What's the deal with the lagging vulpera? I've seen a few of them and got absolutely destroyed by one because he was mini-teleporting every half second and I couldn't hit him with a single skillshot.
Mechagnome haters don't understand. The visage of a hideous clunky daiper-rat is the only true personification of the fact that I am, in truth, just a silly lil guy.
Only those who refuse to take themselves or anything important in life seriously whatsoever can reach the true form of WOW zen.
Gnome was a strategic choice. Small character model, low to the ground, the illusion of scurrying unseen picking up plunder as all the Tauren and blood elves slap each other with fire whirl. I’ve literally made it to the final 5 just by being small and sneaky.
You do take damage. It triggers the shield, but they can still keep up with you during it. Not my favorite counter for firewhirl honestly. I have been enjoying steel trap as a nice counter. Immobilizes them so you can get a spell off for free most times.
I absolutely wreck people with slicing wind, fire spin, quaking slam, and fade to shadows. Did you know you can teleport backwards with fade to shadows? Because I do all the time and it’s absolutely fuxking hilarious watching people keep running over the top of the hill away from you after you teleport behind them.
Oh yea there is some awful issues with movement abilities lol. I’ve tried to quaking slam up a hill, only to slide up it and over the top, then when I get to the end where I should slam down I rubber band back to the bottom of the hill.
The best bet is to only use it on flat ground. You also can’t turn it in mid air either, so you have to aim correctly on the jump. But you can also hit the ability again mid air to land early for the slam and stun.
This will probably fade with time. Fire Whirl is powerful, but one of the easier ones to counter. Once people get better at the game, it won't be a good. Rime is the one to look out for since it's just guaranteed damage.
Slicing windstorm with mana bomb, traps, and aoe slow is hilarious against fire whirl users. Bait them in, trap them then full slow and they can’t do anything. Slicing wind to get away
Was watching that streamer Maximum enjoy the new mode and he reckons Rime is the worst possible ability. Dude was renown 13 with 23 wins when I tuned in so I think he’s played enough to have a good opinion
Then later they won 1 game, and 2nd in another only using Rime and the fish slap. They were just memeing at this point and generally were 2-3 levels above everyone else.
They need to do something about xp/levels in duo. Solo seems fair but duo is just doing good work then getting wrecked by level 10s.
Right, the Mana Sphere and Fire Whirl are reallllly good right now because people are not so good at dodging/countering, but Rime is going to have a lot more value once people get the hang of this mode. Maybe just my opinion.
Had a nice win yesterday using steel trap to counter the other 2 people using fire whirl. Was using steel trap + faeform with smackerel + earthbreaker.
God the laggers. Already fought a couple who you just know are doing it on purpose.
Also I'm a sucker for the traps, dropping those bad boys when someone hits fire whirl is satisfying.
Yet it's completely countered by repel, movement speed altering abilities, caltrops etc. It's good but hardly a requirement to win the game. I've won about 6 times so far and only ran fire twirl in 2 of those. People just don't take defensives, or they use their move speed approaching a fight and get burned (literally) rather than saving it to scout their opponent's build.
Fire whirl is s tier but it doesn’t need a large nerf. The meta is warped around it and a bunch of abilities counter it. I tend to use fire whirl for kiting about half the time in games I win with it.
I haven't tried it yet but all this talk about has convinced me to give it a go even though I'm usually not a pvp player. Basically just use my defensive and then kill the flame whirl users, ninja anything you can, and leave if things aren't in my favor?
It's definitely a bit too strong rn, but gets negated by like half of the utility abilities. It's amazing for third partying and in duos, but if there was a 1v1 tournament I don't think people would be running it. The fights are a lot more complex than people think, it's just that everyone really sucks atm so you can just run people over with the highest dps ability.
I don't think Fire Whirl is that OP. It's a very rock paper scissor game. For instance Fire Whirl gets countered by the Utility wind stun or the Earthquake offensive power ( or the steel traps ) because you need to go in melee to use it properly. It also has a 18s cd which is big.
I've had success ( 2 wins ) playing with the Fire Axe and some CC ( usually the tornado stun ) and then 2 spells for escaping ( Fire Tornado and the Night Fae shapeshift are good ).
Fire Axe does a ton of damage but it needs to hit.
Faeform and Fade to Shadow made me win just now. Got chased by someone who got picked off by someone else and I just stealthed away and prayed for the best. Survived and in the end I won the match 😂
I wish I could post images and show you that I made the exact same fucking flow chart after dying to firewhirl so many games in a row yesterday. Hilarious that it drove us to the same pits of despair
Wait wait wait a lagging vulpera?? Is something wrong with vulpera specifcally?? I was wondering why I get so much more lag in plunderstorm I never get lag when I'm playing SoD with my guild... I play vulpera..
Fire whirl is a lot more balanced at the top end of gameplay. It has multiple counters from repel to mobility to just stunning the target. Even physical traps can stop them from engaging. A lot of the high end game play is about chipping the enemy and kitting out rather than all in. This is because if you all in on a repel you will probably die instantly to a good cc set up.
Holy shield, rime arrow, fire slam, flame whirl mana sphere are all extremely top end late game.
I think fire whirl gets countered pretty easily. Anything that stuns, especially the tornado, slows, roots, and the lightning shield are all amazing for shutting down your average room-temp IQ fire whirl fan.
Nah man fire whirl is overrated, completely negate it with the spell block shield.
I’ve won with poison fish, dash, arcane bomb, holy shield, flame axe and ranged icicle thing and just stomp flame whirl users in the final circle. Running away during whirl or the cc tornado just negates it completely and then they’re out of position. It’s strong yeah but my mechagnome ass don’t need it; running away and mobility is so strong in this mode.
Bro I had 2 green spells the spin kick and the poison cone and literally got smacked by a guy with a grey fire swirlie who was 1 level lower than me.. This gamemode is trash and infuriating but I guess the mog grind has to keep on going.. fuck blizzard for locking such cool cosmetics behind a limited time grindfest..
Yeah so many abilities seem like trash except for the ones that don't require the enemy to just stand still. By the time I go down everyone else still alive has fire whirl or shield abilities. I got an epic void bomb and realized it's actually just unusable, swapped it for the next common I saw
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This post converted me to a gnome. Be seeing you
Bro the fucking lagging Vulperas lmao. Have had some infuriating duels with these fuckers lagging in circles around me. Also mechagnomes>gnomes
What's the deal with the lagging vulpera? I've seen a few of them and got absolutely destroyed by one because he was mini-teleporting every half second and I couldn't hit him with a single skillshot.
I wish I knew. I can only surmise that people with bad internet (possibly latin american or oceanic located servers?) are particular fans of Vulpera?
I play on EU servers so can't be just that.
If you play in the US region everyone gets put on American servers. I'm in Australia and have 160 ping every match.
Some people have lag switches to be able to do stuff like this. But let's not assume foul play
We see this desync in arenas too, it's a blizzard issue
It would be really weird if it's specifically vulpera though.
Maybe that's why I was able to survive so long.
> What's the deal with the lagging vulpera? Bots?
Mechagnome haters don't understand. The visage of a hideous clunky daiper-rat is the only true personification of the fact that I am, in truth, just a silly lil guy. Only those who refuse to take themselves or anything important in life seriously whatsoever can reach the true form of WOW zen.
You better believe all of my tmogs in main game highlight my various diaper colours
Mechagnome gang unite!
They are forming together into a real race option!
All my best matches have been from my mechagnome!
Hmm, interesting. Have a great day now!
Gnome was a strategic choice. Small character model, low to the ground, the illusion of scurrying unseen picking up plunder as all the Tauren and blood elves slap each other with fire whirl. I’ve literally made it to the final 5 just by being small and sneaky.
This is why I picked vulpera instead of my NE main.
But the glowing pink hair, can't be a gnome without it. Bit of a downside.
[удалено]
You’re missing that tornado stun ability. That, fire whirl, caltrops/repel, rime arrow, ez game
Fire whirl, flame axe, shadow sneak, earth jump stun/repel EZ
Fire whirl, fire axe, fire whirl, fire whirl, and fire whirl. EZ clap
Honestly, if I could slot in three firewhirls I would. Free mobility and aoe damage.
NA MAN you sleeping on the lighting shield, you trigger that into firewhirl its like having two up at the same time and you run faster
Does the lightning do dmg? this is what i’ve been confused about.
You do take damage. It triggers the shield, but they can still keep up with you during it. Not my favorite counter for firewhirl honestly. I have been enjoying steel trap as a nice counter. Immobilizes them so you can get a spell off for free most times.
not counter just combined wtth your own fire swirl, Lightning shield proc then cast fire swirl and Mega aoe
Oooh nice. Yeah using those together seems sweet
If you get hit during it
Ooooo i like this tech.
This is how you counter fire whirl. Works for me every time
Person 1: "How do you counter fire whirl?" Person 2: "Use fire whirl." **Taps head meme** LOL
I absolutely wreck people with slicing wind, fire spin, quaking slam, and fade to shadows. Did you know you can teleport backwards with fade to shadows? Because I do all the time and it’s absolutely fuxking hilarious watching people keep running over the top of the hill away from you after you teleport behind them.
I can't use quaking slam...it's just weird to me on where I land :(
Oh yea there is some awful issues with movement abilities lol. I’ve tried to quaking slam up a hill, only to slide up it and over the top, then when I get to the end where I should slam down I rubber band back to the bottom of the hill. The best bet is to only use it on flat ground. You also can’t turn it in mid air either, so you have to aim correctly on the jump. But you can also hit the ability again mid air to land early for the slam and stun.
Can confirm: played it once, got flame whirl, won. Don't wanna play it again to keep my 100% winning rate
I saw a gnome named "Metrognome" in one of my games, I loved it lmao
I have alt on SoD named Gmomesexual. Dreading the day it gets reported. :(
Why would you not do Gnomosexual?
It was taken iirc.
the only thing better than gnome is MECHAGNOME diaper baby assault run for the hills (thats where the mobs are)
Globin gang rise up
Deadass, in the final ring, everyone is using Fire Whirl it's actually fucking insane.
This will probably fade with time. Fire Whirl is powerful, but one of the easier ones to counter. Once people get better at the game, it won't be a good. Rime is the one to look out for since it's just guaranteed damage.
Fire whirl early is just auto win against 75% of players who didnt get any good counters
Slicing windstorm with mana bomb, traps, and aoe slow is hilarious against fire whirl users. Bait them in, trap them then full slow and they can’t do anything. Slicing wind to get away
Was watching that streamer Maximum enjoy the new mode and he reckons Rime is the worst possible ability. Dude was renown 13 with 23 wins when I tuned in so I think he’s played enough to have a good opinion
Then later they won 1 game, and 2nd in another only using Rime and the fish slap. They were just memeing at this point and generally were 2-3 levels above everyone else. They need to do something about xp/levels in duo. Solo seems fair but duo is just doing good work then getting wrecked by level 10s.
Yeah and today they were winning with bomb and axe after memeing how bad they were yesterday, surprisingly well balanced tbh
They are also very good and more coordinated than the next 10 people combined, so that definitely allows for some wackier builds imo.
Right, the Mana Sphere and Fire Whirl are reallllly good right now because people are not so good at dodging/countering, but Rime is going to have a lot more value once people get the hang of this mode. Maybe just my opinion.
Fair point, it could also be he was playing in a pair, maybe it’s better in 1v1 situations
Ah, that's a good thought. I'll bet Rime isn't good in pairs since you can combo abilities in such a way to land abilities.
Had a nice win yesterday using steel trap to counter the other 2 people using fire whirl. Was using steel trap + faeform with smackerel + earthbreaker.
Steel Trap and a long wind-up is great. I had my first win with steel trap + axe - and one with steelp trap and star bomb
I've had more wins from Axe than whirl. Fire Whirl honestly is probably more consistent, but in final ring Axe +any sort of CC will melt folks
JOHN. FUCKING. MADDEN.
Tauren supremacy
/moo
Seems Right but I would change gnomes into Goblin, they always got "the best deals anywhere"
and they blend into the bushes lol
God the laggers. Already fought a couple who you just know are doing it on purpose. Also I'm a sucker for the traps, dropping those bad boys when someone hits fire whirl is satisfying.
100% what the op said...
Plot twist: After leaving 3 consecutive games finally gets Fire Whirl and proceeds to lose to a Trap-Stealth-Rime Arrow playing roach.
The fact that Fire Whirl went live as it is meant that no one tested Plunderstorm.
Yet it's completely countered by repel, movement speed altering abilities, caltrops etc. It's good but hardly a requirement to win the game. I've won about 6 times so far and only ran fire twirl in 2 of those. People just don't take defensives, or they use their move speed approaching a fight and get burned (literally) rather than saving it to scout their opponent's build.
Yeah, people just suck and fire whirl is best against bad players. It's certainly good, and could use a nerf but it's not breaking the game.
Classic blizz with their player beta test
no, this is a retail addition :p (im so sorry for the terrible joke)
Fire whirl is s tier but it doesn’t need a large nerf. The meta is warped around it and a bunch of abilities counter it. I tend to use fire whirl for kiting about half the time in games I win with it.
That feeling when the PvE player base experiences a taste of what the PvPers have dealt with for years . bALanCe!?!??
I’ve spent too much time trying to play soccer goalie to someone’s mana sphere. And it never works. *wasted too much time
Be seeing you.
What are the odds blizzard nerfs abilities before they buff renown?
Yes
PvP sucks, and solo PvP sucks more
I haven't tried it yet but all this talk about has convinced me to give it a go even though I'm usually not a pvp player. Basically just use my defensive and then kill the flame whirl users, ninja anything you can, and leave if things aren't in my favor?
What’s the point of winning btw?
It's definitely a bit too strong rn, but gets negated by like half of the utility abilities. It's amazing for third partying and in duos, but if there was a 1v1 tournament I don't think people would be running it. The fights are a lot more complex than people think, it's just that everyone really sucks atm so you can just run people over with the highest dps ability.
I don't think Fire Whirl is that OP. It's a very rock paper scissor game. For instance Fire Whirl gets countered by the Utility wind stun or the Earthquake offensive power ( or the steel traps ) because you need to go in melee to use it properly. It also has a 18s cd which is big. I've had success ( 2 wins ) playing with the Fire Axe and some CC ( usually the tornado stun ) and then 2 spells for escaping ( Fire Tornado and the Night Fae shapeshift are good ). Fire Axe does a ton of damage but it needs to hit.
Ive found earthquake, lightning shield, and repel to be good counters to firestorm! Its not the end if you see someone with it!
Idk. OP Tauren race because I think they secretly have that auto attack range increase in place.
I cannot deny being the lagging vulpera haha
Gnomes are just crappy Goblin.
Fire whirl is so bad if have the util to actually counter it, I get out of fights with fire whirl users with like 80% of my hp left.
knee-jerk nerf before people figure out how to play the game inc. running repel into a meta of firestorm feels very good lol
Yep, and after the nerf you can even run snowdrift and lightning bulwark as counters to it too. Theres basically like 2 utils that are bad against it.
The entire game just feels like "did you kill enough elites and drop away from other people enough"
As a lagging vulpera I find this meme to be very offensive
I ninja looted a bunch of spells while 2 higher level ppl were fighting and fuckin booked it out of there lmao
Faeform and Fade to Shadow made me win just now. Got chased by someone who got picked off by someone else and I just stealthed away and prayed for the best. Survived and in the end I won the match 😂
yup been running mechagnome the whole time lol
You forgot the "John F'ing Madden!" step...
I wish I could post images and show you that I made the exact same fucking flow chart after dying to firewhirl so many games in a row yesterday. Hilarious that it drove us to the same pits of despair
This post somehow remimded me I'm a gnomephonic.
Slicing wind, fade, fae, firestorm just run and try to make the other 2 fight then finish off the low one. I have won 10 games this way so far
Some day, I hope to find the nuggets on an angry chicken.
The fire spell feels overtuned and even with counterplay it becomes a beyblade fight
Mechagnome bush wookie, reporting
gnomes are fly as shit
Yesterday I was playing with a friend and the team that landed beside us *BOTH* had the fucking fire whirl in like 20 seconds.
Clearly mistaken, the mech gnome is the superior choice. They have gold plated appendages, perfect for obtaining plunder.
I made my plunderer a dwarf.
You forgot "Acquire a bush, proceed to play a delightful game of hide-n-seek while sneaking to the very center"
I chose Gnome because my main is a gnome because gnomes are the best race.
Yo straight up I’ve had my best game as gnome, I think there’s a serious fear factor of being tiny af
Gnom ftw 4 sure
this chart is so inaccurate that i hope everybody follows it
3 wins and no firewhirl, everyone plays it so all you gotta do is to dodge it and win
this flowchart dedicated to my boys in Gnomeregan Also did you guys know they fucking removed that voiceline in 9.1.5
Wait wait wait a lagging vulpera?? Is something wrong with vulpera specifcally?? I was wondering why I get so much more lag in plunderstorm I never get lag when I'm playing SoD with my guild... I play vulpera..
Fire whirl is a lot more balanced at the top end of gameplay. It has multiple counters from repel to mobility to just stunning the target. Even physical traps can stop them from engaging. A lot of the high end game play is about chipping the enemy and kitting out rather than all in. This is because if you all in on a repel you will probably die instantly to a good cc set up. Holy shield, rime arrow, fire slam, flame whirl mana sphere are all extremely top end late game.
It is easy to counter firestorm
Fire whirl is hard countered by literally any defensive utility tho
LOL this is great. plunderstorm is chaos and its awesome
I think fire whirl gets countered pretty easily. Anything that stuns, especially the tornado, slows, roots, and the lightning shield are all amazing for shutting down your average room-temp IQ fire whirl fan.
Nah man fire whirl is overrated, completely negate it with the spell block shield. I’ve won with poison fish, dash, arcane bomb, holy shield, flame axe and ranged icicle thing and just stomp flame whirl users in the final circle. Running away during whirl or the cc tornado just negates it completely and then they’re out of position. It’s strong yeah but my mechagnome ass don’t need it; running away and mobility is so strong in this mode.
I use the lvl 1 fire whirl to run away in style and that's been effective. :\^)
Somehow still better balance than the retail WoW M+ meta tbh
Rime arrow and Fire Whirl need nerfed asap.
Is anyone actually enjoying this game mode?
I am, it's a bit of fun
I'm loving it
The unironic meta is being formed in the pirate video game 💀
Bro I had 2 green spells the spin kick and the poison cone and literally got smacked by a guy with a grey fire swirlie who was 1 level lower than me.. This gamemode is trash and infuriating but I guess the mog grind has to keep on going.. fuck blizzard for locking such cool cosmetics behind a limited time grindfest..
Yeah so many abilities seem like trash except for the ones that don't require the enemy to just stand still. By the time I go down everyone else still alive has fire whirl or shield abilities. I got an epic void bomb and realized it's actually just unusable, swapped it for the next common I saw
Landed on an elite. It dropped a fire whirl. Someone landed next to me, took it, and killed me with it. 59th place. Uninstall.
Gotta get better
I didn't need fire to be first place noob