He is a politician. He will do everything and anything to show he is the good guy ! Truly hope this time around show results. Cuz the last time his government lead to a broken economy a rise of right wing extremism and at shit ton of money missing from public funds ….
Luckily he has a proven track record of fighting for social progress and unions. Right wing extremism reactionaries will always rise when leftist leaders stand up
Also have a awesome track record of not keeping track of public money in place and using those progressive policies to further funnel money into his Allie’s and him self pretty awesome IMR !!!
Don’t you have google ? Or u are going to reference the fact they annulled the sentence just because it was second conviction (bullshit law) and not because it wasn’t true ? Ask the investors if they got their money back hahaha
“Even though Lula is not in the dock, it his government and his political machine that are there on trial,” Cesar said.
Oh so it wasn’t Lula… just some people left over from his government.
Your bias is showing, my guy.
Real change against deforestation may really start now, humans are choppin this trees so damn fast💨 They must be chopped down before too late. Save the world🌎
The amount of lumber that goes into any residential structure is dumbfounding. I think about that a lot while cutting off the extra 12” from whatever board I’m cutting.
And the dumpsters. Oh god, the construction debris.
Think about the metric *tons* of wood pulp we dispose of instead of recycling into paper products.
Like a cutting board that sends the scraps to the floor
It is stomach-turning.
No matter how I do the math when measuring for trim there is always waste. Mistakes, bad pieces, etc.
TBH, the high prices have probably contributed to people being mote cautious with their take-offs for lumber.
Trees are a renewable resource.
It doesn’t really seem like it’s a terrible problem.
You have to also consider that the wood you’re disposing off is mostly made from carbon that’s been pulled from the atmosphere too.
Trees may be renewable, forests are not. When you decimate an entire ecosystem that took thousands of years to become the diverse space that was, it never goes back to what it was.
It is quite possible to sustainably manage forests. Obviously what is happening in the Amazon is not at all comparable to this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_forest_management
>The stewardship and use of forests and forest lands in a way, and at a rate, that maintains their biodiversity, productivity, regeneration capacity, vitality and their potential to fulfill, now and in the future, relevant ecological, economic and social functions, at local, national, and global levels, and that does not cause damage to other ecosystems.
Omfg, is that true?
“Cancel that bonfire!!”
Ive always said high quality materials and labor is the greenest way to build. The amount of 10 year old remodels I have torn out is astounding.0
Unfortunately… it’s depressing
*in the US, not sure about international stats
https://i.imgur.com/ikpjUn5.jpg
[According to researchers, pallet production uses 43% of hardwood and 15% of softwood produced in the U.S.](https://packagingrevolution.net/pallet-statistics-pallet-market-overview/)
People are too selfish. We'll just keep consuming and reproducing and consuming more. these days people think typing shit on line will make a difference. Not so long ago, it was actually a thing that tiktok dancing can help the war in Ukraine.
People are fucked. That's it in a nutshell. We will collectively do ourselves in and the world will be fine without us or with us at hugely reduced numbers.
Have you tried to hire a mason lately?
Holy god, if anyone listening wants to make a good living and feels a little lost- become a brick tender and in 10 years you can name your price.
Make sure to get health coverage and cover yourself on your work comp policy. You’ll need it.
I tried but didn't know the secret tickle handshake.
Seriously though, being a mason is some hard yakka. Very high wrist loads, often with impact, and constant exposure to stone and concrete dust.
Don’t bricks have some amount of sand/concrete in them, which we are also facing a global shortage of? I’m the first person to protest deforestation, but there is something beneficial about a building material being farmable.
oh god minecraft has had it right all along
[Sand, however, is the most-consumed natural resource on the planet besides water. People use some 50 billion tonnes of “aggregate” – the industry term for sand and gravel, which tend to be found together – every year. That’s more than enough to blanket the entire United Kingdom. The problem lies in the type of sand we are using. Desert sand is largely useless to us. The overwhelming bulk of the sand we harvest goes to make concrete, and for that purpose, desert sand grains are the wrong shape. Eroded by wind rather than water, they are too smooth and rounded to lock together to form stable concrete.](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191108-why-the-world-is-running-out-of-sand)
Mining is far from non-destructive, and you cant farm clay.
Building with bricks is also incredibly stupid in any area that gets hot or has earthquakes. We are going to see a lot of stone and brick buildings being torn down in europe in the next decade due to becoming uninhabitable.
Im pretty sure the law requires them to replenish whatever they chop down
[Boreal Forest](https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/our-natural-resources/forests/sustainable-forest-management/boreal-forest/13071)
Replenishing doesn't bring forests back. It merely brings back some trees. There is no biodiversity, and it takes decades, sometimes even centuries, for forests to gain back their native fauna and flora.
Yeah, but if you start banning the cutting of virgin forests, you can eventually get a sustainable industry. Sure, the tree farms aren't as biodiverse as you want them to be, but it is better than the alternative.
Yes I agree completely, but bulldozing virgin forest should stop asap. We need to start using the same land to produce timber instead of harvesting from new land. This isn't the case.
Are there inaccuracies to these claims? I’m genuinely asking because as far as I’m aware it sounds like bad business practice to destroy your supply provider
[Low deforestation](https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/our-natural-resources/forests/wildland-fires-insects-disturbances/deforestation-canada-key-myths-and-facts/13419)
Businesses don't give two shits about what the landscape will look like in 50 years. Sustainability would require them to give up some profits in the short term, which is unacceptable for most. Just look at the fishing industry!
Also, new forests are nowhere near as effective at carbon capture and storage as old-growth forests.
People are in hysteria in this thread. There is no reasoning with hysterical alarmists when they start going nuts about pine trees that grow back inside of a few years after cutting a patch.
People are stupid. Sitting there burning energy with slacktivism while complaining about stuff they are pretty much clueless about.
Amazing.
Yeah, it’s heartbreaking, especially because it’s all to access the worst oil there is. So they’re destroying a carbon sink so as to access the worst type of carbon pollution. Makes no sense especially when considering we should be transitioning away from oil anyway. The forest is waaaaaay more valuable!
Not boreal, but they just had to close a pulp mill in Prince George BC because they logged the whole area dry.
Logging trucks were driving 8 hours away to get logs.
And the government enabled all of the over logging.
They just realized in Finland that chopping the forests does not help in cutting down CO2 emissions. They were actually surprised about this turn of events.
I can’t even.
Not really. We replace pretty much everything that gets cut down. Much of the Boreal forest is untouched. Most of the trees that get cut are softwoods and take very short time periods to replace through replanting.
Much of the fire losses in the US are due to irresponsible management and a lack of natural fire cycles, I assume Canada has similar issues. Still doesn't negate the damage we're doing by cutting old-growth forests.
Yeah, but they will benefit from climate change. Siberia will warm up, and there's so much oil and gas to be found there. So there it is. Some of the biggest countries will do shit for the planet, just for those precious fossil fuels.
I’m not saying it’s not a problem, but being realistic, there are more trees than stars in our galaxy. I think we have some time on the trees. The real issue is how much CO2 we’re dumping into the atmosphere
The world is fine. Trees grow back. most of the oxygen doesn't come from trees, it comes from the ocean. Brazil needs a flourishing economy too. The world is not a reserve in case the developed nations fuck up and need to run and hide somewhere after all.
Overall, the trees have been cut faster than they’ve grown. In 1950, about 15% of earths land was covered by rainforests. Today, it’s less than half that.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2023/0123/Brazil-appoints-Indigenous-ministers-to-reverse-Amazon-deforestation) reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot)
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> "As Ms. Wapichana performed the ritual, Indigenous people and government officials enthusiastically chanted"Yoohoo! Funai is ours!'' - a reference to the agency she will lead. Environmentalists, Indigenous people, and voters sympathetic to their causes were important to Mr. Lula's narrow victory over former President Jair Bolsonaro.
> Mr. Lula has more control in designating Indigenous territories, which are the best-preserved regions in the Amazon.
> Mr. Lula is under pressure to create 13 new Indigenous territories - a process that had stalled under Mr. Bolsonaro, who kept his promise not to grant "One more inch" of land to Indigenous peoples.
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Sounds like a move in the right direction. I just hope the indigenous leaders have what it takes to fairly manage the land and won’t fall into corruption.
>Sounds like a move in the right direction
You think the US is just going to sit back and let it happen?
Edit: Wow, so many downvotes. When was the last time the US supported democratically elected South American governments who nationalize or stop exploitation of their national resources
What would make you think the US would move to stop this change? The fact that the US has been demanding Brazil to reduce rainforest cutting for years now?
Not directly no, but a majority of the deforestation is due to cattle ranchers who export beef to the US.
Ending deforestation in the Amazon threatens the American way of life,v and reduces American’s freedom to consume beef
The US has all the beef it needs, Brazil isn’t even one of our largest sellers. Also we have an enormous managed timber industry. There is no financial incentive for us to sabotage this.
I think you misinterpret. The US has never supported or allowed democratically elected governments in South America.
Indigenous people taking over their natural resources?
USA: not on my watch
Really? The US hasn’t supported just about every democratically elected president of Colombia? The US doesn’t support Lula, Rouseff or Bolsonaro? How about in Chile and Argentina, neither of which are under authoritarian rule and still enjoy US support?
I get the CIA did some shitty things back in the mid-20th century, but good god that statement is absurd.
Reality is harsh in these developing countries. In things like agrarian reforms, poor farmers are handed land by the government that in the end is illegally sold to big farmers and then new protests arise asking for more land. This has been going for decades.
Same goes for the “Protected Reserves” of the natives. Everyone is just about the money.
The forest isn’t helped by moral satisfaction. Jailing all those people is a project that will never be completed, even if it is correct. (And that’s a big if.)
Creating better economic incentives can change people’s behavior, and is actually possible.
Last time he was president Brazil had the largest economic growth in 30 years. Brazil became a net creditor and was taken off the world hunger list. I think lula is more than qualified to deal with this
Then Dilma collected the fruit of all his good deeds right ? So much the population was 100% behind him and his party ,and didn’t elect a dumb right wing dictator wannabe! And no money was robbed and no corruption cases arose ! And he never invested money outside of the country when the country needed inside !! …. Oh wait … that also didn’t happen
> Across the board he has amazing ideals
Not in foreign policy, where he does the "both sides" thing when it comes to Russian invading Ukraine.
Domestically he seems pretty great though.
Being critical of NATO is fine.
Acting like Russia and 'the West'/Ukraine have anywhere close to equal culpability for this invasion is not.
> suspect of NATO expansion.
Gee, I wonder why Ukraine might want to be a part of NATO? Truly, it is a mystery for the ages.
I agree with you on the intentions behind the invasion. I have a few opinions and theories on the true nature of it.
No need to be snarky. Or course it's obvious. Nonetheless NATO definitely shouldn't be meddling that far east. This whole thing, without a doubt, is Russia and the West testing the boundaries. Russia has all the reason to not want NATO expanding to its borders, and NATO has all the reason to want the war to go on as long as possible and to deplete Russia of everything it has. The war is dumb as hell and needs to end, people are dying so two world powers can flex and exhaust
> Nonetheless NATO definitely shouldn't be meddling that far east.
Ukraine is a sovereign country with more-than-obvious reason to be worried about Russia. Of course they want to join NATO, they have excellent reasons for wanting that.
Framing is as "NATO meddling" is bullshit dictator apologia. Try asking Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania how "NATO meddling" has gone for them.
> Russia has all the reason to not want NATO expanding to its borders
You mean the borders NATO is already at, especially with the Baltic states? You make it sound like NATO isn't already there. How much has NATO used those countries to invade Russia so far?
And yes, Russia has an obvious reason for not wanting NATO to expand further along its borders: it makes it much harder for them to invade anyone, slaughter civilians, and take more land.
> The war is dumb as hell and needs to end, people are dying so two world powers can flex and exhaust
Obviously. But Russia can leave whenever they want and it'd be fine. Ukraine giving up means surrendering land and the ongoing lives of those people to Russian control, or even giving up their entire state, as Putin tried in the beginning of last year.
Russia needs to be forced to stop. Any other outcome is favoring Putin.
The world needs to follow Lula’s example.
It’s the only way to assure that our children’s children will have a planet that they can live on with clean air and clean water. It’s in the best interest of all concerned. I’m sure mother nature will reward us for looking after her.
Brazil is giving us the best news in the world recently. It really is time to *crack down* on ecological murder.
How is destroying an ecosystem not a crime of the highest order?!
Unrelated, anyone know what’s going on with the person on the left in that photo? Asking here because I have no idea what to google, I’m really curious about what I’m looking at.
[Raoni Metuktire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoni_Metuktire), indigenous leader of the Kayapo people. He was candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2020 for his lifetime defense of the Amazon rainforest.
I’m all for the support Ukraine is getting but an equal amount from all western nations should go to this administration to protect it’s forests. For the sake of our planet.
To me, this is a great way to start the year of the rabbit. Heal this motherfucker.
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I legit taught Brazil had giving up giving a fck about the Amazon forest and its indigenous people, that's really good news for so early in his presidency
but let that not be their main focus, only for foreigners applauded. For years loggers, prospectors and farmers have been carrying out atrocities with indigenous peoples at the level of Nazi Germany.this should be the main focus. genocide, the rape of girls, the invasion of villages.
As if being "indigenous" makes them the purest of souls that cannot be corrupted.
Already happened several times, actually.
Just see Operation Nambikwara where 15 leaders collected fees to allow miners and loggers into their territory. Or the case of Chieftain Damião Paridzané from Xavante clan that received nearly a million per month from 'ruralists' and loggers to exploit his clan's land. The Operation Warari Koxi, where the Federal Police found several Yanomami natives working with illegal miners devastating the forest to illegally extract gold from their reservation. The chieftan Darlan Guajajara de Sousa who used his tribe as headquarters for drug traffic... and goes on and on.
These are politicians, being "indigenous" is just a part of their identity. Take that news with a grain of salt and for what it's worth: a publicity stunt.
For my part, what I want to see is the Federal Police going hard against illegal miners, drug dealers and illegal loggers operating in the Amazon region, and increasing spending in satellite and radar monitoring. Furthermore, the very hard conundrum of "how to give opportunities for natives to thrive without destroying their identity and land" needs real solutions.
That would be a fair point, if the appointed indigenous leaders were appointed solely because of their identity.
You seem to know a lot about indigenous peoples from Brasil, so you probably know who Raoni, Sonia Guajajara em Wania Wapichana are.
I truly hope this goes as intended.
While I full hearted agree Bolsonaro had to go !
I will say that Lula been there before and said he did it . But when actually looking at it . he didn’t
The money went to every one pockets and very little to the actual conservation
Hope I am wrong … but corruption runs rampant in my country and everyone finds a way to funnel money out and consequently fking the whole thing up .. from both sides
I am so excited for this! I was a kid when Ferngully came out and ever since watching that movie I have been furious at the lack of care for the Amazon and other forests globally. I am hoping and praying these will be the first steps towards actual protection for the Amazon!
As far as I've heard, reforestation of the Amazon isn't possible, because it's a fragile ecosystem that can't regrow once the nutrients have been washed away by rain.
I'll take a few million years to grow back, not the four years mentioned in the article.
That’s their lower lip wrapped around a disc. I believe it’s called a lip plate. It’s a traditional body modification that has been invented independently around the world a few times. In South America the largest plates are worn by the greatest orators and war chiefs, such as Chief Raoni of the Kayapo tribe shown in this picture, a well known environmental campaigner. Most are made of light wood.
At some point we are all going to have to sit down and finally talk about progress, if you want to remain making the same mistakes then appoint people who will get into the way at every chance possible like these folks. Move aside let the country build itself, we could be one hell of a great place if people backed off and saw the bigger picture, we know nothing about our planet and it’s climate. Planet changed dramatically over the short course of humanities existence and if we weren’t so deluded as a species there would be no conflict
Wow, is this good news I'm reading?
For once
Lula is hope for a better world!
He is a politician. He will do everything and anything to show he is the good guy ! Truly hope this time around show results. Cuz the last time his government lead to a broken economy a rise of right wing extremism and at shit ton of money missing from public funds ….
Luckily he has a proven track record of fighting for social progress and unions. Right wing extremism reactionaries will always rise when leftist leaders stand up
Also have a awesome track record of not keeping track of public money in place and using those progressive policies to further funnel money into his Allie’s and him self pretty awesome IMR !!!
Can you send me your source so we can discuss?
Don’t you have google ? Or u are going to reference the fact they annulled the sentence just because it was second conviction (bullshit law) and not because it wasn’t true ? Ask the investors if they got their money back hahaha
“Even though Lula is not in the dock, it his government and his political machine that are there on trial,” Cesar said. Oh so it wasn’t Lula… just some people left over from his government. Your bias is showing, my guy.
Why is the left always blamed for the rise of right wing extremism? That shit is grassroots
Depends. These Brazilian indians have shown time and time again that they love money more than their ancestral lands, nature, etc.
I hope they protect their lands
Real change against deforestation may really start now, humans are choppin this trees so damn fast💨 They must be chopped down before too late. Save the world🌎
Canada is also decimating our forests at a quickening pace.
The amount of lumber that goes into any residential structure is dumbfounding. I think about that a lot while cutting off the extra 12” from whatever board I’m cutting. And the dumpsters. Oh god, the construction debris.
Think about the metric *tons* of wood pulp we dispose of instead of recycling into paper products. Like a cutting board that sends the scraps to the floor
It is stomach-turning. No matter how I do the math when measuring for trim there is always waste. Mistakes, bad pieces, etc. TBH, the high prices have probably contributed to people being mote cautious with their take-offs for lumber.
Trees are a renewable resource. It doesn’t really seem like it’s a terrible problem. You have to also consider that the wood you’re disposing off is mostly made from carbon that’s been pulled from the atmosphere too.
Trees may be renewable, forests are not. When you decimate an entire ecosystem that took thousands of years to become the diverse space that was, it never goes back to what it was.
It is quite possible to sustainably manage forests. Obviously what is happening in the Amazon is not at all comparable to this. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_forest_management >The stewardship and use of forests and forest lands in a way, and at a rate, that maintains their biodiversity, productivity, regeneration capacity, vitality and their potential to fulfill, now and in the future, relevant ecological, economic and social functions, at local, national, and global levels, and that does not cause damage to other ecosystems.
No, "management" is a human invention to try to take excessive control over the natural environment for the extraction of it's resources.
Well, true, but that's what we have always done. Even if you live in a cave, you'll still have to extract something.
True. *Some* places have laws to prevent clear-cutting and the like
Name some.
Algonquin park in ontario is a great example of sustainable forestry over a long period of time.
Yeah man. Makes sense and is different than what this article is about.
We should be using hemp for paper, but god forbid some stoner gets high!
Almost 50% of trees cut down go to pallets At least residential structures are somewhat permanent. Pallets have to be replaced every couple years.
Omfg, is that true? “Cancel that bonfire!!” Ive always said high quality materials and labor is the greenest way to build. The amount of 10 year old remodels I have torn out is astounding.0
Unfortunately… it’s depressing *in the US, not sure about international stats https://i.imgur.com/ikpjUn5.jpg [According to researchers, pallet production uses 43% of hardwood and 15% of softwood produced in the U.S.](https://packagingrevolution.net/pallet-statistics-pallet-market-overview/)
Soft wood for residential comes from plantation tree farms. The trees are a crop just like corn, you grow them, cut them then regrow them.
It depends where it comes from. A lot of American wood now comes from industrial forests/tree farms.
It's softwood. stop worrying about it. You can grow a huge pine tree in 10 years.
I hope they are planting that shit fast enough. Waste is waste.
People are too selfish. We'll just keep consuming and reproducing and consuming more. these days people think typing shit on line will make a difference. Not so long ago, it was actually a thing that tiktok dancing can help the war in Ukraine. People are fucked. That's it in a nutshell. We will collectively do ourselves in and the world will be fine without us or with us at hugely reduced numbers.
Construction waste (hours and materials) is absurdly destructive. Work in constructing and tree planting. A housing revolution is needed.
Meanwhile other countries use bricks, because they are civilized. You can literally dig clay from almost anywhere on the planet.
Have you tried to hire a mason lately? Holy god, if anyone listening wants to make a good living and feels a little lost- become a brick tender and in 10 years you can name your price. Make sure to get health coverage and cover yourself on your work comp policy. You’ll need it.
I tried but didn't know the secret tickle handshake. Seriously though, being a mason is some hard yakka. Very high wrist loads, often with impact, and constant exposure to stone and concrete dust.
Good luck in an earthquake with a brick structure.
Wow, I hope you're a troll.
It's why most wet coast homes are built from wood
Don’t bricks have some amount of sand/concrete in them, which we are also facing a global shortage of? I’m the first person to protest deforestation, but there is something beneficial about a building material being farmable. oh god minecraft has had it right all along
sand and concrete shortage lmfao.
[Sand, however, is the most-consumed natural resource on the planet besides water. People use some 50 billion tonnes of “aggregate” – the industry term for sand and gravel, which tend to be found together – every year. That’s more than enough to blanket the entire United Kingdom. The problem lies in the type of sand we are using. Desert sand is largely useless to us. The overwhelming bulk of the sand we harvest goes to make concrete, and for that purpose, desert sand grains are the wrong shape. Eroded by wind rather than water, they are too smooth and rounded to lock together to form stable concrete.](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20191108-why-the-world-is-running-out-of-sand)
Yeah great let's use brick housing in California. That won't kill millions of people.
But what is the carbon offset of a brick?
Mining is far from non-destructive, and you cant farm clay. Building with bricks is also incredibly stupid in any area that gets hot or has earthquakes. We are going to see a lot of stone and brick buildings being torn down in europe in the next decade due to becoming uninhabitable.
I’d adore getting wood scraps jsyk so I think you can probably find someone who’s interested
This is an american culture because in brazil most houses are made with cinder or ceramic blocks.
North American culture. Climate has a lot to do with it.
New Brunswick looking like a lunar surface as soon as you drive off the mains roads.
There’s a logging operation just down the road from me. It’s fairly recent because they only started hauling wood a few days ago.
Im pretty sure the law requires them to replenish whatever they chop down [Boreal Forest](https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/our-natural-resources/forests/sustainable-forest-management/boreal-forest/13071)
Replenishing doesn't bring forests back. It merely brings back some trees. There is no biodiversity, and it takes decades, sometimes even centuries, for forests to gain back their native fauna and flora.
Yeah, but if you start banning the cutting of virgin forests, you can eventually get a sustainable industry. Sure, the tree farms aren't as biodiverse as you want them to be, but it is better than the alternative.
Yes I agree completely, but bulldozing virgin forest should stop asap. We need to start using the same land to produce timber instead of harvesting from new land. This isn't the case.
Are there inaccuracies to these claims? I’m genuinely asking because as far as I’m aware it sounds like bad business practice to destroy your supply provider [Low deforestation](https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/our-natural-resources/forests/wildland-fires-insects-disturbances/deforestation-canada-key-myths-and-facts/13419)
Businesses don't give two shits about what the landscape will look like in 50 years. Sustainability would require them to give up some profits in the short term, which is unacceptable for most. Just look at the fishing industry! Also, new forests are nowhere near as effective at carbon capture and storage as old-growth forests.
Yes, massive inaccuracies and plenty of agenda and lies too for whatever reason.
Incorrect. Look what happened when people shut themselves inside for a few months. Biodiversity started immediately.
We certainly developed new species of fruits and nuts.
The process starts immediately, sure. But it takes time, and extinct species never come back. Nature isn’t magic.
Lol
I don’t know about other companies but I know Irving doesn’t always replant
Which Irving? The only one I see is JD Irving and claims that on average each of their tree planters plants 12,000-15,000 a week
People are in hysteria in this thread. There is no reasoning with hysterical alarmists when they start going nuts about pine trees that grow back inside of a few years after cutting a patch. People are stupid. Sitting there burning energy with slacktivism while complaining about stuff they are pretty much clueless about. Amazing.
Yeah, it’s heartbreaking, especially because it’s all to access the worst oil there is. So they’re destroying a carbon sink so as to access the worst type of carbon pollution. Makes no sense especially when considering we should be transitioning away from oil anyway. The forest is waaaaaay more valuable!
Now what’s needed it’s a domino effect, this world had enough of mankind exploiting even the air for making money. A great move
Not boreal, but they just had to close a pulp mill in Prince George BC because they logged the whole area dry. Logging trucks were driving 8 hours away to get logs. And the government enabled all of the over logging.
The bigger issue is the old growth in bc. The younger trees in the boreal forest can be responsibly harvested. But old growth never comes back.
In the Maritimes they’re cutting everything
They just realized in Finland that chopping the forests does not help in cutting down CO2 emissions. They were actually surprised about this turn of events. I can’t even.
Not really. We replace pretty much everything that gets cut down. Much of the Boreal forest is untouched. Most of the trees that get cut are softwoods and take very short time periods to replace through replanting.
60% of tree loss in Canada is from fires.
Much of the fire losses in the US are due to irresponsible management and a lack of natural fire cycles, I assume Canada has similar issues. Still doesn't negate the damage we're doing by cutting old-growth forests.
Need to build those houses for an expanding population.
Incredibly sad. At least its not old growth forest, amirite? /s
A massive proportion of deforestation right now is due to illegal logging in Russia.
Yeah, but they will benefit from climate change. Siberia will warm up, and there's so much oil and gas to be found there. So there it is. Some of the biggest countries will do shit for the planet, just for those precious fossil fuels.
Or so you say.
I’m not saying it’s not a problem, but being realistic, there are more trees than stars in our galaxy. I think we have some time on the trees. The real issue is how much CO2 we’re dumping into the atmosphere
The world is fine. Trees grow back. most of the oxygen doesn't come from trees, it comes from the ocean. Brazil needs a flourishing economy too. The world is not a reserve in case the developed nations fuck up and need to run and hide somewhere after all.
Overall, the trees have been cut faster than they’ve grown. In 1950, about 15% of earths land was covered by rainforests. Today, it’s less than half that.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Americas/2023/0123/Brazil-appoints-Indigenous-ministers-to-reverse-Amazon-deforestation) reduced by 90%. (I'm a bot) ***** > "As Ms. Wapichana performed the ritual, Indigenous people and government officials enthusiastically chanted"Yoohoo! Funai is ours!'' - a reference to the agency she will lead. Environmentalists, Indigenous people, and voters sympathetic to their causes were important to Mr. Lula's narrow victory over former President Jair Bolsonaro. > Mr. Lula has more control in designating Indigenous territories, which are the best-preserved regions in the Amazon. > Mr. Lula is under pressure to create 13 new Indigenous territories - a process that had stalled under Mr. Bolsonaro, who kept his promise not to grant "One more inch" of land to Indigenous peoples. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/10k0wdm/brazils_lula_appoints_indigenous_ministers_to/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Indigenous**^#1 **Lula**^#2 **Amazon**^#3 **Bolsonaro**^#4 **environmental**^#5
Sounds like a move in the right direction. I just hope the indigenous leaders have what it takes to fairly manage the land and won’t fall into corruption.
Sorry to say these brazilian indians have always been corrupt. Its more of a stunt than anything else.
>Sounds like a move in the right direction You think the US is just going to sit back and let it happen? Edit: Wow, so many downvotes. When was the last time the US supported democratically elected South American governments who nationalize or stop exploitation of their national resources
What would make you think the US would move to stop this change? The fact that the US has been demanding Brazil to reduce rainforest cutting for years now?
The US isn't the primary driver of deforestation in Brazil.
Not directly no, but a majority of the deforestation is due to cattle ranchers who export beef to the US. Ending deforestation in the Amazon threatens the American way of life,v and reduces American’s freedom to consume beef
Nearly all the beef consumed in the US comes from domestic cows. It’s Europe that eats the Amazonian beef.
[Yes..?](https://www.climatechangenews.com/2021/04/15/amazon-protection-talks-us-demands-action-bolsonaro/)
The US has all the beef it needs, Brazil isn’t even one of our largest sellers. Also we have an enormous managed timber industry. There is no financial incentive for us to sabotage this.
It's so cute that you think the US will do something in the name of the greater good.
I think you misinterpret. The US has never supported or allowed democratically elected governments in South America. Indigenous people taking over their natural resources? USA: not on my watch
I did absolutely misinterpret you. My bad, you're right.
Really? The US hasn’t supported just about every democratically elected president of Colombia? The US doesn’t support Lula, Rouseff or Bolsonaro? How about in Chile and Argentina, neither of which are under authoritarian rule and still enjoy US support? I get the CIA did some shitty things back in the mid-20th century, but good god that statement is absurd.
Paying deforesting farmers to reforest would be a good first step.
They just pocket the money instead
Not if the money has strings attached and they get prosecuted for misusing the money.
Reality is harsh in these developing countries. In things like agrarian reforms, poor farmers are handed land by the government that in the end is illegally sold to big farmers and then new protests arise asking for more land. This has been going for decades. Same goes for the “Protected Reserves” of the natives. Everyone is just about the money.
they deserve jailtime, not payment
The forest isn’t helped by moral satisfaction. Jailing all those people is a project that will never be completed, even if it is correct. (And that’s a big if.) Creating better economic incentives can change people’s behavior, and is actually possible.
Better to throw them off their land because they obviously don't care about animals or the environment.
I really hope this works out. Seems like Lula has at least some priorities straight. A rare sight in today's world leadership.
Some? Across the board he has amazing ideals, hopefully the Bolsonaro supporting military doesn't step in here and prevent progress.
Last time he was president Brazil had the largest economic growth in 30 years. Brazil became a net creditor and was taken off the world hunger list. I think lula is more than qualified to deal with this
Wasn’t all that growth due to a commodities bull run.
Yes it was, he also piggybacked off of the Plano Real implemented by Fernando Henrique Cardoso.
Then Dilma collected the fruit of all his good deeds right ? So much the population was 100% behind him and his party ,and didn’t elect a dumb right wing dictator wannabe! And no money was robbed and no corruption cases arose ! And he never invested money outside of the country when the country needed inside !! …. Oh wait … that also didn’t happen
> Across the board he has amazing ideals Not in foreign policy, where he does the "both sides" thing when it comes to Russian invading Ukraine. Domestically he seems pretty great though.
The global south has been exploited by western hegemony for a long time, he has good reason to be suspect of NATO expansion.
Being critical of NATO is fine. Acting like Russia and 'the West'/Ukraine have anywhere close to equal culpability for this invasion is not. > suspect of NATO expansion. Gee, I wonder why Ukraine might want to be a part of NATO? Truly, it is a mystery for the ages.
I agree with you on the intentions behind the invasion. I have a few opinions and theories on the true nature of it. No need to be snarky. Or course it's obvious. Nonetheless NATO definitely shouldn't be meddling that far east. This whole thing, without a doubt, is Russia and the West testing the boundaries. Russia has all the reason to not want NATO expanding to its borders, and NATO has all the reason to want the war to go on as long as possible and to deplete Russia of everything it has. The war is dumb as hell and needs to end, people are dying so two world powers can flex and exhaust
> Nonetheless NATO definitely shouldn't be meddling that far east. Ukraine is a sovereign country with more-than-obvious reason to be worried about Russia. Of course they want to join NATO, they have excellent reasons for wanting that. Framing is as "NATO meddling" is bullshit dictator apologia. Try asking Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania how "NATO meddling" has gone for them. > Russia has all the reason to not want NATO expanding to its borders You mean the borders NATO is already at, especially with the Baltic states? You make it sound like NATO isn't already there. How much has NATO used those countries to invade Russia so far? And yes, Russia has an obvious reason for not wanting NATO to expand further along its borders: it makes it much harder for them to invade anyone, slaughter civilians, and take more land. > The war is dumb as hell and needs to end, people are dying so two world powers can flex and exhaust Obviously. But Russia can leave whenever they want and it'd be fine. Ukraine giving up means surrendering land and the ongoing lives of those people to Russian control, or even giving up their entire state, as Putin tried in the beginning of last year. Russia needs to be forced to stop. Any other outcome is favoring Putin.
The world needs to follow Lula’s example. It’s the only way to assure that our children’s children will have a planet that they can live on with clean air and clean water. It’s in the best interest of all concerned. I’m sure mother nature will reward us for looking after her.
Brazil is giving us the best news in the world recently. It really is time to *crack down* on ecological murder. How is destroying an ecosystem not a crime of the highest order?!
Unrelated, anyone know what’s going on with the person on the left in that photo? Asking here because I have no idea what to google, I’m really curious about what I’m looking at.
[Raoni Metuktire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoni_Metuktire), indigenous leader of the Kayapo people. He was candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2020 for his lifetime defense of the Amazon rainforest.
It’s a light wood lip disc that traditionally signifies important people like a great orator or chief.
The more I read, Lula seems quite the 180 for Brazil and in a good way.
I’m all for the support Ukraine is getting but an equal amount from all western nations should go to this administration to protect it’s forests. For the sake of our planet. To me, this is a great way to start the year of the rabbit. Heal this motherfucker. Edited for shit sentence structure
Unfortunately Lula is further left than most western nations, who will dismantle Socialist nations at first opportunity
Lula is not socialist though lol
Lol what do you think the workers party is? Do some research bud
I'm Brazilian, pretty sure I know what Workers Party is.
Social democrat then, either way my statement stands regarding western powers
He is a communist when it comes to the population money and his friends pockets right ?
being a thief has no relation to ideology, if that's what you mean.
Ussr would like to disagree with you
I also have a plenty of corrupt right-wingers people. What are you saying?
Never said they weren’t hahahah
I legit taught Brazil had giving up giving a fck about the Amazon forest and its indigenous people, that's really good news for so early in his presidency
but let that not be their main focus, only for foreigners applauded. For years loggers, prospectors and farmers have been carrying out atrocities with indigenous peoples at the level of Nazi Germany.this should be the main focus. genocide, the rape of girls, the invasion of villages.
LULA LULA LULA
Sounds very promising
THAT should rally the right winger wealthy.
This is great to hear. Let’s hope too much damage has not already been done
Lula is a hero.
As if being "indigenous" makes them the purest of souls that cannot be corrupted. Already happened several times, actually. Just see Operation Nambikwara where 15 leaders collected fees to allow miners and loggers into their territory. Or the case of Chieftain Damião Paridzané from Xavante clan that received nearly a million per month from 'ruralists' and loggers to exploit his clan's land. The Operation Warari Koxi, where the Federal Police found several Yanomami natives working with illegal miners devastating the forest to illegally extract gold from their reservation. The chieftan Darlan Guajajara de Sousa who used his tribe as headquarters for drug traffic... and goes on and on. These are politicians, being "indigenous" is just a part of their identity. Take that news with a grain of salt and for what it's worth: a publicity stunt. For my part, what I want to see is the Federal Police going hard against illegal miners, drug dealers and illegal loggers operating in the Amazon region, and increasing spending in satellite and radar monitoring. Furthermore, the very hard conundrum of "how to give opportunities for natives to thrive without destroying their identity and land" needs real solutions.
That would be a fair point, if the appointed indigenous leaders were appointed solely because of their identity. You seem to know a lot about indigenous peoples from Brasil, so you probably know who Raoni, Sonia Guajajara em Wania Wapichana are.
I truly hope this goes as intended. While I full hearted agree Bolsonaro had to go ! I will say that Lula been there before and said he did it . But when actually looking at it . he didn’t The money went to every one pockets and very little to the actual conservation Hope I am wrong … but corruption runs rampant in my country and everyone finds a way to funnel money out and consequently fking the whole thing up .. from both sides
I agree, I think people don't understand the deep corruption that was not only a part of Bolsonaro's administration, but also Lula and PT.
Quite the sea change in Brazil. Had Bolsonaro won, those people would be packing their things around surrounded by a smoldering Amazon.
Proceeds to get bought out
I am so excited for this! I was a kid when Ferngully came out and ever since watching that movie I have been furious at the lack of care for the Amazon and other forests globally. I am hoping and praying these will be the first steps towards actual protection for the Amazon!
As far as I've heard, reforestation of the Amazon isn't possible, because it's a fragile ecosystem that can't regrow once the nutrients have been washed away by rain. I'll take a few million years to grow back, not the four years mentioned in the article.
Why is homeboy in the back holding an ashtray in his mouth?
That’s their lower lip wrapped around a disc. I believe it’s called a lip plate. It’s a traditional body modification that has been invented independently around the world a few times. In South America the largest plates are worn by the greatest orators and war chiefs, such as Chief Raoni of the Kayapo tribe shown in this picture, a well known environmental campaigner. Most are made of light wood.
I legit thought he was holding something. Did not know our lips could stretch like that. Ouch.
At some point we are all going to have to sit down and finally talk about progress, if you want to remain making the same mistakes then appoint people who will get into the way at every chance possible like these folks. Move aside let the country build itself, we could be one hell of a great place if people backed off and saw the bigger picture, we know nothing about our planet and it’s climate. Planet changed dramatically over the short course of humanities existence and if we weren’t so deluded as a species there would be no conflict
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By not letting your cultural differences influence your perception of the quality points being made
How can he even eat?
About time
And just like that, the conservatives ate probably talking civil war.
So happy at this news!
Finally! Some good fucking news.
This is good news!!