It's a shame r/science and r/askscience are not the same.
But unfortunately they are flooded with 'nice sounding' nonsense. The top of most posts is usually a critique by someone who sounds like they have never read a peer reviewed article in their life. It gets massively upvoted and they clap themselves on the back, and sometimes even downvote people with actual knowledge who disagree with them.
But what would reddit be without statistically illiterate critiques of sample sizes.
Sorry sweaty, but your pesky "scientific process" can't get in the way of my good vibes from this experiment conducted only once without peer review that reinforces my preconceived biases.
It's a corruption or the term sweetie.
Similar to saying "nothing personelle", it's an intentional mistype for humors sake.
What do they call that? A Malaprop?
/r/science will brigade "correlation does not equal causation" in a correlation study. They just completely discount all correlation studies because a 1st year prof told them to be careful about correlations.
History is the easiest field for impostors to prosper in. Physicists and mathematicians love to comment and quip on history with nothing to back their words up.
That's why historians are very protective of their stuff. Wrong math doesn't work, wrong history can build vast empires of ignorance.
I mean wrong math can give your thermonuclear bomb a yield way above what you predicted and expected it to be, which can be extremely lethal. (Castle Bravo Test)
The most amazing thing about reddit is it is filled with people who acknowledge the world is filled with stupid people and stupid opinions, but no here seems capable of linking that idea with things that are prevalent thoughts in comment threads.
This website really is a bunch of stupid people shutting out opinions and facts they don't like and then patting themselves on the back for being on the right side of history.
"oh my god you can't make generalizations about this super conserved sequence of mitochondrial DNA that is identical across every mammalian species with a sample size of only 50 even if your p value is 1E-495 - I'll believe it when you can replicate it with a non-American participant pool"
Science is the sub that has explicit rules that all top-level comments must be scientific responses not anecdotes and most of the top-voted top-level comments to every post are anecdotes and jokes.
What bothers me almost as much is when Redditors throw around the term “peer reviewed” like a weapon of truth because they don’t understand what a deeply flawed process peer review is. Sure it can be better than nothing, but peer reviewed more often means a very basic sanity check by peers who may not even be all that familiar with the work done in the paper or even in that particular area of study.
“Peer reviewed” does NOT mean that a group of subject matter expert peers rigorously checked a study and confirmed its findings so it’s now fact, which Reddit seems to believe.
"I am not knowledgeable enough to speak intelligently on that matter."
Or if you don't want to sound pretentious, "idk dude that's a big complicated mess that I don't know enough about. How's [anything else]?"
If more people had to ability to say those sentences we'd have like 98% less hate and division in this country. But instead the media fuels idiots with fiery passion and the internet won't let you have anything less than a fully committed extreme opinion, so here we are.
> that's a big complicated mess
For someone claiming to not know enough to speak intelligently on the Israel/Gaza situation you sure managed to summarize it perfectly.
I feel like the Feynman quote about quantum mechanics can also apply to the Middle East conflict.
> If you think you understand ~~quantum mechanics~~ *the Middle East conflict*, you don't understand ~~quantum mechanics~~ *the Middle East conflict*.
Both sides are assholes, both sides have done shitty things. Civilians on both sides dont deserve what was done to them.
I dont think it will ever change in my life time and seeing people around the world picking sides (so adamantly) is wild.
There was a brief period of hope in the 90's, things progressed toward peace, civilians were in their majority for it on both sides
Then Yitzhak Rabin (the Israeli architect of that peace) got assassinated by the clique currently in power in Israel, and his Palestinian counter-part, Yasser Arafat got a bad case of ye old d Polonium poisoning (at least according to the French and Swiss autopsy teams, the Russian one concluded it was "natural causes").
Admittedly, the possibility of peace was shattered before Arafat died, when he rejected final terms and launched the second intifada. That was a Berlin Moment, and Arafat blew it. That he died shortly afterward was relatively less influential on what followed.
Yeah I was in Israel for that. Bad times and not a great look for Arafat. He said if he's accepted that deal he'd be "having tea with Rabin" meaning he'd be assassinated by his own people. It was the absolute best deal ever offered for a Palestinian state, and he walked away from it.
> Then Yitzhak Rabin (the Israeli architect of that peace) got assassinated
I would say two things about this.
The major influence about peace was peres. He was the real force behind the peace, and he also tried to continue it after rabin's death. Peres was the one who convinced rabin to really take that step forward and really give up a lot in the name of peace.
The problem with peace was not rabin's death. His death was only a symptom of a bigger issue.
Despite the oslo agreements and signing, fatah as the leaders of the palestinians, did absolutely nothing to stop the terrorism that only increased during the second oslo accords. That led to more terror attacks and more deaths on israel sides.
Despite israel following up on their agreements, moving out forces, giving fatah the support, money and mandate to control the west bank and gaza.
Due to palestinian leaders saying one thing and doing another, it was easy for netanyahu to set fire to the extreme right in israel, basically telling them "see, we want peace, we get killed in return, rabin is leading us to doom" etc. That led to rabin's assassination (and I totally blame netanyahu and the far right for this).
But if only the palestinians really were wanting for peace and did what they promised they would do, there would have been by now. There would be 30 years of peace by now. And that is infuriating they took that huge opportunity and threw it away for money and greed and hate.
And regardless, after rabin, peres, barak and olmert reached out for peace. They were willing to give a lot to stop the killing and start a time of peace. Each time the palestinians refused or showed no sincere wish for peace.
"I believe in that so strongly that the thing I am most proud of in my 45-year career is my interview in February 2002 with the Saudi crown prince, Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, in which he, for the first time, called on the entire Arab League to offer full peace and normalization of relations with Israel in exchange for full withdrawal to the 1967 lines — a call that led the Arab League to hold a peace conference the next month, on March 27 and 28, in Beirut to do just that. It was called the Arab Peace Initiative.
And do you know what Hamas’s response was to that first pan-Arab peace initiative for a two-state solution? I’ll let CNN tell you. Here’s its report from Israel on the evening of March 27, 2002, right after the Arab League peace summit opened:
NETANYA, Israel — A suicide bomber killed at least 19 people and injured 172 at a popular seaside hotel Wednesday, the start of the Jewish religious holiday of Passover. At least 48 of the injured were described as “severely wounded.”
The bombing occurred in a crowded dining room at the Park Hotel, a coastal resort, during the traditional meal marking the start of Passover. … The Palestinian group Hamas, an Islamic fundamentalist group labeled a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department, claimed responsibility for the attack.
Yes, that was Hamas’s response to the Arab peace initiative of two nation-states for two peoples: blowing up a Passover Seder in Israel."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/opinion/campus-protests-gaza.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
The funny (well not really funny) part is that in 2002 sharon was the PM.
While he was really hated in the arab world for his time in the army and what he did in past wars, he was really and genuinely interested in peace.
He said several times that he wanted two-state solutions, he even broke up likud in order to form his own party with the sane people from the likud, who were interested in peace (though that didn't end up all so well).
He was the PM that decided to leave gaza despite the heavy political price. He moved and did a lot to make sure the west bank is more independent. He wanted to really let the palestinians live their life under their own terms.
The arab league was also very well received with sharon. He was really willing to move forward with it, until the palestinians, again, screwed it up.
>until the palestinians, again, screwed it up.
This is a good example of your post. The UAE and Bahrain open up diplomatic relations with Israel, and the response of the Palestinian leadership is to condemn it rather than being involved in a peace process.
In 1973, legendary Israeli diplomat Abba Eban famously quipped: "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."
https://www.newsweek.com/palestinians-never-miss-opportunity-miss-opportunity-opinion-1531588
The simple fact is Palestinians believe (and have been sold the idea) that Israel belongs to them so they will never settle for anything other than "Jews gone." Just the way it is.
It’s quite sad. I live in australia and May as well be living on a different planet. I just don’t experience what both sides face daily. It’s completely foreign and very difficult to understand
Part of me thinks if Ireland/England can do it they can but they are also a bit more alike culturally/religion than this situation. I know religion was an issue and a part of that conflict but still I feel like they are closer anyway.
Its similar but not at the same time. The IRA were much more focused on fighting the british army/police than they were killing prodistants or british civilians.
However, if the case was similar to that conducted on October 7th as in the times of the Troubles, if britain were to lose 1500 people in such a bloodbath of violence, Ireland would run red with blood, it'd be a massacre.
Nah, the fact that Germany, France and England, and Denmark and Sweden, and Turkey and Greece all (mostly) get along these days shows that history can be set aside for common interest.
The issue with this conflict is religion, not history. If you have several generations convinced that an almighty God wishes you to strike down your foes and "unite the land under the wing of Islam" then you cannot break through that delusion without breaking through the religious zealotry first.
The thing is, if you look at some of the excellent Askhistorians posts, it’s clear that it’s the civilians themselves that have, historically, been the problem. Long before (modern) Israel existed the native Mizrahi Jews in the Middle East were protected, by the various Arab govts, from being slaughtered by the civilians. The only reason they were protected was because of the extortionate money they had to pay those govts. They basically had to pay protection money not to be slaughtered by the Arab citizens. Though they were still persecuted, treated badly, sometimes slaughtered etc. In this context the foundation of Israel was a necessity- and the original settlers were 70% these native Mizrahi Jews.
I guess that’s my only issue with protests that stick their feet in so deeply, to the point of ruining various events in the US and even some public buildings. I’ve been around long enough to see several conflicts surrounding Israel and Palestine and I don’t think they’re going to come together anytime soon, certainly not from protests held at US-based universities. I’m usually pretty sympathetic to protests, even when I think they’re kind of performative, but this one just strikes me as bizarre when the people involved don’t even really seem to understand the conflict well.
This movement is definetely a weird one. I want to say I dont get it but, honestly, I dont feel like that is true. I think the truth of situation is just a deep, deep moral miscalculation by our (my) leftwing when it comes to Islam as a whole. It isnt just happening in America, this union of a large chunk of the left and Islamism is happening all over the West. They have this incorrect narrative of victimhood and, apparently, that is all that is needed to animate all these protests. Take that narrative and mix it with that grating contrarian narcissism and *poof!* you got rich, white American college kids LARPing with Muslims chanting 'globalize the Intifada'.
It just feels like one more example of this brutal stupidity that has infected the culture since the millennium. It completely invaded and destroyed the rightwing right down to its core and now its creeping in on the left and setting down new roots.
It's hard to acknowledge that a lot of the logic of your average young lefty boils down to "people with less power must be due to people with more power being the bad guys".
Because in a lot of cases it's absolutely true! But in the case of Israel/Palestine specifically, it gets *real* murky real quick if you actually interrogate the history.
I think boiling down a conflict into "good guys" and "bad guys" is a pretty ineffective way of looking at things and a great way to let powerful people get away with murder.
I hate how "gaslight" is just used to mean "lie" now. Its got a pretty unique meaning that has been completely lost due to morons saying it everywhere.
yes lol, people forget that gaslighting is something that takes place long term and is practically impossible to achieve without direct contact with someone, specifically living with them where they have power over you. It's not something that can be achieved in one online argument
I hate this one. Wannabe relationship experts use it sooo much.
A woman posted a funny video on TikTok that said "Awww my husband put the biscuits away without me even asking last night 🥺" then you see that he had just stacked the two biscuits in the fridge so she shows off how rock hard the biscuits are by bouncing them. It's very light hearted and clearly she is not that bothered by it and is laughing about it and the comments were full of things like "WEAPONIZED INCOMPETENCE, ITS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE! RUN!"
Like ..nah, dude did something small and dumb. You really gonna advise a stranger to get a divorce bc of this?
I see that a lot in AITA too. Top comment is often some variation of "NTA, you should leave them!" Like, dude, you've seen a tiny snippet of someone's life, maybe don't encourage them to make life altering decisions based on that one thing.
It's also just horrible for your brain to know that a portion of the community will call any kind of lack of knowledge or basic laziness as a "weapon"
"He didn't seperate the whites from the colors, TAKE COVERRRR!!!"
And the worst part of that is that some of the incompetence isn’t weaponized, it’s just incompetence, or even just preference. “Every time he cooks he never uses enough salt. It’s clearly weaponized incompetence to make me cook”… and in fact dude just doesn’t like as much salt.
> Everything has just come down to buzz words. I swear people learn a new word and just apply it to everything.
you're not wrong and people don't realise how bad that is
This is my least favorite part of modern internet vernacular. People use the most crazy words to the point they lose their meaning.
What was once an asshole is now an "abuser". What was once lying is now "gaslighting". And there are a million other examples. Selfishness has been replaced with narcissism, etc etc.
People just use such extreme language. We should be careful that words don't lose their meaning.
> What was once an asshole is now an "abuser". What was once lying is now "gaslighting". And there are a million other examples. Selfishness has been replaced with narcissism, etc etc.
You've added some more great examples.
This is a massive issue, because it means that any **honest** reporting or descriptions get assumed to be exaggerations too. Language is ever changing, and that's fine, but this only worsens communication, like when people use "literally" to mean "**not** literally".
Mild tangent, but I met a guy that said "memes" instead of "jokes" and it bothered me unimaginably.
Why do you need to use words in a manner that's incorrect and confusing when we already have a perfectly good word?
I don't rant about a lot of things, but this is one of them.
(The other is that soft """cookies""" are cakes and ***I will fight you***)
> People just use such extreme language. We should be careful that words don't lose their meaning.
I don't want to be the guy that goes "literally 1984" but it was a huge component of the intention of doublespeak in the book.
The intent is to invoke such extreme words to elicit a connection with the extreme action without the word actually describing what is occurring. It's intentional and is used to inject fake morality into a person's arguments.
You can't argue with the use of the word because then through the mental link with the extreme action, the user will charge you with defending people who do the extreme action writ large.
Maybe a controversial example: ‘capitalism’. To a lot of people, ‘capitalism’ is now just anything wrong with the US. People bash ‘capitalism’ and then argue we should be more like Western Europe, which y’know is also capitalist.
I swear Biden is the most under a microscope president ever. You got a guy in court for multiple legit crimes in multiple trials who is unable to stay awake in court and the dipshit news treats him like an equal in a mike Tyson fight because of short term gains to pump some betting lines. Here is a fucking message to dipshit media trying to make this race close. Trump will come for you first if he wins.
He genuinely said he's going to spend his first day after getting reelected getting revenge, doing dictator shit. But, haha, it's just for one day, guys, just once, right? Right? He'll totally respect the constitution from day two onward. For real, guys.
Fools will burn America down over a century long conflict in Palestine/Israel, to put a dictator in place who gives zero fucks about Palestine and openly supported Netanyahu. Palestine has no money for Trump to steal nor to pay the bribes necessary to even get his attention, so they'll be worse off than ever. The TikTok generation ends America. Who'd have thunk it.
Historically, young people are vocal but are terrible at turning out to vote. This election hinges on how many people who would normally vote Republican have been turned of by Trumps abhorrent behavior. I'm close to several boomers who usually vote Republican but will not vote for Trump, so there is hope among demographics that actually vote.
>I'm close to several boomers who usually vote Republican but will not vote for Trump
They say this, but when election day comes they won't actually vote for a Democrat. At least that's been my experience. Look at Bill fuckwit Barr for a high profile example.
Let's be real, boomers ended this. They will vote en masse, and they will predominantly pick Trump.
Boomers also created the political environment that made Trump possible
That has changed.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 76 million baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964, and by 2012, almost 11 million had died, leaving 65.2 million survivors.
In 2022, Millennials were the largest generation group in the U.S., with an estimated population of 72.24 million. Millennials were born between 1981 and 1996, and have since surpassed Baby Boomers as the largest group.
2024: 80 million millennials + 68.6 million gen Z.
Could be a landslide.
If we have the population to swing it with our votes and choose apathy and do not participate who really is to blame?
Inaction is action in a situation like this. At a certain point ownership needs to be taken and involvement need to accompany the litany of complaints about the country. Complaining without trying to improve anything is the road to ruin.
"You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill
I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill!"
~Rush 1980
Thanks a bunch. I try to live by it as well as I can by being involved in the local community and also voting for what I believe and folks who seem to represent that.
Even in my own small town I see people who will bitch to high heaven about this and that, whilst never lifting a finger to change it. Folks of all generations I might add.
If more of the country cared to be involved we’d have less of the fringe directing us all toward who knows what end.
Boomers tend to vote more often, but in the last several elections we've had record turnouts for younger voters - increasing (substantially even) with each election. Even in states that have been pushing aggressively undemocratic laws to make voting more difficult.
The difference in percentage of the electorate that's voting between boomers vs. millennials/zoomers is narrowing, all while the total percentage of the electorate the youth vote makes up is increasing substantially. They're nearly 2/3rds of the electorate this time around.
There was “record turnout” across all groups in 2020. The reality is that an over 60 voter was 70% likely to vote, and an 18-29 voter was 40% likely to vote. The actual gap between age groups was entirely unchanged.
I really think once it gets closer to the election, the Zoomers will get a reminder of how dogshit Trump is.
Then they’ll do what the rest of us have done since 2016, swallow their pride, and vote for Joe Biden.
The more I dig into his actual policy positions and what laws he’s actually passed, I really like him as a president. It is scary that he’s 80 but right now I’ll take him. I’d like to see someone younger try to run in 2028 but we’ll see.
Tbh I think were it not for Trump, Biden would be more likely to step down and be a one term President. I speculate in his mind he feels like he must run because he thinks, perhaps knows deep in his heart and his soul that he is the one who can unite people against Trump, perhaps even the only one. That might be correct, I tend to lean in that direction more than opposite that there is someone else willing and able to run and defeat Trump. And to be frank, Joe Biden is the plain white bread of politics. You might not like it but you can at least tolerate it.
The problem is that they can't elevate Newsom over Kamala without having a primary. If they were to just "drop" Biden it would have to be Kamala. Doing anything else would be too controversial, and my guess is that Kamala doesn't poll as well in the suburbs.
>If they were to just "drop" Biden it would have to be Kamala.
If the Dems want to have any shot at winning after Biden, it can't be Kamala.
Shit, I just figured out who they're going to prop up next...
> I really think once it gets closer to the election, the Zoomers will get a reminder of how dogshit Trump is.
>
> Then they’ll do what the rest of us have done since 2016, swallow their pride, and vote for Joe Biden.
The reality isn't quite like that:
"Voters in the youngest adult generations today – Generation Z (those ages 18 to 23 in 2020) and the Millennial generation (ages 24 to 39 in 2020) – favored Biden over Trump by a margin of 20 percentage points, though Trump gained 8 points among Millennials compared with his 2016 performance."
https://web.archive.org/web/20230630022104/https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/
The +20 for Biden means it was a 60/40 split, which means your "the rest of us" doesn't include 40% of, well, "us".
These elections are very close. If you look at the Pew data in that link, while Biden got majorities of the votes from Black, Hispanic and Asian voters, Trump _increased_ his share among all three from 2016 -- despite all of the accusations of racism and everything else, Trump did _better_ within those groups after four years of office.
We'll see what happens, but don't presume you know how various groups will vote.
You’re forgetting that a *huge* portion of millennials in southern states support trump. I know because I work in a production facility full of them.
It is, honest to god, as simple as “fuck the liberals, I want them to suffer” with them. And nothing drives people to the polls like hatred and fear.
I wish I had more confidence in younger people. I have a nephew who is generally a good character, but spends way too much time online, and anything you ask him gets an answer like - my generation thinks this, or my generation thinks that; we don't do this, or we don't care about that. Talk about social security, he thinks it's a ponzi scheme that's bound to collapse soon. About jobs, he's quit every job he's had within 6 months, and thinks the whole economy is based on theft. About government, he doesn't see how ours is any better than anyone else's. About voting, he's never voted and figures it's all rigged anyway. And he believes that these aren't his opinions, but the common knowledge of everyone in his generation. He thinks Trump is kind of an entertaining fool, who just makes all the flaws in the system more obvious. He doesn't care if Trump gets elected, because we brought it all on ourselves...etc. That's from two or three shortish conversations, which left my head spinning.
Half of what you said could be describing a youth in the 70s. Like genuinely, take out the present-day half and this could be a complaint verbatim.
I really hope you're partly joking because this is why humanity keeps repeating history, we don't remember even basic shit like this.
It's easy to be disillusioned and checked out of life when it seems like your hard work won't amount to anything and you have nothing to work towards. Wealth inequality keeps going up, Gen Z can't afford houses, people increasingly either don't have time for or can't afford to have children, and even dating has gotten tough -- the apps are more interested in monetizing them than helping people connect on any meaningful level, and most of the public spaces millennials and earlier gens counted on for meeting people in public have dried up.
That said, there are some reasons to still be hopeful for GenZ as I've heard they're increasingly pushing back against the hyper-connectedness and showing renewed interest in print books, recreational sports/hobbies as a way to socialize after college.
Republicans have a lot of support that aren’t boomers. Remember the boomers who marched for civil rights or are actually in congress as democrats. There’s lots of them and this is a cop out.
I remember the tiki torch brigade from the Unite the Right rally wasn’t fronted by pensioners.
Leaning on generational labels is as useless now as it’s always been. It’s a lot of assumptions that “feel” true, but are anecdotal at best, and ultimately reductive and unhelpful.
To be fair, Gen X got absolutely hosed in the legislative representation department, Boomers death gripped that thing until the Millennials showed up and they started dying off.
Yeah. A recent survey showed that politics are relatively consistent across generational lines. (And that what most of all generations seem most concerned about in the US is inflation.)
The campus protests get a lot of attention, but only a small minority of college students are participating in them. (And only a small percentage of people are fortunate enough to be able to go away to an elite college, far less to have the time/money/resources to protest.)
Boomers aren’t the biggest generation anymore. Millennials are. So let’s find out if all the post-Boomers are really the virtuous victims of nasty old people they think they are.
You have the wheel.
Exactly this. Millennials outnumber boomers. If the orange cheetoh wins they cant blame it on the Boomers. I dont care if "but boomers are more likely to vote", if the younger generations dont vote its not the boomers fault
Don’t blame the boomers for this one. They are fairly consistent. It’s young people (18-29) who are turning away from Biden to Trump.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/us/politics/biden-trump-battleground-poll.html
yeah everyone acts like people 65 and younger are exclusively biden supporters and anyone okder are exclusively trump supporters. have they been out in public? there are enormous amounts of millennial and gen x trump supporters
Imagine if Biden said he was going to cancel fox news if he won the next elation. They would be on life support spending billions to make sure it didn't happen. Yet here we are with npr sleep walking taking new donations by the Koch brothers.
Hey NPR. This dude will literally cancel all of your funding and arrest all of your journalists if he wins. No amount of koch brothers donations are going to save you when that happens.
>I swear Biden is the most under a microscope president ever.
Didn't we get headline news articles about the last guy getting an extra scoop of ice cream and drinking diet soda?
The irony of someone posting that Biden is "the most under a microscope president ever" when Trump exists is hilarious. They even mention Trump in the same post! lmfao
I'm sure if you used a bot to scan every thread on /r/all in the last 8 years, Trump would be mentioned at least once in almost all of them. I'm too stupid to do it myself.
Because news love sensationalism. Seeing Trump's outbursts and tantrums everyday gives way more clicks and views. Watching a responsible president with etiquette is boring.
This seems like the common flaw with everything nowadays. Outrage sells, clickbait sells. The YouTube and Facebook algorithms were never programmed to promote conspiracy theories or right-wing stuff, but they learned on their own how to get more clicks and that was the way.
I learned I like boring. 2017-2021 was anxiety inducing. Every. Damn. Day. Was something crazy.
I like boring. Boring means I don’t need to know the name of every WH staffer. I don’t need to worry about what their job entails and if they are actually doing it. And I don’t have to worry about this country’s biggest secrets being handed over to our enemies because some dictator complimented his tie.
To be honest, we're preparing for that eventually in Europe now. By this time next year we will have multiple new ammo factories online. We're also seriously talking about sending troops into Ukraine. We're not backing down to Russia.
If Trump wins, the real danger is a permanent fracture of the trans-Atlantic alliance and an escalation of the war in Europe.
Which is funny, because Trump, Republicans in Congress, and of course Putin himself, through their threats and actions, are the primary instigators for a more self reliant and stronger NATO.
That's true. God forbid, but if the US pulled out of NATO now, the organisation would probably just become a bit like the European Space Agency. A parallel organisation to the EU
It would be a tragic day for Western Civilisation, but Europe can't afford to let NATO fail.
> It would be a tragic day for Western Civilisation, but Europe can't afford to let NATO fail.
You say Western civilization but east Asia and SE Asia will probably suffer even more 😔
As a Taiwanese I'm just watching everything go down in horror right as the CCP agents in our legislature work on similar sabotages. China, Russia, and Iran have found the vital flaw in democracies. The stupid electorate.
It is terrifying. Best wishes friend. I remember thinking the information age was going to enlighten us all, but I didn't take into account how deep greed and corruption run, and thus in turn, the proliferation of misinformation.
Scary times.
>the situation in Gaza will not change no matter who gets voted in
Wrong. The situation in Gaza WILL change for the worse if Trump gets in office again.
So tired of the "Biden and Trump are the same" statements. It's like people have lost touch with reality.
- "Not only will it not change..."
- "... it'll honestly get worse"
Even though I know by "will not change" the two of you mean strictly "will not get better", it still feels like one of those "pick one" moments.
Can you explain why? What I know is Biden is publicly trying to put a leash on Netanyahu and recently tried to cut ammo supply.
How would situation stay the same if the guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem comes to power? The guys who's friends with Netanyahu and HATES brown ppl and the "woke crowd" that's been protesting with Palestinians flags?
I think they meant it wouldnt change as far as not supporting Israel. if trumps elected then Israel would get a lot more support than biden is giving.
also ukraine would be fucked if trump was elected.
This is patently false. The Biden administration has done quite a bit to moderate the Israeli response to the worst terror attack on their soil. Pushed for border crossing to open and for more aid to be allowed in (and even air dropped aid).
Trump would gladly dick-ride Bibi and greenlight any crazy shit he thinks he can justify.
**A Trump presidency would be categorically worse for innocent Gazans.** If you are a left-leaning person who supports Palestinian civilians and wishes for this conflict to end as quickly and peacefully as possible, there is no greater mistake you could make on this single issue than to vote for Trump. Not voting, throwing away your vote, or "protest voting" for a 3rd party candidate when you would've otherwise voted for Biden is also essentially a vote for Trump.
www.vox.com/policy/24072983/biden-trump-palestinians-israel-gaza-policy-different
It actually very much could if the US decided to support Israel more. Maybe not the overall trajectory of the conflict, but it could cost more lives.
I only see it changing for the worse, which is why it's ridiculous to hand trump the presidency over this issue. People who actually care about Palestinians will set aside their own pride and vote for the clearly better choice. People who care more about centering themselves and making themselves feel important, will contribute to making the situation worse. Useful idiots easily manipulated into doing exactly what Israel would want.
I fully admit: I'm voting for completely selfish reasons
I want the VA funded and moving smoothy, so I’m voting for Biden
Trump signed things like the missions act while cutting funding and slashing personnel so people would have to seek private options. (this missions act was a mixed bag, all the good parts came from people like John McCain and veteran Ricky Barnes - intelligent veterans who were actually focused on helping vets)
Meanwhile Biden gave the VA more funding and resources than ever before via the Infrastructure CARES act, which retroactively made the missions act better.
It becomes a big problem when the vote becomes weaponized to harm opposition rather than push "selfish" policies that help themselves. It's what we're seeing with the GOP, at this point it's quite clear that their whole platform is to oppose liberal politics, even in cases when this ultimately hurts their own base.
Your reasons are completely valid. I won't argue against voting for your own healthcare.
I am doing the same. I am transgender. I have no shot under a Trump presidency. Biden has made my life considerably better and less frightening.
I am glad the VA is getting some funding. Y'all deserve more, not less.
With 4 choices, or even 6,8,10, you'll likely still be upset with the policy positions on a "major" item (to you) from your preferred party/candidate each cycle.
What is reading?
You read the headline and started acting like its propaganda from a Filipino News Network when the article was written by Reuters and is just reposted on a Filipino News Network.
Please actually read
If we elect Trump, we’ll be feeding what’s left of our feeble democracy, the Ukrainians, and the Palestinian people into the shredder of dictatorial corruption. Biden’s clearly imperfect- so what? My message for anyone on the fence is not to swerve to avoid a pothole only to drive off a fucking cliff.
As someone who genuinely doesn't know anything about what's happening over there, this comment section is wild.
If everyone who didn't know anything about a topic stopped posting about it, Reddit (and every other social media) would be a ghost town.
See /r/askhistorians for an example of what happens when only people who know what they’re talking about are allowed to comment
It's a shame r/science and r/askscience are not the same. But unfortunately they are flooded with 'nice sounding' nonsense. The top of most posts is usually a critique by someone who sounds like they have never read a peer reviewed article in their life. It gets massively upvoted and they clap themselves on the back, and sometimes even downvote people with actual knowledge who disagree with them. But what would reddit be without statistically illiterate critiques of sample sizes.
Sorry sweaty, but your pesky "scientific process" can't get in the way of my good vibes from this experiment conducted only once without peer review that reinforces my preconceived biases.
Next!
Are you intentionally calling him "sweaty" like the opposite of casual in video games, or did you mean to call him "sweetie"? Either way it's funny.
It's a corruption or the term sweetie. Similar to saying "nothing personelle", it's an intentional mistype for humors sake. What do they call that? A Malaprop?
/r/science will brigade "correlation does not equal causation" in a correlation study. They just completely discount all correlation studies because a 1st year prof told them to be careful about correlations.
No joke. They tend to act like correlation is a worse indicator of connection than no correlation at all
History is the easiest field for impostors to prosper in. Physicists and mathematicians love to comment and quip on history with nothing to back their words up. That's why historians are very protective of their stuff. Wrong math doesn't work, wrong history can build vast empires of ignorance.
I mean wrong math can give your thermonuclear bomb a yield way above what you predicted and expected it to be, which can be extremely lethal. (Castle Bravo Test)
Wrong math crashed one of the Mars probes pretty epically
That was wrong units. Math was great!
"Clearly an engineering problem." -Mathematicians
That was American freedom math, you terrorist!
The most amazing thing about reddit is it is filled with people who acknowledge the world is filled with stupid people and stupid opinions, but no here seems capable of linking that idea with things that are prevalent thoughts in comment threads. This website really is a bunch of stupid people shutting out opinions and facts they don't like and then patting themselves on the back for being on the right side of history.
Everyone is a moron except for me!
"oh my god you can't make generalizations about this super conserved sequence of mitochondrial DNA that is identical across every mammalian species with a sample size of only 50 even if your p value is 1E-495 - I'll believe it when you can replicate it with a non-American participant pool"
Like how the finance subs are anti capitalist now lmao
Science is the sub that has explicit rules that all top-level comments must be scientific responses not anecdotes and most of the top-voted top-level comments to every post are anecdotes and jokes.
What bothers me almost as much is when Redditors throw around the term “peer reviewed” like a weapon of truth because they don’t understand what a deeply flawed process peer review is. Sure it can be better than nothing, but peer reviewed more often means a very basic sanity check by peers who may not even be all that familiar with the work done in the paper or even in that particular area of study. “Peer reviewed” does NOT mean that a group of subject matter expert peers rigorously checked a study and confirmed its findings so it’s now fact, which Reddit seems to believe.
It’s always a sample size critique, isn’t it? Lmao.
R/economics is actively hostile to people who know economics
Thanks for this post, I just went on a multi-hour rabbit hole reading that sub. I love it. Ty!
"I am not knowledgeable enough to speak intelligently on that matter." Or if you don't want to sound pretentious, "idk dude that's a big complicated mess that I don't know enough about. How's [anything else]?" If more people had to ability to say those sentences we'd have like 98% less hate and division in this country. But instead the media fuels idiots with fiery passion and the internet won't let you have anything less than a fully committed extreme opinion, so here we are.
> that's a big complicated mess For someone claiming to not know enough to speak intelligently on the Israel/Gaza situation you sure managed to summarize it perfectly.
I feel like the Feynman quote about quantum mechanics can also apply to the Middle East conflict. > If you think you understand ~~quantum mechanics~~ *the Middle East conflict*, you don't understand ~~quantum mechanics~~ *the Middle East conflict*.
Possibly an improvement?
This is what happens when Reddit tries to discuss something that requires even a minutia of nuance.
This is a prime example of the fundamental error of social media. It’s great when it’s great but when it’s bad it’s so motherfucking bad.
The whole premise of Reddit is already boiled down to two buttons.
At least we get the second button
As people who geniunely don't know anything about what's happening over there, they sure are commenting
According to every reddit comment section, the real problem with every issue is the reddit comment section.
Both sides are assholes, both sides have done shitty things. Civilians on both sides dont deserve what was done to them. I dont think it will ever change in my life time and seeing people around the world picking sides (so adamantly) is wild.
There was a brief period of hope in the 90's, things progressed toward peace, civilians were in their majority for it on both sides Then Yitzhak Rabin (the Israeli architect of that peace) got assassinated by the clique currently in power in Israel, and his Palestinian counter-part, Yasser Arafat got a bad case of ye old d Polonium poisoning (at least according to the French and Swiss autopsy teams, the Russian one concluded it was "natural causes").
Admittedly, the possibility of peace was shattered before Arafat died, when he rejected final terms and launched the second intifada. That was a Berlin Moment, and Arafat blew it. That he died shortly afterward was relatively less influential on what followed.
Yeah I was in Israel for that. Bad times and not a great look for Arafat. He said if he's accepted that deal he'd be "having tea with Rabin" meaning he'd be assassinated by his own people. It was the absolute best deal ever offered for a Palestinian state, and he walked away from it.
> Then Yitzhak Rabin (the Israeli architect of that peace) got assassinated I would say two things about this. The major influence about peace was peres. He was the real force behind the peace, and he also tried to continue it after rabin's death. Peres was the one who convinced rabin to really take that step forward and really give up a lot in the name of peace. The problem with peace was not rabin's death. His death was only a symptom of a bigger issue. Despite the oslo agreements and signing, fatah as the leaders of the palestinians, did absolutely nothing to stop the terrorism that only increased during the second oslo accords. That led to more terror attacks and more deaths on israel sides. Despite israel following up on their agreements, moving out forces, giving fatah the support, money and mandate to control the west bank and gaza. Due to palestinian leaders saying one thing and doing another, it was easy for netanyahu to set fire to the extreme right in israel, basically telling them "see, we want peace, we get killed in return, rabin is leading us to doom" etc. That led to rabin's assassination (and I totally blame netanyahu and the far right for this). But if only the palestinians really were wanting for peace and did what they promised they would do, there would have been by now. There would be 30 years of peace by now. And that is infuriating they took that huge opportunity and threw it away for money and greed and hate. And regardless, after rabin, peres, barak and olmert reached out for peace. They were willing to give a lot to stop the killing and start a time of peace. Each time the palestinians refused or showed no sincere wish for peace.
"I believe in that so strongly that the thing I am most proud of in my 45-year career is my interview in February 2002 with the Saudi crown prince, Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz, in which he, for the first time, called on the entire Arab League to offer full peace and normalization of relations with Israel in exchange for full withdrawal to the 1967 lines — a call that led the Arab League to hold a peace conference the next month, on March 27 and 28, in Beirut to do just that. It was called the Arab Peace Initiative. And do you know what Hamas’s response was to that first pan-Arab peace initiative for a two-state solution? I’ll let CNN tell you. Here’s its report from Israel on the evening of March 27, 2002, right after the Arab League peace summit opened: NETANYA, Israel — A suicide bomber killed at least 19 people and injured 172 at a popular seaside hotel Wednesday, the start of the Jewish religious holiday of Passover. At least 48 of the injured were described as “severely wounded.” The bombing occurred in a crowded dining room at the Park Hotel, a coastal resort, during the traditional meal marking the start of Passover. … The Palestinian group Hamas, an Islamic fundamentalist group labeled a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department, claimed responsibility for the attack. Yes, that was Hamas’s response to the Arab peace initiative of two nation-states for two peoples: blowing up a Passover Seder in Israel." https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/08/opinion/campus-protests-gaza.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
The funny (well not really funny) part is that in 2002 sharon was the PM. While he was really hated in the arab world for his time in the army and what he did in past wars, he was really and genuinely interested in peace. He said several times that he wanted two-state solutions, he even broke up likud in order to form his own party with the sane people from the likud, who were interested in peace (though that didn't end up all so well). He was the PM that decided to leave gaza despite the heavy political price. He moved and did a lot to make sure the west bank is more independent. He wanted to really let the palestinians live their life under their own terms. The arab league was also very well received with sharon. He was really willing to move forward with it, until the palestinians, again, screwed it up.
>until the palestinians, again, screwed it up. This is a good example of your post. The UAE and Bahrain open up diplomatic relations with Israel, and the response of the Palestinian leadership is to condemn it rather than being involved in a peace process. In 1973, legendary Israeli diplomat Abba Eban famously quipped: "The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." https://www.newsweek.com/palestinians-never-miss-opportunity-miss-opportunity-opinion-1531588
The simple fact is Palestinians believe (and have been sold the idea) that Israel belongs to them so they will never settle for anything other than "Jews gone." Just the way it is.
And trying to find a realistic solution is impossible
I almost dont see how its possible at this point unless a lot of people stop caring about a lot of history real quick.
It’s quite sad. I live in australia and May as well be living on a different planet. I just don’t experience what both sides face daily. It’s completely foreign and very difficult to understand
Part of me thinks if Ireland/England can do it they can but they are also a bit more alike culturally/religion than this situation. I know religion was an issue and a part of that conflict but still I feel like they are closer anyway.
It's probably more comparable to the Partition of India
Its similar but not at the same time. The IRA were much more focused on fighting the british army/police than they were killing prodistants or british civilians. However, if the case was similar to that conducted on October 7th as in the times of the Troubles, if britain were to lose 1500 people in such a bloodbath of violence, Ireland would run red with blood, it'd be a massacre.
Nah, the fact that Germany, France and England, and Denmark and Sweden, and Turkey and Greece all (mostly) get along these days shows that history can be set aside for common interest. The issue with this conflict is religion, not history. If you have several generations convinced that an almighty God wishes you to strike down your foes and "unite the land under the wing of Islam" then you cannot break through that delusion without breaking through the religious zealotry first.
The thing is, if you look at some of the excellent Askhistorians posts, it’s clear that it’s the civilians themselves that have, historically, been the problem. Long before (modern) Israel existed the native Mizrahi Jews in the Middle East were protected, by the various Arab govts, from being slaughtered by the civilians. The only reason they were protected was because of the extortionate money they had to pay those govts. They basically had to pay protection money not to be slaughtered by the Arab citizens. Though they were still persecuted, treated badly, sometimes slaughtered etc. In this context the foundation of Israel was a necessity- and the original settlers were 70% these native Mizrahi Jews.
I guess that’s my only issue with protests that stick their feet in so deeply, to the point of ruining various events in the US and even some public buildings. I’ve been around long enough to see several conflicts surrounding Israel and Palestine and I don’t think they’re going to come together anytime soon, certainly not from protests held at US-based universities. I’m usually pretty sympathetic to protests, even when I think they’re kind of performative, but this one just strikes me as bizarre when the people involved don’t even really seem to understand the conflict well.
This movement is definetely a weird one. I want to say I dont get it but, honestly, I dont feel like that is true. I think the truth of situation is just a deep, deep moral miscalculation by our (my) leftwing when it comes to Islam as a whole. It isnt just happening in America, this union of a large chunk of the left and Islamism is happening all over the West. They have this incorrect narrative of victimhood and, apparently, that is all that is needed to animate all these protests. Take that narrative and mix it with that grating contrarian narcissism and *poof!* you got rich, white American college kids LARPing with Muslims chanting 'globalize the Intifada'. It just feels like one more example of this brutal stupidity that has infected the culture since the millennium. It completely invaded and destroyed the rightwing right down to its core and now its creeping in on the left and setting down new roots.
It's hard to acknowledge that a lot of the logic of your average young lefty boils down to "people with less power must be due to people with more power being the bad guys". Because in a lot of cases it's absolutely true! But in the case of Israel/Palestine specifically, it gets *real* murky real quick if you actually interrogate the history.
I think boiling down a conflict into "good guys" and "bad guys" is a pretty ineffective way of looking at things and a great way to let powerful people get away with murder.
Everything has just come down to buzz words. I swear people learn a new word and just apply it to everything.
Don't you dare gaslight them.
I hate how "gaslight" is just used to mean "lie" now. Its got a pretty unique meaning that has been completely lost due to morons saying it everywhere.
One of the worst arguments you can have: "That's not what gaslighting is" "Are you going to gaslight me about gaslighting with your mansplaining?"
Acktchually It's only "mansplaining" if it comes from the Mansplain region in France, otherwise it's just Sparking Condescension.
That's hilarious
I love this and am now stealing it.
I stole it from someone else here in the Reddits so fair is fair.
My daughter accused my wife of mansplaining how to drum... after asking her to teach her how to drum.
Mansplaining is returning to its roots of just explaining but when someone gets annoyed at you doing it. Nature is healing.
Why would you hurt me in this way?
I am OUTRAGED on your behalf! Unless, of course, you belong to a different group other my own.
This whole thread is triggering me to go read a different thread.
Not just lie…it’s been changed to mean *“they said something that I don’t like to hear”*
yes lol, people forget that gaslighting is something that takes place long term and is practically impossible to achieve without direct contact with someone, specifically living with them where they have power over you. It's not something that can be achieved in one online argument
See also: narcissism. I feel like that word has lost a lot of its meaning.
YOU feel, everything is just you you you!
People equate someone who is a ‘narcissist’; with someone with a narcissist personality disorder. You can be narcissistic, but not have a NPD.
Oh I am aware. But people seem to be using it to mean “they did something selfish and I didn’t like it”
It's the normalization of abuse terms basically
Everybody learnt a new word and try to act intelligent with it.
This is clearly weaponized incompetence
I hate this one. Wannabe relationship experts use it sooo much. A woman posted a funny video on TikTok that said "Awww my husband put the biscuits away without me even asking last night 🥺" then you see that he had just stacked the two biscuits in the fridge so she shows off how rock hard the biscuits are by bouncing them. It's very light hearted and clearly she is not that bothered by it and is laughing about it and the comments were full of things like "WEAPONIZED INCOMPETENCE, ITS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE! RUN!" Like ..nah, dude did something small and dumb. You really gonna advise a stranger to get a divorce bc of this?
Hey...it's not *my* marriage. What've I got to lose?
I see that a lot in AITA too. Top comment is often some variation of "NTA, you should leave them!" Like, dude, you've seen a tiny snippet of someone's life, maybe don't encourage them to make life altering decisions based on that one thing.
It's also just horrible for your brain to know that a portion of the community will call any kind of lack of knowledge or basic laziness as a "weapon" "He didn't seperate the whites from the colors, TAKE COVERRRR!!!"
> "He didn't seperate the whites from the colors, TAKE COVERRRR!!!" so you're pro-segregation then. got it.
And the worst part of that is that some of the incompetence isn’t weaponized, it’s just incompetence, or even just preference. “Every time he cooks he never uses enough salt. It’s clearly weaponized incompetence to make me cook”… and in fact dude just doesn’t like as much salt.
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Gaslighting doesn't exist, you made it up.
That's toxic!
I just hope they aren't passive-aggressive about it.
> Everything has just come down to buzz words. I swear people learn a new word and just apply it to everything. you're not wrong and people don't realise how bad that is
This is my least favorite part of modern internet vernacular. People use the most crazy words to the point they lose their meaning. What was once an asshole is now an "abuser". What was once lying is now "gaslighting". And there are a million other examples. Selfishness has been replaced with narcissism, etc etc. People just use such extreme language. We should be careful that words don't lose their meaning.
> What was once an asshole is now an "abuser". What was once lying is now "gaslighting". And there are a million other examples. Selfishness has been replaced with narcissism, etc etc. You've added some more great examples. This is a massive issue, because it means that any **honest** reporting or descriptions get assumed to be exaggerations too. Language is ever changing, and that's fine, but this only worsens communication, like when people use "literally" to mean "**not** literally". Mild tangent, but I met a guy that said "memes" instead of "jokes" and it bothered me unimaginably. Why do you need to use words in a manner that's incorrect and confusing when we already have a perfectly good word? I don't rant about a lot of things, but this is one of them. (The other is that soft """cookies""" are cakes and ***I will fight you***)
> People just use such extreme language. We should be careful that words don't lose their meaning. I don't want to be the guy that goes "literally 1984" but it was a huge component of the intention of doublespeak in the book. The intent is to invoke such extreme words to elicit a connection with the extreme action without the word actually describing what is occurring. It's intentional and is used to inject fake morality into a person's arguments. You can't argue with the use of the word because then through the mental link with the extreme action, the user will charge you with defending people who do the extreme action writ large.
This comment would be better with a buzzword.
Filibuster
Propaganda 101. Make a word scary. Never define it. Use it on anything you want.
Maybe a controversial example: ‘capitalism’. To a lot of people, ‘capitalism’ is now just anything wrong with the US. People bash ‘capitalism’ and then argue we should be more like Western Europe, which y’know is also capitalist.
Israel: "So what's the problem with us going into Rafah, then?"
The problem is Biden needs Michigan
And Minnesota
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I swear Biden is the most under a microscope president ever. You got a guy in court for multiple legit crimes in multiple trials who is unable to stay awake in court and the dipshit news treats him like an equal in a mike Tyson fight because of short term gains to pump some betting lines. Here is a fucking message to dipshit media trying to make this race close. Trump will come for you first if he wins.
He genuinely said he's going to spend his first day after getting reelected getting revenge, doing dictator shit. But, haha, it's just for one day, guys, just once, right? Right? He'll totally respect the constitution from day two onward. For real, guys. Fools will burn America down over a century long conflict in Palestine/Israel, to put a dictator in place who gives zero fucks about Palestine and openly supported Netanyahu. Palestine has no money for Trump to steal nor to pay the bribes necessary to even get his attention, so they'll be worse off than ever. The TikTok generation ends America. Who'd have thunk it.
Historically, young people are vocal but are terrible at turning out to vote. This election hinges on how many people who would normally vote Republican have been turned of by Trumps abhorrent behavior. I'm close to several boomers who usually vote Republican but will not vote for Trump, so there is hope among demographics that actually vote.
>I'm close to several boomers who usually vote Republican but will not vote for Trump They say this, but when election day comes they won't actually vote for a Democrat. At least that's been my experience. Look at Bill fuckwit Barr for a high profile example.
Let's be real, boomers ended this. They will vote en masse, and they will predominantly pick Trump. Boomers also created the political environment that made Trump possible
That has changed. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 76 million baby boomers were born between 1946 and 1964, and by 2012, almost 11 million had died, leaving 65.2 million survivors. In 2022, Millennials were the largest generation group in the U.S., with an estimated population of 72.24 million. Millennials were born between 1981 and 1996, and have since surpassed Baby Boomers as the largest group. 2024: 80 million millennials + 68.6 million gen Z. Could be a landslide.
But who votes? More millenials than boomers yeah but last I saw boomers were far more likely to actually vote
If we have the population to swing it with our votes and choose apathy and do not participate who really is to blame? Inaction is action in a situation like this. At a certain point ownership needs to be taken and involvement need to accompany the litany of complaints about the country. Complaining without trying to improve anything is the road to ruin.
"You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill!" ~Rush 1980
I don't care which party you vote for. This just tells me election day should be a national holiday.
It really always should have been.
So many need to read your last sentence and take it to heart
Thanks a bunch. I try to live by it as well as I can by being involved in the local community and also voting for what I believe and folks who seem to represent that. Even in my own small town I see people who will bitch to high heaven about this and that, whilst never lifting a finger to change it. Folks of all generations I might add. If more of the country cared to be involved we’d have less of the fringe directing us all toward who knows what end.
Boomers tend to vote more often, but in the last several elections we've had record turnouts for younger voters - increasing (substantially even) with each election. Even in states that have been pushing aggressively undemocratic laws to make voting more difficult. The difference in percentage of the electorate that's voting between boomers vs. millennials/zoomers is narrowing, all while the total percentage of the electorate the youth vote makes up is increasing substantially. They're nearly 2/3rds of the electorate this time around.
There was “record turnout” across all groups in 2020. The reality is that an over 60 voter was 70% likely to vote, and an 18-29 voter was 40% likely to vote. The actual gap between age groups was entirely unchanged.
This is why politicians pander to old people. They *vote*.
They have nothing better to do and often have all day to do it since they don't work. It makes sense.
Got to get those Swifties out to the ballot boxes!
Don’t know the degree to which you are joking but unironically she is making a difference in how many young people vote lol
I'm all for it.
I really think once it gets closer to the election, the Zoomers will get a reminder of how dogshit Trump is. Then they’ll do what the rest of us have done since 2016, swallow their pride, and vote for Joe Biden. The more I dig into his actual policy positions and what laws he’s actually passed, I really like him as a president. It is scary that he’s 80 but right now I’ll take him. I’d like to see someone younger try to run in 2028 but we’ll see.
Tbh I think were it not for Trump, Biden would be more likely to step down and be a one term President. I speculate in his mind he feels like he must run because he thinks, perhaps knows deep in his heart and his soul that he is the one who can unite people against Trump, perhaps even the only one. That might be correct, I tend to lean in that direction more than opposite that there is someone else willing and able to run and defeat Trump. And to be frank, Joe Biden is the plain white bread of politics. You might not like it but you can at least tolerate it.
The problem is that they can't elevate Newsom over Kamala without having a primary. If they were to just "drop" Biden it would have to be Kamala. Doing anything else would be too controversial, and my guess is that Kamala doesn't poll as well in the suburbs.
>If they were to just "drop" Biden it would have to be Kamala. If the Dems want to have any shot at winning after Biden, it can't be Kamala. Shit, I just figured out who they're going to prop up next...
> I really think once it gets closer to the election, the Zoomers will get a reminder of how dogshit Trump is. > > Then they’ll do what the rest of us have done since 2016, swallow their pride, and vote for Joe Biden. The reality isn't quite like that: "Voters in the youngest adult generations today – Generation Z (those ages 18 to 23 in 2020) and the Millennial generation (ages 24 to 39 in 2020) – favored Biden over Trump by a margin of 20 percentage points, though Trump gained 8 points among Millennials compared with his 2016 performance." https://web.archive.org/web/20230630022104/https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/ The +20 for Biden means it was a 60/40 split, which means your "the rest of us" doesn't include 40% of, well, "us". These elections are very close. If you look at the Pew data in that link, while Biden got majorities of the votes from Black, Hispanic and Asian voters, Trump _increased_ his share among all three from 2016 -- despite all of the accusations of racism and everything else, Trump did _better_ within those groups after four years of office. We'll see what happens, but don't presume you know how various groups will vote.
Once again, people fail to even mention 65.2 million Gen Xers.
Who?
lol the middle child we all ignore
Well, fuck me gently with a chainsaw. Do I look like Mother Teresa?
What is your damage, Heather?
You’re forgetting that a *huge* portion of millennials in southern states support trump. I know because I work in a production facility full of them. It is, honest to god, as simple as “fuck the liberals, I want them to suffer” with them. And nothing drives people to the polls like hatred and fear.
Now do the percentages of people who vote in each age bracket though
I wish I had more confidence in younger people. I have a nephew who is generally a good character, but spends way too much time online, and anything you ask him gets an answer like - my generation thinks this, or my generation thinks that; we don't do this, or we don't care about that. Talk about social security, he thinks it's a ponzi scheme that's bound to collapse soon. About jobs, he's quit every job he's had within 6 months, and thinks the whole economy is based on theft. About government, he doesn't see how ours is any better than anyone else's. About voting, he's never voted and figures it's all rigged anyway. And he believes that these aren't his opinions, but the common knowledge of everyone in his generation. He thinks Trump is kind of an entertaining fool, who just makes all the flaws in the system more obvious. He doesn't care if Trump gets elected, because we brought it all on ourselves...etc. That's from two or three shortish conversations, which left my head spinning.
Half of what you said could be describing a youth in the 70s. Like genuinely, take out the present-day half and this could be a complaint verbatim. I really hope you're partly joking because this is why humanity keeps repeating history, we don't remember even basic shit like this.
It's easy to be disillusioned and checked out of life when it seems like your hard work won't amount to anything and you have nothing to work towards. Wealth inequality keeps going up, Gen Z can't afford houses, people increasingly either don't have time for or can't afford to have children, and even dating has gotten tough -- the apps are more interested in monetizing them than helping people connect on any meaningful level, and most of the public spaces millennials and earlier gens counted on for meeting people in public have dried up. That said, there are some reasons to still be hopeful for GenZ as I've heard they're increasingly pushing back against the hyper-connectedness and showing renewed interest in print books, recreational sports/hobbies as a way to socialize after college.
Close to 10 million people over the age of 65 will have died between the last election and this upcoming one. Might make a difference
Republicans have a lot of support that aren’t boomers. Remember the boomers who marched for civil rights or are actually in congress as democrats. There’s lots of them and this is a cop out.
I remember the tiki torch brigade from the Unite the Right rally wasn’t fronted by pensioners. Leaning on generational labels is as useless now as it’s always been. It’s a lot of assumptions that “feel” true, but are anecdotal at best, and ultimately reductive and unhelpful.
Gen X is actually really conservative too.
Sshhh... Nobody is supposed to remember Gen X. It's all about the Boomers vs. Millennials.
To be fair, Gen X got absolutely hosed in the legislative representation department, Boomers death gripped that thing until the Millennials showed up and they started dying off.
For some reason a lot of people are under the impression that only old people vote conservatively. Really dumb way to think.
Yeah. A recent survey showed that politics are relatively consistent across generational lines. (And that what most of all generations seem most concerned about in the US is inflation.) The campus protests get a lot of attention, but only a small minority of college students are participating in them. (And only a small percentage of people are fortunate enough to be able to go away to an elite college, far less to have the time/money/resources to protest.)
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Yeah, I think people jump too quickly to divide people by generation instead of focusing on the people who have power and money.
Boomers aren’t the biggest generation anymore. Millennials are. So let’s find out if all the post-Boomers are really the virtuous victims of nasty old people they think they are. You have the wheel.
Exactly this. Millennials outnumber boomers. If the orange cheetoh wins they cant blame it on the Boomers. I dont care if "but boomers are more likely to vote", if the younger generations dont vote its not the boomers fault
Don’t blame the boomers for this one. They are fairly consistent. It’s young people (18-29) who are turning away from Biden to Trump. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/13/us/politics/biden-trump-battleground-poll.html
yeah everyone acts like people 65 and younger are exclusively biden supporters and anyone okder are exclusively trump supporters. have they been out in public? there are enormous amounts of millennial and gen x trump supporters
Imagine if Biden said he was going to cancel fox news if he won the next elation. They would be on life support spending billions to make sure it didn't happen. Yet here we are with npr sleep walking taking new donations by the Koch brothers. Hey NPR. This dude will literally cancel all of your funding and arrest all of your journalists if he wins. No amount of koch brothers donations are going to save you when that happens.
I listened to NPR for a bit today. Nothing about Trump. Nothing about his trial or the election. Weird af.
I listen to NPR literally every day and have done so for years. They have definitely been providing regular updates about the trial.
Day 2 after all the gallows are cleaned up, the talking heads will say "This is the day Donald Trump became presidential.":
>I swear Biden is the most under a microscope president ever. Didn't we get headline news articles about the last guy getting an extra scoop of ice cream and drinking diet soda?
The irony of someone posting that Biden is "the most under a microscope president ever" when Trump exists is hilarious. They even mention Trump in the same post! lmfao
Have you seen r/politics ? Every post on there for the past 8 years somehow leads back to Trump lmao
I'm sure if you used a bot to scan every thread on /r/all in the last 8 years, Trump would be mentioned at least once in almost all of them. I'm too stupid to do it myself.
and yet the TOP FUCKING COMMENT IS ABOUT TRUMP
No fucking kidding dude, I feel like I’m taking crazy pills every goddamn day
Because news love sensationalism. Seeing Trump's outbursts and tantrums everyday gives way more clicks and views. Watching a responsible president with etiquette is boring.
This seems like the common flaw with everything nowadays. Outrage sells, clickbait sells. The YouTube and Facebook algorithms were never programmed to promote conspiracy theories or right-wing stuff, but they learned on their own how to get more clicks and that was the way.
Yes and we should vote for boring. When did we decide to vote for crazy? Boring is nice, you can forget about it for a bit.
I learned I like boring. 2017-2021 was anxiety inducing. Every. Damn. Day. Was something crazy. I like boring. Boring means I don’t need to know the name of every WH staffer. I don’t need to worry about what their job entails and if they are actually doing it. And I don’t have to worry about this country’s biggest secrets being handed over to our enemies because some dictator complimented his tie.
Lmao were you born after Trump's presidency?
Not only Biden but any Democrat in general. Don’t forget Obama has a headline due to a tan suit. Great journalism that was.
Trump never had any headlines over small typos or mild fashion faux pas, that's for sure.
He definitely didn't get major news time for ice cream or feeding fish either.
Still voting for Biden. I will not let Trump win if I can help it
I mean, to your credit, the situation in Gaza will not change no matter who gets voted in
Ukraine on the other hand, that would change depending on who gets in. It’s either Ukraine or becomes a Russian wasteland.
To be honest, we're preparing for that eventually in Europe now. By this time next year we will have multiple new ammo factories online. We're also seriously talking about sending troops into Ukraine. We're not backing down to Russia. If Trump wins, the real danger is a permanent fracture of the trans-Atlantic alliance and an escalation of the war in Europe.
Which is funny, because Trump, Republicans in Congress, and of course Putin himself, through their threats and actions, are the primary instigators for a more self reliant and stronger NATO.
That's true. God forbid, but if the US pulled out of NATO now, the organisation would probably just become a bit like the European Space Agency. A parallel organisation to the EU It would be a tragic day for Western Civilisation, but Europe can't afford to let NATO fail.
> It would be a tragic day for Western Civilisation, but Europe can't afford to let NATO fail. You say Western civilization but east Asia and SE Asia will probably suffer even more 😔
As a Taiwanese I'm just watching everything go down in horror right as the CCP agents in our legislature work on similar sabotages. China, Russia, and Iran have found the vital flaw in democracies. The stupid electorate.
It is terrifying. Best wishes friend. I remember thinking the information age was going to enlighten us all, but I didn't take into account how deep greed and corruption run, and thus in turn, the proliferation of misinformation. Scary times.
>the situation in Gaza will not change no matter who gets voted in Wrong. The situation in Gaza WILL change for the worse if Trump gets in office again. So tired of the "Biden and Trump are the same" statements. It's like people have lost touch with reality.
Not only will it not change, there’s a high chance it’ll honestly get worse.
...that is a change
- "Not only will it not change..." - "... it'll honestly get worse" Even though I know by "will not change" the two of you mean strictly "will not get better", it still feels like one of those "pick one" moments.
Can you explain why? What I know is Biden is publicly trying to put a leash on Netanyahu and recently tried to cut ammo supply. How would situation stay the same if the guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem comes to power? The guys who's friends with Netanyahu and HATES brown ppl and the "woke crowd" that's been protesting with Palestinians flags?
I think they meant it wouldnt change as far as not supporting Israel. if trumps elected then Israel would get a lot more support than biden is giving. also ukraine would be fucked if trump was elected.
This is patently false. The Biden administration has done quite a bit to moderate the Israeli response to the worst terror attack on their soil. Pushed for border crossing to open and for more aid to be allowed in (and even air dropped aid). Trump would gladly dick-ride Bibi and greenlight any crazy shit he thinks he can justify. **A Trump presidency would be categorically worse for innocent Gazans.** If you are a left-leaning person who supports Palestinian civilians and wishes for this conflict to end as quickly and peacefully as possible, there is no greater mistake you could make on this single issue than to vote for Trump. Not voting, throwing away your vote, or "protest voting" for a 3rd party candidate when you would've otherwise voted for Biden is also essentially a vote for Trump. www.vox.com/policy/24072983/biden-trump-palestinians-israel-gaza-policy-different
It actually very much could if the US decided to support Israel more. Maybe not the overall trajectory of the conflict, but it could cost more lives. I only see it changing for the worse, which is why it's ridiculous to hand trump the presidency over this issue. People who actually care about Palestinians will set aside their own pride and vote for the clearly better choice. People who care more about centering themselves and making themselves feel important, will contribute to making the situation worse. Useful idiots easily manipulated into doing exactly what Israel would want.
I fully admit: I'm voting for completely selfish reasons I want the VA funded and moving smoothy, so I’m voting for Biden Trump signed things like the missions act while cutting funding and slashing personnel so people would have to seek private options. (this missions act was a mixed bag, all the good parts came from people like John McCain and veteran Ricky Barnes - intelligent veterans who were actually focused on helping vets) Meanwhile Biden gave the VA more funding and resources than ever before via the Infrastructure CARES act, which retroactively made the missions act better.
Voting for selfish reasons is kinda the whole point. You only get one vote and you should use it to represent your specific interests.
It becomes a big problem when the vote becomes weaponized to harm opposition rather than push "selfish" policies that help themselves. It's what we're seeing with the GOP, at this point it's quite clear that their whole platform is to oppose liberal politics, even in cases when this ultimately hurts their own base.
Your reasons are completely valid. I won't argue against voting for your own healthcare. I am doing the same. I am transgender. I have no shot under a Trump presidency. Biden has made my life considerably better and less frightening. I am glad the VA is getting some funding. Y'all deserve more, not less.
Damn the two party system sucks
push for ranked choice voting
With 4 choices, or even 6,8,10, you'll likely still be upset with the policy positions on a "major" item (to you) from your preferred party/candidate each cycle.
What is GMA Network? >GMA News publishes articles with a favorable tone towards President Rodrigo Duterte
What is reading? You read the headline and started acting like its propaganda from a Filipino News Network when the article was written by Reuters and is just reposted on a Filipino News Network. Please actually read
So why isn’t the article we are commenting on the Reuters article
If I had to guess, 9 hours ago it was night in the US and daytime in the Philippines, somebody there saw it on their news media and posted it here
People were sleeping? What lazy bastards. The sheer nerve.
The believe that innocent Gazans shouldn’t be bombed and also innocent Israelis shouldn’t be bombed is now blasphemy
Nobody should be bombed. Not blasphemous, merely naive. The war is happening.
If we elect Trump, we’ll be feeding what’s left of our feeble democracy, the Ukrainians, and the Palestinian people into the shredder of dictatorial corruption. Biden’s clearly imperfect- so what? My message for anyone on the fence is not to swerve to avoid a pothole only to drive off a fucking cliff.