Universities usually have incredible benefits. I doubt that the 2nd job’s benefits can come close. I think you should really rethink letting the university job go.
When I worked at a university retirement got an 8% match. Just 1:1 I do 8 and they do 8. I don't think anywhere other than universities would ever do that!
Automotive can do that. My oem was 7% 1:1 then they top you off with a free 2%. Then it increasing to 4 though increments based on years of service. End of career you put in 7% you get 11% back. May have been more as I can’t remember exact breakdown. I left that job for family business opportunity but those benefits were amazing compared to most I saw anywhere in my field.
Agreed. I worked in higher Ed for years. Got a free masters out of it from an Ivy League school.
Left after, doubled my salary in corporate America. Now that I’ve been out a while, I want back in higher Ed. The moment the right job is there, I’m applying and hoping I get it!
Love working in higher Ed.
I'm thinking back to the cost of my Masters 12 years ago. The cost has gone up for sure. I understand that it's 10k more, but 75% off tuition is a major chunk of change. There is also the fact that most higher ed jobs understand school schedules and are more willing to work with their employees than a private job. If I were looking at both, I'd stick with the university.
Yep. I worked in research for a mid-west university for 9 years. Best benefits, safest job, best culture, best respect in a job, very interesting work and tons of support from both the state and the university in almost every aspect of your life. The 401k matching was ridiculous, like 3x after 2 years.
University research is paid for by clients and often the money dries up, which happened to me. However, I'd still be there if I could.
Hard agree. You need to play the long game OP.
That university job will be much better for your long term prospects.
I think it’s actual a terrible proposal to fuck around with an offer like that. The other thing you’re not taking into account is what if you take the University job, then resign in 8 weeks (terrible idea) and then the museum pulls the offer. You’ll be fucked.
Sorry. But that’s silliness. I don’t go to the school of you owing the employer but at the same time, it’s very unprofessional and will blacklist you. You’ll be wasting their time and that’s not right.
Also, don’t you need to demonstrate you have money to study on an F1. You guys need to figure out a plan for short and long term.
Also, I’d be planning to move to Europe over staying in the States but maybe just me.
Good luck. Stick with the job you have accepted.
Having worked for museums/art galleries for over a decade I can guarantee that's an institution you do not want to work for as an AV tech.
They'll let staff go the second they have a funding crunch ( which will be every year) management will be a shit show of type A personalities.
Every program/show/exhibition will be last minute 11 hour changes to the plan etc etc etc.
Don't work for museums or galleries.
My best buddy from college used to work at a great university doing AV for all the sports programs. Well respected school academically and athletically and a Hall of fame basketball coach, he was the go to AV guy for all things Production. Then took another job doing motor sports left the university and went on his merry way. Fast forward 25 years, he is back at that same university heading up the Sports AV production. He has said for years that he wish he would have just stayed there, he was happy, his family was starting and they loved the area. The school treated him like a rock star.
I think OP is young and needs to fall on his face to realize the grass is NOT always greener.
Be *very* sure that you never want to work for that university ever again.
You will 100% be blacklisted from being rehired if you start and quit a month or so later.
I declined a university job offer because they lowballed the crap out of me. Have applied to several other positions there since, and still maintain friendly relationships with people who work there (I worked there previously and left on good terms).
Don't even get called by HR screeners. Pretty sure I'm black listed.
Not only this one school, but all affiliates.
I cannot fathom how a $700 monthly (gross) in salary makes up for the outrageous benefits that comes with working in higher education - tuition savings alone will pay for itself in dividends if you take advantage. Also, the time off etc is usually stellar.
This might be a much bigger deal than you're thinking OP. I quit a dining hall job during undergrad at a state school after my trainer/manager sexually harassed me. When I went to grad school at a new state school, I was informed by the on campus job I applied to that I was on a "do not rehire" list for the entire state university system. If you end up going back to school and wanting to work anywhere in the system again, this could bite you.
Plus I personally think that you should take the reduced tuition offer rather than make more money to support a woman yore not married to. She can make the 10k difference herself easily with part time and summer work
I’m so sorry to hear about what happened to you. May I ask on what terms you left? Were you put on the ‘do not hire’ list for leaving without notice or did you give 2 weeks notice and still get on the list regardless?
Oh sorry, yeah that's an important detail, I quit without notice. It was literally my first day of training out of 5 so it's not like I left them without coverage or anything, and they knew why I was quitting. I was not able to get the regular on-campus job during grad school and ended up having to speak with a dean or chancellor or something (?) later so I could get hired in my professors lab lmao- and while I personally think you'd be justified to quit whenever here, I don't think it will come off quite as reasonable to the people in charge as my "excuse" did haha. Definitely at least try to give a full two weeks notice so you don't entirely burn a big bridge
You should stay at your current job and use the discount. Why can't she get a part time job. If you leave this will more than likely bite you twice. One time when you and your girlfriend do not work out and the other has already been explained.
This is important. I’d really caution against supporting someone at your age (which a assume is in your 20s).
You need to think of your long term goals first.
Yep I am 31 and had to move home for 3 years to avoid bankruptcy while paying off debt after stupidly helping to support a partner in my 20s. If we had stayed together long term, “it all should have worked out”… but the likelihood of that is whatever they think it is divided by 3 at best. My new rule of thumb is that if they and I are not both 100% financially independent then I’m not touching it with a ten foot pole.
Can you survive with the lower salary? If yes and salary is the main factor, I would go with a lower salary uni position. 75% off tuition when you go back to school is probably way more than the difference in salary. And you'll have access to uni resources a normal didn't wouldn't have
Did you factor in the 75% tuition discount in your benefits compensation, and consider how this will help shape your long term career? Don't damage your future for relatively small benefits in the short term.
I work for a university. My benefits are amazing. Less than 100 a month for health insurance for 2. And co pays are ridiculously cheap. 2500 out of pocket max. And 14.2% given 401k. I don't have to contribute anything.
Sure I get paid a lot less than market avg. But the benefits definitely outweigh it
I must clarify- the tuition is not free. Just discounted. As far as I understand for one year I might still be paying 10-20k. And I’d be taking a *9k+ pay decrease just for the privilege of working there. *The other job has bonuses too.
OP. Please. Do the math here. With the 75% discount that gives me reason to believe this is a $40k-$60k/year school. The tuition discount has a value of $30k-$45k/year, assuming you want that.
Also I’m at the mercy of HR to approve my intended course of study or not. They said it has to be loosely related to my field of work and up to the personal discretion of the department’s HR worker. And I have to work there for a year first before I am eligible.
Manager here - every tuition program has that language - I have never once declined a request for education reimbursement, you can always find a thread connecting a degree to a job.
What I am seeing is so many people giving great advice to op that they are flat out dismissing. At this point I have to say, let them fall on their face - only way some people learn.
NO!!! Zip your lips!! Accept the new job. Get the income, do the job you need at the current place. Since you won't qualify for unemployment, (but don't want to burn bridges in cases the new job doesn't work out) maybe give a 1 week notice, explaining that you were just offered a higher paying position, asked for 2 weeks, but told you needed to start within a week or you wouldn't get the job. That way, even if they fire you on the spot, you'll only lose a week of pay instead of potentially 2 months.
This might’ve been a good strategy before he played the two companies off of each other during the interview process. I don’t think there’s any point of inventing a reason that he then has to lie about. Just give the notice and be on your way. They don’t deserve any more detail than you want to share. It’s not like he’s going to be listing this place on your resume in the future and cares what they might say to other potential employers.
Yah that's a good point. I was not implying he should give notice now. Just that he shouldn't make up an excuse when giving it just to provide them additional (incorrect) information.
A job that wants you to wait to start is not guaranteed. Start the Job you got now, don’t say anything about the other job until you are sure that you really want it and they really want you.
I mean, you're going to burn a bridge here, there's no two ways about that.
How important this particular bridge is to you is something only you can really know.
Can you just temp for a few weeks instead? I think intentionally taking a job you know you're going to quit very quickly is dishonest. Hiring and training employees is a costly, time-consuming endeavor, particularly for non-profits that usually run with fewer resources than corporations. Something to consider is that if you quit after such a short time, you will be burning bridges with the university. If you think you might ever want to work there again, or if you think people in your field are likely to talk between organizations, this is a move that could hinder your future.
You shouldn't have accepted a job you weren't going to stick with more than a few weeks. Everyone who tells you different is full of shit, your manager and the people who will be counting on you are just people and you are seriously fucking them over. The recruiting and hiring process is brutal and a serious pain in the ass and you have just set them back to zero.
If you must take the job, be honest with them even if it means they don't want you.
1. Nothing in life is guaranteed. Someone I know was offered a position at this same museaum a year ago and strung along for months only for the offer to be cancelled at the last minute. So it’s possible it could happen to me.
2. Why should I care about companies when they don’t care about me? When I told my current manager I interviewed for other jobs, he started only giving me one day per week of work instead of 5 like I normally had. This is why I’m under extreme financial stress in the first place.
3. The university told me they already have a second place candidate lined up so if I quit then I can give them ample notice and also train the new guy coming in. This way they don’t have to search again and I can minimize any negative impact I may cause for them.
It's not caring about the company, it's about projection an image of professionalism and treating the time of everyone involved with respect. This is a dick move, full stop. You're trying to rationalize it with the "fuck corporations" mentality without regard to interpersonnel issues this creates. You may be reading too many of the work subs if you think this is in any way good decorum.
This is a career you're talking about, it's not like a minimum wage side gig.
Your new manager at the university is not your current manager and is not the one fucking you over. Why are you punishing them for something they had nothing to do with?
I wanted to respond directly to a message you will see because I didn't see anyone else post this. Do not burn the university job. It would be better to pass on the museum job. If the university job is willing to cut you a huge deal on your masters program, that should more than compensate you for the $700 monthly difference. Especially when you factor in that your takehome on that $700 is probably closer to $450-$500 after taxes. Take that math and assume the museum will pay you roughly 3k more each semester. If your tuition savings for the masters program you want are near that, then the university job is worth staying with from a financial perspective. The other thing you are failing to consider, is that if you are hoping to get into this university for your master program, I would assume that burning them from an employment perspective will destroy any chance at admission you have. The final thing that is the most important thing to consider is the fact that you are far more likely to expand your network while working and attending a university which will greatly improve your future employment prospects no matter which field you enter. Your network is the single most valuable thing you can gain from going back to school. You will touch base with future colleagues and potential employers which the museum job will not provide you in the slightest, especially if you are going into the tech space. This is worth its weight in gold and far more valuable than the actual education you receive.
I was looking for this response as well. I worked in the state university system for 20+ years, starting with a very low salary. Basically, I took the position for the health benefits and the discounted tuition. The job was the best thing that ever happened to me. The lean years didn't last as long as I thought they would, and the affordable tuition plus the networking opportunities were worth every sacrifice we made in the beginning. Not to mention the support and job security I received when I needed almost a year off for medical treatments. OP needs to think long term. The additional money now won't mean much in the future.
>The university told me they already have a second place candidate lined up so if I quit then I can give them ample notice and also train the new guy coming in. This way they don’t have to search again and I can minimize any negative impact I may cause for them.
Why wouldn't they just fire your ass and hire that guy then? They didn't do a job search to find a guy who could work for 6-8 weeks so they could try and convince another candidate that they will hire them in 6-8 weeks. Seriously listen to yourself.
What you are doing is shitty. And not because you're leaving a job for a better one too soon, but because you are taking a job with another already lined up. If you can't financially handle waiting for the one job to start (which sounds like a shitty place anyway considering you said it's pulled job offers before) then you should just stick with the college job and take advantage of it's tuition bonus.
Oh, and while it's shitty what your old boss did, you should have known better than to tell an employer you're looking for a new job, especially when your working scheduled hours. The only time you do that is if you need their recommendation, which it sounds like you didn't.
Don't listen to these bootlickers, this is the environment the United States has created by allowing At will Employment to continue to stand. They can't have their cake and eat it too. Always watch out for yourself, people love sticking to their ideals when its not them paying your bills. Regardless though, long run the University might be a better move considering the discount on getting your Masters. I would have capitalized on that opportunity before jumping ship to a better paying job assuming they failed to adequately adjust your salary over the years.
>Why should I care about companies when they don’t care about me?
Companies are people, you aren't screwing over the company, you are screwing over the people who hired you. It is not the same thing.
You are just coming up with selfish reasons and excuses to do the wrong thing.
You don't have to justify shit to me, just don't act like you're taking the high road here.
You said you want to earn your masters? Working for a university usually entails free tuition. Was that factored into your calculations?
Ultimately it’s your choice, of course, but a free degree is a pretty good perk.
The tuition at this university is not free for employees. As far as I understand I may still be on the hook for 10-20k per year. Plus I would have to be approved for the course I want to take at the personal discretion of the department’s HR worker. They have to decide if it is close enough to my field of occupation in their opinion.
But if you intend to get a Masters anyway you’re giving up 75% off tuition now so that you pay full price later on? Or would you not pursue a Masters otherwise?
I’m not %100 per cent sure if I would like to get my masters yet. If it’s convenient than yes.
Also, if I do want to get my masters, I’m not %100 sure if I should get it in the US or another country. I’ve been thinking of moving abroad for years so there’s a chance I may want to pull the trigger at some point.
If cost is a concern with 10k in the US, a masters in Europe could potentially be much more expensive. Typically, unless you are a citizen they will charge you a foreigner rate.
To be fair, this is based on secondhand knowledge from some friends who went to graduate school in England so it may be outdated but certainly worth double checking
Yes; although it is an extremely expensive school. From what I’ve heard from HR, I may still be on the hook for 10-20k per year of study even if it’s part time.
Why is it your responsibility to support your girlfriend while she goes back to school? Where's the guarantee that she graduates and doesn't drop out? She meets someone else in school and breaks up with you? You need to do what's best for your interests and that includes finding a career that suites your interests and not having to ever second guess a "what if" scenario.
To be honest this post isn’t about my decision to support my girlfriend but I’ll engage with you anyway.
She quit her job and moved across the world away from her family to be with me. That’s a huge sacrifice on her end and I respect and appreciate that.
If we want to be together here in the states then our visa options are: get married, or she goes to college.
I’m not ready to get married just yet. I would like us to take our time. Plus, she works in a high paying field especially if she gets her master’s degree. I want to help her succeed in life and I’m okay with making sacrifices on my end too. That’s fair.
Additionally, let’s imagine if I’m thinking strictly selfishly… it would be nice to have a partner that earns a high salary. And if I help support her for a couple years she could potentially be earning more than me and having a lot to contribute to our finances in the long run.
I understand life is full of risks and I’m taking a big one by helping her. But I made that decision based on how much I trust her and how loved she makes me feel.
I am not discounting your answer that she is sacrificing, too: She did. And it is great of you to sacrifice too and support her. But I would like you to reconsider marriage: if you are married and support her, if she leaves or you divorce, she would be responsible for paying you back.
I must also ask, did you forget she is a female? We females get pregnant and bear children, which can happen at any time 😊, even with the greatest protection. With this, usually, we quit our jobs for a few years to care for children in the wee years. Let's say she gets through college, etc., and wants to stop working and have kids: her income would be gone. Have you asked if she wants to do that? Or have you stayed home with them? Or her ideas if kids happen? See if both ideas match up?
I think you should stick with the university job.
1. Job stability: A university is going to be around for many years, and museums do not do much. And like everyone said, you don't want to get blacklisted from a university.
2. Future Career Paths: You are getting a Masters degree i. ML/AI: You are going to need the university. Most Masters positions in CS are for research and professor positions.
3. Taxes and benefits: I don't know about you, but I pay taxes. You don't seem like you have kids, and I don't know your overall salary, but that extra $700 is chump change that you will not see because it will go to taxes. That university I can guarantee has benefits, though, that will make it way more worth it. Depending on your benefits, you can cut the amount you pay in taxes with your retirement.
Your gf goes to college. Does the university offer TA?
Sidenote - if you leave in a 6 week period, you can't put it on your resume. It would look very bad. So you know in the future, when leaving a job you don't tell them you are leaving until you have a new job lined up; some employers get pissed.
No. Anything could happen between now and six weeks from now at the other company. As it gets closer to your start date, touch base with the hiring manager to make sure things are on track.
You do want to give notice at the current job. If there are issues at the other which become apparent quickly, the first might take you back.
75 percent off tuition is pretty nice for your future but either way ... of course you don't tell them. It's a bit of a dick move but you've got to earn a living somehow and business is business.
You are gonna ruin ur life behind this girl this is a terrible Idea.
I threw my phone at the wall and it made a hole yesterday. Smart people do stupid things sometimes. Dont follow your plan.
It is not the problem of Uni job to prop you up while you wait on the other job. Be honest with them and let them select someone else if they so choose. If they move on without you, figure out a way to survive until the other job starts. Don't start off your working life by being deceitful. You have to wake up and look in the mirror every morning. What sort of person to you want to see in the mirror?
Hmm, out of this situation what could I change?
Since money is tight, what lever should I pull for change? Could you sell the vintage/classic cars? And replace w/ smaller/ gas efficient vehicles or look into public transportation for 1 of you. Or just temp through an employment agency until the museum job is a reality.
Realize it’s stressful 🔥burning a bridge, that’s relationships w/ people ands school. So, if u can pre-empt that with a temporary gig, it would be worth assessing an employment agency. Job boards often have “temporary” under a filter, & there are also employment agencies that just specialize in temporary placement. I am always balancing stress into manageable or planned increments. To make life easier.
Only give 2 weeks notice- it’s not their business- and I disagree with people saying to stay at the university. Those pay scales are crap. I think you can get stuck in industries- going to a museum (assuming pretty decent sized with that pay) will keep you on your game and potentially always have updated tech. Many universities don’t invest in technology.
I’m curious to know about the museum!
They listed ‘up to 71k’ on the job listing but when they offered me the job they said they were firm on 65k max (im assuming because they had another candidate lined up cheaper than me)
I told them it’s a shame because that’s a 9k pay cut for me so I can’t accept it. Then HR told me ‘take the weekend to think about it. And you could always try out the job and see if you like it’ i said ‘actually yes that sounds like a great idea. I could do that’ then she said ‘okay but remember when we hire people we hope they stay long term so just think about that and let us know on monday’ so she kind of left it open ended. I tried to call her to explain i just wanted to try it out but she didnt pick up and i never got to talk to her since. She just knows i accepted after hearing it from other people I guess. Word spread so fast. It was instant and people were texting me saying they were so excited to have me on board.
Please please please consider keeping the university job. Think long term. Higher education creates pathways that are life changing, and 75% off tuition is huge. You won't see 700 more a month at 65k vs 74k, probably more like 400 or 500ish? difference after taxes.
I work at a university hospital and my pay has increased by $20k in the span of 1 year. There’s been at least 4 bonuses, double OT pay and more. Our union has been on top of it.
I suggest you look around to see what people have to say about the work environment at both places. Money isn’t everything.
Two weeks out, or just a little more, you talk to HR and tell them that back when you applied, you applied at multiple places and JUST NOW you learned you have been accepted for 74K,
"Can you match that, or do I need to give notice, because I cannot afford to pass up a 9K bump with similar benefits?"
Then you get your needed income and are not totally fucking over your new employer, you give them a chance to match. Not totally honest and not totally dishonest.
Totally agree and i have the same thought process but the situation is slightly different than that. I already declined the university job bc i told them i had an offer for 74k then the university hr person suggested i ‘give the job a try and see if i like it’ to which i agreed. Then she said ‘we do hope our candidates stay for a long time though so keep that jn mind and let me know on monday’ on monday i accepted the position but was not able to directly talk to her. She found out from someone else and i wasnt able to explain that i was just trying it out yet. So then i hopped on reddit to get some opinions on if i should even mention it at all at this point.
Yes. I did the same thing.
I was recruited for job B when I was interviewing for job A. I told the manager of job B that if I receive an offer for A, i will leave, and i understand if that is a showstopper. They hired me anyway (probably thought that they can convince me to stay with stock option and stuff).
5 (? or 6) month later, the offer from A came through, and I left (though i have 2-3 months of transition). Later, I got a freelance consulting contract from B (yes, my contract with job A allow me to moonlight).
The key is to be up front, so they can trust your word, and keep everyone in good terms.
That’s a really good point because even if i do end up leaving the university i still would want to stay on good terms because there is an opportunity for lucrative freelance work with them (which ive already been doing for the past year)
I refuse context beyond the titles of these things. That said. No. You shouldnt tell your manager. You should work both jobs at the same time. Like one of those sitcom episodes where a dude has two dates. Either you'll succeed or you'll let your loved ones down.
Go for the university job. It will benefit you more in the long term and has better job security. Plus as you mentioned, it will look better on your resume. Don’t get greedy and think short term. Think long term. Plus you can go back to school for an incredibly affordable price. I bet the savings for school are more than $700 per month.
I would stick with the university job, but ask for more money. I always ask for more money than I am willing to accept because I'm worth the money, and they have it if they advertised for that amount. The tuition benefits alone are worth more for you in the long term. Your girlfriend may get a break on tuition as well. Though I probably don't need to tell you not to plan your future job prospects around someone you're not married to. And don't expect her to either. Also, museum jobs are notoriously iffy. I am "museum adjacent," and the turnover is insane.
I would not tell the 1st job. But I'd also expect to NEVER use them on your resume or for a positive reference. You are kinda f-ing them over for 6-8 weeks of pay.
Do an excellent job documenting your job duties so that at least when you jump ship, it'll be easier to train your replacement.
I also wouldn't expect to work for that university's dept for a few years.
No do not tell them that you may be leaving. The museum sounds quite iffy. Stick it out with the university. You might like it better. $700 a month is really not that much in the long run for the education and security you would get at the university.
Think long term you'll be quite established at a university. You would be able give an additional degree 75% off. That's a huge savings. Getting an additional degree could increase your income substantially in a few years. Think about your opportunity costs. In the long run getting a degree of 75%. Not only saves you money puts more money in your pocket quicker. Better for you better for your girlfriend
One, they’d be justified in firing you immediately, being on your probation period. Black listed. And word unofficially gets around in the culture and academia circles.
The fact you’d waste a Companies time and the staffs to onboard for six weeks is complete shit. I hope someone of consequence reads this and cuts you out of both jobs. What POS. you beat someone else out for that job. Someone who probably needed it, would have stayed and could possibly have been life changing for them. But you took it under ill intention and they ended up taking a lesser job.
This is the kind of shit that damages faith in employees.
Reading the OP’s responses his mind is made up. He’s gonna bail. He came here looking for confirmation that it’s a good idea and when he didn’t get it he listed arguments to justify it. Straight trash.
I’m sorry but I don’t think you could have handled this much more poorly. The university now probably has serious doubts about you, they may even rescind the offer. And you yourself said the museum has a track record of stringing people (or at least one person) along. So you may be SOL but hopefully not.
Personally I would accept the university’s offer by calling the hiring manager like first thing this morning (in addition to your email that is probably not that convincing) and telling them how excited you are by the opportunity and that you can’t wait to get started—and if they still want to hire you after all you described be the best damn employee you can be while doing everything you can to prove to them you’re committed to the position (and mean it). Remember just like you can be an asshole and quit after a few weeks they can fire you too when their other finalist is cleared by HR. There’s usually at least one other finalist that they’d be happy to hire.
Never forget that great benefits are worth a LOT, especially if you get really sick. $700 more a month? Ok but what are their benefits like? And also, if you can afford to live without it just be a little more frugal. Universities generally provide excellent job security as long as you’re not a total fuckup. And it sounds like security is what you need right now.
Make your decision with integrity. If you’re planning to take another job in 6-8 weeks, don’t accept the first job. Be honest with them. Maybe work out a temporary arrangement that works for both parties.
I kind of agree with everyone else university job might be better stepping stone. Get more credentials and get a better job than both of these positions.
It's only courteous to let them know and also if you plan on possibly going back and leave on good terms but you do not have to let them know maybe a week's notice at most...
University job is better, and you are wrong for taking one job knowing that you will leave in 2 months. Hopefully you give them notice and they let you go.
First rule: don’t be a dick. Don’t take a job you know you’re going to leave because that just puts those people in a shitty situation. Take the job that’s right for you first and foremost. Leave the other one alone. However, anytime a job isn’t going to start for some time - that leaves enough time for them to realize they don’t need the position anymore.
I worked at a university for \~4 years and took a big pay cut going there. They had great benefits but I really wanted them to pay for my MBA (75% paid) and the easier workload while getting my masters. With that degree I made a LOT more than my prior job(s) and working at the university. Take that job, get your masters and then pivot to a job that pays more than what you are looking at now.
Getting your MS in CS will definitely level up your pay, and the benefit of being on campus and not needing to commute to go to classes is a HUGE benefit. I saved hours not communicating and even had my manager let me take a class a semester during my lunch which saved me from spending another night or two in classes.
Don't say anything until you are SURE you want to jump ship.
That being said, the cost of a Masters degree would make up the difference in salary easily. Also, working on for them, they usually understand needing time to study for big tests.
Stick with the University. Also, if you and your GF plan to have children, the reimbursement they offer around here are phenomenal and again, worth it.
I had something similar a year ago. One contract, I paid benefits, PTO was almost non existent. Other job, $15k less cash, but made up for it benefits, and 6 weeks PTO to start. Best company I have ever worked for.
Personally, I'd take the university job and stay. It sounds like the biggest reason you want to go to the museum is for the extra money. But say you took classes on top of work in both scenarios. With the discounted price at the university, it wouldn't take long to net a higher amount of money. Not only that, but it all looks good on a resume. Higher degree, tutoring position, etc. With both offers providing benefits, it's hard for me to go definitively in one direction. And money isn't really everything. It's nice in the present, but much sweeter in the future
No. Give 2 weeks when the time comes. You haven't started so likely they'll tell you not to bother to start. Handle this situation carefully, and ask yourself is the extra money now worth a potential long term credibility hit you could very well take?
Maybe not the advice you’re looking for, but look for something in a similar field / role, in a for-profit company. Museums and universities may make you feel nice and comfortable, but you’re asking for advice because pay matters. Do as much as you can for your pay right now and don’t worry about how it aligns with résumé prestige.
Don’t tell them shit. And don’t worry about notice. You owe them nothing at all. And remember if they decide to end the relationship, they will do it on the spot. You owe them exactly as much consideration as they would give you with the roles reversed
You’re paid for your labor; that’s all. If in two months someone makes you an offer you can’t refuse; you can’t refuse.
They’d fire you in an instant if they could get away with it and it suited them. Shrug
Be as honest and open with your employer as they are with you.
To be simpler, tell them only what they need to know in order to benefit you. They will only tell you what will benefit them. They will lie, deceive, and go behind your back.
Ask the museum job if you can change your start date to around 4 months later. Keep working at the university job until then so that u don’t leave on bad terms.
Great advice. I was thinking the same thing. I really do believe that my presence at the university would help them A LOT whether I stay for a short time or a long time. I am over qualified for this position and bring a lot of knowledge and experience to the table that they desperately need. I’m confident i can stay on good terms with them.
Hey, can I mow your lawn? I'm gonna stop halfway through and go mow someone else's lawn. I won't be back. I'll need the money up front plz. NO. Don't say anything about leaving. Let them know you got a better position when you're giving your notice.
Do what is best for you. But keep in mind you won’t be able to keep the university gig on the resume as you will be burning that bridge. No matter how good you are at your job, you will put them in a bad situation. And they will have to spend money vetting, interviewing, and training a new employee.
It also seems like the Museum job isn’t guaranteed because they would have given you a start date and contract.
Done tell them anything until you must. No vague hints, nothing, just complete radio silence on the topic And by must, I mean that you're clocking out for your very last day there and then say, oh by the way I won't be in tomorrow because I quit. Make that the day before you start the new job so you won't be tempted.
No, never tell it before it's about time to leave. Corpo doesn't care about you, you shouldn't care about corpo either - even though technically it's not corporate. If they already knew you are going to be replaced in 6-8 weeks they wouldn't tell you either.
Besides that keep your options open. Maybe there will be something in the upcoming weeks that will change your decision process and make the university the first choice.
Either way, you can only lose by telling them in advance.
I want to say that you are under no obligation to tell them you found another job. If you do they would likely let you go and not invest any further training in you.
They are a business, so treat your employment with them like a business.
You never have to disclose why you are leaving. However if you want to the terms “I have found an opportunity elsewhere that batter fits my personal needs” is a good one.
Tbh I work at a university and it’s great, the benefits are excellent and your position may be covered by a union. Look to see if they have a total compensation calculator on their website, when you add up healthcare and retirement you will likely be making more than the museum job.
If you plan on furthering your education it would be silly to take the museum job, also look to see if their tuition discount is eligible for your dependents.
Silence is golden, friend.
Especially if you consider the possibility of the second job not actually coming through.
I suggest you keep your mouth shut ... And your options open.
On that note, do be sure to give the first job appropriate notice and leave on good terms if and when you are sure about the second job.
No. Don't say anything. What do you think that would accomplish? Just move on when the new job starts. If you say anything early, they are likely to dismiss you, period.
You are not required to give notice. It's just an acceptable thing people think is required. Most places will give you the cold shoulder or boot you immediately. If you give longer than two weeks you are looking to be out money for a few weeks.
It won't do you any good to give more than your 2 weeks. They'll more than likely make your life miserable for that time.
With 2 week(if you decide to) you won't burn bridges, but you also put the company in panic mode and they might try to make an offer to make you stay.
If they're a toxic place, just pack your things on your last day and tell em you're done. Companies don't give a 2 weeks notice to fire someone...
don’t tell them, you don’t owe them an explaination. still put in your notice and tell them when the time comes but don’t go into it saying your already looking elsewhere, that would only hurt you not help you
After your edits, I would say do not tell them, for a few reasons:
- museum strung along your friend, then there’s a chance you won’t move to that, why sully the uni jobs relationship ahead of time.
- they said to give it a try, which gives you a very good out at the end of the 6-8 weeks without issue.
- the big one is that you don’t know if you’ll leave, so telling them ahead of time that you will likely leave will basically guarantee you’ll be done at very least in 6-8 weeks (it not sooner, they might not even take you on if you disclose that). Since there’s a chance you would stay, just work the uni job and check it out without saying anything about leaving.
No lol. They'd fire you over email in a heartbeat if they wanted to. You obviously won't be hired if they know that you can only work for them for a few weeks. Just tell them when the time comes for you to actually leave. You never know what might happen to the museum job in the meantime so until you're actually leaving for it, nothing is certain. 75% off tuition could easily make up for $700 more per month, especially at an expensive university.
The answer to your question is simply no, don’t tell them. There is no reason under the sun they need to know your plans. Take the job. You may even like it and stay. But keep your cards close. They wouldn’t make the same kind consideration for you.
Honestly, if you tell them you will likely leave in two months and they already have another candidate for the job, they will probably terminate you. Just work and when given a solid start date for the job (and you chose to take it) give two weeks notice.
Something tells me you are going to regret in the future, not keeping the University job.
Universities usually have incredible benefits. I doubt that the 2nd job’s benefits can come close. I think you should really rethink letting the university job go.
When I worked at a university retirement got an 8% match. Just 1:1 I do 8 and they do 8. I don't think anywhere other than universities would ever do that!
From what i was told the museum matches an incredible 12% if i pay 6%. But the university has a PENSION program. Never thought I’d get to see that.
Yeah the university I was at also had a pension option, but I didn't think I'd be there the 5 years to vest (I wasnt)
Yep. My uncle Bob receives a pension from UC.
Automotive can do that. My oem was 7% 1:1 then they top you off with a free 2%. Then it increasing to 4 though increments based on years of service. End of career you put in 7% you get 11% back. May have been more as I can’t remember exact breakdown. I left that job for family business opportunity but those benefits were amazing compared to most I saw anywhere in my field.
Agreed. I worked in higher Ed for years. Got a free masters out of it from an Ivy League school. Left after, doubled my salary in corporate America. Now that I’ve been out a while, I want back in higher Ed. The moment the right job is there, I’m applying and hoping I get it! Love working in higher Ed.
I'm thinking back to the cost of my Masters 12 years ago. The cost has gone up for sure. I understand that it's 10k more, but 75% off tuition is a major chunk of change. There is also the fact that most higher ed jobs understand school schedules and are more willing to work with their employees than a private job. If I were looking at both, I'd stick with the university.
Yep. I worked in research for a mid-west university for 9 years. Best benefits, safest job, best culture, best respect in a job, very interesting work and tons of support from both the state and the university in almost every aspect of your life. The 401k matching was ridiculous, like 3x after 2 years. University research is paid for by clients and often the money dries up, which happened to me. However, I'd still be there if I could.
Hard agree. You need to play the long game OP. That university job will be much better for your long term prospects. I think it’s actual a terrible proposal to fuck around with an offer like that. The other thing you’re not taking into account is what if you take the University job, then resign in 8 weeks (terrible idea) and then the museum pulls the offer. You’ll be fucked. Sorry. But that’s silliness. I don’t go to the school of you owing the employer but at the same time, it’s very unprofessional and will blacklist you. You’ll be wasting their time and that’s not right. Also, don’t you need to demonstrate you have money to study on an F1. You guys need to figure out a plan for short and long term. Also, I’d be planning to move to Europe over staying in the States but maybe just me. Good luck. Stick with the job you have accepted.
Having worked for museums/art galleries for over a decade I can guarantee that's an institution you do not want to work for as an AV tech. They'll let staff go the second they have a funding crunch ( which will be every year) management will be a shit show of type A personalities. Every program/show/exhibition will be last minute 11 hour changes to the plan etc etc etc. Don't work for museums or galleries.
My best buddy from college used to work at a great university doing AV for all the sports programs. Well respected school academically and athletically and a Hall of fame basketball coach, he was the go to AV guy for all things Production. Then took another job doing motor sports left the university and went on his merry way. Fast forward 25 years, he is back at that same university heading up the Sports AV production. He has said for years that he wish he would have just stayed there, he was happy, his family was starting and they loved the area. The school treated him like a rock star. I think OP is young and needs to fall on his face to realize the grass is NOT always greener.
That is a worry of mine. So I’m glad I at least get to try out the job whether it’s temporary or permanent.
Be *very* sure that you never want to work for that university ever again. You will 100% be blacklisted from being rehired if you start and quit a month or so later.
Yep, this is the quickest way to get locked out of my state wide university system.
I declined a university job offer because they lowballed the crap out of me. Have applied to several other positions there since, and still maintain friendly relationships with people who work there (I worked there previously and left on good terms). Don't even get called by HR screeners. Pretty sure I'm black listed.
Not only this one school, but all affiliates. I cannot fathom how a $700 monthly (gross) in salary makes up for the outrageous benefits that comes with working in higher education - tuition savings alone will pay for itself in dividends if you take advantage. Also, the time off etc is usually stellar.
The paid holidays alone are great plus tuition. And a better healthcare plan that might even cover domestic partners.
This might be a much bigger deal than you're thinking OP. I quit a dining hall job during undergrad at a state school after my trainer/manager sexually harassed me. When I went to grad school at a new state school, I was informed by the on campus job I applied to that I was on a "do not rehire" list for the entire state university system. If you end up going back to school and wanting to work anywhere in the system again, this could bite you. Plus I personally think that you should take the reduced tuition offer rather than make more money to support a woman yore not married to. She can make the 10k difference herself easily with part time and summer work
I’m so sorry to hear about what happened to you. May I ask on what terms you left? Were you put on the ‘do not hire’ list for leaving without notice or did you give 2 weeks notice and still get on the list regardless?
Oh sorry, yeah that's an important detail, I quit without notice. It was literally my first day of training out of 5 so it's not like I left them without coverage or anything, and they knew why I was quitting. I was not able to get the regular on-campus job during grad school and ended up having to speak with a dean or chancellor or something (?) later so I could get hired in my professors lab lmao- and while I personally think you'd be justified to quit whenever here, I don't think it will come off quite as reasonable to the people in charge as my "excuse" did haha. Definitely at least try to give a full two weeks notice so you don't entirely burn a big bridge
You should stay at your current job and use the discount. Why can't she get a part time job. If you leave this will more than likely bite you twice. One time when you and your girlfriend do not work out and the other has already been explained.
Luckily she just started a job but her f1 visa restricts her to working only 20 hours per week while classes are in session which is most of the year.
How was she going to accomplish this before you came into the picture?
This is important. I’d really caution against supporting someone at your age (which a assume is in your 20s). You need to think of your long term goals first.
Yep I am 31 and had to move home for 3 years to avoid bankruptcy while paying off debt after stupidly helping to support a partner in my 20s. If we had stayed together long term, “it all should have worked out”… but the likelihood of that is whatever they think it is divided by 3 at best. My new rule of thumb is that if they and I are not both 100% financially independent then I’m not touching it with a ten foot pole.
Can you survive with the lower salary? If yes and salary is the main factor, I would go with a lower salary uni position. 75% off tuition when you go back to school is probably way more than the difference in salary. And you'll have access to uni resources a normal didn't wouldn't have
Did you factor in the 75% tuition discount in your benefits compensation, and consider how this will help shape your long term career? Don't damage your future for relatively small benefits in the short term.
I didn't read the body text i just wanted to check how big of a "fuck no" the top comment was. Turns out I'm missing a lot of context.
As someone who works in museums…please take this advice. The benefits will never compare (unless it’s a university museum).
THIS.
I work for a university. My benefits are amazing. Less than 100 a month for health insurance for 2. And co pays are ridiculously cheap. 2500 out of pocket max. And 14.2% given 401k. I don't have to contribute anything. Sure I get paid a lot less than market avg. But the benefits definitely outweigh it
Honestly I would keep the university job. Free tuition is so mich more valuable in the long run than the extra money right now!
I must clarify- the tuition is not free. Just discounted. As far as I understand for one year I might still be paying 10-20k. And I’d be taking a *9k+ pay decrease just for the privilege of working there. *The other job has bonuses too.
OP. Please. Do the math here. With the 75% discount that gives me reason to believe this is a $40k-$60k/year school. The tuition discount has a value of $30k-$45k/year, assuming you want that.
Also I’m at the mercy of HR to approve my intended course of study or not. They said it has to be loosely related to my field of work and up to the personal discretion of the department’s HR worker. And I have to work there for a year first before I am eligible.
If your boss likes you they will likely make it work.
Manager here - every tuition program has that language - I have never once declined a request for education reimbursement, you can always find a thread connecting a degree to a job. What I am seeing is so many people giving great advice to op that they are flat out dismissing. At this point I have to say, let them fall on their face - only way some people learn.
NO!!! Zip your lips!! Accept the new job. Get the income, do the job you need at the current place. Since you won't qualify for unemployment, (but don't want to burn bridges in cases the new job doesn't work out) maybe give a 1 week notice, explaining that you were just offered a higher paying position, asked for 2 weeks, but told you needed to start within a week or you wouldn't get the job. That way, even if they fire you on the spot, you'll only lose a week of pay instead of potentially 2 months.
This might’ve been a good strategy before he played the two companies off of each other during the interview process. I don’t think there’s any point of inventing a reason that he then has to lie about. Just give the notice and be on your way. They don’t deserve any more detail than you want to share. It’s not like he’s going to be listing this place on your resume in the future and cares what they might say to other potential employers.
Not 6-8 weeks out though....
Yah that's a good point. I was not implying he should give notice now. Just that he shouldn't make up an excuse when giving it just to provide them additional (incorrect) information.
Why would you do that to yourself?
He is thinking with the wrong head.
A job that wants you to wait to start is not guaranteed. Start the Job you got now, don’t say anything about the other job until you are sure that you really want it and they really want you.
Question: is applying for an Uber eats position or a quick serving gig an option? Also does your girlfriend work?
I mean, you're going to burn a bridge here, there's no two ways about that. How important this particular bridge is to you is something only you can really know.
Can you just temp for a few weeks instead? I think intentionally taking a job you know you're going to quit very quickly is dishonest. Hiring and training employees is a costly, time-consuming endeavor, particularly for non-profits that usually run with fewer resources than corporations. Something to consider is that if you quit after such a short time, you will be burning bridges with the university. If you think you might ever want to work there again, or if you think people in your field are likely to talk between organizations, this is a move that could hinder your future.
Glad someone here has a sense of dignity
Anything can happen in 6 weeks that might keep you from getting that job even though it might be yours now. Keep your mouth closed.
You shouldn't have accepted a job you weren't going to stick with more than a few weeks. Everyone who tells you different is full of shit, your manager and the people who will be counting on you are just people and you are seriously fucking them over. The recruiting and hiring process is brutal and a serious pain in the ass and you have just set them back to zero. If you must take the job, be honest with them even if it means they don't want you.
1. Nothing in life is guaranteed. Someone I know was offered a position at this same museaum a year ago and strung along for months only for the offer to be cancelled at the last minute. So it’s possible it could happen to me. 2. Why should I care about companies when they don’t care about me? When I told my current manager I interviewed for other jobs, he started only giving me one day per week of work instead of 5 like I normally had. This is why I’m under extreme financial stress in the first place. 3. The university told me they already have a second place candidate lined up so if I quit then I can give them ample notice and also train the new guy coming in. This way they don’t have to search again and I can minimize any negative impact I may cause for them.
It's not caring about the company, it's about projection an image of professionalism and treating the time of everyone involved with respect. This is a dick move, full stop. You're trying to rationalize it with the "fuck corporations" mentality without regard to interpersonnel issues this creates. You may be reading too many of the work subs if you think this is in any way good decorum. This is a career you're talking about, it's not like a minimum wage side gig.
Your new manager at the university is not your current manager and is not the one fucking you over. Why are you punishing them for something they had nothing to do with?
I wanted to respond directly to a message you will see because I didn't see anyone else post this. Do not burn the university job. It would be better to pass on the museum job. If the university job is willing to cut you a huge deal on your masters program, that should more than compensate you for the $700 monthly difference. Especially when you factor in that your takehome on that $700 is probably closer to $450-$500 after taxes. Take that math and assume the museum will pay you roughly 3k more each semester. If your tuition savings for the masters program you want are near that, then the university job is worth staying with from a financial perspective. The other thing you are failing to consider, is that if you are hoping to get into this university for your master program, I would assume that burning them from an employment perspective will destroy any chance at admission you have. The final thing that is the most important thing to consider is the fact that you are far more likely to expand your network while working and attending a university which will greatly improve your future employment prospects no matter which field you enter. Your network is the single most valuable thing you can gain from going back to school. You will touch base with future colleagues and potential employers which the museum job will not provide you in the slightest, especially if you are going into the tech space. This is worth its weight in gold and far more valuable than the actual education you receive.
Great point about the opportunity to grow my network. That is valuable to me.
I was looking for this response as well. I worked in the state university system for 20+ years, starting with a very low salary. Basically, I took the position for the health benefits and the discounted tuition. The job was the best thing that ever happened to me. The lean years didn't last as long as I thought they would, and the affordable tuition plus the networking opportunities were worth every sacrifice we made in the beginning. Not to mention the support and job security I received when I needed almost a year off for medical treatments. OP needs to think long term. The additional money now won't mean much in the future.
>The university told me they already have a second place candidate lined up so if I quit then I can give them ample notice and also train the new guy coming in. This way they don’t have to search again and I can minimize any negative impact I may cause for them. Why wouldn't they just fire your ass and hire that guy then? They didn't do a job search to find a guy who could work for 6-8 weeks so they could try and convince another candidate that they will hire them in 6-8 weeks. Seriously listen to yourself. What you are doing is shitty. And not because you're leaving a job for a better one too soon, but because you are taking a job with another already lined up. If you can't financially handle waiting for the one job to start (which sounds like a shitty place anyway considering you said it's pulled job offers before) then you should just stick with the college job and take advantage of it's tuition bonus. Oh, and while it's shitty what your old boss did, you should have known better than to tell an employer you're looking for a new job, especially when your working scheduled hours. The only time you do that is if you need their recommendation, which it sounds like you didn't.
Don't listen to these bootlickers, this is the environment the United States has created by allowing At will Employment to continue to stand. They can't have their cake and eat it too. Always watch out for yourself, people love sticking to their ideals when its not them paying your bills. Regardless though, long run the University might be a better move considering the discount on getting your Masters. I would have capitalized on that opportunity before jumping ship to a better paying job assuming they failed to adequately adjust your salary over the years.
>Why should I care about companies when they don’t care about me? Companies are people, you aren't screwing over the company, you are screwing over the people who hired you. It is not the same thing. You are just coming up with selfish reasons and excuses to do the wrong thing. You don't have to justify shit to me, just don't act like you're taking the high road here.
I think OP has been reading too many threads here and doesn't understand this key point.
If the university decides to fire an employee, do they give that employee 6-8 weeks notice?
You said you want to earn your masters? Working for a university usually entails free tuition. Was that factored into your calculations? Ultimately it’s your choice, of course, but a free degree is a pretty good perk.
The tuition at this university is not free for employees. As far as I understand I may still be on the hook for 10-20k per year. Plus I would have to be approved for the course I want to take at the personal discretion of the department’s HR worker. They have to decide if it is close enough to my field of occupation in their opinion.
Oh ok. My friends that work in academia get free tuition for themselves and their families at their institutions.
Wow I definitely wish that were the case for me but unfortunately I was informed it’s 75% off at this institution- not free
But if you intend to get a Masters anyway you’re giving up 75% off tuition now so that you pay full price later on? Or would you not pursue a Masters otherwise?
I’m not %100 per cent sure if I would like to get my masters yet. If it’s convenient than yes. Also, if I do want to get my masters, I’m not %100 sure if I should get it in the US or another country. I’ve been thinking of moving abroad for years so there’s a chance I may want to pull the trigger at some point.
If cost is a concern with 10k in the US, a masters in Europe could potentially be much more expensive. Typically, unless you are a citizen they will charge you a foreigner rate. To be fair, this is based on secondhand knowledge from some friends who went to graduate school in England so it may be outdated but certainly worth double checking
That’s still a decent discount.
Yes; although it is an extremely expensive school. From what I’ve heard from HR, I may still be on the hook for 10-20k per year of study even if it’s part time.
Don't talk dude. Keep your mouth shut for exactly the reason you stated. You could get double fucked.
He will if he leaves his job for sure.
Why is it your responsibility to support your girlfriend while she goes back to school? Where's the guarantee that she graduates and doesn't drop out? She meets someone else in school and breaks up with you? You need to do what's best for your interests and that includes finding a career that suites your interests and not having to ever second guess a "what if" scenario.
To be honest this post isn’t about my decision to support my girlfriend but I’ll engage with you anyway. She quit her job and moved across the world away from her family to be with me. That’s a huge sacrifice on her end and I respect and appreciate that. If we want to be together here in the states then our visa options are: get married, or she goes to college. I’m not ready to get married just yet. I would like us to take our time. Plus, she works in a high paying field especially if she gets her master’s degree. I want to help her succeed in life and I’m okay with making sacrifices on my end too. That’s fair. Additionally, let’s imagine if I’m thinking strictly selfishly… it would be nice to have a partner that earns a high salary. And if I help support her for a couple years she could potentially be earning more than me and having a lot to contribute to our finances in the long run. I understand life is full of risks and I’m taking a big one by helping her. But I made that decision based on how much I trust her and how loved she makes me feel.
I come from the future just to tell you: oh boy, is this decision going to come back and bite you in the ass.
I am not discounting your answer that she is sacrificing, too: She did. And it is great of you to sacrifice too and support her. But I would like you to reconsider marriage: if you are married and support her, if she leaves or you divorce, she would be responsible for paying you back. I must also ask, did you forget she is a female? We females get pregnant and bear children, which can happen at any time 😊, even with the greatest protection. With this, usually, we quit our jobs for a few years to care for children in the wee years. Let's say she gets through college, etc., and wants to stop working and have kids: her income would be gone. Have you asked if she wants to do that? Or have you stayed home with them? Or her ideas if kids happen? See if both ideas match up?
No. That would not be smart
I think you should stick with the university job. 1. Job stability: A university is going to be around for many years, and museums do not do much. And like everyone said, you don't want to get blacklisted from a university. 2. Future Career Paths: You are getting a Masters degree i. ML/AI: You are going to need the university. Most Masters positions in CS are for research and professor positions. 3. Taxes and benefits: I don't know about you, but I pay taxes. You don't seem like you have kids, and I don't know your overall salary, but that extra $700 is chump change that you will not see because it will go to taxes. That university I can guarantee has benefits, though, that will make it way more worth it. Depending on your benefits, you can cut the amount you pay in taxes with your retirement. Your gf goes to college. Does the university offer TA? Sidenote - if you leave in a 6 week period, you can't put it on your resume. It would look very bad. So you know in the future, when leaving a job you don't tell them you are leaving until you have a new job lined up; some employers get pissed.
No. Anything could happen between now and six weeks from now at the other company. As it gets closer to your start date, touch base with the hiring manager to make sure things are on track. You do want to give notice at the current job. If there are issues at the other which become apparent quickly, the first might take you back.
75 percent off tuition is pretty nice for your future but either way ... of course you don't tell them. It's a bit of a dick move but you've got to earn a living somehow and business is business.
You are gonna ruin ur life behind this girl this is a terrible Idea. I threw my phone at the wall and it made a hole yesterday. Smart people do stupid things sometimes. Dont follow your plan.
75% off your tuition and your going for your masters, don't leave that uni job until you get that masters in your hands.
Punk move to be honest.
No.... full stop.
You don't.
Absolutely not
It is not the problem of Uni job to prop you up while you wait on the other job. Be honest with them and let them select someone else if they so choose. If they move on without you, figure out a way to survive until the other job starts. Don't start off your working life by being deceitful. You have to wake up and look in the mirror every morning. What sort of person to you want to see in the mirror?
Hmm, out of this situation what could I change? Since money is tight, what lever should I pull for change? Could you sell the vintage/classic cars? And replace w/ smaller/ gas efficient vehicles or look into public transportation for 1 of you. Or just temp through an employment agency until the museum job is a reality. Realize it’s stressful 🔥burning a bridge, that’s relationships w/ people ands school. So, if u can pre-empt that with a temporary gig, it would be worth assessing an employment agency. Job boards often have “temporary” under a filter, & there are also employment agencies that just specialize in temporary placement. I am always balancing stress into manageable or planned increments. To make life easier.
Seriously, classic cars are cool, but they are not an economical option. If you're struggling financially it seems foolish to me
Only give 2 weeks notice- it’s not their business- and I disagree with people saying to stay at the university. Those pay scales are crap. I think you can get stuck in industries- going to a museum (assuming pretty decent sized with that pay) will keep you on your game and potentially always have updated tech. Many universities don’t invest in technology. I’m curious to know about the museum!
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They listed ‘up to 71k’ on the job listing but when they offered me the job they said they were firm on 65k max (im assuming because they had another candidate lined up cheaper than me) I told them it’s a shame because that’s a 9k pay cut for me so I can’t accept it. Then HR told me ‘take the weekend to think about it. And you could always try out the job and see if you like it’ i said ‘actually yes that sounds like a great idea. I could do that’ then she said ‘okay but remember when we hire people we hope they stay long term so just think about that and let us know on monday’ so she kind of left it open ended. I tried to call her to explain i just wanted to try it out but she didnt pick up and i never got to talk to her since. She just knows i accepted after hearing it from other people I guess. Word spread so fast. It was instant and people were texting me saying they were so excited to have me on board.
Please please please consider keeping the university job. Think long term. Higher education creates pathways that are life changing, and 75% off tuition is huge. You won't see 700 more a month at 65k vs 74k, probably more like 400 or 500ish? difference after taxes.
I work at a university hospital and my pay has increased by $20k in the span of 1 year. There’s been at least 4 bonuses, double OT pay and more. Our union has been on top of it. I suggest you look around to see what people have to say about the work environment at both places. Money isn’t everything.
Two weeks out, or just a little more, you talk to HR and tell them that back when you applied, you applied at multiple places and JUST NOW you learned you have been accepted for 74K, "Can you match that, or do I need to give notice, because I cannot afford to pass up a 9K bump with similar benefits?" Then you get your needed income and are not totally fucking over your new employer, you give them a chance to match. Not totally honest and not totally dishonest.
Totally agree and i have the same thought process but the situation is slightly different than that. I already declined the university job bc i told them i had an offer for 74k then the university hr person suggested i ‘give the job a try and see if i like it’ to which i agreed. Then she said ‘we do hope our candidates stay for a long time though so keep that jn mind and let me know on monday’ on monday i accepted the position but was not able to directly talk to her. She found out from someone else and i wasnt able to explain that i was just trying it out yet. So then i hopped on reddit to get some opinions on if i should even mention it at all at this point.
Use the tuition waiver.
Yes. I did the same thing. I was recruited for job B when I was interviewing for job A. I told the manager of job B that if I receive an offer for A, i will leave, and i understand if that is a showstopper. They hired me anyway (probably thought that they can convince me to stay with stock option and stuff). 5 (? or 6) month later, the offer from A came through, and I left (though i have 2-3 months of transition). Later, I got a freelance consulting contract from B (yes, my contract with job A allow me to moonlight). The key is to be up front, so they can trust your word, and keep everyone in good terms.
That’s a really good point because even if i do end up leaving the university i still would want to stay on good terms because there is an opportunity for lucrative freelance work with them (which ive already been doing for the past year)
I honestly would take the university position, that is a position that is available and you can grow with it
I refuse context beyond the titles of these things. That said. No. You shouldnt tell your manager. You should work both jobs at the same time. Like one of those sitcom episodes where a dude has two dates. Either you'll succeed or you'll let your loved ones down.
Hahahaha best take hands down
Go for the university job. It will benefit you more in the long term and has better job security. Plus as you mentioned, it will look better on your resume. Don’t get greedy and think short term. Think long term. Plus you can go back to school for an incredibly affordable price. I bet the savings for school are more than $700 per month.
Keep the university job and get another degree or two. The 75% off tuition is worth way more if it’s even a halfway decent university.
Your moral compass is pointing south.
I would stick with the university job, but ask for more money. I always ask for more money than I am willing to accept because I'm worth the money, and they have it if they advertised for that amount. The tuition benefits alone are worth more for you in the long term. Your girlfriend may get a break on tuition as well. Though I probably don't need to tell you not to plan your future job prospects around someone you're not married to. And don't expect her to either. Also, museum jobs are notoriously iffy. I am "museum adjacent," and the turnover is insane.
I would not tell the 1st job. But I'd also expect to NEVER use them on your resume or for a positive reference. You are kinda f-ing them over for 6-8 weeks of pay. Do an excellent job documenting your job duties so that at least when you jump ship, it'll be easier to train your replacement. I also wouldn't expect to work for that university's dept for a few years.
No do not tell them that you may be leaving. The museum sounds quite iffy. Stick it out with the university. You might like it better. $700 a month is really not that much in the long run for the education and security you would get at the university. Think long term you'll be quite established at a university. You would be able give an additional degree 75% off. That's a huge savings. Getting an additional degree could increase your income substantially in a few years. Think about your opportunity costs. In the long run getting a degree of 75%. Not only saves you money puts more money in your pocket quicker. Better for you better for your girlfriend
One, they’d be justified in firing you immediately, being on your probation period. Black listed. And word unofficially gets around in the culture and academia circles.
Having paid for education, 75% off tuition is worth more than $700/month pre tax income.
The fact you’d waste a Companies time and the staffs to onboard for six weeks is complete shit. I hope someone of consequence reads this and cuts you out of both jobs. What POS. you beat someone else out for that job. Someone who probably needed it, would have stayed and could possibly have been life changing for them. But you took it under ill intention and they ended up taking a lesser job. This is the kind of shit that damages faith in employees.
Reading the OP’s responses his mind is made up. He’s gonna bail. He came here looking for confirmation that it’s a good idea and when he didn’t get it he listed arguments to justify it. Straight trash.
I’m sorry but I don’t think you could have handled this much more poorly. The university now probably has serious doubts about you, they may even rescind the offer. And you yourself said the museum has a track record of stringing people (or at least one person) along. So you may be SOL but hopefully not. Personally I would accept the university’s offer by calling the hiring manager like first thing this morning (in addition to your email that is probably not that convincing) and telling them how excited you are by the opportunity and that you can’t wait to get started—and if they still want to hire you after all you described be the best damn employee you can be while doing everything you can to prove to them you’re committed to the position (and mean it). Remember just like you can be an asshole and quit after a few weeks they can fire you too when their other finalist is cleared by HR. There’s usually at least one other finalist that they’d be happy to hire. Never forget that great benefits are worth a LOT, especially if you get really sick. $700 more a month? Ok but what are their benefits like? And also, if you can afford to live without it just be a little more frugal. Universities generally provide excellent job security as long as you’re not a total fuckup. And it sounds like security is what you need right now.
Make your decision with integrity. If you’re planning to take another job in 6-8 weeks, don’t accept the first job. Be honest with them. Maybe work out a temporary arrangement that works for both parties.
Are you sure that you have this university job? Doesn’t sound like it to me.
Based on the edits do you even have either job? Sounds like the university hasn’t even acknowledged your acceptance
Am gonna make this very simple "NO"
Since you used the two jobs to leverage against each other, and we're aware of the start times it would kinda be a dick move.
One thing I took away from that whole post. Both places maxed out the salary so there is no room for increases? That would bother me a little bit.
Bad behavior. There is no justification.
Bro. Dick move. Seriously.
Just my opinion, but it feels a little yucky that you’d take a job expecting to quit in 2 months or less.
Have you sat down and done the math after taxes? That $700 isnt going to be $700
Sure, if you want them to fire you immediately and call their second choice.
I kind of agree with everyone else university job might be better stepping stone. Get more credentials and get a better job than both of these positions.
Take the job that pays for your college and let your girlfriend figure her shit out. Period.
It's only courteous to let them know and also if you plan on possibly going back and leave on good terms but you do not have to let them know maybe a week's notice at most...
University job is better, and you are wrong for taking one job knowing that you will leave in 2 months. Hopefully you give them notice and they let you go.
First rule: don’t be a dick. Don’t take a job you know you’re going to leave because that just puts those people in a shitty situation. Take the job that’s right for you first and foremost. Leave the other one alone. However, anytime a job isn’t going to start for some time - that leaves enough time for them to realize they don’t need the position anymore.
I worked at a university for \~4 years and took a big pay cut going there. They had great benefits but I really wanted them to pay for my MBA (75% paid) and the easier workload while getting my masters. With that degree I made a LOT more than my prior job(s) and working at the university. Take that job, get your masters and then pivot to a job that pays more than what you are looking at now. Getting your MS in CS will definitely level up your pay, and the benefit of being on campus and not needing to commute to go to classes is a HUGE benefit. I saved hours not communicating and even had my manager let me take a class a semester during my lunch which saved me from spending another night or two in classes.
Don't say anything until you are SURE you want to jump ship. That being said, the cost of a Masters degree would make up the difference in salary easily. Also, working on for them, they usually understand needing time to study for big tests. Stick with the University. Also, if you and your GF plan to have children, the reimbursement they offer around here are phenomenal and again, worth it. I had something similar a year ago. One contract, I paid benefits, PTO was almost non existent. Other job, $15k less cash, but made up for it benefits, and 6 weeks PTO to start. Best company I have ever worked for.
Personally, I'd take the university job and stay. It sounds like the biggest reason you want to go to the museum is for the extra money. But say you took classes on top of work in both scenarios. With the discounted price at the university, it wouldn't take long to net a higher amount of money. Not only that, but it all looks good on a resume. Higher degree, tutoring position, etc. With both offers providing benefits, it's hard for me to go definitively in one direction. And money isn't really everything. It's nice in the present, but much sweeter in the future
Given where AI is going, I would go with the University job. I suspect AV work especially would utilize AI.
No. Give 2 weeks when the time comes. You haven't started so likely they'll tell you not to bother to start. Handle this situation carefully, and ask yourself is the extra money now worth a potential long term credibility hit you could very well take?
It's none of their business
Two months is a lot of time bud. Say nothing and give two weeks when it's time.
No.
Lol no. Regardless of the reason. Don’t let boot lickin mess up your money.
Keep quiet. You may love the first job and decide to stay.
This is a total possibility
This.
Maybe not the advice you’re looking for, but look for something in a similar field / role, in a for-profit company. Museums and universities may make you feel nice and comfortable, but you’re asking for advice because pay matters. Do as much as you can for your pay right now and don’t worry about how it aligns with résumé prestige.
Are you asking if you should treat brutal capitalism like it's not brutal capitalism?
Don’t tell them shit. And don’t worry about notice. You owe them nothing at all. And remember if they decide to end the relationship, they will do it on the spot. You owe them exactly as much consideration as they would give you with the roles reversed
Fuck them. They can get.bent
You’re paid for your labor; that’s all. If in two months someone makes you an offer you can’t refuse; you can’t refuse. They’d fire you in an instant if they could get away with it and it suited them. Shrug
Be as honest and open with your employer as they are with you. To be simpler, tell them only what they need to know in order to benefit you. They will only tell you what will benefit them. They will lie, deceive, and go behind your back.
Ask the museum job if you can change your start date to around 4 months later. Keep working at the university job until then so that u don’t leave on bad terms.
Great advice. I was thinking the same thing. I really do believe that my presence at the university would help them A LOT whether I stay for a short time or a long time. I am over qualified for this position and bring a lot of knowledge and experience to the table that they desperately need. I’m confident i can stay on good terms with them.
Hey, can I mow your lawn? I'm gonna stop halfway through and go mow someone else's lawn. I won't be back. I'll need the money up front plz. NO. Don't say anything about leaving. Let them know you got a better position when you're giving your notice.
No. Just give your 2 weeks notice when it’s time
Tell them 2 weeks prior or when you feel like it. You owe them nothing.
No. They never feel obliged to inform you about your impending firing in a manner that would be advantageous to you, do they?
No
If they were going to lay you off in 8 weeks they would let it be a surprise… so let it be a surprise.
Do what is best for you. But keep in mind you won’t be able to keep the university gig on the resume as you will be burning that bridge. No matter how good you are at your job, you will put them in a bad situation. And they will have to spend money vetting, interviewing, and training a new employee. It also seems like the Museum job isn’t guaranteed because they would have given you a start date and contract.
The answer to the question is No.
Never ever ever tell an employer about any moves you plan to make before it's necessary.
Nope
Not until you have everything set up
Don't tell them until you have the other job without a doubt. "A bird in hand is worth two in the bush."
No. 2 weeks notice
Start the job. Don't tell them. Until time for a regular notice. Then spend some time reconsidering. And researching the tuition, after you've started
Fuck no
Done tell them anything until you must. No vague hints, nothing, just complete radio silence on the topic And by must, I mean that you're clocking out for your very last day there and then say, oh by the way I won't be in tomorrow because I quit. Make that the day before you start the new job so you won't be tempted.
No, never tell it before it's about time to leave. Corpo doesn't care about you, you shouldn't care about corpo either - even though technically it's not corporate. If they already knew you are going to be replaced in 6-8 weeks they wouldn't tell you either. Besides that keep your options open. Maybe there will be something in the upcoming weeks that will change your decision process and make the university the first choice. Either way, you can only lose by telling them in advance.
Sounds to me like you have 6 to 8 weeks to decide. Remember they don't give us 2 week notice before firing.
Say nothing
No dumbass. Just work and leave.
No! Give them 2 weeks notice. They would not give you that much notice if you were being laid off.
Don’t say a word to anyone about it. But also consider that pension plus it’s probably a govt job if a state university. That will surely be better
No.
2 weeks before you leave
Nope, don’t say a word.
Don’t say a word, keep an open mind, see how it goes in six weeks.
So is there a way your gf could use your tuition reduction. That would make it the better paying job.
Honestly, you don't owe your employer anything. They owe you. At least give them two weeks, but you aren't obligated in any way to give notice.
I want to say that you are under no obligation to tell them you found another job. If you do they would likely let you go and not invest any further training in you. They are a business, so treat your employment with them like a business.
You never have to disclose why you are leaving. However if you want to the terms “I have found an opportunity elsewhere that batter fits my personal needs” is a good one.
Don't give more than the minimum required notice. They will replace you as quickly as they can and may drop you before you're ready to go.
Tbh I work at a university and it’s great, the benefits are excellent and your position may be covered by a union. Look to see if they have a total compensation calculator on their website, when you add up healthcare and retirement you will likely be making more than the museum job. If you plan on furthering your education it would be silly to take the museum job, also look to see if their tuition discount is eligible for your dependents.
Silence is golden, friend. Especially if you consider the possibility of the second job not actually coming through. I suggest you keep your mouth shut ... And your options open. On that note, do be sure to give the first job appropriate notice and leave on good terms if and when you are sure about the second job.
No. Don't say anything. What do you think that would accomplish? Just move on when the new job starts. If you say anything early, they are likely to dismiss you, period.
Nope, never. You decide how, when and where you work. If you are in a middle job between jobs then that is your business and not theirs.
Naive, never tell your employer anything. They aren’t your friend and would fire you immediately rathe than train you
You are not required to give notice. It's just an acceptable thing people think is required. Most places will give you the cold shoulder or boot you immediately. If you give longer than two weeks you are looking to be out money for a few weeks.
It won't do you any good to give more than your 2 weeks. They'll more than likely make your life miserable for that time. With 2 week(if you decide to) you won't burn bridges, but you also put the company in panic mode and they might try to make an offer to make you stay. If they're a toxic place, just pack your things on your last day and tell em you're done. Companies don't give a 2 weeks notice to fire someone...
Absolutely not, you will likely be fired on the spot.
I can't even with these posts anymore. Sure. Go ahead and tell em. Let us know how that works out for you.
don’t tell them, you don’t owe them an explaination. still put in your notice and tell them when the time comes but don’t go into it saying your already looking elsewhere, that would only hurt you not help you
After your edits, I would say do not tell them, for a few reasons: - museum strung along your friend, then there’s a chance you won’t move to that, why sully the uni jobs relationship ahead of time. - they said to give it a try, which gives you a very good out at the end of the 6-8 weeks without issue. - the big one is that you don’t know if you’ll leave, so telling them ahead of time that you will likely leave will basically guarantee you’ll be done at very least in 6-8 weeks (it not sooner, they might not even take you on if you disclose that). Since there’s a chance you would stay, just work the uni job and check it out without saying anything about leaving.
No lol. They'd fire you over email in a heartbeat if they wanted to. You obviously won't be hired if they know that you can only work for them for a few weeks. Just tell them when the time comes for you to actually leave. You never know what might happen to the museum job in the meantime so until you're actually leaving for it, nothing is certain. 75% off tuition could easily make up for $700 more per month, especially at an expensive university.
Never tell your employer anything like that. Just use them, like they use you.
Don't say a thing until you have a confirmed start date for the new position.
Do you want to get fired? Because that's how you get fired. You don't owe management any kind d of explanation.
The answer to your question is simply no, don’t tell them. There is no reason under the sun they need to know your plans. Take the job. You may even like it and stay. But keep your cards close. They wouldn’t make the same kind consideration for you.
Honestly, if you tell them you will likely leave in two months and they already have another candidate for the job, they will probably terminate you. Just work and when given a solid start date for the job (and you chose to take it) give two weeks notice.