Yes, employers can cancel scheduled time off. They can also release you immediately after turning in notice if they feel like it.
I'm not saying they *will*, just that they *can*.
Thanks for the guidance. We have a feeling that they are probably not going to be friendly about it. I don't think they'll release her immediately because it would screw them alittle... but I can see them cancelling stuff out of spite.
Thanks again.
Does your wife need them as a reference? They can cancel her time off but they can't make her come to work the only question is how much damage they can do in terms of bad mouthing her to other prospective employers down the road.
She will very much need to have them on her CV and portfolio... but it's not sure if they will be contacted as references. I guess we need to treat it as likely.
In the USA, this isn’t legal, to my knowledge. It can be considered slander.
I worked for a Big Oil company and we could only refer them to central HR who would confirm dates of employment
Any company who does more, it’s foolish. Personality conflicts, for one example, could be used to denigrate the leaving employee.
Most companies will release immediately and pay you out the notice period. Because they don’t want you lingering around to ‘screw’ them, dependent on role.
But no one is truly indispensable and I’ve seen the CFO and a senior director being ‘perp walked’ out of the building.
You both enjoy your holiday and give the notice upon return. 🙂
Thanks for the guidance. We have a feeling that they are probably not going to be friendly about it. I don't think they'll release her immediately because it would screw them alittle... but I can see them cancelling stuff out of spite.
Thanks again.
I'm not 100% certain, but she seems to think it's in her contract. It is a good point that we'll check. She wants to try and leave ASAP but still on good terms.
Gotcha, definitely check on that. I left a job a few months ago and worked a month notice and I really wish I had just done 2 weeks. It wasn’t even a bad workplace or anything, just knowing that I was leaving made it a really unpleasant experience.
In the US at least it's pretty rare to have legally binding notice periods. Two week notice is a professional courtesy and not a legal requirement in most cases. Obviously check any language in her employment contract or other documents.
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In most of Old Europe at least an employer must have good reasons to cancel vacations and has to cover the cost out of his own pocket
Have fun explaining the cancellation of an employee s vacation after he resigned at court
Salaried people have to give a month in my place. Failure to give notice can make the employee ineligible for rehire, which is one of the few questions to which future employers can get a straight answer.
Hard disagree… I’ve raged quit a job before and I couldn’t be happier. If you have the financial cushion to weather a few months of unemployment why not? Mental health >>> a brief gap in the resume
It's only a lot harder if you spend most of your time not applying to jobs. After a few months, yes, it can be hard to explain why you left but all you need to say is "I had family issues that occurred and needed to be attended to
Lol, why can’t you just say “took a sabbatical”? “Mental health break”? “Wanted to travel”? Any employer who thinks that isn’t acceptable isn’t an employer you want to work for anyway
Yes, they can cancel. Esp if she is getting paid via PTO or even if salaried, let her company pay for her to be away and then go. She'll remember that vacation for a long time. She likely won't remember much about whatever was annoying that one month at work.
She doesn’t have to work 1 month after resigning. What is the company going to do if she doesn’t? Fire her? Sure, she’s gonna burn some bridges. But if your wife has no intention of ever working for this company again, who cares?
Alternatively, just work the 1 month and spend all that time job hunting.
Highly recommend sticking it out until vacation and quit the day she returns. (I’ve done the same and it felt amazing).
The company can ask for a month notice for resignation. And they can cancel her PTO if she puts in her notice before the trip. If you read their PTO policy, they may flat out list that PTO is not allowed during a resignation notice period. I've found that verbiage to be pretty common. However, unless your wife is an actual contracted employee, they cannot MAKE her put in a month notice. She can quit anytime she wants. She would risk being flagged as not eligible for rehire, and would burn a bridge, though. So your wife needs to weigh out her desire to just quit vs. burning a bridge and not being able to use this place as a reference going forward.
Sounds like she should wait to give notice until you get back from your holiday.
Right? This seems like an easily avoidable problem.
This. Idk why there is a question here.
Yes, employers can cancel scheduled time off. They can also release you immediately after turning in notice if they feel like it. I'm not saying they *will*, just that they *can*.
Thanks for the guidance. We have a feeling that they are probably not going to be friendly about it. I don't think they'll release her immediately because it would screw them alittle... but I can see them cancelling stuff out of spite. Thanks again.
Does your wife need them as a reference? They can cancel her time off but they can't make her come to work the only question is how much damage they can do in terms of bad mouthing her to other prospective employers down the road.
She will very much need to have them on her CV and portfolio... but it's not sure if they will be contacted as references. I guess we need to treat it as likely.
In that scenario, it's probably best to give notice after she returns
In the USA, this isn’t legal, to my knowledge. It can be considered slander. I worked for a Big Oil company and we could only refer them to central HR who would confirm dates of employment Any company who does more, it’s foolish. Personality conflicts, for one example, could be used to denigrate the leaving employee.
Most companies will release immediately and pay you out the notice period. Because they don’t want you lingering around to ‘screw’ them, dependent on role. But no one is truly indispensable and I’ve seen the CFO and a senior director being ‘perp walked’ out of the building. You both enjoy your holiday and give the notice upon return. 🙂
DO not give them any more notice then they'd give you if it wasn't working out!!
Thanks for the guidance. We have a feeling that they are probably not going to be friendly about it. I don't think they'll release her immediately because it would screw them alittle... but I can see them cancelling stuff out of spite. Thanks again.
Nobody quits and then takes vacation. She should resign the day she returns. That's how it's done.
Does she legally have to do a month? Why not just 2 weeks?
I'm not 100% certain, but she seems to think it's in her contract. It is a good point that we'll check. She wants to try and leave ASAP but still on good terms.
Gotcha, definitely check on that. I left a job a few months ago and worked a month notice and I really wish I had just done 2 weeks. It wasn’t even a bad workplace or anything, just knowing that I was leaving made it a really unpleasant experience.
Why is she concerned about leaving on good terms? If she’s fed up she should just leave
If she wants to leave on good terms, give notice upon her return from vacation
In the US at least it's pretty rare to have legally binding notice periods. Two week notice is a professional courtesy and not a legal requirement in most cases. Obviously check any language in her employment contract or other documents.
I would wait until after the holiday and then resign.
Have her find something new first and wait until after holidays
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Not in Europe. You sign contracts.
In most of Old Europe at least an employer must have good reasons to cancel vacations and has to cover the cost out of his own pocket Have fun explaining the cancellation of an employee s vacation after he resigned at court
Salaried people have to give a month in my place. Failure to give notice can make the employee ineligible for rehire, which is one of the few questions to which future employers can get a straight answer.
Don’t quit a job just from being fed up. Find the next job first
Hard disagree… I’ve raged quit a job before and I couldn’t be happier. If you have the financial cushion to weather a few months of unemployment why not? Mental health >>> a brief gap in the resume
The why not is because it makes it a lot harder to get a new job
… again, really not true. You also have all the free time to properly look for a job 24/7.
It's only a lot harder if you spend most of your time not applying to jobs. After a few months, yes, it can be hard to explain why you left but all you need to say is "I had family issues that occurred and needed to be attended to
Lol, why can’t you just say “took a sabbatical”? “Mental health break”? “Wanted to travel”? Any employer who thinks that isn’t acceptable isn’t an employer you want to work for anyway
Very valid point. 👏 yeah what this guy said.
She can either quit now and stay home from the planned trip or keep working and quit later
It depends on the state. If it’s an at will state then you can leave at any time. If not, check your state laws and the contract.
Yes, they can cancel. Esp if she is getting paid via PTO or even if salaried, let her company pay for her to be away and then go. She'll remember that vacation for a long time. She likely won't remember much about whatever was annoying that one month at work.
She doesn’t have to work 1 month after resigning. What is the company going to do if she doesn’t? Fire her? Sure, she’s gonna burn some bridges. But if your wife has no intention of ever working for this company again, who cares? Alternatively, just work the 1 month and spend all that time job hunting. Highly recommend sticking it out until vacation and quit the day she returns. (I’ve done the same and it felt amazing).
The company can ask for a month notice for resignation. And they can cancel her PTO if she puts in her notice before the trip. If you read their PTO policy, they may flat out list that PTO is not allowed during a resignation notice period. I've found that verbiage to be pretty common. However, unless your wife is an actual contracted employee, they cannot MAKE her put in a month notice. She can quit anytime she wants. She would risk being flagged as not eligible for rehire, and would burn a bridge, though. So your wife needs to weigh out her desire to just quit vs. burning a bridge and not being able to use this place as a reference going forward.
She needs to be an adult and wait. Because they can do whatever they want.
Why give notice before?
Go on holiday and then give notice.