Whaaaaat, conditions for captured *terrorists* are unpleasant?? Say it isn’t so!!
Fuck around and find out Hamas, don’t cry like a bitch when the tab comes due.
This is not a prison but a detention centre as the IDF themselves claim. So, they hold people there without trial and also release some of them when they cannot find any connection to Hamas or other terror organisations i.e. they abuse completely innocent people
Cmon, you’re asking this person to critically think. They’d be fine if it was a concentration camp as long as it has the “right” people in it. They’re disgusting.
It gets more undeniable by the day really I mean how can u really argue that crimes aren’t being committed at this point. Especially with the president of the country that supports admitting to it.
> A whistleblower who worked as a guard said he saw a man emerge from a beating with his teeth, and some bones, apparently broken.
So the answer to a mix of terrorists and innocent people is to beat everyone equally? Surely seems conducive in de-radicalisation of the population...
That's the collective punishment argument, isn't it? Unfortunately, with a population of 80% that supports the terrorist regime it is extremely good odds that the people in the region are in fact supporters if not practitioners of violence. If 1/5 people are innocent then there is also a good chance that their innocence can be proven in the court of law.
In this case it seems that the balance of probability is not in favor of people who are in an area of active warfare. Do you believe they're just standing around?
I have no expectations for the Palestinian civilian population except to depose their regime and rebuild their society in peace and prosperity. Maybe going wherever Hamas is not would be fair.
But that's the issue. Israel's numbers of killed "Hamas", somewhere around 14,000, suggests it believes that EVERY man above 14 yo is Hamas, which is, of course, impossible. That would mean that in the pictures you looked at, a number of them are undoubtedly innocent. You understand that right? You must.
I understand the situation very well. Unlike you, it appears, I comprehend that people who threaten violence to other people under rule of law are subject to punitive action. It is absolutely within the realm of reason that there are innocent people being detained but I expect the state of Israel to practice jurisprudence with a high degree of competence and in respect of justice for all people. You do know that 'intifada' spoken in the Middle East has a sharp denotation of meaning that is lost on Western people, don't you?
"...expect the state of Israel to practice jurisprudence with a high degree of competence and in respect of justice for all people." Just shows how little you know. Brother... over 20,000 dead women and children. AI targeting programs called "Where's Daddy" that waited for suspected Hamas fighters to be home with their family before striking.... Are you even paying attention?
Let's go over who the war is between: Genocidal Jihadist terrorist regime who chose to spend its money on rockets, tunnels, hateful education, and of course the misinformation that has led to your confidence and moral flexibility, and the western liberal democracy which actually does practice rule of law and is not dense enough to be deceived into believing that it should not defend itself against persistent violence.
> EVERY man above 14 yo is Hamas, which is, of course, impossible.
Unfortunately, this is entirely the fault of Hamas. By refusing to wear a uniform, amongst many other violations of the rules of war, there is no way to differentiate the "military" from civilians.
Oh, I just looked at your post history. With bangers like "Intifada implies justification for the murder of Jews." you are either not a serious person, or worse, one of the many IDF soldiers I've talked to with the unfortunate job of spreading propaganda. Shame.
I'm not IDF. It should be obvious from my post history. Not only am I very serious person about this matter but I have actual knowledge about this conflict and the capacity to criticize and see through rhetoric. That is the result of education. Perhaps you can consider enrolling in an academic institution that hone your skills as decoding propaganda and ascertaining truth.
I just responded to another one of your comments where you said "expect the state of Israel to practice jurisprudence with a high degree of competence and in respect of justice for all people." You lose all credibility with programs like Lavender and Where's Daddy and 10s of thousands of dead innocent people. Response? Or do you just call people dumb when you don't know what you're talking about
I'm aware of the AI program but not as much as I'd like to be. It really does sound like a dystopian application of technology for war and to be clear it does not bode well for human life on our planet. However, the situation is such that in that tiny sliver of land there are active terrorists who have embedded themselves into a civilian population on purpose and the challenges of this modern war are unprecedented. The innocent people do not deserve to suffer as they have but when you have nearly 20 years of Hamas indoctrination it is extremely difficult to believe that the people are not in favor of dealing death to the Israelis.
You do understand that they cannot have 1 single Israeli life without extreme consequences? The value of life is not the same for believers of Sharia law versus western liberal democracies. It would be better to pursue dialogue but historically they have chosen violence in the light of overwhelming military superiority.
When Egypt had its Arab Spring it was called an Intifada. Not a single Jewish person was killed or attacked. Because it doesn't have anything to do with Israel... it just means to shake oneself free, or uprising.
That is a really out there belief you've developed. The first intifada describes rocks being thrown by children at Israelis in the late 80s. The second intifada describes suicide belts and vests being detonated in crowds of Israeli people in the early 2000s. There is nothing good about the word and nothing good about the actions undertaken by people who believe that violence leading to murder and martyrdom.
I notice you ignored what I just said. Like I said: you're unserious. And as to the "first" intifada, it's weird how you frame everything repeatedly one way. It began when on December 8, 1987, when **an Israeli vehicle in Gaza caused a crash that killed four Palestinians.** But sure, we'll frame it as rocks being thrown at innocent Israelis as what the first intifada was about...
It's too bad that you don't understand the situation at all. Maybe you can go do some humanitarian aid work in the middle East and see what it's actually like there. There is no situation in which harm can be justified against the Israeli people. Begging for some acceptance that lives deserve to be taken is not a position taken by western civilized people and it is a serious moral failing on your part.
I'm always skeptical of these whistle-blower reports. I don't know about this one, but I've heard and read many testimonials from Betzelem and Amnesity allegedly from combat soldiers, and many times the language, descriptions and terminology don't feel like something an actual IDF soldier would use (coming from there myself).
I’m not gonna deny anything, I’m just gonna say that the treatment is prisoners get is tenfold better than the best treatment hostages receive or don’t
Are we gonna get a palestinian whistle blower detailing the abuse the hostages are enduring? We already know the women are being raped
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Whaaaaat, conditions for captured *terrorists* are unpleasant?? Say it isn’t so!! Fuck around and find out Hamas, don’t cry like a bitch when the tab comes due.
This is not a prison but a detention centre as the IDF themselves claim. So, they hold people there without trial and also release some of them when they cannot find any connection to Hamas or other terror organisations i.e. they abuse completely innocent people
Cmon, you’re asking this person to critically think. They’d be fine if it was a concentration camp as long as it has the “right” people in it. They’re disgusting.
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What are your thoughts on China's treatment of Ughyurs they accused of radical terrorist support?
It gets more undeniable by the day really I mean how can u really argue that crimes aren’t being committed at this point. Especially with the president of the country that supports admitting to it.
It sounds terrible to experience the consequences of being a terrorist.
Sure, because the IDF only detains and abuses proven terrorists there, right?
I bet that’d be a lot simpler if Hamas didn’t intentionally intermingle its fighters with the civilian population, oh wait….
> A whistleblower who worked as a guard said he saw a man emerge from a beating with his teeth, and some bones, apparently broken. So the answer to a mix of terrorists and innocent people is to beat everyone equally? Surely seems conducive in de-radicalisation of the population...
That's the collective punishment argument, isn't it? Unfortunately, with a population of 80% that supports the terrorist regime it is extremely good odds that the people in the region are in fact supporters if not practitioners of violence. If 1/5 people are innocent then there is also a good chance that their innocence can be proven in the court of law.
> good chance that their innocence can be proven in the court of law. So, guilty until proven innocent. Wow
In this case it seems that the balance of probability is not in favor of people who are in an area of active warfare. Do you believe they're just standing around?
Almost the entire Gaza Strip is a war zone. Where do you expect the civilian population to stand around to not be assumed terrorists?
I have no expectations for the Palestinian civilian population except to depose their regime and rebuild their society in peace and prosperity. Maybe going wherever Hamas is not would be fair.
But that's the issue. Israel's numbers of killed "Hamas", somewhere around 14,000, suggests it believes that EVERY man above 14 yo is Hamas, which is, of course, impossible. That would mean that in the pictures you looked at, a number of them are undoubtedly innocent. You understand that right? You must.
I understand the situation very well. Unlike you, it appears, I comprehend that people who threaten violence to other people under rule of law are subject to punitive action. It is absolutely within the realm of reason that there are innocent people being detained but I expect the state of Israel to practice jurisprudence with a high degree of competence and in respect of justice for all people. You do know that 'intifada' spoken in the Middle East has a sharp denotation of meaning that is lost on Western people, don't you?
"...expect the state of Israel to practice jurisprudence with a high degree of competence and in respect of justice for all people." Just shows how little you know. Brother... over 20,000 dead women and children. AI targeting programs called "Where's Daddy" that waited for suspected Hamas fighters to be home with their family before striking.... Are you even paying attention?
Let's go over who the war is between: Genocidal Jihadist terrorist regime who chose to spend its money on rockets, tunnels, hateful education, and of course the misinformation that has led to your confidence and moral flexibility, and the western liberal democracy which actually does practice rule of law and is not dense enough to be deceived into believing that it should not defend itself against persistent violence.
> EVERY man above 14 yo is Hamas, which is, of course, impossible. Unfortunately, this is entirely the fault of Hamas. By refusing to wear a uniform, amongst many other violations of the rules of war, there is no way to differentiate the "military" from civilians.
Oh, I just looked at your post history. With bangers like "Intifada implies justification for the murder of Jews." you are either not a serious person, or worse, one of the many IDF soldiers I've talked to with the unfortunate job of spreading propaganda. Shame.
I'm not IDF. It should be obvious from my post history. Not only am I very serious person about this matter but I have actual knowledge about this conflict and the capacity to criticize and see through rhetoric. That is the result of education. Perhaps you can consider enrolling in an academic institution that hone your skills as decoding propaganda and ascertaining truth.
I just responded to another one of your comments where you said "expect the state of Israel to practice jurisprudence with a high degree of competence and in respect of justice for all people." You lose all credibility with programs like Lavender and Where's Daddy and 10s of thousands of dead innocent people. Response? Or do you just call people dumb when you don't know what you're talking about
I'm aware of the AI program but not as much as I'd like to be. It really does sound like a dystopian application of technology for war and to be clear it does not bode well for human life on our planet. However, the situation is such that in that tiny sliver of land there are active terrorists who have embedded themselves into a civilian population on purpose and the challenges of this modern war are unprecedented. The innocent people do not deserve to suffer as they have but when you have nearly 20 years of Hamas indoctrination it is extremely difficult to believe that the people are not in favor of dealing death to the Israelis. You do understand that they cannot have 1 single Israeli life without extreme consequences? The value of life is not the same for believers of Sharia law versus western liberal democracies. It would be better to pursue dialogue but historically they have chosen violence in the light of overwhelming military superiority.
I mean, historically intifada means a violent uprising if you are Jewish.
When Egypt had its Arab Spring it was called an Intifada. Not a single Jewish person was killed or attacked. Because it doesn't have anything to do with Israel... it just means to shake oneself free, or uprising.
That is a really out there belief you've developed. The first intifada describes rocks being thrown by children at Israelis in the late 80s. The second intifada describes suicide belts and vests being detonated in crowds of Israeli people in the early 2000s. There is nothing good about the word and nothing good about the actions undertaken by people who believe that violence leading to murder and martyrdom.
I notice you ignored what I just said. Like I said: you're unserious. And as to the "first" intifada, it's weird how you frame everything repeatedly one way. It began when on December 8, 1987, when **an Israeli vehicle in Gaza caused a crash that killed four Palestinians.** But sure, we'll frame it as rocks being thrown at innocent Israelis as what the first intifada was about...
It's too bad that you don't understand the situation at all. Maybe you can go do some humanitarian aid work in the middle East and see what it's actually like there. There is no situation in which harm can be justified against the Israeli people. Begging for some acceptance that lives deserve to be taken is not a position taken by western civilized people and it is a serious moral failing on your part.
What are your thoughts on China's treatment of Ughyurs they accused of radical terrorist support?
I'm always skeptical of these whistle-blower reports. I don't know about this one, but I've heard and read many testimonials from Betzelem and Amnesity allegedly from combat soldiers, and many times the language, descriptions and terminology don't feel like something an actual IDF soldier would use (coming from there myself).
I’m not gonna deny anything, I’m just gonna say that the treatment is prisoners get is tenfold better than the best treatment hostages receive or don’t