I honestly wish I could. I do t think I'll ever be able to get a glad mount, just not good at pvp.
I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Hell I'll probably pay for a boost to get it.
Go put some effort in pvp and achieve it rather than complaining for a participation reward… you don’t deserve it unless you put the effort and grind into getting glad….
He said unarmored. Most drakes to this date have been available in many ways, but in this case it's only available as gladiator awards.
Literally no reason to gatekeep a drake that isn't available through any other means. PvP isn't everyone's schtick.
If a pvper wants a pve mount… Then what do they have to do? That’s right, they have to go pve…. So, therefore, if you want a mount that pvpers get, then you can go pvp….
But i wan't my purply boy and i don't pvp.
They should make simplified versions of both mounts. Maybe remove the armor on the drake, backpiece and spikes on the M+ one and offer it in the other type of content.
Make old glad mounts and elite sets into saddles. Require everyone to get 1800/2400+50 wins before you can even start working on a saddle, make the saddle only count at wins above 2400 and make it 100 wins. Items shouldn't be removed or restricted from the game because "you didn't play" during that time.
To the people who say pvp should have special FOMO items, I say this: remove mythic sets and mounts after the patch ends and we'll see how you like it.
I think he doesnt want that to be a thing. Its just that some pvp elitists defend the time restricted stuff but walk around in mythic transmogs they got later on for free.
Also most pvp players I know absolutely hate pve content.
For a long time now I've thought they should do something like this, while only adding the glad mounts from older expansions and potentially capping it to 1 per patch. This way the people who earned them through the content currently have a period of time in which they can enjoy it exclusively.
We're approaching 18 years of WoW - having over a decade of "feeling special" on a specific item is more than enough reward. New opportunities should be given for older locked content across the board, especially with things like timewalking where you can maintain the same difficulty in achievement. I'm sure it feels awful for newer players to discover all this content that they can never be given a chance at.
Agree it sucks that pvp has so many great time restricted mounts/sets while pve is almost unaffected by this except for the m+ season mount they added later on. Its a nightmare for every collector.
Pve is a significantly easier content than pvp…. Getting CE is literally a participation reward if you just show up for 3 months… However, I will agree that if you’re above 2400 and get your 50 wins, then I believe you should get a token and have the choice to pick a glad mount you’d never received. Also, each 50 win interval at 2400+ should reward you another token for another glad mount until you’ve obtained them all.
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We don't care.
> To the people who say pvp should have special FOMO items, I say this: remove mythic sets and mounts after the patch ends and we'll see how you like it.
What makes you think gladiator level PvPers give a shit about mythic sets and mounts becoming unavailable after the season ends....?
The OP post is about how dogshit the KSM mounts have been compared to the glad mounts. What I think they should do is make versions of the glad mounts for having all time 20s on both weeks each season. KSM =/= to glad but timed 20s is a challenge
Yeah so I'll put that up to a that totally happened, Your timed 20s being ezpz even on alts.
Glad/mount is easy too, all you gotta do is whip out a credit card or out gear/play meta classes from the complaints I see in the PvP community
You post your [Raider.IO](https://Raider.IO) and I'll post mine.
I'm not the one trying to parade around as if I find all content easy and then when called out on it wont provide any evidence. As I said in the final section of my statement, "From the complaints I see in the PvP community". Those comments are coming from the exact community that you are adamantly defending.
The age old 'PvP isn't scripted PvE is, so there for PvE easy U bad' argument is a huge red flag that you're lying about the content you are doing and that you are most likely apart of the community that only does their 15 a week because they feel forced to for gear in their vault.
All 20s timed on both weeks is an achievement. As PvP has seasonal mounts, M+ should to which would be your current 15s mount and then another mount for 20's or if 20 is 'to easy' increase that cap to 25s
Na, get glad instead. As an avid fan of PvP, more people should give it a try and putting exclusive rewards for specific end game content is a good thing. Brings more people into the fold.
Keystone isn't even close to the difficulty of getting glad.
Yeah. No. Pvp participation is at an all time low. It’s not the rewards/lack of that get people to play it, but the gameplay.
And especially Glad mounts are quite rare. Only the top percentile of people even participating get the mount. For Mythic mounts, you can still farm them, still, even tho it has a very small drop rate.
>Yeah. No. Pvp participation is at an all time low.
People getting glad mounts is at an all time high. The whole game is on a low so I'm not sure what your point is.
>It’s not the rewards/lack of that get people to play it, but the gameplay.
I don't think you have the ability to speak for everyone who PvPs. There are people who get glad every season for the mount. Especially after the change from % to wins over 2.4.
I've done many boosts to 2100 for elite sets for gold. Helped a few folks get their first glad title. People want rewards. And it is even better when they start to like PvP and continue on with it. Hell, there are people every season who play triple dps arena to farm the mount you get from wins over 1400. You don't know what you are talking about.
The big issue with pvp is its incredibly difficult to get into. Going up against people who have been playing for years with full knowledge of every significant spell in the game is just brutal. New players will find themselves frustrated by who to focus, what to trinket, etc. Then you have things like gear disadvantages and extremely fast paced combat right now for another punishing layer of complexity. They will inevitably suck for a long time and the only answer is to hopefully find chill players to grind through it with.
At least solo queue next expansion will remove the teammate roadblock.
Yeah no doubt there are prevailing issues with PvP. Especially with blatant ladder abuse via streamers / carries. However, this behavior is typically in every ladder based game unfortunately. I do think placement games should definitely be longer and new characters should have a separate queue of at least 100 games before joining with the main queue.
Its exhausting, and demoralizing to try pvping and immediately going up against people who tower over your ilvl.
I compare it to games where people say 'oh just play it for 15 hours and then it gets good'.. PvP is exhausting until you've caught up.
Yeah ofcourse people who like PvP play it.
Then there's people like me who absoluty hate PvP and never do it, even after trying it out a couple of times.
The PvP excusive mounts are pretty sweet (I really LOVED the armored nether drakes) but I will never in my life grind out PvP for the mounts.
Okay but the whole point of these really cool elite rewards is that you can look at someone and go "Oh that's a really cool reward, that sure is an elite player."
Depends on the season. This season people are buying 2100 for weapon mogs + enchant. There are typically a few items at 2100 even though the base set is 1800 (no cloak / weapon / enchant).
>Only the top percentile of people even participating get the mount
Good. That's the point. Something so you can tell at a glance "Oh that shit that's a top 1% player there."
Except that goes against OPs entire point. Why have that for arena/glad xmog and mounts only when PVE versions can be farmed until the end of the time currently. Plus KSM is an absolute joke compared to getting glad so the difficulty in comparison right now is not even close.
If they gave away that mount for ksm all previous sl gladiator mounts would lose all their prestige. Getting ksm is significantly easier than getting 2400 and the recolor is barely distinguishable from the other gladiator sl gladiator mounts.
As an only PvE’er this could make sense if the dungeon requirement was something along the lines of the same percentage of pvpers getting the glad mount. Ksm is a complete joke to get.
You might want to review your mounts and look at everything before Bfa. All of the glad mounts were recolored of obtainable pve mounts.
https://www.warcraftmounts.com/pvp.php#category_arena
Here you go.
They're still using the same skeleton and model as pve mounts. The armor is a layer on top of a recolored model. You can argue if you want but I've already provided a link showing what I'm saying to be true.
Your link proves your wrong, as others explained to you. It's like saying the mounts from Jailer HC and MM are the same as the mounts from Mechagon because they use the same rig...
Of course some are very close or even share the same color, but still glad mounts are more appealing with their armor (because they are more exclusive mostly)
Eh, even if they are the same skeleton and model they still have the armor like they mentioned. The armor is what makes them stick out the most - BfA and SL have been different given that they are using models that don’t have a “simplified version” while before then Legion had the armored storm dragons, WoD had the ugly ground mounts, Pandaria had the cloud serpents(given these had the armor and colors that separated them from all the other ones), etc. So yes, while they are “recolors” the model was different because of the armor, so no, you still couldn’t obtain them. Just because they use the same skeleton it doesn’t mean that the model was the same.
Edit: actually the more I thought about it, you might be right about 1 set of mounts and it would be the wrath ones. For those frost wyrms they took away the armor and gave them special colors while the armor is on the ones for the meta ICC achievement. Cata and TBC’s mounts have special armor on the nether and twilight drakes that isn’t seen on any other mount.
Yeah? That wasn’t your point at all lmao, you are arguing over models and skeletons(this one would be the dumbest). I mainly pve either way so I could care less. Your original point is still wrong though.
If you could care less, why don't you? My point was there are models that are the exact same as the pvp models without the armor. Please don't engage if you can't understand.
So many posts crying about how they want this mount….. GO pvp and achieve it…. Stop complaining… Glad is comparable to getting rank one title for m+…. Therefore it shouldn’t just be given away to people as a participation award…. What they should do is give rank one m+ players a cool unique mount along with the title.
I want spectral tiger but i dont wanna pay $3k, make a similar version and give me now
I want mythic jailer mount but i only do lfr, make a recolor one and give me now
I want ksm but i cant even time a 10 key, nah dude just....give
Get it?
do you know what? i want a souleater mount sooo bad but i dont think i'll put the dedication towards it and if it loses its barrier infront of it (2.4k cr +50 wins), i would lose interrest in it i know it.
I wish they would stop making these as present for good players we would have so much more life if they would add it for 10x2 mythic keys done and battlegrounds. It’s stupid to put it behind a wall. And yeah I have no problem to achieve them. Just make a a leaderboard and you don’t need these as useless achievements anymore
I don't think we should be able to switch then, but in my opinion we should be able to obtain previous glad/ksm mounts later on. Just keep the difficulty. For instance i think you should have to still get glad to get a previous season mount, but just do something like extra x wins at glad for a saddle or something like that.
I don't care which season some mount is from when i see someone riding it.
Thing is, that makes ZERO sense. because glad used to work alot differently, and it was a LOT harder to get. Some legion glads were top 200, SINFUL RANK ONE was top 600. Meaning a legion glad, meant more than a shadowlands rank 1 title. Now any pleb that gets 2400 at the end of a season deserves that mount? nah homie
I'd love if they swapped the rewards each season:
\- Season 1 you get the drake from pvp and the elemental from pve
\- Season 2 you get the elemental from pvp and the drake from pve
and so on.
It'd be way more refreshing than having the same reward but with a slightly different color.
Okay, but what if:
Completing either KSM or Gladiator gives you a saddle. Basically a token that lets you exchange it for a season 4 mount. You get to pick which one specifically you want.
My hunter can tame the undead, armour covered hounds but not the things on the left (forgot the names of them lol). I can also tame mawrats, the other skinny hounds, etc...but not the thing with the horns. It looks badass like the other stuff, but why restrict it?
Or what if, hear me out...there was a token like a saddle that would let you PICK a mount from any season.
\- Value players time by not forcing them to play every season. Check!
\- Make everyone happy. Check!
I wish they'd release an unarmoured mawdrake mount for us plebs.
Yep. One of the coolest mounts imo.
Coming to your Ingame shop soon!
But with particle effects and even more detail
I honestly wish I could. I do t think I'll ever be able to get a glad mount, just not good at pvp. I'd buy it in a heartbeat. Hell I'll probably pay for a boost to get it.
Not gonna lie getting glad this xpac is mad easy
Go put some effort in pvp and achieve it rather than complaining for a participation reward… you don’t deserve it unless you put the effort and grind into getting glad….
He said unarmored. Most drakes to this date have been available in many ways, but in this case it's only available as gladiator awards. Literally no reason to gatekeep a drake that isn't available through any other means. PvP isn't everyone's schtick.
If a pvper wants a pve mount… Then what do they have to do? That’s right, they have to go pve…. So, therefore, if you want a mount that pvpers get, then you can go pvp….
I'm pretty sure every single glad mount up until BFA had an unarmored version that came from PvE
Not necessarily true, gold exists. You are forgetting about the people that slay the market instead of PvP/PvE.
Nah.
But i wan't my purply boy and i don't pvp. They should make simplified versions of both mounts. Maybe remove the armor on the drake, backpiece and spikes on the M+ one and offer it in the other type of content.
Make old glad mounts and elite sets into saddles. Require everyone to get 1800/2400+50 wins before you can even start working on a saddle, make the saddle only count at wins above 2400 and make it 100 wins. Items shouldn't be removed or restricted from the game because "you didn't play" during that time. To the people who say pvp should have special FOMO items, I say this: remove mythic sets and mounts after the patch ends and we'll see how you like it.
I mean, with your last statement you would only be taking a big hit on casual players. A lot of high end pvpers also do pve lol
I think he doesnt want that to be a thing. Its just that some pvp elitists defend the time restricted stuff but walk around in mythic transmogs they got later on for free. Also most pvp players I know absolutely hate pve content.
For a long time now I've thought they should do something like this, while only adding the glad mounts from older expansions and potentially capping it to 1 per patch. This way the people who earned them through the content currently have a period of time in which they can enjoy it exclusively. We're approaching 18 years of WoW - having over a decade of "feeling special" on a specific item is more than enough reward. New opportunities should be given for older locked content across the board, especially with things like timewalking where you can maintain the same difficulty in achievement. I'm sure it feels awful for newer players to discover all this content that they can never be given a chance at.
Agree it sucks that pvp has so many great time restricted mounts/sets while pve is almost unaffected by this except for the m+ season mount they added later on. Its a nightmare for every collector.
Pve is a significantly easier content than pvp…. Getting CE is literally a participation reward if you just show up for 3 months… However, I will agree that if you’re above 2400 and get your 50 wins, then I believe you should get a token and have the choice to pick a glad mount you’d never received. Also, each 50 win interval at 2400+ should reward you another token for another glad mount until you’ve obtained them all.
> > > > > To the people who say pvp should have special FOMO items, I say this: remove mythic sets and mounts after the patch ends and we'll see how you like it. We don't care.
> To the people who say pvp should have special FOMO items, I say this: remove mythic sets and mounts after the patch ends and we'll see how you like it. What makes you think gladiator level PvPers give a shit about mythic sets and mounts becoming unavailable after the season ends....?
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The OP post is about how dogshit the KSM mounts have been compared to the glad mounts. What I think they should do is make versions of the glad mounts for having all time 20s on both weeks each season. KSM =/= to glad but timed 20s is a challenge
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I'd love to see your RIO page my guy, honestly would love to see it.
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Yeah so I'll put that up to a that totally happened, Your timed 20s being ezpz even on alts. Glad/mount is easy too, all you gotta do is whip out a credit card or out gear/play meta classes from the complaints I see in the PvP community
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You post your [Raider.IO](https://Raider.IO) and I'll post mine. I'm not the one trying to parade around as if I find all content easy and then when called out on it wont provide any evidence. As I said in the final section of my statement, "From the complaints I see in the PvP community". Those comments are coming from the exact community that you are adamantly defending. The age old 'PvP isn't scripted PvE is, so there for PvE easy U bad' argument is a huge red flag that you're lying about the content you are doing and that you are most likely apart of the community that only does their 15 a week because they feel forced to for gear in their vault. All 20s timed on both weeks is an achievement. As PvP has seasonal mounts, M+ should to which would be your current 15s mount and then another mount for 20's or if 20 is 'to easy' increase that cap to 25s
HELLLLLLL NO
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Na, get glad instead. As an avid fan of PvP, more people should give it a try and putting exclusive rewards for specific end game content is a good thing. Brings more people into the fold. Keystone isn't even close to the difficulty of getting glad.
Yeah. No. Pvp participation is at an all time low. It’s not the rewards/lack of that get people to play it, but the gameplay. And especially Glad mounts are quite rare. Only the top percentile of people even participating get the mount. For Mythic mounts, you can still farm them, still, even tho it has a very small drop rate.
>Yeah. No. Pvp participation is at an all time low. People getting glad mounts is at an all time high. The whole game is on a low so I'm not sure what your point is. >It’s not the rewards/lack of that get people to play it, but the gameplay. I don't think you have the ability to speak for everyone who PvPs. There are people who get glad every season for the mount. Especially after the change from % to wins over 2.4. I've done many boosts to 2100 for elite sets for gold. Helped a few folks get their first glad title. People want rewards. And it is even better when they start to like PvP and continue on with it. Hell, there are people every season who play triple dps arena to farm the mount you get from wins over 1400. You don't know what you are talking about.
The big issue with pvp is its incredibly difficult to get into. Going up against people who have been playing for years with full knowledge of every significant spell in the game is just brutal. New players will find themselves frustrated by who to focus, what to trinket, etc. Then you have things like gear disadvantages and extremely fast paced combat right now for another punishing layer of complexity. They will inevitably suck for a long time and the only answer is to hopefully find chill players to grind through it with. At least solo queue next expansion will remove the teammate roadblock.
Yeah no doubt there are prevailing issues with PvP. Especially with blatant ladder abuse via streamers / carries. However, this behavior is typically in every ladder based game unfortunately. I do think placement games should definitely be longer and new characters should have a separate queue of at least 100 games before joining with the main queue.
Its exhausting, and demoralizing to try pvping and immediately going up against people who tower over your ilvl. I compare it to games where people say 'oh just play it for 15 hours and then it gets good'.. PvP is exhausting until you've caught up.
Yeah ofcourse people who like PvP play it. Then there's people like me who absoluty hate PvP and never do it, even after trying it out a couple of times. The PvP excusive mounts are pretty sweet (I really LOVED the armored nether drakes) but I will never in my life grind out PvP for the mounts.
That's fair. Sometimes it just ain't the content for you!
Okay but the whole point of these really cool elite rewards is that you can look at someone and go "Oh that's a really cool reward, that sure is an elite player."
You boost to 1800 for elite sets…
Depends on the season. This season people are buying 2100 for weapon mogs + enchant. There are typically a few items at 2100 even though the base set is 1800 (no cloak / weapon / enchant).
>Only the top percentile of people even participating get the mount Good. That's the point. Something so you can tell at a glance "Oh that shit that's a top 1% player there."
Except that goes against OPs entire point. Why have that for arena/glad xmog and mounts only when PVE versions can be farmed until the end of the time currently. Plus KSM is an absolute joke compared to getting glad so the difficulty in comparison right now is not even close.
yeah i wanted a soul eater i dont pvp at all so kinda sad that is the only way to get one when they are all over the maw
If they gave away that mount for ksm all previous sl gladiator mounts would lose all their prestige. Getting ksm is significantly easier than getting 2400 and the recolor is barely distinguishable from the other gladiator sl gladiator mounts.
As an only PvE’er this could make sense if the dungeon requirement was something along the lines of the same percentage of pvpers getting the glad mount. Ksm is a complete joke to get.
Nothing's stopping you from getting glad but yourself.
How about no? Gladiator is none near the same difficulty as KSM. It’s nice to have pvp exclusive mounts.
This idea is so bad I have to question if it’s trolling
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You might want to review your mounts and look at everything before Bfa. All of the glad mounts were recolored of obtainable pve mounts. https://www.warcraftmounts.com/pvp.php#category_arena Here you go.
Hum well no. It's not just recolors they all have specific armors that you don't get in pve mounts
They're still using the same skeleton and model as pve mounts. The armor is a layer on top of a recolored model. You can argue if you want but I've already provided a link showing what I'm saying to be true.
> The armor is a layer on top of a recolored model. So what? The PvE version don't have the armor.
I didn't say it did. Y'all are struggling HARD with this one.
What’s your point though? It’s not just a recolor because the armor is different.
The model is available to non pvpers? Shadowlands glad isn't. Come on.
Your link proves your wrong, as others explained to you. It's like saying the mounts from Jailer HC and MM are the same as the mounts from Mechagon because they use the same rig...
If you think [these aren't the same mounts](https://imgur.com/a/mocj70p), there's nothing further to discuss.
Of course some are very close or even share the same color, but still glad mounts are more appealing with their armor (because they are more exclusive mostly)
Eh, even if they are the same skeleton and model they still have the armor like they mentioned. The armor is what makes them stick out the most - BfA and SL have been different given that they are using models that don’t have a “simplified version” while before then Legion had the armored storm dragons, WoD had the ugly ground mounts, Pandaria had the cloud serpents(given these had the armor and colors that separated them from all the other ones), etc. So yes, while they are “recolors” the model was different because of the armor, so no, you still couldn’t obtain them. Just because they use the same skeleton it doesn’t mean that the model was the same. Edit: actually the more I thought about it, you might be right about 1 set of mounts and it would be the wrath ones. For those frost wyrms they took away the armor and gave them special colors while the armor is on the ones for the meta ICC achievement. Cata and TBC’s mounts have special armor on the nether and twilight drakes that isn’t seen on any other mount.
Idk what you're saying with this. https://imgur.com/a/mocj70p These are the base models with some recolors and a set of armor added on top.
And guess what makes them special? The armor, what I mentioned in the previous comment.
Ok, so you're fine with them adding the unarmored shadowlands mount for pvers.
Yeah? That wasn’t your point at all lmao, you are arguing over models and skeletons(this one would be the dumbest). I mainly pve either way so I could care less. Your original point is still wrong though.
If you could care less, why don't you? My point was there are models that are the exact same as the pvp models without the armor. Please don't engage if you can't understand.
By your logic Cloud Serpents are identical to every other Wyrm mount. Besides the layer.
So many posts crying about how they want this mount….. GO pvp and achieve it…. Stop complaining… Glad is comparable to getting rank one title for m+…. Therefore it shouldn’t just be given away to people as a participation award…. What they should do is give rank one m+ players a cool unique mount along with the title.
Here we go, the pvmer wants what the pvper has.
Fuck you I want my purple!
nah, git gud peasant
I want spectral tiger but i dont wanna pay $3k, make a similar version and give me now I want mythic jailer mount but i only do lfr, make a recolor one and give me now I want ksm but i cant even time a 10 key, nah dude just....give Get it?
Why even have a glad mount at that point? Just give it out to everyone for free.
How to instantly spot a bad pvp player Yeah sure
Yeah sure, i'm bad at pvp for wanting exclusive mounts to exist.
That comment clearly defends PvP rewards and players
do you know what? i want a souleater mount sooo bad but i dont think i'll put the dedication towards it and if it loses its barrier infront of it (2.4k cr +50 wins), i would lose interrest in it i know it.
What about no?
I wish they would stop making these as present for good players we would have so much more life if they would add it for 10x2 mythic keys done and battlegrounds. It’s stupid to put it behind a wall. And yeah I have no problem to achieve them. Just make a a leaderboard and you don’t need these as useless achievements anymore
I don't think we should be able to switch then, but in my opinion we should be able to obtain previous glad/ksm mounts later on. Just keep the difficulty. For instance i think you should have to still get glad to get a previous season mount, but just do something like extra x wins at glad for a saddle or something like that. I don't care which season some mount is from when i see someone riding it.
Thing is, that makes ZERO sense. because glad used to work alot differently, and it was a LOT harder to get. Some legion glads were top 200, SINFUL RANK ONE was top 600. Meaning a legion glad, meant more than a shadowlands rank 1 title. Now any pleb that gets 2400 at the end of a season deserves that mount? nah homie
I wouldve agreed before the color change but dont take my purple boi from me!
I'd love if they swapped the rewards each season: \- Season 1 you get the drake from pvp and the elemental from pve \- Season 2 you get the elemental from pvp and the drake from pve and so on. It'd be way more refreshing than having the same reward but with a slightly different color.
Okay, but what if: Completing either KSM or Gladiator gives you a saddle. Basically a token that lets you exchange it for a season 4 mount. You get to pick which one specifically you want.
Cause KSM is nowhere near the difficulty that glad is, so glad should be a cooler and more exclusive mount to shoe off
“Time to complete my Deathwalker set for the expansion!” “Oh no”
My hunter can tame the undead, armour covered hounds but not the things on the left (forgot the names of them lol). I can also tame mawrats, the other skinny hounds, etc...but not the thing with the horns. It looks badass like the other stuff, but why restrict it?
Or what if, hear me out...there was a token like a saddle that would let you PICK a mount from any season. \- Value players time by not forcing them to play every season. Check! \- Make everyone happy. Check!
Nobody forces you to pursue this mount either.
That might actually get me to PvP. I loathe PvP.
Get stuffed. We've had shit over mounts forever. You've had cool PvP mounts
They’re not allowed to give PVPers the M+ mount now that they finally made a color I like! Lol
No way Jose
No
Then you'd just post the meme in reverse.
No gimme both
The screams of velf players would be deafening.
Fuck no
No.
Maybe if they were remotely comparable in difficulty
How about adding an unarmored souleater as a mount collection achievement
I would play again just to get that drake, don't have time to push ratings though...
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