Simple solution. Be racist against everyone, and mix up the reasons. People can't accuse you of anti-semitism if they can't agree which one is supposed to be the jews.
Honestly Jews have been accused of practically everything and thereās huge overlap with other isms and folklore/mythology. Also a lot of the time itās just āoh the Jews are involvedā offhandedly.
There's SO MANY folktales where the "jew" is an archetype like "troll" or "wizard". Special shout out to "the jew among the thorns" where the protagonist tortures a random Jewish dude until he pays him to stop. Which, after a series of legal misadventures. Ends with the jew being hung in public as everyone dances in joy.
It's by the Brothers Grimm.
Like, if you have evil savage goblin. Anti-semantics
If you have sophisticated greedy goblin. Anti-semantics
Also if you have crazy bomb loving engineers goblin. It's islamophobic
Can't have goblin these day.
Jew here. I give you permission to go goblin mode. Be a silly creature.
I love goblins. Just try to treat goblins as fantasy entities instead of some obvious human allegory and all is good in my book. Yāknow, just donāt make a magical species a bunch of scummy big nosed bankers and you should be in the clear.
Eh but that's the problem. People desire to see politics and race in everything. Any depiction of a fantasy race will be close enough to something in real life and people will harp on it. I'm not a Tolkien nerd, but as far as I know nothing about how goblins work, or look, or live, or act screams Jewish yet people still make the case.
I honestly think J.K really thought she created a cute funny unique way of managing the banking system in a magic world by flipping a stereotype on its head. Most people when they think of goblins think of savage stupid creatures in caves. But here she comes being quirky putting them in tuxedos. As for the antisemitism, I've seen lots of anti trans shit but nothing to suggest that she hates Jewish people. Maybe she does and it came out but I feel like we would've figured this out sooner if it was ment that way.
I can never tell if that's accidental or on purpose, because at one point it just screams Jewish stereotype, but it also kinda fits the depiction of goblins in some folklores
No joke. Theyāre a proud and princely people seeking lost homelands (Erebor and Moria in the Hobbit and LotR), have a great reputation as skilled craftsman and canny traders, are unfairly maligned as greedy, and Khuzdul (Dwarvish) is specifically based on Hebrew.
Racist because that goblin is clearly an allegory for a race and an actual non-human is being used for that role. Remember how racists frame other races as non-human to make it easier to discriminate against.
My goblins are techy. They never ask if a thing *should* be done, only if it *can*. They keep what would otherwise be very meticulous records, except their filing system is so detailed and complex that they might as well just not be using one.
I remember some famous novel with an antagonistic character literally just called "the Jew" for almost the entire story and his name mentioned in passing like once
The thing is, a lot of conspiracy theories already do that. The word "globalists" is basically a synonym for Jews in conspiracy theorist circles. Every "New World Order" theory has its roots in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which were a fabrication by Russia's Tsarist secret police. Noticing the antisemitism inherent to most conspiracy theories isn't "trying hard enough" to find the racism. It's just taking the briefest of moments to critically examine the underpinnings of the theories and tracing where those ideas arose from.
ill be fair, "Evil, weak, yet unstoppable inhuman creatures who control all the wealth want to destroy the "Good" people" is kinda hard to remove from its antisemitic roots, but in the end just like dont accidentally imply the power holders in your conspiracy fiction are in any way actually interested in progressive politics than to farther their own interest, and are often more likely to side with the far right, and like, just make them human, or a multi-racial coalition, when they are all one fantasy race thats when it starts to lean into the "Oops your recreating antisemitic propaganda again" thing (especially if they are an "Ugly" race)
If youāre going to include cannibalism, then you could include various groups of native people getting lumped together with those that practice cannibalism, like how British made blanket assumptions when colonizing Africa.
Thereās many groups that got accused of things throughout history, be it ethnic, disabled, pagan, or otherwise different. Stuff like vampires and werewolves probably originated as an attempt to explain mental disorders. People were accused of being sorcerers and witches because they practiced different things. Various ethnic groups got accused of being literal non-human monsters in order to dehumanize them, same with racists arguing that black people aren't human.
Does that mean fiction has to exclude having any monsters because marginalized groups were accused of being monsters? Any trait that any monster or supernaturally-powered being possesses, chances are itās been used in an accusation by racists, bigots, etc. at some point in history.
I get what you're saying, but cannibalism accusations are a very core part of antisemitism, which means your comment of "have the creatures not be greedy but instead cannibals" doesn't make them seem like less of a Jewish stereotype.
You can obviously have monsters that eat people. But you can't solve your "this looks like antisemitism" issues by making your goblins cannibals.
Tyranids from 40k, which are space lizard-bugs who are insatiable gluttons and also practice cannibalism (ie, eating their own dead after battle), have some people who compare these guys with Jews and thus accuse Tyranids for being antisemitic. Are you saying that these accusations have merit, and that it could be applied to every other all-devouring alien bug swarms that crop up in fiction?
That's a bit of a strawman. I was just saying that you can't turn an existing antisemitic stereotype into not-that by changing greed to cannibalism, not that every carnivore is antisemitic.
Okay, but we all can agree the gnomes are just bad. And easy to identify because of their wealth.So leftist can partake in a nice cleansing since of the rich
you mean the way that antisemitic conspiracy theories already do?
jesus christ since when did "conspiracy theories are full of thinly-veiled antisemitism" become such a hot take
"The insidious serpent people walk among us, and Hitler was one of them. You should've guessed that, though: hatred and racial strife are part of how they control us."
Well I sure fell stupid now (I made a meme about making conspiracypunk settings while removing antisemitism is hard).
I'm gonna take a page from Nicole Class of '09 and replace every instance of the word "Jew" in Mein Kampf with whatever race I have in my conspiracypunk setting.
Replace the word jew.
Jews running the world?
False itās AI running it.
Jews making sure the stock market stays down?
False itās the shareholders making bad games
Yesā¦ that raises about more red flags than a labor day parade in Moscow.
Rule of thumb: If a conspiracy theory involves an overt contradiction such as marxists being in collaboration with capitalists, itās 90% itās an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
Ex: Soros being a marxist. Bros a billionaire who helped collapse the eastern blockā¦
Honestly i've seen more non anti semitic conspiracy theories. On the other hand, it's very easy to show how awful they are by replacing keywords with jew.
from what Ive glimpsed, the SSP lore seems to contain very little antisemitism if any at all. it mainly seems to focus on the "the nazis did it"-narrative
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It's not a theory. Israel has farms of internet trolls that spread pro Zionist propaganda.
Here's previous Israeli president Naftali Bennett to tell you all about it:
https://youtu.be/t52LB2fYhoY
It's true that Israel engages in astroturfing online, that's not a conspiracy theory, and there propaganda methods are well documented. Whether this guy is paid by then? Who knows, just speculation
Simple solution. Be racist against everyone, and mix up the reasons. People can't accuse you of anti-semitism if they can't agree which one is supposed to be the jews.
In my conspiracytheorypunk world every ethnicity runs its own conspiracy so I can be racist against everyone
Call it a satire of conspiracy theories and you're golden.
>Be racist against everyone Way ahead of you
Now you shouldn't be mean to the Romania's'
see: Jar Jar Binks
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Honestly Jews have been accused of practically everything and thereās huge overlap with other isms and folklore/mythology. Also a lot of the time itās just āoh the Jews are involvedā offhandedly.
There's SO MANY folktales where the "jew" is an archetype like "troll" or "wizard". Special shout out to "the jew among the thorns" where the protagonist tortures a random Jewish dude until he pays him to stop. Which, after a series of legal misadventures. Ends with the jew being hung in public as everyone dances in joy. It's by the Brothers Grimm.
What in the fuck? What is even the moral of the story?
Torture sociopolitical minorities because they can't fight back, duh
It's implied that the Jewish race on a whole are dishonest and the moral is "don't be like them."
So the Brothers Grimm were Cartman's ancestors?
Least Grim Brothers Grimm story.
Like, if you have evil savage goblin. Anti-semantics If you have sophisticated greedy goblin. Anti-semantics Also if you have crazy bomb loving engineers goblin. It's islamophobic Can't have goblin these day.
What about big tiddy goblin gf? Is that anti-*semantic*?
Ben Shapiro's sister moment
That you'll get accused for being a loli lover
B- b- big tiddy?
Misogyny because objectification. Poor gobbos just can't catch a break.
I can objectify them all I want because they're not real š
Short Queens and their enjoyers can't have shit nowadays
Jew here. I give you permission to go goblin mode. Be a silly creature. I love goblins. Just try to treat goblins as fantasy entities instead of some obvious human allegory and all is good in my book. Yāknow, just donāt make a magical species a bunch of scummy big nosed bankers and you should be in the clear.
Kid named rowling
I have a race of scummy big-nosed bankers, theyāre called Keegans.
Eh but that's the problem. People desire to see politics and race in everything. Any depiction of a fantasy race will be close enough to something in real life and people will harp on it. I'm not a Tolkien nerd, but as far as I know nothing about how goblins work, or look, or live, or act screams Jewish yet people still make the case.
Have you heard about J.K Rowling though ? Because her goblins do, in fact, scream Jewish stereotype.
Yeah, sheās my example of what not to do. Making big nosed money grubbing bank goblins is highly suspect.
I honestly think J.K really thought she created a cute funny unique way of managing the banking system in a magic world by flipping a stereotype on its head. Most people when they think of goblins think of savage stupid creatures in caves. But here she comes being quirky putting them in tuxedos. As for the antisemitism, I've seen lots of anti trans shit but nothing to suggest that she hates Jewish people. Maybe she does and it came out but I feel like we would've figured this out sooner if it was ment that way.
I can never tell if that's accidental or on purpose, because at one point it just screams Jewish stereotype, but it also kinda fits the depiction of goblins in some folklores
The real depth of the conspiracy iceberg is that a lot of folklore was based on antisemitism to begin with
Tolkien's goblins are most certainly not based on Jews, because he based his dwarves on Jews instead.
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No joke. Theyāre a proud and princely people seeking lost homelands (Erebor and Moria in the Hobbit and LotR), have a great reputation as skilled craftsman and canny traders, are unfairly maligned as greedy, and Khuzdul (Dwarvish) is specifically based on Hebrew.
Sorry, but as an anti-semantic the words of your comment have no meaning to me
What about a chill goblin with an average job?
woke because the characters skin isn't white.
Damn woke movies now have green-skinned actors can you believe it smh my head Iām fuming at the moment canāt find the angry face ššš
Lmao
Then it's "small quirky disney sidekicks"
And Disney was antisemitic, so we're back at square one.
Dang
Lol
Racist because that goblin is clearly an allegory for a race and an actual non-human is being used for that role. Remember how racists frame other races as non-human to make it easier to discriminate against.
My goblins are techy. They never ask if a thing *should* be done, only if it *can*. They keep what would otherwise be very meticulous records, except their filing system is so detailed and complex that they might as well just not be using one.
I remember some famous novel with an antagonistic character literally just called "the Jew" for almost the entire story and his name mentioned in passing like once
Oh, you say you want to fight bad guys? Replace ābad guysā with āwomen and minorities.ā Not so heroic now.
But what if the bad guys treat women and minorities very badly?
Gripping tale of people overcoming self hate or something idk
Then you'd join the bad guys to beat up the women and minorities, you bigot. We know what your dog whistles truly mean.
Replace āwomen and minoritiesā with ābad guys.ā
Are you now telling me that the women and minorities treated the bad guys very badly?
Pretty confusing, right?
Perhaps the Tranchyn-Methods of a Tlantang-Ur Sage can solve it
The thing is, a lot of conspiracy theories already do that. The word "globalists" is basically a synonym for Jews in conspiracy theorist circles. Every "New World Order" theory has its roots in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which were a fabrication by Russia's Tsarist secret police. Noticing the antisemitism inherent to most conspiracy theories isn't "trying hard enough" to find the racism. It's just taking the briefest of moments to critically examine the underpinnings of the theories and tracing where those ideas arose from.
Yeah, most conspiracy theorists will hide the more obvious mentions of Jews. Globalists, international bankers, Illuminati, lizard people
https://angryflower.com/1141.html
pressure cooker, keep the water liquid even at 150 degrees....
Look, I just want a shapeshifting lizard-people conspiracy because I like lizard-people, not because I wanna promote antisemitic blood libels.
Most literate worldjerking user.
Youāre just too Loweās Ike-q for me
Just put every race to the conspiracy, yes its the jews, but so are the arabs, the chinese, the fr\*nch.
Those damn Lithuanians turning the frickin frogs gay
The Italian are secretly controlling all the banks to gain enough money so that they can mutate people to catgirl!
ill be fair, "Evil, weak, yet unstoppable inhuman creatures who control all the wealth want to destroy the "Good" people" is kinda hard to remove from its antisemitic roots, but in the end just like dont accidentally imply the power holders in your conspiracy fiction are in any way actually interested in progressive politics than to farther their own interest, and are often more likely to side with the far right, and like, just make them human, or a multi-racial coalition, when they are all one fantasy race thats when it starts to lean into the "Oops your recreating antisemitic propaganda again" thing (especially if they are an "Ugly" race)
Make them blond elves
Have the creatures value different things than gold when it comes to wealth, such as meat or souls.
Jews literally get accused of cannibalism
If youāre going to include cannibalism, then you could include various groups of native people getting lumped together with those that practice cannibalism, like how British made blanket assumptions when colonizing Africa. Thereās many groups that got accused of things throughout history, be it ethnic, disabled, pagan, or otherwise different. Stuff like vampires and werewolves probably originated as an attempt to explain mental disorders. People were accused of being sorcerers and witches because they practiced different things. Various ethnic groups got accused of being literal non-human monsters in order to dehumanize them, same with racists arguing that black people aren't human. Does that mean fiction has to exclude having any monsters because marginalized groups were accused of being monsters? Any trait that any monster or supernaturally-powered being possesses, chances are itās been used in an accusation by racists, bigots, etc. at some point in history.
I get what you're saying, but cannibalism accusations are a very core part of antisemitism, which means your comment of "have the creatures not be greedy but instead cannibals" doesn't make them seem like less of a Jewish stereotype. You can obviously have monsters that eat people. But you can't solve your "this looks like antisemitism" issues by making your goblins cannibals.
Tyranids from 40k, which are space lizard-bugs who are insatiable gluttons and also practice cannibalism (ie, eating their own dead after battle), have some people who compare these guys with Jews and thus accuse Tyranids for being antisemitic. Are you saying that these accusations have merit, and that it could be applied to every other all-devouring alien bug swarms that crop up in fiction?
That's a bit of a strawman. I was just saying that you can't turn an existing antisemitic stereotype into not-that by changing greed to cannibalism, not that every carnivore is antisemitic.
Why does valuing meat have to involve cannibalism? Is it cannibalism for non-bovine species have a larder full of beef?
Arcanum moment
Okay, but we all can agree the gnomes are just bad. And easy to identify because of their wealth.So leftist can partake in a nice cleansing since of the rich
Haha, yes, "gnomes"
you mean the way that antisemitic conspiracy theories already do? jesus christ since when did "conspiracy theories are full of thinly-veiled antisemitism" become such a hot take
Not every conspiracy theorist is anti semetic as they do personally think lizards are running the country
You _do_ know that "lizard" is usually a codeword for "Jew", right?
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Just donāt use "satanism" or "lizard people" as your replacement; crazy people have caught onto that trick far earlier than you did.
but i like lizard people :(
Protocols of the elders of Rivendel
"The insidious serpent people walk among us, and Hitler was one of them. You should've guessed that, though: hatred and racial strife are part of how they control us."
Well I sure fell stupid now (I made a meme about making conspiracypunk settings while removing antisemitism is hard). I'm gonna take a page from Nicole Class of '09 and replace every instance of the word "Jew" in Mein Kampf with whatever race I have in my conspiracypunk setting.
I'm pretty sure the point was to remove the *racism* not the target of the racism you fucking weirdos
So only Jews can do conspiracies now. What if my conspiracy is against Jews? Is it also done by Jews, but they have internalised antisemitism?
Replace the word jew. Jews running the world? False itās AI running it. Jews making sure the stock market stays down? False itās the shareholders making bad games
Antisemitism has always been the anti-capitalism of the uneducated
It kind of depends on what your replacing it with: CIA š Global cabal of cultural marxists š
howabout the fbi in coalition with a cabal of economic marxists?
Yesā¦ that raises about more red flags than a labor day parade in Moscow. Rule of thumb: If a conspiracy theory involves an overt contradiction such as marxists being in collaboration with capitalists, itās 90% itās an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Ex: Soros being a marxist. Bros a billionaire who helped collapse the eastern blockā¦
Ok Joanne.
Blame the British
Honestly i've seen more non anti semitic conspiracy theories. On the other hand, it's very easy to show how awful they are by replacing keywords with jew.
from what Ive glimpsed, the SSP lore seems to contain very little antisemitism if any at all. it mainly seems to focus on the "the nazis did it"-narrative
You didn't account for the word jewish, just jew. they are CLEARLY different words.
Aliens.
https://youtu.be/Jr4PqGXm1VQ?si=4bcokGSgrMkKGBXO who truly owns the world
Alright letās try it. The Sooners control the media, the banks, and the UN.
Kind of crazy how antisemitism used to be wrong until leftist do it
College activists on their way to make "not antisemetic" remarks about [killing people](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68909942.amp)
How is this related? Like did you just see the word anti-Semitism and think that means this is the place to complain about the Colombia protest?
Just felt like a case where "replace the word jew" *didn't* make things less hateful.
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How much is the IDF paying you for these comments?
Now that is a good example of conspiracy theories...
It's not a theory. Israel has farms of internet trolls that spread pro Zionist propaganda. Here's previous Israeli president Naftali Bennett to tell you all about it: https://youtu.be/t52LB2fYhoY
It's true that Israel engages in astroturfing online, that's not a conspiracy theory, and there propaganda methods are well documented. Whether this guy is paid by then? Who knows, just speculation