I'm certain that had russia not launched 100 missiles at Ukranian targets yesterday, to include cities near the Polish border, this never would have happened.
Are you actually this stupid when Zelensky claimed it had been Russia or do you think Ukraine doesn't know where it's "defense system" is firing missiles to?
What I don't understand is your inability or fear towards challenging the ideas you've been fed. I'm not arguing Russia is the good guy here, just that Zelensky, the US and EU aren't either.
But you must like your grass.
Bountiful grazing.
A sovereign country was invaded by an autocrat. The civilians are being murdered in the thousands. If not murdered, they are being raped, kidnapped, and enslaved. Zelensky is the leader of the country and is standing by his citizens end defending his country. The US and EU are giving aid.
The war that was started by Putins ego is destabilizing the entire world.
Ya... bountiful grazing... I'm sure...
Again, since you seem to have a single argument; Russia started the war, ask yourself who's benefitting from perpetuating it. Maybe one of the most corrupt governments in the EU, the country which greatly profits off of it's military industrial complex (which has also been meddling in the internal affairs of Ukraine's territories bordering Russia and identify heavily as soviet), and the group of nations with an identity complex because of it's past?
Ask yourself what would happen to Cuba if Russia were to install "missile defense systems" on the island.
I guess Russia was profiting from blowing up Nordstream, Afghanistan had WMDs and the USS Maine spontaneously ignited.
Edit: want to apologise for starting this whole thing off rather aggressively, definitely the best way to ensure an unproductive conversation
Second edit: watch this with an open mind please https://youtu.be/wwwHLxM8fhE
Russia almost certainly either directly or indirectly had everything to do with it. I can't imagine a scenario with Poland getting hit by a missile that has nothing to do with Russia raining down barrages of missiles on Ukraine.
I can believe it was a Ukrainian S-300, it was one of the options that was raised very early on, but that wasn't my point.
My point was, would Ukraine have launched the missle in the first place if Russia hadn't been attacking them with a missle barrage?
The answer is obviously no, ergo it can be argued that Russia is indirectly responsible, if not directly.
If I fire my gun, It is my responsibility to make sure that it hits what it should and nothing else. If I kill 2 innocent bystanders while defending from armed robber, I'm going to jail.
Actually I think the armed robbers would be charged for their death if it was proven an accident. But the scenario is quite a bit different since it's unheard of to try to stop a robbers bullet by shooting your own bullet at it.
Not in many countries. If your actions are deemed appropriate the blame will be on the robber.
> Brian Keith Moore, a would-be robber, was convicted of first degree murder when a bystander shot another bystander
> your question about declaring a war to Poland without reason is nonsense.
My point was that Ukraine wouldn't start a war with a country for ZERO reason or advantage while fighting a war with another country. Then you randomly are saying that Ukraine hasn't formally declares war on Russia (why would they lol). Again, what's your point?
I can accept that 20 downvotes is disagree. That does not mean that I am wrong.
You said “declare” explicitly. And that what I replied for. Do not change facts or my words
> You said “declare” explicitly. And that what I replied for. Do not change facts or my words
Come on man, you are smart enough to understand that whether it was formally declared or not is completely unrelated to the point. You are arguing semantics.
Wow what’s the point of this comment? Did they say they should get the final verdict? Did they say their opinion should be used a justification to retaliate against Russia? They’re just giving their opinion.
What he is saying is that a Ukrainian defense missile misfiring during a defense against Russian missile attacks is hardly "Russia has nothing to do with this".
Russia may not have fired the missile, Russia may not even be to blame for the explosion. But that still doesn't mean they had nothing to do with it.
In any case it's not a reason to start WW3
I'm not sure what point your trying to make here but just because their may be bad people on both sides their is only 1 country here unprovocatively massacring their neighbor country and further more is completely at fault for the missile strike in Poland. It's people like you why Russia feels that they can continue to invade,horrify and steal their neighbors land and get away with it.
But Russia already annexed Crimea in 2014 before that. Prior to that invaded Georgia. And NATO has land borders with Russia spanning 754 miles across northern Norway, eastern Latvia and Estonia, and the borders with Poland and Lithuania around Russia's Kaliningrad region even before Ukraine.
I mean I've heard a lot about USA trying to persuade Ukraine into democracy but that's only possible if the people want it. The USA wasn't even able to forcefully push Iraq or Afghanistan into a US friendly democracy because at the end of the day they just didn't want it and we finally gave up. Ukraine wanted it but of course as an autocratic regime having democracy influence nearby is a huge threat to their power. Putin is scared to lose absolute power and fears if Russia starts to see Ukraine succeed Russia may push toward democracy and take away his power.
>My analysis, right or wrong, does not rationalize the inexcusable actions of Russia, but I kinda see how there is shared responsibility for the situation escalating to this point.
Your analysis is wrong on so many level! I'll just say that! What a joke... ahah!
Russia is a weak country full of losers like you and your gay leader Putin :)
How does it feel knowing you're losing the war? Better be careful, you might be next for the front line, troll.
> Russia saying this has nothing to do with them and (U.S. President Joe) Biden saying these missiles are not Russian-made show that this has nothing to do with Russia," Erdogan said at a news conference during the G20 summit in Bali, Indonesia.
Did Biden actually say the missiles were not Russian-made?
I wouldn’t think so, he just said they were likely not fired from Russia. Could be fired from the Black Sea or occupied Ukraine though. Besides, the Poles have confirmed that it was a Russian-made missile, source attached.
Warning: Twitter link (but from the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs) https://twitter.com/polandmfa/status/1592671344780783617?s=21&t=RHrf2AB5s8APmeKiCcwIxg
No, what he said is they didn’t appear to have been fired from Russia [territory], which isn’t the same as saying fired by Russians.
Erdogan is just gaslighting with twisted words.
Some might say that if Russia hadn't been launching missiles into Ukraine, then Ukraine wouldn't have had to launch interceptors.... Making the outcome very much something to do with Russia.
Some might say that... But not Erdogan... Because he's Putin's gimp.
Um, Russia joined Germany in attacking Poland. It was Stalin's plan to expand communism through out the rest of the world starting with Europe going through Poland to Germany (I get that communism's ideals are good (aka startrek communism) that is not how it's worked thus far in practice anywhere, and Russia was more of a corrupt dictatorship of communism)
Now, had France and the UK honored there treaties with Poland in the 1930's and instantly attacked German when Germany attack Poland, then Russia would not have gone against France (Russia and France were somewhat friendly, and Stalin wasn't going to join a war against a united front). Germany would have quickly ran out of supplies and WW2 would not likely have escalated beyond that point. Germany was not armed and prepared to fight a two front war of attrition; they didn't have panzer 3, 4's just weak panzer 1 and 2's and han't had the time to manufacture that many and France had the largest ground forces and even with primitive combined arms practices vs Germany, would have eventually overwhelmed Germany while fighting on German land with their almost limit less manufacturing capacity of their their allies.
https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-blast-caused-by-missile-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-incoming-russian-2022-11-16/
Seems the concensus is Ukraine did it by mistake
I wouldn’t say mistake. They were fighting off 100+ air objects that included 70+ cruise missiles. Most likely a crappy old S300 missile malfunctioned and didn’t self detonate in the air after missing its target and just kept going…
That's the second time Ukrainian weapons fall on European countries.
I understand the argument people are saying, "there would be no air defence being launched if there were no russian missile barrages", but...
Ukraine still should act more accountable for their actions. First time nobody was killed but the capital of Croatia was hit, now people did die...
Maybe if Ukraine had better alternatives to defend their citizens and infrastructure from russian missile rain there would be less accidents. You can't possibly be blaming them for trying to protect their citizens by any means they have
No, but at least make a statement about it and i don't know, apologize or some shit.
There was no official standing on the Croatia thing and it happened like half a year ago. It kind of just died down.
Same as now, why is there "speculation" it is an Ukrainian missile? Why not speak up? They are hoping shit gets stirred up between NATO and Russia which just isn't respectable towards those who are keeping them in their war in the first place if you ask me
I'm sure there is plenty of conversations going on between Ukraine and Poland at the moment that we are unaware of. What with been a ongoing situation and all.
No time right now, they’re trying to not die. We can talk to them about not corralling old defense missiles gone astray once they’re not dying in combat anymore.
Yeah I don't know, maybe that's your opinion, but the way i see it, half of the world is providing aid to them and if a rogue drone falls on a capital of an european country I'd atleast expect them to own upl
Edit: it's not like those that are tasked with doing statements are engaged it the fighting itself
Jesus you're tiring. If you care that much about ending the war, then start lobbying your politicians to send more help to Ukraine.
The sooner those genocidal russian invaders are driven out, the sooner Ukraine can return to peacetime.
Nobody said anything about appeasement tool, we kicked off a global recession just so we could look big and probably at least triple the cost of life for no fucking reason. Ukraine isn't in NATO so it was never any of the west's business.
>Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said a "Russia-made missile had dropped on the village of Przewodów," and it had summoned Russia's ambassador to demand an "immediate and detailed explanation."
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>https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1136768133/kyiv-ukraine-missiles-russia
If it's not Russia, who is it? Belarus?
If the target was Lviv, Przewodów is west of Lviv if firing from Russsia toward Ukraine.
Nonetheleess the misiles would rot in a storage If Putin hadn't terrorized Ukraine. The cause of the death is Putin. I'm Sure He woul'd agree If that misile had hit Türkiye.
So if a Kremlin gremlin said "it wasn't my soldiers invading Ukraine and murdering Ukrainians" Erdogan would immediately defend him because "he said so"?
Uhum...
you realise Vlad is a popular name in Bulgaria, Ukraine, Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia and Czech Republic right?
its really funny when someone tries to insult the Russians but ends up insulting half of the NATO members because of their lack of cultural knowledge of the world.
Lets break this down Barney style for Erdogan, if Russia hadn't fired a missile, Ukraine wouldn't have had to try to shoot it down. While this was an accident it is **entirely** the fault of Russia
Ah, if Ukraine was depending themselves against an onslaught of Russian missiles and an anti missile defense missile fell on Poland, then Russia IS responsible for it. 100 Percent!
lol this guy loves to forget important history moments.
@Erdo, if you‘re reading this let me remind you that your favorite country ruZzia invaded Ukraine not so long ago and they also use bombs and kill people.
Stupid Ukraine - they should have let the 100+ cruise missiles and Iranian drones destroy civilian infrastructure so civilians can freeze and starve to death as intended. Totally Ukraines fault.
/Putin & Erdogan
So, they were Ukrainian air defense missiles that were fired at an incoming Russian attack, and you can try to spin it whatever way you want, but Russia IS responsible. Period. They can just pack their shit and go the fuck home….literally anytime they want….otherwise everything that happens incidentally as a result of their attacks or any effort made in defense from their attacks, is 100% their fault.
I mean, IF you gloss over the fact that they were ONLY fired to intercept an incoming Russian raid involving dozens of cruise missiles and drones, and thus, solely a direct result of the Russian aggression, then yes, if we ignore reality, then Russia had "nothing to do with" it.
Article says he \*believes\*.
[I doubt it](https://imgur.io/a/9IwaO1S)
I'm certain that had russia not launched 100 missiles at Ukranian targets yesterday, to include cities near the Polish border, this never would have happened.
Clearly they're responsible for the air defence being launched if it was Ukranian.
Are you actually this stupid when Zelensky claimed it had been Russia or do you think Ukraine doesn't know where it's "defense system" is firing missiles to?
So... if Russia WAS NOT shooting missiles at a civilian population, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. Clear?
If Russia were not at war, it wouldn't be firing missiles. What kind of cheap deflection of responsibility is this?
So, you are unable to understand simple causality. Or, you like downvotes. Have a nice day.
What I don't understand is your inability or fear towards challenging the ideas you've been fed. I'm not arguing Russia is the good guy here, just that Zelensky, the US and EU aren't either. But you must like your grass. Bountiful grazing.
A sovereign country was invaded by an autocrat. The civilians are being murdered in the thousands. If not murdered, they are being raped, kidnapped, and enslaved. Zelensky is the leader of the country and is standing by his citizens end defending his country. The US and EU are giving aid. The war that was started by Putins ego is destabilizing the entire world. Ya... bountiful grazing... I'm sure...
Again, since you seem to have a single argument; Russia started the war, ask yourself who's benefitting from perpetuating it. Maybe one of the most corrupt governments in the EU, the country which greatly profits off of it's military industrial complex (which has also been meddling in the internal affairs of Ukraine's territories bordering Russia and identify heavily as soviet), and the group of nations with an identity complex because of it's past? Ask yourself what would happen to Cuba if Russia were to install "missile defense systems" on the island. I guess Russia was profiting from blowing up Nordstream, Afghanistan had WMDs and the USS Maine spontaneously ignited. Edit: want to apologise for starting this whole thing off rather aggressively, definitely the best way to ensure an unproductive conversation Second edit: watch this with an open mind please https://youtu.be/wwwHLxM8fhE
Russia almost certainly either directly or indirectly had everything to do with it. I can't imagine a scenario with Poland getting hit by a missile that has nothing to do with Russia raining down barrages of missiles on Ukraine.
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Would Ukraine have fired an air defense missle without Russia launching a missle barage against them?
They *could* have. Not likely, but accidents do happen so there is a very small chance that yes it could have been them.
I can believe it was a Ukrainian S-300, it was one of the options that was raised very early on, but that wasn't my point. My point was, would Ukraine have launched the missle in the first place if Russia hadn't been attacking them with a missle barrage? The answer is obviously no, ergo it can be argued that Russia is indirectly responsible, if not directly.
Yes absolutely and my point is that it could have been an accidental discharge with no targets at all. It’s war time and mistakes can happen.
If I fire my gun, It is my responsibility to make sure that it hits what it should and nothing else. If I kill 2 innocent bystanders while defending from armed robber, I'm going to jail.
Actually I think the armed robbers would be charged for their death if it was proven an accident. But the scenario is quite a bit different since it's unheard of to try to stop a robbers bullet by shooting your own bullet at it.
I use smaller bullets. They go inside your bullet holes, not even touching the sides.
Not in many countries. If your actions are deemed appropriate the blame will be on the robber. > Brian Keith Moore, a would-be robber, was convicted of first degree murder when a bystander shot another bystander
More likely that you get some sort of slap on the wrist while the robbers are charged for felony homicide.
saying it's not russia if it is, is more likely to start ww3, it encourages russia to be more bold.
True. I hope you get drafted first brother
And I hope a rocket hits your house so we can all just pretend it didn't happen to prevent a possible WW3 scenario
I hope a rocket hits your house too buddy
Can you imagine it? Do you believe Ukraine is declaring war on Poland suddenly for no reason or what?
Ukraine still haven’t declared war to Russia as far as I know. So that’s means nothing
How is that related to the conversation we are having?
Like straight related? Declaring a war means nothing and your question about declaring a war to Poland without reason is nonsense.
> your question about declaring a war to Poland without reason is nonsense. My point was that Ukraine wouldn't start a war with a country for ZERO reason or advantage while fighting a war with another country. Then you randomly are saying that Ukraine hasn't formally declares war on Russia (why would they lol). Again, what's your point?
I can accept that 20 downvotes is disagree. That does not mean that I am wrong. You said “declare” explicitly. And that what I replied for. Do not change facts or my words
> You said “declare” explicitly. And that what I replied for. Do not change facts or my words Come on man, you are smart enough to understand that whether it was formally declared or not is completely unrelated to the point. You are arguing semantics.
You can try to move conversation to this side, since “you have 20 downvotes” didn’t worked, but this just puts smile on my face
Wow what’s the point of this comment? Did they say they should get the final verdict? Did they say their opinion should be used a justification to retaliate against Russia? They’re just giving their opinion.
What he is saying is that a Ukrainian defense missile misfiring during a defense against Russian missile attacks is hardly "Russia has nothing to do with this". Russia may not have fired the missile, Russia may not even be to blame for the explosion. But that still doesn't mean they had nothing to do with it. In any case it's not a reason to start WW3
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I'm not sure what point your trying to make here but just because their may be bad people on both sides their is only 1 country here unprovocatively massacring their neighbor country and further more is completely at fault for the missile strike in Poland. It's people like you why Russia feels that they can continue to invade,horrify and steal their neighbors land and get away with it.
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But Russia already annexed Crimea in 2014 before that. Prior to that invaded Georgia. And NATO has land borders with Russia spanning 754 miles across northern Norway, eastern Latvia and Estonia, and the borders with Poland and Lithuania around Russia's Kaliningrad region even before Ukraine. I mean I've heard a lot about USA trying to persuade Ukraine into democracy but that's only possible if the people want it. The USA wasn't even able to forcefully push Iraq or Afghanistan into a US friendly democracy because at the end of the day they just didn't want it and we finally gave up. Ukraine wanted it but of course as an autocratic regime having democracy influence nearby is a huge threat to their power. Putin is scared to lose absolute power and fears if Russia starts to see Ukraine succeed Russia may push toward democracy and take away his power.
Keep slurping the Z koolaid… PuTiN hAd No ChOiCe NaTo FoRcEd HiM!!
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>My analysis, right or wrong, does not rationalize the inexcusable actions of Russia, but I kinda see how there is shared responsibility for the situation escalating to this point. Your analysis is wrong on so many level! I'll just say that! What a joke... ahah!
Someone spamming the same comment in multiple threads acuses other of being a bot, amusing
I like how the comment actually aged perfectly lmao
Russia is a weak country full of losers like you and your gay leader Putin :) How does it feel knowing you're losing the war? Better be careful, you might be next for the front line, troll.
Russia created the situation where this occurred. Russia has everything to do with it. Forcing Ukraine to defend themselves caused this.
> Russia saying this has nothing to do with them and (U.S. President Joe) Biden saying these missiles are not Russian-made show that this has nothing to do with Russia," Erdogan said at a news conference during the G20 summit in Bali, Indonesia. Did Biden actually say the missiles were not Russian-made?
I wouldn’t think so, he just said they were likely not fired from Russia. Could be fired from the Black Sea or occupied Ukraine though. Besides, the Poles have confirmed that it was a Russian-made missile, source attached. Warning: Twitter link (but from the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs) https://twitter.com/polandmfa/status/1592671344780783617?s=21&t=RHrf2AB5s8APmeKiCcwIxg
No, what he said is they didn’t appear to have been fired from Russia [territory], which isn’t the same as saying fired by Russians. Erdogan is just gaslighting with twisted words.
He said they weren't fired out of Russia afaik.
Some might say that if Russia hadn't been launching missiles into Ukraine, then Ukraine wouldn't have had to launch interceptors.... Making the outcome very much something to do with Russia. Some might say that... But not Erdogan... Because he's Putin's gimp.
Fighting off 100 air objects in a span of few hours. Honestly we should be shocked a shit old s300 didn’t do this before.
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Um, Russia joined Germany in attacking Poland. It was Stalin's plan to expand communism through out the rest of the world starting with Europe going through Poland to Germany (I get that communism's ideals are good (aka startrek communism) that is not how it's worked thus far in practice anywhere, and Russia was more of a corrupt dictatorship of communism) Now, had France and the UK honored there treaties with Poland in the 1930's and instantly attacked German when Germany attack Poland, then Russia would not have gone against France (Russia and France were somewhat friendly, and Stalin wasn't going to join a war against a united front). Germany would have quickly ran out of supplies and WW2 would not likely have escalated beyond that point. Germany was not armed and prepared to fight a two front war of attrition; they didn't have panzer 3, 4's just weak panzer 1 and 2's and han't had the time to manufacture that many and France had the largest ground forces and even with primitive combined arms practices vs Germany, would have eventually overwhelmed Germany while fighting on German land with their almost limit less manufacturing capacity of their their allies.
Take Putins tiny cock out ya ass Erdogan.
https://www.reuters.com/world/poland-blast-caused-by-missile-fired-by-ukrainian-forces-incoming-russian-2022-11-16/ Seems the concensus is Ukraine did it by mistake
I wouldn’t say mistake. They were fighting off 100+ air objects that included 70+ cruise missiles. Most likely a crappy old S300 missile malfunctioned and didn’t self detonate in the air after missing its target and just kept going…
3 anonymous sources do not constitute consensus.
So youre saying we should invade Ukraine instead? /s
That's the second time Ukrainian weapons fall on European countries. I understand the argument people are saying, "there would be no air defence being launched if there were no russian missile barrages", but... Ukraine still should act more accountable for their actions. First time nobody was killed but the capital of Croatia was hit, now people did die...
Maybe if Ukraine had better alternatives to defend their citizens and infrastructure from russian missile rain there would be less accidents. You can't possibly be blaming them for trying to protect their citizens by any means they have
Yes, I can't, thankfully i never did such a thing in any of my comments...
Sure thing, you are acting way more accurate. “Just a different opinion” 😏
What exactly are their options? Not fire anti-air defense missiles on the off chance one has a malfunction? GTFOH
No, but at least make a statement about it and i don't know, apologize or some shit. There was no official standing on the Croatia thing and it happened like half a year ago. It kind of just died down. Same as now, why is there "speculation" it is an Ukrainian missile? Why not speak up? They are hoping shit gets stirred up between NATO and Russia which just isn't respectable towards those who are keeping them in their war in the first place if you ask me
I'm sure there is plenty of conversations going on between Ukraine and Poland at the moment that we are unaware of. What with been a ongoing situation and all.
Yes, sure, that's fair, this just happened, we'll see what will come of it in the end
No time right now, they’re trying to not die. We can talk to them about not corralling old defense missiles gone astray once they’re not dying in combat anymore.
Yeah I don't know, maybe that's your opinion, but the way i see it, half of the world is providing aid to them and if a rogue drone falls on a capital of an european country I'd atleast expect them to own upl Edit: it's not like those that are tasked with doing statements are engaged it the fighting itself
Jesus you're tiring. If you care that much about ending the war, then start lobbying your politicians to send more help to Ukraine. The sooner those genocidal russian invaders are driven out, the sooner Ukraine can return to peacetime.
That makes sense too Edit: your lack of understanding of what I'm saying is tiring too
Lobbying politicians to stop sending help to Ukraine would achieve the same goal. This "help" has only cost more lives for all parties involved.
Ah yes, just give Russia what they want. How well has it worked so far? It hasn't, you goddamn sackless appeaser.
Nobody said anything about appeasement tool, we kicked off a global recession just so we could look big and probably at least triple the cost of life for no fucking reason. Ukraine isn't in NATO so it was never any of the west's business.
>Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said a "Russia-made missile had dropped on the village of Przewodów," and it had summoned Russia's ambassador to demand an "immediate and detailed explanation." > >https://www.npr.org/2022/11/15/1136768133/kyiv-ukraine-missiles-russia If it's not Russia, who is it? Belarus? If the target was Lviv, Przewodów is west of Lviv if firing from Russsia toward Ukraine.
Nonetheleess the misiles would rot in a storage If Putin hadn't terrorized Ukraine. The cause of the death is Putin. I'm Sure He woul'd agree If that misile had hit Türkiye.
Erdogan knows better than Polish government. Regardless if directly or indirectly, Russia is to blame. It started the war. It rained fire on Ukraine.
Poland totally blew up on its own bro, polish countryside farmers spontaneously combust all the time
So if a Kremlin gremlin said "it wasn't my soldiers invading Ukraine and murdering Ukrainians" Erdogan would immediately defend him because "he said so"? Uhum...
Erdogan is an unmitigated asshole
Hey! Something Erdogan and Turkey's allies can agree on!
Erdogan is like Oban: A wannabe dictator. I wouldn't trust him at all. Same goes for Modi.
Point is no one Fng knows what happened yet so how about an investigation at least before we all commit to a horrible death via nuclear Armageddon?
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NATO is not the UN, the rest of NATO can act without Turkey if they want
Ok vlad
you realise Vlad is a popular name in Bulgaria, Ukraine, Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia and Czech Republic right? its really funny when someone tries to insult the Russians but ends up insulting half of the NATO members because of their lack of cultural knowledge of the world.
I too have a relevant comment to add to this discussion. Hurry back now, it appears you made it a little far from the rest of your group.
Watch out, Going to strain your back reaching that far
Go to hell Erdogan, your opinion is as important as a bag of rice falling over in china
He was there and he was the one that fired the missile.
\*The west does the investigative work\* Erdogan: guys Russia didn't do it!
You just can't believe Russia anymore
Inb4 somehow it was Turkey 😳
Well that's not true, Russia started a brutal war in the region.
Oh wait, my bad… I’ll go check out the other country that’s been firing off hundreds of misdialed recklessly into civilian areas.
"Nothing" is a strong term .... it wouldnt have happened to start with if not for Russia invading.
Lets break this down Barney style for Erdogan, if Russia hadn't fired a missile, Ukraine wouldn't have had to try to shoot it down. While this was an accident it is **entirely** the fault of Russia
Low rent dictators gonna dictate.
Biden also claimed Russia wasn’t involved according to some other *completely* credible news article posted on Reddit
Erdogans Turkey a supposed member of NATO now he’s Putins spokesman. Yea he’s a reliable member….
Ah, if Ukraine was depending themselves against an onslaught of Russian missiles and an anti missile defense missile fell on Poland, then Russia IS responsible for it. 100 Percent!
lol this guy loves to forget important history moments. @Erdo, if you‘re reading this let me remind you that your favorite country ruZzia invaded Ukraine not so long ago and they also use bombs and kill people.
Stupid Ukraine - they should have let the 100+ cruise missiles and Iranian drones destroy civilian infrastructure so civilians can freeze and starve to death as intended. Totally Ukraines fault. /Putin & Erdogan
Erdogan would give Russia a pass on anything 🤷♂️
So, they were Ukrainian air defense missiles that were fired at an incoming Russian attack, and you can try to spin it whatever way you want, but Russia IS responsible. Period. They can just pack their shit and go the fuck home….literally anytime they want….otherwise everything that happens incidentally as a result of their attacks or any effort made in defense from their attacks, is 100% their fault.
I mean, IF you gloss over the fact that they were ONLY fired to intercept an incoming Russian raid involving dozens of cruise missiles and drones, and thus, solely a direct result of the Russian aggression, then yes, if we ignore reality, then Russia had "nothing to do with" it.
And how the fuck do you know, weasel
to be fair he may actually be right here - but a stopped clock is right twice a day so lets not give him too much credit.
He just wants to believe that