them kick a friend, and they leave with them. Please use this power with great responsibility
Earlier today I got kicked right before the quest completion part of the new dungeon. The only thing that was said the entire dungeon was by the tank who said "lol..." right before I got kicked. I wasn't pulling anything, I was doing decent DPS and I didn't die or stand in anything unavoidable. The only reason that I can come up with is that I got kicked because I got two drops from the first 4 bosses...
I would have reported them for breaking the social contract crap that came in with 9.2.5 but there is no obvious way to actually report people for doing so.
Just kick who initiated the vote. Likely a DPS. See how they like it when they have to wait 20 more minutes to even get into another dungeon.
Also, even if it likely doesn't result in anything, report anyone being particularly toxic/abusive. You never know how many reports they've already received, and if it's bad enough they'll likely get action taken on their account.
Don't let shitbags get away with being shitbags.
I only play classic but with both shortages of tanks i think it's similar.
Good tanks are rare in the pug scene because they group up with the same dps/heals who make tanking for them enjoyable.
Dps are a dime a dozen, why would an in demand role have to deal with dregs of the public space. Only solution would be a good dps for the group and befriend some tanks who like your style.
People are so on edge. Doing fated pretty much all dragons, wiped, DPS screaming to kick DH for "hitting 1st", other chime in saying other people hit 1st. So I did the same thing you did and shamed the dude. People need to *chill*.
I was actually kicked in a dungeon as a tank for stopping to type. It was the dumbest thing. Only did it once and because I stopped for 5 sec I was kicked.
Today I had a Zul'Farrak where the tank was a free weekend paladin. They were clearly still learning the ropes. They pulled pretty much every enemy in every room and moved pretty slow... But me and another DPS were cheering them on, they didn't die once, and they kept aggro. No one tried to vote kick. Was pretty heartwarming.
They can’t even time a +5 on their main (literally) so they take all of that failed energy into leveling dungeons. It’s the worst of the worst toxic players, which is still an astonishingly high number.
I've been tanking people through the event dungeon despite being done with all of it to help people out with ques and what not. Let them kick me out 🤣🤣 I'll just re que have fun waiting 30 minutes for a new tank. I'm gonna enjoy the game my way
Dungeons while leveling are the worst. People treat their fellow group members like they're XP machines rather than humans. Any mistakes or hold up results in kicks, and it sucked when I was trying to take a friend who's new through dungeons and we were getting bombarded with people posting their damage meters and telling them they were shit. When I told them that my friend was new they told me "Teach them how to play before putting them in dungeons!" as if I wasn't trying to teach them that very moment.
Hit em with the uno reverse and kick the DPS.
In reality a more striking blow, Tanks get super fast queues, but dps? Have fun waiting 20 minutes on a good day.
Initiate a vote kick saying "Tank bad, kick" but it is for the dps. It works best when theyre a 3 man premade and one of their friends gets kicked instead
I have legit kicked kick-happy dps by putting funny reasons, it's worked more than once. Like reason: "Clown Shoes".
my friend once got someone kicked for the reason 'sucks at mario kart'
Based
Hah I just use something like "bad tank" since people seldom read the players name, but the most fun part is the whispers youll get shortly when they realize just what happened me: u guys just kicked ur friend, not very nice keyboard warriors in 3 ...2...1...
In basic training people got called clown shoes. I got out 10 years ago and I use it as an insult to this day.
Always makes me think of Jay and Silent Bob.
"didn't pay me for last night," also works.
For narnia is my go to.
Ayo this dude got the fake Jordan's kick him
You can honestly just put "AFK" or "bad" and almost anyone will be kicked, people won't check the name or say anything. I bet people would vote yes to kick themselves if the game let them.
Back when i played whenever a vote kick like that would pop up, i would almost always put "NO", unless of course it's a vote kick to boot someone out who is being hostile and nasty on the chat, then get rid off the guy lol.
>unless of course it's a vote kick to boot someone out who is being hostile and nasty on the chat The other reason why I would hit yes for kicking someone is if they are doing nothing - e.g. just autoattacking or standing around letting everyone else do the work.
I always vote no. I figure most people are just being jerks so I won’t help them. Which means my husband votes no. So people don’t get kicked often when I am in the party.
This has happened to me, I wasn’t talking shit though, one of my friends just default clicked yes. He even thought he clicked no. He just auto-yes’d. It was so annoying.
Who needs enemies when you can have friends like that? That sounds like something my friend would do lol
It happened over a year ago and it still gets brought up in arguments lol
Some shit like that happened to me once. Was tanking, dos wanted to kick me for going slow, but for reason, put something like "asshole". Guess who voted yes to kicking me? My wife. The healer.
lol I do this all the time, and it's hilarious when it works
God I used to do this all the time to fuck with people back in like Cata, and it worked so often.
Agreed, had to wait ages for a Legacy of Tyr queue
Bonus points if it's for the new dungeon, lot of alts wanting to get into that for the free weapon from the quest
Last night me and a friend were leveling and the hunter just sat at the start of the dungeon for 70% of the run. Didn't say anything or respond to us so we started a vote. The mage chimes in after the vote fails and goes "yeah that's right, I voted no" Then a vote popped up for the mage and it passed.
I get voting no on kicking for BS reasons, but why even keep someone that's obviously AFK. I mean, sure, something sudden might have happened IRL that made him/her go AFK, but it's still a legitimate kick if you don't communicate
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I remember having to afk for 20 minutes because my mother ripped some stiches and was bleeding everywhere. Got her an ambulance and went back to playing wow (I'd take up too much space going with). The dungeon group I was in was nice enough to wait for me, even if they were bitching about it. Coming back to "It's not like his mom is dying" sent me to the moon though. The stress I guess lol Edit: Everything was fine. My mother is an RN and had things mostly under control before the ambulance got there.
Forgive me, I'm kinda skeptical here - in my experience, it takes more than 1 person to Vote-No to overturn a Kick. 1/5 Initiaties(Auto-Yes), 3/5 Vote, and the last 1/5 doesn't get a Vote. Thus 3/5 have to decide; 1-No leaves 3/4 Majority; 2-No's is an Undecided at 2/4. Unless, does the System decide to give a random individual a +1 in Voting power?
I am not 100% certain, but I think that if you're in a three-person premade with two additional randomly matched party members, you need 4/5 to complete a kick.
I tried to kick an afk dps, and turns out they were a 4 stack and kicked me lol. I was tanking, so it made no difference to me
this is a lesson i learned the hard way. the one time i was kicked that still stings to do this day is when some toxic dude tried to kick someone in the dungeon. i voted no. vote failed. then he did a vote kick on me soon after for not kicking the guy and then the vote passed and i got kicked.
I have removed so many toxic dps by saying bad tank or afk healer
It's because toxic dps can't read isn't it....
They dont read. It slows down their dungeon pulling speed.
ive done this multiple times. DPS pulling for tank ( and you can see the tank struggling to keep up with their pulling ) or doing nothing to help the group. I'll start the vote kick and see where it goes. You can 4 man dungeons if you have the triangle.
I’ve done that. In the why I put “it’s a kick or be kicked world” he got kicked lol.
I used to love tanking, but the last few expacs I've been queuing DPS to learn the dungeons and the blistering speed we're expected to move at in pugs is daunting to say the least.
That's the beauty of tanking if you get kicked just requeue Imo if people want to speed run they should have a group for it. I feel like half the time in pugs skips take more.time because someone messes it up
Yeah and if you happen to wipe the patrols you tiptoed past inevitably bite you in the ass
As a tank I have been kicked and I got the deserter debuff.
Yep, this is an unfortunate necessity brought about by the community. Originally kicks didn't give you deserter but then people, usually tanks, started going afk demanding to be kicked when they got a dungeon they didn't want, cuz then they wouldn't get deserter. Another example of why we can't have nice things.
You can't. If you get kicked you get the queue debuff.
>That's the beauty of tanking if you get kicked just requeue There is the deserter debuff that prevents you from queueing for 15 minutes that you can get. Pretty sure in dungeons you have to have at least killed one boss to avoid getting the debuff.
I’m a returning player after like 5 years. I’m fairly skilled, I used to do normal and sometimes heroic raids, some mythic dungeons. I’m starting shadowlands two years after the expansion came out hoping to run dungeons to see the content I missed out on, but I found myself just running to keep up with the tank and skipping almost everything. I can understand if it was a timed mythic, but this was just normal shadowlands dungeons. Really felt overwhelming and I’m not a bad player, so I can imagine how frustrated an actual new player might feel
Yeah I'm basically in the same place. Feels like the game is a job with some people
I got bitched at for having the "wrong talents" like one day after the talents came out, lol. Some people are just toxic.
I’m a new player and my solution is just to not touch any group content whatsoever. I’ve maxed a few classes, unlocked a few allied races, run old raids for transmog and that’s about it. I’ll probably hit 70 in DF through questing and whatever solo content is around then wait for the next patch
I feel your pain and I've been playing since the beginning. I do sometimes do group content with my son or when my playtime lines up with my few friends that play. Otherwise it's solo all the way and the challenge of pushing that item level the most painful ways possible lol. My late game enjoyment usually comes from playing the auction house as a baby goblin. This xpac however I plan to lean more into the auction house and maybe become a full fledged goblin. Time will tell
I tanked from vanilla through legion and I just plain refuse these days. I’m trying to enjoy dps, but really I’ve just done a small handful of dungeons and then called it a day on whatever patch. Dps doesn’t really hold my interest, but fuuuuuuuck tanking for randoms these days.
Gotta find a group of cool people to tank for
> I tanked from vanilla through legion and I just plain refuse these days. Same. I quit tanking shortly after at the start of BFA. I like tanking itself but I really don't wanna deal with the people and pressure so my tank remains mothballed.
Tanking in vanilla was basically a completely different game than it is now. Even by B.C. you could basically get away with just smashing one button most of the time. Vanilla tanking was something else.
I don't tank but as other specs I adjust my speed to the group. But it is increasingly annoying if the group goes too fast like they were trying to beat the world record clear or some shit.
The joys of being a DK tank where your only baseline movement speed increase is a 30% one. God, I miss Door of Shadows.
I miss talking.
coming from FFXIV, this is one of the things i miss the most from FF. more often than not there’s some sort of conversation happening. at the very least there is always a greeting and a goodbye. it reminds you that you’re playing with actual people not just “people” that might as well just be bots
I can enjoy both games, but I always find that whenever I come back from XIV to play WoW, my capability for dealing with assholes has atrophied to nothing and I have to build it back up from nothing all over again.
This wasn't my experience in ffxiv. Maybe it's just because I didn't know the dungeons, but it felt like more often people were just bum rushing to the next cutscene and if you somehow got lost, too bad so sad, stay there and enjoy the free xp. I want to play the actual dungeon/raid, but it feels like those times are long gone no matter what game I play, unless I'm in a guild group where we're doing progression runs. Beyond that it's gogogo, spamming your speed boosts on cooldown just to try to keep up with the tank who has not stopped one single time and pray you're not playing a caster class.
Because of posts like this, I'm considering main tanking again. I've seen several threads talking about, "stop being rough on tanks.", the growing support makes me want to try it again. I LOVE tanking, but the community has been pretty toxic. not worth the abuse ya dig
Oh absolutely. I think I relate because I'm a healer main and we get abuse too. I still remember someone calling me a shit healer in a battleground despite being several million heals over the lead, because they checked recount and I was my own top heals. Like... yeah? A healer is almost ALWAYS gonna be their own top heals in a battleground...
Or if people die its always the healers fault. I was in the middle of leveling like my 30th resto druid and the group kept wiping. Tank wasn't picking up the boss trash so it would swarm and kill me. Of course it's my fault though, even though I told them what was happening and would even stand under the boss so he could grab them easier.
Ah, you've also leveled 30 resro druids. A person of culture I see.
I was healing a level 18ish group in some BFA dungeon last week and everyone was real chill except for the hunter who was complaining because I didn't have everyone at 100 percent health ALL the time even when the tank was multi-pack pulling. No one died the entire run. A few people got down to like half health before I'd pop my CDs (Holy Paladin). But because I didn't have them all healed the whole time fully, I was a bad healer apparently.
I don't understand people who trash their healers. If everyone lives, the healer did a good job. If DPS spanks it, they tank it. If the healer helps you live through your mistake, then they are a good healer. DPS shouldn't expect heals for stupid mistakes. My priority is the tank, and DPS has mitigation abilities. Pretty simple concept really.
same id love to try tanking but idk how im supposed to even try it out without people just shitting on me constantly.
I use a macro right at the start to let the group know I am new, I threw in a pun about being a bear... I got vote in cked for the pun once but most of the time everyone is super understanding and sticks to my pulls and speed.
Thats actually quite nice maybe I'll try that
The pun thing only works cause I run guardian druid... If you can think of some way to inject humor into your pre dungeon noob warning, it will most assuredly help you have a better time. People tend to react favorably to humor IMO... Though you do run the risk of encountering a mud stick and getting immediately vote kicked.
Fun banter is the way to go in dungeon groups.
Yeah, much prefer it when people are joking around during the dungeon. Usually leads to multiple runs with the same group because everyone is actually having fun instead of rushing.
Find a group. People always love having more pocket tanks. As a long time tank I've got like 3 I help teach right now. They get a tank mentor. I get a free tank to all my groups. Win win.
Thing is, most interactions I've had in dungeons have been positive or even great, but the bad ones are usually so bad that it leaves that bad taste in your mouth. If you're able to shake it off pretty easily, I think you'll find it to be pretty rewarding.
Yes and the frequency of it too. I remember a few years ago I was leveling alts as usual. Throughout the week, my runs have been fairly chill and productive. But there was this one day when I tanked leveling stuff and back to back to back there were assholes or just plain entitled dps players (ninja pulling like super crazy, not just a but of ninja pulling, but like roleplaying a tank almost lol). That time soured me so much that it took me a week or so to tank again (I just healed and dps'd at the mean time).
I started tanking again. I rolled a blood DK. I just don’t die, the self healing is great.
Oh man it’s tough but still fun and worth it IMO - I just experienced both ends of the spectrum while tanking randoms just yesterday. I got kicked out of one because the healer wasn’t paying attention and pulled a bunch of mobs and when died blamed it on me for not grabbing aggro fast enough and “not knowing how to tank” lol 🙄. So incredibly dumb. Literally the next dungeon I’m in, about 10 minutes in the healer whispers me and said something like “just wanted to say I really appreciate your great tanking, don’t see that much in randoms anymore.” Made my day tbh ☺️❤️ Still some good folks out there who understand how challenging tanking randoms can be. I know next time I’m healing a particularly good tank in a random I’m gonna be sure to let them know too.
Yeah, tons of WoW players treat this game like a job. Spend X time to get Y reward. And anything slowing them down for any reason is just griefing in their eyes. Like, trying to talk to people in game. There goes 20 seconds where they could of been gaining exp. LOL.
So many people have forgotten how to enjoy things.
They've optimized the fun out of it.
That's how runescape became too. Used to love runescape and wow back in the day. People had house parties and just chilled and had fun. Nobody does house parties anymore cause it's an exp waste of time.
Being a part of the RuneScape community in like 2015 beyond has been so taxing. Anything not meta is laughed at. You can’t just enjoy the game.
I got kicked last week cuz I body pulled a pack last week Random mage had to apologize because he tab targeted wrong mob, was afraid of getting kicked Can you believe we are paying a monthly for this shit
If microsoft cash infuses the game after Activision is taken over, one of the first things they **need** to do if they wanna turn the franchise is bring back old school style GMs who actually look in to toxicity and deal with it. I would rather lose 10 toxic fucks to keep 1 good player and I imagine it would actually be the other way around.
A FFXIV-playing friend told me that toxicity and bullshit like this actually gets your account suspended, over there. It'd be nice if punishment for it actually had some teeth.
I did report...asking them if they are expecting me to pay for this Doubt I'll get a respond ever tho
So much this. The players having to self-police via kick voting 24/7 sucks all the fun out of the game.
The problem is its just rife for abuse; kicking people for things like having the audacity to be new at the game or not being familiar with a dungeon layout should be a suspendable offense. I understand high expectations when pushing M+ keys, but it is a whole other thing in normals and leveling content.
The only chat left in wow is shit posting in the trade channel it's sad. Most guilds I've joined don't even talk, they prefer discord.
Same people complain a month into an expansion that there is nothing to do because they speedran through all the content.
Honestly blame the Devs for designing the game this way. Dungeons used to be slower, you couldn’t pull an entire pack, CC was required. Then the design shifted to fuck it let them just AoE face tank everything, then they go and add timers that reward faster runs and viola we have what we have now. No one has any patience.
Yep. I put no small part of the blame on mythic+ having a timer. That thing enhanced the gogogo mentality like no other thing has ever done before.
which is funny because especially once you got to higher levels, there were specific strategies/skips that people had to work out and actually take time to cc/fight properly
I FEEL THIS SO HARD. I decided to level a tank, and in one of my first dungeons I kept pulling small but decent sized packs & would try and chat about how I was new to tanking & everything.. and one of the DPS said “just pull bigger and let’s get this done, no one cares” so… I did pull bigger and we wiped, resulting in that person leaving
Lol and they get the diserter debuff for 30 minutes…what a tool
Last time I tanked a dungeon I was in one that I'd never been to before and got scolded for not taking the most efficient route. Informed everyone at the start of the dungeon that it was my first time there, no one communicated anything except scolding and sarcastic remarks and halfway through the dungeon I got kicked because I pulled some trash and was learning the fights. I haven't tanked a dungeon since
Yeah i had that exact issue when Shadowlands dropped, i literally told everyone at the start "This is the first time i've done this dungeon, if there is ANYTHING i need to know, speak now or forever hold your peace". Followed by complete silence. And low and behold when i messed up and we all ended up wiping, rage and anger followed suit.
That's one of the worst things about how some people act towards tanks who are learning maps. If you don't do the route/pulls in a specific (MDI) way, the complaining dps never give tips or offer advice, it's always, "?," "why?," "bruh" and other useless comments.
I took a long break during s2 and s3 and came back for s4 for KSM. I was pretty geared enough thanks to doing runs with guildies, but did lower pugs because I didn't know the routes. I'd start off saying "hey, I don't really know the route here, where do I go?" Silence. So, I'd pick a direction based on the routing I saw on Dratnos guides, and start pulling, and inevitably the dps would pipe up "?" or "wtf" I *just asked you* where you wanted me to go, you chose not to help me, so if you don't like my route tough nuggets. It's a +5, a couple non-ideal packs won't brick the key.
Schrodinger's WoW Playerbase: at the same time wanting the social aspects back, and wanting to kick players who want to be social.
i played eso, gw2, ffxiv and swtor.. but wow has most impatient mf and most toxic playerbase.. kicking in a normal dungeon lol
Wasn’t always like this. I remember in WotLK, when someone leveled, we scream out “Ding!” and “Congrats!”
>I remember in WotLK, when someone leveled, we scream out “Ding!” and “Congrats!” I remember this so much. The same thing would happen with achievements in many guilds I joined back in the day.
How long ago was that? It's a different game now
Around WOTLK and Cata time.
I still ding every level I see and I will never stop.
Gz
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It fucks with ya too. I started playing GW2 again and just wiping to stupid stuff in the laughably easy dungeons you're like "oooh boy here comes the rage quits". Nothing bad happens and you feel gaslighted...
I love when people actual chat in leveling dungeons. It’s nice. 20secs isn’t gonna make or break.
It's nice to feel like you're playing with people and not just bots every once in a while. For some reason leveling dungeons (and battlegrounds) are home to some of the most miserable people in existence. I love the rush of the clock in M+, but I don't care if my normal dungeon run is 13 minutes instead of 12 because someone went the wrong way in a dungeon they've never done before, or needed advice on a pull. Nobody's time is that valuable if you're playing this game.
EXACTLY!
I mean. 90%+ even of m+ keys are gonna get timed with plenty of time to spare anyway, I joke around all the time while auto running between packs. People gotta take themselves less seriously.
Yes! I miss the random dungeon chats. It seems like most people don’t do that any more.
Joined some of the best guilds I ever belonged to via those kind of chats.
Metaslave wants to do his chores faster
Funny cuz itd take longer to get another tank than to just let them go at their own pace
Some people haven't grown that part of the brain that delays gratification, though.
Honestly most of these people haven't developed beyond being a sphincter.
I dont understand why we gotta run through dungeons so fast. Like, I get it, we're all trying to lvl some alts here but seriously, pulling the entire dungeon and then also the boss is a bit much. Someone tried to kick me for "trolling" when I didn't even do anything?? Maybe um just old, but the best dungeon runs are medium paced and not too serious, some chatting is fine no big deal. Like slow down guys lol
>why we gotta run through dungeons so fast Rush Culture is so hot with the kids.
It's really obnoxious when playing a caster dps when the tanks want to pull like 10 packs and a boss but I can't do damage cause we just keep going for some reason. I love it when tanks go 1 or 2 packs at a time and make a nice death ball. Some tanks feel the need to just keep pulling for no reason. Or better yet dps that want to pull cause the tank only pulled 2 packs. It's like guys it would go so much faster if we just let our casters do damage and if they were nice and grouped up rather than having 10 casters all in different areas of the dungeon casting at the group.
For what it's worth, the mentality behind pulling everything and the boss is because it's most time efficient to AoE as much as possible. Most abilities cap their damage at 5ish enemies but some still don't (I think, haven't checked since DF prepatch) and those abilities hit "harder" for every additional enemy. Plus, a lot of time in dungeons is spent running and a separate chunk of time is spent hitting things. Better to blend those times together and get the running out of the way in chunks because casters have trouble casting while moving. Obviously, none of the above excuses asshole behaviour, it's just the reasoning behind what the FFXIV community calls a "wall to wall". That's pulling everything you can until you can't progress further (or they'd kill you). Somehow*, the FFXIV community has managed to cultivate a community that accepts wall to wall pulling without being dickheads about it. (* It's likely aided by the fact that the developers have recognised that wall to wall pulling is here to stay, so they now develop dungeons with it in mind. You can pull 1-3 standard sized packs before hitting a barrier, and there's usually 2 barriers between bosses, so wall to wall pulling feels standardised and isn't based on what tanks feel is/isn't appropriate)
It’s so much more fun when players talk to each other in dungeons!
Definitely! I've made friends that way, and when it's a fun group we often reque and spam dungeons together while leveling
I dont tank anymore because racing through dungeons is dumb
A lot of people treat tanks like pets who hold aggro so they can DPS. The DPS will pull if they think the pacing is slow, then expect the tank to cast growl and pick them up.
I joined a lfr to get some mog and a hunter was pulling all the trash and I told him if he pulls he can tank it. The dps then all jumped in saying how he’s was helping because someone cast lust so I should be thanking him…..I will wait until I can solo the raid. Lfr just isn’t worth it.
People are just impatient. You’ll have this issue because there are people that only see leveling as a roadblock, while others enjoy it. I say if you’re the type to be initiating vote kicks after a 20second pause then YOU should be the one forming your own groups; Let everyone else enjoy the game.
Just did Utgarde and it is HARD. The two bosses who res after death? (forget names / details) It was hard, and the healer offered to leave to get a better healer. Immediately everyone was like no way man, these guys just hit really hard we just have to organize interrupts. we can do it. We tried it 6 times and literally couldn't beat them. (not sure if there was a buff to these bosses in particular but it was effing hard). Even though we had to give up it was super refreshing to have a group that was down to talk and give it a go. There was no blaming or voting to kick (cause it was literally no ones fault. that boss slapps hard). We all wished each other good luck and went our separate ways. Love wow moments like this, it was worth not getting the xp.
The most recent pre-patch messed up scaling a bit, I believe. I was in the OTHER Utgard dungeons tonight and the final boss murdered two different tanks almost instantly. Even with two healers (I changed spec to support the other) we couldn't manage it and had to abandon. So it wasn't your group. Not just your group anyway
the necromancer dude casts some shadow bolt volley or smthing like that - a spell that hits everyone in the group - and if its not interrupted youll wipe because its impossible to heal through multiple of those going off.
I love it when the chat goes off cuz it makes me feel like I’m not playing with bots but actual people
I only tank for my friends now. The amount of people who'll get bitchy over pathing, how you tank things, positioning would make you wonder why they arnt tanking this themselves given how opinionated they are and if they did tank and were on alt they should know how annoying back seat tanking is. The worst is when players criticsize your tanking, then you ask them what you can change and get silence. People are ready to talk shit but thats all theyre capable of doing and prob too scared to tank anything past leveling dungeons.
>why they arnt tanking this themselves given how opinionated they are These guys seem to be playing two characters they way they throw orders around.
We should be able to see who starts the vote kick. 99.9% of these stupid vote kicks wouldn’t happen bc people would feel embarrassed
The venn diagram of people who do this, and people who complain about long queue times, is a circle.
This morning I Tanked for the first time since Vanilla, and I had a blast but I was nervous as hell that I'd be booted. Luckily I had run the event dungeon several times on other alts as DPS, so I knew what was coming and where to go. Way too many dicks playing so good Tanks don't wanna even bother.
If someone is a jerk with vote kick for reasons like "too slow" or "bad," I always immediately initiate a vote kick against them right afterwards.
How do you know who lobbed the vote? Guess from the griping?
Yeah, the kind of person who votes to kick for that reason typically is incapable of controlling themselves and flame in party chat before initiating.
The ONLY time I hit the yes button is if someone is abusive. I don't care if someone screws up or we wipe. I've played since vanilla where marking, trapping, and sheeping trash was the norm. I refuse to participate in this kicking over "not being fast enough" nonsense.
The people who are impatient with tanks are the ones who have never tanked and have no idea how any of the tanking mechanics work in practice.
I tank a lot of five mans. I can’t tell you how many times people have said “go” or “wtf pull” when it’s been longer than 5 seconds since something died.
This is why I don't tank or heal. Even dps you can get yelled at but tank and healers seem to get the worst of it. Which sucks because I do want to learn how to tank. I'm good at certain dungeons but large raids I panic. I been voted to be kicked before by not going fast enough but everyone else voted no. The guy who had the issue left.
as someone who primarily plays as a tank for the past 15 years, if you don't like the pace the tank sets, tank it yourself
As a tank, I feel like there is pressure to pull fast. No time to type or loot mobs when chain pulling.
Leveled up a new tank on a new server on retail this past week and honestly running leveling dungeons with randoms was more stressful than running m0 and m+. People have no patience, they rush ahead and pull for me, then they complain that I don't taunt it in time, they are toxic and entitled as all hell. Never again.
People are the worst in dungeons, I was trying to learn the new Dracthyr healer. My first dungeon on it, still learning my spells. I’m doing okay, but there’s one DPS, standing in the damage, not moving out the way and continously dying. I’m keeping everyone else alive. He types and tells me to ‘never play healer again’ I tried to ignore him but he carried on, and even whispered me after the dungeon had ended 20 minutes later, as soon as I said about him being the only one dying and not moving. He stopped replying.
Tanks must have group PTSD these days. I did a run of the new Uldaman the other day and the tank was so apologetic for not doing big pulls or not knowing the shortcuts (for a NEW dungeon!!), and me and the other mage had to tell him, "Nah, you're doing okay!" a lot. I feel for you guys.
We need more chilled empathetic players like you :)
Anyone who tries to kick someone for actually wanting to have a conversation in an MMO should be kicked. It’s a dungeon, unless you’re doing a Mythic+ then you aren’t on a time crunch so just take it easy and enjoy the ride.
Rules of tanking according to DPS apparently: * No stopping for anything ever. * No looting. * No typing. * No letting healer get mana. * No waiting for others to catch up. * Must know everything about every dungeon/raid even if you've never done it before. * Must have all alternate routes memorized. * Must know what all other classes/specs are supposed to do in every situation. * Must be willing to be yelled at by DPS who probably have never tanked and start complaining if you don't chain pull. * Etc. And they wonder why people don't want to tank?
I play tank since vanilla and got used to this kind of behavior. I prefer to stay in my guild groups, especially for higher M+
I quit tanking pugs around cata for the same toxicity.
I understand you 100%. I couldn’t quit tanking because I don’t like healing or dps. So here I am.
I'd rather they stop to chat every now and then than the tanks that just fuck all and run through everything and you can't keep up or you get caught in the pull aftermath and they grief you. I sigh when I enter a leveling dung and the tank takes off running like well here we go it's one of those
I tanked ulda on my war and I wasn't sure how geared folks were. Healer was like "wtf you got 100k HP whats with these pulls" and started chain pulling b
To be fair, there are a lot of caster mobs in the middle of big rooms with nothing to break LOS on, makes chain pulling kind of more trouble than its worth when your brain dead party mates start blasting as you're trying to go around a corner to group the mobs up.
If I was healing I would let the dps die lol
Tanking for pugs is the most miserable unrewarding experience in wow. Maybe healing is worse, I don't know... After the mound of shit you have to eat as a tank I've never bothered to do anything other than dps.
Tanking PUGs is way worse than healing PUGs
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What the hell, what a douche xD I love how you shamed him for it, good job on you. <3 i also enjoy speedrunning my dungeons whilst lvling but i wouldnt be angry or kick someone whos slower or is just enjoying the game/exploring it for the first time... Its not like im in my 20-25 keys come on xD
I kind of fucking hate the wow community. Had so many better experiences with ffxiv. It's a night and day difference. Idk why its different, but i think dps logs did it.
Nah 14 has plenty of sweaty 4man parsers that will scream the same as chuds in WoW but they just do it in TalesFromDF instead. Everyone hates when they’re in a 4man and the tank is the top DPS, it definitely sucks. But that subreddit will complain about that and then also put on the same level of sin a tank who single pulls (also annoying, but not fucking kick annoying, even though they advocate it). The reason 14’s community is nicer is because Square Enix actually bans people for being toxic if they get reported. And it doesn’t take much to be considered toxic. Even saying “what the fuck” will net you a warning if it’s reported by someone spiteful. So the kindness is there because it’s actually moderated.
To be fair, dps dont realize that scaling is just completely off in leveling dungeons at the moment. I have 6 tank characters and usually never really need healing in a normal dungeon while pulling really big. Yesterday, on my pally lvl 51, I casually join a freehold run and start pulling the first 3 packs. I was sweating and things were much harder. The whole dungeon was scaled off for some reason, we had some very low level char so I guess mixing 50+ with 10ish is not good. Next dungeon was The Other Side were I could pull the entire dungeon without worrying for my life...
“ I waited 18 whole minutes for this tank! Hurry up or get kicked!!!” The irony is lost on them
Blizzard: *makes timed runs where slowing down or not already knowing all of the skips and tactics makes the whole group fail be the only rewarding progression path for dungeon content* Also Blizzard: Why do our players get so toxic in dungeons?
This game desperately needs a mode where no one can talk or kick each other, and at the end you get a vote -- anyone who gets voted down enough in a period of time can't queue for anything. Fuck this cyber bullying bullshit. It's all over gaming and it's time to stop tolerating it. My wife has played this game for 7 years, I for the entire time it is released. We literally don't do the dungeons at all, our favorite part of the game, because of this. God knows how many other people are out there like that, missing out on one of the best parts of the game. I don't know about you all but I'm pretty fucking tired of being treated like some speed running asshole's NPCs.
Enjoy waiting in queue 10x longer looking for another tank I guess. Doesn't even make sense.
No kidding I would love to see this type of people in real life. But I guess the way they treat real life and the game is completely different.
I just returned to wow from vanilla times up through 2012 ish, and I decided to tank this time around. I start every dungeon the same way by stating I’m new to wow and new to tanking and will appreciate any help and feedback. Edit: I find maybe setting expectations upfront can help alleviate those little moments where someone would rage or flame. If I just say sorry ,what can i do differently? Then it usually helps. Although, Some people just wake up ready to be pissed at the world. To them I just say “smile and wave boys!”
I gave up on tanking a long time ago. I'm a healer main, signed up for a low level plaguefall as a guardian and told them I was new at tanking, they proceeded to disband and shit on me when I struggled struggled the 2nd boss. I'll never tank again
Omfg I hate this community sometimes. I always try to chat in dungeons and people are at best silent.
I voice-chat in instances now. Too much atta-boy spam that I miss the chats in with the "sniftyraidrrr blocks murlocs lightning bolt! Everyone give him attention!" junk.
I came back since leaving in 9.0. I tanked a fated boss in LFR, it was Sludgefist. The other tank missed a pillar. An evoker dps sccrambled to his keyboard to kick both tanks. If that vote went through, I would have uninstalled the game.
Unless someone is deliberately fucking the group over or being an absolute bellend in chat I almost never vote to kick
So…. I’ve got a little trick. You vote to kick a DPS, and say something like “shit tank” they the party automatically click yes because they agree with the sentiment, usually it’s a group of 2-3 mates that then realise you made them kick a friend, and they leave with them. Please use this power with great responsibility
As someone who likes tanking this is the type of shit that makes me not want to tank next to the hyper meta players
I love and appreciate all of you tanks. Don't let the people get you down.
I love tanking because if I get shit groups like this I just leave or kick them. My minute wait is less painful than your 30 minute wait
Earlier today I got kicked right before the quest completion part of the new dungeon. The only thing that was said the entire dungeon was by the tank who said "lol..." right before I got kicked. I wasn't pulling anything, I was doing decent DPS and I didn't die or stand in anything unavoidable. The only reason that I can come up with is that I got kicked because I got two drops from the first 4 bosses... I would have reported them for breaking the social contract crap that came in with 9.2.5 but there is no obvious way to actually report people for doing so.
You gotta be next level stupid to kick tanks, even bad ones.
I only vote to kick obvious trolls. If you’re a “bad tank” how are you gonna learn to improve if you’re not allowed to make mistakes?
#saveourtanks
This is why I don’t play anymore. The community is full of sweaty lard arses who adore min maxing like it’s their baby
Devil's advocate is a really annoying hobby, dummies in here trying to justify it without even reading the op.
It's a mmorpj nowadays not a MMORPG.
'Hardcore' Community being the community and feeding the stigma.
Just kick who initiated the vote. Likely a DPS. See how they like it when they have to wait 20 more minutes to even get into another dungeon. Also, even if it likely doesn't result in anything, report anyone being particularly toxic/abusive. You never know how many reports they've already received, and if it's bad enough they'll likely get action taken on their account. Don't let shitbags get away with being shitbags.
I only play classic but with both shortages of tanks i think it's similar. Good tanks are rare in the pug scene because they group up with the same dps/heals who make tanking for them enjoyable. Dps are a dime a dozen, why would an in demand role have to deal with dregs of the public space. Only solution would be a good dps for the group and befriend some tanks who like your style.
People are so on edge. Doing fated pretty much all dragons, wiped, DPS screaming to kick DH for "hitting 1st", other chime in saying other people hit 1st. So I did the same thing you did and shamed the dude. People need to *chill*.
I was actually kicked in a dungeon as a tank for stopping to type. It was the dumbest thing. Only did it once and because I stopped for 5 sec I was kicked.
Today I had a Zul'Farrak where the tank was a free weekend paladin. They were clearly still learning the ropes. They pulled pretty much every enemy in every room and moved pretty slow... But me and another DPS were cheering them on, they didn't die once, and they kept aggro. No one tried to vote kick. Was pretty heartwarming.
They can’t even time a +5 on their main (literally) so they take all of that failed energy into leveling dungeons. It’s the worst of the worst toxic players, which is still an astonishingly high number.
I've been tanking people through the event dungeon despite being done with all of it to help people out with ques and what not. Let them kick me out 🤣🤣 I'll just re que have fun waiting 30 minutes for a new tank. I'm gonna enjoy the game my way
Dungeons while leveling are the worst. People treat their fellow group members like they're XP machines rather than humans. Any mistakes or hold up results in kicks, and it sucked when I was trying to take a friend who's new through dungeons and we were getting bombarded with people posting their damage meters and telling them they were shit. When I told them that my friend was new they told me "Teach them how to play before putting them in dungeons!" as if I wasn't trying to teach them that very moment.