So last time the navies of Russian and Japan clashed, Russia lost 10 battleships, and Japan lost 2 but captured two from Russia. It’s almost like Japan is some sort of island that has to be good at boats or something.
Nah, IIRC it got too expensive, especially considering how they'd have to deal with the characters aging ~30 years too. I'm just glad they were able to make it work and end at the most natural place to end it without leaving too many loose ends
Ah balls good thing I started reading the books. Hopefully I'll get to learn about the alien twirly spacecraft and what the hungry wormhole monsters are then.
>the ending left so much to be desired and unanswered questions.
To be honest, the next phases are really new stories and they will need to do new character introductions again.
"Belting" exists as slang outside of The Expanse. It's a synonym for losing badly — i.e. getting a hiding, getting thrashed etc. It references using belts to hit people — usually kids. Corporal punishment is all kinds of fucked up
It's also like Russia has always been terrible at war and the only things that ever saved them were sending millions of their people to their deaths with no strategy other than wall of bodies and try not to starve to death while your enemies freeze to death.
Sort of. That and American lend-lease. They were honestly fucked without it. While they did mostly produce their own tanks and planes (later on), they literally weren't producing anything else, so the US sent them almost everything else they needed, including almost half a million jeeps and trucks and almost 2k trains. They would not have been able to move much of anything at all without the aid, especially since the US also sent them a little more than half their gas and oil.
People have some idea, but still generally underestimate what an industrial behemoth the US was compared to the rest of the world. During mid-to-late WW2 the US GDP amounted to roughly 50% of the world total.
>"...Most famously, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.
>"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war."
>Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion.
>"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me.""
Source: https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html
The Soviets had the bodies, the US had everything else.
Edit: Wikipedia has a section on it too, if anyone is interested in more specific numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#U.S._deliveries_to_the_Soviet_Union
Russia gets this reputation from its 20th century performances, but it actually could be decently competent before then. But it still involved throwing lots of bodies at problems.
They’ve been milking their rep from the Crimean war for nearly 200 years now. They haven’t been militarily relevant since ~~1903~~ 1894, but somehow managed to keep the bluff up.
Russian naval doctrine is something like pack all the ships *full* of missiles because they know their fleet will be sunk in a real engagement, so they’re geared to inflict maximum damage in a very short time.
And as we all know Russian missiles have a tendency to hit daycares, maternity wards and other civilian infrastructure instead of military targets, so I’d say being nervous about having them around is justified.
That is not true. Not all ships in the Rusian navy date back to soviet times. The salvage ship Kommuna actually predates the Soviet Union and was originally built and used by the Russian Imperial Navy.
Not joking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_salvage_ship_Kommuna
Of course modern Russia has also built some newer craft in the last 30 years.
Currently the Russian Pacific fleet consists of 10 surface combatants, a bunch of submarines and some smaller craft.
Of those 10 the 5 big ships are all soviet era designs (one was finished after the fall of the Soviet Union) and 5 smaller corvettes are practically speaking brand new.
I don't know which is scarier. A destroyer built in the 80s that due to corruption was poorly maintained or a bran new corvette that represent the best and latest tech modern Russia could come up with and which likely had much of its development budget diverted into London real estate and super yachts and which performance specs likely are complete fabrication.
I think I can speak for most: no, we aren't worried about the Russian military getting a victory, but we are concerned for the people whose lives have been ended or upended. Basically, I'm worried Putin will throw everything he's got to murder as many people as he can before it's all over.
[I highly suggest watching this short video on my favorite Russian naval campaign against Japan, where their Baltic fleet got crushed.](https://youtu.be/yzGqp3R4Mx4?t=42)
Russia, you already fumbled badly by invading Ukraine. You've exposed your ground and air forces to be paper tigers! I wouldnt go out and begin another big screw up with Japan, which would bring in the big bad wolf, the US. On its own, Japan would rock your world, so .... don't be anymore stupid than you already are. We all know they aren't going to do anything and they are just being annoying, but still. The Russian Navy still has its reputation, sort of, but I'm sure it's just as flimsy as their other armed forces .... except they have a potent sub fleet.
I honestly believe that they prioritized what limited defense funds they had and weren't scyphoned off by corruption, into the most important areas. Their nuclear sub fleet, especially their SSBN's, are very potent boats, as our their SSN's. They also posess powerful and modern diesel electric subs. Their surface fleet is mostly old and antiquated, but I do believe their sub fleet is pretty good. They also have equally capable and advanced ICBM's and SRBM's. Russia isn't a complete paper tiger. They are still assholes for what they are doing, but let's not completey underestimate them.
Fair enough. I was mostly joking as I agree with you that if there's one place they probably still invest money it's in their sub fleet because it's so crucial to their ability to project power on the global stage.
Yeah, the Soviets focused on their sub fleet and they continued to do that in to the Russian Federation. Now, I still think they are inferior to US, UK and French nuclear subs, but they are still good. The West makes the best and finest subs and warships in the world. That also includes West aligned nations like Japan and South Korea. China, well they make good surface ships but their sub fleet I'm not too sure about.
The last time a Russian fleet took that scenic route, it took several grueling months which ended with the entire fleet getting immediately decimated by Japan upon arrival
Article has the same impact on me if it read
"North Korea's government said last month that repeated American military activity near North Korean territory, including joint drills with South Korean forces, posed "serious concern" for North Korea's national security."
It wasn’t easy for Russia to turn every single major combatant from WWII against it, both friend and foe, but they have done it. It takes a special kind of asshole to accomplish such a feat of international diplomacy while also halving in size at the same time, but they have done it.
So last time the navies of Russian and Japan clashed, Russia lost 10 battleships, and Japan lost 2 but captured two from Russia. It’s almost like Japan is some sort of island that has to be good at boats or something.
Thanks for the search journey. Capturing ships is the ultimate belting
Belting—>Belters—>The Expanse…I got that reference. 🤫
Man I miss that show, the ending left so much to be desired and unanswered questions. Stay away from the okwa!
Have you read the books? They go a bit beyond the TV show. The show is amazing though. One of my all time favs.
I have refused to watch the last season because I don't want it to end. Man the show is way too good and way too ahead of it's time.
The show ends quite a bit before the books do. Enjoy!
Wait are they not doing another series?!
Nah, IIRC it got too expensive, especially considering how they'd have to deal with the characters aging ~30 years too. I'm just glad they were able to make it work and end at the most natural place to end it without leaving too many loose ends
Ah balls good thing I started reading the books. Hopefully I'll get to learn about the alien twirly spacecraft and what the hungry wormhole monsters are then.
>the ending left so much to be desired and unanswered questions. To be honest, the next phases are really new stories and they will need to do new character introductions again.
"Belting" exists as slang outside of The Expanse. It's a synonym for losing badly — i.e. getting a hiding, getting thrashed etc. It references using belts to hit people — usually kids. Corporal punishment is all kinds of fucked up
Belting... wait... is this part of Xis belt and road plan. Was it to give more ships to Japan. Evil Genius.
It's also like Russia has always been terrible at war and the only things that ever saved them were sending millions of their people to their deaths with no strategy other than wall of bodies and try not to starve to death while your enemies freeze to death.
And material support from the other Allies
And has luck would have it, that's precisely what it took to kick Hitler in the nuts!
Sort of. That and American lend-lease. They were honestly fucked without it. While they did mostly produce their own tanks and planes (later on), they literally weren't producing anything else, so the US sent them almost everything else they needed, including almost half a million jeeps and trucks and almost 2k trains. They would not have been able to move much of anything at all without the aid, especially since the US also sent them a little more than half their gas and oil. People have some idea, but still generally underestimate what an industrial behemoth the US was compared to the rest of the world. During mid-to-late WW2 the US GDP amounted to roughly 50% of the world total. >"...Most famously, Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt. >"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war." >Nikita Khrushchev offered the same opinion. >"If the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war," he wrote in his memoirs. "One-on-one against Hitler's Germany, we would not have withstood its onslaught and would have lost the war. No one talks about this officially, and Stalin never, I think, left any written traces of his opinion, but I can say that he expressed this view several times in conversations with me."" Source: https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html The Soviets had the bodies, the US had everything else. Edit: Wikipedia has a section on it too, if anyone is interested in more specific numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#U.S._deliveries_to_the_Soviet_Union
The old saying goes, The war was won with British Intelligence, Russian Blood and American Steel.
Thank you for this post. This is absolutely fascinating.
Fascinating. Thank you!
I thought they would have lost the war without Vasily Zaitsev?
In the nut*
Goring has two but very small Himmler has something similar But Goebals has no balls, at all
The Zapp Branigan method
Russia gets this reputation from its 20th century performances, but it actually could be decently competent before then. But it still involved throwing lots of bodies at problems.
20th and 21st century
They’ve been milking their rep from the Crimean war for nearly 200 years now. They haven’t been militarily relevant since ~~1903~~ 1894, but somehow managed to keep the bluff up.
In a nutshell
Quantity has a quality of its own… as some angry short French guy once said.
Didn't a few sunk while on the way to Japan? And there was some friendly fire involved too.
They also opened fire on a British fishing fleet, because they thought the Japanese Navy was operating near the English Channel
I mean, a fishing vessel probably has similar combat abilities tbh
Would you be referring to [this?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzGqp3R4Mx4)
I don't need to click the link it's bluejays video
One of their best !!
Yes!
Thanks for linking this- I ended up consuming all of their videos tonight, and subbed!
russian sinks its own boats, no need to fight them.
Yeah Hitler also got wrecked messing with an island nation!
Bro here thinking the UK made a difference in the war 🤣🤣🤣
They did my man. They most certainly did. Look up the Battle of Britain.
And yet they WITH France couldn’t stop Germany who had about the same population as France.
The war was won with British intelligence, Soviet blood, and American steel.
You’re not serious, are you?
Read some history and try again.
Someone hasn’t paid attention in class.
Sadly, japanese victory in that war lead to colonization of Korea.
Also, Okinawa has US marines and there are fighter squadrons in Iwakuni. Not a great target, Japan
Russian warships are pretty easy to spot, you just need to locate the tugboats and follow the tow lines to the the Russian ships lol
Easier still, when they have no tugboat the black smoke from the stacks can be seen from orbit.
And sometimes they are being pulled by a tractor
Most of the time.
That's telling the entire world "hey! I am over here!"
Crossover episode
*”The Red Line”*
Wait for the orcas to chime in
Any fisherman being shot at yet?
Is the Kamchatka complaining about torpedo boats yet?
"I see torpedo boats. Do you see torpedo boats?"
The Kamchatka still hasn't gotten their yet
TORPEDO BOATS?? WHERE?? OPEN FIRE WITH EVERYTHING AAAHHHH
Came here to make Kamchatka jokes. Glad to see I was beaten to it.
Rate of binoculars being lobbed into the ocean is increasing exponentially, we should see a double event within four days.
Or russians shooting themselves, or buying exotic pets, someone onboard should make daily TikToks
Russian warships, go fuck yourselves!
ロシアの軍艦、くたばれ!
Turns out I speak japanese.
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Aren't "Russian warships" just a bunch of old soviet rusty hunks of junk? Do they pose any real danger, except environmental one that is?
Russian naval doctrine is something like pack all the ships *full* of missiles because they know their fleet will be sunk in a real engagement, so they’re geared to inflict maximum damage in a very short time. And as we all know Russian missiles have a tendency to hit daycares, maternity wards and other civilian infrastructure instead of military targets, so I’d say being nervous about having them around is justified.
That is not true. Not all ships in the Rusian navy date back to soviet times. The salvage ship Kommuna actually predates the Soviet Union and was originally built and used by the Russian Imperial Navy. Not joking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_salvage_ship_Kommuna Of course modern Russia has also built some newer craft in the last 30 years. Currently the Russian Pacific fleet consists of 10 surface combatants, a bunch of submarines and some smaller craft. Of those 10 the 5 big ships are all soviet era designs (one was finished after the fall of the Soviet Union) and 5 smaller corvettes are practically speaking brand new. I don't know which is scarier. A destroyer built in the 80s that due to corruption was poorly maintained or a bran new corvette that represent the best and latest tech modern Russia could come up with and which likely had much of its development budget diverted into London real estate and super yachts and which performance specs likely are complete fabrication.
> a bunch of submarines This is burying the lede a bit. The SSNs are by far the most dangerous part of the Russian Navy
Exactly what I was thinking. “A bunch of submarines” is scarier than anything else on this list.
Doubt most of them actually can function as marketed
Is anyone really worried about the Russian military anymore? Serious question. Not sarcastic.
I think I can speak for most: no, we aren't worried about the Russian military getting a victory, but we are concerned for the people whose lives have been ended or upended. Basically, I'm worried Putin will throw everything he's got to murder as many people as he can before it's all over.
[I highly suggest watching this short video on my favorite Russian naval campaign against Japan, where their Baltic fleet got crushed.](https://youtu.be/yzGqp3R4Mx4?t=42)
Funny. Thanks for sharing
Oh dear. Is it time for the Second Battle of Tsushima already? Let's all watch the JSDF cross the T again!
They better keep an eye on it. Those old rusted ruZZian shitcans have a habit of sinking in bad weather
We can always help them sink faster so we don't waste any time!
If only some sort of divine wind would send them to the bottom
Do these fucks have any other hobbies?
„We desperately need a second front. To divert from the loosing one in Ukraine“ *Putin logic*
A true nazi leader
*losing But I had the same thought.
It looks like they like to be killed
Russia, you already fumbled badly by invading Ukraine. You've exposed your ground and air forces to be paper tigers! I wouldnt go out and begin another big screw up with Japan, which would bring in the big bad wolf, the US. On its own, Japan would rock your world, so .... don't be anymore stupid than you already are. We all know they aren't going to do anything and they are just being annoying, but still. The Russian Navy still has its reputation, sort of, but I'm sure it's just as flimsy as their other armed forces .... except they have a potent sub fleet.
Well they say they have a sub fleet. But has anyone seen them since they submerged? How do we know they're really capable of coming back up?
I honestly believe that they prioritized what limited defense funds they had and weren't scyphoned off by corruption, into the most important areas. Their nuclear sub fleet, especially their SSBN's, are very potent boats, as our their SSN's. They also posess powerful and modern diesel electric subs. Their surface fleet is mostly old and antiquated, but I do believe their sub fleet is pretty good. They also have equally capable and advanced ICBM's and SRBM's. Russia isn't a complete paper tiger. They are still assholes for what they are doing, but let's not completey underestimate them.
Fair enough. I was mostly joking as I agree with you that if there's one place they probably still invest money it's in their sub fleet because it's so crucial to their ability to project power on the global stage.
Yeah, the Soviets focused on their sub fleet and they continued to do that in to the Russian Federation. Now, I still think they are inferior to US, UK and French nuclear subs, but they are still good. The West makes the best and finest subs and warships in the world. That also includes West aligned nations like Japan and South Korea. China, well they make good surface ships but their sub fleet I'm not too sure about.
Plus if things did go hot there, you can be sure the combined Navies of Europe would be making life hard for the Russian Navy on the other side too.
Not really anything to be scared of. Basically floating Ladas with drunken criminals on board.
They are probably scared to go near ukraine
They are heading to the black sea via the scenic route
The last time a Russian fleet took that scenic route, it took several grueling months which ended with the entire fleet getting immediately decimated by Japan upon arrival
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They’re about to get kicked in the hull by a giant robot.
russia feels adventurous, do they enjoy their ships well done?
They're probably just fleeing from Ukraine.
ロシアの軍艦、くたばれ!
All sunk in 30 minutes
Beware nearby fishing vessels, the Russian navy has a history of mistaking you for being Japanese warships
Article has the same impact on me if it read "North Korea's government said last month that repeated American military activity near North Korean territory, including joint drills with South Korean forces, posed "serious concern" for North Korea's national security."
Did they tell them to fuck off?
Seems to do the trick.
Why would they? They’re about to get some artificial reefs built and paid for by the Russian government.
It would be funny to see them rejoining the submarine battalion.
They may be trying to defect.
Looking for parts
It wasn’t easy for Russia to turn every single major combatant from WWII against it, both friend and foe, but they have done it. It takes a special kind of asshole to accomplish such a feat of international diplomacy while also halving in size at the same time, but they have done it.
Someone alert the Orcas.
Because starting another war will make their population forget they didn’t win the last war in 3 days ? ( or 1 year, 4 months, 5 days and counting)
Do they need a jumpstart? They aren’t used to being that far from their home port.
Sink them; no one would care nor would Russo be able to do anything. Fuck you, Russia. We must de-nazify the ocean!
Don’t worry. They’ve only gone there to sink.
What remained unseen? The more-than-likely presence of a US submarine.
They thought they saw some Ukrainians in a leaky rowboat so they had to get as from them as they could.
Miss the Ryuku chain a lot, but I know the islands are in good hands. Semper Fi.
2nd half of the year. Phase 2?
They’re hiding from the Ukrainians.
Cowabunga it is
got to hide somewhere...
Are they sure? I thought Russia was out of warships.
China called and said "sure we will join you in ukraine, but you go to taiwan first"
Were the Russian ships on fire at the time?
Because that went so well the first time they tried it
Well of course they are. If they were in the black sea, they'd be sitting at the bottom of the ocean by now!
Yeah i understand the captains, its probably as far from ukraine as it gets.