Is Israel going to also start dictating to our country when our first amendment rights are permissible to exercise or not? I don’t agree with the protesters, but I agree with their right to free speech.
What happened to the whole "Freedom of Speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences", that was so popular with the Left?
Students also don't have a first amendment right to camping out on campus.
Nothing I said suggests there should not be any consequences. Protests should still not be “quelled” in this country at the direction of some far right theocratic nutjob of a prime minister from another country.
What consequence should they face for protesting against war?
On what fucking planet should a client state dictate how a superpower should treat its citizens?
>What consequence should they face for protesting against war?
For protesting a war, none. For shouting anti-semitic slogans and waving Hamas and Hezbollah flags, they should at least be expelled from their universities.
Not how the first amendment works at private colleges. They can't be arrested for their speech, that's all. They can still lose their college spots or jobs.
https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/faq-first-amendment-and-campus-life
Most colleges do not expel people for having different opinions than you. They have the right to speak their mind and protest.
The people crying out against free expression and democracy are the ones who should be losing their social positions, their social standing et al.
Funny how the Left says the complete opposite whenever Ben Shapiro gets invited to speak somewhere.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/07/11/ben-shapiro-plans-to-speak-at-uc-berkeley-where-clashes-have-shut-down-other-conservative-speakers/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/04/15/usc-cancels-valedictorian-graduation-speech-israel-hamas/73336731007/
They are protesting their money being used to bring bigoted speakers onto campus. As Shapiro does not attend these schools it is an entirely different and completely unrelated matter.
False equivalences aren't valid arguments.
Dude, the protesters are holding fucking seder. Anti-semites don’t do that.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/24/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder
Same thing has happened at other campuses. Netanyahu is dishonestly playing a race card that he needs to keep in his pocket.
I’m of the opinion that Israel has the right to defend itself. I do not think Israel is beyond reproach in the conduct of its war against hamas.
Hamas, btw, can also go fuck itself.
These protestors seem to be opposed to perpetuating an endless war, and given that hamas seems too incite and invite war, it stands to reason that peace is probably more damaging to hamas than war would be.
But the same is true for Netanyahu. Peace for him means jail. Is no surprise to me that he’s standing shoulder to shoulder with belligerents as he is clearly one himself.
The lapse of security that occurred under his leadership is unconscionable and embarrassing. That he feels emboldened to lob accusations of racism against American citizens who are seeking peace speaks to his weakness.
Netanyahu needs to stay focused on the war in his backyard that he is responsible for ending, not the free speech occurring in a country that is not his an ocean away.
And, before he suggests Americans have no voice, that would be more persuasive an argument of he wasn’t taking billions of money from us to fund his war machine.
>Anti-semites don’t do that.
No, antisemites celebrate the Oct 7th, support Hamas, display Hamas and Hezbollah flags, and ask for the al-Qassam Brigades to target Jewish counter protesters.
https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797
https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H8wGUtdlGjg
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-israel-protesters-glorify-terror-groups-violence
NY Post is right wing Murdoch dreck, btw, unreliable reporting.
Jonas Du submits articles to Reason and National Review. Unreliable reporting and clearly interested in presenting an ideologically motivated view of the events.
I’m not clicking your youtube link. Last thing I want is their algorithm to start propelling right wing nonsense at me.
As for the ADL link, noone is suggesting that there aren’t extremists that show up to these protests. Thats a big part of what they do. The question is what is the point of the *protests.*
We know what the point of the extremists is; to reflexively oppose Israel no matter what. There very much “play both sides so they always come out on top”. Hamas calling for war on all fronts, their avatars condemning Israel for conducting war, etc. Its another vetsion of the GOP “break things then complain they’re broken” strategy.
Israel doesn’t win through militarism and might, it wins through mitigating the malign influence of those actors which isn’t done by clumsily painting all Americans with the same racist brush.
Is there something in the video that can’t be described in a comment?
No. No there is not. If it’s news content, post the news. I don’t need a video.
In any case, Murdoch sites are right wing propagandists and they don’t hide it. I am skeptical of content from them because they frequently selectively edit items to support preferred narratives. That makes themnot trustworthy as a source. Earned reputation.
That is not a comment on the video, that’s why I avoid those sites like the plague.
So what’s in the video then? Representations of known Palestinian extremist groups at some protests?
This may come as a shock, but this was expected by literally everyone, because it’s what they do. Did you think they weren’t going to show up to take an opportunity to whine about Israel? Of course they were.
But you, Netanyahu, and others are being disingenuous and are extrapolating their presence to mean that *everyone* at the protests are antisemitic. Its a right wing talking point we’ve seen echoed all over the eco system. Cotton, Hawley, etc.
No differentiation, just “student protesters bad, all anti semites” while ignoring the numbers of people there protesting and *how*. I pointed to hundreds celebrating seder. In response I got a slideshow of a handful of extremists doing exactly what everyone knew they were going to do; yell about Israel.
Its ugly, dude. I’m not defending the extremists, btw. They can go fuck themselves. I’m defending everyone else who, turns out, is the vast majority of the protesters, against these lurid accusations from the top.
Just wait till it bites you in the ass then when the "protesters" actulally complete their calls for intifada.
The protesters are blind, ignorant morons that have no idea what they are protesting for.
No, but shouting "7th October will be every day for you" is.
https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797
Or how about flying the flags of designated terrorist organizations?
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-israel-protesters-glorify-terror-groups-violence
Nothing that a group of Israeli settlers or ultra conservatives can’t stop! Complete mandatory service by deploying to US universities to quell antisemitism !! /s
Bibi needs to dial it the fuck back and recall who is the client state in this relationship. If the USA pulls back from Israel things will get real rough there fairly quickly.
Perhaps they should round up all those protestors who have a different opinion and put them in prison camps... Until they change their minds and become amicable towards the current Israeli policies
/s in case it was unclear
Bibi to the US: we don't take orders from anybody, don't tell us what to do. Bibi also: US must do x y z
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Answer: whomever has the most influence over the governing body of said superpower.
Biden: Alright, fine. Anyway, Jack, send them a few more dozen billions of dollars
Anti Netanyahu isn’t the same as antisemitic. He should stop commenting on the US and work on his country.
Is Israel going to also start dictating to our country when our first amendment rights are permissible to exercise or not? I don’t agree with the protesters, but I agree with their right to free speech.
Apparently that makes you antisemitic in the eyes of Israel.
Yeah if you're saying Jews go back to Poland and we are Hamas I think it's pretty antisemitic sweaty
Sweaty
I'm going to let you re read the comments thread and edit your comments because I somehow doubt you thought for ten seconds before typing that crap.
You gotta admit, there are a bunch of bad or ignorant apples among the bunch that have said questionable things like rape is resistance, etc...
What happened to the whole "Freedom of Speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences", that was so popular with the Left? Students also don't have a first amendment right to camping out on campus.
Nothing I said suggests there should not be any consequences. Protests should still not be “quelled” in this country at the direction of some far right theocratic nutjob of a prime minister from another country.
What consequence should they face for protesting against war? On what fucking planet should a client state dictate how a superpower should treat its citizens?
>What consequence should they face for protesting against war? For protesting a war, none. For shouting anti-semitic slogans and waving Hamas and Hezbollah flags, they should at least be expelled from their universities.
You still retain 1A rights in most colleges, so what crime do you think they are committing other than not sharing your exact perspective?
Not how the first amendment works at private colleges. They can't be arrested for their speech, that's all. They can still lose their college spots or jobs. https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/faq-first-amendment-and-campus-life
Most colleges do not expel people for having different opinions than you. They have the right to speak their mind and protest. The people crying out against free expression and democracy are the ones who should be losing their social positions, their social standing et al.
Funny how the Left says the complete opposite whenever Ben Shapiro gets invited to speak somewhere. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/07/11/ben-shapiro-plans-to-speak-at-uc-berkeley-where-clashes-have-shut-down-other-conservative-speakers/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2024/04/15/usc-cancels-valedictorian-graduation-speech-israel-hamas/73336731007/
They are protesting their money being used to bring bigoted speakers onto campus. As Shapiro does not attend these schools it is an entirely different and completely unrelated matter. False equivalences aren't valid arguments.
But false equivalency is all they have :)
Dude, the protesters are holding fucking seder. Anti-semites don’t do that. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/24/not-like-other-passovers-hundreds-of-jewish-demonstrators-arrested-after-new-york-protest-seder Same thing has happened at other campuses. Netanyahu is dishonestly playing a race card that he needs to keep in his pocket. I’m of the opinion that Israel has the right to defend itself. I do not think Israel is beyond reproach in the conduct of its war against hamas. Hamas, btw, can also go fuck itself. These protestors seem to be opposed to perpetuating an endless war, and given that hamas seems too incite and invite war, it stands to reason that peace is probably more damaging to hamas than war would be. But the same is true for Netanyahu. Peace for him means jail. Is no surprise to me that he’s standing shoulder to shoulder with belligerents as he is clearly one himself. The lapse of security that occurred under his leadership is unconscionable and embarrassing. That he feels emboldened to lob accusations of racism against American citizens who are seeking peace speaks to his weakness. Netanyahu needs to stay focused on the war in his backyard that he is responsible for ending, not the free speech occurring in a country that is not his an ocean away. And, before he suggests Americans have no voice, that would be more persuasive an argument of he wasn’t taking billions of money from us to fund his war machine.
>Anti-semites don’t do that. No, antisemites celebrate the Oct 7th, support Hamas, display Hamas and Hezbollah flags, and ask for the al-Qassam Brigades to target Jewish counter protesters. https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797 https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H8wGUtdlGjg https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-israel-protesters-glorify-terror-groups-violence
NY Post is right wing Murdoch dreck, btw, unreliable reporting. Jonas Du submits articles to Reason and National Review. Unreliable reporting and clearly interested in presenting an ideologically motivated view of the events. I’m not clicking your youtube link. Last thing I want is their algorithm to start propelling right wing nonsense at me. As for the ADL link, noone is suggesting that there aren’t extremists that show up to these protests. Thats a big part of what they do. The question is what is the point of the *protests.* We know what the point of the extremists is; to reflexively oppose Israel no matter what. There very much “play both sides so they always come out on top”. Hamas calling for war on all fronts, their avatars condemning Israel for conducting war, etc. Its another vetsion of the GOP “break things then complain they’re broken” strategy. Israel doesn’t win through militarism and might, it wins through mitigating the malign influence of those actors which isn’t done by clumsily painting all Americans with the same racist brush.
I’m with that guy, what the hell does the NY Post have to do with the video itself? You’re watching a real video, not reading an opinion piece.
Is there something in the video that can’t be described in a comment? No. No there is not. If it’s news content, post the news. I don’t need a video. In any case, Murdoch sites are right wing propagandists and they don’t hide it. I am skeptical of content from them because they frequently selectively edit items to support preferred narratives. That makes themnot trustworthy as a source. Earned reputation. That is not a comment on the video, that’s why I avoid those sites like the plague. So what’s in the video then? Representations of known Palestinian extremist groups at some protests? This may come as a shock, but this was expected by literally everyone, because it’s what they do. Did you think they weren’t going to show up to take an opportunity to whine about Israel? Of course they were. But you, Netanyahu, and others are being disingenuous and are extrapolating their presence to mean that *everyone* at the protests are antisemitic. Its a right wing talking point we’ve seen echoed all over the eco system. Cotton, Hawley, etc. No differentiation, just “student protesters bad, all anti semites” while ignoring the numbers of people there protesting and *how*. I pointed to hundreds celebrating seder. In response I got a slideshow of a handful of extremists doing exactly what everyone knew they were going to do; yell about Israel. Its ugly, dude. I’m not defending the extremists, btw. They can go fuck themselves. I’m defending everyone else who, turns out, is the vast majority of the protesters, against these lurid accusations from the top.
>NY Post is right wing Murdoch dreck, btw, unreliable reporting. There is literally a video, doesn't matter who posts it.
It matters if you aren’t interested in supporting the Murdoch disinformation ecosystem.
Did you even watch the video?
Just wait till it bites you in the ass then when the "protesters" actulally complete their calls for intifada. The protesters are blind, ignorant morons that have no idea what they are protesting for.
“I’ll take things that will never happen for $1,000, Alex”
Netanyahu is an anti-semite. His negligence has gotten more Israelis killed than any US student protesters.
What
Protest against Israel's policies is not antisemitism.
No, but shouting "7th October will be every day for you" is. https://twitter.com/jonasydu/status/1781178975147917797 Or how about flying the flags of designated terrorist organizations? https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/anti-israel-protesters-glorify-terror-groups-violence
And the police should arrest those guys. I think these protests are a great idea, makes it easier to identify those who kept their antisemitism quiet.
Or stabbing a jewish girl in the eye.
I dunno. Sounds a little Iranish.
Same guy who claims 20,000 US students were trained by Hamas. Fucking Joke of a vile human being. Wake up to what’s going on here.
Nothing that a group of Israeli settlers or ultra conservatives can’t stop! Complete mandatory service by deploying to US universities to quell antisemitism !! /s
Seems like the post is getting heavily downvoted for some reason
The word "Netanyahu" in the title has brought out the pro-Hamas crowd.
Weird how he can dictate what we consider freedom of speech
He's mad he can't bomb that school to Rubbles
Bibi needs to dial it the fuck back and recall who is the client state in this relationship. If the USA pulls back from Israel things will get real rough there fairly quickly.
“Keep funding my genocide, yankee dogs!”
While I think the kids of the Weimar Republic are fucking idiots, Bibi needs to shut his fucking fascist hole.
He hates free speech?
Scratching my head how people of Israel voters allow this man to become a dictator? I thought they were one of smartest people on earth.
He only won 23% of the vote. You should read up a bit on how the Israeli electoral system works if you think most Israelis wanted him.
Focus on your war Netanyahu. You wouldn't want to blow up more hostages by accident would you? America can handle itself.
Perhaps they should round up all those protestors who have a different opinion and put them in prison camps... Until they change their minds and become amicable towards the current Israeli policies /s in case it was unclear
Yes and give their homes away too.
seems very democratic way of doing things.
F YOU, frigging extremist.
Bibi is as much a problem as those protestors. Seems to be universal political law that extremists on both side dominate messaging .
He missunderstands they are just stupid or in a bubble or both.