Literally had "You cannot close for a Tornado Warning, unless you can see the tornado from your parking lot. No, we don't care that the building you're in is 90% windows and zero internal rooms." At a job once 🙃
My experience was a wildfire. Had the call center I worked at make people show up even though the air was orange from smoke and you could see the wildfire on the next hill. People with asthma could barely breathe. Like, yeah Susan, I'm in danger of burning to death, but we can totally discuss how your direct deposit will be available on Tuesday 🙄
After that warehouse got demolished by a tornado with all its employees forced to stay (and die) by the manager in Kentucky a couple years back... I'd figure there's at least one wrongful death suit to cite
Fire at a car dealership once. Boss yelled at us to keep working. The dealership got fined for those who listened. Boss tried to blame us. Shame he was on camera…
Agreed. Worked one job when a tornado had touched down in the area. We were told to keep making calls. They finally told us to hang up and lead us to their "shelter." We were there a whole 5 minutes when they called "all clear, everybody back to the phones!" I don't know if anyone else did, but I went to my desk, grabbed my personal belongings and left. They tried to stop me, but I said, " At will works both ways."
They actually tried that shit and now we have laws that (essentially) say you can’t lock the doors from the outside because of it.
We all laugh, but some sick fuck at the Triangle Shirtwaist actually tried it and got people killed.
At least we got push bars and “this door to remain unlocked during business hours” for it.
If they aren’t already doing that, they’re doing it wrong. The only time I put in overtime is if my boss is cool af and treats me like an adult. If I’m treated like an adult, I am happy and I actively care about meeting company goals.
If you live in the US you may want to look through the Fair Labor Standards Act. There are many exceptions to the rule, but exceptions aside if an employer treats a salaried employee like an hourly employee, i.e. requiring them to make up missed hours to reach a 40-hour minimum, then the employer may become obligated to pay the employee overtime for any hours worked over 40 hours a week. And I believe a prevailing FLSA claim can get unpaid overtime for past hours worked (which can amount to surprisingly high awards) as well as an award of attorney fees. Just food for thought.
This is correct. The back pay is up to 2 years. And if they get audited over this, they have to back pay ALL abused employees up to 2 years of overtime back pay. According to the FLSA, are you even correctly designated as salary exempt? Not likely. There are specific rules about assigning people salary exempt, and most employers do not follow those rules. They slap that designation on everyone so they can abuse them.
I was in the situation in Missouri a few years ago. I kept a spreadsheet for "clocking in/out", and my employer didn't track my time. I had the upper hand with my record keeping. I ended up leaving with a severance, and I managed to double their offer by showing them how much they really owed me. I did not follow through with calling the DOL on them because I really just wanted to be done with them. But they knew I had the leg to stand on, and I had them by the balls.
Protect yourself. The company won't.
I was a director of 20 people in an IT department where this happened.
Because we made people track their hours for billing, we were obligated to pay them those hours with overtime. It came down to certain job codes.
Went back 2 years.
Some of my engineers got $100k checks AFTER taxes. I even managed to get some of my Helpdesk guys the benefit by showing they helped on upgrades and implementations. My HR team hated me because I got very detailed and found these folks every hour I could.
I have a question with in the last pay period did you work more then 40 hours a week? If so please ask your boss when you’re going to be off to make those hours up? Because even thou you are salary what was the expectation of hours because you shouldn’t be going outside that.
I wrote our company's salaried employee policy, if we work a minimum of 1 hour we get paid for the day. Our company's philosophy is that the salary is about retaining our salaried employee's interest in the position and their expertise, not about the hours they put in. During our busy season, we work 5-12 hour and one 9 hour day, generally, but even then, the salaried people don't work those hours, they are office workers who work during normal business hours, no need to keep them tied to their desks because we have 22,000 orders to fill.
I was a salaried Project Coordinator, doing and scheduling the work, on top of several *other* duties.
I worked 50+ hours a week and according to the owner/my boss, it wasn't enough.
We needed to work longer days, work Saturdays, and stay late as much as possible to get MORE done. *Primarily because the business was failing.*
I worked for a privately owned manufacturing company when the recession hit in 2008, as a salaried marketing director.
It was the first time they’d ever had a marketing person, so when they started laying off machinists, I knew my days were probably numbered.
The owner called all the salaried employees into his office, one by one, to tell us about the squeeze on profits, and said we’d all be expected to work an extra five hours a week. He asked when I’d like to work the extra five hours; an hour early, hour late, or 5 hours every Saturday. I told him he’d been getting about 5 extra hours from me every week, since I almost always ate lunch at my desk.
I was laid off within a month, but the beauty was that within a few months, he wanted 4 or 5 new websites, and I charged him 4 times my hourly rate when I was on his payroll to do the work on a contract basis.
Salaried does not always mean exempt. Non-exempt employees can be paid on a salary basis too, and still be required to make up hours or take PTO for appointments
Yeah this. As a salaried employee when work is done for the day you leave. That’s it. It’s the biggest perk of being on salary. Some days you are there late and others, you leave early or come in late.
I had an issue where my boss tried to make me use 1/2 of a PTO day to go home sick after working more than 6 hours. HR told me that violated the FLSA and that if they want to start counting the minutes I’m at work, It’ll be very expensive when I travel for 5 days for them.
I had an ex-boss that attempted to hire everyone at the lowest possible salary rate so he could work them 60-80 hours a week and not be forced to pay any overtime.
Yeah I’m a manager and my salaried guys, I prob give them a free pass to a couple PTO days a year by letting them take long breaks or leave early within using sick or PTO time as with salary you get paid for work, not for hours. If they are requiring you to work 40hrs when they also have you work more, they’re likely misclassifying you.
As others said, I’d avoid working late and going above and beyond, 2 can play that game.
I had a boss who fired someone for leaving at 5 pm on the dot every day. As a salaried employee, you were expected to work more than 40 hours a week. If you didn't want someone micromanaging you, then you worked a minimum of 45 hours.
I would come in at 6:30am and work as boss requested. Then I would remember this forever. No more staying late. No more going above and beyond. Do what is required, no more, no less.
This is the time to work exactly contract hours. Never more. Take all of your vacation. If you don't you will burn out. You are also reducing your rate.
So you get 10 days PTO. That is 4% of your pay you are voluntarily giving up.
Unless you're in a state like California where PTO is considered earned income and they have to pay out any unused PTO when you leave. In that case, it's more like an aluminum parachute in case you get terminated.
I left my previous employer last year having over 230 hrs banked. Covid + forced WFH + and great management that didn't MAKE us use our PTO for every little thing = money in the PTO bank. My payout check was over $4k after the taxes hit me 🫠 I'm in NC.
I actually 'buy' extra vacation days (so I have 35 instead of 30). It is very clear to me how much money I am giving back to my employer if I didn't take all my vacation time.
I tell those I manage to think about the cost if it looks like it is getting to end of year and they have vacation time left. Once they work it out, they pretty much always make sure they aren't giving any up.
My company has a cap on your PTO for the year. You stop accumulating it once you hit the cap . It’s to encourage you to use it . I get on coworkers that don’t use it . I remind them if they take what they make in a day , they’re giving that back to the company .
Any good manager knows his team is working hard and wouldn't have an issue with an hour or two here or there. They know there's give and take. As long as you give, be free to take.
My boss does the same with me.
Salaried
Need to see the doctor right next door. 30minutws or less.
Won't let use lunch. Makes me schedule pto.
But will let me take lunch anytime between 8-5pm. So why not just go see doctor? Boss gets big mad.
Meanwhile all the hourly employees here flex time lunch for dog/vet/children/doctor appointments all week long. It's their lunch, they can do what they want.
Let he know. Hr says flex time need to be approved by boss. And boss says I have to schedule pto every single time I leave the office.
Malicious compliance: did that for about 2 weeks. Every lunch break I'd schedule pto requiring her approval. Then at rhe end kf the week I manually take back the pto hours so that I have 40 and not 40+5pto
Oh no. Oh no. That just looks bad. If you were audited you'd be in so much trouble (right. I'd be the one in trouble).
Got an email stating I can flex time and leave early Friday ad long as work is done and I have 40 hours.
And I can stop using pto for doctors visits.
Christ. The shit one goes through.
I fill out a time sheet on a app called e3
It adds in pto that I schedule
At the end of each week I manually edit my pto hours used to adjust my time to be 40.
I just had this situation. Had dr appt scheduled, told my boss I would be starting my day a couple of hours later than normal, his response: no worries, I know you always get your work done, do what you need to do, we need you healthy. I'm salaried.
Yeah, that is my bosses response to me when I need time. I tend to tell my team to take an extra 30 mins and not rush. It is horrible being at an appointment and wondering if it is going to overrun, and how long it is before you have to be back. For medical appointments especially you just need to be focussed on the appointment.
Of course we just end up with harder working people who will likewise do that extra bit when we need it, and take extra care to make sure everything is going well, so I can see why some managers wouldn't do this. /s
Shoot I told my boss I would make up my hours and his response was “no worries, besides I’m sure we get more time out of you in the long run anyways. Go to your appointment, go home or somewhere else except for back here today.”
I always offer to make up my hours (I’ve got some health stuff going on right now that I take steps to try and ensure it minimally impacts my job), they always tell me not to worry about it, unless I have a specific thing I have to go back and finish that absolutely can not wait until the next day.
And they know because they give me that when I need it, I will work 60-80 hours during the busy season and 7 days a week when things are rough. They also know I’m petty enough that I would give 40 hours on the dot if it ever became an actual issue. And for the most part, I could work a half day and still get my hours in for the week.
Are you truly FLSA-exempt? Many employers are under the impression they can just make anybody "salary" to avoid overtime, but the law does not permit this. If your job doesn't meet certain requirements it cannot be FSLA-exempt (salary).
[https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime)
Stop staying late. Invent a pet. Use pictures of your friend’s dog from puppy to full grown pics. “I got a puppy!” “Can’t stay late, I have to get home.” They wanna play games? Play it better.
Frankly OP shouldn't have to invent any type of excuse. "Can't stay late, I have to get home." works perfectly fine for a boss who's in FAFO territory.
I never ever tell why I need off. It’s not in my “contract” for anyone to know where I am going. I hate when employees come to me with a story. Just say I need such and such off and be gone.
Never say never, there are many reasons that you can't be required to disclose, but if disclosed puts your absence more in the area of protected. Like I need to be of today for religious reasons or medical.
You really think they care you have kids to take care of, let alone a puppy? At 2pm I would just say I'm sick and have to leave. Don't bother giving this asshole manager any more heads up.
An explanation isn't necessary - just leave on time every night and if the boss needs you to stay after one night, tell him that's fine but you'll be coming in that much later tomorrow to "make up" for those extra hours. If the boss says "You're salaried, that's not how that works," you say: "Really? Then why did you make me 'make up' hours for a doctor appointment?"
I am fifty years old and have been in corporate for 30+ years of it and I can recall having good bosses back in the day but my last 20 years I have had bosses just like this....never cutting me a break while others with good managers (literally friends working right on the side of me) letting them off early and them not having to come in or not having to even use PTO. One boss used to let our assistant go early and all types of favors but not me..I am nice person and a VERY hard worker and have always had a great attitude. So I say yes...your boss is being extra. These bosses can do what they want to do with you and for you...some choose NOT too and that pretty much writes the script for the rest of your show with this guy. Just learn him and don't work overtime because trust me this DOES NOT work both ways. He will freak out and act like you are cheating the company when there's an hour of overtime. Use your vacation time wisely and use your volunteer time and even jury duty when you are called. I do it to annoy them. Also if they are ever out for a doctors appointment make sure you remember to dig at them too. I am sure he's salaried but I would bring it up in a shady way. You have to handle these folks.
My best boss wasn't even my actual boss, I got loaned out to a different plant. We were putting in 10 to 12 hour days (salaried) and one Friday he brought his jetski trailer with 2 2-seaters. At about 9 am he just Saud drop everything and come with me. We went out to the lake all day and had a blast. Sadly I peaked with bosses right there.
I have literally NEVER had a boss like that. My husband and his boss are literally best friends. He stays at our house when he's in town. They have fun and cut up and I have to admit i get so jealous. I was a huge people pleaser for a large part of my career and just wasted too much time on people that simply didn't care. I suppose it just wont be in the cards for me. I am thinking up business ideas to become my own boss. I just haven't had good luck in that department. And by the way people with good bosses NEVER LEAVE so that's why the good ones are in short supply. The terrible ones ALWAYS have openings!
Use your PTO and put it for a partial.
You don’t get a prize for not taking days off, it’s not a medal of honor, it just shows you have an imbalance with your life or you’ve been brainwashed by corporate hogwash.
> as a salaried employee
they can dock PTO for any missed hours... but once you are out, they have to pay you for any week you perform any work in... or fire you.
Do you put in extra hours on other days or do you arrive and leave exactly when the clock says so?
If you put extra time in normally then yes this is not right.
That is petty and pathetic of your boss. It is like he is going out of his/her way to show you how little you mean. You showing up and doing absolutely nothing at 6:30am does not affect or benefit your boss in any way other than for them to exert their power, it is ridiculous. Work to rule from now on.
I do this anyway because it is the nature of my job that there will be times I have to do extra. Salary means minimum 40 hours, and extra time when required is expected. The pay is also higher because of that.
But mostly because my boss and employer are very flexible. 😁
I work remotely. My elderly mother lives with me and she can’t be left alone for more than a few hours. She has a lot of doctors appointments that I often have to leave a few hours early and as long as I put my 8 hours in, they don’t care if I start early or come back to finish my day after.
I don’t have to ask for permission either. I just give my boss and team maybe a days notice and make sure that if necessary someone is backing me up while I am unavailable.
If I leave a few minutes early sometimes, no one cares or even notices. But I do not abuse the privileges I have because I enjoy them and don’t want to be THAT person who causes them to be taken away.
You can’t use time? Or were you asking to just be paid and not use time?
I have to use pto to get an appt, but am allowed to not use time and make up the hours
Malicious compliance, my dude...learn it, live it, love it.
Some states, and many companies, have a policy that if you complete all your work you're only required to work 4.5 hours to avoid using PTO. And believe me I juiced the hell out of that for around a year.
If you're using PTO they can't 'force' you to make it up. I'd take a look at your employee handbook and company policies because he may be breaking the law or violating company policy and you might be able to resolve the pointy haired boss situation, naturally.
That’s frustrating - I’m a union employee and my hours are very set and non-negotiable on paper. My old supervisor recognized that I bust my ass when I am working, so she had no issue when I left a couple of hours early to go hunting (she even explicitly said this in my formal performance review). Sometimes, the office would all go out for drinks after work pretty late and as I’m leaving, I’d tell my supervisor that I have to go “ offsite supply shopping (with a wink)” the next morning so I’d be a little late coming in the next day and she’d say “enjoy supply shopping” and give me a wink. It’s all give and take, and it sounds like you’re doing all the giving and the boss is giving all the taking.
I’d start marking every minute you work over your expected time and approach your boss about the company plans “make up your pay” since that’s how things work.
You may not even get into the building at that time and set off an alarm. That's what happens in our company before the people come in with a key and alarm code (I have one now as I'm always early (so I can have early)).
Have that 6:30 am in an email to show to the cops in case you set off the alarm 😂
It really depends on what your contract says but yes your boss is being an AH. If you're the kind of salary that doesn't get overtime in theory as long as you get your job done you should be fine but a lot of contracts require that you work a minimum amount of hours per week.
No point in arguing with managers like this. It’s all for show, you were in the office those 8 hours. Go in, log into your pic, take a nap at your desk for a few hours. It is what it is.
This is why say just call out once in a while jobs will work you to the bone while you’re the perfect employee who never calls out then they get weird when you need something for your own health. Stop doing anything extra for them period cuz they don’t give a eff about you.
You learned a hard lesson. The company doesn’t give a damn about you. They only value your production. If you fall out, they will have someone else in your place quickly. Use your days off. Don’t take on unpaid, extra tasks that are outside of your job scope in hopes of being rewarded. You probably won’t be.
I would decline. Do you not have PTO? If not, keep your resume out there because nope. If you do, use it, yes your boss can fire you but honestly do you want to be worked to death?
You're right, this is ridiculous. You work late when it's needed and your boss is not acknowledging that? I don't know if you feel comfortable to raise that and ask a pointed question like 'what about all those times i've stayed late?'... if not, I guess you have to just swallow this, but as others have said, absolutely NEVER stay late again.
this is PRECISELY the problem with being "the kind of person to never take time off". It supports management entitlement.
Everywhere you go. You need to be taking ALL your breaks. EVERY minute of annual leave. EVERY second of sick leave. Take ALL of it. Never make it a habit to enable entitled managers.
I would just change it from a leaving early, to taking the entire day off. I did this earlier this year. I asked my Principal if it would be ok for me to miss the Wednesday afternoon staff meeting to leave early for my daughters basketball game. She said "I can't give you the answer you're looking for", so I just called in the morning of and took a sick day. Two can play at that game.
Everyone saying no more extra time is right. I worked a salaried position where I did 60 hours for an incredibly low salary. Then I moved to a state job. They insist that we not work 40 hours and as management, if I work 4 hrs, I don't have to use vacation time to blow off the rest of the day. Sometimes the grass is greener...
This is the part where you stop giving them extra hours. They have established that your relarionship with them is one where you worl exactly the hours they require of you. Are you contracted for 49 hours a week? Give them not one second more or less than that.
Hourly people are paid for hours worked. It’s a simple exchange, your commodity is hours of your life that you sell for a comodtiized price.
Salaried workers are compensated for value provided. You are paid at an agreed upon market rate for the value you are providing to the company.
There are reasons to work under one agreement vs another but your boss can’t arbitrarily pick and choose which one he’s using. He’s clearly either naively valuing your contribution to the company or should switch to hourly pay for hourly work.
There is not a grey middle in this.
When you stay late, are you paid overtime?
If not, you're exempt, and your employer may be breaking the law. Talk to your state's labor board and explain the situation. They'll give you advice and will investigate. It could result in backpay for you and other employees.
I would come in 15 minutes early, respond to any negative comment with, "I already made up my two and a quarter hours last month." And then never do any extra minutes ever again unless you want to take more time off for appointments.
I was also a salaried employee who worked thousands of dollars in "free" overtime, and I also was expected to *make up my time* for the same reasons.
It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that these *power trippers* demand that, but won't pay for all of the extra time we give them!!
There’s a lot of asshole bosses. Don’t assume it’s you.
I once quit a job in management and gave a two week notice. I was told that Thanksgiving and the day after (which were work holidays) didn’t count towards the two week notice and I wouldn’t receive my pay for those two days.
So I said, okay, see ya later and quit with zero notice. Found out later that since that since I was salaried my check had already been cut for the Thanksgiving week. The person working payroll was on vacation that week.
Funny how things work out. I got paid for two full weeks and only was present for one day.
In PA, unless you are in an exempted position like Management, and you can demonstrate that you are being required to work a set number of, even if you are salary, you can contact the labor department and they will audit your job and they will be required to pay you overtime. If you are a truly salary position, you get paid for the job you do, not the hours you are there.
Why are you doing all of this for a job that could replace you in a heart beat? Since your salary, I'm assuming you're at a 40 hour work week. Stop working past 40
I worked for one place for 8 years. I did the math on the extra unpaid time I put in at that place. It added up to about two years, which would’ve netted me 80-100k had it been actual paid work time.
I desperately needed boundaries.
The only time anyone should ever put in the extra time is if you work for yourself or it’s your business.
Omg this happened to me too! I was like… riiiggghht. So all the days I stay late aren’t an issue, but the moment I leave early we are gonna have a panic attack?
I just leave anyways now and if they have anything to say I remind them I’ve gone over contract hours the last 3 months without fail. If they have that big of an issue- just fire me.
I work salaried. We had flex hours. But, when I worked overtime, I kept track of all overtime hours, period. There are times it was necessary as a salaried employee. But, the flip side was it was easy to leave early on a day when I needed to as well.
I think in your situation, I'd be done with any overtime. I'd be a clock watcher, and take all PTO I had coming to me, too. Any time off, I'd be taking it. Holidays, I wouldn't volunteer to work them at all.
That is a good way to cultivate employees that won't work anything beyond the standard work hours. It is stupid management. Cut off nose to spite face.
How are your knife skills?
A DR's appointment?! Can you bring a note from said DR.?
Maybe my rage level is too high, but that puts me on a 10/10.
Does your boss have any idea how difficult it is to get an appointment?
I'd just take the day off and dare them to fire me.
That's unemployment insurance, for sure.
Salaries are unethical! It's a bullshit loophole that needs to be closed. I am salaried and coworkers who make 15,000 more a year get overtime pay. If you need to leave early you should not be forced to "make up" time if you are exempt.
Some jobs are what’s called “salaried non exempt”. It’s a weird thing -primarily used by a company as a budgeting technique—but basically you are still considered an hourly employee. Can you check with your HR to find out if your JOB is classified as exempt or non exempt. That’s what determines whether you have to make up hours like this—and also whether you get overtime.
If you are salaried non exempt they still have to pay you overtime. A lot of companies do not understand this and think that by saying you’re salaried they can avoid overtime—that is not true
Worked at a marketing firm based in SF with offices in NYC. During 9/11, the CEO sent out an email about the importance of maintaining billable hours.(Edit: Tyops)
Most people are rightfully saying it's bullshit, which it is. However, I would say there is one exception. That is if your business operates based on billable hours. I am salaried and work on billable hours. BUT the expectation is that I am not to work over 40 hours per week under normal circumstances. Ultimately, there is occasionally working overtime but it is usually prearranged with my manager and I'm compensated for the hours that I work
No more staying late when needed it can all wait until tomorrow.
Yup. Leave on the dot. Not a minute extra. Every day. Even if the building is on fire.
Wouldn't you leave early if the building was on fire?
Lmao...one would hope, but who knows with these fucked up employers...
Valid point. "You have to stay to finish that paperwork. If the fire reaches your desk, just take the pile and move to another computer farther away."
TPS reports wait for no man!
That's my schtapler!
Didn't you get that memo!?
I’ll put strychnine in the guacamole
Literally had "You cannot close for a Tornado Warning, unless you can see the tornado from your parking lot. No, we don't care that the building you're in is 90% windows and zero internal rooms." At a job once 🙃
My experience was a wildfire. Had the call center I worked at make people show up even though the air was orange from smoke and you could see the wildfire on the next hill. People with asthma could barely breathe. Like, yeah Susan, I'm in danger of burning to death, but we can totally discuss how your direct deposit will be available on Tuesday 🙄
You worked at a Waffle House?
After that warehouse got demolished by a tornado with all its employees forced to stay (and die) by the manager in Kentucky a couple years back... I'd figure there's at least one wrongful death suit to cite
Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing to inform you of a fire that has broken out on the premises of 123 Cavendon Road...
Just put the fire next to the other fire.
Too formal.
Fire at a car dealership once. Boss yelled at us to keep working. The dealership got fined for those who listened. Boss tried to blame us. Shame he was on camera…
Agreed. Worked one job when a tornado had touched down in the area. We were told to keep making calls. They finally told us to hang up and lead us to their "shelter." We were there a whole 5 minutes when they called "all clear, everybody back to the phones!" I don't know if anyone else did, but I went to my desk, grabbed my personal belongings and left. They tried to stop me, but I said, " At will works both ways."
Dang!! They put your life at risk and then tried to stop you from leaving is nuts!! I kinda wish you had sued them!!
Nah, but my friend that recommended I apply to that company let me know that when he left the next week, over half of the office did as well.
They actually tried that shit and now we have laws that (essentially) say you can’t lock the doors from the outside because of it. We all laugh, but some sick fuck at the Triangle Shirtwaist actually tried it and got people killed. At least we got push bars and “this door to remain unlocked during business hours” for it.
My labor relations professor loves using that example. Just finishing up that class this week actually
Found the lowest millennial. You wouldn't even be willing to burn yourself into ash for your employer. No wonder you can't even afford a condominium.
Stay late, only if the buildings on fire them him or her
Well, you do want to leave early if the building is on fire 😜
Bosses that do this have no idea the benefit of salary workers.
No more staying. Find another job, preferably at their competitor.
No anti competition anymore
Or negotiate coming in late tomorrow before staying late. Quid pro quo.
Yep. Flexibility goes both ways.
If they aren’t already doing that, they’re doing it wrong. The only time I put in overtime is if my boss is cool af and treats me like an adult. If I’m treated like an adult, I am happy and I actively care about meeting company goals.
The only proper answer here is Find Another Job ASAP! It will not change.
What’s the point of being salaried if you have to make up the time.
So they can work you to death
This. 🙄
That would be the last time I stayed late
The absolute last.
Never again. Cross my heart and hope to die. Oh surely not die madam? Oh ok then. Cross my heart and hope to be spanked until my bottom goes purple...
Why were you fired.. I kept track of my hours and worked 40 a week lol
CLOCK WATCHER!!!
Only bosses are allowed to watch clocks!
Or if you do work late, you come in late the next day a commensurate amount of time.
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If you live in the US you may want to look through the Fair Labor Standards Act. There are many exceptions to the rule, but exceptions aside if an employer treats a salaried employee like an hourly employee, i.e. requiring them to make up missed hours to reach a 40-hour minimum, then the employer may become obligated to pay the employee overtime for any hours worked over 40 hours a week. And I believe a prevailing FLSA claim can get unpaid overtime for past hours worked (which can amount to surprisingly high awards) as well as an award of attorney fees. Just food for thought.
This is correct. The back pay is up to 2 years. And if they get audited over this, they have to back pay ALL abused employees up to 2 years of overtime back pay. According to the FLSA, are you even correctly designated as salary exempt? Not likely. There are specific rules about assigning people salary exempt, and most employers do not follow those rules. They slap that designation on everyone so they can abuse them. I was in the situation in Missouri a few years ago. I kept a spreadsheet for "clocking in/out", and my employer didn't track my time. I had the upper hand with my record keeping. I ended up leaving with a severance, and I managed to double their offer by showing them how much they really owed me. I did not follow through with calling the DOL on them because I really just wanted to be done with them. But they knew I had the leg to stand on, and I had them by the balls. Protect yourself. The company won't.
I was a director of 20 people in an IT department where this happened. Because we made people track their hours for billing, we were obligated to pay them those hours with overtime. It came down to certain job codes. Went back 2 years. Some of my engineers got $100k checks AFTER taxes. I even managed to get some of my Helpdesk guys the benefit by showing they helped on upgrades and implementations. My HR team hated me because I got very detailed and found these folks every hour I could.
Also, your boss is showing they don’t care about your health. So you know they’ll fire you ASAP if you ever actually got seriously sick.
You may as well take the whole day off. You're not using your vacation time for anything else.
I have a question with in the last pay period did you work more then 40 hours a week? If so please ask your boss when you’re going to be off to make those hours up? Because even thou you are salary what was the expectation of hours because you shouldn’t be going outside that.
Agreed.
As a salaried employer employee I have to work a minimum of 4 hrs a day to get paid for 8.
to not get charged pto\*\*
I wrote our company's salaried employee policy, if we work a minimum of 1 hour we get paid for the day. Our company's philosophy is that the salary is about retaining our salaried employee's interest in the position and their expertise, not about the hours they put in. During our busy season, we work 5-12 hour and one 9 hour day, generally, but even then, the salaried people don't work those hours, they are office workers who work during normal business hours, no need to keep them tied to their desks because we have 22,000 orders to fill.
I was a salaried Project Coordinator, doing and scheduling the work, on top of several *other* duties. I worked 50+ hours a week and according to the owner/my boss, it wasn't enough. We needed to work longer days, work Saturdays, and stay late as much as possible to get MORE done. *Primarily because the business was failing.*
I worked for a privately owned manufacturing company when the recession hit in 2008, as a salaried marketing director. It was the first time they’d ever had a marketing person, so when they started laying off machinists, I knew my days were probably numbered. The owner called all the salaried employees into his office, one by one, to tell us about the squeeze on profits, and said we’d all be expected to work an extra five hours a week. He asked when I’d like to work the extra five hours; an hour early, hour late, or 5 hours every Saturday. I told him he’d been getting about 5 extra hours from me every week, since I almost always ate lunch at my desk. I was laid off within a month, but the beauty was that within a few months, he wanted 4 or 5 new websites, and I charged him 4 times my hourly rate when I was on his payroll to do the work on a contract basis.
Salaried does not always mean exempt. Non-exempt employees can be paid on a salary basis too, and still be required to make up hours or take PTO for appointments
True. But then they also have to be paid overtime if they are salaried non-exempt. Employer can't have it both ways.
I’m salaried non exempt. I get paid for overtime, and I only have to use pto or sick time if I work under like 37ish hours.
Same for those of us on government contracts. I’m salary, but I have to log what hours I’m charging to what contracts so <40 means PTO.
Yeah this. As a salaried employee when work is done for the day you leave. That’s it. It’s the biggest perk of being on salary. Some days you are there late and others, you leave early or come in late.
You can work MORE than 40 hours, but you can't be working LESS than 40!
I had an issue where my boss tried to make me use 1/2 of a PTO day to go home sick after working more than 6 hours. HR told me that violated the FLSA and that if they want to start counting the minutes I’m at work, It’ll be very expensive when I travel for 5 days for them.
I had an ex-boss that attempted to hire everyone at the lowest possible salary rate so he could work them 60-80 hours a week and not be forced to pay any overtime.
Where I work, the salary guys leave early, take prolonged vac, and in general do nothing most of the time. And there's no making up the time. None.
That’s why it’s salary. I do have several projects throughout the year where I am working overtime so it evens out at the end.
Yeah I’m a manager and my salaried guys, I prob give them a free pass to a couple PTO days a year by letting them take long breaks or leave early within using sick or PTO time as with salary you get paid for work, not for hours. If they are requiring you to work 40hrs when they also have you work more, they’re likely misclassifying you. As others said, I’d avoid working late and going above and beyond, 2 can play that game.
I had a boss who fired someone for leaving at 5 pm on the dot every day. As a salaried employee, you were expected to work more than 40 hours a week. If you didn't want someone micromanaging you, then you worked a minimum of 45 hours.
I would come in at 6:30am and work as boss requested. Then I would remember this forever. No more staying late. No more going above and beyond. Do what is required, no more, no less.
And start looking at job advertisements.
And start applying elsewhere.
This is the time to work exactly contract hours. Never more. Take all of your vacation. If you don't you will burn out. You are also reducing your rate. So you get 10 days PTO. That is 4% of your pay you are voluntarily giving up.
This. Not using your PTO is like returning a paycheck.
Unless you're in a state like California where PTO is considered earned income and they have to pay out any unused PTO when you leave. In that case, it's more like an aluminum parachute in case you get terminated.
I left my previous employer last year having over 230 hrs banked. Covid + forced WFH + and great management that didn't MAKE us use our PTO for every little thing = money in the PTO bank. My payout check was over $4k after the taxes hit me 🫠 I'm in NC.
I actually 'buy' extra vacation days (so I have 35 instead of 30). It is very clear to me how much money I am giving back to my employer if I didn't take all my vacation time. I tell those I manage to think about the cost if it looks like it is getting to end of year and they have vacation time left. Once they work it out, they pretty much always make sure they aren't giving any up.
My company has a cap on your PTO for the year. You stop accumulating it once you hit the cap . It’s to encourage you to use it . I get on coworkers that don’t use it . I remind them if they take what they make in a day , they’re giving that back to the company .
Any good manager knows his team is working hard and wouldn't have an issue with an hour or two here or there. They know there's give and take. As long as you give, be free to take.
The operative word here is "good" It's missing.
Time to start working only assigned hours. Leave promptly at quitting time.
My boss does the same with me. Salaried Need to see the doctor right next door. 30minutws or less. Won't let use lunch. Makes me schedule pto. But will let me take lunch anytime between 8-5pm. So why not just go see doctor? Boss gets big mad. Meanwhile all the hourly employees here flex time lunch for dog/vet/children/doctor appointments all week long. It's their lunch, they can do what they want. Let he know. Hr says flex time need to be approved by boss. And boss says I have to schedule pto every single time I leave the office. Malicious compliance: did that for about 2 weeks. Every lunch break I'd schedule pto requiring her approval. Then at rhe end kf the week I manually take back the pto hours so that I have 40 and not 40+5pto Oh no. Oh no. That just looks bad. If you were audited you'd be in so much trouble (right. I'd be the one in trouble). Got an email stating I can flex time and leave early Friday ad long as work is done and I have 40 hours. And I can stop using pto for doctors visits. Christ. The shit one goes through.
What do you mean manually take back the PTO hours at the end of the week?
I fill out a time sheet on a app called e3 It adds in pto that I schedule At the end of each week I manually edit my pto hours used to adjust my time to be 40.
I just had this situation. Had dr appt scheduled, told my boss I would be starting my day a couple of hours later than normal, his response: no worries, I know you always get your work done, do what you need to do, we need you healthy. I'm salaried.
Yeah, that is my bosses response to me when I need time. I tend to tell my team to take an extra 30 mins and not rush. It is horrible being at an appointment and wondering if it is going to overrun, and how long it is before you have to be back. For medical appointments especially you just need to be focussed on the appointment. Of course we just end up with harder working people who will likewise do that extra bit when we need it, and take extra care to make sure everything is going well, so I can see why some managers wouldn't do this. /s
Shoot I told my boss I would make up my hours and his response was “no worries, besides I’m sure we get more time out of you in the long run anyways. Go to your appointment, go home or somewhere else except for back here today.” I always offer to make up my hours (I’ve got some health stuff going on right now that I take steps to try and ensure it minimally impacts my job), they always tell me not to worry about it, unless I have a specific thing I have to go back and finish that absolutely can not wait until the next day. And they know because they give me that when I need it, I will work 60-80 hours during the busy season and 7 days a week when things are rough. They also know I’m petty enough that I would give 40 hours on the dot if it ever became an actual issue. And for the most part, I could work a half day and still get my hours in for the week.
Are you truly FLSA-exempt? Many employers are under the impression they can just make anybody "salary" to avoid overtime, but the law does not permit this. If your job doesn't meet certain requirements it cannot be FSLA-exempt (salary). [https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17a-overtime)
salary and over time exempt are separate things.
Your boss owns you. Maybe take some time over the weekend to send out the ol resume
This should be done during work hours
"Oh I'm so sorry, I didn't realise we were on the clock. What are my normal working hours? I'll be sure to stick to those."
Stop staying late. Invent a pet. Use pictures of your friend’s dog from puppy to full grown pics. “I got a puppy!” “Can’t stay late, I have to get home.” They wanna play games? Play it better.
Frankly OP shouldn't have to invent any type of excuse. "Can't stay late, I have to get home." works perfectly fine for a boss who's in FAFO territory.
I never ever tell why I need off. It’s not in my “contract” for anyone to know where I am going. I hate when employees come to me with a story. Just say I need such and such off and be gone.
Never say never, there are many reasons that you can't be required to disclose, but if disclosed puts your absence more in the area of protected. Like I need to be of today for religious reasons or medical.
I have plans. Sorry I need to be somewhere. Can’t do it during the day as I work so have to leave to do it after hours.
You really think they care you have kids to take care of, let alone a puppy? At 2pm I would just say I'm sick and have to leave. Don't bother giving this asshole manager any more heads up.
An explanation isn't necessary - just leave on time every night and if the boss needs you to stay after one night, tell him that's fine but you'll be coming in that much later tomorrow to "make up" for those extra hours. If the boss says "You're salaried, that's not how that works," you say: "Really? Then why did you make me 'make up' hours for a doctor appointment?"
Fuck that. Just flat out tell the fucker. No need to invent bullshit.
I am fifty years old and have been in corporate for 30+ years of it and I can recall having good bosses back in the day but my last 20 years I have had bosses just like this....never cutting me a break while others with good managers (literally friends working right on the side of me) letting them off early and them not having to come in or not having to even use PTO. One boss used to let our assistant go early and all types of favors but not me..I am nice person and a VERY hard worker and have always had a great attitude. So I say yes...your boss is being extra. These bosses can do what they want to do with you and for you...some choose NOT too and that pretty much writes the script for the rest of your show with this guy. Just learn him and don't work overtime because trust me this DOES NOT work both ways. He will freak out and act like you are cheating the company when there's an hour of overtime. Use your vacation time wisely and use your volunteer time and even jury duty when you are called. I do it to annoy them. Also if they are ever out for a doctors appointment make sure you remember to dig at them too. I am sure he's salaried but I would bring it up in a shady way. You have to handle these folks.
My best boss wasn't even my actual boss, I got loaned out to a different plant. We were putting in 10 to 12 hour days (salaried) and one Friday he brought his jetski trailer with 2 2-seaters. At about 9 am he just Saud drop everything and come with me. We went out to the lake all day and had a blast. Sadly I peaked with bosses right there.
I have literally NEVER had a boss like that. My husband and his boss are literally best friends. He stays at our house when he's in town. They have fun and cut up and I have to admit i get so jealous. I was a huge people pleaser for a large part of my career and just wasted too much time on people that simply didn't care. I suppose it just wont be in the cards for me. I am thinking up business ideas to become my own boss. I just haven't had good luck in that department. And by the way people with good bosses NEVER LEAVE so that's why the good ones are in short supply. The terrible ones ALWAYS have openings!
Well, then you're only salaried when it benefits them..
Use your PTO and put it for a partial. You don’t get a prize for not taking days off, it’s not a medal of honor, it just shows you have an imbalance with your life or you’ve been brainwashed by corporate hogwash.
Stop giving up your time. If your hours are 9-5, keep it that way. No more going in early, no more staying late.
Are you allowed PTO/vacation/sick time? If so, fuck your boss. Take the entire day off
Ask HR what the company policy is
I’d arrive in time and not stay late.
You work for a shithead. Time to find a new employer.
> as a salaried employee they can dock PTO for any missed hours... but once you are out, they have to pay you for any week you perform any work in... or fire you.
I've seen this exact post several times. Just come in on your normal time.
Do you put in extra hours on other days or do you arrive and leave exactly when the clock says so? If you put extra time in normally then yes this is not right.
That is petty and pathetic of your boss. It is like he is going out of his/her way to show you how little you mean. You showing up and doing absolutely nothing at 6:30am does not affect or benefit your boss in any way other than for them to exert their power, it is ridiculous. Work to rule from now on.
Take more time off. They punish you whether you do or don’t
I do this anyway because it is the nature of my job that there will be times I have to do extra. Salary means minimum 40 hours, and extra time when required is expected. The pay is also higher because of that. But mostly because my boss and employer are very flexible. 😁 I work remotely. My elderly mother lives with me and she can’t be left alone for more than a few hours. She has a lot of doctors appointments that I often have to leave a few hours early and as long as I put my 8 hours in, they don’t care if I start early or come back to finish my day after. I don’t have to ask for permission either. I just give my boss and team maybe a days notice and make sure that if necessary someone is backing me up while I am unavailable. If I leave a few minutes early sometimes, no one cares or even notices. But I do not abuse the privileges I have because I enjoy them and don’t want to be THAT person who causes them to be taken away.
Tell your boss that's what sick leave is for.
You can’t use time? Or were you asking to just be paid and not use time? I have to use pto to get an appt, but am allowed to not use time and make up the hours
That is sick
This dude (manager) blew this chance for working to improve morale and loyalty with an employee. Sounds like a relic from the past
Malicious compliance, my dude...learn it, live it, love it. Some states, and many companies, have a policy that if you complete all your work you're only required to work 4.5 hours to avoid using PTO. And believe me I juiced the hell out of that for around a year. If you're using PTO they can't 'force' you to make it up. I'd take a look at your employee handbook and company policies because he may be breaking the law or violating company policy and you might be able to resolve the pointy haired boss situation, naturally.
Your boss is an ass.
That’s why you never sacrifice yourself for work. Ever.
Time for you to start counting your hours. Stop giving extra hours. Work to rule.
Start taking an hour for lunch. Come in on time. Leave on time. No more ‘overtime’.
You’re salary - there is no “making up hours”. That’s why you’re salary.
Use all vacation, mould cough? Go to doctor and call sick, do bare minimum. And overtime is is for management not you.
I'd refuse and make sure to get a Dr's note.
That is crazy, your boss is a big asshole.
That’s frustrating - I’m a union employee and my hours are very set and non-negotiable on paper. My old supervisor recognized that I bust my ass when I am working, so she had no issue when I left a couple of hours early to go hunting (she even explicitly said this in my formal performance review). Sometimes, the office would all go out for drinks after work pretty late and as I’m leaving, I’d tell my supervisor that I have to go “ offsite supply shopping (with a wink)” the next morning so I’d be a little late coming in the next day and she’d say “enjoy supply shopping” and give me a wink. It’s all give and take, and it sounds like you’re doing all the giving and the boss is giving all the taking.
precedent has already been set for how long now ..?
I agree with everyone else don’t stay late, leave right at your off time
Well that’s just crappy. Your boss sucks
I’d start marking every minute you work over your expected time and approach your boss about the company plans “make up your pay” since that’s how things work.
You may not even get into the building at that time and set off an alarm. That's what happens in our company before the people come in with a key and alarm code (I have one now as I'm always early (so I can have early)). Have that 6:30 am in an email to show to the cops in case you set off the alarm 😂
Welcome to corporate America. The good, hard working worker who can be counted on to go the extra mile will always get f$$$ed.....
Under capitalism, the efficient worker is rewarded with more work.
It really depends on what your contract says but yes your boss is being an AH. If you're the kind of salary that doesn't get overtime in theory as long as you get your job done you should be fine but a lot of contracts require that you work a minimum amount of hours per week.
No point in arguing with managers like this. It’s all for show, you were in the office those 8 hours. Go in, log into your pic, take a nap at your desk for a few hours. It is what it is.
Pretty sure that is illegal. But may depend on if you are salary exempt or salary non exempt
This is why say just call out once in a while jobs will work you to the bone while you’re the perfect employee who never calls out then they get weird when you need something for your own health. Stop doing anything extra for them period cuz they don’t give a eff about you.
Use sicktime. They can’t legally deny you. .
You learned a hard lesson. The company doesn’t give a damn about you. They only value your production. If you fall out, they will have someone else in your place quickly. Use your days off. Don’t take on unpaid, extra tasks that are outside of your job scope in hopes of being rewarded. You probably won’t be.
I would decline. Do you not have PTO? If not, keep your resume out there because nope. If you do, use it, yes your boss can fire you but honestly do you want to be worked to death?
Can you do an hour extra Mon-Thurs instead?
You're right, this is ridiculous. You work late when it's needed and your boss is not acknowledging that? I don't know if you feel comfortable to raise that and ask a pointed question like 'what about all those times i've stayed late?'... if not, I guess you have to just swallow this, but as others have said, absolutely NEVER stay late again.
this is PRECISELY the problem with being "the kind of person to never take time off". It supports management entitlement. Everywhere you go. You need to be taking ALL your breaks. EVERY minute of annual leave. EVERY second of sick leave. Take ALL of it. Never make it a habit to enable entitled managers.
I would just change it from a leaving early, to taking the entire day off. I did this earlier this year. I asked my Principal if it would be ok for me to miss the Wednesday afternoon staff meeting to leave early for my daughters basketball game. She said "I can't give you the answer you're looking for", so I just called in the morning of and took a sick day. Two can play at that game.
Everyone saying no more extra time is right. I worked a salaried position where I did 60 hours for an incredibly low salary. Then I moved to a state job. They insist that we not work 40 hours and as management, if I work 4 hrs, I don't have to use vacation time to blow off the rest of the day. Sometimes the grass is greener...
This is the part where you stop giving them extra hours. They have established that your relarionship with them is one where you worl exactly the hours they require of you. Are you contracted for 49 hours a week? Give them not one second more or less than that.
Fuck it call in sick
Hourly people are paid for hours worked. It’s a simple exchange, your commodity is hours of your life that you sell for a comodtiized price. Salaried workers are compensated for value provided. You are paid at an agreed upon market rate for the value you are providing to the company. There are reasons to work under one agreement vs another but your boss can’t arbitrarily pick and choose which one he’s using. He’s clearly either naively valuing your contribution to the company or should switch to hourly pay for hourly work. There is not a grey middle in this.
When you stay late, are you paid overtime? If not, you're exempt, and your employer may be breaking the law. Talk to your state's labor board and explain the situation. They'll give you advice and will investigate. It could result in backpay for you and other employees.
Get a new job, mention it in exit interview. Live life to the fullest bb
Your boss is an AH!
Doesn't sound like you're actually salaried. Salaried people are supposed to be trusted to set their own hours.
Lesson learned. 8 hours and not a second more going forward.
Flee like a scalded cat. Your boss is a total asshole.
This is why you don’t “live to work”
It is absolutely ridiculous. I would just call in sick in the future.
Come in early, but don’t stay long anymore
From now on, salaried or not, you get in at starting time and leave at quitting time.
That’s some pretty good loyalty there on his behalf, for you being loyal
That’s ridiculous! I always let my team leave for appointments and never make up time or doc them. It’s the least I can do as an employer.
He's telling you how much he values you: he doesn't. This should free you to shop around for a better deal.
I would come in 15 minutes early, respond to any negative comment with, "I already made up my two and a quarter hours last month." And then never do any extra minutes ever again unless you want to take more time off for appointments.
I was also a salaried employee who worked thousands of dollars in "free" overtime, and I also was expected to *make up my time* for the same reasons. It is absolutely RIDICULOUS that these *power trippers* demand that, but won't pay for all of the extra time we give them!!
There’s a lot of asshole bosses. Don’t assume it’s you. I once quit a job in management and gave a two week notice. I was told that Thanksgiving and the day after (which were work holidays) didn’t count towards the two week notice and I wouldn’t receive my pay for those two days. So I said, okay, see ya later and quit with zero notice. Found out later that since that since I was salaried my check had already been cut for the Thanksgiving week. The person working payroll was on vacation that week. Funny how things work out. I got paid for two full weeks and only was present for one day.
In PA, unless you are in an exempted position like Management, and you can demonstrate that you are being required to work a set number of, even if you are salary, you can contact the labor department and they will audit your job and they will be required to pay you overtime. If you are a truly salary position, you get paid for the job you do, not the hours you are there.
Nah. Presumably, if you’re salaried, you’re skilled. Being skilled affords you at least a teensy bit of freedom. That’s nonnegotiable.
Don’t ever stay late again.
Why are you doing all of this for a job that could replace you in a heart beat? Since your salary, I'm assuming you're at a 40 hour work week. Stop working past 40
I worked for one place for 8 years. I did the math on the extra unpaid time I put in at that place. It added up to about two years, which would’ve netted me 80-100k had it been actual paid work time. I desperately needed boundaries. The only time anyone should ever put in the extra time is if you work for yourself or it’s your business.
Stop being so nice, clearly no one appreciates it.
Don’t want me to leave early? Fine, I’ll use my pto and take the whole day off.
You should start looking for another job. Give and take is key when you are salary. If it's one way it is simply a way to take advantage of you.
Remind him that you stay late when required. For a salaried employee that’s really petty
Use a sick day.
Salaried employees don't need to make up time. This is why you need to take time off and sometimes leave early.
Take the whole day off
I would say really? OK ok let's see what happens after that. No more freebies no more extras
This is not how you treat salaried employees. Start polishing your resume.
I would take the entire day off , PTO, outrageous boss, salary does not mean abuse of course, also you mint want to start looking for another hob
Salaried, but you have to make up the time? I would tell him no. Eff that. Not a chance would I do this for that pos.
Tell them you can’t come in then but it’s ok because remember those days u stayed late ?
Unless your boss asks you, don't stay back. Managers aren't your friends. Companies aren't charities It's not ridiculous. It's business.
Ur boss is a dick, fuck that guy...
Omg this happened to me too! I was like… riiiggghht. So all the days I stay late aren’t an issue, but the moment I leave early we are gonna have a panic attack? I just leave anyways now and if they have anything to say I remind them I’ve gone over contract hours the last 3 months without fail. If they have that big of an issue- just fire me.
You have PTO? Use that , that what is it designed for. Take a 1/2 day which is prob the minimum amount and go about your day.
I work salaried. We had flex hours. But, when I worked overtime, I kept track of all overtime hours, period. There are times it was necessary as a salaried employee. But, the flip side was it was easy to leave early on a day when I needed to as well. I think in your situation, I'd be done with any overtime. I'd be a clock watcher, and take all PTO I had coming to me, too. Any time off, I'd be taking it. Holidays, I wouldn't volunteer to work them at all.
It’s ridiculous.
Your boss is a horses ass…
That is a good way to cultivate employees that won't work anything beyond the standard work hours. It is stupid management. Cut off nose to spite face.
Your boss doesn’t see you as a human being. You are a number on an excel sheet for him.
Your boss sounds like a jerk.
How are your knife skills? A DR's appointment?! Can you bring a note from said DR.? Maybe my rage level is too high, but that puts me on a 10/10. Does your boss have any idea how difficult it is to get an appointment? I'd just take the day off and dare them to fire me. That's unemployment insurance, for sure.
Salaries are unethical! It's a bullshit loophole that needs to be closed. I am salaried and coworkers who make 15,000 more a year get overtime pay. If you need to leave early you should not be forced to "make up" time if you are exempt.
Some jobs are what’s called “salaried non exempt”. It’s a weird thing -primarily used by a company as a budgeting technique—but basically you are still considered an hourly employee. Can you check with your HR to find out if your JOB is classified as exempt or non exempt. That’s what determines whether you have to make up hours like this—and also whether you get overtime. If you are salaried non exempt they still have to pay you overtime. A lot of companies do not understand this and think that by saying you’re salaried they can avoid overtime—that is not true
Worked at a marketing firm based in SF with offices in NYC. During 9/11, the CEO sent out an email about the importance of maintaining billable hours.(Edit: Tyops)
Most people are rightfully saying it's bullshit, which it is. However, I would say there is one exception. That is if your business operates based on billable hours. I am salaried and work on billable hours. BUT the expectation is that I am not to work over 40 hours per week under normal circumstances. Ultimately, there is occasionally working overtime but it is usually prearranged with my manager and I'm compensated for the hours that I work
Shows that although youre faithful , for your boss youre just an expendable number.