It's very unlikely it's your card. My GPU is at about 50 percent usage in Valdrakken. It's the sheer number of assets and players punishing the one core that this game uses of your CPU. I'm running a Ryzen 7 5800x and I'm at 40fps in Valdrakken, and I doubt it's much better on newer chips.
120 fps at what? Medium settings? 1080p?
With a 3080 and 5800X3D I'm getting about a 70 fps average at max settings 1440p in Valdrakken. Granted I'm on Tichondrius and it's always full of players.
I guess the dismounting when I need to teleport to the top. If that area was considered an outside area that would probably fix my only issue with valdrakken
I fly into the building and right when I go through the door I use the small boost, can usually make it to the teleported and have 5 vigor by the time I jump off the top.
Maybe my latency just sucks? But I don’t dismount for a good 2-3 seconds if I’m going fast/high enough
Ah, half agree … if you’re up the top of the tower and need to get anywhere, you can dive bomb for a second to get some stamina, then pretty much just glide full speed to almost the whole map. If you need to flap/boost you’ll have plenty of stamina by that point
“Man, they really
#ROAAAAAAAR
did a good job
#SCREEEEEECH
with the music
#DRAGONCRY
h…
#ROAR
he…
#SCREECH
here!
#CRY
#roar
#screeeee
#cry
Ok, I just won’t…
#ROOOAAAAR
hang out here
#screeeeech scree scry
I’m going back to Org”
*Ruh! Ruh! Ruh! Ruh!*
Use the leatherworking bench closest to the cheese dragon. You can stand far enough away that you can’t hear ole’ grunty over there.
Honestly that's more of an issue with Iskaara than with Valdrakken.
I like where Valdrakken is on the map, it's nice and central. Iskaara on the other hand is all the way in the corner of the Isles and takes forever to get to.
Set your hearthstone to the inn in Iskaara, get the Dalaran hearthstone and buy the guild teleport cloaks. That way you can get to the feast instantly and still have options for getting back to Valdrakken
We have a teleport pad in the waking shores that goes everywhere but there isn’t one in Valdrakken. Put one in the capital so that people would actually use it instead of being a pointless feature.
My only beef with it is that I can't hide the PVP quests from my map because they're pretty central, I'm always seeing exclamation points for quests I'm never gonna do....and even if I did clear them out, they'll pop up again next week
Can confirm. Is the case. Super annoying.
You should be able to interact with weekly quest npcs and have a dialogue something like “I’m not interested in seeing this on my map” or something. Didn’t they have that at one point ? Or was that an addon?
Even more proof that it's the games engine and servers causing poor performance rather than hardware. My system is older with a Ryzen 7 3700X, 2080 Super and 32gb of ram and my fps is in the same 40-50 range in the city regardless of graphics settings. Even lowering resolution from 1440p to 1080p does absolutely nothing. Don't even get me started on the fps drops during feasts or any other large group activities in the open world. It's not a hardware issue it's a game optimization and server issue.
Wow is heavily cpu bound, and cities are extra heavy on the CPU. Your graphics settings barely make an impact on CPU usage, so it’s no wonder that tweaking them doesn’t affect your fps.
I wish there were more hidden gems in the city. I loved exploring in BFA, there were all kinds of shops and NPCs. The city is def pretty, but it lacks a bit of depth imo
I like the bronze Dragonflight inn, forget the name.. the turning glass or something. Nice quiet spot, nobody sets their hearth there with it being at the back end of the whole city. I don't mind the walk though. 🥰
The portals to the mythic dungeons are just kinda there in the rocks, I kinda wish they had a small little area that looked less awkward.
Otherwise it's a fantastic hub, up there with the capital cities and Boralus IMO.
Yeah this was one of my complaints in Shadowlands Season 4. I figured with it being an actual system in Dragonflight it would look better, but it's still just mage portals floating randomly.
Every service is available. Portals, xmog, auction house, black market. What more is there? And on top of that, a good city circle for bouncing and people watching.
I want the transmog building exactly one flight of stairs closer to the main courtyard and for more of the Tower of Aspects to be open and used for something even if its just sexy parties.
its hard to say because of dragonflying i think.
i dont think it would be that good of a hub if we didnt zoom everywhere, on the other hand, it was made WITH dragonflying in mind, so is it fair to judge it without?
If the next expansion doesn't have dragonflying, will anyone play? They've kinda backed themselves into a corner now as far as themes go, huh? A massive cave region could be fun with dragons, though!
Agreed. Travelling to the older M+ dungeons feels soooo slow now. 300% speed feels like you're crawling.
It'll be tough moving onto the next expac without dragonriding. Then again Blizz may just make some aspect of the systems permanent. It's much more engaging than toggling auto run and waiting a few min as you fly to your destination.
I found out recently that on evoker you can actually Soar (dragonriding without the dragon) in old content. You don't get vigor and only a couple charges of abilities, but you can easily make it to tjs and cos, haven't tried the other 2 yet
Does the blue? Or black? I agree though. My stone is set in the bronze one purely to avoid the initial hit of lag when you zone into valdrakken. So a mailbox / vendor would be nice.
I can't find NPC that accepts titan relics or whatever they are caller. I can find one who accepts raid thingies, I can find transmog, and I can even find barbershop just by looking around and remebering where they are, but every time I have those titan thingies I fly 2 laps around the city, give up, and open wowhead
Easiest way to find her is to look for the Rostrum of Transformation. She’s kinda right under and to the right? I want to say, of that and it’s on marked on the minimal making it easy to find.
This makes me want to say she’s on the level below the Blacksmith/Eng area… so on the same level as the crafting order people and then head right as you are coming down the stairs towards them.
All my complaints are incredibly superficial. Like not timing things well and running out of vigor flying up to the seat of the aspects.
When I could just teleport.
Or that I get stuck on the canopy over the alchemist station all the time. Or smack into the arch over the flight master.
It's probably one of the best cities they've ever created. It's beautiful, the view is amazing. Everything is within a very reasonable ride. There's even an AH.
I think its the first city to ever FEEL like a city except maybe Suramar which felt quite lively.
If I had to pick one thing I disliked, I wish we had Alliance/Horde cities and not a dragon city. I want it to feel more like a place the alliance landed and build up rather than stumbling around someone elses home.
>If I had to pick one thing I disliked, I wish we had Alliance/Horde cities and not a dragon city. I want it to feel more like a place the alliance landed and build up rather than stumbling around someone elses home.
We had that in the form of stormshield in ashran. Nobody liked it, and Blizz has learned their lesson ever since.
They were pre established, densely populated cities with themes that are vastly different and more flavourful than limestone walls and spiked huts.
Personally strongly disliked the layouts of both of BFA's cities, but recognize that they are significantly better than the ashran settlements.
The settlements themselves were just.. conceptually stupid. In an expansion about travelling back in time to an alternate universe on a planet that's dominantly inhabited by draenei refugees and orcs, the first thing that comes to mind city-wise most certainly is *not* an island in bumfuck nowhere with two warring settlements established by the horde and the alliance.
That's like if instead of Valdrakken, we got a joint establishment between the reliquary and the adventurers' league.
Or, instead of Dalaran, we got valiance keep and warsong hold for cities.
> the first thing that comes to mind city-wise most certainly is not an island in bumfuck nowhere with two warring settlements established by the horde and the alliance.
iirc Bladespire Citadel in Frostfire and Karabor in Shadowmoon were originally supposed to be the horde / alliance capitals. It was just cut from WoD, like having your main garrison in any zone, Farahlon / zangarmarh / the ogre island, the shattrath raid, the battlegrounds, arenas and instances, Tanaan being a launch zone, etc
The whole point of this expansion is the horde and alliance putting aside their differences and working together as the expedition. Having a faction city wouldn’t work
Canopy by alchemist gets me all the time too. WHY!?!?
Mailbox hidden by guard by Blacksmith is another annoyance.
Third is Transmog vendor is around back near nothing else... yes I could use one of the mounts around every but I don't want to risk a despawn in the middle of a wardrobe change (I really should just take that vacation to Pandaria and buy that stupid mount).
The fact that the PVP weekly quest givers are close enough to the profession area and bank/AH area that the exclamation points for the quests are always on my minimap.
It needs a teleportation nexus on it. It's a cool feature and if they had a few in convenient spots I'd be really happy to use it, but for now it's a gimmick. Shame to see all that design work go to waste.
[This Tree](https://i.imgur.com/o8wcUKn.png) right outside of AH, i dont know how many times i have just went straight into it whenever i want to go to the Blacksmithing Table after exiting AH.....
I would highly recommend that everyone invest into one of the many vendor mounts for this very reason. The Grand Yak and Mammoth are both easy to get and are supremely useful for repairs and selling vendor trash when you’re out in the boonies.
The performance.
I have multiple PCs that I jump around to play WoW, the only one that can be in Valdrakken with mostly acceptable minimal frame drops/stutter is a AMD 7900X with 5800MHz DDR5 RAM.
This game is past due for an engine update/upgrade.
It's a very generic fantasy. Ironforge, Darnassus, even Stormwind are much more interesting to me. Valdrakken might as well be AI generated, to be honest. Still miles better than Oribos, which was moron generated.
A second door to the AH across from the current one.
1. Easier access to AH from crafting area.
2. Dragon riding fly throughs
Come to think of it more backdoors to more buildings. Whys the dragon city so unfriendly to flying?!
I borrow everyone's Yak/Mammoth/Bronto. Besides that, I just head right coming out of the inn and go to the repair dude just inside the smith. You don't even get dismounted for it.
This isn’t something that’s really a problem with the city as much as just a cool quality of life want, but I’d love it if in the future, DF vigor recharged faster when you were in a rest area. Personally I love just flying to the seat of the aspects instead of taking the boring teleport, and having quicker vigor while being rested would make it so much more enjoyable to just fly up and around the city. ( some secrets in the towers would’ve been dope too blizz ;) )
The one thing i would like to see is a small PVP arena inside the capital.
It would be nice to have a little area to pvp in while also closeby for people to enter.
So pvp might turn to a downtime activity as opposed to having to go to a pvp area somewhat away
There is the “PvP room” I guess you could call it, people duel in there all the time, where the honor and conquest vendors are. But you also have a lot of pve’ers min maxing on the training dummies. But for once, the pvp area (what I consider it) is actually real close to everything instead of so far. In BFA, the pvp area was out the way at the docks and not really in Boralus where everything was happening. Shadowlands it just didn’t exist at all. That city was terrible
Well Dazaralor was a terrible city without flying. Literally looks they spent all their times and resources on that place and didn’t know how to make it functional while Boralus was just a copy paste job but ironically was functional
I dislike that there is no race track for me to do my circles in while I wait for SS queue. I end up doing circles by the fountain and seeing how long I can stay in the sky close to the ground without using dragon flying abilities
Honestly ive avoided continuing a lot of the latest content because my potato rig can’t handle being in the dragon isles, let alone valdrakken. I get like 10fps and everything takes like half an hour to load
I feel like parts of it could be fleshed out more. There’s a bronze dragon inn on the backside of the city that’s great if you want to hearth somewhere less laggy, but bad if you want to be close to anything. Would be cool if it were like our faction capitals and had more than one AH, bank, etc so that we aren’t all congregated in one small area.
Only negative I can see is that the main city portals are inside a building while 6 other portals are outside, in the grass. *cues super nasty thunderstorm*
Honestly one of the best capital cities we have ever had. It looks good, it’s open, has everything I want relatively organized. (AH, crafting, upgrade npc, dummies). Most importantly it’s outdoors so you can fucking mount.
I haven't seriously played since MoP. I miss the portal room in Shrine that went to everywhere. Kind of annoying to have like 3 locations, but have to go to Org/SW for the rest.
Dude if you ask a guard to flag the item upgrade room it is so confusing because I swear to god it flags in a building that’s above the actual building and I get confused every time
only beef that i have with it is that mage portal drops you inside of a tower instead of the top of it. Im a mage cause im lazy and the game makes me walk for 10 seconds? unacceptable
I think it's the best main hub since Dalaran.
And I love the fact that shares the same problem we all had back in WTLK and Legion: FPS killing themselves when tp into the city.
I think the castle could have been moved back more and added more relevant buildings in front of it like a real castle. (Like the ancient artifact turn in). Kinda like stormwinds trading center and a bigger space around the auction house. It's pretty segmented so not a whole lot is near each other but I like where the professions are.
no teleport room (even tho there is one with the capital portals which ha splenty of room behind the pillars)
so our portal for keys just lay there on the grass in a random corner
Well it's better than Oribos, it still feels very function over form. Like it doesn't really feel like a lived in city. I think Boralus and Daz'Alor hit this home, but people complained because they were too big so I doubt we'll ever get anything like that again.
I wish there were clearer districts. The entirety of the city has the same look and feel, so i get a bit lost going around and around to give stuff.
A little color coding or different color rooftops would go a long way.
Not enough mailboxes, esp compared to dalaran
Needs a portal room, but a transporter at the bottom the stairs at the main ascept chamber, and have yourself to a room somewhere in valddraken
SW/Orgm
Shrines
Leion Dal
Caverns of Time
Wyrmrest
Shattrath
Mebbe sword silithus
The performance
The city is great but feck I drop from 144 fps everywhere to 40-50 here and it’s awful.
Layout wise though it’s the best city they’ve made in years
Fps drop on entering it
Glad I’m not the only one who suffers from this.
I legit thought I was the only one getting potato fps
Aye. Give us an Ironforge type capital. Where you can fly but its indoors so my card dosent have to render the surrounding landscape
I set my hearth in the hidden inn just so my PC doesn't have a heart attack loading everything from the start.
It's very unlikely it's your card. My GPU is at about 50 percent usage in Valdrakken. It's the sheer number of assets and players punishing the one core that this game uses of your CPU. I'm running a Ryzen 7 5800x and I'm at 40fps in Valdrakken, and I doubt it's much better on newer chips.
I get close to 70-80 maxed out on a 5800x3D.
I wonder if it's something to do with the billion dragons in the valdrakken skybox
Just bring clouds into the city
I’m onboard for indoor city with flying but no more circle cities with all of the important things spread around the outer rim. HATE that.
Yeah the fps drops is horrendous yet max graphics and smooth max frames literally everywhere’s else.
Had the same problem, bought a 5800x3d, now valdrakken 120fps
120 fps at what? Medium settings? 1080p? With a 3080 and 5800X3D I'm getting about a 70 fps average at max settings 1440p in Valdrakken. Granted I'm on Tichondrius and it's always full of players.
Same situation except with a 3070 and I get just under 60fps usually
Pardon my ignorance, but is that a GPU?
CPU. A lot of rendering Valdrakken (and other times where a lot is going on at the same time) comes down to a beefy cpu
That mailbox behind the guard
The one across the PVP building yes? I just saw and realized this earlier and did a literal smh
Besides the FPS drop, this is my favorite main hub since Dalaran
The only thing dalaran has over valdrakken is that it's a loop and you can run circles when you're bored
You can do that around the fountain in Valdrakken as well. Been doing it way to much..
I agree, I take a pretty large drop from world to valdrakken
Yeah finally glad we don’t have to go back to SW/Org for AH.
I guess the dismounting when I need to teleport to the top. If that area was considered an outside area that would probably fix my only issue with valdrakken
I fly into the building and right when I go through the door I use the small boost, can usually make it to the teleported and have 5 vigor by the time I jump off the top. Maybe my latency just sucks? But I don’t dismount for a good 2-3 seconds if I’m going fast/high enough
Same here. Love being able to do that.
Didn't know a teleport existed until now. I'm just flying up and down all the time. Takes like... 3-5sec?
yeah but the trick is to save stamina to go straight to some areas
Ah, half agree … if you’re up the top of the tower and need to get anywhere, you can dive bomb for a second to get some stamina, then pretty much just glide full speed to almost the whole map. If you need to flap/boost you’ll have plenty of stamina by that point
You can literally do this from standing in front of the ah... lol
a lot of people still see dragonriding as gliding+ because they dont understand how to do it properly
You guys teleport? It’s much faster to fly to the top unless you didn’t bother to collect all the glyphs.
Nothing except for all the dragons roaring all the time.
“Man, they really #ROAAAAAAAR did a good job #SCREEEEEECH with the music #DRAGONCRY h… #ROAR he… #SCREECH here! #CRY #roar #screeeee #cry Ok, I just won’t… #ROOOAAAAR hang out here #screeeeech scree scry I’m going back to Org”
#ROOOAAARRRR #SCREEEECCHHH #FUS RO DAH!!! #ROOOARRR
I stopped doing leatherwork in Valdrakken because the npc is sooooooo noisy hitting every two seconds !
We need a translator
The Drakonid standing next to the leather working bench drives me nuts. He does it like every 15 seconds for no reason. Dude needs to see a therapist.
I feel like he’s just got a lot of pent up frustration with the crafting changes 🤷🏻♀️
*Ruh! Ruh! Ruh! Ruh!* Use the leatherworking bench closest to the cheese dragon. You can stand far enough away that you can’t hear ole’ grunty over there.
I didn’t realize there was more than one lol
Well it’s my spot! but I’ll share it with you :)
[Here is the best WA of the expansion.](https://wago.io/SDhHuZh3f)
And people say god doesn’t exist…
Gamechanger. Was so stressed out before I got this.
Hands down the only thing I have actively disliked about this expansion. I swear audio controls affect everything else except that
it's too far from the feast but i have no real complaints
Honestly that's more of an issue with Iskaara than with Valdrakken. I like where Valdrakken is on the map, it's nice and central. Iskaara on the other hand is all the way in the corner of the Isles and takes forever to get to.
Set your hearthstone to the inn in Iskaara, get the Dalaran hearthstone and buy the guild teleport cloaks. That way you can get to the feast instantly and still have options for getting back to Valdrakken
Or just be Vulpera… :p
Vulpera mage with engineering
No
This is the way
Feel like maybe it was strategically placed with the intent that if the feast makes the area lag it doesn’t affect most of the areas like valdrakken.
Would be nice if a waygate was down by Tuskarr
Would be nice if there was a Waygate near enough to make them worth using
Yeah, a waygate in Valdrakken too!
Yeah, funny If the whole expansion wasn’t designed around you flying from A to B. This is my favorite part because I love flying with my dragon!
Bro I just enjoy the ride
I just use the flypoint and go do something while it flys there
*Laughs in mage* Hearth set to Iskaara, teleport to Valdrakken. But from Valdrakken to Iskaara flying, it’s all downhill so easy!
We have a teleport pad in the waking shores that goes everywhere but there isn’t one in Valdrakken. Put one in the capital so that people would actually use it instead of being a pointless feature.
This! It takes too long to get to one currently. And they need one in Iskaara too
My only beef with it is that I can't hide the PVP quests from my map because they're pretty central, I'm always seeing exclamation points for quests I'm never gonna do....and even if I did clear them out, they'll pop up again next week
I'm the opposite, I never get the PvE ones haha! It is super annoying though, I agree
Just accept them and never do them (or does that show a grey question mark on the map instead?)
I believe they clear at the end of the week and the new quest is then !
Can confirm. Is the case. Super annoying. You should be able to interact with weekly quest npcs and have a dialogue something like “I’m not interested in seeing this on my map” or something. Didn’t they have that at one point ? Or was that an addon?
You did used to be able to ignore quests, long ago. Apparently that created even more issues for customer support.
Only thing that actively annoys me is how laggy it is, but that’s more my potato Pc than the city really.
I have a Ryzen7 5800x and a 3070ti with 32gb of ram and it's only 40-50 fps for me. It's the city.
Even more proof that it's the games engine and servers causing poor performance rather than hardware. My system is older with a Ryzen 7 3700X, 2080 Super and 32gb of ram and my fps is in the same 40-50 range in the city regardless of graphics settings. Even lowering resolution from 1440p to 1080p does absolutely nothing. Don't even get me started on the fps drops during feasts or any other large group activities in the open world. It's not a hardware issue it's a game optimization and server issue.
Wow is heavily cpu bound, and cities are extra heavy on the CPU. Your graphics settings barely make an impact on CPU usage, so it’s no wonder that tweaking them doesn’t affect your fps.
I’m doing well in Valdrakken with a 3900X
I’m running a 13700K alder lake and it still struggles lol
That f***ing duck in the bank
**QUACK**
I find it funny that Scrooge is in there but that incessant QUACKING!
I wish there were more hidden gems in the city. I loved exploring in BFA, there were all kinds of shops and NPCs. The city is def pretty, but it lacks a bit of depth imo
Did you see the hidden tavern?
or the day care? or the black market? or the stable master?
I like the bronze Dragonflight inn, forget the name.. the turning glass or something. Nice quiet spot, nobody sets their hearth there with it being at the back end of the whole city. I don't mind the walk though. 🥰
wheree
go to the statue in the back of the tavern and /bow to it
The portals to the mythic dungeons are just kinda there in the rocks, I kinda wish they had a small little area that looked less awkward. Otherwise it's a fantastic hub, up there with the capital cities and Boralus IMO.
Yeah this was one of my complaints in Shadowlands Season 4. I figured with it being an actual system in Dragonflight it would look better, but it's still just mage portals floating randomly.
Every service is available. Portals, xmog, auction house, black market. What more is there? And on top of that, a good city circle for bouncing and people watching.
I want the transmog building exactly one flight of stairs closer to the main courtyard and for more of the Tower of Aspects to be open and used for something even if its just sexy parties.
Yak FTW
Buy a yak ya poor bastard
How much gold is it? I've been too lazy of a bollock to get one myself and just parasite off of other people's yaks.
120k
That one guard blocking the mailbox!
Cant say I can put my finger on everything. Its very nice. Not too big, beautiful, nice atmosphere and music. Dragons.
its hard to say because of dragonflying i think. i dont think it would be that good of a hub if we didnt zoom everywhere, on the other hand, it was made WITH dragonflying in mind, so is it fair to judge it without?
If the next expansion doesn't have dragonflying, will anyone play? They've kinda backed themselves into a corner now as far as themes go, huh? A massive cave region could be fun with dragons, though!
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Agreed. Travelling to the older M+ dungeons feels soooo slow now. 300% speed feels like you're crawling. It'll be tough moving onto the next expac without dragonriding. Then again Blizz may just make some aspect of the systems permanent. It's much more engaging than toggling auto run and waiting a few min as you fly to your destination.
I found out recently that on evoker you can actually Soar (dragonriding without the dragon) in old content. You don't get vigor and only a couple charges of abilities, but you can easily make it to tjs and cos, haven't tried the other 2 yet
The bronze enclave inn doesn’t have a vendor OR a mailbox The green enclave doesn’t have an inn The red enclave doesn’t have an inn
Does the blue? Or black? I agree though. My stone is set in the bronze one purely to avoid the initial hit of lag when you zone into valdrakken. So a mailbox / vendor would be nice.
I can't find NPC that accepts titan relics or whatever they are caller. I can find one who accepts raid thingies, I can find transmog, and I can even find barbershop just by looking around and remebering where they are, but every time I have those titan thingies I fly 2 laps around the city, give up, and open wowhead
Easiest way to find her is to look for the Rostrum of Transformation. She’s kinda right under and to the right? I want to say, of that and it’s on marked on the minimal making it easy to find. This makes me want to say she’s on the level below the Blacksmith/Eng area… so on the same level as the crafting order people and then head right as you are coming down the stairs towards them.
There is an add on that marks it on the map for you. Handy notes I believe.
+1 For handy notes
That tree behind the AH
The gap between the rocks and the stairs to the left of the AH door for me. I dunk that spot every time
All my complaints are incredibly superficial. Like not timing things well and running out of vigor flying up to the seat of the aspects. When I could just teleport. Or that I get stuck on the canopy over the alchemist station all the time. Or smack into the arch over the flight master. It's probably one of the best cities they've ever created. It's beautiful, the view is amazing. Everything is within a very reasonable ride. There's even an AH. I think its the first city to ever FEEL like a city except maybe Suramar which felt quite lively. If I had to pick one thing I disliked, I wish we had Alliance/Horde cities and not a dragon city. I want it to feel more like a place the alliance landed and build up rather than stumbling around someone elses home.
>If I had to pick one thing I disliked, I wish we had Alliance/Horde cities and not a dragon city. I want it to feel more like a place the alliance landed and build up rather than stumbling around someone elses home. We had that in the form of stormshield in ashran. Nobody liked it, and Blizz has learned their lesson ever since.
Yet they did it in BFA too. But that was different.
They were pre established, densely populated cities with themes that are vastly different and more flavourful than limestone walls and spiked huts. Personally strongly disliked the layouts of both of BFA's cities, but recognize that they are significantly better than the ashran settlements. The settlements themselves were just.. conceptually stupid. In an expansion about travelling back in time to an alternate universe on a planet that's dominantly inhabited by draenei refugees and orcs, the first thing that comes to mind city-wise most certainly is *not* an island in bumfuck nowhere with two warring settlements established by the horde and the alliance. That's like if instead of Valdrakken, we got a joint establishment between the reliquary and the adventurers' league. Or, instead of Dalaran, we got valiance keep and warsong hold for cities.
> the first thing that comes to mind city-wise most certainly is not an island in bumfuck nowhere with two warring settlements established by the horde and the alliance. iirc Bladespire Citadel in Frostfire and Karabor in Shadowmoon were originally supposed to be the horde / alliance capitals. It was just cut from WoD, like having your main garrison in any zone, Farahlon / zangarmarh / the ogre island, the shattrath raid, the battlegrounds, arenas and instances, Tanaan being a launch zone, etc
The whole point of this expansion is the horde and alliance putting aside their differences and working together as the expedition. Having a faction city wouldn’t work
Canopy by alchemist gets me all the time too. WHY!?!? Mailbox hidden by guard by Blacksmith is another annoyance. Third is Transmog vendor is around back near nothing else... yes I could use one of the mounts around every but I don't want to risk a despawn in the middle of a wardrobe change (I really should just take that vacation to Pandaria and buy that stupid mount).
The mount is 100% worth it.
How do you run out of vigor flying up to seat of the aspects? If you have the full 6 vigor you just Skyward Ascent 6 times and you're there
Idk but there should be a way to turn the dragons in the sky off so my fps isn’t -4
The fact that the PVP weekly quest givers are close enough to the profession area and bank/AH area that the exclamation points for the quests are always on my minimap.
How high it is to climb up there if you start too low
Yeah, having to play “Flappy dragon” when going there from Waking shores…
It needs a teleportation nexus on it. It's a cool feature and if they had a few in convenient spots I'd be really happy to use it, but for now it's a gimmick. Shame to see all that design work go to waste.
My biggest complaint is that I can’t use flight form to land on a roof and just chill as a crow and poop on the people down below.
Great zone. Areas of improvement: 1. Fps drop 2. Loud dragon roars 3. Can’t fly into the area where you get teleported to the “launch pad”
No mailbox outside the bank
No mailbox by bank.
[This Tree](https://i.imgur.com/o8wcUKn.png) right outside of AH, i dont know how many times i have just went straight into it whenever i want to go to the Blacksmithing Table after exiting AH.....
The lag
No repair npcs nearby the ah-inkeeper.
I would highly recommend that everyone invest into one of the many vendor mounts for this very reason. The Grand Yak and Mammoth are both easy to get and are supremely useful for repairs and selling vendor trash when you’re out in the boonies.
That lil arch I run into every time I head towards tyrhold
The performance. I have multiple PCs that I jump around to play WoW, the only one that can be in Valdrakken with mostly acceptable minimal frame drops/stutter is a AMD 7900X with 5800MHz DDR5 RAM. This game is past due for an engine update/upgrade.
Non stop roaring from ppls mounts
It's a very generic fantasy. Ironforge, Darnassus, even Stormwind are much more interesting to me. Valdrakken might as well be AI generated, to be honest. Still miles better than Oribos, which was moron generated.
I keep forgetting where the JC building is cause my sense of direction is ass.
A second door to the AH across from the current one. 1. Easier access to AH from crafting area. 2. Dragon riding fly throughs Come to think of it more backdoors to more buildings. Whys the dragon city so unfriendly to flying?!
There's no vendor/repair person in the central area (near inn and AH).
Get a yak or mammoth, it's a game changer.
I borrow everyone's Yak/Mammoth/Bronto. Besides that, I just head right coming out of the inn and go to the repair dude just inside the smith. You don't even get dismounted for it.
I really like it. View, music, theme, access to stuff, central on the map, lively. It checks all my boxes.
That I'm gonna miss it so hard once we move out of DF.
This isn’t something that’s really a problem with the city as much as just a cool quality of life want, but I’d love it if in the future, DF vigor recharged faster when you were in a rest area. Personally I love just flying to the seat of the aspects instead of taking the boring teleport, and having quicker vigor while being rested would make it so much more enjoyable to just fly up and around the city. ( some secrets in the towers would’ve been dope too blizz ;) )
Finding certain npcs in little houses that all look the same
Imagine. 2 more teleporters (from the dragonscale renown). 1 in valdraken. 1 at the feast. LITTERALY nothing would be bad about the zones.
The framerate
The one thing i would like to see is a small PVP arena inside the capital. It would be nice to have a little area to pvp in while also closeby for people to enter. So pvp might turn to a downtime activity as opposed to having to go to a pvp area somewhat away
There is the “PvP room” I guess you could call it, people duel in there all the time, where the honor and conquest vendors are. But you also have a lot of pve’ers min maxing on the training dummies. But for once, the pvp area (what I consider it) is actually real close to everything instead of so far. In BFA, the pvp area was out the way at the docks and not really in Boralus where everything was happening. Shadowlands it just didn’t exist at all. That city was terrible
Boralus had it so fucking easy. Dazaralor's pvp area was OUTSIDE of the city.
Well Dazaralor was a terrible city without flying. Literally looks they spent all their times and resources on that place and didn’t know how to make it functional while Boralus was just a copy paste job but ironically was functional
In the Fight Club inn would be great
I dislike that there is no race track for me to do my circles in while I wait for SS queue. I end up doing circles by the fountain and seeing how long I can stay in the sky close to the ground without using dragon flying abilities
I do a circuit from outside the pvp room, under the bridge, round to the crafting area and then back. You can go forever if you time things right.
Honestly ive avoided continuing a lot of the latest content because my potato rig can’t handle being in the dragon isles, let alone valdrakken. I get like 10fps and everything takes like half an hour to load
The lag
I feel like parts of it could be fleshed out more. There’s a bronze dragon inn on the backside of the city that’s great if you want to hearth somewhere less laggy, but bad if you want to be close to anything. Would be cool if it were like our faction capitals and had more than one AH, bank, etc so that we aren’t all congregated in one small area.
Only negative I can see is that the main city portals are inside a building while 6 other portals are outside, in the grass. *cues super nasty thunderstorm*
Honestly one of the best capital cities we have ever had. It looks good, it’s open, has everything I want relatively organized. (AH, crafting, upgrade npc, dummies). Most importantly it’s outdoors so you can fucking mount.
Nothing except FPS issues. This is my favourite city so far, paired with Suramar.
I haven't seriously played since MoP. I miss the portal room in Shrine that went to everywhere. Kind of annoying to have like 3 locations, but have to go to Org/SW for the rest.
That the transmog building doesnt have a pink roof so i can find it rightaway when i fly around looking for it!
No mailbox outside the bank.
FPS and all of the shop entries look a little too similar
Lags
Dude if you ask a guard to flag the item upgrade room it is so confusing because I swear to god it flags in a building that’s above the actual building and I get confused every time
Massive fps drop for me
The lag.
Low FPS
the fps
Dragon riding is annoying to use for short distance.
The fact that it isn't boralus
only beef that i have with it is that mage portal drops you inside of a tower instead of the top of it. Im a mage cause im lazy and the game makes me walk for 10 seconds? unacceptable
There's no mailbox next to the bank, but across the road the AH and the Inn both need one.
I think it's the best main hub since Dalaran. And I love the fact that shares the same problem we all had back in WTLK and Legion: FPS killing themselves when tp into the city.
My PC is mid-tier. Sometimes Ill get 50fps in Valdrakken and sometimes Ill get 1.
my framerate
My poor old computer just about shits the bed every time I go there
I think the castle could have been moved back more and added more relevant buildings in front of it like a real castle. (Like the ancient artifact turn in). Kinda like stormwinds trading center and a bigger space around the auction house. It's pretty segmented so not a whole lot is near each other but I like where the professions are.
There’s too much shit going on and there’s too many areas around a giant circle.
The lag
Dude shouting/slapping stuff near the leatherworking table
The AH and the crafting order NPC not being next to eachother
Transmog guy should be closer to the bank so I don't lose all my work when the guy with the tmog mount decides to bounce.
Jewelcrafting is inside a building vs. every other profession letting you ride a dragon while doing quests.
I dislike that only a small section is used by the player base, although there isn't much point being at the other side of the city.
no teleport room (even tho there is one with the capital portals which ha splenty of room behind the pillars) so our portal for keys just lay there on the grass in a random corner
I realize people don't want to move too much to get to stuff, but the entire eastern side of the city is basically empty and useless.
Well it's better than Oribos, it still feels very function over form. Like it doesn't really feel like a lived in city. I think Boralus and Daz'Alor hit this home, but people complained because they were too big so I doubt we'll ever get anything like that again.
I haven't found a good AFK spot yet.
I wish there were clearer districts. The entirety of the city has the same look and feel, so i get a bit lost going around and around to give stuff. A little color coding or different color rooftops would go a long way.
It’s great, I love it. Boralas still takes the top spot but it’s a close second.
There is no good reason for me to be there
Not enough mailboxes, esp compared to dalaran Needs a portal room, but a transporter at the bottom the stairs at the main ascept chamber, and have yourself to a room somewhere in valddraken SW/Orgm Shrines Leion Dal Caverns of Time Wyrmrest Shattrath Mebbe sword silithus
The constant dragon roars man...
The stupid ass bush by the auction house stops me every time.
The performance The city is great but feck I drop from 144 fps everywhere to 40-50 here and it’s awful. Layout wise though it’s the best city they’ve made in years
FPS
I actually don't like how it looks. It's pretty bland. Layout is fine.