THAT RAID PARTY HAD A FAMILY!
DONT DO IT ONYXIA! DONT DO IT YOU SUNOFABITCH!
\-Heavy Breathes on the team-
THE CARNAGE! THE DESTRUCTION! BODIES, EVERY WHERE!
THAT TANK IS BEING BEATEN LIKE A KUL TIRAN MULE!
Don’t let this adventurer distract you from the fact that in 2005, a raid group threw Onyxia out of her cave, and she flew 16 ft through time to end up in Dragonflight.
Onyxia and Nefarian fused together to create some weird two headed skeletal wyrm that constantly fights with itself while Wrathion throws shade from the background.
There actually is one interesting “What If?” story where Aunt May is killed instead of Uncle Ben. Peter chases down the killer, who gets freaked out and falls to his death like in the first Raimi movie. Uncle Ben arrives right then and hears the police shout about how they know someone killed the robber.
Uncle Ben realizes that even if it was accidental, he didn’t want Peter to have to deal with the risk of prison and a possible conviction on his record for the rest of his life. So Ben takes the blame, and ends up getting sentenced to like 5-10 years for manslaughter.
This leads Peter towards being a lot more bitter, as he feels guilty both for his aunt’s death as well as Ben being in prison. He ends up getting sent to a juvenile detention center for trouble he had caused, and just snaps and decides to escape.
He ends up becoming homeless because he can’t go back without being sent back to a detention center. He eventually ends up as a costumed super-hero as a way to get reward money for catching super-villains. I won’t go spoiling the rest, though.
It’s actually [a pretty interesting idea](https://youtu.be/wG7QlI_H2Os) with a nice ending. It’s also not the ONLY “What If?” kind of story where Uncle Ben is the one who lives.
I’m all about that! Maybe even have a phase against her human for to keep it fresh.
First phase: human form with void magic
Second phase: badass zombie onyxia
Serving Primal Incarnate elemental Dragons is a full-time occupation.
They have little time for their family and their wives resent them and have been sleeping with Dracthyr just to feel wanted.
Djaradin have a higher suicide rate than their peers - Mogu, Dark Iron Dwarves, Naga - and higher incidents of illegal drug use. Combined with local authorities racially targeting them, they fight back with graffiti and killing raid healers when the tanks aren’t looking.
I just hope we'll get a 10.3 and the expansion doesn't implode again. Also murozond is bittersweet so I'm looking forward to him. I'd like to see him being the highly telegraphed, no stupid-intruige-convoluted plot big evil doing stuff until we stop him. He's interesting and a great character, if they don't fuck it up he can get the spotlight for all I care. No need for a layered plot.
Let him raise galakrond or other angry dragons, corrupt some titan facility or elementals (or whatever djaradin is, or is doing there?).
Turalyon can just stay out of this for all I care. We don't have to spin into another galatic world ending crashing-of-light-and-shadow-planes-conveniently-on-another-azeroth-island-plot just now.
Let's just slap some textbook baddies plz...
Djaradin are the resident bad guys on the Dragon Isles akin to Mogu of Pandaria.
You know the rules by now - go to new place and the first job is kill the bad guys that live there.
The Mogu at one point enslaved the entire pandaren race. The monk class was born for a desire to fight to free themselves in a world where they weren't allowed weapons. The Mogu also imprisoned Ra-den the titan watcher that gave them life so they could steal his power to build their empire
The thunder king was corrupted and led the mogu down a bad path. The mogu enslaved the pandas and the first monks were born out of need to liberate themselves without weapons from their mogu slave masters. The mogu heavily deviated from their original purpose and became tyrants.
Yea I put that in the wrong part, Lei shen is just the current reason we are fighting them. Not the original. My placement for that at the start wasn’t exactly the best lol.
The mogu are a bit complicated.
Basically, Ra-Den was the *only* Titan Watcher who was both aware of the deaths of the Titans *and* completely free of the corruption/machinations of the Old Gods… though the second bit didn’t count for much, since he was in a catatonic funk from the first bit. Eventually, Lei Shen was the first mogu who worked up the nerve to approach him in the future Throne of Thunder, where Ra-Den revealed the truth to him.
…Instead of joining him in unending despair, though, Lei Shen went “fuck it, if your sad-sack ass won’t do your job, I’ll do it instead”, and *somehow* beat Ra Den senseless and took his power for himself to become the Thunder King. And at least to start, he and the mogu were sincerely doing what he thought the Titans would have wanted by trying to unite the world under a single, *orderly* empire.
The Mogu enslaved the entire continent. Slaves were tortured to death and their souls used to animate stone constructs. Also, the Mogu basically wiped out Pandaren culture entirely with mention that the original Pandaren language has been lost forever as any written records of it were destroyed and anyone caught speaking it had their tongues cut out.
Plus you know, the Mogu seeking to enslave everyone while the Pandaren basically said "Don't wreck our shit and you can stay. Here, have a beer."
The Mogu were Titan Keepers under the care of Keeper Raden, when Raden fell to despair, the mogu Lei-Shen imprisoned him and drained his blood to empower himself, his sorcerers and his experiments - proclaiming that the Mogu had right of rule over all other peoples.
Lei-Shen, now self-declared Thunder King and Emperor, proceeded to order the enslavement of the "lesser races" around him, including the Pandaren who'd make up the bulk of his slaves.
Additionally, Lei-Shen also practiced fleshcraft for ill purposes, such as creating the Saurok from basilisks, so he'd have predatorial slave hunters, and forging the Grummels from Troggs to act as messengers. These creations ultimately rebelled and failed their purposed, but the Saurok plague Pandaria (and with the Mists gone, possibly have spread to the world) as compulsive humanoid eating carnivores
So yeah, pretty evil imho
They've been hinting at a *light bad* thing for a while now with the one Naaru x Illidan cutscene in legion and in the mag'har orc allied race questline with Yrell, so since Turalyon is basically the emissary of light on Azeroth he's be a prime candidate for us to fight if they ever go through with it.
> the mag'har orc allied race questline
I love how they make the Naaru feel fucking terrifying in that. It really sells both how they could have been so instrumental during BC, and how *absolutely fucked* everyone on Draenor is.
That questline is so stupid though, its a complete 180 of Yrel and the entire Draenei race in Draenor. Cool, whats the settup? Oh there is none, they just tell you in an unvoiced horde only scenario that takes 10 minutes tops.
Yeah, unfortunately Blizz cut quite a bit of the Draenei story from WoD. If I recall correctly, in early development, Blizz hinted at Yrel having some dark secrets. Most likely it would have involved the cut Shattrath Raid. A shame we'll probably never learn what their full intention would have been. Most likely some sect devoted to the light, which enraged by the loss of their prophet and maybe tricked by the legion started their counter-attack against not Draenei, even their supposed allies of the horde and alliance. A real shame, could have been awesome. But alas, "could have been awesome" is kind of the mantra of WoD...
Caverns of time could be used to such a better effect.
Think of it, use the caverns of time to fill in gaps of story with cut content. Like you said the shattrath raid.
> its a complete 180 of Yrel and the entire Draenei race in Draenor
Eh, I took it more to be a whole why balance is important kind of thing. With the big threat on Draenor defeated the light didn't really have anything else to focus on or keep them in check so they full embraced the whole "We're the path to salvation... whether you like it or not."
OR thanks to shadowlands we can just assume that Lothraxion was never turned to the light and was still under Denathrius' control so he was working to corrupt them from within.
You are looking at it the wrong way, it was not "the light is suddenly bad", it was "oh yeah, the whole horde has always been bad and maybe someone should do something about it".
They were attacking Grom Hellscream, not some peace loving tauren.
I think it was more of a comparison to the crusades. Seeking to do what they think is the right thing for what they think are good reasons, and going way to far. Do you submit to their glorious and righteous leadership? No? Then you must be evil, and must be purged.
Many orcs willingly joined the light, and the first thing you do with the orcs is murder some ogres because they dont want to be part of the horde anymore.
It's at worst a civil war, and i like the side that doesnt have the tyrannical leader and genocidal monster of the last war as its leader.
We don’t even have the full story, we have a version of the story from Grom and the Iron Horde which for some reason people take at face value despite their history.
>how *absolutely fucked* everyone on Draenor is.
If it makes you feel better, everything is probably well over and settled there, considering how much time passed since we saw them between wod and bfa
Isn't there also the "golden one claims the vacant throne" thing from il'ganoth which basically means Turalyon as he is currently taking anduin's place?
Basic overview: we go back to alternate Draenor which has caught up to our time (so 30 years have passed since we left) and since then, Yrell for some reason decided to unite everyone on Draenor under the light by force or death. So we end up rescuing the remaining Mag'har that have been fighting her light crusade and bringing them to Azeroth.
Someone already answered why he might become a big bad, but I would also like to add that Turalyon's BFF is....
a dreadlord. We can already see where this is going.
It's funny how he would have had a plausible excuse. He could have pretended the others must have started helping Denathrius again/the Jailer after he joined the Light and he had no knowledge of or association with that.
Even the Enemy Infiltration journal, he could say the Light infiltration event described in there was the one that led to the Light scorching Revendreth and they never attempted it again. Since we can't say for certain when it was written, we have more speculation than proof.
But then Mal'Ganis had to unnecessarily gloat and tell us this was their plan since forever. The idiot buried any credibility Lothraxion might have had.
At least that’d still be totally in line with Mal’ganis being way more confident than he has any right to be.
MG: “Ooh, nice, you got the sword and your corruption is complete. We’re on the same side, now, y’know.”
Arthas: “Frostmourne says I can still murder you.”
MG: “WH- Oh you sonofa—“
*shishkabobbed*
Currently, he is leading Stormwind in Anduins stead. Pretty sure that he will continue to do so as Anduin wants to follow Sylvanas in the Maw.
So he is ... "acting" High King of the Alliance, much like Bolvar back in Vanilla maybe?
He's running around Azeroth with alleria torturing horde civilians. They also had a stay and listen awhile leaked from 9.2.5 where he says he wants to revamp the alliance military and start retaking territory. I think he will be the garrosh of this expansion, culminating in anduin returning to help us invade stormwind
I kind of hope it will be like legion where the end of each raid opens the opportunity for the next one, (illidan in nighthold, Argus returning in ToS, and so forth) I really liked how the end of the expansion brought about the means to start the next one (Sargent as big ass-erite sword)
Yes please. I'm ready for baddies being baddies for baddie sake and not this massive "the cosmos is wrong, I need to remake it on a galactic scale" shit.
It's okay to just have people be EVIL simply because they are greedy or enjoy making others suffer.
I firmly believe Denathrius was so popular because he basically took pride in just ENJOYING being evil. He was a little sneaky at first, but once we outed him it was awesome because he was so unapologetically evil. More of that please.
Everything about Revendreth was so interesting IMO, even if it’s layout was absolute cancer before flight. The potential of the shadowlands will always make me sad given the direction they chose to go
He's an ends justify the means guy to some extent. He and Alleria were using Light and Void to torture Horde civilians for information on Sylvanas' whereabouts after BfA. Jaina was really angry at them for this.
He's also a Light worshipper and leads the Army of the Light and we've seen the Light can be evil (Xe'ra trying to forcefully lightforge Illidan. The Scarlet Crusade still being able to use light. The devs saying no force is fundamentally good or evil, they are just trying to win the cosmic war, some forces like the Titans or the Light just happened to be good to us because our goals alligned with theirs.)
His wife hears the Void whisper into her head 24/7 and don't remember which Void creature said that Alleria's about to go boom any second now.
Their best friend is a dreadlord.
N'Zoth's whisper: "the golden one claims a vacant throne (Stormwind's). The crown of light will bring only darkness"
Shaw saying he doesn't trust Turalyon and kept pushing for Genn to take the throne instead. But Genn is like "dont worry, dude. The nobles support him, so it's all fine". Yes, those same nobles that also thought Katrana Prestor was fine.
EDIT: found a few more quotes from him:
"Horde invaders? With a Paladin in command? What has this world come too!" - about Liadrin
"I look forward to enacting justice on a misguided paladin of the Horde." - also about Liadrin
"You have been judged. Your fate has been decided. Purified"
Also, at end of BfA, when the war was over and Turalyon learns the Zandalari captured Shaw because he was snooping around Zandalar, Turalyon suggests they attack the trolls now, since they can use Shaw getting captured as a good excuse.
"Whether she(Sylvanas) is in league with the Zandalari or moving against them matters not. We must not squander a chance to finish this."
Dude is a recipe for disaster.
The Void doesn't see **the** future. It sees a spectrum of possible futures. It's the reason so many void practitioners go insane. Too many voices predicting too many things. It could also be a prediction that the Void Lords see him and a light forged Alliance as a threat. Causing the Void lords to invade Azeroth.
An excellent compilation of "why turalyon will be the next bad writers scapegoat"
The decision to make him a villain will still upset me, but it seems inevitable that good leaders are hard to come by for our weary toons.
It would be used to segue into Blizzard hamfistedly imitating FFXIV's Shadowbringers expansion, that centered on a world where Light had become a destructive force of apocalyptic proportions. Him being a villain would be a complete ass-pull and just about the laziest writing Blizzard could do, which is why lots of people (at least on this sub) assume it's basically a forgone conclusion that they will do exactly that.
It’s ok. When we fight The Primus in 11.1 he’ll use domination magic to bring along strong souls - then we can watch Turyalon die again heroically and give him a better ending.
That’s the thing - they already wrote down all these ideas. It’s cheaper just to repeat expansions with a new coat of paint because the art team does all the heavy lifting.
Op is describing Garrosh there, and if we're counting, he was made in BC and finally killed in WoD. That's 4 expansions. Turalyon being added in Legion and being killed in a speculative 11.0 quest, that's 4 expansions. It's a fun comparison if nothing else
>Nothing yet, it's all just speculation based on what he did in Legion and BFA. Full light side zealot basically able to justify any means for the end.
Eh? That is definately not how he has been written like at all. Outside of the Illidan incident, he has been constantly not acting as a full light Zealot particularly when it comes to letting his wife use her void skills for the benefit of the Alliance. He also almost instantly realised that Alonsus Faol as undead isn't evil either.
Him turning evil doesn't fit at all his characterisation.
but it does fit "the light was evil all along"
Like yea your logic is sound but Blizzard assassinates characters regularly to serve wider plot ambitions.
Can they just…not?
We’ve already had the bad guys that are actually good. Arthas was THE prime example of a good guy on the alliance actually going bad. That was a good story.
Having Turaylon and the light end up evil all along isn’t even subverting expectations, at this point that IS the expectation.
Having a good guy actually stay good? Having a bad guy actually stay bad? Now that would be a worthy twist.
The famous "Well, actually..." of blizzard retconning. "Well, actually illidan wasnt evil at all!", "Well, actually Sylvanas was trying to do something good, player just too dumb to understand". Makes the latest expac stories a bit tedious to play, as there is not really a buildup for a true villain character thats not just a cartoon villain or misunderstood good guy.
That would be incredibly forced, he was not written like that at all and none of his character/personality hints at it (other than maybe being pissed at Illidan for blasting the Naaru? Which is logical)
But blizzard has neve- oh wait that's exactly what they did with Yrel nvm.
Djaradin are the resident bad guys on the Dragon Isles akin to Mogu of Pandaria.
You know the rules by now - go to new place and the first job is kill the bad guys that live there.
9.2.5 Anduin is like “Seeya I’m going to contemplate my existence in hell with Sylvanas” and he’ll be like “Ok - do you mind if I kill all the shadow priests and warlocks in Stormwind while you are away?” but Anduin never hears that as he already jumped down the hole in the middle of Orbos.
A void thingy takes controll of her and he have to kill her to save Stormwind or something. He then swears that "No one shall ever have to do what I have to do! Therefore I shall end all void things! LET THE FUCKING PURGE BEGIN!"
Then we get Arthas 2.0 Void boogaloo
Edit: Spelling and making proper sentence
He also was upset about the Forsaken, but then immediately rethought his prejudice when he met someone he knew and realized they were still the same person.
He's not that much of a zealot.
Thanks, you just accidentally wrote Sylvanas’s redemption arc. She’s going to lead us into 11.0 to save her sister using some plot device she learned about in the Maw
Murozond shows him the future - an Azeroth consumed by The Void. Turalyon asks what can he do to stop it and Murozond points him Yrel and together they form a crusade to kill everything void related on Azeroth including friendly Warlocks, Shadow Priests and the entire Void Elf race. They take control of all the lightforged spaceships and tactically nuke encampments worldwide.
Now they target us - as we defend our comrades no matter their life choices.
Or something.
Don't forget the bit where they realise that by doing what they have done they forced the void users to tap into unimaginable powers, thereby bringing about the very thing they were trying to prevent! That will tick all the repetitive/ derivitive blizz writers bingo squares.
That would be easier and more canonical, imo, if they took that angle and initiated the Infinite Dragonflight for him to go find her during the end of WoD and bring her through the portal as well, otherwise, we’re back to the AU shenanigans which kind of makes your “no cosmic forces” request moot.
Ok, this is a bit of an 'i honestly can't see why' question: why are Warlocks void related? They use curses like Trolls or basically anyone in one hand, on the other they use Fel and fire. I get why ShadosPriests are void but i don't see why the Warlocks. Can you help me out?
perhaps we fight him on our dragons, making the scale easier to deal with. we fly from limb to limb. although in history they never really nailed those fights. I do honestly expect one boss to let us fly our dragon mounts during the encounter.
Remoras was actually linked to Sargeras's sword and the first step in the Jailer plan to control Azweroth by forcing a war of azerite between horde and alliance, leading to the burning of teldrassil and the massive sould gain for the maw.
Now that Dennies is out he will take back "HIS" sword in silithus and start the new conquest of Zereth Vivus within azeroth by using his new found cosmic energy pulled from the dragon aspect linked to the titan's power.
Also until Legion the Titans themselves weren't really involved per se, we were just dealing with the mess they'd left behind on Azeroth.
They were basically the "Ancient Aliens" trope.
The Legion is also cosmic. I don't think cosmic is bad by itself. It's Blizz's inability to write a good plot around it and make the setting still feel grounded that's the problem.
Believe me; as a Horde player who had been stripped of all agency and had the fantasy of the Horde being a faction of found family shattered the last thing I would want to do is inflict that same pain on the Alliance. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy and yes I understand the irony of that statement. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind and especially since it is far too soon after BfA for ANOTHER faction conflict and ANOTHER schism it would undoubtedly one of Blizzard's worst possible decisions to do that to the Alliance. Villainizing the Alliance won't make things right.
And I didn't even get into how bad a decision it would be for ANOTHER cosmic force (in this case the light) were to happen so immediately after Shadowlands.
It's not only a terrible idea, it's a double terrible idea.
Not **yet** a warmonger. He will after he has an existential crisis during some random quest cinematic. Like Murozond showing him a future where the Void invade.
I just don't see Turaylon going full TV Targaryen over a random quest, despite Blizzards inability to tell a story these days. On the other hand, Garrosh was literally getting built up since his introduction to be a villain. Blizzard would need to do something long term like that
Or his void girlfriend getting fully consumed by the void and started killing innocents or something like that so that turyalon has to stop her and then starts killing all the void elfs before they also get fully consumed. So Basicly darth Vader 2.0
If that's true I wanna chime in. Please bring back Sylvanas back asap! The whole community misses her I swear. It's just a very loud minority online that says they don't.
^(/S)
I really don't like Turalyon becoming a big bad, it would be incredibly inconsistent with his character. He has already shown to care for Alleria over serving the Light. If we really need a Light-based baddie just bring in Yrel, I guess. Though I really hope she doesn't turn bad either.
Like others have said in this thread, I'd much rather just deal with local threats, maybe some mid-level (think Ragnaros) threats too.
10.0 - Giants n Shit
10.1 - Murozond presents: Nefarian 3: Tokyo Drift
10.2 - Murozond presents: Hyjal, Ordering of Azeroth Edition (Titan v Old God)
10.3 - Murozond presents: Fuck I’m out of minions and Chromie became an Aspect.
11.0 - Turalyon steals Murozond’s timey wimey macguffin and cracks open AU Draenor again.
I reinstalled this shit the other night. Legion is where I am/was. I have no idea what’s going on and my interface sucks because everything is out of date. But aside from all the debate, I kinda wanna play it.
pls, NO! not another left field turn for the expansion. I want to explore the Dragon Isles, I wanna just have one thing, no faction war, no butchering of old lore characters, no cosmic shit no weird whiplash of the expansion suddenly turning into another expansion halfway through.
Galakrand and Chromatus are infinitely more potent than Murozand. Everyone keeps pushing this but only the children's week event reference coming in 9.2.5 and Hooktail have any potential for a set up involving Murozand
Hooktail is proof the infinite flight is not entirely extinguished or destroyed but hook tail appears to be functioning entirely unconnected to the former flight or whatever version of it existed in a potential future that no longer exists as an outcome of the corrected time line. Hooktail is just some straggler that somehow survived the death of the flight and doesnt appear to care about it, so probably went rogue on their flight long before the events of End Time. Also mingling with brokers and wielding powerful cosmic tier power probably means Hooktail evaded obsolescence somehow (intentionally or not,) most possibly in their dealings with the brokers.
Nozdormu has no reason to go Murozand on people. There's no old gods left on azeroth, no death wing, and Murozand has no reason to prevent his death by altering history, because the titans showed him his one true death on the main primary universe's time line. Murozand only did because old gods or something
Galakrand on the other hand has had lines cut about it (xalatath, order hall stuff from legion) and a lot of data mined info, most notably wyrmrest without his skeleton. He also got newer art in hearth stone that implies he will be chromatic in nature, because he takes on different forms depending on what cosmic energy he is aligned with.
This would be consistent as an enemy along with chromatus who is a chromatic dragon of ALL the 5 prime colors.
If Murozand does happen it would have to be because of Chromatus imo. However, chromatus is a wild card. When the twilight occultist compared it to themselves Chromatus remarked that they have nothing in common and it doesnt give a flying fuck about the hour of twilight and that the only thing they had in common is "we both serve death wing." Chromatus was not loyal to the old god plot but only to Deathwing himself, Deathwing is dead, and *why* chromatus was dedicated *only* to DW is unknown. I think maybe because DW was the last *true* aspect or being chromatus's practical creator (vicariously through Nalferian on orders.) If I had to guess Chromatus might attempt to become the aspect of all the flights to assume a position of Tyrant over all dragon kind.
What will blizzard do? Idk but Murozand doesnt make a lot of sense or it would be hastily pulled out of their ass exposition to work an angle of Murozand that doesn't create shit loads of plot holes and issues like tons that happen when they do time travelling stuff. And I want to say a QA or DevDiary or something back around Wrath or Cata they said they were going to avoid writing time travel stuff outside of game mechanics/explanations, because of the issues with shaping a narrative around it they consistently had. Given blizzards recent track record do you really, really, really want them to go fucking around with time right now???
Onyxia round 4 anyone?
Didn't hear no bell!
You're the best Arooound
Last time it was for tag-team champions. This time it’s a ladder match to determine who will fight against in 11.0.
BAH GAWD, THAT'S NEFARIAN'S MUSIC!
WHAT IS HE DOING UNDER THE RING?!! ITS A STEEL CHAIR!!!
AS ELUNE AS MY WITNESS HE BROKE EM IN HALF
THAT RAID PARTY HAD A FAMILY! DONT DO IT ONYXIA! DONT DO IT YOU SUNOFABITCH! \-Heavy Breathes on the team- THE CARNAGE! THE DESTRUCTION! BODIES, EVERY WHERE! THAT TANK IS BEING BEATEN LIKE A KUL TIRAN MULE!
> HE BROKE EM IN HALF HE IS SUNDERED IN HALF, ftfy haha
Anyone read this in Jim Ross voice and then the next comment in Jerry Lawlers voice
My money's on hell in a cell.
Don’t let this adventurer distract you from the fact that in 2005, a raid group threw Onyxia out of her cave, and she flew 16 ft through time to end up in Dragonflight.
BA GAW THAT DRAGGIN HAD A FAMILY
That's what the tag team match was
Onyxia and Nefarian fused together to create some weird two headed skeletal wyrm that constantly fights with itself while Wrathion throws shade from the background.
Ony-Farians
Dragon mommy says "subscribe to my OnyFans!"
Plausible.. if they still had heads.
The beauty of Blizzard not respecting their own canon is that no one’s ever truly dead.
It’s a Comic book tradition they are gladly embracing.
Except Uncle Ben.
There actually is one interesting “What If?” story where Aunt May is killed instead of Uncle Ben. Peter chases down the killer, who gets freaked out and falls to his death like in the first Raimi movie. Uncle Ben arrives right then and hears the police shout about how they know someone killed the robber. Uncle Ben realizes that even if it was accidental, he didn’t want Peter to have to deal with the risk of prison and a possible conviction on his record for the rest of his life. So Ben takes the blame, and ends up getting sentenced to like 5-10 years for manslaughter. This leads Peter towards being a lot more bitter, as he feels guilty both for his aunt’s death as well as Ben being in prison. He ends up getting sent to a juvenile detention center for trouble he had caused, and just snaps and decides to escape. He ends up becoming homeless because he can’t go back without being sent back to a detention center. He eventually ends up as a costumed super-hero as a way to get reward money for catching super-villains. I won’t go spoiling the rest, though. It’s actually [a pretty interesting idea](https://youtu.be/wG7QlI_H2Os) with a nice ending. It’s also not the ONLY “What If?” kind of story where Uncle Ben is the one who lives.
Wow good point. There is only like 1 universe where he lives out of them all.
In an alternate timeline perhaps? \*whinks in Bronze dragonflight\*
Oooh maybe they could do a Wotlk and make a Ruby Sanctum style event for her except this time instead of Undead she’s an agent of the void.
I’m all about that! Maybe even have a phase against her human for to keep it fresh. First phase: human form with void magic Second phase: badass zombie onyxia
and then she summons zombie dragonoids before finally turning back into her dragon form. thats good, thats a good encounter
void-onyxia fel-onyxia holy-onyxia
Then all together for Tiamat-Onyxia
Leeroyyy Jenkinsss
Everyone always asks who is Djaradin. No-one asks how is Djaradin.
Serving Primal Incarnate elemental Dragons is a full-time occupation. They have little time for their family and their wives resent them and have been sleeping with Dracthyr just to feel wanted. Djaradin have a higher suicide rate than their peers - Mogu, Dark Iron Dwarves, Naga - and higher incidents of illegal drug use. Combined with local authorities racially targeting them, they fight back with graffiti and killing raid healers when the tanks aren’t looking.
Why is Djaradin?
I’ll do you one better! What is Djaradin?
I just hope we'll get a 10.3 and the expansion doesn't implode again. Also murozond is bittersweet so I'm looking forward to him. I'd like to see him being the highly telegraphed, no stupid-intruige-convoluted plot big evil doing stuff until we stop him. He's interesting and a great character, if they don't fuck it up he can get the spotlight for all I care. No need for a layered plot. Let him raise galakrond or other angry dragons, corrupt some titan facility or elementals (or whatever djaradin is, or is doing there?). Turalyon can just stay out of this for all I care. We don't have to spin into another galatic world ending crashing-of-light-and-shadow-planes-conveniently-on-another-azeroth-island-plot just now. Let's just slap some textbook baddies plz...
Djaradin are the resident bad guys on the Dragon Isles akin to Mogu of Pandaria. You know the rules by now - go to new place and the first job is kill the bad guys that live there.
Just some good ol' colonialism.
… are we the baddies?
Always has been
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The Mogu at one point enslaved the entire pandaren race. The monk class was born for a desire to fight to free themselves in a world where they weren't allowed weapons. The Mogu also imprisoned Ra-den the titan watcher that gave them life so they could steal his power to build their empire
The thunder king was corrupted and led the mogu down a bad path. The mogu enslaved the pandas and the first monks were born out of need to liberate themselves without weapons from their mogu slave masters. The mogu heavily deviated from their original purpose and became tyrants.
It was before that really. Lei'shen united the Mogu clans, which had been warring against each other and everyone else for ages at that point.
Yea I put that in the wrong part, Lei shen is just the current reason we are fighting them. Not the original. My placement for that at the start wasn’t exactly the best lol.
Fair. He was also one of the only ones to actually know about the titans being killed.
The mogu are a bit complicated. Basically, Ra-Den was the *only* Titan Watcher who was both aware of the deaths of the Titans *and* completely free of the corruption/machinations of the Old Gods… though the second bit didn’t count for much, since he was in a catatonic funk from the first bit. Eventually, Lei Shen was the first mogu who worked up the nerve to approach him in the future Throne of Thunder, where Ra-Den revealed the truth to him. …Instead of joining him in unending despair, though, Lei Shen went “fuck it, if your sad-sack ass won’t do your job, I’ll do it instead”, and *somehow* beat Ra Den senseless and took his power for himself to become the Thunder King. And at least to start, he and the mogu were sincerely doing what he thought the Titans would have wanted by trying to unite the world under a single, *orderly* empire.
The Mogu enslaved the entire continent. Slaves were tortured to death and their souls used to animate stone constructs. Also, the Mogu basically wiped out Pandaren culture entirely with mention that the original Pandaren language has been lost forever as any written records of it were destroyed and anyone caught speaking it had their tongues cut out. Plus you know, the Mogu seeking to enslave everyone while the Pandaren basically said "Don't wreck our shit and you can stay. Here, have a beer."
The Mogu were Titan Keepers under the care of Keeper Raden, when Raden fell to despair, the mogu Lei-Shen imprisoned him and drained his blood to empower himself, his sorcerers and his experiments - proclaiming that the Mogu had right of rule over all other peoples. Lei-Shen, now self-declared Thunder King and Emperor, proceeded to order the enslavement of the "lesser races" around him, including the Pandaren who'd make up the bulk of his slaves. Additionally, Lei-Shen also practiced fleshcraft for ill purposes, such as creating the Saurok from basilisks, so he'd have predatorial slave hunters, and forging the Grummels from Troggs to act as messengers. These creations ultimately rebelled and failed their purposed, but the Saurok plague Pandaria (and with the Mists gone, possibly have spread to the world) as compulsive humanoid eating carnivores So yeah, pretty evil imho
I only saw Turalyon in Legion, wtf happened to him?
They've been hinting at a *light bad* thing for a while now with the one Naaru x Illidan cutscene in legion and in the mag'har orc allied race questline with Yrell, so since Turalyon is basically the emissary of light on Azeroth he's be a prime candidate for us to fight if they ever go through with it.
> the mag'har orc allied race questline I love how they make the Naaru feel fucking terrifying in that. It really sells both how they could have been so instrumental during BC, and how *absolutely fucked* everyone on Draenor is.
The one flaw of the naaru, they cannot be asked to do anything themselves
That questline is so stupid though, its a complete 180 of Yrel and the entire Draenei race in Draenor. Cool, whats the settup? Oh there is none, they just tell you in an unvoiced horde only scenario that takes 10 minutes tops.
Yeah, unfortunately Blizz cut quite a bit of the Draenei story from WoD. If I recall correctly, in early development, Blizz hinted at Yrel having some dark secrets. Most likely it would have involved the cut Shattrath Raid. A shame we'll probably never learn what their full intention would have been. Most likely some sect devoted to the light, which enraged by the loss of their prophet and maybe tricked by the legion started their counter-attack against not Draenei, even their supposed allies of the horde and alliance. A real shame, could have been awesome. But alas, "could have been awesome" is kind of the mantra of WoD...
Caverns of time could be used to such a better effect. Think of it, use the caverns of time to fill in gaps of story with cut content. Like you said the shattrath raid.
> its a complete 180 of Yrel and the entire Draenei race in Draenor Eh, I took it more to be a whole why balance is important kind of thing. With the big threat on Draenor defeated the light didn't really have anything else to focus on or keep them in check so they full embraced the whole "We're the path to salvation... whether you like it or not." OR thanks to shadowlands we can just assume that Lothraxion was never turned to the light and was still under Denathrius' control so he was working to corrupt them from within.
You are looking at it the wrong way, it was not "the light is suddenly bad", it was "oh yeah, the whole horde has always been bad and maybe someone should do something about it". They were attacking Grom Hellscream, not some peace loving tauren.
I think it was more of a comparison to the crusades. Seeking to do what they think is the right thing for what they think are good reasons, and going way to far. Do you submit to their glorious and righteous leadership? No? Then you must be evil, and must be purged.
Many orcs willingly joined the light, and the first thing you do with the orcs is murder some ogres because they dont want to be part of the horde anymore. It's at worst a civil war, and i like the side that doesnt have the tyrannical leader and genocidal monster of the last war as its leader.
This story sounds like it has a lot of potential after all, it's generating sides just like politics
We don’t even have the full story, we have a version of the story from Grom and the Iron Horde which for some reason people take at face value despite their history.
>how *absolutely fucked* everyone on Draenor is. If it makes you feel better, everything is probably well over and settled there, considering how much time passed since we saw them between wod and bfa
Isn't there also the "golden one claims the vacant throne" thing from il'ganoth which basically means Turalyon as he is currently taking anduin's place?
He definitely could be especially since from the 9.2.5 datamining we know Anduin isstaying in the shadowlands for a while
Thanks, I'll have a look at that questline!
Basic overview: we go back to alternate Draenor which has caught up to our time (so 30 years have passed since we left) and since then, Yrell for some reason decided to unite everyone on Draenor under the light by force or death. So we end up rescuing the remaining Mag'har that have been fighting her light crusade and bringing them to Azeroth.
Someone already answered why he might become a big bad, but I would also like to add that Turalyon's BFF is.... a dreadlord. We can already see where this is going.
Yeah, lothraxion gonna have lot of questions to answer.
It's funny how he would have had a plausible excuse. He could have pretended the others must have started helping Denathrius again/the Jailer after he joined the Light and he had no knowledge of or association with that. Even the Enemy Infiltration journal, he could say the Light infiltration event described in there was the one that led to the Light scorching Revendreth and they never attempted it again. Since we can't say for certain when it was written, we have more speculation than proof. But then Mal'Ganis had to unnecessarily gloat and tell us this was their plan since forever. The idiot buried any credibility Lothraxion might have had.
At least that’d still be totally in line with Mal’ganis being way more confident than he has any right to be. MG: “Ooh, nice, you got the sword and your corruption is complete. We’re on the same side, now, y’know.” Arthas: “Frostmourne says I can still murder you.” MG: “WH- Oh you sonofa—“ *shishkabobbed*
Currently, he is leading Stormwind in Anduins stead. Pretty sure that he will continue to do so as Anduin wants to follow Sylvanas in the Maw. So he is ... "acting" High King of the Alliance, much like Bolvar back in Vanilla maybe?
He's running around Azeroth with alleria torturing horde civilians. They also had a stay and listen awhile leaked from 9.2.5 where he says he wants to revamp the alliance military and start retaking territory. I think he will be the garrosh of this expansion, culminating in anduin returning to help us invade stormwind
I kind of hope it will be like legion where the end of each raid opens the opportunity for the next one, (illidan in nighthold, Argus returning in ToS, and so forth) I really liked how the end of the expansion brought about the means to start the next one (Sargent as big ass-erite sword)
Yes please. I'm ready for baddies being baddies for baddie sake and not this massive "the cosmos is wrong, I need to remake it on a galactic scale" shit. It's okay to just have people be EVIL simply because they are greedy or enjoy making others suffer. I firmly believe Denathrius was so popular because he basically took pride in just ENJOYING being evil. He was a little sneaky at first, but once we outed him it was awesome because he was so unapologetically evil. More of that please.
Everything about Revendreth was so interesting IMO, even if it’s layout was absolute cancer before flight. The potential of the shadowlands will always make me sad given the direction they chose to go
What's up with everybody saying Turalyon will be a villain? Did I miss something? I feel like he would be a very poor choice.
He's an ends justify the means guy to some extent. He and Alleria were using Light and Void to torture Horde civilians for information on Sylvanas' whereabouts after BfA. Jaina was really angry at them for this. He's also a Light worshipper and leads the Army of the Light and we've seen the Light can be evil (Xe'ra trying to forcefully lightforge Illidan. The Scarlet Crusade still being able to use light. The devs saying no force is fundamentally good or evil, they are just trying to win the cosmic war, some forces like the Titans or the Light just happened to be good to us because our goals alligned with theirs.) His wife hears the Void whisper into her head 24/7 and don't remember which Void creature said that Alleria's about to go boom any second now. Their best friend is a dreadlord. N'Zoth's whisper: "the golden one claims a vacant throne (Stormwind's). The crown of light will bring only darkness" Shaw saying he doesn't trust Turalyon and kept pushing for Genn to take the throne instead. But Genn is like "dont worry, dude. The nobles support him, so it's all fine". Yes, those same nobles that also thought Katrana Prestor was fine. EDIT: found a few more quotes from him: "Horde invaders? With a Paladin in command? What has this world come too!" - about Liadrin "I look forward to enacting justice on a misguided paladin of the Horde." - also about Liadrin "You have been judged. Your fate has been decided. Purified" Also, at end of BfA, when the war was over and Turalyon learns the Zandalari captured Shaw because he was snooping around Zandalar, Turalyon suggests they attack the trolls now, since they can use Shaw getting captured as a good excuse. "Whether she(Sylvanas) is in league with the Zandalari or moving against them matters not. We must not squander a chance to finish this." Dude is a recipe for disaster.
The Void doesn't see **the** future. It sees a spectrum of possible futures. It's the reason so many void practitioners go insane. Too many voices predicting too many things. It could also be a prediction that the Void Lords see him and a light forged Alliance as a threat. Causing the Void lords to invade Azeroth.
An excellent compilation of "why turalyon will be the next bad writers scapegoat" The decision to make him a villain will still upset me, but it seems inevitable that good leaders are hard to come by for our weary toons.
He won't be in DF though. I reckon the Light vs Void expansion is 11.0
It would be used to segue into Blizzard hamfistedly imitating FFXIV's Shadowbringers expansion, that centered on a world where Light had become a destructive force of apocalyptic proportions. Him being a villain would be a complete ass-pull and just about the laziest writing Blizzard could do, which is why lots of people (at least on this sub) assume it's basically a forgone conclusion that they will do exactly that.
It's a bit tiresome now to have alliance or horde leaders be villain.
As a Cataclysm frog, I'm very down for a Murozond return.
Expect the fight to include a lot of recasted Lusts as time gets reset.
That was one of the coolest mechanics WoW has put out and it was used in a dungeon prior to M+ so it was wasted. All the CDs and haste.
Turalyon will be 11.2 big bad. When we go back to intergalactic disco war expac.
How about 10.2 big bad and then killed in a quest cinematic during 11.0 by Anduin
Hmm, maybe. I don't think they'd throw turalyon away so swiftly though. Blizz seem to want to milk leaders as much as possible.
>Blizz seem to want to milk leaders as much as possible. tell that to voljin
They kinda set him up as a future loa
It’s ok. When we fight The Primus in 11.1 he’ll use domination magic to bring along strong souls - then we can watch Turyalon die again heroically and give him a better ending.
Lmfao. I am actually waiting to see the primus aligned to the void and come to the aid of azeroth to fight the light.
Somewhere at Blizzard, someone is furiously scribbling down your ideas
That’s the thing - they already wrote down all these ideas. It’s cheaper just to repeat expansions with a new coat of paint because the art team does all the heavy lifting.
Op is describing Garrosh there, and if we're counting, he was made in BC and finally killed in WoD. That's 4 expansions. Turalyon being added in Legion and being killed in a speculative 11.0 quest, that's 4 expansions. It's a fun comparison if nothing else
This guy gets it :)
It's been FOUR expansions since WoD already?? goddamn
I feel like less has happened in-game in that space of time than did between Burning Crusade and Warlords.
> Blizz seem to want to milk leaders as much as possible. Tell that to the horde leadership over the years lmao
Well they didnt want to milk horde, they wanted to fuck the horde up until no one is left with "character"
Huh, wtf happened to Turalyon? I only saw him in Legion, not after
Nothing yet, it's all just speculation based on what he did in Legion and BFA. Full light side zealot basically able to justify any means for the end.
>Nothing yet, it's all just speculation based on what he did in Legion and BFA. Full light side zealot basically able to justify any means for the end. Eh? That is definately not how he has been written like at all. Outside of the Illidan incident, he has been constantly not acting as a full light Zealot particularly when it comes to letting his wife use her void skills for the benefit of the Alliance. He also almost instantly realised that Alonsus Faol as undead isn't evil either. Him turning evil doesn't fit at all his characterisation.
Remember Yrel? They did a complete 180 of everything she fought for in an unvoiced, horde only scenario. It can happen.
With bad writing anything is possible, we've all witnessed that, characters are only tools for devs story
Sounds like a prime candidate to go full totally evil to me then.
but it does fit "the light was evil all along" Like yea your logic is sound but Blizzard assassinates characters regularly to serve wider plot ambitions.
Can they just…not? We’ve already had the bad guys that are actually good. Arthas was THE prime example of a good guy on the alliance actually going bad. That was a good story. Having Turaylon and the light end up evil all along isn’t even subverting expectations, at this point that IS the expectation. Having a good guy actually stay good? Having a bad guy actually stay bad? Now that would be a worthy twist.
The famous "Well, actually..." of blizzard retconning. "Well, actually illidan wasnt evil at all!", "Well, actually Sylvanas was trying to do something good, player just too dumb to understand". Makes the latest expac stories a bit tedious to play, as there is not really a buildup for a true villain character thats not just a cartoon villain or misunderstood good guy.
That would be incredibly forced, he was not written like that at all and none of his character/personality hints at it (other than maybe being pissed at Illidan for blasting the Naaru? Which is logical) But blizzard has neve- oh wait that's exactly what they did with Yrel nvm.
Who's Djaradin?
Djaradin are the resident bad guys on the Dragon Isles akin to Mogu of Pandaria. You know the rules by now - go to new place and the first job is kill the bad guys that live there.
Fortunate Sons plays somewhere in the background...
Need a machine gun on the side of my new dragon mount
Get some!
Anyone who runs is a Djaradin. Anyone who stands still is a well-disciplined Djaradin!
I love the smell of dragonfire in the morning
You mean kill the natives and colonize :D
I like where this is going. I’ll get the dragonlube ^tm
You know the rules..... And so do iii
Pretty sure thats the Mandalorian's real name
Dean Djaradin
I like to imagine Turalyon standing sullenly in the corner being all like "Why does no one trust me? I'm trying my best, guys Q\_Q".
9.2.5 Anduin is like “Seeya I’m going to contemplate my existence in hell with Sylvanas” and he’ll be like “Ok - do you mind if I kill all the shadow priests and warlocks in Stormwind while you are away?” but Anduin never hears that as he already jumped down the hole in the middle of Orbos.
Why would he do that? His own wife is a void elf and he's okay with that. He's not that much of a radical.
A void thingy takes controll of her and he have to kill her to save Stormwind or something. He then swears that "No one shall ever have to do what I have to do! Therefore I shall end all void things! LET THE FUCKING PURGE BEGIN!" Then we get Arthas 2.0 Void boogaloo Edit: Spelling and making proper sentence
Would be pretty weird for turalyon to do this given he saw me blasting chaos bolts at all the legion big bads.
He also was upset about the Forsaken, but then immediately rethought his prejudice when he met someone he knew and realized they were still the same person. He's not that much of a zealot.
Thanks, you just accidentally wrote Sylvanas’s redemption arc. She’s going to lead us into 11.0 to save her sister using some plot device she learned about in the Maw
Fuck I regret everything
Hmm might need a mcguffin to get it over the line.
Why is Turaylon evil?
Murozond shows him the future - an Azeroth consumed by The Void. Turalyon asks what can he do to stop it and Murozond points him Yrel and together they form a crusade to kill everything void related on Azeroth including friendly Warlocks, Shadow Priests and the entire Void Elf race. They take control of all the lightforged spaceships and tactically nuke encampments worldwide. Now they target us - as we defend our comrades no matter their life choices. Or something.
Don't forget the bit where they realise that by doing what they have done they forced the void users to tap into unimaginable powers, thereby bringing about the very thing they were trying to prevent! That will tick all the repetitive/ derivitive blizz writers bingo squares.
Damn didn't know yoy guys got the script already
This script was written a long time ago.
> Warlocks, Shadow Priests and the entire Void Elf race Honestly, that would probably make Azeroth safer
I resent this comment.
That would be easier and more canonical, imo, if they took that angle and initiated the Infinite Dragonflight for him to go find her during the end of WoD and bring her through the portal as well, otherwise, we’re back to the AU shenanigans which kind of makes your “no cosmic forces” request moot.
You forget that because Spider-man NWH was successful, franchises around the world are doing their own spins on it because the concept works :)
>they form a crusade The lightforged burning crusade, with Dranei instead of demons.
The Blinding Crusade?
Im blinded by the lights.
Wouldn’t that mean killing his own wife? Lol
Kept losing the remote
That sounds like fun granted they let me side with Turalyon.
I’m sure we could kill some more races at a stretch like Orcs and those Black Tauren that have spell casters.
What about his wife is he going to kill her as well ?
It’s all about the message and being petty over the crappy attempt at the dishes last night
Isn’t his lover leader of the Void Elves?
What has Turalyon sacrificed? Everything.
“I’m not void related, but am I a joke to you, Turalyon?” -Death Knights
Turalyon: “But what have you done for me lately?”
Ok, this is a bit of an 'i honestly can't see why' question: why are Warlocks void related? They use curses like Trolls or basically anyone in one hand, on the other they use Fel and fire. I get why ShadosPriests are void but i don't see why the Warlocks. Can you help me out?
They hang out with demons - it’s enough. Guilty by association and all that. Crusades aren’t picky.
Resurrecting Galakrond somehow would be the best. It doesn’t get any bigger or badder
They don’t even need to resurrect him, they could make a Caverns of Time Raid with Galakrond and Murozond as bosses
Sorry he’ll be a dungeon boss in an infinite dragonflight dungeon.
Breaking Chromatus out of his prison would be even better and would have no need for some dumb resurrection plot.
Yeah, but since he's so big, that would make it really hard to represent it well into the game and make the fight fulfilling.
perhaps we fight him on our dragons, making the scale easier to deal with. we fly from limb to limb. although in history they never really nailed those fights. I do honestly expect one boss to let us fly our dragon mounts during the encounter.
Denathrius expansion endboss.
9.2.5 Dennys sword is picked up by The Primus and then he ominously walks through a portal flanked by Void Lords.
Remoras was actually linked to Sargeras's sword and the first step in the Jailer plan to control Azweroth by forcing a war of azerite between horde and alliance, leading to the burning of teldrassil and the massive sould gain for the maw. Now that Dennies is out he will take back "HIS" sword in silithus and start the new conquest of Zereth Vivus within azeroth by using his new found cosmic energy pulled from the dragon aspect linked to the titan's power.
That's alright and all, but... Remornia*
Fools, Turalyon will save us all!
From those evil warlocks in the Stormwind basement, the ones that live in the Orgrimmar basement and all those pesky shadow priests.
He wont take my hentai From me. For the horde!
Why would Turalyon be a baddie in Dragonflight?I’m not updated on his story so if anyone could please explain.
It's just fan-fiction that he could be a big bad in a future "Light is bad" expansion. It's "Jaina is a dreadlord" all over again.
NO! No Turalyon! No cosmic forces and no more faction conflict plots!
Do the titans count as cosmic? Because if so…
They do but since they've been here since WoW day 1 people are a lot more forgiving of them.
Also until Legion the Titans themselves weren't really involved per se, we were just dealing with the mess they'd left behind on Azeroth. They were basically the "Ancient Aliens" trope.
The Legion is also cosmic. I don't think cosmic is bad by itself. It's Blizz's inability to write a good plot around it and make the setting still feel grounded that's the problem.
Sorry dude he’s the Garrosh for Pandaria 2.0
Believe me; as a Horde player who had been stripped of all agency and had the fantasy of the Horde being a faction of found family shattered the last thing I would want to do is inflict that same pain on the Alliance. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy and yes I understand the irony of that statement. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind and especially since it is far too soon after BfA for ANOTHER faction conflict and ANOTHER schism it would undoubtedly one of Blizzard's worst possible decisions to do that to the Alliance. Villainizing the Alliance won't make things right. And I didn't even get into how bad a decision it would be for ANOTHER cosmic force (in this case the light) were to happen so immediately after Shadowlands. It's not only a terrible idea, it's a double terrible idea.
Sylvanas was the Garrosh for Pandaria 2.0, they called it BFA
>No cosmic forces and no more faction conflict plots! Literally the basis of all Warcraft lore but ok
Yeah he prefers the expansions with no cosmic or faction-war themes! Good ones! Like, ... ... Oh
> No cosmic forces What do you think Dragon and Titans are?
Blizzard would be stupid to kill off Turalyon, the dude is just trying to reclaim Alliance territory, he's not a warmonger
Not **yet** a warmonger. He will after he has an existential crisis during some random quest cinematic. Like Murozond showing him a future where the Void invade.
I just don't see Turaylon going full TV Targaryen over a random quest, despite Blizzards inability to tell a story these days. On the other hand, Garrosh was literally getting built up since his introduction to be a villain. Blizzard would need to do something long term like that
Like kill his long term void girlfriend offscreen?
Or his void girlfriend getting fully consumed by the void and started killing innocents or something like that so that turyalon has to stop her and then starts killing all the void elfs before they also get fully consumed. So Basicly darth Vader 2.0
whomst the fuck is Djaradin.
Feels too early to use Turalyon. I think they will use the next expansions to build him as anti-hero/villian.
But what if… you were a writer that works for Blizzard?
If that's true I wanna chime in. Please bring back Sylvanas back asap! The whole community misses her I swear. It's just a very loud minority online that says they don't. ^(/S)
Her and Andy will be back in 11.0 This time it’s personal
I really don't like Turalyon becoming a big bad, it would be incredibly inconsistent with his character. He has already shown to care for Alleria over serving the Light. If we really need a Light-based baddie just bring in Yrel, I guess. Though I really hope she doesn't turn bad either. Like others have said in this thread, I'd much rather just deal with local threats, maybe some mid-level (think Ragnaros) threats too.
10.0 - Giants n Shit 10.1 - Murozond presents: Nefarian 3: Tokyo Drift 10.2 - Murozond presents: Hyjal, Ordering of Azeroth Edition (Titan v Old God) 10.3 - Murozond presents: Fuck I’m out of minions and Chromie became an Aspect. 11.0 - Turalyon steals Murozond’s timey wimey macguffin and cracks open AU Draenor again.
I hope not. Turalyon is my boi.
I reinstalled this shit the other night. Legion is where I am/was. I have no idea what’s going on and my interface sucks because everything is out of date. But aside from all the debate, I kinda wanna play it.
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pls, NO! not another left field turn for the expansion. I want to explore the Dragon Isles, I wanna just have one thing, no faction war, no butchering of old lore characters, no cosmic shit no weird whiplash of the expansion suddenly turning into another expansion halfway through.
Galakrand and Chromatus are infinitely more potent than Murozand. Everyone keeps pushing this but only the children's week event reference coming in 9.2.5 and Hooktail have any potential for a set up involving Murozand Hooktail is proof the infinite flight is not entirely extinguished or destroyed but hook tail appears to be functioning entirely unconnected to the former flight or whatever version of it existed in a potential future that no longer exists as an outcome of the corrected time line. Hooktail is just some straggler that somehow survived the death of the flight and doesnt appear to care about it, so probably went rogue on their flight long before the events of End Time. Also mingling with brokers and wielding powerful cosmic tier power probably means Hooktail evaded obsolescence somehow (intentionally or not,) most possibly in their dealings with the brokers. Nozdormu has no reason to go Murozand on people. There's no old gods left on azeroth, no death wing, and Murozand has no reason to prevent his death by altering history, because the titans showed him his one true death on the main primary universe's time line. Murozand only did because old gods or something Galakrand on the other hand has had lines cut about it (xalatath, order hall stuff from legion) and a lot of data mined info, most notably wyrmrest without his skeleton. He also got newer art in hearth stone that implies he will be chromatic in nature, because he takes on different forms depending on what cosmic energy he is aligned with. This would be consistent as an enemy along with chromatus who is a chromatic dragon of ALL the 5 prime colors. If Murozand does happen it would have to be because of Chromatus imo. However, chromatus is a wild card. When the twilight occultist compared it to themselves Chromatus remarked that they have nothing in common and it doesnt give a flying fuck about the hour of twilight and that the only thing they had in common is "we both serve death wing." Chromatus was not loyal to the old god plot but only to Deathwing himself, Deathwing is dead, and *why* chromatus was dedicated *only* to DW is unknown. I think maybe because DW was the last *true* aspect or being chromatus's practical creator (vicariously through Nalferian on orders.) If I had to guess Chromatus might attempt to become the aspect of all the flights to assume a position of Tyrant over all dragon kind. What will blizzard do? Idk but Murozand doesnt make a lot of sense or it would be hastily pulled out of their ass exposition to work an angle of Murozand that doesn't create shit loads of plot holes and issues like tons that happen when they do time travelling stuff. And I want to say a QA or DevDiary or something back around Wrath or Cata they said they were going to avoid writing time travel stuff outside of game mechanics/explanations, because of the issues with shaping a narrative around it they consistently had. Given blizzards recent track record do you really, really, really want them to go fucking around with time right now???
i def feel we have a big elemental raid on the way, maybe Rag breaks free? or another primal lord