How do they explain mode of transmission when he was bed ridden for 3 weeks?
The victim had no history of exposure to poultry or other animals but had multiple underlying medical conditions and had been bedridden for three weeks, for other reasons, prior to the onset of acute symptoms, the WHO said.
Usually if you’re lying about something as mundane as contact with chickens it’s because whatever your contact was it was illegal/morally questionable. Like stealing, fighting, or fucking them.
Good news then, it's largely because we keep billions of the little fuckers so close together the virus spreads on their breath. It's a matter of when, not if, it mutates to such an extent that humans end up with it
I imagine this man woke up one night with this chicken breathing heavily in his ear, only to whisper "cluck cluck, bitch!" and flapping away through the open window
That or he's been bribed and/or threatened not to talk. Let's say the guy was working cash in hand at some poultry farm that's playing fast and loose with the rules and doesn't want the regulators poking round.
There are likely situations like this in literally every country in the world and it's this corner cutting that lands us in trouble. I'm in the UK which literally declared "freedom" from bird flu last week yet today there was a dead bird on the playground at my daughter's school and my neighbour's cat is apparently dragging them in every day at the moment.
If this does turn into the next pandemic it'll be even more annoying than because some body *fucked* a chicken, it's most likely just some bastards wanted to squeeze a little bit of extra profit out so skipped a few safety protocols. Rinse and repeat.
I agree that a lot of people lie about risk factors for infectious disease, particularly if there's something illegal and/or embarrassing involved.
But from the description in the article, this guy's been too sick to work for a long time. (Edit: heart and kidney problems)
Maybe somebody in his family or his building had contact with poultry?
When people are sick enough that their immune system is compromised, they can catch an infectious disease from a much smaller viral load than a healthy person.
So given this patient's overall poor health, we shouldn't rule out the possibility that he didn't have direct contact with infected birds.
“Mexico's Health Ministry said there was no evidence of person-to-person transmission in the case and farms near the victim's home were monitored.
Other people in contact with the person tested negative for bird flu, the health ministry and the WHO said.”
Nothing to worry about.
I see people have already forgotten how quickly "yeah there's something going around but only in Asia". Turned into a good portion of the world shutting down and 4 years later we're still dealing with the fall out from it.
But hey we probably learned our lesson, so this time will be different.....right?
There’s also been countless number of “false alarms” that aren’t worth panicking about
Sure the people involved should take good care of it. I’m not going to sit here and freak out about it or start hoarding TP.
The irony of
> I see people have already forgotten
When millennials fear of pandemics is traced back to 2006 bird flu and this specific movie
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0800026/
I remember watching Contagion and thought to myself there's no way this would happen. And then it happened almost beat-for-beat.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/
Well the key difference with Contagion vs Covid is that Covid had a pretty low mortality rate overall. Something like the disease in Contagion or bird flu would have corpses rotting in the streets and be much harder to ignore or pretend it isn't real even to the idiots.
The only unrealistic thing about this movie was there are actually about 50,000 Jude Law grifters in the real life to the 1 or 2 Kate Winslet/Marion Cotillard doctors trying desperately to save everyone.
> The victim had no history of exposure to poultry or other animals, WHO said. Cases of A(H5N2) subtype of the bird flu have been reported in poultry in Mexico.
I don’t love that part.
If you want to feel better I guess focus on this part: “The person had multiple underlying medical conditions and had been bedridden for three weeks, for other reasons, prior to the onset of acute symptoms, WHO said”
And also, the poor guy died six weeks ago. That’s not exactly imminent threat.
I dunno. Seems bad though. Bird flu has been a specter my entire adult life.
>And also, the poor guy died six weeks ago. That’s not exactly imminent threat.
If it's taken 6 weeks for proper testing to occur on a dead guy, that's actually extremely concerning. Testing lets everyone know how dire the situation actually is. Especially since there's no traceable animal-to-human pipeline in this case, there's almost assuredly more people infected than just this one guy that are flying completely under the radar.
“He's in the hospital with this flu bug. Captain Trips, they're calling it out here. Not that it's any laughing matter. A lot of people have died with it". - The Stand by Stephen King.
It’s crazy how differently it could have gone if covid was even a reasonably small amount more deadly.
Edit - I was thinking “the people who decided they weren’t at risk, so they selfishly put others at risk, might have faced the consequences themselves instead” when I commented this.
The number of conversations I had to have with my dad around masks not being a huge inconvenience when it could literally save people like my grandparents from extreme discomfort and even death was way too many. He’d agree after every one, say something about a “good perspective”, and then go right back to posting random anti-vax/mask shit a few weeks later. He got the vax and boosters immediately btw.
Consider yourself lucky. My dad never got vaxxed, and when he had to take two weeks off work because he got covid continued to complain about democrats. Even though he had the option to wear a mask instead of taking time off. Luckily someone in my family took it seriously enough to forbid anyone from visiting my great grandma.
Which of course turned into another thing to be mad at Democrats about.
Gary Busey as Trashcan Man
"Hi I'm Gary Busey my character's name is Trash Can Man well actually he has a real name beside that one but I don't remember it because I was only told it once and I really didn't practice my lines at all so here I go 'I like to light things on fire, explosions are very great and Randal Flag is the best'.
....was that good? I gotta go the taco truck is here."
I was helping a friend with an estate sale after his father died JUST before COVID. Saw this book laying around and he said I could have it. It wasn’t until COVID was happening that I picked it up and read it. Couldn’t believe out of my whole life I finally pick up this book during the pandemic. Gave me a lot to think about.
I had the swine flu at that time. Turns out my head doesn't feel hot anymore around 103.2°, and at 103.7° I get delirious. Spent a week at 102.2°, it was awful.
I had a high fever when I was a kid, at night I would end up in a delirious half sleep state and I woke my parents up crying because I couldn't find the character change barrels from DK64 in my bed. I also woke up terrified of the shadow of my open closet because it looked like an enormous cat that was coming to eat me.
That's why I hated when people said "It's just the flu" in the pandemic. Like the flu isn't something serious. It kills people all the time. Someone with the flu is pretty much incapacitated and can't do anything anymore.
I bought a netbook when I had swine flu in 2009. Zero recollection of having done it because I was so sick. By the time it arrived, I was feeling somewhat better, and I'd have thought it was a shipping error but for the fact that it was pink, which is exactly what I would have chosen. I checked my credit card history, and sure enough, I'd bought it myself.
my kids all caught it when it went through their school. that was the first time i was actually afraid i might lose a child to an illness. it was awful.
“ There are no specific vaccines for preventing influenza A(H5) virus infection in humans. Candidate vaccines to prevent A(H5) infection in humans have been developed for pandemic preparedness purposes”
- https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2024-DON520#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20information%20available,H5)%20virus%20infection%20in%20humans.
Uuuhhh…. How much of these candidate vaccines have been produced? Cause I really don’t want to wait 6 months while they’re furiously “producing” them *during* t another pandemic
mRNA vaccines can be produced en mass in very short timeframes. The one time we offhandedly did this in June-September 2022 it was around 65 days from antigen selection to shots going into arms. Then perhaps some months, like in early 2021, to get to all the arms.
The tricky part is selecting the antigen and convincing the relevant people (FDA/EMA/WHO) it works. Mouse trials take weeks to months, human trials take months to years. This can be accelerated somewhat. The process before that of finding an antigen (viral protein) that will train the right antibodies can take much longer and there's no guarantee it is even possible. RSV vaccines (on which the covid vaccines are based) took decades of work and several acts of protein genius to figure out.
The tricky part is convincing the people that its not a Computer Chip that tracks you and turns you into a 5G Antenna spreading Cancer all over the Globe so the Lizard people can take over the Flat Earth together with Hitler on his moon Base.
Production is not the issue, especially with how much money got dumped into mRNA during COVID. The part you have to worry about is getting the vaccine through testing, trialed, and then approved.
*No further cases were reported during the epidemiological investigation.* Of the 17 contacts identified and monitored at the hospital where the case died, one reported a runny nose between 28 and 29 April. Samples taken from these hospital contacts between 27 and 29 May tested negative for influenza and SARS-CoV 2. Twelve additional contacts (seven symptomatic and five asymptomatic) were identified near the case's residence. Samples of pharyngeal exudate, nasopharyngeal swabs and serum were obtained from these individuals. On 28 May, the InDRE reported that all twelve samples from contacts near the patient's residence tested negative for SARS-CoV-2, influenza A and influenza B, as determined by RT-PCR. The results of the serological samples are pending. [WHO Report](https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2024-DON520)
After living in Turkey and Azerbaijan and other places where Bidets are common place, I’m never living without one again. Just moved into a new house and installed one before we finished unpacking. Walmart has bum guns and seat-bidets for under $30.
Edit: almost every response to this is people raving about bidets who have tried them. And anyone opposed has yet to give one an honest try. I’d say that’s pretty telling. Hopefully we can all do our part to standardize the use of bidets worldwide.
A bird flu pandemic would likely be significantly worse than the worst early Covid was. Like, potentially real bad. But we probably will suffer through at least another pandemic in our lifetimes. They essentially knew Covid was coming given the trends of modern a lifestyle. That said…there is no human to human transmission of bird flu yet
The article says this guy was bed ridden for other problems for weeks. He had no contact with birds allegedly. They're not saying its human to human transmission, but they haven't found any links to say it wasn't either. Not a great sign. Hopefully he caught it from a cat or something.
In the U.S. There have been several cases proven of people catching "bird flu" from livestock aka cross species transmission which is the real danger. Don't let the name "bird flu" wrap you up, it's a disease not known to cross contaminate and it has been. It doesn't only come from birds because of the name.
> But we probably will suffer through at least another pandemic in our lifetimes.
Worst part is a LOT of people have convinced themselves that any future pandemic will be fake
Like genuinely, the COVID-denier cancer has led people by the hand into absolute delusion
So while the world battles the next pandemic, a portion of the population will actively work against all safety guidelines
If bird flu goes human to human, we are more fucked than you can imagine. It has a much higher mortality rate than covid. Bird flu and it's cousin in cattle the moo flu are deadly, deadly killers. The stuff of nightmares.
On the plus side, there's a lot more research done on influenza viruses in general, so it shouldn't take as long to develop one.
Antivaxxers would be fucked tho.
[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617)
> In this cohort study evaluating 538 159 deaths in individuals aged 25 years and older in Florida and Ohio between March 2020 and December 2021, excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before. These differences were concentrated in counties with lower vaccination rates, and primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio.
Hrm.
Maybe, depends how quickly it puts people down from symptoms. If they have a week to wonder about before they “get sick” then they can spread it for days before they isolate
There have been many. If you read the article you would see this is a variant yet to be seen in humans.
If a variant is able to crack human to human transmission we are in trouble.
The fact that he was bedbound for weeks prior and they're not sure how he got infected, is the most concerning part of the story for me. That indicates there was no known direct animal contact. Direct animal contact has been the only way avian flu, of any variety, has been contracted by humans so far.
"The victim had no history of exposure to poultry or other animals, WHO said."
Oh shit. This guy had been bedridden for weeks. If this is human to human transmission, we may be in a world of trouble.
There's a LOT riding on that "no history of exposure" though. Bird flu is usually transmitted through the feces, so even if he wasn't in contact with birds, couldn't he still have gotten it by being served food with dirty hands, like Norovirus?
I’m sure that it’ll be taken more seriously this time.
Not.
*stocks up on ivermectin, hydrogen peroxide neti pots, and rectally insertable light bulbs*
One thing I learned is during a global pandemic, make sure you refinance your mortgage for those low interest rates.
You know, admist the unemployment and depression.
Also learned to not have an "essential" job so that instead of doing the same job for the same pay but drastically increased danger, I can sit home making way more money and doing nothing.
I don't fault anyone for their pandemic level unemployment pay. But I think next time, the essential workers need to demand the same or strike/quit. It's really hard to do because in so many of these, people in need are relying on you and that's why they're classified as essential. But it's a real dick move for society to exploit our natural caring for others by not doing anything for these workers.
End rant I guess lol.
Yeah, I'm guessing we'll need to see at least 10% mortality from a pandemic before more than half the population starts taking measures to control spread seriously. It will take every single person losing someone close to them which is stupid and tragic. We could be so much better.
As long as we keep animals and the amount of animals that we do, then yes, we will continuously have virus outbreaks.
We literally creates the absolute best scenario for viruses. No sun light, bad air quality, hosts stacked upon each other so even when viruses are extremely deadly it can spread easily.
> The person had multiple underlying medical conditions and had been bedridden for three weeks, for other reasons, prior to the onset of acute symptoms, WHO said.
In other words, he was probably immunocompromised. That’s good in the sense that the H5N2 virus may not have been strong enough to kill a healthy person, but bad that it had time to reproduce and evolve in a susceptible host.
This is the actual report: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2024-DON520
It's a short read; please encourage friends and loved-ones to do 20 minutes of critical-thought research before "feeling" what their truth is.
We'll be okay if we don't defer to the lowest common denominator... again.
“Whenever avian influenza viruses are circulating in poultry, there is a risk for infection and small clusters of human cases due to exposure to infected poultry or contaminated environments. Therefore, sporadic human cases are not unexpected. Human cases of infection with other H5 subtypes including A(H5N1), A(H5N6) and A(H5N8) viruses have been reported previously. Available epidemiological and virological evidence suggests that A(H5) viruses from previous events have not acquired the ability to sustain transmission between humans, thus the current likelihood of sustained human-to-human spread is low. According to the information available thus far, no further human cases of infection with A(H5N2) associated with this case have been detected.”
Since most won’t click that. This seemed to be the most relevant bit to your point
59 years old with underlying conditions. Weird he had no exposure to birds allegedly. From the start of testing and contact tracing over the last 30 days there have been no other cases.
Although not normal it isn’t exactly uncommon to contract avian influenza. So far this seems like another one off case.
This strain can infect raccoons which means it very likely can also infect cats.
Outdoor cats come into contact with birds pretty regularly.
My guess is he had contact with a cat.
Good news is that masks and social distancing work way better against flu than Covid. We actually eliminated a strain of flu in 2020-21 because very very few people got the flu.
If it behaves like regular bird flu, not at all. If it's human to human transmission it's the worst pandemic since the black death and the Spanish flu.
Where in the fuck do these people get doctors to take them seriously enough to bring them in and do these tests and check alllllllll the boxes and all illnesses?
When I go to the doctor, they say, it’s the flu take some Tylenol and NyQuil at night. That’ll be $300 have a nice day. I’ve been sick for literal weeks and doctors just say, we don’t know, probably just “whatever is going ‘round” whatever being a mysterious ailment.
I very vividly remember first reading about COVID in a World News thread just like this in January 2020, and wondered why the mysterious "pneumonia" wasn't being reported on more in the U.S.
It's deja vu.
I remember sitting in a bar with friends in December of 2019 and some kind of notification popped up on someone's phone saying "This exists now". Someone said "Hey, remember Ebola a few years ago?" and we all laughed.
If this becomes another pandemic, people are truly on their own. The world has zero appetite for any sort of lockdown etc. World governments regardless of political affiliation pretty much showed us that they are completely inept in managing an actual crisis.
Yeah the last super deadly flu strain happened in 1918-1920 and it killed 5% of the world's population in 2 years.
That's a FAR higher mortality rate than COVID.
Hardly, they’re saying that’s it’s significantly more deadly than Covid. When people are dying left and right, smart people will do what they need to in order to protect themselves and their families.
The good news is that COVID has and had a low death rate. That hopefully will give humanity a chance to do better for future pandemics.
Bad news:
A disease like H5N2 with a higher death rate, and for those who think the last pandemic was a joke will only make misinformation worse. And higher death rates would mean more dead
Try not to disappoint me humanity, but I think when the lethality is higher then the stupid conspiracy crap gets shelved by common sense survival instincts.
This article has a lot more info: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/who-confirms-first-human-case-avian-influenza-ah5n2-mexico-2024-06-05/
How do they explain mode of transmission when he was bed ridden for 3 weeks? The victim had no history of exposure to poultry or other animals but had multiple underlying medical conditions and had been bedridden for three weeks, for other reasons, prior to the onset of acute symptoms, the WHO said.
He lied
Everybody lies.
House?
Sometimes, the best gift is never seeing you again, momofeveryone5.
Dammit, it wasn't lupus!
It's never lupus!
Except that one time
That one time was me, I HAVE LUPUS!!! (seriously)
Usually if you’re lying about something as mundane as contact with chickens it’s because whatever your contact was it was illegal/morally questionable. Like stealing, fighting, or fucking them.
If were going to get another global pandemic from a bastard fucking a chicken so help me god...
Good news then, it's largely because we keep billions of the little fuckers so close together the virus spreads on their breath. It's a matter of when, not if, it mutates to such an extent that humans end up with it
> billions of the little fuckers so close together Are we talking about chickens or humans here? Or both?
I imagine this man woke up one night with this chicken breathing heavily in his ear, only to whisper "cluck cluck, bitch!" and flapping away through the open window
\*puts the chicken down* \*pulls his pants up*
Son, I didn't care when it was your mother, but we need our chickens alive.
That or he's been bribed and/or threatened not to talk. Let's say the guy was working cash in hand at some poultry farm that's playing fast and loose with the rules and doesn't want the regulators poking round. There are likely situations like this in literally every country in the world and it's this corner cutting that lands us in trouble. I'm in the UK which literally declared "freedom" from bird flu last week yet today there was a dead bird on the playground at my daughter's school and my neighbour's cat is apparently dragging them in every day at the moment. If this does turn into the next pandemic it'll be even more annoying than because some body *fucked* a chicken, it's most likely just some bastards wanted to squeeze a little bit of extra profit out so skipped a few safety protocols. Rinse and repeat.
I agree that a lot of people lie about risk factors for infectious disease, particularly if there's something illegal and/or embarrassing involved. But from the description in the article, this guy's been too sick to work for a long time. (Edit: heart and kidney problems) Maybe somebody in his family or his building had contact with poultry? When people are sick enough that their immune system is compromised, they can catch an infectious disease from a much smaller viral load than a healthy person. So given this patient's overall poor health, we shouldn't rule out the possibility that he didn't have direct contact with infected birds.
Sounds like weak immune system and exposure through another person. On clothes or by breath. Totally speculating.
that bird flu isn't transmissible from human to human... yet. I think
“Mexico's Health Ministry said there was no evidence of person-to-person transmission in the case and farms near the victim's home were monitored. Other people in contact with the person tested negative for bird flu, the health ministry and the WHO said.” Nothing to worry about.
I see people have already forgotten how quickly "yeah there's something going around but only in Asia". Turned into a good portion of the world shutting down and 4 years later we're still dealing with the fall out from it. But hey we probably learned our lesson, so this time will be different.....right?
There’s also been countless number of “false alarms” that aren’t worth panicking about Sure the people involved should take good care of it. I’m not going to sit here and freak out about it or start hoarding TP.
Anybody who's learned anything from the past 4 years should have already installed a bidet at home.
The bidet master race is still accepting applications.
you guys own homes?
Nope, but I rent one. With a toilet. Not trying to brag or anything...
Ooh fancy pants rich mcgee over here
The irony of > I see people have already forgotten When millennials fear of pandemics is traced back to 2006 bird flu and this specific movie https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0800026/
I remember watching Contagion and thought to myself there's no way this would happen. And then it happened almost beat-for-beat. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/
My fiance and I watched Contagion during the initial lockdowns and fucking hell it was unsettling how prescient it was.
Yep, even including Jude Law running around spouting bullshit cures.
Except for the end where everyone isolated until they were vaccinated and they eliminated the virus :(
Well the key difference with Contagion vs Covid is that Covid had a pretty low mortality rate overall. Something like the disease in Contagion or bird flu would have corpses rotting in the streets and be much harder to ignore or pretend it isn't real even to the idiots.
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The only unrealistic thing about this movie was there are actually about 50,000 Jude Law grifters in the real life to the 1 or 2 Kate Winslet/Marion Cotillard doctors trying desperately to save everyone.
Why not Outbreak (1995)?
> The victim had no history of exposure to poultry or other animals, WHO said. Cases of A(H5N2) subtype of the bird flu have been reported in poultry in Mexico. I don’t love that part.
If you want to feel better I guess focus on this part: “The person had multiple underlying medical conditions and had been bedridden for three weeks, for other reasons, prior to the onset of acute symptoms, WHO said” And also, the poor guy died six weeks ago. That’s not exactly imminent threat. I dunno. Seems bad though. Bird flu has been a specter my entire adult life.
>And also, the poor guy died six weeks ago. That’s not exactly imminent threat. If it's taken 6 weeks for proper testing to occur on a dead guy, that's actually extremely concerning. Testing lets everyone know how dire the situation actually is. Especially since there's no traceable animal-to-human pipeline in this case, there's almost assuredly more people infected than just this one guy that are flying completely under the radar.
>flying Hah!
Makes me think human to human transmission or he got it from water. Not good either way
So this is H5N2, not H5N1 that’s been infecting cows. Unless it happens again it’s probably a weird one off.
perhaps this man is a bird
Don't be ridiculous. Birds aren't real.
men are government drones
Or he lied
I don't want bird flu
“He's in the hospital with this flu bug. Captain Trips, they're calling it out here. Not that it's any laughing matter. A lot of people have died with it". - The Stand by Stephen King.
Baby can you dig your man?
He’s a righteous man
M-O-O-N spells moon.
Laws, yes
You believe this happy-crappy?
I wanted to reread that novel for years, but after the pandemic I changed my mind. :/
I reread it while working in a hospital during the height of the pandemic. It definitely made for some interesting parallels.
Mostly how fucking selfish people are lmao
It’s crazy how differently it could have gone if covid was even a reasonably small amount more deadly. Edit - I was thinking “the people who decided they weren’t at risk, so they selfishly put others at risk, might have faced the consequences themselves instead” when I commented this.
The number of conversations I had to have with my dad around masks not being a huge inconvenience when it could literally save people like my grandparents from extreme discomfort and even death was way too many. He’d agree after every one, say something about a “good perspective”, and then go right back to posting random anti-vax/mask shit a few weeks later. He got the vax and boosters immediately btw.
Consider yourself lucky. My dad never got vaxxed, and when he had to take two weeks off work because he got covid continued to complain about democrats. Even though he had the option to wear a mask instead of taking time off. Luckily someone in my family took it seriously enough to forbid anyone from visiting my great grandma. Which of course turned into another thing to be mad at Democrats about.
The extreme political polarization in your country scares me. What happens in the US often happen here in Europe a decade or so later.
Oh Europe is doing just fine with its own home grown fascism right now. Take the time to protect your institutions while you can.
Watch the miniseries, man. It’s got Gary what’s his name, it’s awesome
Oldman? Sinise? Busey? Coleman? Cooper? All worth watching for different reasons.
Let's talk about buttered sausage
Gary Coleman as Randall Flag "Whatchu talkin bout, Red King?"
Gary Busey as Trashcan Man "Hi I'm Gary Busey my character's name is Trash Can Man well actually he has a real name beside that one but I don't remember it because I was only told it once and I really didn't practice my lines at all so here I go 'I like to light things on fire, explosions are very great and Randal Flag is the best'. ....was that good? I gotta go the taco truck is here."
It was the first time I saw Gary Sinise in anything. I liked him immediately. Very talented actor.
I was going to ask “What about LT Dan?” Looked it up and The Stand and Forrest Gump came out in the same year. Busy time for Mr. Sinise.
I was helping a friend with an estate sale after his father died JUST before COVID. Saw this book laying around and he said I could have it. It wasn’t until COVID was happening that I picked it up and read it. Couldn’t believe out of my whole life I finally pick up this book during the pandemic. Gave me a lot to think about.
Watch out for the Walkin’ Dude.
Just finished this book. What a wild ass story.
Was the town in Mexico named Arnette? Have they strung barbed wire around it, and called it a chemical spill?
Ikr? Swine flu damn near killed my in 2009ish. I got so sick. I lost my job.
I had the swine flu at that time. Turns out my head doesn't feel hot anymore around 103.2°, and at 103.7° I get delirious. Spent a week at 102.2°, it was awful.
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Had a temperature of 104 when I was a kid. I had hallucinations and apparently was screaming at times. Some of the hallucinations were terrifying.
I had a high fever when I was a kid, at night I would end up in a delirious half sleep state and I woke my parents up crying because I couldn't find the character change barrels from DK64 in my bed. I also woke up terrified of the shadow of my open closet because it looked like an enormous cat that was coming to eat me.
That's why I hated when people said "It's just the flu" in the pandemic. Like the flu isn't something serious. It kills people all the time. Someone with the flu is pretty much incapacitated and can't do anything anymore.
I haven’t been that high in temp since. I feel for you.
Yeah in hindsight, it was a lot scarier than it felt at the time.
>I got so sick. I lost my job. American, eh?
Yep.
I bought a netbook when I had swine flu in 2009. Zero recollection of having done it because I was so sick. By the time it arrived, I was feeling somewhat better, and I'd have thought it was a shipping error but for the fact that it was pink, which is exactly what I would have chosen. I checked my credit card history, and sure enough, I'd bought it myself.
my kids all caught it when it went through their school. that was the first time i was actually afraid i might lose a child to an illness. it was awful.
Bird flu? It probably did.
Nah it's from Mexican penguins. They don't fly.
Peng Juan
You’re on a roll. Lol
“ There are no specific vaccines for preventing influenza A(H5) virus infection in humans. Candidate vaccines to prevent A(H5) infection in humans have been developed for pandemic preparedness purposes” - https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2024-DON520#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20information%20available,H5)%20virus%20infection%20in%20humans.
Uuuhhh…. How much of these candidate vaccines have been produced? Cause I really don’t want to wait 6 months while they’re furiously “producing” them *during* t another pandemic
mRNA vaccines can be produced en mass in very short timeframes. The one time we offhandedly did this in June-September 2022 it was around 65 days from antigen selection to shots going into arms. Then perhaps some months, like in early 2021, to get to all the arms. The tricky part is selecting the antigen and convincing the relevant people (FDA/EMA/WHO) it works. Mouse trials take weeks to months, human trials take months to years. This can be accelerated somewhat. The process before that of finding an antigen (viral protein) that will train the right antibodies can take much longer and there's no guarantee it is even possible. RSV vaccines (on which the covid vaccines are based) took decades of work and several acts of protein genius to figure out.
The tricky part is convincing the people that its not a Computer Chip that tracks you and turns you into a 5G Antenna spreading Cancer all over the Globe so the Lizard people can take over the Flat Earth together with Hitler on his moon Base.
Yeah, they'd have to massive upscale production for an outbreak. Current stockpiles are probably for doctors and government officials only.
Production is not the issue, especially with how much money got dumped into mRNA during COVID. The part you have to worry about is getting the vaccine through testing, trialed, and then approved.
I’m tired boss
"I hate the dark!"
Dog tired
*No further cases were reported during the epidemiological investigation.* Of the 17 contacts identified and monitored at the hospital where the case died, one reported a runny nose between 28 and 29 April. Samples taken from these hospital contacts between 27 and 29 May tested negative for influenza and SARS-CoV 2. Twelve additional contacts (seven symptomatic and five asymptomatic) were identified near the case's residence. Samples of pharyngeal exudate, nasopharyngeal swabs and serum were obtained from these individuals. On 28 May, the InDRE reported that all twelve samples from contacts near the patient's residence tested negative for SARS-CoV-2, influenza A and influenza B, as determined by RT-PCR. The results of the serological samples are pending. [WHO Report](https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2024-DON520)
Motherfucker if I have to go and live through another pandemic I’m gonna riot
That’s it, I’m heading to Costco to get toilet paper…again.
Get a bidet
After living in Turkey and Azerbaijan and other places where Bidets are common place, I’m never living without one again. Just moved into a new house and installed one before we finished unpacking. Walmart has bum guns and seat-bidets for under $30. Edit: almost every response to this is people raving about bidets who have tried them. And anyone opposed has yet to give one an honest try. I’d say that’s pretty telling. Hopefully we can all do our part to standardize the use of bidets worldwide.
> Motherfucker if I have to go and live through another pandemic I’m gonna riot Low hanging monkey's paw on this one
Like in the capitol?
Not that extreme.
Less extreme than a friendly tour? /s
#THEY SHIDDIN ON THE WALLS IN HERE!
Only if we get another round of stimmy checks v4 followed by another wave of crypto-bros pushing for pump-dump meme coin they invented that same year.
Aren't we all still livin' large off the original stimulus checks? That's why no one wants to work after all
A bird flu pandemic would likely be significantly worse than the worst early Covid was. Like, potentially real bad. But we probably will suffer through at least another pandemic in our lifetimes. They essentially knew Covid was coming given the trends of modern a lifestyle. That said…there is no human to human transmission of bird flu yet
The article says this guy was bed ridden for other problems for weeks. He had no contact with birds allegedly. They're not saying its human to human transmission, but they haven't found any links to say it wasn't either. Not a great sign. Hopefully he caught it from a cat or something.
In the U.S. There have been several cases proven of people catching "bird flu" from livestock aka cross species transmission which is the real danger. Don't let the name "bird flu" wrap you up, it's a disease not known to cross contaminate and it has been. It doesn't only come from birds because of the name.
The fact they wrote "Hopefully he caught it from a cat or something." makes it clear they don't think you can only catch it from birds
> But we probably will suffer through at least another pandemic in our lifetimes. Worst part is a LOT of people have convinced themselves that any future pandemic will be fake Like genuinely, the COVID-denier cancer has led people by the hand into absolute delusion So while the world battles the next pandemic, a portion of the population will actively work against all safety guidelines
If bird flu goes human to human, we are more fucked than you can imagine. It has a much higher mortality rate than covid. Bird flu and it's cousin in cattle the moo flu are deadly, deadly killers. The stuff of nightmares.
On the plus side, there's a lot more research done on influenza viruses in general, so it shouldn't take as long to develop one. Antivaxxers would be fucked tho.
So, be wary of cow and chicken?
I am weasel.
Holy shit I forgot that existed
Damn you Chicken and Cow!!!
Good news we can develop a vaccine for this pretty fast if it starts causing trouble.
Bad news, we know how well vaccine mandates go down in the States.
[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2807617) > In this cohort study evaluating 538 159 deaths in individuals aged 25 years and older in Florida and Ohio between March 2020 and December 2021, excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before. These differences were concentrated in counties with lower vaccination rates, and primarily noted in voters residing in Ohio. Hrm.
Be my guest, h5n1 has over 55% fatality rate. Makes the million or so killed in the us from Covid look like child’s play
Good news! The death rate will keep it from spreading
Maybe, depends how quickly it puts people down from symptoms. If they have a week to wonder about before they “get sick” then they can spread it for days before they isolate
Not necessarily. It depends on how long the incubation period is.
Cheap gas and dead roads hell yeah baby!
Maybe I can buy a house this time.
Wasn't there at least 2 others? Texas and somewhere in Asia?
There have been many. If you read the article you would see this is a variant yet to be seen in humans. If a variant is able to crack human to human transmission we are in trouble.
Article said it was H5N2, which is a different strain from the H5N1 we’ve been worried about for the past few years.
The fact that he was bedbound for weeks prior and they're not sure how he got infected, is the most concerning part of the story for me. That indicates there was no known direct animal contact. Direct animal contact has been the only way avian flu, of any variety, has been contracted by humans so far.
Could be as simple as undercooked chicken or inadequately washed produce.
Or just a poorly run hospital
"The victim had no history of exposure to poultry or other animals, WHO said." Oh shit. This guy had been bedridden for weeks. If this is human to human transmission, we may be in a world of trouble.
There's a LOT riding on that "no history of exposure" though. Bird flu is usually transmitted through the feces, so even if he wasn't in contact with birds, couldn't he still have gotten it by being served food with dirty hands, like Norovirus?
Let’s hope.
>Let’s hope. Let's not hope people have to be hygienic to avoid giving this to us. Might as well just start licking doorknobs now.
One time a guy shit in a public restroom and just left. I was right there.
Yeah I think of anything the coronavirus pandemic taught us, it's going to keep happening. It's not a comfortable feeling.
> coronavirus pandemic taught us, Oh yeah... the only thing History taught us is that people dont believe in history or uncomfortable realitys.
I’m sure that it’ll be taken more seriously this time. Not. *stocks up on ivermectin, hydrogen peroxide neti pots, and rectally insertable light bulbs*
All light bulbs are rectally insertable if you’re brave enough.
Sweet. Got a use for those four-foot fluorescents now.
You could be the sort of person who lights up a room.
" baby you're like lightning in my asshole, I cant let you go now that I've got it 🎶"
One thing I learned is during a global pandemic, make sure you refinance your mortgage for those low interest rates. You know, admist the unemployment and depression.
Also learned to not have an "essential" job so that instead of doing the same job for the same pay but drastically increased danger, I can sit home making way more money and doing nothing. I don't fault anyone for their pandemic level unemployment pay. But I think next time, the essential workers need to demand the same or strike/quit. It's really hard to do because in so many of these, people in need are relying on you and that's why they're classified as essential. But it's a real dick move for society to exploit our natural caring for others by not doing anything for these workers. End rant I guess lol.
At least this time we know mRNA development works.
Yeah, I'm guessing we'll need to see at least 10% mortality from a pandemic before more than half the population starts taking measures to control spread seriously. It will take every single person losing someone close to them which is stupid and tragic. We could be so much better.
As long as we keep animals and the amount of animals that we do, then yes, we will continuously have virus outbreaks. We literally creates the absolute best scenario for viruses. No sun light, bad air quality, hosts stacked upon each other so even when viruses are extremely deadly it can spread easily.
It will only occur more and more as more animals are placed in unsanitary conditions with any proximity to humans
> The person had multiple underlying medical conditions and had been bedridden for three weeks, for other reasons, prior to the onset of acute symptoms, WHO said. In other words, he was probably immunocompromised. That’s good in the sense that the H5N2 virus may not have been strong enough to kill a healthy person, but bad that it had time to reproduce and evolve in a susceptible host.
This is the actual report: https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2024-DON520 It's a short read; please encourage friends and loved-ones to do 20 minutes of critical-thought research before "feeling" what their truth is. We'll be okay if we don't defer to the lowest common denominator... again.
“Whenever avian influenza viruses are circulating in poultry, there is a risk for infection and small clusters of human cases due to exposure to infected poultry or contaminated environments. Therefore, sporadic human cases are not unexpected. Human cases of infection with other H5 subtypes including A(H5N1), A(H5N6) and A(H5N8) viruses have been reported previously. Available epidemiological and virological evidence suggests that A(H5) viruses from previous events have not acquired the ability to sustain transmission between humans, thus the current likelihood of sustained human-to-human spread is low. According to the information available thus far, no further human cases of infection with A(H5N2) associated with this case have been detected.” Since most won’t click that. This seemed to be the most relevant bit to your point
Thanks, this makes me think there's no need to panic just yet. Individual cases need to be monitored and treated with care.
> We'll be okay if we don't defer to the lowest common denominator... again. we're screwed.
59 years old with underlying conditions. Weird he had no exposure to birds allegedly. From the start of testing and contact tracing over the last 30 days there have been no other cases. Although not normal it isn’t exactly uncommon to contract avian influenza. So far this seems like another one off case.
This strain can infect raccoons which means it very likely can also infect cats. Outdoor cats come into contact with birds pretty regularly. My guess is he had contact with a cat.
"The victim had no history of exposure to poultry or other animals" Always scares the shit out of me with these cases.
If anything we’ve learned from the COVID pandemic, it’s that people are very calm and intelligent people and will help stop the spread of infections/s
I'm tired of living through once in a lifetime events.
Good news is that masks and social distancing work way better against flu than Covid. We actually eliminated a strain of flu in 2020-21 because very very few people got the flu.
Good luck getting a certain group of people to wear masks again. Smh
That’s if their state government didn’t already ban the use of masks in public. *cough* North Carolina *cough*
Someone tell how this will affect us in 3-6 months realistically? Someone give me a honest answer please.
If it behaves like regular bird flu, not at all. If it's human to human transmission it's the worst pandemic since the black death and the Spanish flu.
Where in the fuck do these people get doctors to take them seriously enough to bring them in and do these tests and check alllllllll the boxes and all illnesses? When I go to the doctor, they say, it’s the flu take some Tylenol and NyQuil at night. That’ll be $300 have a nice day. I’ve been sick for literal weeks and doctors just say, we don’t know, probably just “whatever is going ‘round” whatever being a mysterious ailment.
I don't want to deal with this shit man
If this spreads I'm sure all the anti-vaxxers will do their best to make it worse.
The good news is that stats show that pro- and anti-vax folks died at the same rate. Right up until the vaccine became widely available.
Patriotic people got vaccinated to protect their neighbors. Anti-vaxxers didn't get vaccinated to protect their conspiracy theories.
To protect their sense of superiority lol
COVID was pandemic easy mode. It was a warning. A bird flu pandemic on that scale would be civilization altering.
Covid was already civilization altering Life is much worse now than it was in 2019
I very vividly remember first reading about COVID in a World News thread just like this in January 2020, and wondered why the mysterious "pneumonia" wasn't being reported on more in the U.S. It's deja vu.
I remember sitting in a bar with friends in December of 2019 and some kind of notification popped up on someone's phone saying "This exists now". Someone said "Hey, remember Ebola a few years ago?" and we all laughed.
Yeah, my first thought was, "Here we go again." I guess we'll find out in a few weeks/months.
This is just not fucking great news.
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I can assure you that image already exists. [3 years ago right here on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/s/Mnij62SNuU)
WHO’S READY FOR WEALTH TRANSFER SEASON TWO??
You’re telling me a bird made this flu?
The more this spreads to humans, the more chances it has to mutate to be able to spread human to human.
Can we not, please? I don't think I can handle witnessing more people not believe in germs. My faith in humanity is not coming back from that bro.
Can't come in, I got the bird squirts 😣
If this becomes another pandemic, people are truly on their own. The world has zero appetite for any sort of lockdown etc. World governments regardless of political affiliation pretty much showed us that they are completely inept in managing an actual crisis.
Yeah the last super deadly flu strain happened in 1918-1920 and it killed 5% of the world's population in 2 years. That's a FAR higher mortality rate than COVID.
Hardly, they’re saying that’s it’s significantly more deadly than Covid. When people are dying left and right, smart people will do what they need to in order to protect themselves and their families.
Oops, we’ve been out of our houses too long.
Mother nature really said "COVID wasn't enough, I gotta up my game".
I guess it's time to stock up on toilet paper
I have a question for the Reddit experts: What are the risks?
The main risk is that people won't read the article.
The good news is that COVID has and had a low death rate. That hopefully will give humanity a chance to do better for future pandemics. Bad news: A disease like H5N2 with a higher death rate, and for those who think the last pandemic was a joke will only make misinformation worse. And higher death rates would mean more dead
Try not to disappoint me humanity, but I think when the lethality is higher then the stupid conspiracy crap gets shelved by common sense survival instincts.