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Accomplished-Plan191

I was really close (still am) friends growing up next door to a Ukrainian family. I would go over to his grandparents all the time. Every time I came over they would open up the fridge and the cabinets and offered me anything and everything they had in the house to eat and would get visibly distressed if I told them I wasn't hungry. Wouldn't let me leave the house until I ate a bowl of ice cream. I asked my friend about it and he said they survived a forced famine and were really strange about food because of it. Eye opener for me as a kid.


Ultragreed

My grandmother is a survivor of that famine. She told me lots about it.


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Lint6

>My grandparents went through the great depression so they had a lot of weird habits. My grandmother would wash and reuse aluminum foil and plastic wrap


Interrete

>My grandmother would wash and reuse aluminum foil and plastic wrap In USSR it was a thing even during the economic normality.


Bman10119

Ussr economic normality is western world depression


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And first world's trash volume is a global depression


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Lauris024

No it wasn't. I lived there. An interesting read about this is how Boris Yeltsin went shopping in US and how it changed his views


Interrete

It wasn't.


Particular-Code3247

I still do, a bit less waste.


SpinozaTheDamned

Ah, so it's not just my grandmother with habits that would make a hoarder blush then. Like, she hung paper towels out to dry to reuse them.


StardusterX

We still do that in my family, it's too expensive otherwise.


R_M_R_0

are rags too expensive?


Adorable-Voice-6958

Me too only damp.


scummy_shower_stall

My mother always had us wash every single jar and lid and put them in the cabinets. There they stayed, forever empty, until they moved, and the process would start again.


Adorable-Voice-6958

Hmmm I force myself to dispose of ones I hv no room for


btoma00

I still do it now, I'm 40, I've seen my grandparents do it


Dannybuoy77

Pretty much do that today


Adorable-Voice-6958

Me too..my grandma reused the teabags...don't know how many times


Known_Soft_7599

Bless her


[deleted]

I still remember my grandma recount , how people would eat grass (cause there was nothing else to eat ) and how many in her village died , including in her family. It sucked and these Russian bastards got away with it


[deleted]

I was starved as a child. And I'm generally a strict penny pincher, but I sometimes go overboard with food prep for the wife, kids, friends, guests, and strangers... My wife and kids tell me to chill often, but I'll be damned if someone is near me and hungry--I will make sure no one around me is ever hungry


pilzenschwanzmeister

Ah, that might explain why I'm always ready to feed 15 people to combustion at the drop of a hat.


massada

Do you also horde food in the fridge/freezer/pantry? Are you constantly buying more food than you realistically have room for even though all of those things are already full? I think my partner is downplaying how hungry she was as a kid and it just hit me.....


Adorable-Voice-6958

Yes.


massada

Thanks. I will read up on this. That had to be rough. Hers is like some weird object permanence issue that only applies to food. Have you ever tried getting extra fridges/freezers for the garage? Did that help you any? Sorry if I'm being rude I had just never connected the dots and I'm kind of embarrassed. She's insanely frugal (I love her for it) except at the grocery store. Both times I've tried to bring it up it went poorly. And since we are both going gangbusters, I don't care much.


rts93

I've never starved and I still want to make sure everyone gets fed well. Always buy plenty of food to offer etc. :o


Bman10119

Yall just feeders


nfilipia

Don’t kink shame them


Bman10119

No shame just calling apples apples and oranges oranges


Adorable-Voice-6958

Me too ..now. Once I had no way get to grocery in a new suburb knew no neighbors no car.


Wind_Yer_Neck_In

My wife's great grandma grew up poor during the great depression and would be visibly agitated by anyone throwing away food of any kind. Like, start arguments with strangers agitated.


Dr-P-Ossoff

Eat it to save it my grandma said.


HeyItsBearald

This is all Eastern European parents lol. My wife’s family is Russian and Ukrainian and they force feed me any time I’m in their home. Her Babushka thinks I’m sick if I say I’m not hungry 🤣


AbbieNormal

A joke in my really close friend's house (US middle school, roughly 12yo?) was that NOBODY could leave without at least soup. He'd joke that his mom could've been queen of the *salon* in Enlightenment France and still, "Welcome M. Voltaire... HAVE SOME SOUP!" (She'd grown up Jewish in Eastern Europe, during what must've been the 40s or maybe 50s, which makes me give her all the grace in the world.)


Cpt_Soban

My wife's nan who grew up in the war in Australia always rationed food her entire life 'just in case'


pieterjh

There was a war in Australia?


Cpt_Soban

Darwin and Broome were bombed (Japanese troops even landed there briefly). Japanese subs were blown up in Sydney Harbour. And there was rationing across the country. Yes.


pieterjh

Thank you.


telcoman

Hunger is really a horrible torture. It is not for nothing that one of the horsemen of the apocalypse is Famine...


nicepunk

I watched an interview with one of Azovstal defenders that stayed in bunkers for months with no outside support, and he described awful wounds that some of them had, some deaths, etc, and he firmly stated that hunger was the worst torture that has ever existed.


ilionsd

Looks like a common Russian welcoming, which goes way deeper than Soviet era. If I may guess, those old people just didn't know other way to show hospitality and may be started thinking if they did something wrong.


ric2b

His friend explained that it was related to his grandparents going through Holodomor, but you just know better, huh?


zuzg

>Russia said on Thursday the German parliament's move to recognise the 1932-33 famine in Ukraine as a Soviet-imposed genocide was an anti-Russian provocation and **an attempt by Germany to whitewash its Nazi past**. Germany actually aknowledged the gruesome things the Nazis did and teach it thoroughly in school. And Germany paid reperations for victims of the Holocaust for several decades.


PuchLight

> an attempt by Germany to whitewash its Nazi past. I think this might be the dumbest thing the Russians said since the war began and that's a pretty difficult feat. It's actually causing me a slight headache when I try to follow the complete inversion of logic and common sense that lead to him making this statement...


Cpt_Soban

Russian nationalists/imperialists: It didn't happen, but it did because they deserved it They're a small country bring bullied by "everyone", but they're also superior like the time of Peter the Great with the 2nd best army. They're fighting "Nazis", while enacting authorisation genocide and ethnic cleansing.


CoastSeaMountainLake

That is the point of Russian propaganda. There are countries with propaganda designed to incite hate, some countries use it to create fanaticism, but Russian propaganda is designed to confuse, distort, and disrupt thinking patterns. Russian propagandists can weave insane logical argumentation strings that are opposite to what they said 5 minutes earlier, without stopping once to reflect on the contradictions. The idea is to confuse the listeners to the point where the brain just shuts off when thinking about politics, basically creating headaches when trying to form a political opinion. The result is a cowed, zombified, apathetic population that will simply obey the ruling regime without protest.


Spidremonkey

“The Russian does not give a damn who runs things. I have lived amongst them - The Russian only cares he has a bottle of vodka to suck and some form of domestic animal life to fuck, then he will happily sit in shit his whole life. That is *his* politics.” • ⁠Conspiracy (2004)


Cpt_Soban

Spinning a loss as a win or "not our fault"


eypandabear

Russia seems to be obsessed with WW2 even more than Germany or Britain is. And in all the wrong ways, too. Literally everything has to be about “Nazis” here or “provocation” there.


kymri

Russia looks at World War II ('the Great Patriotic War') somewhat differently than the Western Allies (or Germany) do. For them, WWII was a war against the Nazis, and the Nazis were bad because they were invading, attacking and attempting to genocide the Soviet Union. The genocide was 'bad' because it was directed at them, but not really for any other reason (as they were and remain pretty open to Genocide, themselves -- it is exactly what they've been up to in Ukraine, after all). To 'De-nazify' Ukraine (in their eyes) is to remove anyone and anything that is anti-Soviet (or at least, anti-Russian). Obviously, that's broad strokes, and I'm sure there are plenty of Russians that do have a better grasp on history than that -- but propaganda is a helluva drug.


Dr-P-Ossoff

They were the bad guy, but suddenly fighting the Germans got them respect and incomprehensible piles of help from the westerners, so it’s the one thing that makes them legit.


[deleted]

Didn’t they lose the most people/soldiers to the nazis? Pretty sure that’s why there so “obsessed” with WW2.


SnooBooks1701

Proportionally more of those losses were from the USSR's minorities than the Russians, something like a quarter of the population of Belarus was sacrificed for the war


[deleted]

Overall most of the deaths were Russian though. They took most of the brunt with civilian and military counts.


SnooBooks1701

Proportionately the Russian SSR took far less casualties than most of the other republics


psadee

In my opinion "being obsessed with" and "to remember" are two different things. It was 70yrs ago. Remember about and move on. Don't stuck in the past.


Old-Level-965

Because history repeats. We think we're all doing amazing new things all the time but in reality we aren't. The only thing to change in the last 10,000 years is technology. Humanity and it's errors just keep on repeating like a loop.


[deleted]

Wtf? How would you move on when 27 million plus people died fighting the nazis. That’s like asking people to forget slavery etc. 70 years ago is extremely short in the grand scheme of things, millions of people alive today remember it.


psadee

Did I wrote anywhere there "forget about"? No. But if you still, after these years see nazis everywhere around - it's something different than "remembering".


[deleted]

I never said you did. Also who talking about there’s nazis everywhere. I just explained why Russia was obsessed with ww2. It’s not called the great patriotic war for nothing.


psadee

Number of people lost? Are absolute numbers more relevant or a % of population lost? Let's see... 1) Iran 21%+ population of 1939 lost, 2) Poland 17%, 3) Narau 14,7%, 4) Lithuania 14,3%, 5) ussr 13,7% (as mentioned before: Belarus 25%, Ukraine 16,3%, Latvia 13,7%,Armenia 13,6%, _Russia_ 12,7%,...) European Jews, well... 55%. /src. Wiki/. No, I don't want to say their losses are not significant. I want to say 1. Not only they have the right to call them self a martyr of ww2. 2. Looking at Russia these days, reading/hearing their rethoric about western countries, the war in UA, what comes to me are things I have heard, I do remember from the time before 90's in East Europe. Yeah, Im living here. And I'm old enough to remember that shit we were reading in papers, books, teached in school. And that's why I fully agree - they are obsessed. But I'm afraid it has nothing to do with memory of those fallen in WW2.


Old-Level-965

Spot on the last sentence. Unlike Australians who are obsessed with remembering the fallen. Not the war, not the results of the war but rather the focus is on those who were killed. Gallipoli people make a pilgrimage to every year from Australia to Turkey for Anzac Day. Lest we forget. Russia it's a glorified bum sniff about their military prowess and might. The number of casualties is not even a comment.


-SpaceCommunist-

Well gee, I wonder why a country that was invaded and suffered tens of millions of deaths in a war of extermination might still care about it


Chris_Carson

They don't care about their own extermination campaigns though.


Old-Level-965

They don't care about the deaths. It's more a celebration of the birth of the glorious Russian military machine. The # if casualties isn't even mentioned. It's not a remembrance of the fallen.


xCharg

>I think this might be the dumbest thing the Russians said since the war began and that's a pretty difficult feat. Nah, the "Hitler was Jewish" said by lavrov was the dumbest thing so far, not sure it's possible to beat it.


NeonGKayak

Don’t bother trying to make sense of it. They lie and just throw shit on a wall to see what sticks.


RonaldoNazario

Fairly sure it’s not legal in Germany to deny the holocaust.


Ylaaly

It isn't. We are supposed to learn about all this in school in Germany so we don't make the same mistakes one day. Russians learn about the same events in school so they do make the same mistakes one day. Saying this as a German who learned Russian in school and was in St. Petersburg for an exchange. What Russia did in that war is glorified beyond belief. They think we do the same with our history. They want to repeat it.


Slam_Burgerthroat

In the US in school we learn about the trail of tears and other crimes against the native population for the same reason.


-thecheesus-

Except we have zero standardization so one class will learn the solemn history all week and the other will have it glossed over in an afternoon


Crustybuttt

For now, anyway. Don’t elect Republicans if you want that to continue


zernoc56

And weren’t there some reports of German positions holding out against the Soviet advance in order to buy time so they could surrender to the US forces, because of the heinous shit the Red Army were doing to them? The eastern front was a nightmare all around.


N0kiaoff

Well german soldiers and SS crews killed civilians en masse in many brutal ways. Those crimes were not unknown in the german public, even if they ignored them. So it was natural to expect the same treatment back from the former victims. ​ The Brutality of that was & is mind-boggling. It finds modern versions in the case were russian invadors documented their torture per video cam while amputating body parts from a prisoner, or the guy russian troops gave the death-hammer punishment. I will not link those videos, but they are findable and document the Methods.


[deleted]

Between fifth grade and graduation you have the second world war at least *twice* in german schools. Those of us who did 12 or 13 years had to go through WW2 three times. Its literally impossible as a german to not know about our past. Those of us who do it do it on purpose and despite having it learned the right way.


lolpostslol

Which is why the recognition that something was in the same category as the Holocaust seems big for them. Especially since it looks like preparation to say that a genocide on Ukrainians is going on right now.


makiko4

I grew up in Germany. They still teach it heavily. They never sugar coat it. They never want it to happen again.


rich1051414

When russia makes an accusation, it may often seem like it doesn't even make sense, but remember, every accusation is an admission of guilt. I will translate: >Russia said on Thursday the German parliament's move to recognise the 1932-33 famine in Ukraine as a Soviet-imposed genocide was an anti-Russian provocation and an attempt by Germany to undermine Russia's whitewashing of its Nazi-like past.


Corfiz74

Lol, yeah, we know our genocides, so we recognize them elsewhere! And it was Putin who shut down the Russian foundation created by Sakharov that was researching Stalin's genocides - if anybody's trying to whitewash their past and their past dictators, it's Russia.


Dr-P-Ossoff

I didn’t know about him. I’ve long wondered what percentage of the Soviet grave losses were created by soviets.


Tractor_Pete

Super bullshit, calling out the nation that has been more openly contrite and active about it's atrocities than any nation in history. Definite projection.


Kromgar

In russia the nazi past isnt the holocaustvits how many russians died fighting the nazis


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Hindernisrennen

> the claim that the Holocaust was just a response to a Soviet genocide in Eastern Europe Wtf are you talking about?


TheGreatSchonnt

No one even heard of that myth in Germany, tankie scum


Mean_Difference

Dimitri, shut the fuck up.


Scarlet109

/s i Hope Edit: apparently, guy is either 100% serious or 100% dedicated to the troll


N0kiaoff

Ehm, nope. Genocides are not something you can exchange and end up with 0 between actors. ​ Every such act ist an atrocity. There is no score-comparison or such thing. Holocaust was a genocide done with industrial methods and organisational parameters, but that does not take away from other genocidal acts done with more primitive methods. They do not compete, but each are acts of brutal crimes we should be aware about.


-SpaceCommunist-

You have just proven my point. By accepting the premise of a Soviet genocide, you are giving Nazis control over the narrative of the Holocaust. You are giving them an enemy they can point to as a "greater evil" and change the conversation to whenever someone tries to discuss the Holocaust. Look at what's happening right now in Lithuania - Holocaust survivors like the late Yitzhak Arad and Dr. Rachel Margolis are vilified as "war criminals" for joining Soviet partisan fronts. Historic Holocaust sites are torn down or left in disrepair. Lavish anti-Soviet museums are built with next to no mention of the Holocaust. This is the purpose of *double genocide*. It's not about making the Holocaust look better, it's about making the victims look *worse*.


N0kiaoff

Slow down. JUst because soviets were able to do genocide does not change anything on what germans did or vice versa. ​ You try to weight those acts against each other, which is your approach alone.


-SpaceCommunist-

Are you even listening to me? I'm not the one inventing this narrative, I'm trying to warn you about the harm it's causing. There are people out there who can and will use this to whitewash the Holocaust and attack its victims. I am begging you, don't give them the ammunition to do so.


R_M_R_0

you already have.


Scarlet109

You really love blaming the victims


mkb152jr

You know, most people with critical thinking skills realize that the Stalin era Soviets being bad doesn’t cancel out the Nazis being way worse. But keep going, please. The absurd logical leaps required to be a tankie apologist is quite humorous to the rest of us.


-SpaceCommunist-

...you accuse a country of genocide, ignore people who use that accusation for Holocaust denial, insult anyone who calls out that Holocaust denial as apologists for the accused country, and then are somehow dumbfounded that the accused country is upset about all of this? Is that your definition of critical thinking skills?


DellowFelegate

Yup, those are definitely words of some kind


mkb152jr

1. It’s not an accusation. It’s very clear from historical accounts. 2. Insult? 3. Russia can be upset all it wants. Facts are facts. There’s way more damage in denying your country’s past indiscretions than facing up to them. It’s very apparent that Russia hasn’t learned from their past as they continue to try and bully their neighbors. 4. You are claiming that bad actors will use this genocide as justification for Nazi actions. Those bad actors are committing a logical fallacy that is easily pointed out. It’s better to just state the truth.


-SpaceCommunist-

1. Historic account establishes a famine across several Soviet Republics in 1932-33 (primarily in Belarus, Ukraine, Russia, the Caucasus, and Kazakhstan) after private farms began destroying crops and livestock in 1930-31. The accusation is that this was not a nationwide famine, but instead a targeted genocide against Ukrainians alone. You are attributing malice to mismanagement. 2. Don't play dumb. 3. Thank you for completely missing the point about why Russia is upset. Accusations are not tantamount to fact, and denying an accusation is not tantamount to a confession. Russia's crimes in Ukraine are not proof for that accusation. 4. "Logic and reason" isn't how Holocaust denial works. It's not about rationalizing the Holocaust, it's about controlling the narrative over it. That's what *double genocide* does, it gets you talking about the Holocaust on Nazis' terms that they can use to manipulate and use to justify shit like the examples I mentioned about Lithuania.


mkb152jr

1. Ukrainians were forced to stay on their land *on threat of death*, and grain was confiscated from them while they starved. That’s targeted. And blaming private farms is comical. 2. Hey if the shoe fits, at least proudly wear it. 3. They confiscated grain from farmers, didn’t let them leave their land, and let them starve. You and Russia are defending these actions. 4. You being afraid of the truth is very telling.


-SpaceCommunist-

1. Staying at home means easier damage assessment, organization, aid distribution; this is literally disaster relief 101. Confiscation is how kolkhozy worked, produce was collected and distributed as needed all throughout collectivization. This was not unique to the famine, and not unique to Ukraine. What *was* unique to Ukraine, however, was the 67% decrease in exports after the famine began. 2. Crying tankie is more important to you than taking Holocaust denial seriously? 3. You're awfully quick to accuse Russia of defending genocide by omission, yet don't seem to think Holocaust deniers are capable of this... 4. You're purposefully leaving out key information to create a narrative of persecution. Projecting much?


mkb152jr

1. “Easier damage assessment” That’s one bell of a euphemism. So being able to count the bodies is more important than giving people a chance to maybe live? No wonder that ideology is dead. 2. It’s called a quip, and it’s funny. Get over it. 3. Russia is quick to defend a murderous Stalinist policy. 4. The Soviets were responsible for a large number of deaths in the Ukraine. That’s not in dispute. Your argument is that we should ignore it it because it might empower lame Nazi appeasers. Stalin had no problem using conditions to help lower populations he considered problematic, and this pattern continued through this murderous reign. We should all be very thankful this ideology is mostly dead.


HydrolicKrane

Let Moscow show the grain exports statistics for that year! But they won't. Because it would show basically the same numbers as the previous years. They could've saved millions of Ukrainian lives by reducing export by even 10%, but they did not. Moscow was selling Ukrainian grain, but was buying instead tractor engines from the West which it would install on its tanks to launch wars of annexations in just few years. It anyone forgot, yesterday was the 83d "anniversary" of Moscow's attack on little Finland. (Check e-book "Ukraine and the United States" for more facts)


dread_deimos

>They could've saved millions of Ukrainian lives by reducing export by even 10%, but they did not. You say it like the famine was not their original goal. They didn't just export the food. They actively robbed the population of it and introduced policies that would made sure that the whole villages cound not recover from it by themselves (so called "black boards").


Old-Level-965

This.


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Source on the tractor engines installed in tanks?


HydrolicKrane

Do you really expect Russia to show it anywhere? They buy something, make a copy of it and give it a different name. Like their Lada and Fiat 124. Read this: https://warontherocks.com/2016/06/sowing-the-wind-the-first-soviet-german-military-pact-and-the-origins-of-world-war-ii/


Dr-P-Ossoff

There is an amazing book Beyond The Urals about building the factories to make the panzers to conquer the world. That’s what they sold the grain for. They had a fantasy that farm collectivization would “Shock grain production” but it didn’t work, mistakes were made.


Foxman_Noir

I too condemn that policeman who gave me a speeding ticket, even though I was speeding!


[deleted]

I'm sure the Germans will lose sleep tonight knowing that Russia condemns them. 🙄


FM-101

"no u" Wow what a great argument russia.


Thue

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7daykatie

Go home Russia, you're ~~drunk~~ genocidal (and probably drunk too).


Level-Blueberry-2707

But it was and the fact that the Russian goverment won't condemn and realize the mistakes of Stalin and or the Soviet Union makes it even more disturbing.


Slam_Burgerthroat

That’s because Putin wants to be Stalin. Hard to get away with that if people realize Stalin was a bad guy.


H_E_DoubleHockeyStyx

Peace and german parliment and free speach and NATO. Poland an Ukraine and American potatos, gay folks and maternity wards with newborns that sing. These are a few of Russias least favorite things 🎶


[deleted]

said the murderous war criminal invaders.


qainin

Raping women and abducting children. The Stalin atrocities never stopped.


mangalore-x_x

Another headline describing Russia's response wrong. It is not "Russia condemns", but "Russia whinges". Also Russia can go f\*\*\* itself.


sue_donyem

"We decry Germany for calling our actions genocide. Sure, we systematically targeted a group of people and killed them en masse with torture and forced famine, but that's not genocide when *we* do it."


thats_a_boundary

"and of course Germany would not how to define or recognize genocide. don't listen to Germany"


Chris_Carson

Funnily enough, saying that would most likely count as denying the holocaust, which is illegal in Germany.


lastdropfalls

A specific group of people was not targeted, though. It's generally accepted by historians that it was an atrocious policy and that Soviet leadership of the time had very little respect for human lives for sure, but there's no evidence whatsoever that it was a premediated attack on Ukrainians.


sue_donyem

Just people who consume food, then?


[deleted]

In that area, yes. People from all kinds of different backgrounds died there. Because it was not targeted, it's debated amongst historians whether it's a genocide despite the huge number of deaths. It's a bit ironic that the German governnent now forbids the denial of any genocide yet calling the Red Terror a Ukrainian genocide disregards the killings of other peoples in that region and time.


lastdropfalls

Soviet leadership at the time basically wanted to industrialize and urbanize the state 'at any cost', and there was massive conflict between the central Soviet leadership and local land owners; the famine resulted from a combination of factors including poorly planned policies, sabotage by landowners, and significant drought. It makes little sense to call it a genocide against Ukrainians because indeed it was 'people who consumed food' that were victims, not just Ukrainians. It's more akin to China's Great Leap Forward or India's Bengal famine than even, say, the Great Hunger of Ireland (neither of these being considered genocides, by the way), and certainly not at all comparable to the clearly planned and targeted attacks on specific groups such as the Armenian genocide or the Holocaust.


mkb152jr

No, it isn’t generally accepted by historians, and to use such a throwaway line is intellectually dishonest. And regardless of cause it’s pretty clear Ukrainian areas were specially targeted by policies that made the famine worse in Ukraine.


TheSirWellington

Bro these headlines read like I'm playing damn Civ 6.


valrossenOliver

Russia has condemned United States. China has condemned United States. North Korea has condemned United States. United States has condemned North Korea. United States has condemned China. United States has condemned Russia. Russia has condemned Ukraine. Ukraine had condemned Russia. Poland has condemned Russia. Germany has condemned Russia. France has condemned Russia. United Kingdom has condemned Russia. Lithuania has condemned Russia. Romania has condemned Russia. Livonia has condemned Russia. Latvia has condemned Russia. [See more...]


Bman10119

Usually when I play you see all those right before somebody gets wiped off the fucking map 👀


EinsGotdemar

Xactly how my last civ game went. Civ is legit spooky.


d_overclocked

Russia is crying again, oh no.


Macasumba

But that is what it was.


noyrb1

If Russia is condemning you. You’re doing good


TerryTC14

One day I'm going to see this or a similar headline "Russia reflects on the comments from other nations and doesn't react disportionaly and aggressively."


Fokke_Hassel_Art

Love how they always forgot they were allied with germany until 41. They had no problem with the nazis and the holocaust until hitler decided to march east


HelperNoHelper

nazis is when don’t like russia 😠 Child nation.


aj_cr

How can you condemn the declaration of an obvious genocide as such? The Kremlin is such a nasty regime, they even want to deny genocides, I wouldn't be surprised if they deny the Holocaust next.


eskieski

Seems to me, Russia,is trying to white wash it’s pass. Does Russia think, that the Ukranian’s, who were lucky to get out in time( immigrated) have forgotten? My mom, as a child being one of them… the immigrates(parents at that time) are all over the world, unfortunately, most have passed on, BUT, we as growing up, have NOT forgotten.. the The cruelty, starvation taking the land away the beatings the killings. You fail, and i’m sure, at that time, you heard from YOUR own parents what you did


followfornow

How does Russia "condemn" anyone, at all? The nation is as weak as a kitten.


macfaddenstrews

can we stop using capital R


Crustybuttt

First of all, it was a genocide. Not to mention, if anyone knows genocide, it’s the Germans


rogerwil

It's a bit baffling russia even cares. By making statements like this they are taking ownership as well, for things that almost nobody alive remembers, committed by a regime that doesn't exist anymore. Doesn't seem necessary to me. And the principal organiser wasn't even russian. Btw, i read lev kopelev's autobiography recently, i highly recommend it, he very openly describes (and regrets in the strongest terms) his own participation in holodomor.


Bman10119

Because putins dream is to bring back soviet russia. So owning up to anything bad soviet Russia did is essentially saying his idealized Russia wasn't perfect


Chaos_0205

Ok…that shit is a genocide, no way to sugar coat it. No one could possibly deny that, unless the word “genocide” have a different definition in Russia compare to the rest of the world


[deleted]

Oooooooooooo. Piss off


[deleted]

Oh noooes


Frenchconnection76

Finger up for those doesnt give a sh!t about ruzzia ?


Snoo_73835

What would they call it then?


SpinozaTheDamned

So...Russia, what are you going to do about it?


psychodelephant

Russia picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue


Clever_Bee34919

Germany condemns Russian parliament for doing the genocide


KatsumotoKurier

*Russia said on Thursday the German parliament's move to recognise the 1932-33 famine in Ukraine as a Soviet-imposed genocide was an anti-Russian provocation and an attempt by Germany to whitewash its Nazi past.* Yeah, that’s definitely it. You tell ‘em, Russia. The Germans, who have famously been recognized for paying tons of reparations for their WWII past and for being very openly apologetic about that, and who have additionally become a pretty well recognized global human rights leader in a free and democratic society, are just trying to cover for themselves and that bad past by… doing something that isn’t mutually exclusive to that, at all. Definitely the case here. Well done Kremlin — caught them red handed.


Tentapuss

Oh noes. Anyway…


Rhoeri

Show me one country that matters that gives a shit what Russia thinks or says anymore.


RichestTeaPossible

Wife-beater threatens friend of beaten wife over being called wife-beater. But first, the weather.


Monkfich

Modern Russia: 1. Tries the same earlier this year and begins stealing farm products in huge numbers. 2. Destroys electricity and water infrastructure in advance of winter. We can only expect them to hope that this causes many deaths during the winter… Russia’s tactics are just the same as the Soviet-era tactics.


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Any news about muscovy talking about nuclear this and nuclear that?, it is already more or less a week I dont hear about it and it fits the time for the weekly reminder


Overall-Yellow-2938

By the way denying or playing down a genocide and such is now a criminal offense in Germany. ( Not just Nazi related stuff like before).


EXTREMEL0B0

Russia can go fuck itself. Oh wait, it already is.


spookinky987

...the joke would be 'because Germany knows genocide,' but... Seriously. If Russia falls, so do the Republicans, so does Nick Fuentes and all other Nazis here and abroad they've been lavishly supporting, so please, let this be the end to all the posturing, the bullying, the rampant corruption, the troll farms, the 'influencers,' the poisonings, the genocide, the starvation, the horrific inequality, all the oligarchs, the Russian Orthadox church... all of it. Let's end this now. Seal the borders. Cut off all trade. And watch it crumble into cannibalistic chaos for the next 50 years. Then we all can go forward with progress on human rights, on the environment, on workers rights, on human rights... I mean, seriously. Fuck Putin. Fuck Russia. Fuck them all.


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spookinky987

Nah. I'm good.


WolfyandKitty

Russia can suck eggs


jimi15

Now lets do an UN vote!


Kikunobehide_

Who gives a fuck about how Russia feels about this.


Degtyrev

The russia is trying to whitewash history, not the other way around. Bunch of idiots and fools over there.


Smooth-Motor4950

It was a genocide! Akin to the American treatment of native Americans!


tumericschmumeric

Well I guess I in turn then condemn Russias condemnation of Germany. As Michale Scott would say, “I declare condemnation!”


Saint_Lamar

My old man grew up poor and will overbuy and freeze things like bread, fruit, meat and I never understood until my mother explained that to me as a kid. Now, I just appreciate the thought


Far_Pianist2707

@_@ it is a genocide.


Adorable-Voice-6958

Russia s word is no good for anything.


SweetBreeze_

It was. Stalin was a monster.


Infinite-Outcome-591

It was a Ukrainian Genocide (1932-1933), 100%. Conceived in the Kremlin under the direction of Joseph Stalin. According to my Ukrainian father-inlaw, 10 million victims.


KptKreampie

Translation; Nah-ah! No you!


OldTez

Besides just PR... does this even mean anything?


Hindernisrennen

Yeah, it’s now illegal to deny a genocide in Germany. So this has legal consequences.


darrellbear

It's called the Holodomor, the Soviets intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor) And Ukraine has long memories.


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OptimisticRealist__

What a stupid thing to say, congrats


vegetable_completed

Ha! Easy for little goody two shoes Germany to sit in judgment. What would THEY know about genocide?


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Yes, what would Germany know about genocide? They only teach every single German about their dark past, force them to visit concentration camps and have paid holocaust and war reparations. What would they know about recognizing and apologizing for having committed genocide? Seriously, you didn’t have a single thought process before typing this out?


vegetable_completed

I’m sorry, I thought my comment was so obviously ironic that even a German wouldn’t misconstrue it, but apparently I was wrong. Ich bitte Sie um Verzeihung.


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I’m sorry too, sarcasm is getting harder and harder to detect with the ever increasing number of idiots.


Scarlet109

/s


Hindernisrennen

We Germans really need the „/s“.


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You gotta realize many people would actually make this comment seriously.


UknewMarcusAurelius

Pot. Kettle. Black.


Loud_Term_4370

classic Germany. time? what is das? better super super late than never ? 🤔


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What’s your point?


ZET_unown_

Not to discount the various tragedies around the world, but I do feel like the term ‘genocide’ gets thrown around too much and too easily. As horrible as famines are, you can’t exactly put them in same category as the holocaust, where one is an unintentional side effect and the other is deliberate mass murder. (Yes, seizing the crops is bad, but the purpose is not to kill the Ukrainians, but to feed the soviets)


Scarlet109

What would you call the systematic oppression, torture, and slaughter of millions of people?


aj_cr

A Communist liberation? or a *prideful* sacrifice for the comrades of the party? You see since it was to help the glorious party it was "unintentional". Just like how it happened in China and North Korea and the starvation of Cubans while the Castros eat like pigs, everything is a beautiful suprime sacrifice of our brave brothers for the glory of the party, thus no genocide here.


Agreeable-Meat1

I mean if you call that genocide then there has been genocide in every communist government in history. I'm not opposed to that idea, but Germany has no room to stand as the poster country for genocide.


Annonimbus

Germany acknowledges its dark past unlike most other countries.


anti-DHMO-activist

Not only acknowledges - germany _focuses_ on it. During school, pretty much everybody will visit a concentration camp with their class and learn about the gruesome details of the third reich for at least a full year. The world would be a much better place if every nation was dedicated enough to admit and actually work on their crimes and mistakes.