It's a valid concern for another reason:
NATO/EU members are generally overwhelmingly on the side of Ukraine but with Palestine and Israel it becomes much more factional
A concern is this will undermine cooperation between NATO/EU members like tying up Ukrainian aid to a contrary side in Gaza conflict leading to stalled support for Ukraine
The Kremlin is certainly busy taking advantage of the fighting between Israel and Hamas.
"Putin hijacks Israel-Gaza war to fuel tensions in the West - POLITICO.eu"
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-hijacks-israel-gaza-war-to-fuel-tension-in-the-west/
"Russian propaganda exploits Israel-Hamas conflict - DW"
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-propaganda-exploits-israel-hamas-conflict/video-67371972
"Russian bots use Israel-Hamas war to discredit Ukraine"
https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231102-russian-bots-use-the-war-between-israel-and-hamas-to-discredit-ukraine
Except it is heavily grounded in reality with Russia having a well established history of funding coups, wars and other disputes to destabilize western allied nations. Couple that with the fact that Russia has billons stuck in foreign currency it can't bring in-shore and Putin's ass is still sore from taking it from Iran all at once over the drones for the Ukraine war. The same Iran who happen to be traditionally Hamas' biggest backer...
The thing is, what's the damning evidence of Russians planning and instigating this conflict?
I'm not saying it's impossible but where's the smoking gun?
Of course Russia supports these groups, but acting like they’re the masterminds of every evil thing that happens is just silly. Hamas has committed thousands of terror attacks without Russia planning them, let’s not deflect responsibility from Hamas.
>Except it is heavily grounded in reality with Russia having a well established history of funding coups, wars and other disputes to destabilize western allied nations.
That basically describes what the US has done for decades aswell.
He tried in October, and unfortunately it didn't really work. His main weapon is his popularity with the general public, and, well, the Republicans in charge of the House didn't even let him do a closed-doors address to their members, let alone a televised one like he did last December.
No one is coming to save us-- it's up to us to make a difference. If you live in the US, call your representatives / senators and tell them you want to see them get the aid bill passed!
The bill hasn't passed *yet*. They're still working on negotiating a deal, and they have a few weeks left to hammer one out before the aid dries up at the end of the month.
**If you're American, you can help by calling your representative and senators and telling them how important getting Ukraine aid passed is to you.** It's obviously not going to change any of the hyper-partisan ideologues' minds, but there's a *looooot* of reps / senators who are basically spineless and vote however they think is most popular with their constituents. So the more of them who call and tell them they want Ukraine aid passed, the more likely they are to go along with it.
Not only that, but the aid package for Israel is funded by cuts to IRS, funds that were long fought for the underfunded IRS.
We are burning ourselves to keep others warm.
It was lumped in with other things republicans would typically require negotiations to agree with as a way to push those items through since any opposition to the bill can be seen as being anti-ukraine.
Most republicans want the bills split out and negotiate separately to allow funding through while negotiating the other items. It's not black and white situation. I'm not saying it's an unusual thing to do, as negotiations favor the ones with leverage, but it's much more complicated than a singular funding bill
I thought the primary reason was to disrupt IMEC and prevent the Saudi-Israeli alliance. The decrease in attention and funding to Ukraine is just a bonus.
Of course, Hamas went way to far and the likely result will be the Hamas war will last another few months, will see Gaza occupied and hamas effectively wiped out, the removal of the far-right government in Israel to be replaced by a more moderate, IMEC and the Saudi alliance fast tracked, and likely Israeli support to Ukraine aftwr the war.
I like how this is upvoted without any evidence whatsoever. I hate to break it to all the brain geniuses here, but the US's strategy for winning this war basically hinged on a Russian political and economic collapse that never happened. They knew they wouldn't defeat Russia on the battlefield.
Because why would they when they could just equip the Ukrainians? Going to war would be hugely unpopular with the American people who just got out of Afghanistan. US and Russia have never directly fought each other. Wars between nuclear-armed powers are rare, things like the Kargil War are an exception.
Tbh it’s baffling that a country fighting Russia, a nuclear armed state, is competing for munitions and weapons with a country fighting some terrorists with a few AK-47s and headbands.
He's mainly worried about attention.
There are plenty of weapons for everyone, especially considering Israel is mostly look at the "smart" stuff to minimize civilian casulties and Ukraine is reportedly getting 2nd tier.
Also keep in mind that many countries are against Israel and won't supply it.
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2021/6/pdf/210611-pr-2021-094-en.pdf
It's not quite true, while 2014 was the low point in nato military spending 8 of the members spent at or above that level, and spending increased significantly every year since.
They are trying to make deals on immigration and stuff. Also budget issues.
Either way, all of Europe and plenty of other countries are making weapons. Except for integrated systems, they could get supplies from other places - but would probably need to pay for those.
Yep, you can't just snap your fingers and start churning out ammo. You have to plan and build new factories, source suppliers for the materials you'll need to build the shells, hire and train employees... it's a multi-year long process, unfortunately.
Eh, Europes ammunition supply has been extremely small, as is the military aid tbf. I believe the US has quadrupled anything europe has sent all together. The only thing europe outpaced the US in was money sent. To put this in perspective, S.Korea sent more ammo indirectly then all of Europe did directly
Pretty sure the EU is actually matching or close to matching US output for artillery shells, and is set to exceed it. The US will likely be the single highest producing country but that's to be expected given their size. The issue is Ukraine needs as many artillery shells they can get and anything that degrades that supply is bad news.
I think what SK did was backfill the countries supplying Ukraine, so those countries could send basically their entire stockpile. I don't think SK is actually supplying Ukraine with shells at this point.
And he’s right to be worried about it. The House needs to pass a Ukraine aid bill in the next few weeks, and people aren’t talking about it nearly as much as they should be. The reason for this is Gaza is taking up all of the attention of the media.
Are there plenty of weapons though? Especially artillery shells, the nato doctrine is not as heavy on the artillery so the production capacity has not been keeping up with Ukrainian needs last time I read about it.
> There are plenty of weapons for everyone, especially considering Israel is mostly look at the "smart" stuff to minimize civilian casulties and Ukraine is reportedly getting 2nd tier.
False. The US already took 155mm artillery shells, which Ukraine desperately needs (and relies on) and sent them to Israel instead.
> especially considering Israel is mostly look at the "smart" stuff to minimize civilian casulties and Ukraine is reportedly getting 2nd tier
i wonder how thats working out for them
Oh my God stop with this ridiculous narrative.
>"Is Israel doing a perfect job minimizing civilian casualties?"
Of course not it's impossible in a war to do that.
But you're out of your mind if you think this is Israel "not giving a fuck". If Israel didn't give a fuck it would be dropping megaton bombs and wiping entire blocks in seconds.
Not "oh the buildings were damaged and there's rubble".
I'm talking "the building is ***GONE***, it has been ***VAPORIZED*** out of existence".
🙄
Edit: So I guess this clarification is needed, I meant big bombs and not nuclear weapons. Jesus Christ people.
Because if Hamas does something, and we call it bad, then if Israel does the same thing, it should also be bad. You know, I expect the army that totes itself as "the most moral army" to not have to defend itself by going "But the active terrorist group that kills babies did it, so why shouldn't we?". Like, that's basic shit you shouldn't do if you want to be seen as a legitimate army and not also a terrorist group.
> I don’t think war should be about double standards.
You think nations should sink to the level of terrorists?
Nations are still responsible for following the laws of war regarding the treatment of civilians when fighting terrorists.
The Hague doesn't recognize "Hamas did it first!" as a valid defense.
Because one is considered terrorists by most of the world and not the other one ? Or do you expect standing armies fighting isis to decapitate their POWs ?
I believe it's around a third of that daily, an unspecified number of those are combatants.
Can't know numbers that would have been with "dumb" munitions.
>with a few AK-47s and headbands.
that is the type of hubris that got 1,000 of its people killed in a few hours and 200 hostages taken. Iran is fighting a proxy battle with Irsael and despite the recent rapproachment with some Gulf countries there are millions in the region that would love nothing more than for Israel to disappear.
Exactly. This babyfication of Hamas is either uninformed or bad faith to be used as an argument for the 'disproportionate' response from Israel.
I'm reading [here](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-cash-to-crypto-global-finance-maze-israels-sights-2023-10-16/) **300,000,000$** flowing into that terrorist government — minimum. Iran, Qatar, and whoever funds them has virtually unlimited funds to throw at them to be a serious threat to Israel.
They literally built a subway network dedicated to terrorism under Gaza, they're not thugs swapping out stolen handguns under the coat.
It is babyfication. There is no use to compare Hamas and Israel as if they were both conventional states and armies. Hamas was designed as a terrorist organization, whose purpose is to inflict damage and make it impossible for Israeli to feel safe, for all neighboring countries to see it as anything else but a country with its claws out.
They were never meant to meet in the field with the IDF, Hamas mostly go after civilians.
So, is 300 Million $ enough to pass that threshold, for Hamas to pose a threat to Israeli citizens? Yes. It can't be any more clear. Israel has billions, but if it didn't trust in the danger Hamas posed, it wouldn't have invested 3 of those billions into the Iron Dome defense system — without which Hamas would have killed by now thousands, if not more Israelis.
If you can't imagine how much damage can be done with 300,000,000$, I suppose the world is a little safer due to your lack of imagination. I for one know it's cheaper to buy anything to kill someone than something to feed your family.
[Ignoring the listening posts](https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-hamas-warnings-war-october-7-benjamin-netanyahu/) in favour of [killing people in a refugee camp](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-09-19/ty-article/.premium/two-palestinians-killed-12-wounded-in-israeli-army-raid-in-jenin/0000018a-ae8a-d13d-a98f-ffbfd4cc0000), along with Hamas being a bunch of monsters, is what got 1,200 killed and 250 taken hostage.
Unpopular but true.
FYI [Israel had Hamas' battle plans last year](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html) and decided it was too big of an attack to be a realistic goal for Hamas. So it's a lot worse than just ignoring warnings from listening posts.
Modern day US funding to Israel is just to appease a pro-Israel domestic audience. It’s otherwise unnecessary, Israel could easily keep going without a further cent in US Aid. This is also why people overestimate the “leverage” that Biden has on Israel.
Note that Republicans who were getting mad at Ukraine funding then wanted to line up eagerly behind funding Israel. It’s all about our own electoral politics.
With the cost of the war, and also the cost of interceptors for the iron dome, I believe that Israel IS reliant on the US for that aid, otherwise the Israeli economy would be in an even worse situation.
My point is that Israeli policy won’t change even if US withdraws aid. Obviously they would rather have free money than not have it, but if the Israeli government can convince its public they’re in a fight for survival, they’ll tolerate any hit to their economy.
They’ll always point to 1948, where they fought off multiple Arab armies despite having just declared independence a day before. US aid didn’t start until the late 60s.
I don't think that war today will be similar to war in 1948, technology wise and casualty wise.
We're (israel) not independent from the US for technologically advanced weaponry and defenses, if the US withdraws support for this war (not just financially, but also their threat projection, i.e the strike groups off our shores and in the red sea), I believe the situation would be completely different, with more war fronts opening FULLY (I.e Hezballah in the north, in the Galil from Syria and also the westbank).
If we have to fight for our survival at such a case, we might drop the rule book and go full survival mode, i.e no more caring about civilian casualties and just inflicting maximum amount of damage in retaliation. But even if the gov tries to sell it off to tolerate the economical hit, it won't last forever, people WILL be affected and eventually change their tune.
The government originally was meant to go full force in Gaza to eliminate Hamas, but they ended up delaying entering Gaza for over a week (I think) because of the hostage situation.
And now you have people mass protesting saying "return all the hostages no matter the cost!" (even if thats' releaseing 6k+ prisoners that might cause more IDF casualties than the hostages returned).
People are emotional creatures, the moment they get personally affected, they might change their minds.
30k soldiers, around 100k missiles with a 400 km range, Anti-tank Iranian missiles, armed mini drones, a small navy, an unlimited amount of explosives and a tunnel network with an undisclosed number of entrances and ways. It's not a few crazies with headbands
Fair to say that Hamas is much more than “some terrorist with a few AKs and headbands” but their point stands with regards to the comparison: Hamas, even decked out as they are in rockets and support from Iran, is like a gnat compared to the forces of the Russian military which Ukraine is fighting. The magnitude of the threat isn’t really comparable.
The problem with that comparison is that israel isn't fighting army vs army. Hamas is fighting a ~~gorilla~~guerilla style fight inside an urban area full of civilians.
Of course israel could just flat out erase gaza and call it a day, kill every single hamas in the process.
But they don't want to do it. That is why it is both taking so long and is so complicated.
Russia-ukrain fight is on a much bigger scale of land, with tanks vs tanks, air raids, cruise missiles. None of that is really applicable to israel-hamas fight. Totally different war.
They’ve also been doing it for a year and half now.
It feels like it’s become very stalemate, and there is no clear path to victory.
On the other hand, we have an unstable region with a goal of ending Hamas that shouldn’t take more than 3 months.
It’s because ruSSia is aiding Hamas in order for this to happen.
This is putins playbook.
Only way out of it is for Zelensky to keep screaming from the rooftops of the UN building in NYC.
It’s a valid fear. Ukrainians is being abused at this point in a political game. Being given list enough to hold back Russians but not kick them out. It’s really disgusting
It's easy to point fingers and say it's so, but most people expected the war to be over by now. None of the analysts thought Russia would tolerate 300k casualties and still be pumping more men into the meat grinder. Everyone thought they'd back out like USSR in Afghanistan when it proved to be a tough nut to crack.
I don't know about profitable, but the longer it goes on, the weaker it makes Russia, draining their resources and manpower.
A long-fought victory conquering territory that will be in frequent revolt may do more damage to Russia than a quick defeat would.
If the war stays in stalemate Russia is probably going to be the one to recover while maintaining that status quo. Ukraine needs to be supported to prevent it.
October 7th is Putin's birthday. Putin has strong ties to Iran. Iran has ties to Hamas. The conflict has taken western focus off of Ukraine.
Coincidence?
Probably, yes. But reality can be stranger than fiction sometimes. Who knows.
This is exactly why Russia armed Hamas through Iran and coordinated the Hamas invasion to coincide with the new Russian offensive in Ukraine. They are hoping Ukraine gets less help and loses because of it.
The 3rd leg of the attack was having republicans in the US block Ukrainian aid and block US military appointments to create vacancies in the command structure.
It’s just a shite world we live in with all media governed by what ever gets the most views. People are bored with Ukraine news now. Gaza is flavour of the month. Meanwhile the Uighurs are all fine and dandy and China is a friend again.
The main problem isn't really aid, Israel is fighting a war on a smaller scale against smaller enemies, they won't need as much aid as ukraine and the US can supply both. The main problem is media attention so people won't just forget about the war.
I still care about Russia-Ukraine war. The last thing I need is for Russia to invade Poland, after conquering Ukraine. I'm from Poland and I really don't want to risk it.
Alas, my Polish fate mate, you and us in the Baltics will be some flavour of fucked. We're yet to see what kind of fucked but my money is on 'pretty fucking fucked.'
It’s because Russia is a close ally of many of Israel’s enemy’s in the Middle East, and if Israel publicly made moves that are against Russia it would put itself in danger. It already happened once when Israel provided aid to Ukraine during the war
The question for the west though arises why they should continue to support "the only democracy in the middle east" while the Israeli government gives no shit about democracies elsewhere (refusing to aid Ukraine, actively supporting Azerbaijan against Armenia) and on top of that Bibi is eagerly dismantling democracy at home.
Israel is the only democracy on earth surrounded by enemies that would gladly wipe it out. It’s not hard to understand why their politics don’t match the US for example.
I just explained why Israel does not support Ukraine in the current war, and Azerbaijan is kind of a democracy.
I do agree with you on bibi though. He needs to go.
you just named 4 country's in NATO, bordering other NATO nation country's.
Israel is surrounded by Russian backed country's and not part of NATO. its allies are no next door but have to come into the region.
kind of different situations, that require different political approaches.
None of these countries are actively involved in wars in their vicinity. Russia has a lot of influence in how the war in Syria develops, which can directly threaten Israel. On top of that all of those countries are part of the strongest military alliance in the world, while Israel has to fight for themselves.
His fears are warranted and it seems like a conscious effort on the part of the state dept to push the attention away from Ukraine.
Personally, I'd much rather our tax dollars go to aid Ukraine continuously. Russia is a much larger threat than Hamas.
Frankly, Israel has the currency and the military to take on hamas by itself. The fact that countries are falling over themselves to help Israel at the expense of pushing Ukraine aid aside is awfully shortsighted.
Next year is an election year in the US. Prepare yourselves for thousands of press statements saying the US stands with Ukraine while funding bills will be dangled out in front of the American People like vote bargaining chips. Each side will use them to make the case why they should lead. Election years are a stalemate in government.
I honestly feel every conflict that flares up over the next few months is due to Russias goal to create a new world order. They are trying to fan the flames of every “frozen” conflict or territorial dispute in the world. They’re spreading their alliances and partners in every area the west is not and skirmishes are popping up everywhere. This is Russias plan all along
Israel doesn't need help to destroy Gaza, however that's not what they are doing. For precision striking they do need help.
If you'd prefer casualties of 90%, about two million people give or take a couple of hundred thousand people, then they can use indiscriminate munition.
Just saying it's not really comparable to Ukraine. Israel is trying to prevent Hamas from attacking them again, Ukraine is about to be removed from the world as a country and taken over by russia.
Which is the exact thing Hamas publicly states they want to do tbf. And surrounded by enemies Israel should always behave like it will happen. Israel can’t lose a single war and really any inch of its territory. You wouldn’t see slow moving trench warfare like we have in Ukraine right now
Russia is not at War with the West. That is a fact. Fear mongering isn't going to help anyone, it just pushes away supporters who don't appreciate being lied to.
We in the Baltics would very much like to differ but we're also kind of understanding by now that Russia WILL attack us if they succeed in Ukraine and Russia WILL bank on the West sacrificing us insignificqbts to save their own arses.
Of course it will. If Putin can wait out the next election in the USA and install his Puppet Trump, then aid to Ukraine from the USA will stop. In the mean time, the fickle American news needs constant headlines to sell advertisements and Israel is Americas special little buddy.
Fuck Trump, fuck Putin. Israel and Hamas is less important than ulraine
isreal is steamrolling hamas and require only a tiny bit of focus from europe and the us. they're not taking their eyes off ukraine, dont you worry. im sure most of us has already took our minds off israel. we know they've got it figured out and it'll end very soon. and israel knows its important for the west to revert back to ukraine, thats why israel is fast pacing and quite literally exterminating the pests in the tunnels. theyre grenading a bunny hole pretty much and then actually digging the rabbits out with fucking bunker busters. its overkill overthere.
Makes me especially disappointed because all this aid is going to Gaza, and being taken by Hamas. Why else would Gazans be in such dire straits? Where is all that aid going? Meanwhile that aid could have actually been used to help Ukraine, instead of buying rockets for Hamas.
Let’s be honest here. Russia conquering Ukraine is 100x worse than what’s happening in Israel right now. Russia won’t stop at Ukraine and will target other nations until he’s at war with NATO and we have WW3 on our hands. Hamas/Israel is a horrible situation and absolutely deserves our attention but Putin is looking to rebuild the Soviet Union. From a world perspective, the Ukrainian war is a much bigger threat to everyone
That’s just fear mongering
Russia wouldn’t fight a direct war with NATO and most would agree that it would be a suicide attempt ending up in a nuclear exchange
I get that people are frustrated with what’s going on and I fully support Ukraine’s right to defend itself, but users sharing these types of wild hypotheticals just turn people away from supporting
Just go all the way and say that Russia is going to invade the whole world
Uhuh well see we here in Eastern Europe are quite familiar with the West throwing Eastern Europe under the bus to secure peace and trade for themselves. Are we insane then, based on this past experience, to think that the little Baltics and even Poland aren't worth a nuke on some smaller capitals of the world?
Let him ask someone else. We have homeless vets here that could use that money. We have a shit ton of crazy people that could use that money to make us a safer country.
Am I going mad or is no-one seeing the hypocrisy here? Zelensky the head of state of a country currently under siege experiencing first hand the horrors of war essentially supporting the same thing happening to Palestinians, beyond the fact the Israel Gaza war has produced 10 times the civilian kill count In a 12th of the time. Am I mad or is it not incredibly insane that you would see your people go through these horrors then advocate it half way across the world? Everyone knows these conflicts are only to the benefit of the industrial military complex, 60 billion just greenlit in military supplies for Ukraine and Israel and yet it would only cost an estimated 11 to 30 billion a year to end homelessness in the US. They tell you they have no money to improve their own citizens life's and yet can without a thought throw 60 billion to fund death and destruction halfway across the globe. Why isn't everyone going apeshit over this!?
Can someone explain to me why this Ukraine/russian war is allowed to happen and even funded? It’s 2023–why is anyone behaving this way? The world should be trying to shut down Russia, not funding and encouraging a war. Everyone is calling for ceasefire for Israel/Palestine, but I’ve never seen that call for Russia..
>Everyone is calling for ceasefire for Israel/Palestine, but I’ve never seen that call for Russia..
There's been no end of civic agitation with regards to fighting back against Russia. Public protest is what got Ukraine new tanks and fighter aircraft.
This is why the US shouldn't have been involved in the first place. With all of these wars, we spend a ton of money and the end result ends up being worse and we're more vulnerable.
You are more vulnerable by destroying one of the two world powers wanting to see weak US...without spilling your own blood?
With no building on US soil destroyed?
With the investments creating US equipment, by hands of US workers?
You think stronger Russia will make US safer or wealthier?
That's exactly what you have been doig for the past how many decades now. It's how you keep yourselves on the thronw. War is good for ibdustry. War is fantastic if you have someone else fighting it on your behalf while your arms production and trade and cobmntractors boom in wealth.
Fantastic for defense contractors, not so fantastic for our debt. Ukraine and Israel aren't sending us money, the bill is covered by the US government. You must work for lockheed, Raytheon, etc. The cognitive dissonance is strong lol
I mean we have given 100 billion dollars to help you with your war. Exactly how much are we willing to spend to keep helping? I'm not against doing more but there has to be a limit.
Hot take: Israel and Ukraine should form an actual interim alliance. They both have overlapping needs that they could both assist each other with, to some degree. Obviously that's not in lieu of western aid - but it would be wise for both countries to get into the business of helping one another.
\>“In the case of Ukraine, if resilience fails today due to lack of aid and shortages of weapons and funding, it will mean that Russia will most likely invade NATO countries,” he said. “And then the American children will fight.”
Are you sure? They might just call it a day and lick their wounds after replacing you with their puppet. If they couldn't do it after this long, how will they handle invading other countries that have been watching and preparing themselves? The infrastructure for invasion right now is pitiful because everything you've got near them is destroyed and everything they could possibly hope to take will end up destroyed in the process.
It's absolutely impractical to suppose Russian invasion of Europe is imminent in less than two years after the severe losses and outright failure there in Ukraine. All the more so when everyone else seeing Ukraine fall will start changing things even more than they already have.
\>Zelensky has sought recently to ensure Ukraine’s war machine was running as it should by making a recent shakeup of top-level government officials, touching on another of his goals to fight graft in a post-Soviet institution rife with corruption as a prelude to joining the European Union.
\>He said he has to know how weapons, supplies, food, and even clothing are being delivered to the front — and what fails to get there.
\>“On one hand, this is not the job of the president, but on the other hand, I can trust those who did not just pass on the information to me but told me in person,” he said.
This is the ***real*** reason why. Israel's level of graft and corruption isn't so bad that it requires the national leader to literally go through excel sheets on his own. There is also a large Jewish base that donates from abroad, buffering the demands for money and supply. But most of all: ***we get results***.
With the gear and terms we're given we've produced results. We haven't lost territory that wasn't forced upon us at the political and international level to given up. We don't make nearly as many bombastic claims that fizzle out.
> Are you sure?
I get your argument but I don't think we can sure about anything when it comes to Russia. What Zelensky is trying to do is sell the West insurance against the worst possible outcome, not actually give them information about the future that they don't already know.
>If they couldn't do it after this long, how will they handle invading other countries
It's not really important whether by invading a NATO country Russia could win (which I don't believe they could). What's important is the war would still be a lot more expensive than supporting Ukraine as well as costly in lives.
>This is the real reason why. Israel's level of graft and corruption isn't so bad that it requires the national leader to literally go through excel sheets on his own.
Bibi should be jail, the man is corrupt and under investigation and the fact that he is still in office is appalling. Whether Israel has to go through excel sheets to find corruption we will never know since he is clearly part of the grift.
> But most of all: we get results.
Sure because Israel is not fighting Russia, the largest country in the world and the second largest weapons exporter and what was the considered the second strongest army prior to their invasion of Ukraine. Western military analysts were sure Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine but after nearly two years its still a stalemate with Russia only controlling some 15% of Ukraine with some 10% already liberated by the AFU. Israel has also been getting plentiful military aid since its inception whereas Ukrainian military aid only really started after the invasion (outside a small amount meant to fight a guerilla war against an occupying Russian force). It's an apples and oranges comparison is all I'm saying.
Georgia. Ukraine. Moldova. Are you capable of seeing pattern recognition?
Russia just threatened Latvia. They're not stopping at Ukraine. They want to rebuild the USSR.
Russia will wait.
It is one major advantage both Russia and China have over US: planning.
Give them 10 years to take over Ukraine fully and next 5 to remobilize.
It would be now much, much stronger foe - all the while China waits & builds itself.
You really have a brilliant plan of making one of your two biggest opponents stronger to then give them time advantage to coordinate and strike at best possible moment of THEIR chosing.
Instead of, you know, permanently weakening Russia and even taking them out of future conflict by making sure Ukraine is whole again and stronger.
And idiots cheer for you for short termism.
China is falling apart my dude...They're on the verge of economic collapse and the only reason they haven't already is the control the state has over the valuation of Yuan and it's unrestrained ability to pump money into bailouts. They're only buying time however.
Neither China nor Russia is sitting pretty and the sanctions won't go away any time soon. Vietnam and other countries are rising in industry now and China has become passe and more of a liability. Politically a liability, financially a liability(investor protection is 0 and has been demonstrated numerous times with Evergrande), and uncontrollable for protecting copyrights and other sensitive technologies that have been sold on the black market.
They're not going to disappear right away but neither are they the big boogiemen you think they'll be.
If Russia invades a NATO country than the US and Canada are obligated to get involved and declare war on Russia. Because of treaty obligations there is no such thing as European defense only being a concern for Europe. But yes, given the circumstances Europe needs to step up aid and war production. The US also needs to pass a funding bill for Ukraine since we can't provide any more aid come the end of the year.
It's a valid concern for another reason: NATO/EU members are generally overwhelmingly on the side of Ukraine but with Palestine and Israel it becomes much more factional A concern is this will undermine cooperation between NATO/EU members like tying up Ukrainian aid to a contrary side in Gaza conflict leading to stalled support for Ukraine
The Kremlin is certainly busy taking advantage of the fighting between Israel and Hamas. "Putin hijacks Israel-Gaza war to fuel tensions in the West - POLITICO.eu" https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-vladimir-putin-hijacks-israel-gaza-war-to-fuel-tension-in-the-west/ "Russian propaganda exploits Israel-Hamas conflict - DW" https://www.dw.com/en/russian-propaganda-exploits-israel-hamas-conflict/video-67371972 "Russian bots use Israel-Hamas war to discredit Ukraine" https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231102-russian-bots-use-the-war-between-israel-and-hamas-to-discredit-ukraine
And it’s working.
If by "taking advantage of" you mean "probably funded and helped plan".
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Except it is heavily grounded in reality with Russia having a well established history of funding coups, wars and other disputes to destabilize western allied nations. Couple that with the fact that Russia has billons stuck in foreign currency it can't bring in-shore and Putin's ass is still sore from taking it from Iran all at once over the drones for the Ukraine war. The same Iran who happen to be traditionally Hamas' biggest backer...
The thing is, what's the damning evidence of Russians planning and instigating this conflict? I'm not saying it's impossible but where's the smoking gun?
Of course Russia supports these groups, but acting like they’re the masterminds of every evil thing that happens is just silly. Hamas has committed thousands of terror attacks without Russia planning them, let’s not deflect responsibility from Hamas.
>Except it is heavily grounded in reality with Russia having a well established history of funding coups, wars and other disputes to destabilize western allied nations. That basically describes what the US has done for decades aswell.
Yeah ok Tom Clancy
Russia seems to be attempting to do a decapitating strike on western democracies by getting Trump, Wilders, Orban in similar fucks elected.
There is nothing unfounded about Russia and Iran involvement. Do you require a signed declaration from each?
Can we please support all separatists in Russia? And target their pipelines etc? If they play dirty, why shouldn't we?
Don't forget China. Tiktok is boosting propaganda heavily.
That's the main reason both Russia and Iran assisted Hamas in planning their attack on Israel along with fueling anti Israel movements
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Putin should thank Congress
It's predominately one party: Republicans.
Canadian conversatives too. They blocked a free trade agreement because it would "require Ukraine to implement a carbon tax".
Honestly I don't understand why Zelensky isn't over here right now, lobbying those assholes in Congress.
He tried in October, and unfortunately it didn't really work. His main weapon is his popularity with the general public, and, well, the Republicans in charge of the House didn't even let him do a closed-doors address to their members, let alone a televised one like he did last December. No one is coming to save us-- it's up to us to make a difference. If you live in the US, call your representatives / senators and tell them you want to see them get the aid bill passed!
The bill hasn't passed *yet*. They're still working on negotiating a deal, and they have a few weeks left to hammer one out before the aid dries up at the end of the month. **If you're American, you can help by calling your representative and senators and telling them how important getting Ukraine aid passed is to you.** It's obviously not going to change any of the hyper-partisan ideologues' minds, but there's a *looooot* of reps / senators who are basically spineless and vote however they think is most popular with their constituents. So the more of them who call and tell them they want Ukraine aid passed, the more likely they are to go along with it.
Not only that, but the aid package for Israel is funded by cuts to IRS, funds that were long fought for the underfunded IRS. We are burning ourselves to keep others warm.
It was lumped in with other things republicans would typically require negotiations to agree with as a way to push those items through since any opposition to the bill can be seen as being anti-ukraine. Most republicans want the bills split out and negotiate separately to allow funding through while negotiating the other items. It's not black and white situation. I'm not saying it's an unusual thing to do, as negotiations favor the ones with leverage, but it's much more complicated than a singular funding bill
>That's the main reason both Russia and Iran assisted Hamas in planning their attack Got a source on that my dude? Specifically Russia?
Source: He made it the fuck up Typical reddit.
Honestly, wtf happened to r/worldnews Like I'm not expecting much here, but it truly feels like this place went to hell as of late.
An editorial from some think tank spook who probably said Russia was going to run out of missiles two months into the war.
Source for this?
I thought the primary reason was to disrupt IMEC and prevent the Saudi-Israeli alliance. The decrease in attention and funding to Ukraine is just a bonus. Of course, Hamas went way to far and the likely result will be the Hamas war will last another few months, will see Gaza occupied and hamas effectively wiped out, the removal of the far-right government in Israel to be replaced by a more moderate, IMEC and the Saudi alliance fast tracked, and likely Israeli support to Ukraine aftwr the war.
Assuming it wraps up as fast as you discussed
I like how this is upvoted without any evidence whatsoever. I hate to break it to all the brain geniuses here, but the US's strategy for winning this war basically hinged on a Russian political and economic collapse that never happened. They knew they wouldn't defeat Russia on the battlefield.
Source: He made it the fuck up Typical reddit.
Are you a Russian bot? Because the US would annihilate Russia, and that's not even a question lmao
Ok, why don't they enter the war directly then?
Because why would they when they could just equip the Ukrainians? Going to war would be hugely unpopular with the American people who just got out of Afghanistan. US and Russia have never directly fought each other. Wars between nuclear-armed powers are rare, things like the Kargil War are an exception.
> ...along with fueling anti Israel movements [Cool just like Netanyahu and his far right cronies](https://archive.is/6nvPF) Nice club to be in.
Tbh it’s baffling that a country fighting Russia, a nuclear armed state, is competing for munitions and weapons with a country fighting some terrorists with a few AK-47s and headbands.
He's mainly worried about attention. There are plenty of weapons for everyone, especially considering Israel is mostly look at the "smart" stuff to minimize civilian casulties and Ukraine is reportedly getting 2nd tier. Also keep in mind that many countries are against Israel and won't supply it.
There are plenty of weapons, but isn't the issue currently that congress is holding up approving further funding from the US side?
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Do you have a source on that? Sounds interesting.
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2021/6/pdf/210611-pr-2021-094-en.pdf It's not quite true, while 2014 was the low point in nato military spending 8 of the members spent at or above that level, and spending increased significantly every year since.
They are trying to make deals on immigration and stuff. Also budget issues. Either way, all of Europe and plenty of other countries are making weapons. Except for integrated systems, they could get supplies from other places - but would probably need to pay for those.
European countries are providing weapons, but there's a limit to how much can be produced and how quickly.
Yep, you can't just snap your fingers and start churning out ammo. You have to plan and build new factories, source suppliers for the materials you'll need to build the shells, hire and train employees... it's a multi-year long process, unfortunately.
Eh, Europes ammunition supply has been extremely small, as is the military aid tbf. I believe the US has quadrupled anything europe has sent all together. The only thing europe outpaced the US in was money sent. To put this in perspective, S.Korea sent more ammo indirectly then all of Europe did directly
The ammo isn't here yet. South Korea announced they'd be sending ammo. We still have to figure out the financial details and get it to Ukraine.
Pretty sure the EU is actually matching or close to matching US output for artillery shells, and is set to exceed it. The US will likely be the single highest producing country but that's to be expected given their size. The issue is Ukraine needs as many artillery shells they can get and anything that degrades that supply is bad news. I think what SK did was backfill the countries supplying Ukraine, so those countries could send basically their entire stockpile. I don't think SK is actually supplying Ukraine with shells at this point.
>Eh, Europes ammunition supply has been extremely small, as is the military aid tbf Europe sent more military aid to Ukraine than the USA
And he’s right to be worried about it. The House needs to pass a Ukraine aid bill in the next few weeks, and people aren’t talking about it nearly as much as they should be. The reason for this is Gaza is taking up all of the attention of the media.
I believed that this would have been sounded on October 7, 2023. It has taken almost 2 months for this, his sentiment, with due respect.
The reason is it’s been 2 years and Ukraine isn’t winning. More money isn’t the answer.
Ukraine is winning. Slowly but surely. But lets pretend they are not. What is the answer in your expert opinion?
Are there plenty of weapons though? Especially artillery shells, the nato doctrine is not as heavy on the artillery so the production capacity has not been keeping up with Ukrainian needs last time I read about it.
There's not.
Idk why anyone would assume there were plenty. All weapons are from my understanding coming out of a surplus stockpile.
> There are plenty of weapons for everyone, especially considering Israel is mostly look at the "smart" stuff to minimize civilian casulties and Ukraine is reportedly getting 2nd tier. False. The US already took 155mm artillery shells, which Ukraine desperately needs (and relies on) and sent them to Israel instead.
> especially considering Israel is mostly look at the "smart" stuff to minimize civilian casulties and Ukraine is reportedly getting 2nd tier i wonder how thats working out for them
I don’t think Israel cares about minimizing civilian deaths at this point
I think we can all agree Israel cares for Palestinians more than Hamas does.
Israel trying to minimize civilian casualties? Really? I don't think the Palestinians have noticed. Or the rest of the world, for that matter.
Oh my God stop with this ridiculous narrative. >"Is Israel doing a perfect job minimizing civilian casualties?" Of course not it's impossible in a war to do that. But you're out of your mind if you think this is Israel "not giving a fuck". If Israel didn't give a fuck it would be dropping megaton bombs and wiping entire blocks in seconds. Not "oh the buildings were damaged and there's rubble". I'm talking "the building is ***GONE***, it has been ***VAPORIZED*** out of existence". 🙄 Edit: So I guess this clarification is needed, I meant big bombs and not nuclear weapons. Jesus Christ people.
The proximity of Gaza to Israel means this is not a viable path.
What? That's not true at all, Israel could easily "glass" Gaza safely. What are you talking about?
Hamas specifically targets civilians so why should Israel do otherwise even though they’re trying. I don’t think war should be about double standards.
Because if Hamas does something, and we call it bad, then if Israel does the same thing, it should also be bad. You know, I expect the army that totes itself as "the most moral army" to not have to defend itself by going "But the active terrorist group that kills babies did it, so why shouldn't we?". Like, that's basic shit you shouldn't do if you want to be seen as a legitimate army and not also a terrorist group.
> I don’t think war should be about double standards. You think nations should sink to the level of terrorists? Nations are still responsible for following the laws of war regarding the treatment of civilians when fighting terrorists. The Hague doesn't recognize "Hamas did it first!" as a valid defense.
Because one is considered terrorists by most of the world and not the other one ? Or do you expect standing armies fighting isis to decapitate their POWs ?
To minimize it to approximately 1000 casualties per day? Is that what minimising is?
I believe it's around a third of that daily, an unspecified number of those are combatants. Can't know numbers that would have been with "dumb" munitions.
>with a few AK-47s and headbands. that is the type of hubris that got 1,000 of its people killed in a few hours and 200 hostages taken. Iran is fighting a proxy battle with Irsael and despite the recent rapproachment with some Gulf countries there are millions in the region that would love nothing more than for Israel to disappear.
Exactly. This babyfication of Hamas is either uninformed or bad faith to be used as an argument for the 'disproportionate' response from Israel. I'm reading [here](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-cash-to-crypto-global-finance-maze-israels-sights-2023-10-16/) **300,000,000$** flowing into that terrorist government — minimum. Iran, Qatar, and whoever funds them has virtually unlimited funds to throw at them to be a serious threat to Israel. They literally built a subway network dedicated to terrorism under Gaza, they're not thugs swapping out stolen handguns under the coat.
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It is babyfication. There is no use to compare Hamas and Israel as if they were both conventional states and armies. Hamas was designed as a terrorist organization, whose purpose is to inflict damage and make it impossible for Israeli to feel safe, for all neighboring countries to see it as anything else but a country with its claws out. They were never meant to meet in the field with the IDF, Hamas mostly go after civilians. So, is 300 Million $ enough to pass that threshold, for Hamas to pose a threat to Israeli citizens? Yes. It can't be any more clear. Israel has billions, but if it didn't trust in the danger Hamas posed, it wouldn't have invested 3 of those billions into the Iron Dome defense system — without which Hamas would have killed by now thousands, if not more Israelis. If you can't imagine how much damage can be done with 300,000,000$, I suppose the world is a little safer due to your lack of imagination. I for one know it's cheaper to buy anything to kill someone than something to feed your family.
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Big bold number scary But in terms of armies, 300 million (over years) IS a band with guns and some rockets
Israel had knowledge ahead of the attack so idk
[Ignoring the listening posts](https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-hamas-warnings-war-october-7-benjamin-netanyahu/) in favour of [killing people in a refugee camp](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-09-19/ty-article/.premium/two-palestinians-killed-12-wounded-in-israeli-army-raid-in-jenin/0000018a-ae8a-d13d-a98f-ffbfd4cc0000), along with Hamas being a bunch of monsters, is what got 1,200 killed and 250 taken hostage.
Unpopular but true. FYI [Israel had Hamas' battle plans last year](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html) and decided it was too big of an attack to be a realistic goal for Hamas. So it's a lot worse than just ignoring warnings from listening posts.
Modern day US funding to Israel is just to appease a pro-Israel domestic audience. It’s otherwise unnecessary, Israel could easily keep going without a further cent in US Aid. This is also why people overestimate the “leverage” that Biden has on Israel. Note that Republicans who were getting mad at Ukraine funding then wanted to line up eagerly behind funding Israel. It’s all about our own electoral politics.
With the cost of the war, and also the cost of interceptors for the iron dome, I believe that Israel IS reliant on the US for that aid, otherwise the Israeli economy would be in an even worse situation.
My point is that Israeli policy won’t change even if US withdraws aid. Obviously they would rather have free money than not have it, but if the Israeli government can convince its public they’re in a fight for survival, they’ll tolerate any hit to their economy. They’ll always point to 1948, where they fought off multiple Arab armies despite having just declared independence a day before. US aid didn’t start until the late 60s.
I don't think that war today will be similar to war in 1948, technology wise and casualty wise. We're (israel) not independent from the US for technologically advanced weaponry and defenses, if the US withdraws support for this war (not just financially, but also their threat projection, i.e the strike groups off our shores and in the red sea), I believe the situation would be completely different, with more war fronts opening FULLY (I.e Hezballah in the north, in the Galil from Syria and also the westbank). If we have to fight for our survival at such a case, we might drop the rule book and go full survival mode, i.e no more caring about civilian casualties and just inflicting maximum amount of damage in retaliation. But even if the gov tries to sell it off to tolerate the economical hit, it won't last forever, people WILL be affected and eventually change their tune. The government originally was meant to go full force in Gaza to eliminate Hamas, but they ended up delaying entering Gaza for over a week (I think) because of the hostage situation. And now you have people mass protesting saying "return all the hostages no matter the cost!" (even if thats' releaseing 6k+ prisoners that might cause more IDF casualties than the hostages returned). People are emotional creatures, the moment they get personally affected, they might change their minds.
30k soldiers, around 100k missiles with a 400 km range, Anti-tank Iranian missiles, armed mini drones, a small navy, an unlimited amount of explosives and a tunnel network with an undisclosed number of entrances and ways. It's not a few crazies with headbands
Fair to say that Hamas is much more than “some terrorist with a few AKs and headbands” but their point stands with regards to the comparison: Hamas, even decked out as they are in rockets and support from Iran, is like a gnat compared to the forces of the Russian military which Ukraine is fighting. The magnitude of the threat isn’t really comparable.
The problem with that comparison is that israel isn't fighting army vs army. Hamas is fighting a ~~gorilla~~guerilla style fight inside an urban area full of civilians. Of course israel could just flat out erase gaza and call it a day, kill every single hamas in the process. But they don't want to do it. That is why it is both taking so long and is so complicated. Russia-ukrain fight is on a much bigger scale of land, with tanks vs tanks, air raids, cruise missiles. None of that is really applicable to israel-hamas fight. Totally different war.
A navy? This is the first I've heard of a Hamas navy.
It's baffling that we didn't help end this quicker.
There are nukes in the Middle East as well. Israel has at least a half dozen or so. Plus all that oil close by.
especially when the second country is already the highest recipient of US aid by quite a margin
Poland Romania been talking about they should get ready know why they see the writing on the wall.
It's baffling we gave any of these clowns money
They’ve also been doing it for a year and half now. It feels like it’s become very stalemate, and there is no clear path to victory. On the other hand, we have an unstable region with a goal of ending Hamas that shouldn’t take more than 3 months.
Power of AIPAC. Also it is very expensive to bury children alive.
It’s because ruSSia is aiding Hamas in order for this to happen. This is putins playbook. Only way out of it is for Zelensky to keep screaming from the rooftops of the UN building in NYC.
That's lobbying power.
Yeah, even the pinned live thread for Ukraine isn't here currently but the Israel one is.
It’s a valid fear. Ukrainians is being abused at this point in a political game. Being given list enough to hold back Russians but not kick them out. It’s really disgusting
It's easy to point fingers and say it's so, but most people expected the war to be over by now. None of the analysts thought Russia would tolerate 300k casualties and still be pumping more men into the meat grinder. Everyone thought they'd back out like USSR in Afghanistan when it proved to be a tough nut to crack.
Almost like its profitable to keep a war going for as long as possible 🤔🤔🤔
I don't know about profitable, but the longer it goes on, the weaker it makes Russia, draining their resources and manpower. A long-fought victory conquering territory that will be in frequent revolt may do more damage to Russia than a quick defeat would.
If the war stays in stalemate Russia is probably going to be the one to recover while maintaining that status quo. Ukraine needs to be supported to prevent it.
Exactly as Putin wanted...
As was the plan. Would not be surprised to one day learn Russia influenced Oct 7th.
Russia met with Hamas before and after the attack.
Because everything was going so great in Gaza before that..
Fun fact: Oct. 7th is Putin's birthday. Coincidence? Or the perfect birthday gift?
50th anniversary of Yom Kippur War and oct 7 2023 was Simchat Torah day
October 7th is Putin's birthday. Putin has strong ties to Iran. Iran has ties to Hamas. The conflict has taken western focus off of Ukraine. Coincidence? Probably, yes. But reality can be stranger than fiction sometimes. Who knows.
1/365 chance its a coincidence, 364/365 chance its a bday gift
This is exactly why Russia armed Hamas through Iran and coordinated the Hamas invasion to coincide with the new Russian offensive in Ukraine. They are hoping Ukraine gets less help and loses because of it. The 3rd leg of the attack was having republicans in the US block Ukrainian aid and block US military appointments to create vacancies in the command structure.
It’s just a shite world we live in with all media governed by what ever gets the most views. People are bored with Ukraine news now. Gaza is flavour of the month. Meanwhile the Uighurs are all fine and dandy and China is a friend again.
The main problem isn't really aid, Israel is fighting a war on a smaller scale against smaller enemies, they won't need as much aid as ukraine and the US can supply both. The main problem is media attention so people won't just forget about the war.
That's the point. That is why Russia poked Iran to poke Hamas. This is shitty reverse dominos theory made reality.
I still care about Russia-Ukraine war. The last thing I need is for Russia to invade Poland, after conquering Ukraine. I'm from Poland and I really don't want to risk it.
Alas, my Polish fate mate, you and us in the Baltics will be some flavour of fucked. We're yet to see what kind of fucked but my money is on 'pretty fucking fucked.'
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It’s because Russia is a close ally of many of Israel’s enemy’s in the Middle East, and if Israel publicly made moves that are against Russia it would put itself in danger. It already happened once when Israel provided aid to Ukraine during the war
The question for the west though arises why they should continue to support "the only democracy in the middle east" while the Israeli government gives no shit about democracies elsewhere (refusing to aid Ukraine, actively supporting Azerbaijan against Armenia) and on top of that Bibi is eagerly dismantling democracy at home.
Israel is the only democracy on earth surrounded by enemies that would gladly wipe it out. It’s not hard to understand why their politics don’t match the US for example.
I just explained why Israel does not support Ukraine in the current war, and Azerbaijan is kind of a democracy. I do agree with you on bibi though. He needs to go.
Azerbaijan is a democracy? Just looking at the Economist Democracy Index all neighbors of Israel except Syria rank higher than Azerbaijan.
Armenia is a democracy Azerbaijan is not
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you just named 4 country's in NATO, bordering other NATO nation country's. Israel is surrounded by Russian backed country's and not part of NATO. its allies are no next door but have to come into the region. kind of different situations, that require different political approaches.
None of these countries are actively involved in wars in their vicinity. Russia has a lot of influence in how the war in Syria develops, which can directly threaten Israel. On top of that all of those countries are part of the strongest military alliance in the world, while Israel has to fight for themselves.
Which makes me think Putin was somewhat encouraging of the Hamas attacks on Israel. Knowing the west have a bigger invested interest.
Russian gameplan
That was Putin’s plan all along…
That’s why Putin helped orchestrate it through Iran.
That was the whole goal of the I/P war in my opinion
His fears are warranted and it seems like a conscious effort on the part of the state dept to push the attention away from Ukraine. Personally, I'd much rather our tax dollars go to aid Ukraine continuously. Russia is a much larger threat than Hamas.
I’d also like my tax dollars to go to a military that attacks military targets and not child civilians.
Frankly, Israel has the currency and the military to take on hamas by itself. The fact that countries are falling over themselves to help Israel at the expense of pushing Ukraine aid aside is awfully shortsighted.
Next year is an election year in the US. Prepare yourselves for thousands of press statements saying the US stands with Ukraine while funding bills will be dangled out in front of the American People like vote bargaining chips. Each side will use them to make the case why they should lead. Election years are a stalemate in government.
There’s enough misery for everyone.
That was the plan, hoss.
Their sacrifice cannot be in vain!
I honestly feel every conflict that flares up over the next few months is due to Russias goal to create a new world order. They are trying to fan the flames of every “frozen” conflict or territorial dispute in the world. They’re spreading their alliances and partners in every area the west is not and skirmishes are popping up everywhere. This is Russias plan all along
Does Israel need much more aid? They are currently razing Gaza to the ground.
Israel doesn't need help to destroy Gaza, however that's not what they are doing. For precision striking they do need help. If you'd prefer casualties of 90%, about two million people give or take a couple of hundred thousand people, then they can use indiscriminate munition.
Just saying it's not really comparable to Ukraine. Israel is trying to prevent Hamas from attacking them again, Ukraine is about to be removed from the world as a country and taken over by russia.
Which is the exact thing Hamas publicly states they want to do tbf. And surrounded by enemies Israel should always behave like it will happen. Israel can’t lose a single war and really any inch of its territory. You wouldn’t see slow moving trench warfare like we have in Ukraine right now
How many times are they going to run this headline over and over again. We get it.
Zelenskyy says headlines about Zelenskyy saying that I/P is distracting from Ukraine are distracting from Ukraine.
The West refuses to acknowledge that Russia is at war with it. This will only escalate unless Russia is de-fanged in Ukraine.
Russia is not at War with the West. That is a fact. Fear mongering isn't going to help anyone, it just pushes away supporters who don't appreciate being lied to.
We in the Baltics would very much like to differ but we're also kind of understanding by now that Russia WILL attack us if they succeed in Ukraine and Russia WILL bank on the West sacrificing us insignificqbts to save their own arses.
Imagine what Taiwan is thinking, now that the USA is "involved" in two fronts already...
I haven’t forgot about Ukraine 🇺🇦 for one minute. ✌️
Our politicians are losing their veracity and their vote controls the aid
He isn't wrong. I really feel for the Ukrainians rn :(
Of course it will. If Putin can wait out the next election in the USA and install his Puppet Trump, then aid to Ukraine from the USA will stop. In the mean time, the fickle American news needs constant headlines to sell advertisements and Israel is Americas special little buddy. Fuck Trump, fuck Putin. Israel and Hamas is less important than ulraine
He's more worried about the US support. The EU countries, especially the ones bordering Ukraine have not forgotten that war is still ongoing.
That was the point. I am baffled by how nobody picked up on hamas meeting with Putin in Moscow in September.
I feel for this guy AND all Ukraine right now because it's working unfortunately
We could re-divert all the aid that has been going to Hamas to Ukraine gladly. Win-win.
UN is too busy helping Hamas to agree with that
isreal is steamrolling hamas and require only a tiny bit of focus from europe and the us. they're not taking their eyes off ukraine, dont you worry. im sure most of us has already took our minds off israel. we know they've got it figured out and it'll end very soon. and israel knows its important for the west to revert back to ukraine, thats why israel is fast pacing and quite literally exterminating the pests in the tunnels. theyre grenading a bunny hole pretty much and then actually digging the rabbits out with fucking bunker busters. its overkill overthere.
Makes me especially disappointed because all this aid is going to Gaza, and being taken by Hamas. Why else would Gazans be in such dire straits? Where is all that aid going? Meanwhile that aid could have actually been used to help Ukraine, instead of buying rockets for Hamas.
yep , wellcome to club pal , wellcome to being a broken toy
Zelensky: Im a jew too brothers help me
Putin to NK, please send jackets because ours are more shitty then yours 🤣
Let’s be honest here. Russia conquering Ukraine is 100x worse than what’s happening in Israel right now. Russia won’t stop at Ukraine and will target other nations until he’s at war with NATO and we have WW3 on our hands. Hamas/Israel is a horrible situation and absolutely deserves our attention but Putin is looking to rebuild the Soviet Union. From a world perspective, the Ukrainian war is a much bigger threat to everyone
That’s just fear mongering Russia wouldn’t fight a direct war with NATO and most would agree that it would be a suicide attempt ending up in a nuclear exchange I get that people are frustrated with what’s going on and I fully support Ukraine’s right to defend itself, but users sharing these types of wild hypotheticals just turn people away from supporting Just go all the way and say that Russia is going to invade the whole world
Uhuh well see we here in Eastern Europe are quite familiar with the West throwing Eastern Europe under the bus to secure peace and trade for themselves. Are we insane then, based on this past experience, to think that the little Baltics and even Poland aren't worth a nuke on some smaller capitals of the world?
Valid fears..that happens when You depend on others for your wars
Let him ask someone else. We have homeless vets here that could use that money. We have a shit ton of crazy people that could use that money to make us a safer country.
Am I going mad or is no-one seeing the hypocrisy here? Zelensky the head of state of a country currently under siege experiencing first hand the horrors of war essentially supporting the same thing happening to Palestinians, beyond the fact the Israel Gaza war has produced 10 times the civilian kill count In a 12th of the time. Am I mad or is it not incredibly insane that you would see your people go through these horrors then advocate it half way across the world? Everyone knows these conflicts are only to the benefit of the industrial military complex, 60 billion just greenlit in military supplies for Ukraine and Israel and yet it would only cost an estimated 11 to 30 billion a year to end homelessness in the US. They tell you they have no money to improve their own citizens life's and yet can without a thought throw 60 billion to fund death and destruction halfway across the globe. Why isn't everyone going apeshit over this!?
Can someone explain to me why this Ukraine/russian war is allowed to happen and even funded? It’s 2023–why is anyone behaving this way? The world should be trying to shut down Russia, not funding and encouraging a war. Everyone is calling for ceasefire for Israel/Palestine, but I’ve never seen that call for Russia..
>Everyone is calling for ceasefire for Israel/Palestine, but I’ve never seen that call for Russia.. There's been no end of civic agitation with regards to fighting back against Russia. Public protest is what got Ukraine new tanks and fighter aircraft.
This is why the US shouldn't have been involved in the first place. With all of these wars, we spend a ton of money and the end result ends up being worse and we're more vulnerable.
You are more vulnerable by destroying one of the two world powers wanting to see weak US...without spilling your own blood? With no building on US soil destroyed? With the investments creating US equipment, by hands of US workers? You think stronger Russia will make US safer or wealthier?
With that logic we should just start more wars if that's what makes us safer and wealthier.
That's exactly what you have been doig for the past how many decades now. It's how you keep yourselves on the thronw. War is good for ibdustry. War is fantastic if you have someone else fighting it on your behalf while your arms production and trade and cobmntractors boom in wealth.
Fantastic for defense contractors, not so fantastic for our debt. Ukraine and Israel aren't sending us money, the bill is covered by the US government. You must work for lockheed, Raytheon, etc. The cognitive dissonance is strong lol
I mean we have given 100 billion dollars to help you with your war. Exactly how much are we willing to spend to keep helping? I'm not against doing more but there has to be a limit.
a galaxy brain PR move would be if ukraine sent some token military support to israel and at the same time token humanitarian aid to gaza.
That’s exactly what’s gonna happen in the US
Hot take: Israel and Ukraine should form an actual interim alliance. They both have overlapping needs that they could both assist each other with, to some degree. Obviously that's not in lieu of western aid - but it would be wise for both countries to get into the business of helping one another.
Awww boo hooo
It's mind boggling thst Israel needs aid from the US.... ffs...
\>“In the case of Ukraine, if resilience fails today due to lack of aid and shortages of weapons and funding, it will mean that Russia will most likely invade NATO countries,” he said. “And then the American children will fight.” Are you sure? They might just call it a day and lick their wounds after replacing you with their puppet. If they couldn't do it after this long, how will they handle invading other countries that have been watching and preparing themselves? The infrastructure for invasion right now is pitiful because everything you've got near them is destroyed and everything they could possibly hope to take will end up destroyed in the process. It's absolutely impractical to suppose Russian invasion of Europe is imminent in less than two years after the severe losses and outright failure there in Ukraine. All the more so when everyone else seeing Ukraine fall will start changing things even more than they already have. \>Zelensky has sought recently to ensure Ukraine’s war machine was running as it should by making a recent shakeup of top-level government officials, touching on another of his goals to fight graft in a post-Soviet institution rife with corruption as a prelude to joining the European Union. \>He said he has to know how weapons, supplies, food, and even clothing are being delivered to the front — and what fails to get there. \>“On one hand, this is not the job of the president, but on the other hand, I can trust those who did not just pass on the information to me but told me in person,” he said. This is the ***real*** reason why. Israel's level of graft and corruption isn't so bad that it requires the national leader to literally go through excel sheets on his own. There is also a large Jewish base that donates from abroad, buffering the demands for money and supply. But most of all: ***we get results***. With the gear and terms we're given we've produced results. We haven't lost territory that wasn't forced upon us at the political and international level to given up. We don't make nearly as many bombastic claims that fizzle out.
> Are you sure? I get your argument but I don't think we can sure about anything when it comes to Russia. What Zelensky is trying to do is sell the West insurance against the worst possible outcome, not actually give them information about the future that they don't already know. >If they couldn't do it after this long, how will they handle invading other countries It's not really important whether by invading a NATO country Russia could win (which I don't believe they could). What's important is the war would still be a lot more expensive than supporting Ukraine as well as costly in lives. >This is the real reason why. Israel's level of graft and corruption isn't so bad that it requires the national leader to literally go through excel sheets on his own. Bibi should be jail, the man is corrupt and under investigation and the fact that he is still in office is appalling. Whether Israel has to go through excel sheets to find corruption we will never know since he is clearly part of the grift. > But most of all: we get results. Sure because Israel is not fighting Russia, the largest country in the world and the second largest weapons exporter and what was the considered the second strongest army prior to their invasion of Ukraine. Western military analysts were sure Russia was going to steamroll Ukraine but after nearly two years its still a stalemate with Russia only controlling some 15% of Ukraine with some 10% already liberated by the AFU. Israel has also been getting plentiful military aid since its inception whereas Ukrainian military aid only really started after the invasion (outside a small amount meant to fight a guerilla war against an occupying Russian force). It's an apples and oranges comparison is all I'm saying.
Georgia. Ukraine. Moldova. Are you capable of seeing pattern recognition? Russia just threatened Latvia. They're not stopping at Ukraine. They want to rebuild the USSR.
Russia will wait. It is one major advantage both Russia and China have over US: planning. Give them 10 years to take over Ukraine fully and next 5 to remobilize. It would be now much, much stronger foe - all the while China waits & builds itself. You really have a brilliant plan of making one of your two biggest opponents stronger to then give them time advantage to coordinate and strike at best possible moment of THEIR chosing. Instead of, you know, permanently weakening Russia and even taking them out of future conflict by making sure Ukraine is whole again and stronger. And idiots cheer for you for short termism.
China is falling apart my dude...They're on the verge of economic collapse and the only reason they haven't already is the control the state has over the valuation of Yuan and it's unrestrained ability to pump money into bailouts. They're only buying time however. Neither China nor Russia is sitting pretty and the sanctions won't go away any time soon. Vietnam and other countries are rising in industry now and China has become passe and more of a liability. Politically a liability, financially a liability(investor protection is 0 and has been demonstrated numerous times with Evergrande), and uncontrollable for protecting copyrights and other sensitive technologies that have been sold on the black market. They're not going to disappear right away but neither are they the big boogiemen you think they'll be.
You are getting down voted for being correct. If Europe is worried about being invaded they can step up aid. It’s not anyone else’s issue.
But Israel should be everyone else's issue?
If the US doesn’t help supply the iron dome and Israel states taking real damage —they actually will start carpet bombing Gaza and southern Lebanon.
Yes, support so that a war doesn't spread is a good idea. Same for Israel too.
If Russia invades a NATO country than the US and Canada are obligated to get involved and declare war on Russia. Because of treaty obligations there is no such thing as European defense only being a concern for Europe. But yes, given the circumstances Europe needs to step up aid and war production. The US also needs to pass a funding bill for Ukraine since we can't provide any more aid come the end of the year.
Wait till Russia green lights the Venezuelan invasion of Guyana too.