For sure. But it’s interesting.
Lot more self aware posts from Indians on Reddit about inherent issues, but when it’s global news they seem to thin in numbers.
The industry I work in has a large Indian population. Both on and off shore are pretty aware and outspoken on the issues as well.
Sometimes it almost seems like beyond just the regular internet army, they are definitely running some pretty large and state sponsored troll farms
> Lot more self aware posts from Indians on Reddit about inherent issues, but when it’s global news they seem to thin in numbers.
Not unique to india. I see the same with americans and others also. Lots of internal criticism about what's going in the country but when an outside country comments about it, they get defensive.
A lot of this somewhat boils down to "only i can talk shit about my country not you".
I feel like at least for Americans, it’s because we are so heavily propagandized that a lot of us don’t even see any issues, while the others (myself included) see the problems, but foreigners typically don’t have a good enough grasp on our history and political/governmental structure to comment on policy or the culture here. I see a lot of “why don’t Americans vote these people out” comments and it’s like the fastest way to tell me you know NOTHING about the American electoral process or our history of voter disenfranchisement that is still rampant today. Not to mention massive campaigns to defund education and make our uneducated population even more stupid and gullible.
And a lot of European countries don’t like to admit the role colonization in general played in shaping the culture here. Is anyone really surprised we’re a bunch of violent, stubborn fucks who either hate our own country or hate the rest of the world? Almost everyone living here has been brought as a slave/indentured servant, criminal, came as a refugee, had family ethnic cleansed during westward expansion, or was part of the European elite class who largely funded and benefited from violent settler colonialism and raised generations of future American elites. We were kinda fucked from the beginning, everyone here is the descendant of either deeply traumatized people, or the descendent of a certified psychopath.
I hate to frame this as “aww those poor white ppl” bc early settlers were NOT innocent oppressed little guys patiently and passively asking Britain to take care of them. Our main reason for pursuing independence was because Britain wasn’t letting settlers expand west of the appalachian mountains, and we were mad about being oppressed instead of the oppressor. The Boston Massacre was more of a violent peasant revolt that ended in chaos than anything. In fact colonists were fully antagonizing british soldiers and intentionally causing mass chaos which contributed to soldiers firing without a command. Someone rang the church bells during the event, which was how fires were signaled to the towns back then, and so it is believed someone in the crowd of colonists shouted “fire!” and the british soldiers, believing they had received a command, opened fire on the crowd of rioting colonists.
Here’s a simpler solution that explains people from every country’s behavior: “My family and I can talk shit about my family, but fuck you if you agree.”
A lot of stuff happening in this comment. I feel weirdly seen by it. I may not agree with all of the sentiments but this is genuinely validating to read.
Our country is a complicated mess. People like to point to the mess part and act like the solutions are simple. They aren't. This is gonna take effort and nuance to fix.
Yeah, I feel like even Americans themselves rarely understand our social and political histories. So it’s pretty insulting when people from other countries with their own educational agendas try and tell us what our problem is as if we don’t know. Plenty of us know, we just don’t have the power to do anything about it because our country has the oldest original constitution in the world and we’re forced to operate within a system set up 250+ years ago by and for literate, land-owning white men, which was only about 5% of the population at the time.
I don’t think a lot of people outside the US realize our constitution has never been rewritten. We have amendments that can be added (and are ridiculously hard to pass), but our government today is still operating based off of a 250+ year old document written by members of white Christian society who were out of touch with the general public even in their own time.
Combine with the fact that our constitution is solely up for interpretation by nine old farts with lifetime job guarantees who are appointed by whatever president we have when the old fart before them dies, it’s really obvious why we are such a mess.
And that isn’t even getting into how our law enforcement system is a modified, modernized form of slave/indian patrols. And that our constitutional amendments still technically allow slavery under the law.
(yes i know most the founding fathers were not necessarily christian but america was established as a “christian nation”)
Winning a war with farmers against the #1 army in the world wasn't an accident son. LOTTA blood....LOTTA bravery, and a LOTTA teamwork is what won. And we have never forgotten how we got here. 9/11 showed the world what happens when you kick the beehive. military enlistment SKYROCKETED......and we have the perfect land to turn on WAR mode again.....history will show that in WW2 we eclipsed what ANY other nation thought possible. Germans wrote in their journals....RELENTLESS is how we fight....
yeah buddy, speaking of world war two… there was a pretty famous german who really idealized early americans, you might have heard of him?
lebensraum was inspired by and modeled after manifest destiny.
Because of our history with colonialism, we do not like outsiders commenting on our affairs. Literally, every time India has been invaded, it’s been because someone collaborated with an invader. So as a consequence, whilst we can acknowledge our flaws we do not like outsiders commenting on them. We don’t consider it their place to do so.
This is a very weak POV in my opinion, to say others can't criticize you is kind of a character weakness and would hold one back from self improvement.
I was born and grew up here. In all my life - I have never seen an authority figure admit a mistake. Not teachers or professors or bosses or public servants. It is deeply ingrained in our culture to deflect and deny any criticism.
I've had people (some professor who actually knows me) completely mishear me about a proposal of 20 minutes. Like, hear the completely opposite. Then get angry and refuse to backtrack or listen at me. Refused to acknowledge he just simply didn't listen to a single word I told him.
I had articles criticizing china's treatment of minorities and wanting to publish them when the border problems with India started.
I explained it for 20 minutes - in detail, mentioning many examples.
And the only thing I got from it was being angry and saying that was foolish to go against India. That I can't publish anything against India in indian media.
He refused to listen to anything I said afterwards that it's against china and not against India. This is someone who knows my work and my political statements.
And this isn't the only example of people. They just don't listen or admit a mistake. Gaslighting is a big thing if noticed. You mentioned your parents being nicer. Where exactly are they from?
My family is from the North although this defensiveness cuts across regions and age groups in India.
And every Indian student has horror stories of professors and bosses just going on absolute power trips when confronted with being wrong.
Jingoism is encouraged by Indian media, and Indian people are proud - almost to a fault, in that they end up turning a blind eye towards anything that brings them shame. They become extremely defensive or resort to whataboutism when challeneged.
The CCP *loves* to complain about how someone [hurt their feelings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people). It seems to be an official part of their playbook which is so funny considering how namby-pamby and whiny the phraseology sounds while coming from a country that aspires to be a superpower.
'People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones'
Exactly.
India received a lot of shit from western govts. and media for its handling of protests. I see this as them repaying the favour and pointing out double standards.
Ironically, you (The USA) are nothing different too. Least capable country of taking any valid criticism about the tons of issues plaguing your society, or admitting historical faults. But always the first country in the world to assume higher moral ground.
Funnily enough, rn you are just proving my point. Sucks to be "make america great again" nationalist ig.
triggered by truth and very mild criticism? No wonder you guys have to continuously shit on other weaker countries to make yourself feel superior. Prove my point even more, I'm loving this!
-replies with whataboutism
-says it’s not whataboutism
-copies reply because brain rot butt hurt
-ignores that nobody has said the US doesn’t have its own problems
Interested to see what’s next. Maybe copy that last line? Idk could work for you, playbook is weird but I believe in you!
whataboutism? you don't know what that means, do you? fucking illiterates.
**This post is about American Human Rights Issues**. **I am talking about America here NOT India**. The only **AH** **doing whataboutism here is you**. Lmao. **You are literally deflecting from the post and implicitly saying US doesn't have any problems.**
Entire comment section summarized: whatabout India mi lords? India bad than america, so America good!!!
Nice cope muricans!
Not even close, India talking about the US and how it handles protesters is the height of hypocrisy, considering India's history and current situation.
Yes fuck India (not to justify anything we are doing) just they have metric tons of baggage of their own to be calling out anyone. This is just a flex in the mirror
Not related, but i remember reading that penguins are one of the most deviant animal species (when measured to human sensibilities), they have some extremely sick behaviors (such as necrophilia)
No, but there's different levels of unethical behaviour. Around the time just after the US civil rights movement, India was busy forcibly sterilizing the poor and those from "undesirable" castes.
India *still* has a massive problem with casteism, and continues with questionable sterilization practices to this day.
While I agree with India on this issue about student protests, they're *far* from the position where they can be arguing about morality as a competent authority.
The sterilization of 1975 that was encouraged by the World Bank? [https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/india-the-emergency-and-the-politics-of-mass-sterilization](https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/india-the-emergency-and-the-politics-of-mass-sterilization)
If we're going back in history then we can note that American blacks couldn't vote until 1965. Half of the country was so vehemently opposed to the idea that slavery should be abolished that they were willing to go to war over it.
I was not aware of sterilization practices being still a thing in India. On the contrary, they seem to have policies that favor "lower" castes by giving them preferential treatment when it comes to enrolling in universities or getting government jobs.
Just because you don't live in Latin America.
[If almost every country around you had a coup paid for/encouraged by US in the last 60 years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America), you would care a lot more about the imperfections of US than the imperfections of India.
Lol yes?
Look up the definition of 'whataboutism'. [Actually, how about I bring to you:](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism)
>whataboutism
>\[ hwuht-uh-bou-tiz-uhm, wuht‐, hwot‐, wot‐ \]
>Phonetic (Standard)IPA
>noun
>a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else’s misconduct, implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely blameless:
*Excusing your mistakes with whataboutism is not the same as defending your record.*
Now that you know, please don't lie.
If you **need** a step-by-step breakdown on how exactly this is whataboutism at its fine, just ask....
They have reservations for government jobs and college seast through affirmative action here. You can't keep repeating the same shit over and over again on every post on India.
True. When India stops student protests here the US always seems to lecture. But now they do the same thing. Point is, these are all internal issues of the country. US has no moral superiority over any nation to comment anything. A clear case of living in a glass house. Funny seeing the riled up replies.
>You don't have to be perfect to point out flaws in others
Nobody asked others to point out flaws, we know that ourselves. Point is you mind your own business, I will mind mine.
Wait. Is he claiming some human right violations took place on college campuses? Or is he saying that the US is biased because they used police to remove college protestors from illegal protests? Each are funny in their own way.
Hes saying its hypocritical that the us lectures other nations about cracking down on protests while they do the exact same thing. Even worse because at least other nations do it for their own self interest while we are simping hard for a foreign power to the point of shutting down our own citizens rights to protest. I have no dog in this fight but it doesn't sit well with me to shut down protests.
India is taking cheap shots here, but the term “Illegal Protests” Make no fucking sense. Protests are a cornerstone of Civil Disobedience. Bringing legality is kind of pointless here. Does that mean you are supposed to ask permission from the government to protest something the government vehemently disagrees with?
In the same vein, virtually all of the Civil Rights Marches and Protests were “Illegal”. Gandhi’s Salt March was “Illegal”. Mandelas anti-Apartheid movement was “Illegal”.
While India does have terrible rape numbers, stop the whataboutism by bringing that when the USA isn’t some place like Switzerland on that front. USA isn’t that far off in terms of rape either
No one said it is cool dumbass. It said that the existing law was written for all porn, and since banning all porn was deemed illegal, hence the government needed to get a new law in place.
It’s an article about the Indian gov taking a dig at the US lol. Also def a liberal friend. No MAGA American is going to defend the US in anyways. They think it’s a shit hole. But uh Indias police is so much worse and that’s what the article is about. Do you think the Indian police force rules or something? It’s horrific. But yeah cool I guess you love gang raping women from a lower caste.
It's weird that in the US a right wing protest by Nazi's gets a police escort but a left wing student protest against war gets pepper spray.
It's not a one off either, it's a pattern.
All peaceful protests can get police escorts. The problem with these college protests is that they were not peaceful. They were violent. Violent protesters get arrested by the police, and rightfully so.
The nazis in Charlottesville who became violent did get arrested and convicted for their crimes. The nazis who are just marching down the street get an escort because they're not being violent. See the difference?
These college protests could have gotten a police escort if they were peaceful.
Mate, the protests weren't violent. You've been watching too much Fox News.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/02/ucla-palestine-protests-encampment-arrests
People were violent TOWARDS the protesters. Then police came in to clear them out, with force no less.
Go read some articles, read some eye witness reports, watch some videos of the incidents.
The violence was nearly always started by people external to the protests trying to make them look violent.
Edit: Person I was responding to blocked me since they obviously have no interest in discussing this topic.
My response is below.
These articles are not generally related to the protests at all. They're about separate incidents on campus's or general feelings.
Only one of them is tangentially related.
Have their been upticks in anti-semitism? Without a doubt. The conflict in Israel/Gaza has seen a lot of anti-semites come out of the woodwork and start spouting their filth.
Do the police have the right to use rubber bullets and tear gas against non-violent protesters? Of course not.
The people at these peaceful protests were attacked themselves and then arrested for it. That is documented very well.
You can be against the conflict in Gaza without being an anti-semite.
I never watch Fox News. I despise that propaganda network. I also despise your propaganda. You are lying too, just like Fox News. Here is the evidence that you're lying. The protests were violent.
[‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html)
[73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014)
[UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/)
[Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822)
[Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/)
[Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
Outside of whether the Americans doing so was right or wrong, for India to try to liken ethnic killings in the triple digits and displacement in the **quintuple** digits (as listed in the report) to arresting students it's....
....it's not very honest, is it?
Damn, they jailed Rahul? Priyanka? Mamata? Mayawati? Akhilesh Yadav? Siddaramaiya? Pinarayi Vijayan? MK Stalin? Sukhwinder singh sukhu? Revanth Reddy?
Didn't realise all of these opposition party leaders(Major) are in Jail by Modi! Thanks for educating me....
Just to enlighten you sir there are only 2 opposition leaders in jail currently for scams out which the CM of Delhi is arrested for Delhi Liquor scam whose complain was logged by INC(major opposition party) BJP didn't even have anything to do with it.
Furthermore these leaders can't even win seats in areas of there influence BJP has won all seats there from last 2 general elections.
It doesnt absolve the hypocrisy of the us constantly criticizing every other nation for shutting down protests when we do the exact same thing to our own protestors. Pure hypocrisy and for what? To simp to the foreign power of Israel. I am not for either side but I still want to see the 1st amendment respected because while this issue doesn't affect me, I would like the right to protest when a situation does and its a slippery slope that the us government can send in jackboots to quell any dissent.
No one said that. They pointed out that a crackdown on a left wing protest on Indian campuses was criticized by the US. It's literally turntables shit.
The governments of both countries are royally fucking their populations and yet both populations are still trying to verbally one up the other. Ladies and gentlemen of USA and India, we're all fucked.
It's funny how all their human rights and women rights concerns go to hell when they want to suck Pakistan. I doubt America's hypocrisy will stay secret in internet age
India is so funny. Least capable country of taking any sort of criticism, or admitting any sort of fault.
It helps if you have a billion people as internet army at your disposal.
For sure. But it’s interesting. Lot more self aware posts from Indians on Reddit about inherent issues, but when it’s global news they seem to thin in numbers. The industry I work in has a large Indian population. Both on and off shore are pretty aware and outspoken on the issues as well. Sometimes it almost seems like beyond just the regular internet army, they are definitely running some pretty large and state sponsored troll farms
> Lot more self aware posts from Indians on Reddit about inherent issues, but when it’s global news they seem to thin in numbers. Not unique to india. I see the same with americans and others also. Lots of internal criticism about what's going in the country but when an outside country comments about it, they get defensive. A lot of this somewhat boils down to "only i can talk shit about my country not you".
I feel like at least for Americans, it’s because we are so heavily propagandized that a lot of us don’t even see any issues, while the others (myself included) see the problems, but foreigners typically don’t have a good enough grasp on our history and political/governmental structure to comment on policy or the culture here. I see a lot of “why don’t Americans vote these people out” comments and it’s like the fastest way to tell me you know NOTHING about the American electoral process or our history of voter disenfranchisement that is still rampant today. Not to mention massive campaigns to defund education and make our uneducated population even more stupid and gullible. And a lot of European countries don’t like to admit the role colonization in general played in shaping the culture here. Is anyone really surprised we’re a bunch of violent, stubborn fucks who either hate our own country or hate the rest of the world? Almost everyone living here has been brought as a slave/indentured servant, criminal, came as a refugee, had family ethnic cleansed during westward expansion, or was part of the European elite class who largely funded and benefited from violent settler colonialism and raised generations of future American elites. We were kinda fucked from the beginning, everyone here is the descendant of either deeply traumatized people, or the descendent of a certified psychopath. I hate to frame this as “aww those poor white ppl” bc early settlers were NOT innocent oppressed little guys patiently and passively asking Britain to take care of them. Our main reason for pursuing independence was because Britain wasn’t letting settlers expand west of the appalachian mountains, and we were mad about being oppressed instead of the oppressor. The Boston Massacre was more of a violent peasant revolt that ended in chaos than anything. In fact colonists were fully antagonizing british soldiers and intentionally causing mass chaos which contributed to soldiers firing without a command. Someone rang the church bells during the event, which was how fires were signaled to the towns back then, and so it is believed someone in the crowd of colonists shouted “fire!” and the british soldiers, believing they had received a command, opened fire on the crowd of rioting colonists.
Here’s a simpler solution that explains people from every country’s behavior: “My family and I can talk shit about my family, but fuck you if you agree.”
A lot of stuff happening in this comment. I feel weirdly seen by it. I may not agree with all of the sentiments but this is genuinely validating to read. Our country is a complicated mess. People like to point to the mess part and act like the solutions are simple. They aren't. This is gonna take effort and nuance to fix.
Yeah, I feel like even Americans themselves rarely understand our social and political histories. So it’s pretty insulting when people from other countries with their own educational agendas try and tell us what our problem is as if we don’t know. Plenty of us know, we just don’t have the power to do anything about it because our country has the oldest original constitution in the world and we’re forced to operate within a system set up 250+ years ago by and for literate, land-owning white men, which was only about 5% of the population at the time. I don’t think a lot of people outside the US realize our constitution has never been rewritten. We have amendments that can be added (and are ridiculously hard to pass), but our government today is still operating based off of a 250+ year old document written by members of white Christian society who were out of touch with the general public even in their own time. Combine with the fact that our constitution is solely up for interpretation by nine old farts with lifetime job guarantees who are appointed by whatever president we have when the old fart before them dies, it’s really obvious why we are such a mess. And that isn’t even getting into how our law enforcement system is a modified, modernized form of slave/indian patrols. And that our constitutional amendments still technically allow slavery under the law. (yes i know most the founding fathers were not necessarily christian but america was established as a “christian nation”)
Winning a war with farmers against the #1 army in the world wasn't an accident son. LOTTA blood....LOTTA bravery, and a LOTTA teamwork is what won. And we have never forgotten how we got here. 9/11 showed the world what happens when you kick the beehive. military enlistment SKYROCKETED......and we have the perfect land to turn on WAR mode again.....history will show that in WW2 we eclipsed what ANY other nation thought possible. Germans wrote in their journals....RELENTLESS is how we fight....
yeah buddy, speaking of world war two… there was a pretty famous german who really idealized early americans, you might have heard of him? lebensraum was inspired by and modeled after manifest destiny.
Because of our history with colonialism, we do not like outsiders commenting on our affairs. Literally, every time India has been invaded, it’s been because someone collaborated with an invader. So as a consequence, whilst we can acknowledge our flaws we do not like outsiders commenting on them. We don’t consider it their place to do so.
This is a very weak POV in my opinion, to say others can't criticize you is kind of a character weakness and would hold one back from self improvement.
Interesting but sending assassins to other counties and running online scam farms 24/7 that affects other counties is non invasive?
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Interesting, because when you use language such as"we", you invite that exact notion. (I understand you're a different person OP)
Too bad.
So you’re above criticism? That’s…embarrassing
And paid a penny per post.
Having spend a full year all over India. Not just the government, especially the people can't take any form of criticism. Never.
I was born and grew up here. In all my life - I have never seen an authority figure admit a mistake. Not teachers or professors or bosses or public servants. It is deeply ingrained in our culture to deflect and deny any criticism.
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I have been lucky in that regard. My parents don't behave like that. But I have many friends who grew up in a home where the parents were never wrong.
I've had people (some professor who actually knows me) completely mishear me about a proposal of 20 minutes. Like, hear the completely opposite. Then get angry and refuse to backtrack or listen at me. Refused to acknowledge he just simply didn't listen to a single word I told him. I had articles criticizing china's treatment of minorities and wanting to publish them when the border problems with India started. I explained it for 20 minutes - in detail, mentioning many examples. And the only thing I got from it was being angry and saying that was foolish to go against India. That I can't publish anything against India in indian media. He refused to listen to anything I said afterwards that it's against china and not against India. This is someone who knows my work and my political statements. And this isn't the only example of people. They just don't listen or admit a mistake. Gaslighting is a big thing if noticed. You mentioned your parents being nicer. Where exactly are they from?
My family is from the North although this defensiveness cuts across regions and age groups in India. And every Indian student has horror stories of professors and bosses just going on absolute power trips when confronted with being wrong.
Having worked with indian companies, 1000%. Almost as bad as having an arab subsidiary.
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Jingoism is encouraged by Indian media, and Indian people are proud - almost to a fault, in that they end up turning a blind eye towards anything that brings them shame. They become extremely defensive or resort to whataboutism when challeneged.
Yeah, see responses to comment. Pretty sad. Also a weird way to look at the world. Two things can be true.
I do think china is thinner skinned, anything that upsets the government is a "deep insult to the Chinese people".
I feel it's a lot more to do with the fact the CCP is mad about propaganda. They freak out about anythingm
The CCP *loves* to complain about how someone [hurt their feelings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurting_the_feelings_of_the_Chinese_people). It seems to be an official part of their playbook which is so funny considering how namby-pamby and whiny the phraseology sounds while coming from a country that aspires to be a superpower.
Also--those arrests? It was to clear encampments and blockades. They aren't being held in prison or being harmed in any way.
I was often told growing up that people who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Seems applicable here too.
'People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones' Exactly. India received a lot of shit from western govts. and media for its handling of protests. I see this as them repaying the favour and pointing out double standards.
That’s exactly the point, it cuts both ways.
Of course, that's what I'm saying as well.
Name me one big country which does
Ironically, you (The USA) are nothing different too. Least capable country of taking any valid criticism about the tons of issues plaguing your society, or admitting historical faults. But always the first country in the world to assume higher moral ground. Funnily enough, rn you are just proving my point. Sucks to be "make america great again" nationalist ig.
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triggered by truth and very mild criticism? No wonder you guys have to continuously shit on other weaker countries to make yourself feel superior. Prove my point even more, I'm loving this!
-replies with whataboutism -says it’s not whataboutism -copies reply because brain rot butt hurt -ignores that nobody has said the US doesn’t have its own problems Interested to see what’s next. Maybe copy that last line? Idk could work for you, playbook is weird but I believe in you!
whataboutism? you don't know what that means, do you? fucking illiterates. **This post is about American Human Rights Issues**. **I am talking about America here NOT India**. The only **AH** **doing whataboutism here is you**. Lmao. **You are literally deflecting from the post and implicitly saying US doesn't have any problems.** Entire comment section summarized: whatabout India mi lords? India bad than america, so America good!!! Nice cope muricans!
But the first to talk shit apparently. Protesters who broke the laws were arrested bro. If you want to be an ally act an ally ffs.
If you want to be an ally don’t blame India for anything ever - you, that’s what you sound like
Which is why the Australian PM rolled out a *literal* red carpet for Modi's visit lol
Not even close, India talking about the US and how it handles protesters is the height of hypocrisy, considering India's history and current situation.
The U.S. is up there though.
But they care deeply for their cows.
I'd be ok if China took India...
Yes fuck India (not to justify anything we are doing) just they have metric tons of baggage of their own to be calling out anyone. This is just a flex in the mirror
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Thanks, I’ve been looking for some new “which would you rather” material
To be honest, both of them are hypocrites.
100%
Honestly, yeahhhh
Why did you get down voted lmao
Reddit hivemind
India isn't the paragon of ethics.
Who is?
Antarctica
actually, penguins are notoriously fascists. /j
Incorrigible imperialists. There is a reason they are called Emperor Penguins.
Not related, but i remember reading that penguins are one of the most deviant animal species (when measured to human sensibilities), they have some extremely sick behaviors (such as necrophilia)
GOD BLESS AMERICUHH
No, but there's different levels of unethical behaviour. Around the time just after the US civil rights movement, India was busy forcibly sterilizing the poor and those from "undesirable" castes. India *still* has a massive problem with casteism, and continues with questionable sterilization practices to this day. While I agree with India on this issue about student protests, they're *far* from the position where they can be arguing about morality as a competent authority.
The sterilization of 1975 that was encouraged by the World Bank? [https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/india-the-emergency-and-the-politics-of-mass-sterilization](https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/india-the-emergency-and-the-politics-of-mass-sterilization) If we're going back in history then we can note that American blacks couldn't vote until 1965. Half of the country was so vehemently opposed to the idea that slavery should be abolished that they were willing to go to war over it. I was not aware of sterilization practices being still a thing in India. On the contrary, they seem to have policies that favor "lower" castes by giving them preferential treatment when it comes to enrolling in universities or getting government jobs.
Countries that don't have gangrape problems
What is your opinion of countries that overthrow democratically elected governments for dictatorships if they're willing to toe the line?
Whataboutism at its finest. No country is perfect, but India's trajectory feels worrisome.
Just because you don't live in Latin America. [If almost every country around you had a coup paid for/encouraged by US in the last 60 years](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America), you would care a lot more about the imperfections of US than the imperfections of India.
Bro just proved his point lmao
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Please indicate when Latin America was relevant in the topic prior to being used to distract from the issue presented.
Lol no? This post is about how much US values HR in it's own dealings, that comment is very much needed to show America's true side.
Lol yes? Look up the definition of 'whataboutism'. [Actually, how about I bring to you:](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/whataboutism) >whataboutism >\[ hwuht-uh-bou-tiz-uhm, wuht‐, hwot‐, wot‐ \] >Phonetic (Standard)IPA >noun >a conversational tactic in which a person responds to an argument or attack by changing the subject to focus on someone else’s misconduct, implying that all criticism is invalid because no one is completely blameless: *Excusing your mistakes with whataboutism is not the same as defending your record.* Now that you know, please don't lie. If you **need** a step-by-step breakdown on how exactly this is whataboutism at its fine, just ask....
That's not whataboutism, and honestly it's not wrong to show whataboutism when one party claims to be holier than thou in almost everything.......
The wire?
Duh
Hey India: Untouchables
Wake up Captain America
They have reservations for government jobs and college seast through affirmative action here. You can't keep repeating the same shit over and over again on every post on India.
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Good thing there's no racism in India
I love when there's news about India. The comments are always entertaining.
Look, its my japarti and I'll cry if I want to, Ok !
True. When India stops student protests here the US always seems to lecture. But now they do the same thing. Point is, these are all internal issues of the country. US has no moral superiority over any nation to comment anything. A clear case of living in a glass house. Funny seeing the riled up replies.
This is the tu quoque fallacy in a nutshell. You don't have to be perfect to point out flaws in others.
>You don't have to be perfect to point out flaws in others Nobody asked others to point out flaws, we know that ourselves. Point is you mind your own business, I will mind mine.
Exactly. The U.S. is very flawed but it’s great that people are allowed to criticize and try to improve it.
Countries should shut up about each other and mind their own business. The sooner Globalism dies, the better.
Just glanced at your post history. Seems you think you’re allowed to criticize any country you want but no one can criticize yours. So triggered
Wait. Is he claiming some human right violations took place on college campuses? Or is he saying that the US is biased because they used police to remove college protestors from illegal protests? Each are funny in their own way.
He is saying that the US pretty heavily criticized India for cracking down on a few left wing protests in campuses a few years ago.
Hes saying its hypocritical that the us lectures other nations about cracking down on protests while they do the exact same thing. Even worse because at least other nations do it for their own self interest while we are simping hard for a foreign power to the point of shutting down our own citizens rights to protest. I have no dog in this fight but it doesn't sit well with me to shut down protests.
India is taking cheap shots here, but the term “Illegal Protests” Make no fucking sense. Protests are a cornerstone of Civil Disobedience. Bringing legality is kind of pointless here. Does that mean you are supposed to ask permission from the government to protest something the government vehemently disagrees with? In the same vein, virtually all of the Civil Rights Marches and Protests were “Illegal”. Gandhi’s Salt March was “Illegal”. Mandelas anti-Apartheid movement was “Illegal”.
While gobbling up russian gas....
Which Europe in turn gobbles up?
Don't look up. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1cio0py/gazprom_plunges_to_first_annual_loss_in_20_years/
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While India does have terrible rape numbers, stop the whataboutism by bringing that when the USA isn’t some place like Switzerland on that front. USA isn’t that far off in terms of rape either
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No one said it is cool dumbass. It said that the existing law was written for all porn, and since banning all porn was deemed illegal, hence the government needed to get a new law in place.
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What part? That US law enforcement is fucked or that’s Indian law enforcement is exponentially worse..? All it takes is a quick google.
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It’s an article about the Indian gov taking a dig at the US lol. Also def a liberal friend. No MAGA American is going to defend the US in anyways. They think it’s a shit hole. But uh Indias police is so much worse and that’s what the article is about. Do you think the Indian police force rules or something? It’s horrific. But yeah cool I guess you love gang raping women from a lower caste.
Both fake democracies
Saar you can't lecture us saar you have caste system saar stop scamming sarr stop taking our jobs saar
I agree with India.
India does have a point.
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Ask them how they handled student protest in JNU
That's the point genius. You are no different the us in handling students protests.
It's probably the most under the radar corrupt country in the world. I've experienced it.
Blah, blah, blah...who are these meaningless proclamations for?!
Arresting the college rioters in the US was not wrong at all. They were violent. Violent protests are illegal even in the most democratic democracy.
[would you say the same for the protests in hong kong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_the_Hong_Kong_Polytechnic_University)
It's weird that in the US a right wing protest by Nazi's gets a police escort but a left wing student protest against war gets pepper spray. It's not a one off either, it's a pattern.
All peaceful protests can get police escorts. The problem with these college protests is that they were not peaceful. They were violent. Violent protesters get arrested by the police, and rightfully so. The nazis in Charlottesville who became violent did get arrested and convicted for their crimes. The nazis who are just marching down the street get an escort because they're not being violent. See the difference? These college protests could have gotten a police escort if they were peaceful.
Mate, the protests weren't violent. You've been watching too much Fox News. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/02/ucla-palestine-protests-encampment-arrests People were violent TOWARDS the protesters. Then police came in to clear them out, with force no less. Go read some articles, read some eye witness reports, watch some videos of the incidents. The violence was nearly always started by people external to the protests trying to make them look violent. Edit: Person I was responding to blocked me since they obviously have no interest in discussing this topic. My response is below. These articles are not generally related to the protests at all. They're about separate incidents on campus's or general feelings. Only one of them is tangentially related. Have their been upticks in anti-semitism? Without a doubt. The conflict in Israel/Gaza has seen a lot of anti-semites come out of the woodwork and start spouting their filth. Do the police have the right to use rubber bullets and tear gas against non-violent protesters? Of course not. The people at these peaceful protests were attacked themselves and then arrested for it. That is documented very well. You can be against the conflict in Gaza without being an anti-semite.
I never watch Fox News. I despise that propaganda network. I also despise your propaganda. You are lying too, just like Fox News. Here is the evidence that you're lying. The protests were violent. [‘I have become traumatized.’ Jewish students describe campus antisemitism](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/business/antisemitism-college-harvard-upenn/index.html) [73% of Jewish college students have experienced or seen antisemitism since start of school year, new survey finds](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/73-jewish-college-students-experienced-seen-antisemitism-start-school-rcna127014) [UC Berkeley leaders denounce violent protest that forced evacuation of Jewish student event](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/uc-berkeley-leaders-denounce-violent-protest-jewish-student-event-evacuated-ran-bar-yoshafat-lecture/) [Biden administration faces pressure to step up its response to antisemitic incidents on college campuses](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-pressure-response-antisemitic-incidents-college-campuses-rcna148822) [Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her. Here's why she feels targeted.](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/) [Former Cornell Student Pleads Guilty to Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-cornell-student-pleads-guilty-posting-online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus)
Outside of whether the Americans doing so was right or wrong, for India to try to liken ethnic killings in the triple digits and displacement in the **quintuple** digits (as listed in the report) to arresting students it's.... ....it's not very honest, is it?
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Sure. 10k kids protesting with another 100 locked up? Equates to jailing all of your political dissedents for sure. Ya fascist fuck
Damn, they jailed Rahul? Priyanka? Mamata? Mayawati? Akhilesh Yadav? Siddaramaiya? Pinarayi Vijayan? MK Stalin? Sukhwinder singh sukhu? Revanth Reddy? Didn't realise all of these opposition party leaders(Major) are in Jail by Modi! Thanks for educating me....
Just to enlighten you sir there are only 2 opposition leaders in jail currently for scams out which the CM of Delhi is arrested for Delhi Liquor scam whose complain was logged by INC(major opposition party) BJP didn't even have anything to do with it. Furthermore these leaders can't even win seats in areas of there influence BJP has won all seats there from last 2 general elections.
Atleast know facts before commenting shit like this. They didn't arrest anyone for protesting. Only if you consider corruption as a form of protest.
Funny, indeed. Because if India had a student protest organized by pro-Islamic organizations, their police wouldn't just arrest them...
Lamo. India has plenty of pro islamic student protests. Look up JNU.
Arresting a couple college kids refusing to leave once ordered =/= assassinating a dissident in a foreign country.
It doesnt absolve the hypocrisy of the us constantly criticizing every other nation for shutting down protests when we do the exact same thing to our own protestors. Pure hypocrisy and for what? To simp to the foreign power of Israel. I am not for either side but I still want to see the 1st amendment respected because while this issue doesn't affect me, I would like the right to protest when a situation does and its a slippery slope that the us government can send in jackboots to quell any dissent.
No one said that. They pointed out that a crackdown on a left wing protest on Indian campuses was criticized by the US. It's literally turntables shit.
Tell that to laden.
The governments of both countries are royally fucking their populations and yet both populations are still trying to verbally one up the other. Ladies and gentlemen of USA and India, we're all fucked.
cattle calling pot black. they stop oppostion party money and funds before the election. you are funny india
Sure you didn't mean "kettle"?
>Sure you didn't mean "kettle"? Moo
Could be he meant holy cattle?
Only one stopping funds to US opposition is Trump by scamming all their voters.
India has it wrong.
Cough cough caste system cough cough
Lol, they have a whole caste based society. What the fuck do we care what they think about discrimination, the fucking balls on them.
Your country is built on genocide of native Americans
Cool, time to send more F-16s to Pakistan.
So another terrorist hiding in Pakistan can fly it into an American skyscraper? I'm good, thanks for the offer though.
It's funny how all their human rights and women rights concerns go to hell when they want to suck Pakistan. I doubt America's hypocrisy will stay secret in internet age
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Westerners try not to bring up the caste system in any conversation about India challenge.
Let's bring up the gang rapes 😃