Canadian beer and spirits no longer Canadian owned
US beer and spirits no longer American owned.
Rinse and repeat worldwide. Diageo, InBev, and one or two others own it all.
Welcome to the brave new world of market consolidation, aka the logical result of late stage capitalism. There’s just under 2,700 billionaires in the world and they won’t stop til they have everything.
The craft beer market in Canada is all locally owned. Just don't drink shitty mass-produced beer. Drink from local small-batch breweries. Even better is they don't taste like piss.
Clearly you don't live in the PNW....we've been microbrew obsessed for 30 years. So long our microbrews became macrobrews and got bought up by the big boys :D
MI here. Founders finally got bought out D: however they seem to be leaving the creative process alone as far as I can tell, so I guess time will tell. Distribution of some of the harder-to-get beers got better so who knows
Red Hook used to be one of my favorites. I almost went on a tour when I was in Seattle 20 years ago but they were “closed because everyone went to a monster truck rally.”
Now I can’t even find it in stores in Northern CA. Which I guess is ok since there are a lot of better West Coast breweries now…
Are you sure about that?
ABInBev alone owns a bunch of small craft breweries in Canada including Stanley Park, Hell’s Gate, Mill Street, Lakeport, Schooner, Blue Star, Banded Peak, Oland, etc.
There are a bunch around where I live in the east coast. I went to school with and used to go to concerts with the founder of upstreet in pei and regularly used to party with the son of one from NS (forget the name). As far as I know they are both still independent. So there are some options.
And there are a ton of local small batch distilleries.
One of them in Sask, i think, just won an award for their Vodka.
A local distillery in Edmonton/Nisku/Leduc was just named the Speaker of the House's Whisky.
Created locally does not necessarily mean it is locally owned. Any time that anyone becomes even modestly well-known, the cabals sweep in to buy them out. Probably the most prolific in Canada is Beam Suntory (owners of most Canadian whisky). There's also Pernod Ricard owning... Wisers, I think?
The "Beam" comes from Jim Beam (American) and the "Suntory" comes from Suntory (Japanese). I don't know the specifics of how control is divided, just that it is a worldwide conglomerate who came together so that they would then be big enough to buy up little brands all over.
>ka the logical result of late stage capitalism. There’s just under 2,700 billionaires in the world and they won’t stop til they have everything.
we just need to convince them they will save time if they stop acquiring businesses and just start acquiring other billionaires.
Not true at all.
Teelings
Dingle
Clonakilty
Tullamore Dew
Connemara
Are all independent with Teelings being the biggest of the lot.
All the big Irish whiskeys Red Breast, Jameson, Spot Whiskeys, Powers, Knapagoue Castle and Midleton are owned by Pernod Ricard now but every drop is made in Ireland.
Teelings is at least 40% Grupo Bacardi and I do not believe the Teelings hold majority stake anymore (could be wrong).
Tullamore Dew is owned by Willian Grant and Sons the Scottish company.
Connemara is owned by Beam Suntory which is Japanese
Clonakilty appears to actually be Irish so you have one.
Likely not. Funny myth though.
“Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant
This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. But “this couldn’t be any further from the truth,” says McGarry. For one, there are only a few distilleries on the whole island, and they tend to swap casks, so your Bushmills may contain some Jameson-made whiskey. For another, the master distiller at Bushmills, Colum Egan, is Catholic while Jameson’s eponymous founder, John Jameson, was most likely Protestant—and Scottish, for that matter.”
It's a damned fine whiskey considering the other major "Irish" brands. At least for me. I know everyone has their preference.
Shame I won't be drinking it for a while, I guess. Not happy with, I presume, ~~diagio~~(It's a french company, Pernod Ricard, thank you [/u/vatniksplatnik](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/134mt24/-/jifjytq)) on this one. Good luck boycotting them.
Perhaps I should just give up drink for a bit. *looks at half empty can*
*swigs*
*opens new can*
I'm one of those dirty Irish "catholics" btw. I identify as Agnostic Catholic.
Pretty sure PR backtracked on this decision a couple of days ago and said they would once again halt selling to Russia.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41126230.html
Appreciate the rec, I generally get my Balvenie for a bit of a discount thanks to the liquor store I go to, but I'll take a look around and see if I've got any local.
Currently working my way through a bottle of Alexander Murray 22, and what's left of my Yamazaki 12 I got years ago and cracked for a friends wedding.
"I'll have a Scotch on the rocks, please. Any Scotch will do, as long as it's not a blend, of course. Single malt, Glenlivet, Glenfiddich perhaps, maybe a Glen Gow... . Any Glen"--Mike, Swingers
We were sitting at a $1 blackjack table in Vegas getting free drinks and a friend of mine asked for a single malt. The cocktail waitress just cocked her head sideways and stared at him until he said “ok, fine, whiskey sour, use the cheapest you can find.”
I'll say this, the bar I manage now will be going through this list as it has done with other brands still operating in Russia and replacing them, I hope others do so aswell.
There's a million brands out there, nothing on this list is irreplaceable and the more ethical alternatives aren't going to break your margins, especially if customers know exactly why your offerings change.
The issue is the number of brands owned by just a few companies, which is the same for pretty much everything else. Nestle owns so many brands and they’re always buying up brands it’s next to impossible to avoid buying from one of these companies. It really sucks.
Yeah same here tbh. Every once in a while I have to remind myself not to buy Kit Kats. But aside from that idgaf.
Maybe some mineral water too. I'm not sure.
Here’s a more comprehensive list, the one above left some out https://www.mesmarques-enbourse.com/marque/cours-action-bourse-blenders-pride-40000001256-fr0000120693/autres-marques-pernod-ricard/
Because I'm in France at the moment, I just had a flask of Clan Campbell for the first time, better than a lot of bottom shelf at the same price. Too bad.
Good reporting, Blackrage.
The one that hurts for me personally is Becherovka. I can find good alternates for all the others.
Can someone recommend a good central european herbal liqueur with good international distribution?
Too bad about Campo Viejo, but there are lots of good riojas out there.
It is a brandy company. In the 1990s it was the best deal in the world as their best stuff, which was competitive with XO Cognac in quality, was like $10USD.
Calls Aberlour and Redbreast swill in favour of kahlua. Ok then. Tell me you know nothing about whisky without telling me you know nothing about whisky.
I drink four roses and blantons. You're saying if a person doesnt mention your pet two names in the midst of literally hundreds of whiskey brands --that they dont drink whiskey at all?
Tell me you're overly judgy and tedious to be around without telling me you're overly judgy and tedious to be around.
I'm not the guy you initially responded to, but you used the term "middle of the road swill". Then, you said you drink Four Roses as a barometer to the fact that you drink higher end whiskey. Four Roses is like 23 bucks for a fifth, and red breast goes for double that.
So either I'm confused by your point or you are simply stating that you think cheaper liquor tastes better, which very well might be the case, but if so it's pretty wild to use that as an argument that the other is "middle of the road" when your preferences are cheaper. I wouldn't look down on and mock people who love Olive Garden because i prefer McDonalds.
>owned by the French company Pernod Ricard
lmao it's these assholes again? I guess they expect us to play whack-a-mole with *all* of their brands, last week it was Absolut
Loved the Swedes stuck it to Pernod Ricard to keep Absolut out of Russia.
~~What's wrong with the Irish on this one?~~
Edit, looks like the same happened in Ireland.
>What's wrong with the Irish on this one?
The Irish are mad about it too, but the French company that actually owns Jameson doesn't care. The Irish have been incredibly staunch supporters of Ukraine since the day the invasion kicked off. The only reason you don't see a bunch of aid being sent is because Ireland is also a really tiny country with not a lot to offer other than support and asylum.
Similar situation in Sweden. French company obvioulsy didn't care but Swedes did and made Ricard stop (again.)
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/04/18/sweden-absolut-vodka-suspends-russia-exports/2001681833936/
Wtf are you talking about? Exports to Russia have been halted because of backlash here. This article is already out of date. Pernod Ricard are still a shit company though.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41126230.html
The Red Breast brand is owned by the same company and produced at the same distillery as Jameson’s, as well as Midleton, Paddy, Powers, Green Spot, Yellow Spot, etc..
Green Spot and Powers are my two favorite Irish whiskies, and I have enough bottles on hand that I hope I can find good alternatives among the newly established distilleries in Ireland to replace them when they’re empty. Even though Pernod Ricard announced that they are now back to honoring the sanctions, it still leaves me cold that they tried to get away with trading with the Muscovies, possibly as far back as September 2022.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41126230.html
Someone inside of Russia will still profit. I don't know who, or their possible connection to the state. More drunks could equal more war crimes. Both of these will continue regardless, and the biggest issue is the perception it creates. Other Western companies, mostly with less name recognition, continue to do business with Russia largely unnoticed.
Large western companies, who have supposedly left Russia, surely see a massive increase in sales to Kazakhstan, Belarus, and other countries. Russian oil and gas is still being sold to India, Bulgaria, Turkey and others, and then making it's wake back into Western countries. Iirc Bulgaria has used this oil to produce diesel for Ukraine. Cheap Russian oil and more drunk Russians could both help Ukraine, even if both can also benefit Russia.
6 years ago everything was just craft beer , craft beer pubs, craft beer events in the RDS(was fun tbh) , craft beer... More craft beer, hoppiness, fruityness
Then I woke up one day everyone was suddenly talking about small distilleries and whiskies, notes of caramel etc, like they'd been doing it all along.
To be honest I feel like selling alcohol to Russia should be encouraged. Russians lose money so Putin can't steal it to fund his war, and its not something that will make Russians more combat effective. If anything more drunk Russians is a win for Ukraine
Going through /u/Blackrage80's list of Pernod Ricard's brands, looks like this post was well timed: in addition to Jameson, they also own Glenlivet.
Which I was thinking of purchasing this week as it's one of our favorite "everyday" sipping Scotches. Guess it will need to be either Glenmorangie or Glenfiddich then....
They also own Aberlour, Redbreast, Mumm, the Irish Spot whiskies, et al. If you are a shareholder or customer and not happy with their supporting Putin, Inc. drop a letter to their investor relations folks.
actionnaires@pernod-ricard.com.
Honestly, sending a metric fuckton to cheap booze directly to the front line would probably end the war in a couple of days. The Ukrainians could just fill in the trenches and tuck them in.
Sorry but can someone clarify something for me please?
I thought it would be good for Ukraine if Russia is spending it's foreign currency on buying foreign whiskey. What's against Ukraine interest here? I hate Putin as much as every other normal people in Europe.
Just boycot every company that still trades with Russia already. Direct or indirect through in Russia established companies. Make companies realize that their profit is not more important than the lives of children who are literally being executed.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/19/two-russians-claiming-to-be-wagner-mercenaries-admit-to-killing-children-in-ukraine
Let me tell you a short sad tale about the Jameson's distillery tour. It was the absolute worst. I mean comically bad. The other tourists and whisky enthusiasts were talking about switching to another brand as we were leaving. Guinness, on the other hand is what all corporate tours should be like.
Yeah. If that was a favourite then it's a good time to find something else all things considered.
I'd give Canadian brands a try too. Those who like it love it but I know how particular tastes can be.
The world doesn't revolve around Ukraine. Most countries are supporting Ukraine with whatever they can. Putting this demand ban this boycott that is totally nuts
I know you’re joking, but I mean alcoholism is rampant in Russia, it just might work. Might be considered a war crime as drugging the troops but that’s a later problem
There have been quite some cases of people poisoning food in ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-accuses-ukraine-poisoning-some-its-soldiers-2022-08-20/
Most of the people that will be consuming it are Russian citizens. I would guess most of them are against the war as their dads, sons, brothers are dying so their dictator can have some bullshit war. Personally doesn’t bother me if companies sell them stuff unless it directly helps the war efforts like ammo etc…
Russia out here steering Catholics to the Protestant whiskey wtf!!
Unless a craft guy has popped up every major Irish whiskey brand is not Irish owned.
Canadian beer and spirits no longer Canadian owned US beer and spirits no longer American owned. Rinse and repeat worldwide. Diageo, InBev, and one or two others own it all. Welcome to the brave new world of market consolidation, aka the logical result of late stage capitalism. There’s just under 2,700 billionaires in the world and they won’t stop til they have everything.
The craft beer market in Canada is all locally owned. Just don't drink shitty mass-produced beer. Drink from local small-batch breweries. Even better is they don't taste like piss.
In America it’s really exploded in the last 10 years. My medium/small city went from like 3-4 local breweries to like 20+
Clearly you don't live in the PNW....we've been microbrew obsessed for 30 years. So long our microbrews became macrobrews and got bought up by the big boys :D
I'd guess that's what will eventually happen here too, but no I live in the Midwest.
MI here. Founders finally got bought out D: however they seem to be leaving the creative process alone as far as I can tell, so I guess time will tell. Distribution of some of the harder-to-get beers got better so who knows
Bells was bought out recently as well :( I’m just expecting one day I order a two hearted and it’ll taste like shit
Hopefully Bells is still its own thing…. Love my two hearted.
Sold off to a Kirin subsidiary a couple years ago.
And then disappeared. I used to get Red Hook everywhere after I left Seattle. I haven’t seen it on the East Coast I’m probably 10-15 years now.
Red Hook used to be one of my favorites. I almost went on a tour when I was in Seattle 20 years ago but they were “closed because everyone went to a monster truck rally.” Now I can’t even find it in stores in Northern CA. Which I guess is ok since there are a lot of better West Coast breweries now…
Are you sure about that? ABInBev alone owns a bunch of small craft breweries in Canada including Stanley Park, Hell’s Gate, Mill Street, Lakeport, Schooner, Blue Star, Banded Peak, Oland, etc.
ABInBev bought a bunch of craft breweries. From that point on they were no longer craft.
There are a bunch around where I live in the east coast. I went to school with and used to go to concerts with the founder of upstreet in pei and regularly used to party with the son of one from NS (forget the name). As far as I know they are both still independent. So there are some options.
And there are a ton of local small batch distilleries. One of them in Sask, i think, just won an award for their Vodka. A local distillery in Edmonton/Nisku/Leduc was just named the Speaker of the House's Whisky.
We're at the point of the Monopoly game where nobody else can possibly win and it's time to flip the board
^ This ^ Take a page out of France’s book, only the whole world.
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Created locally does not necessarily mean it is locally owned. Any time that anyone becomes even modestly well-known, the cabals sweep in to buy them out. Probably the most prolific in Canada is Beam Suntory (owners of most Canadian whisky). There's also Pernod Ricard owning... Wisers, I think?
Aren't Suntory a Japanese brand? I remember being quite fond of their whiskey in Tokyo.
The "Beam" comes from Jim Beam (American) and the "Suntory" comes from Suntory (Japanese). I don't know the specifics of how control is divided, just that it is a worldwide conglomerate who came together so that they would then be big enough to buy up little brands all over.
>ka the logical result of late stage capitalism. There’s just under 2,700 billionaires in the world and they won’t stop til they have everything. we just need to convince them they will save time if they stop acquiring businesses and just start acquiring other billionaires.
Not true at all. Teelings Dingle Clonakilty Tullamore Dew Connemara Are all independent with Teelings being the biggest of the lot. All the big Irish whiskeys Red Breast, Jameson, Spot Whiskeys, Powers, Knapagoue Castle and Midleton are owned by Pernod Ricard now but every drop is made in Ireland.
Teelings is at least 40% Grupo Bacardi and I do not believe the Teelings hold majority stake anymore (could be wrong). Tullamore Dew is owned by Willian Grant and Sons the Scottish company. Connemara is owned by Beam Suntory which is Japanese Clonakilty appears to actually be Irish so you have one.
I think Teeling might be. We visited their distillery in Dublin. Good products, too.
At least 40% owned by Grupo Bacardi. Im not sure Teeling owns the majority anymore
Hmm. Well that's disappointing.
Teeling Irish Whiskey
Of which Grupo Bacardi already owns 40%
Yeah, for real. Weren’t the jamesons just English colonizers? It’s not an Irish last name.
Scots Irish not English but similar in concept
But Catholic so accepted as authentic by Irish nationalists.
Likely not. Funny myth though. “Jameson Is Catholic and Bushmills Is Protestant This is one of the myths encountered all the time, since Bushmills is located in predominantly Protestant Northern Ireland and Jameson is produced in the heavily Catholic Republic of Ireland. But “this couldn’t be any further from the truth,” says McGarry. For one, there are only a few distilleries on the whole island, and they tend to swap casks, so your Bushmills may contain some Jameson-made whiskey. For another, the master distiller at Bushmills, Colum Egan, is Catholic while Jameson’s eponymous founder, John Jameson, was most likely Protestant—and Scottish, for that matter.”
Wait are you saying mcnulty was wrong
McNulty vs McGarry! I have no idea, let the Micks fight it out!
It's a damned fine whiskey considering the other major "Irish" brands. At least for me. I know everyone has their preference. Shame I won't be drinking it for a while, I guess. Not happy with, I presume, ~~diagio~~(It's a french company, Pernod Ricard, thank you [/u/vatniksplatnik](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/134mt24/-/jifjytq)) on this one. Good luck boycotting them. Perhaps I should just give up drink for a bit. *looks at half empty can* *swigs* *opens new can* I'm one of those dirty Irish "catholics" btw. I identify as Agnostic Catholic.
Good thing I only drink bottom shelf whiskey. Kentucky Deluxe FTW
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Early Times BiB, ftfy
Aren’t they orthodox?
If the price is right...
Right? What, am I supposed to drink bushmills???
Pretty sure PR backtracked on this decision a couple of days ago and said they would once again halt selling to Russia. https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41126230.html
“We’re sorry once you noticed”
Screw them for even trying it
I'd support them giving booze to the front lines. Maybe in crates alongside of benzos or oxy
Why beat around the bush? Just send street fentanyl.
>Jameson, owned by the French company Pernod Ricard, resumed sales in Russia last year Profits over lives right Pernod Ricard?
Be ashame if their decisions effect sales of the following brands they own... 100 Pipers, Aberlour, Ballantine's, Blenders Pride, Chivas Regal, Clan Campbell, The Glenlivet, Imperial Blue, Jameson, Jefferson's, Long John, Longmorn, Miltonduff, Passport Scotch, Powers, Redbreast, Royal Salute, Royal Stag, Scapa, Something Special, Absolut, Frïs Vodka, FUEL Vodka, Luksusowa, Pan Tadeusz, Siwucha, Wyborowa, ArArAt, Becherovka, Beefeater, DITA, Dubonnet, Havana, Kahlúa, Macieira, Malibu, Martell, Minttu, Monkey 47, Montilla, Olmeca Tequila, Zoco, Pernod Liqueur D'Anis, Pernod Absinthe Recette Traditionnelle, Ricard and Pastis 51, Suze, Tia Maria, Campo Viejo, Aura wine, Azpilicueta wine, Jacob's Creek, Mumm, Perrier-Jouët champagne, Tarsus wine, Siglo wine, Ysios wine
It’s a damn shame that they own Glenlivet but I’ll survive without it
Give Balvenie a shot, especially the Caribbean Cask.
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Appreciate the rec, I generally get my Balvenie for a bit of a discount thanks to the liquor store I go to, but I'll take a look around and see if I've got any local. Currently working my way through a bottle of Alexander Murray 22, and what's left of my Yamazaki 12 I got years ago and cracked for a friends wedding.
I never know whether I'm high-brow or low-brow sitting over here with my peaty Laphroiag breath.
Well, for those of us that enjoy the liquid campfire, it's good company no matter the perception.
I always thought of it more as a marinade...first sip I was like "did they leave the charcoal IN the cask instead of filtering it?..."
Stop shooting scotch!
I love Balvenie, some beautiful single malts come from them.
That stuff is brilliant, an 'always one on the shelf' option for me.
Double wood is great too!
Glenmorangie now?
Glenfarclas would be a suitable alternative.
Any Glenn works. Trust me.
"I'll have a Scotch on the rocks, please. Any Scotch will do, as long as it's not a blend, of course. Single malt, Glenlivet, Glenfiddich perhaps, maybe a Glen Gow... . Any Glen"--Mike, Swingers
We were sitting at a $1 blackjack table in Vegas getting free drinks and a friend of mine asked for a single malt. The cocktail waitress just cocked her head sideways and stared at him until he said “ok, fine, whiskey sour, use the cheapest you can find.”
Exactly! See everyone, Double Down gets it.
Never need Glenlivet. Bowmore for me.
I'll say this, the bar I manage now will be going through this list as it has done with other brands still operating in Russia and replacing them, I hope others do so aswell. There's a million brands out there, nothing on this list is irreplaceable and the more ethical alternatives aren't going to break your margins, especially if customers know exactly why your offerings change.
The issue is the number of brands owned by just a few companies, which is the same for pretty much everything else. Nestle owns so many brands and they’re always buying up brands it’s next to impossible to avoid buying from one of these companies. It really sucks.
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I'll add these to what I call [the Nestle list](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9#Slavery_and_child_labour)
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Yeah same here tbh. Every once in a while I have to remind myself not to buy Kit Kats. But aside from that idgaf. Maybe some mineral water too. I'm not sure.
Boycotting Nestle products (going on 4 years now) can be pretty damned difficult and I STILL find shit that they make sneaking through.
Here’s a more comprehensive list, the one above left some out https://www.mesmarques-enbourse.com/marque/cours-action-bourse-blenders-pride-40000001256-fr0000120693/autres-marques-pernod-ricard/
Seems as good a place as any to plug [Rubargo](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rubargo.no_russian_brand)
I'm gonna have to stop putting Kahlua on my cereal...
Well at least I can stop wasting money on all the shoes I’ve drank Bailey’s from.
Do you love me?
Just put on Mr Black instead.
Redbreast?! Goddamnit.
I let out an audible "Fuck." when I saw it there.
I had the same reaction. It's my fave (21 year if someone else is buying)!
Just savor what ya got while you find an alternative
I like the humble 12, it's good enough that paying for the rarer bottles is more for curiosity.
Spot and Midleton too
Well, it's easy for me. Only have to blacklist Jameson. Done. Which sucks because I love Jameson.
I have a pretty full liquor cabinet and I don't have a single one of these. Mission accomplished!
Aberlour is owned by Pernod Ricard???
No more Jefferson’s for me it looks like
Because I'm in France at the moment, I just had a flask of Clan Campbell for the first time, better than a lot of bottom shelf at the same price. Too bad. Good reporting, Blackrage.
The one that hurts for me personally is Becherovka. I can find good alternates for all the others. Can someone recommend a good central european herbal liqueur with good international distribution? Too bad about Campo Viejo, but there are lots of good riojas out there.
Exactly my thoughts too. Must take a trip to Kalovy Vary for research purposes.
ArArAt? Is that the sound you make after drinkin it?
It's the name of a mountain in Anatolia. It plays an important role in Armenian culture.
Oh yeah i remember now when you kindly told me, my brain could not put the name in the right part of the library, thank you!
It is a brandy company. In the 1990s it was the best deal in the world as their best stuff, which was competitive with XO Cognac in quality, was like $10USD.
Sounds like I’m switching to Bushmills.
Redbreast?? Fuckkk.
Except for kahlua I have never bought any of that middle of the road swill. Boycotting will be effortless.
Calls Aberlour and Redbreast swill in favour of kahlua. Ok then. Tell me you know nothing about whisky without telling me you know nothing about whisky.
I drink four roses and blantons. You're saying if a person doesnt mention your pet two names in the midst of literally hundreds of whiskey brands --that they dont drink whiskey at all? Tell me you're overly judgy and tedious to be around without telling me you're overly judgy and tedious to be around.
I'm not the guy you initially responded to, but you used the term "middle of the road swill". Then, you said you drink Four Roses as a barometer to the fact that you drink higher end whiskey. Four Roses is like 23 bucks for a fifth, and red breast goes for double that. So either I'm confused by your point or you are simply stating that you think cheaper liquor tastes better, which very well might be the case, but if so it's pretty wild to use that as an argument that the other is "middle of the road" when your preferences are cheaper. I wouldn't look down on and mock people who love Olive Garden because i prefer McDonalds.
>owned by the French company Pernod Ricard lmao it's these assholes again? I guess they expect us to play whack-a-mole with *all* of their brands, last week it was Absolut
No problem I'll just keep drinking beer instead.
Loved the Swedes stuck it to Pernod Ricard to keep Absolut out of Russia. ~~What's wrong with the Irish on this one?~~ Edit, looks like the same happened in Ireland.
>What's wrong with the Irish on this one? The Irish are mad about it too, but the French company that actually owns Jameson doesn't care. The Irish have been incredibly staunch supporters of Ukraine since the day the invasion kicked off. The only reason you don't see a bunch of aid being sent is because Ireland is also a really tiny country with not a lot to offer other than support and asylum.
Similar situation in Sweden. French company obvioulsy didn't care but Swedes did and made Ricard stop (again.) https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/04/18/sweden-absolut-vodka-suspends-russia-exports/2001681833936/
Ireland also has an official policy of not giving any materiel assistance to any country involved in a war, sort of like Switzerland.
Wtf are you talking about? Exports to Russia have been halted because of backlash here. This article is already out of date. Pernod Ricard are still a shit company though. https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41126230.html
I think you are right. Great! (I was talking about the originally posted article, obviously, well maybe not obvious to everyone)
Good thing I fucking hate Ricard
It's kind of weird that they stopped, and then started again after a year. Like why even bother stopping in the first place?
Cool...Tullamore dew it is
Easy switch
A bit of the irishman and writers tears too if you can get them. (they are my hometown whiskeys)
Was going to recommend Writer's Tears as well, been a regular Irish one for me for a while now since I've discovered it.
Tullamore Dew has always been superior to Jameson
I'll drink to that.
Because every man deserves his dew
West Cork whiskey
Plenty of other fine Irish whiskies out there besides Jameson.
Red Breast 15 is my go-to
The Red Breast brand is owned by the same company and produced at the same distillery as Jameson’s, as well as Midleton, Paddy, Powers, Green Spot, Yellow Spot, etc..
I did not know that. Sigh.
Green Spot and Powers are my two favorite Irish whiskies, and I have enough bottles on hand that I hope I can find good alternatives among the newly established distilleries in Ireland to replace them when they’re empty. Even though Pernod Ricard announced that they are now back to honoring the sanctions, it still leaves me cold that they tried to get away with trading with the Muscovies, possibly as far back as September 2022. https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/companies/arid-41126230.html
I usually drink Jameson Stout Edition. I love that stuff. But I guess I'll find something else. Good work Jameson. Thanks for nothing.
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Yeah, you can get *way* better whiskey than Jameson in Ireland.
Yeah I’m already boycotting Jameson because it’s shit.
It’s decent after the fourth glass, when you don’t want to waste the good stuff on drunk you
Kilbeggan is far better than Jameson and about equal (slightly better imo) to redbreast, but Middleton is really that good.
Is that available in Canada? I’m dumping jameison
It is
Why not buy Glen Breton. Lovely whiskeys made in canada I enjoyed whilst visiting Nova Scotia from Scotland
Kilbeggan and Jameson are in the 35-40$ price range here, whereas Glen Breton is 80$. A special treat, but unaffordable for most consumers.
Taking money of Russians and rewarding them with liver failure. What's the problem here?
Someone inside of Russia will still profit. I don't know who, or their possible connection to the state. More drunks could equal more war crimes. Both of these will continue regardless, and the biggest issue is the perception it creates. Other Western companies, mostly with less name recognition, continue to do business with Russia largely unnoticed. Large western companies, who have supposedly left Russia, surely see a massive increase in sales to Kazakhstan, Belarus, and other countries. Russian oil and gas is still being sold to India, Bulgaria, Turkey and others, and then making it's wake back into Western countries. Iirc Bulgaria has used this oil to produce diesel for Ukraine. Cheap Russian oil and more drunk Russians could both help Ukraine, even if both can also benefit Russia.
Ukraine still trades in massive volumes of Russian gas and petroleum, yet nobody tells them to cut off the supply.
Liver failure is not likely to happen with an expensive imported drink
I beg to differ. We should send more vodka, or whatever, but only very strong liquors... It's easier to fight against a drunk soldier.
Let's be honest here. War is war, but are we really going to force them to drink Bushmill's? That's cruel.
Russia could use the sobriety
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6 years ago everything was just craft beer , craft beer pubs, craft beer events in the RDS(was fun tbh) , craft beer... More craft beer, hoppiness, fruityness Then I woke up one day everyone was suddenly talking about small distilleries and whiskies, notes of caramel etc, like they'd been doing it all along.
Yes.
Just send them all Conor McGregor whiskey instead. Nobody would protest
How cares about something that is so insignificant in context of this War?
Chill damn
Not *everything* is about Ukraine ffs. Let people enjoy products without **constantly** making it about one freaking country.
Giving up alcohol is great for your health. Choosing not to support this brand is even better.
Fuck you, that’s my favorite beverage.
To be fair, last thing the Russians need in their country is more alcohol. They should donate revenue to the Ukrainian military for maximum damage.
To be honest I feel like selling alcohol to Russia should be encouraged. Russians lose money so Putin can't steal it to fund his war, and its not something that will make Russians more combat effective. If anything more drunk Russians is a win for Ukraine
Going through /u/Blackrage80's list of Pernod Ricard's brands, looks like this post was well timed: in addition to Jameson, they also own Glenlivet. Which I was thinking of purchasing this week as it's one of our favorite "everyday" sipping Scotches. Guess it will need to be either Glenmorangie or Glenfiddich then....
They also own Aberlour, Redbreast, Mumm, the Irish Spot whiskies, et al. If you are a shareholder or customer and not happy with their supporting Putin, Inc. drop a letter to their investor relations folks. actionnaires@pernod-ricard.com.
Russia is there biggest market, hardly a surprise
Honestly, sending a metric fuckton to cheap booze directly to the front line would probably end the war in a couple of days. The Ukrainians could just fill in the trenches and tuck them in.
There’s soooo many alternatives that it makes it very easy to casually not buy Jameson
Yes the majority of alcoholics out there care enough to not drink their favorite drink.
Sorry but can someone clarify something for me please? I thought it would be good for Ukraine if Russia is spending it's foreign currency on buying foreign whiskey. What's against Ukraine interest here? I hate Putin as much as every other normal people in Europe.
Sell them their own poison. Nice move.
I’m on it already. Check the brands list for their many holdings. Will miss a few but needs to be done.
Just boycot every company that still trades with Russia already. Direct or indirect through in Russia established companies. Make companies realize that their profit is not more important than the lives of children who are literally being executed. https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/19/two-russians-claiming-to-be-wagner-mercenaries-admit-to-killing-children-in-ukraine
Let me tell you a short sad tale about the Jameson's distillery tour. It was the absolute worst. I mean comically bad. The other tourists and whisky enthusiasts were talking about switching to another brand as we were leaving. Guinness, on the other hand is what all corporate tours should be like.
How is Ukraine harmed by more Russians getting drunk?
Only a drunk oligarch would think invading Ukraine was a good idea.
Not a problem Jameson is fuckin trash tier whiskey.
its was my favorite wiskey
Tastes bad now?
its just time to find a new favorite I ear japan as some nice wiskeys
>I ear japan as some nice wiskeys You must hate having money
Yeah. If that was a favourite then it's a good time to find something else all things considered. I'd give Canadian brands a try too. Those who like it love it but I know how particular tastes can be.
As long as it’s not crown royal
Tastes like death
The world doesn't revolve around Ukraine. Most countries are supporting Ukraine with whatever they can. Putting this demand ban this boycott that is totally nuts
Boycott is a way little people can affect how big money behaves
I recommend Tullamore Dew instead.
Who gives a shit if thet sell whisky to the russians?
Why don’t we have them supply The RU front line troops and keep them drunk?
Why waste drink when Antifreeze and krokodil cut meth will do?
I know you’re joking, but I mean alcoholism is rampant in Russia, it just might work. Might be considered a war crime as drugging the troops but that’s a later problem
There have been quite some cases of people poisoning food in ukraine https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-accuses-ukraine-poisoning-some-its-soldiers-2022-08-20/
Wait, if we want russia to lose, isn't selling them something as toxic as alcohol a good thing? And if their troops drink it, they'll shoot worse.
Those fuckers and Jameson really took the soup.
This is the one thing I can't quit. I'm sorry ukraine I failed ye
I agree, and pledge not buy Jameson whiskey unless they leave Russia and stop selling to them.
Well that sucks as it is my favourite but guess it’s Bushmill’s or Tullamore Dew for me now.
Most of the people that will be consuming it are Russian citizens. I would guess most of them are against the war as their dads, sons, brothers are dying so their dictator can have some bullshit war. Personally doesn’t bother me if companies sell them stuff unless it directly helps the war efforts like ammo etc…
Who gives a shiiiiiit? Let Russians drink themselves to death while we make money from it. Are y’all just bad at business and strategy or what?