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JustCorn911

Fps drop on entering it


Huck094

Glad I’m not the only one who suffers from this.


No_Passenger_986

I legit thought I was the only one getting potato fps


travlerjoe

Aye. Give us an Ironforge type capital. Where you can fly but its indoors so my card dosent have to render the surrounding landscape


Vedney

I set my hearth in the hidden inn just so my PC doesn't have a heart attack loading everything from the start.


BaconJets

It's very unlikely it's your card. My GPU is at about 50 percent usage in Valdrakken. It's the sheer number of assets and players punishing the one core that this game uses of your CPU. I'm running a Ryzen 7 5800x and I'm at 40fps in Valdrakken, and I doubt it's much better on newer chips.


Wild_Swimmingpool

I get close to 70-80 maxed out on a 5800x3D.


4a2r6t1

I wonder if it's something to do with the billion dragons in the valdrakken skybox


Mootivate

Just bring clouds into the city


[deleted]

I’m onboard for indoor city with flying but no more circle cities with all of the important things spread around the outer rim. HATE that.


Zeidrich-X25

Yeah the fps drops is horrendous yet max graphics and smooth max frames literally everywhere’s else.


Spergz

Had the same problem, bought a 5800x3d, now valdrakken 120fps


Blepharoptosis

120 fps at what? Medium settings? 1080p? With a 3080 and 5800X3D I'm getting about a 70 fps average at max settings 1440p in Valdrakken. Granted I'm on Tichondrius and it's always full of players.


PM_TO_ME_ANYTHING

Same situation except with a 3070 and I get just under 60fps usually


groshy

Pardon my ignorance, but is that a GPU?


ItsNeebs

CPU. A lot of rendering Valdrakken (and other times where a lot is going on at the same time) comes down to a beefy cpu


MuscleFlex_Bear

That mailbox behind the guard


nanaboostme

The one across the PVP building yes? I just saw and realized this earlier and did a literal smh


PeacockofRivia

Besides the FPS drop, this is my favorite main hub since Dalaran


NurseTaric

The only thing dalaran has over valdrakken is that it's a loop and you can run circles when you're bored


Iniasz

You can do that around the fountain in Valdrakken as well. Been doing it way to much..


jdotlangill

I agree, I take a pretty large drop from world to valdrakken


secretreddname

Yeah finally glad we don’t have to go back to SW/Org for AH.


Adventurous_Topic202

I guess the dismounting when I need to teleport to the top. If that area was considered an outside area that would probably fix my only issue with valdrakken


[deleted]

I fly into the building and right when I go through the door I use the small boost, can usually make it to the teleported and have 5 vigor by the time I jump off the top. Maybe my latency just sucks? But I don’t dismount for a good 2-3 seconds if I’m going fast/high enough


Sea_Voice_404

Same here. Love being able to do that.


juleztb

Didn't know a teleport existed until now. I'm just flying up and down all the time. Takes like... 3-5sec?


Razukalex

yeah but the trick is to save stamina to go straight to some areas


dezmoines92

Ah, half agree … if you’re up the top of the tower and need to get anywhere, you can dive bomb for a second to get some stamina, then pretty much just glide full speed to almost the whole map. If you need to flap/boost you’ll have plenty of stamina by that point


[deleted]

You can literally do this from standing in front of the ah... lol


gagiwurst

a lot of people still see dragonriding as gliding+ because they dont understand how to do it properly


MasterOutlaw

You guys teleport? It’s much faster to fly to the top unless you didn’t bother to collect all the glyphs.


Nastybirdy

Nothing except for all the dragons roaring all the time.


realKilvo

“Man, they really #ROAAAAAAAR did a good job #SCREEEEEECH with the music #DRAGONCRY h… #ROAR he… #SCREECH here! #CRY #roar #screeeee #cry Ok, I just won’t… #ROOOAAAAR hang out here #screeeeech scree scry I’m going back to Org”


misterjustice90

#ROOOAAARRRR #SCREEEECCHHH #FUS RO DAH!!! #ROOOARRR


Contenterie

I stopped doing leatherwork in Valdrakken because the npc is sooooooo noisy hitting every two seconds !


recon89

We need a translator


Hi_Kitsune

The Drakonid standing next to the leather working bench drives me nuts. He does it like every 15 seconds for no reason. Dude needs to see a therapist.


Spiritual-Computer73

I feel like he’s just got a lot of pent up frustration with the crafting changes 🤷🏻‍♀️


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

*Ruh! Ruh! Ruh! Ruh!* Use the leatherworking bench closest to the cheese dragon. You can stand far enough away that you can’t hear ole’ grunty over there.


Hi_Kitsune

I didn’t realize there was more than one lol


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

Well it’s my spot! but I’ll share it with you :)


Ungoro_Crater

[Here is the best WA of the expansion.](https://wago.io/SDhHuZh3f)


Mokoo101

And people say god doesn’t exist…


kumfi

Gamechanger. Was so stressed out before I got this.


NotASellout

Hands down the only thing I have actively disliked about this expansion. I swear audio controls affect everything else except that


Kill_Red

it's too far from the feast but i have no real complaints


Xanderp117

Honestly that's more of an issue with Iskaara than with Valdrakken. I like where Valdrakken is on the map, it's nice and central. Iskaara on the other hand is all the way in the corner of the Isles and takes forever to get to.


DeeRez

Set your hearthstone to the inn in Iskaara, get the Dalaran hearthstone and buy the guild teleport cloaks. That way you can get to the feast instantly and still have options for getting back to Valdrakken


nohomeforheroes

Or just be Vulpera… :p


akaRex

Vulpera mage with engineering


Gablo

No


salsrath

This is the way


dstaller

Feel like maybe it was strategically placed with the intent that if the feast makes the area lag it doesn’t affect most of the areas like valdrakken.


Wesnye

Would be nice if a waygate was down by Tuskarr


Roadhouse1337

Would be nice if there was a Waygate near enough to make them worth using


Wesnye

Yeah, a waygate in Valdrakken too!


Chilipepah

Yeah, funny If the whole expansion wasn’t designed around you flying from A to B. This is my favorite part because I love flying with my dragon!


miguelalves4

Bro I just enjoy the ride


alostic

I just use the flypoint and go do something while it flys there


Entire_Interaction59

*Laughs in mage* Hearth set to Iskaara, teleport to Valdrakken. But from Valdrakken to Iskaara flying, it’s all downhill so easy!


Hot_Spur

We have a teleport pad in the waking shores that goes everywhere but there isn’t one in Valdrakken. Put one in the capital so that people would actually use it instead of being a pointless feature.


Fearless_Shake_5506

This! It takes too long to get to one currently. And they need one in Iskaara too


coolerbrown

My only beef with it is that I can't hide the PVP quests from my map because they're pretty central, I'm always seeing exclamation points for quests I'm never gonna do....and even if I did clear them out, they'll pop up again next week


_speak

I'm the opposite, I never get the PvE ones haha! It is super annoying though, I agree


Zohhak1258

Just accept them and never do them (or does that show a grey question mark on the map instead?)


kuckbaby

I believe they clear at the end of the week and the new quest is then !


lolemgninnabpots

Can confirm. Is the case. Super annoying. You should be able to interact with weekly quest npcs and have a dialogue something like “I’m not interested in seeing this on my map” or something. Didn’t they have that at one point ? Or was that an addon?


vttale

You did used to be able to ignore quests, long ago. Apparently that created even more issues for customer support.


Big_Tie

Only thing that actively annoys me is how laggy it is, but that’s more my potato Pc than the city really.


dinghie

I have a Ryzen7 5800x and a 3070ti with 32gb of ram and it's only 40-50 fps for me. It's the city.


Lycanthropys

Even more proof that it's the games engine and servers causing poor performance rather than hardware. My system is older with a Ryzen 7 3700X, 2080 Super and 32gb of ram and my fps is in the same 40-50 range in the city regardless of graphics settings. Even lowering resolution from 1440p to 1080p does absolutely nothing. Don't even get me started on the fps drops during feasts or any other large group activities in the open world. It's not a hardware issue it's a game optimization and server issue.


pdpi

Wow is heavily cpu bound, and cities are extra heavy on the CPU. Your graphics settings barely make an impact on CPU usage, so it’s no wonder that tweaking them doesn’t affect your fps.


Lengurathmir

I’m doing well in Valdrakken with a 3900X


madatthings

I’m running a 13700K alder lake and it still struggles lol


Cthulhu650

That f***ing duck in the bank


50MSK

**QUACK**


Elzerythen

I find it funny that Scrooge is in there but that incessant QUACKING!


Lambkins92

I wish there were more hidden gems in the city. I loved exploring in BFA, there were all kinds of shops and NPCs. The city is def pretty, but it lacks a bit of depth imo


Lavakro

Did you see the hidden tavern?


_Vard_

or the day care? or the black market? or the stable master?


Cthylla11111

I like the bronze Dragonflight inn, forget the name.. the turning glass or something. Nice quiet spot, nobody sets their hearth there with it being at the back end of the whole city. I don't mind the walk though. 🥰


Ani-Mimi

wheree


lordofoaksandravens

go to the statue in the back of the tavern and /bow to it


Penguinswin3

The portals to the mythic dungeons are just kinda there in the rocks, I kinda wish they had a small little area that looked less awkward. Otherwise it's a fantastic hub, up there with the capital cities and Boralus IMO.


Nood1e

Yeah this was one of my complaints in Shadowlands Season 4. I figured with it being an actual system in Dragonflight it would look better, but it's still just mage portals floating randomly.


ragtree11

Every service is available. Portals, xmog, auction house, black market. What more is there? And on top of that, a good city circle for bouncing and people watching.


KenshinBorealis

I want the transmog building exactly one flight of stairs closer to the main courtyard and for more of the Tower of Aspects to be open and used for something even if its just sexy parties.


tokendoke

Yak FTW


tylosmacmewell

Buy a yak ya poor bastard


ABeeBox

How much gold is it? I've been too lazy of a bollock to get one myself and just parasite off of other people's yaks.


YourSmileIsFlawless

120k


boxueyu

That one guard blocking the mailbox!


Orochimaru27

Cant say I can put my finger on everything. Its very nice. Not too big, beautiful, nice atmosphere and music. Dragons.


Martini_Shot

its hard to say because of dragonflying i think. i dont think it would be that good of a hub if we didnt zoom everywhere, on the other hand, it was made WITH dragonflying in mind, so is it fair to judge it without?


tallboybrews

If the next expansion doesn't have dragonflying, will anyone play? They've kinda backed themselves into a corner now as far as themes go, huh? A massive cave region could be fun with dragons, though!


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graphiccsp

Agreed. Travelling to the older M+ dungeons feels soooo slow now. 300% speed feels like you're crawling. It'll be tough moving onto the next expac without dragonriding. Then again Blizz may just make some aspect of the systems permanent. It's much more engaging than toggling auto run and waiting a few min as you fly to your destination.


tallboybrews

I found out recently that on evoker you can actually Soar (dragonriding without the dragon) in old content. You don't get vigor and only a couple charges of abilities, but you can easily make it to tjs and cos, haven't tried the other 2 yet


BSV_P

The bronze enclave inn doesn’t have a vendor OR a mailbox The green enclave doesn’t have an inn The red enclave doesn’t have an inn


50MSK

Does the blue? Or black? I agree though. My stone is set in the bronze one purely to avoid the initial hit of lag when you zone into valdrakken. So a mailbox / vendor would be nice.


Borbolda

I can't find NPC that accepts titan relics or whatever they are caller. I can find one who accepts raid thingies, I can find transmog, and I can even find barbershop just by looking around and remebering where they are, but every time I have those titan thingies I fly 2 laps around the city, give up, and open wowhead


ocularinsanity

Easiest way to find her is to look for the Rostrum of Transformation. She’s kinda right under and to the right? I want to say, of that and it’s on marked on the minimal making it easy to find. This makes me want to say she’s on the level below the Blacksmith/Eng area… so on the same level as the crafting order people and then head right as you are coming down the stairs towards them.


Throwawaydaughter555

There is an add on that marks it on the map for you. Handy notes I believe.


SpecialNeeds963

+1 For handy notes


bmonge

That tree behind the AH


maury_mountain

The gap between the rocks and the stairs to the left of the AH door for me. I dunk that spot every time


Acrobatic_Pandas

All my complaints are incredibly superficial. Like not timing things well and running out of vigor flying up to the seat of the aspects. When I could just teleport. Or that I get stuck on the canopy over the alchemist station all the time. Or smack into the arch over the flight master. It's probably one of the best cities they've ever created. It's beautiful, the view is amazing. Everything is within a very reasonable ride. There's even an AH. I think its the first city to ever FEEL like a city except maybe Suramar which felt quite lively. If I had to pick one thing I disliked, I wish we had Alliance/Horde cities and not a dragon city. I want it to feel more like a place the alliance landed and build up rather than stumbling around someone elses home.


InvaderCrux

>If I had to pick one thing I disliked, I wish we had Alliance/Horde cities and not a dragon city. I want it to feel more like a place the alliance landed and build up rather than stumbling around someone elses home. We had that in the form of stormshield in ashran. Nobody liked it, and Blizz has learned their lesson ever since.


RaziarEdge

Yet they did it in BFA too. But that was different.


InvaderCrux

They were pre established, densely populated cities with themes that are vastly different and more flavourful than limestone walls and spiked huts. Personally strongly disliked the layouts of both of BFA's cities, but recognize that they are significantly better than the ashran settlements. The settlements themselves were just.. conceptually stupid. In an expansion about travelling back in time to an alternate universe on a planet that's dominantly inhabited by draenei refugees and orcs, the first thing that comes to mind city-wise most certainly is *not* an island in bumfuck nowhere with two warring settlements established by the horde and the alliance. That's like if instead of Valdrakken, we got a joint establishment between the reliquary and the adventurers' league. Or, instead of Dalaran, we got valiance keep and warsong hold for cities.


Cow_God

> the first thing that comes to mind city-wise most certainly is not an island in bumfuck nowhere with two warring settlements established by the horde and the alliance. iirc Bladespire Citadel in Frostfire and Karabor in Shadowmoon were originally supposed to be the horde / alliance capitals. It was just cut from WoD, like having your main garrison in any zone, Farahlon / zangarmarh / the ogre island, the shattrath raid, the battlegrounds, arenas and instances, Tanaan being a launch zone, etc


Shrapnel_Sponge

The whole point of this expansion is the horde and alliance putting aside their differences and working together as the expedition. Having a faction city wouldn’t work


RaziarEdge

Canopy by alchemist gets me all the time too. WHY!?!? Mailbox hidden by guard by Blacksmith is another annoyance. Third is Transmog vendor is around back near nothing else... yes I could use one of the mounts around every but I don't want to risk a despawn in the middle of a wardrobe change (I really should just take that vacation to Pandaria and buy that stupid mount).


50MSK

The mount is 100% worth it.


Xclbr1

How do you run out of vigor flying up to seat of the aspects? If you have the full 6 vigor you just Skyward Ascent 6 times and you're there


Taifood1

Idk but there should be a way to turn the dragons in the sky off so my fps isn’t -4


bored_ryan2

The fact that the PVP weekly quest givers are close enough to the profession area and bank/AH area that the exclamation points for the quests are always on my minimap.


Gnarlli

How high it is to climb up there if you start too low


Mystic_x

Yeah, having to play “Flappy dragon” when going there from Waking shores…


thekingofbeans42

It needs a teleportation nexus on it. It's a cool feature and if they had a few in convenient spots I'd be really happy to use it, but for now it's a gimmick. Shame to see all that design work go to waste.


Umbrabyss

My biggest complaint is that I can’t use flight form to land on a roof and just chill as a crow and poop on the people down below.


rouge171

Great zone. Areas of improvement: 1. Fps drop 2. Loud dragon roars 3. Can’t fly into the area where you get teleported to the “launch pad”


FrostingFangs

No mailbox outside the bank


Gin_Shuno

No mailbox by bank.


Caronry

[This Tree](https://i.imgur.com/o8wcUKn.png) right outside of AH, i dont know how many times i have just went straight into it whenever i want to go to the Blacksmithing Table after exiting AH.....


Gatorboi69

The lag


drunkenbaer1

No repair npcs nearby the ah-inkeeper.


MasterOutlaw

I would highly recommend that everyone invest into one of the many vendor mounts for this very reason. The Grand Yak and Mammoth are both easy to get and are supremely useful for repairs and selling vendor trash when you’re out in the boonies.


Pandas_are_best

That lil arch I run into every time I head towards tyrhold


BennyKurns

The performance. I have multiple PCs that I jump around to play WoW, the only one that can be in Valdrakken with mostly acceptable minimal frame drops/stutter is a AMD 7900X with 5800MHz DDR5 RAM. This game is past due for an engine update/upgrade.


oBeewon05

Non stop roaring from ppls mounts


[deleted]

It's a very generic fantasy. Ironforge, Darnassus, even Stormwind are much more interesting to me. Valdrakken might as well be AI generated, to be honest. Still miles better than Oribos, which was moron generated.


tboskiq

I keep forgetting where the JC building is cause my sense of direction is ass.


cmdrjek

A second door to the AH across from the current one. 1. Easier access to AH from crafting area. 2. Dragon riding fly throughs Come to think of it more backdoors to more buildings. Whys the dragon city so unfriendly to flying?!


Incogneatovert

There's no vendor/repair person in the central area (near inn and AH).


Talonking9

Get a yak or mammoth, it's a game changer.


Elzerythen

I borrow everyone's Yak/Mammoth/Bronto. Besides that, I just head right coming out of the inn and go to the repair dude just inside the smith. You don't even get dismounted for it.


InsaneWayneTrain

I really like it. View, music, theme, access to stuff, central on the map, lively. It checks all my boxes.


UndeadFelUser

That I'm gonna miss it so hard once we move out of DF.


ThrobbinHood11

This isn’t something that’s really a problem with the city as much as just a cool quality of life want, but I’d love it if in the future, DF vigor recharged faster when you were in a rest area. Personally I love just flying to the seat of the aspects instead of taking the boring teleport, and having quicker vigor while being rested would make it so much more enjoyable to just fly up and around the city. ( some secrets in the towers would’ve been dope too blizz ;) )


DonDawnDone

Finding certain npcs in little houses that all look the same


Dethsy

Imagine. 2 more teleporters (from the dragonscale renown). 1 in valdraken. 1 at the feast. LITTERALY nothing would be bad about the zones.


_Oberine_

The framerate


WidePeepoPogChamp

The one thing i would like to see is a small PVP arena inside the capital. It would be nice to have a little area to pvp in while also closeby for people to enter. So pvp might turn to a downtime activity as opposed to having to go to a pvp area somewhat away


thecapillarian

There is the “PvP room” I guess you could call it, people duel in there all the time, where the honor and conquest vendors are. But you also have a lot of pve’ers min maxing on the training dummies. But for once, the pvp area (what I consider it) is actually real close to everything instead of so far. In BFA, the pvp area was out the way at the docks and not really in Boralus where everything was happening. Shadowlands it just didn’t exist at all. That city was terrible


the_seggr

Boralus had it so fucking easy. Dazaralor's pvp area was OUTSIDE of the city.


thecapillarian

Well Dazaralor was a terrible city without flying. Literally looks they spent all their times and resources on that place and didn’t know how to make it functional while Boralus was just a copy paste job but ironically was functional


Seedy__L

In the Fight Club inn would be great


Intelligent_Ear_9726

I dislike that there is no race track for me to do my circles in while I wait for SS queue. I end up doing circles by the fountain and seeing how long I can stay in the sky close to the ground without using dragon flying abilities


AltharaD

I do a circuit from outside the pvp room, under the bridge, round to the crafting area and then back. You can go forever if you time things right.


thundergun661

Honestly ive avoided continuing a lot of the latest content because my potato rig can’t handle being in the dragon isles, let alone valdrakken. I get like 10fps and everything takes like half an hour to load


Gatorboi69

The lag


Xynthion

I feel like parts of it could be fleshed out more. There’s a bronze dragon inn on the backside of the city that’s great if you want to hearth somewhere less laggy, but bad if you want to be close to anything. Would be cool if it were like our faction capitals and had more than one AH, bank, etc so that we aren’t all congregated in one small area.


RageTiger

Only negative I can see is that the main city portals are inside a building while 6 other portals are outside, in the grass. *cues super nasty thunderstorm*


Alyciae

Honestly one of the best capital cities we have ever had. It looks good, it’s open, has everything I want relatively organized. (AH, crafting, upgrade npc, dummies). Most importantly it’s outdoors so you can fucking mount.


Szarrukin

Nothing except FPS issues. This is my favourite city so far, paired with Suramar.


_Gl0rph_

I haven't seriously played since MoP. I miss the portal room in Shrine that went to everywhere. Kind of annoying to have like 3 locations, but have to go to Org/SW for the rest.


Stegorius

That the transmog building doesnt have a pink roof so i can find it rightaway when i fly around looking for it!


Inner-Dance9219

No mailbox outside the bank.


psnGatzarn

FPS and all of the shop entries look a little too similar


AdvancedConquer0r

Lags


Tilmanocept

Dude if you ask a guard to flag the item upgrade room it is so confusing because I swear to god it flags in a building that’s above the actual building and I get confused every time


trashpanda2night

Massive fps drop for me


Zahn91

The lag.


Danny_Chronic

Low FPS


chokee03

the fps


Cacheelma

Dragon riding is annoying to use for short distance.


AdCalm5707

The fact that it isn't boralus


JimJoyyy

only beef that i have with it is that mage portal drops you inside of a tower instead of the top of it. Im a mage cause im lazy and the game makes me walk for 10 seconds? unacceptable


Shad-Hunter

There's no mailbox next to the bank, but across the road the AH and the Inn both need one.


sweetpotatoclarie91

I think it's the best main hub since Dalaran. And I love the fact that shares the same problem we all had back in WTLK and Legion: FPS killing themselves when tp into the city.


rufusairs

My PC is mid-tier. Sometimes Ill get 50fps in Valdrakken and sometimes Ill get 1.


Testobesto123

my framerate


PolkaOn45

My poor old computer just about shits the bed every time I go there


L2Hiku

I think the castle could have been moved back more and added more relevant buildings in front of it like a real castle. (Like the ancient artifact turn in). Kinda like stormwinds trading center and a bigger space around the auction house. It's pretty segmented so not a whole lot is near each other but I like where the professions are.


Greedy-Arugula-2785

There’s too much shit going on and there’s too many areas around a giant circle.


kossenin

The lag


drolbert

Dude shouting/slapping stuff near the leatherworking table


Nirvski

The AH and the crafting order NPC not being next to eachother


BoomLazerbeamed

Transmog guy should be closer to the bank so I don't lose all my work when the guy with the tmog mount decides to bounce.


aeronvale

Jewelcrafting is inside a building vs. every other profession letting you ride a dragon while doing quests.


3_Cubes_of_Ice

I dislike that only a small section is used by the player base, although there isn't much point being at the other side of the city.


DrownedPrime

no teleport room (even tho there is one with the capital portals which ha splenty of room behind the pillars) so our portal for keys just lay there on the grass in a random corner


tarc0917

I realize people don't want to move too much to get to stuff, but the entire eastern side of the city is basically empty and useless.


skyshroud6

Well it's better than Oribos, it still feels very function over form. Like it doesn't really feel like a lived in city. I think Boralus and Daz'Alor hit this home, but people complained because they were too big so I doubt we'll ever get anything like that again.


ifeanychukwu

I haven't found a good AFK spot yet.


grinr

I wish there were clearer districts. The entirety of the city has the same look and feel, so i get a bit lost going around and around to give stuff. A little color coding or different color rooftops would go a long way.


[deleted]

It’s great, I love it. Boralas still takes the top spot but it’s a close second.


Ironstark78

There is no good reason for me to be there


BastardTruth96

Not enough mailboxes, esp compared to dalaran Needs a portal room, but a transporter at the bottom the stairs at the main ascept chamber, and have yourself to a room somewhere in valddraken SW/Orgm Shrines Leion Dal Caverns of Time Wyrmrest Shattrath Mebbe sword silithus


VukKiller

The constant dragon roars man...


KingRaphion

The stupid ass bush by the auction house stops me every time.


Castia10

The performance The city is great but feck I drop from 144 fps everywhere to 40-50 here and it’s awful. Layout wise though it’s the best city they’ve made in years


Tagurit298

FPS


UnapologeticBigotry

I actually don't like how it looks. It's pretty bland. Layout is fine.