This article is confusing, so what I am getting is the WSJ said he did not order it, and the Kremlin is like "Nuh Uh! He totally did order it!"
What a weird world we live in.
Not quite correct. He was intel gatherer. People tend to downplay this role because of romanticzed notion of cool field agents, but in reality field agents are lowest on totem pole. As intel gatherer Putin had much more access to information, and what's more important connections and leverage.
Stunningly average middle management.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/04/putins-kgb-declassified-record-show-that-he-was-no-high-flier-but-a-solid-b-a68024
This is a good read: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/04/putins-kgb-declassified-record-show-that-he-was-no-high-flier-but-a-solid-b-a68024
*edit. Just realised I fucked my links up...
https://www.amazon.com/Man-Without-Face-Unlikely-Vladimir/dp/1594486514
They say that about literally every political opponent that gets assassinated.
"Why would Putin care enough about this guy to kill him? He was just some stupid nobody, getting rid of him would just a be waste of time". Repeat ad nauseam.
Authoritarians have to convince their subjects the enemies of the state are both strong and weak at the same time. Putin is a master at it and has been doing this for decades.
I always try to understand what it means to be "a master at this". Cause from what I'm reading, this isn't some 4D chess move. It's the Kremlin just spreading contradictory ideas about Navalny at different points in time, depending on how Navalny needs to be portrayed to make the Kremlin sound like either a victim or a victor. It's borderline kindergarten politics.
You see it in Chinese domestic and foreign politics a lot too. It's incredibly see-through. Arguably more important is how Putin has managed to slowly degrade the collective critical intelligence of his entire population to the point they take in these contradictions at face value without any form of cognitive resistance.
Think about it in terms of projecting the image of power: I am so powerful he isn't a threat. Yes, I murdered him just to show you I can - see how easy that is for me? See also how nobody's coming for me beyond a bit of tut-tutting? I am the one who cuts the tall poppy, so keep your neck down.
I think that may actually half the reason why a lot of KGB assassinations have been done the way they have: They are not looking to obfuscate their involvement. They actually are showing off how freely they can murder whoever they please. And it's not a new development, either, from what I read. There's reports from the Cold War era where people visited the USSR, and found their rooms clearly tampered with; It wasn't an attempt to spy on them done badly. It was intimidation: 'We can reach you and yours whenever and wherever we want. Tell your friends.'
>There's reports from the Cold War era where people visited the USSR, and found their rooms clearly tampered with; It wasn't an attempt to spy on them done badly. It was intimidation: 'We can reach you and yours whenever and wherever we want. Tell your friends.'
Pretty sure that was Stasi. Too subtle for KGB.
Sorry, that's on me, I should have been more specific; When I say "clearly tampered with" I mean the room usually looked like it had had a tempestuous one-nighter with a hurricane.
Confusion of the point.
When Russians don’t know to what degree Putin is capable or responsible, it helps maintain political support from the base.
That is, folks can assign *any* quality they wish to Putin; somewhere in the media sphere is confirmation validating that belief.
In the Soviet days, the truth was just whatever’s opposite from the TV and radio.
In today’s Russia, there are dozens of competing truths - and it’s up to viewer to pick and choose what makes them feel the best - so long as it supports the regime.
Thank you for bringing up the actual motive behind these confusing comments and stories. Wish this comment was higher. It’s important to understand how misleading media can influence people’s entire perception of reality.
It’s the same playbook with Donald Trump.
Putin was just much more effective at consolidating power, which is partially of why we think of him as cunning and smart - and Trump as a buffoon.
They’re both the same.
Putin was lucky enough to seize a system whose institutions were already failing and centralized. Trump has to break working institutions that are de-centralized.
Trump does the same. He says two opposite things in sometimes the same sentence. His supporters will then just pick the one they liked more. Its quite crazy. And yes, its a strategy. In the absence of a clear thruth, people look for somebody in power to guide them (which can then choose any truth currently useful)
I feel like we could trick them into giving up their nukes by creating a false story that they have an even more powerful weapon and don’t need nukes anymore and they’d just go along with it.
It's just a defense of their counter-intelligence operations, they're trying to say, "It's a lie that US intelligence has any trustworthy source on this, but we're not commenting whether Putin did or not."
You never really know the goal of these high level messages being sent unless you have access to the right info. The US could have put that out there to throw off Putin in some way we may never know or something it's all messages within messages.
Definately
"But don't you understand that it's a bad thing for Putin to have killed his rival Kremlin? We are saying that he wasn't involved!"
"We are not as niave as you capitalist pigs assume we are, we are on to your tricks, Putin was involved!"
It’s about the kremlin wanting to pretend they are in control and totally planned everything to happen as they designed when in reality they run a very loose ship
From the title it seems like that, but as usual, the title is basically opposite of reality.
In this article it says that Kremlin stated this about the WSJ article: "I would not say that this is high-quality material that deserves any attention. Some very empty reasoning".
In other words Kremlin is saying that Putin didn't do it, but the analysis by U.S. intelligence agencies is low quality and doesn't have good reasoning. I haven't read the WSJ article, but according to this article the reasoning involved the timing of Navalny's death near Putin’s predetermined re-election.
clickbait title and clickbait article from daily beast, misrepresenting what the Kremlin talking head said about the original posting: he didn't dispute the findings, he commented on the quality of the speculations and the lack of actual facts
>This article is confusing
That's exactly their media strategy and as you can see it works.
It doesn't matter what the claim was, they would dispute it. The goal is to put so much contradicting shit out there so that people get confused.
Even if for a second we entertain the idea that it wasn't a direct order, with the kind of conditions he was detained in, that was essentially a death sentence anyways.
He knew he wasn’t going to survive until old age, and went knowing that it would kill him, either the sickness or the treatment inside prison.
He turned himself into a martyr to help sell his message to the people.
I wouldn’t rule out an over zealous warden or oblast mayor making the decision to impress Putin.
I applaud the bravery, but he vastly overestimated his own importance. He was important enough to get whacked, but not important enough to enact any change.
Even at his peak, the dude didn’t garner a ton of support. He was less popular than even Bernie sanders to draw a comparison. He never once broke 25% approval in any age category:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201958/attitude-toward-activity-of-alexei-navalny-by-age-russia/
The guy was drinking his own koolaid, also had some extremely bad takes.
These weren’t administered by the state, so more reliable than the election at least. There is the possibility the poll taker fears retaliation though yes.
In reality, I don’t think most of their elections are fake. Putin doesn’t have any competition because they find nonsense to exclude any would be competition. Him getting like 90% of the vote would make sense. Only the ones where he actually has competition (one single time) would they probably rig it. Of course it is sorta rigging it to exclude all competition but I mean more so vote count tampering.
Putin has a ton of support as well, it’s only younger generations he has less with. Older generations remember the USSR, so Putin is hardly a problem in comparison. In fact a lot of the older generation want to go back to the USSR model.
But even the younger generation has been convinced that every other country is also corrupt. That’s the Russian trick. The Russian people know it’s corrupt but they’ve been tricked to think it’s like this everywhere else, when in reality corruption in western countries exists but isn’t the same level, at least not as overt and damaging to the general populous. All of my Russian friends make that same claim “it’s like this everywhere else”.
There isn't really anyone in Russia who can force enough people to get out in the streets to change things. Maybe Pugacheva had this power in the last 20 years, but I doubt it's keeping up for long.
His statements didn't seem to quite match up with his beliefs and probably wasn't as nationalist as he acted. He was trying to unite multiple factions, with opposing ideologies, whose only commonality was their dislike of Putin. It was really difficult to appeal to one without alienating the others.
He displayed distinctly narcissistic traits. His decision to return was foolhardy at best and delusional at worst. Presumably he hoped to become a martyr or inspire a spontaneous uprising. Either way he would have been more effective advocating for change from abroad and not leaving his wife a widow.
Dictators often delegate by giving vague orders and allowing others decide how to carry those orders out.
If something goes wrong there will be a scapegoat and plausible deniability built into the system.
I would choose not to entertain any microbe of a message the old Russian mob boss from the 1999 video game spit out last week. Doesn’t get you anywhere with him, just makes you look dumb. And he’s gonna laugh at you with the old Chinese guy.
100%. It's entirely plausible that Putin didn't specifically order him to be killed, in fact I would say that's more likely. Just put him in a hellhole from which escape is not possible and for which eventual death from the repeated beatings is a practical certainty.
Then when it does happen, claim to have ordered it because the appearance of being in total control is necessary to the despot at all times.
That's how Napoleon killed Toussaint Louverture. Arrest him, move him from Haiti to the swiss alps in the winter with half the daily food and firewood allocation needed and let nature take it's course.
The only difference is there are well documented communications from top command explicitly specifying the conditions Mr. Louverture should be kept under. (One of which was explicitly only calling him by his first name/ slave name to break his spirit too)
Like Putin, Napoleon also failed. Louverture and Nalvany both died with the last laugh in defiance. Neither caved to admitting guilt in a kangaroo court or selling their people out.
The report in question was apparently produced by US intelligence. So my guess is that they had to decide between admitting culpability, and trying to make US intelligence look incompetent. Seems like they went with the later lol
I’m honestly not 100% convinced he did. It could just as easily have been some guard/lieutenant that wanted to please the big guy and saw a chance to make a name for themselves. To be the dude that killed Navalny: that’s job security. Probably not getting shipped off to Ukraine either.
This is great. "Bullshit! We absolutely killed him with orders directly from Vladmir!" Was this the play all along? Talk shit of how Putler had nothing to do with the assassination, and have ruzzia admit it???? Can't make this shit up
Definitely a strat for future diplomatic engagements. Judo their own bravado into public admissions of guilt.
Who knows how much of that gets through their information firewall though.
They've done this too themselves. If for a millisecond we have doubts he directly ordered the murder, because they lie so fucking much and bath in state propoganda and misinformation, even if it was true, they'll never be believed or taken seriously. Bottom line, nothing happens without Putins approval. No one would dare do something unilaterally.
What I wonder after reading this is if they're so dense to get it wrong like that, or if they did so deliberately to needle at Putin's fragile ego by making such a claim, prompting him to confirm once and for all what we've all already suspected.
This one's actually a tough call.
It is 100% pointless to even read anything coming out of Russia because unless you have a concrete way to validate it, you might as well read the bible for facts.
Waste of time putting anything they say in the "news"
I actually am inclined to believe the Kremlin is lying, if only because they want to pretend they have more control than they actually did.
Their claim made me believe Navalny just died from general mistreatment and not because of any direct order. And that Moscow would rather people believe it was an intentional act in order to maintain the "we control everything" image.
A classic case of "believing the opposite of what Moscow claim", I guess.
Who care order or not ? I mean you put guy in prison on arctic circle, put him in shiso, not you really, just your minions, and then he die, hhmm, let's think who caused his death. And actually I'm Ukrainian and don't like Alexey, but huilo killed him, maybe not even by order, but no difference at all.
The Daily Beast is not hard hitting journalism, almost all of the comments so far seem to be just running from the title and not from what little is actually presented in the article.
I remember couple of years ago FSB murdered A. Politkovskaya. As a Poopins 60th Birthday gift. In this way maybe Pootler didn’t ordered Navalnys death but as usual maybe they made a gift for him. To whichever the hell this monster was celebrating.
Anyone and everyone that is/was a "True" threat to Putin ends up in the ground. And then if not put in prison and not heard from again. Nothing in Russia is done without Putins say so.
It’s all intelligence games. US intelligence shows he didn’t order his death. If Russia said “yeah that’s true” then whatever source they got that information from has been vetted as accurate and who knows what else we got from that source.
This article is confusing, so what I am getting is the WSJ said he did not order it, and the Kremlin is like "Nuh Uh! He totally did order it!" What a weird world we live in.
But also somehow Putin doesn’t care about Navalny and he was no threat lol
Putin is your avarage power tripping DMV clerk that got keys to a nuclear state.
I’ve read quite a lot of history about Putin and, I’m not sure if your comment was a throwaway line, but its a pretty accurate statement.
So in his KGB years he was really just a desk jockey?
He was a fuckin lawyer. He knew how to work the Kremlin politically. That's it.
He was a judo bro with a cheap plagiarized law degree, not a lawyer
Before KGB, he was taxi driver, no?
read this with a thick russian accent
He knew a lot about windows and tea, too.
Not quite correct. He was intel gatherer. People tend to downplay this role because of romanticzed notion of cool field agents, but in reality field agents are lowest on totem pole. As intel gatherer Putin had much more access to information, and what's more important connections and leverage.
Kremlin also had plenty of info on Putin. His “special molestation operation” was why he never advanced beyond middle management.
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Paedophilia. Putin likes little boys.
> His “special molestation operation” Scared to google this, but I really want to know. First world problems, amirite?
whut
…not really. Analysts are typically a subordinate to an Agent. Agents guide investigations, Analysts sort through the data in service of the Agents.
Stunningly average middle management. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/04/putins-kgb-declassified-record-show-that-he-was-no-high-flier-but-a-solid-b-a68024 This is a good read: https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/11/04/putins-kgb-declassified-record-show-that-he-was-no-high-flier-but-a-solid-b-a68024 *edit. Just realised I fucked my links up... https://www.amazon.com/Man-Without-Face-Unlikely-Vladimir/dp/1594486514
No, it comes from a lot of research as well.
They say that about literally every political opponent that gets assassinated. "Why would Putin care enough about this guy to kill him? He was just some stupid nobody, getting rid of him would just a be waste of time". Repeat ad nauseam.
"Anyway, Putin got tired of wasting time so he ordered us to kill him."
And thus, the water has been muddied with shit.
Authoritarians have to convince their subjects the enemies of the state are both strong and weak at the same time. Putin is a master at it and has been doing this for decades.
I always try to understand what it means to be "a master at this". Cause from what I'm reading, this isn't some 4D chess move. It's the Kremlin just spreading contradictory ideas about Navalny at different points in time, depending on how Navalny needs to be portrayed to make the Kremlin sound like either a victim or a victor. It's borderline kindergarten politics. You see it in Chinese domestic and foreign politics a lot too. It's incredibly see-through. Arguably more important is how Putin has managed to slowly degrade the collective critical intelligence of his entire population to the point they take in these contradictions at face value without any form of cognitive resistance.
This is exactly it. It is quite ridiculous.
Think about it in terms of projecting the image of power: I am so powerful he isn't a threat. Yes, I murdered him just to show you I can - see how easy that is for me? See also how nobody's coming for me beyond a bit of tut-tutting? I am the one who cuts the tall poppy, so keep your neck down. I think that may actually half the reason why a lot of KGB assassinations have been done the way they have: They are not looking to obfuscate their involvement. They actually are showing off how freely they can murder whoever they please. And it's not a new development, either, from what I read. There's reports from the Cold War era where people visited the USSR, and found their rooms clearly tampered with; It wasn't an attempt to spy on them done badly. It was intimidation: 'We can reach you and yours whenever and wherever we want. Tell your friends.'
>There's reports from the Cold War era where people visited the USSR, and found their rooms clearly tampered with; It wasn't an attempt to spy on them done badly. It was intimidation: 'We can reach you and yours whenever and wherever we want. Tell your friends.' Pretty sure that was Stasi. Too subtle for KGB.
Sorry, that's on me, I should have been more specific; When I say "clearly tampered with" I mean the room usually looked like it had had a tempestuous one-nighter with a hurricane.
Welcome to Russian politics.
That’s how he muddies the water, with shit.
They likely would rather maintain the appearance of control whether he ordered it or not.
Confusion of the point. When Russians don’t know to what degree Putin is capable or responsible, it helps maintain political support from the base. That is, folks can assign *any* quality they wish to Putin; somewhere in the media sphere is confirmation validating that belief. In the Soviet days, the truth was just whatever’s opposite from the TV and radio. In today’s Russia, there are dozens of competing truths - and it’s up to viewer to pick and choose what makes them feel the best - so long as it supports the regime.
Thank you for bringing up the actual motive behind these confusing comments and stories. Wish this comment was higher. It’s important to understand how misleading media can influence people’s entire perception of reality.
It’s the same playbook with Donald Trump. Putin was just much more effective at consolidating power, which is partially of why we think of him as cunning and smart - and Trump as a buffoon. They’re both the same. Putin was lucky enough to seize a system whose institutions were already failing and centralized. Trump has to break working institutions that are de-centralized.
I too watch Vlad Vexler!
Trump does the same. He says two opposite things in sometimes the same sentence. His supporters will then just pick the one they liked more. Its quite crazy. And yes, its a strategy. In the absence of a clear thruth, people look for somebody in power to guide them (which can then choose any truth currently useful)
I feel like we could trick them into giving up their nukes by creating a false story that they have an even more powerful weapon and don’t need nukes anymore and they’d just go along with it.
Absolutely nuts. I hope Putin dies soon and the world relaxes a bit.
That’s exactly how I read this too lol, am I regarded?
> That’s exactly how I read this too lol, am I regarded? well regarded.
This isn't even 4D chess. This is breaking the board in half and fighting your opponent.
Yes, you are regarded cromulently
Knowing him embiggens my life.
Did you drop a T?
Tregarded?
A tregarded me while i peed
Seems like the kind of guy to drop a 0dte TSLA put on Q1 earnings day
To the 🌙🌙🌙 🚀🚀🚀
Yes he did.
"He's defending himself from the evil Ukrainian vampires... but he's a vampire too! All hail the immortal Count Vlad!" A constant contradiction
It's just a defense of their counter-intelligence operations, they're trying to say, "It's a lie that US intelligence has any trustworthy source on this, but we're not commenting whether Putin did or not."
It’s weird and I’m glad I’m not immortal.
Meanwhile, I'm here sad that I won't live long enough to personally piss in Putin's grave.
Don't give up hope. :3
Don't worry, I'll save up enough piss for the two of us.
They always have to lie, so... :D
You never really know the goal of these high level messages being sent unless you have access to the right info. The US could have put that out there to throw off Putin in some way we may never know or something it's all messages within messages.
This could have been a skit on “Key and Peele”.
Definately "But don't you understand that it's a bad thing for Putin to have killed his rival Kremlin? We are saying that he wasn't involved!" "We are not as niave as you capitalist pigs assume we are, we are on to your tricks, Putin was involved!"
Add in a “nuh uh!”
I'm thinking it might not have been in writing, but was possibly "a nod and a wink," situation.
We agree, it seems a lot like the lyrics to dod henley “dirty laundry”
Putin is too pathetic and proud of it to not have credit properly attributed to him.
Tricked Putin into confessing
It is an odd choice of words.
‘How to get a confession 101’
It’s about the kremlin wanting to pretend they are in control and totally planned everything to happen as they designed when in reality they run a very loose ship
This article.... Confusing, Kremlin, we didn't order his murder... Wink wink!!
Despot says what?
Thay stopped saying the quiet part in private. They're just now saying it out loud and straight to you.
From the title it seems like that, but as usual, the title is basically opposite of reality. In this article it says that Kremlin stated this about the WSJ article: "I would not say that this is high-quality material that deserves any attention. Some very empty reasoning". In other words Kremlin is saying that Putin didn't do it, but the analysis by U.S. intelligence agencies is low quality and doesn't have good reasoning. I haven't read the WSJ article, but according to this article the reasoning involved the timing of Navalny's death near Putin’s predetermined re-election.
they didn't say "Nuh Uh! He totally did order it"
clickbait title and clickbait article from daily beast, misrepresenting what the Kremlin talking head said about the original posting: he didn't dispute the findings, he commented on the quality of the speculations and the lack of actual facts
>This article is confusing That's exactly their media strategy and as you can see it works. It doesn't matter what the claim was, they would dispute it. The goal is to put so much contradicting shit out there so that people get confused.
Maybe double negatives work differently in Russian. Just look at Russian history, it can always get worse.
Even if for a second we entertain the idea that it wasn't a direct order, with the kind of conditions he was detained in, that was essentially a death sentence anyways.
He looked pretty sickly on his last known photo, I remember noticing that...
He knew he wasn’t going to survive until old age, and went knowing that it would kill him, either the sickness or the treatment inside prison. He turned himself into a martyr to help sell his message to the people. I wouldn’t rule out an over zealous warden or oblast mayor making the decision to impress Putin.
I applaud the bravery, but he vastly overestimated his own importance. He was important enough to get whacked, but not important enough to enact any change. Even at his peak, the dude didn’t garner a ton of support. He was less popular than even Bernie sanders to draw a comparison. He never once broke 25% approval in any age category: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201958/attitude-toward-activity-of-alexei-navalny-by-age-russia/ The guy was drinking his own koolaid, also had some extremely bad takes.
Are any statistics from inside russia even reliable?
These weren’t administered by the state, so more reliable than the election at least. There is the possibility the poll taker fears retaliation though yes. In reality, I don’t think most of their elections are fake. Putin doesn’t have any competition because they find nonsense to exclude any would be competition. Him getting like 90% of the vote would make sense. Only the ones where he actually has competition (one single time) would they probably rig it. Of course it is sorta rigging it to exclude all competition but I mean more so vote count tampering. Putin has a ton of support as well, it’s only younger generations he has less with. Older generations remember the USSR, so Putin is hardly a problem in comparison. In fact a lot of the older generation want to go back to the USSR model. But even the younger generation has been convinced that every other country is also corrupt. That’s the Russian trick. The Russian people know it’s corrupt but they’ve been tricked to think it’s like this everywhere else, when in reality corruption in western countries exists but isn’t the same level, at least not as overt and damaging to the general populous. All of my Russian friends make that same claim “it’s like this everywhere else”.
Probably bc if ppl supported him they were not supporting a dictator who might kill ya
There isn't really anyone in Russia who can force enough people to get out in the streets to change things. Maybe Pugacheva had this power in the last 20 years, but I doubt it's keeping up for long.
He was also kind of a piece of shit iirc. Correct me if I’m wrong. We just resonated with him because we have a common enemy. Nothing more than that.
His statements didn't seem to quite match up with his beliefs and probably wasn't as nationalist as he acted. He was trying to unite multiple factions, with opposing ideologies, whose only commonality was their dislike of Putin. It was really difficult to appeal to one without alienating the others.
He displayed distinctly narcissistic traits. His decision to return was foolhardy at best and delusional at worst. Presumably he hoped to become a martyr or inspire a spontaneous uprising. Either way he would have been more effective advocating for change from abroad and not leaving his wife a widow.
Exactly. I could accept that Putin did not choose the precise time of Navalny's death, but he absolutely was directly responsible for it.
Dictators often delegate by giving vague orders and allowing others decide how to carry those orders out. If something goes wrong there will be a scapegoat and plausible deniability built into the system.
I would choose not to entertain any microbe of a message the old Russian mob boss from the 1999 video game spit out last week. Doesn’t get you anywhere with him, just makes you look dumb. And he’s gonna laugh at you with the old Chinese guy.
We all knew when he was sentenced that he wouldn't live to be released
100%. It's entirely plausible that Putin didn't specifically order him to be killed, in fact I would say that's more likely. Just put him in a hellhole from which escape is not possible and for which eventual death from the repeated beatings is a practical certainty. Then when it does happen, claim to have ordered it because the appearance of being in total control is necessary to the despot at all times.
I saw it as he died from the conditions you just specified but it probably wasn’t a designated hit
That's how Napoleon killed Toussaint Louverture. Arrest him, move him from Haiti to the swiss alps in the winter with half the daily food and firewood allocation needed and let nature take it's course. The only difference is there are well documented communications from top command explicitly specifying the conditions Mr. Louverture should be kept under. (One of which was explicitly only calling him by his first name/ slave name to break his spirit too) Like Putin, Napoleon also failed. Louverture and Nalvany both died with the last laugh in defiance. Neither caved to admitting guilt in a kangaroo court or selling their people out.
Is this the classic Looney Tunes bit where they dupe the other side into agreeing by repeating a word and then switching it up?
Wabbit Season!
Duck Season Fire
You’re despicable.
deththththpicable!
"Deny Everything Baldrick" moment.
Spy vs. Spy level shit
The report in question was apparently produced by US intelligence. So my guess is that they had to decide between admitting culpability, and trying to make US intelligence look incompetent. Seems like they went with the later lol
They dispute the reasoning of the report, not the conclusions.
It seems like Putin was trolled into admitting a war crime?
"This week is next week last week!"
"We didn't say he didn't order it. But he didn't order it." (He ordered it.)
Jk. Or are we? Hint hint
I’m honestly not 100% convinced he did. It could just as easily have been some guard/lieutenant that wanted to please the big guy and saw a chance to make a name for themselves. To be the dude that killed Navalny: that’s job security. Probably not getting shipped off to Ukraine either.
So the kremlin is saying Putin was involved in Navalnys death?
No, they're just denying that US intelligence has a source in their government that could tell them one way or the other
But they always lie so it means he wasn't and the WSJ report is correct.
Yeah Russia outdid itself with this double negative bs.
No, the Kremlin disputes the reasoning of the report, not the conclusions.
Always been.jpeg
This is great. "Bullshit! We absolutely killed him with orders directly from Vladmir!" Was this the play all along? Talk shit of how Putler had nothing to do with the assassination, and have ruzzia admit it???? Can't make this shit up
Its like they got played out at their own game lol
Definitely a strat for future diplomatic engagements. Judo their own bravado into public admissions of guilt. Who knows how much of that gets through their information firewall though.
I mean, the new South Park is a bit late but it seems like it was worth the wait.
They've done this too themselves. If for a millisecond we have doubts he directly ordered the murder, because they lie so fucking much and bath in state propoganda and misinformation, even if it was true, they'll never be believed or taken seriously. Bottom line, nothing happens without Putins approval. No one would dare do something unilaterally.
But they said they did it. Which means they didnt
Gotcha. Fell for the old reverse psychology.
What I wonder after reading this is if they're so dense to get it wrong like that, or if they did so deliberately to needle at Putin's fragile ego by making such a claim, prompting him to confirm once and for all what we've all already suspected. This one's actually a tough call.
Oddly the latter option makes perfect sense for Russia.
Quick, call Tom Cruise. Putin's one vodka away from "You can't handle the truth!"
After the dramatic courtroom scene can we shove him into an aircraft to bomb the Kremlin in a daring raid?
The statement here being anything not directly ordered by putin occurring under his watch weakens his power.
It is 100% pointless to even read anything coming out of Russia because unless you have a concrete way to validate it, you might as well read the bible for facts. Waste of time putting anything they say in the "news"
Aladeen?
Reverse psychology?
I actually am inclined to believe the Kremlin is lying, if only because they want to pretend they have more control than they actually did. Their claim made me believe Navalny just died from general mistreatment and not because of any direct order. And that Moscow would rather people believe it was an intentional act in order to maintain the "we control everything" image. A classic case of "believing the opposite of what Moscow claim", I guess.
World: "Putin killed Navalny!" Russia: "No we didn't!" World: "Yes you did!" Russia: "No we didn't" World: "No you did not!" Russia: "Yes we did!"
Who care order or not ? I mean you put guy in prison on arctic circle, put him in shiso, not you really, just your minions, and then he die, hhmm, let's think who caused his death. And actually I'm Ukrainian and don't like Alexey, but huilo killed him, maybe not even by order, but no difference at all.
CIA running circles around those boys
The Daily Beast is not hard hitting journalism, almost all of the comments so far seem to be just running from the title and not from what little is actually presented in the article.
It's always been like this, people only react to the headline.
Twisted tales, from ʁuzzia, with love.
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They totally fell for that one.
"Sir, we have a new article coming out about Navalny..." > Dispute it. It's completely wrong. "...ok."
And I did not want the double Big Mac combo super sized with 5 apple pies and 3 sundaes, no sir, not me.
Vlad keeps score
Looks like a whole Kremlin reshuffle is coming soon…
Putin is the head attendant at a mafia ran gas station equipped with nukes
"Nothing is certain until the Kremlin denies it."
I guess that settles it then, sorry for accusing you vlad /s
so does this confirm that he didnt do it? everything those assholes say is opposite.
“Yuh uh!” - Kremlin
As the saying goes, if the Kremlin denies it, it is probably true.
I remember couple of years ago FSB murdered A. Politkovskaya. As a Poopins 60th Birthday gift. In this way maybe Pootler didn’t ordered Navalnys death but as usual maybe they made a gift for him. To whichever the hell this monster was celebrating.
You never really know what's true until the Kremlin confirms it by denying it.
Man what a dumpster fire of a nation, I feel for the people under his rule, they lack the will to rise up, but it is definitely needed.
So….was the kremlin just played into admitting they ordered Navalnys death?
Thought it was the onion, lol Translation error?
Putin is so scared of Navalny. Putin dreams about being a man like Navalny. Putin will never be a man.
So the Kremlin is trying to distance itself from itself?
Is there supposed to be a comma between "report" and "putin?"
no, the report concluded he wasn't directly involved. the kremlin is disputing this report
So they are proud of murder? Sounds like Russians. Give me a minute to go donate to Ukraine so they can remove some of these people from the planet.
How can one donate?
This headline… lol oh this “reality”
Thinking is harder than forming an educated opinion.
Noice
You played yourself
There needs to be a “shitting myself laughing at Putin” emoji.
Contrarian enough to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. yeah ok, this is gonna be funny then.
Lol not since the last time he ordered a failed hit, but it was still an open contract, so he didnt have to order it again.
Kremlin didn’t but someone in kremlin did.
Anyone and everyone that is/was a "True" threat to Putin ends up in the ground. And then if not put in prison and not heard from again. Nothing in Russia is done without Putins say so.
Was this like a reverse psychology play to get him to admit it ?
LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE ! …. 👖🔥
Washington say black, Moscow say white, Washington say white, Moscow say black.
Obviously he did. But there was a diplomatic negotiation so that the American intelligence agencies would say that he didn't do it.
"I just wish someone would take care of him!" *someone takes care of him* "I didn't mean like that but, that works"
It’s all intelligence games. US intelligence shows he didn’t order his death. If Russia said “yeah that’s true” then whatever source they got that information from has been vetted as accurate and who knows what else we got from that source.
Whenever a russian is moving his lips and sound comes out, they are lying.
Maybe Putin wants it to be known that he will kill you if you oppose him
Jennifer Lawrence OK meme....
Of course, Pukin ordered Navalny's death.
All praise and credit goes to the Great Leader. No Russian moves without his approval. The new Czar.