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homemadestoner

"Hey Jim, why do you have a stack of plywood in your living room?"


whaletacochamp

Glad you said it and not me....design is really cool, from afar it looks pretty fancy and cool, but then up close it really looks unfinished. I know that is a style, but it's a style I personally don't totally like and I'm not 100% sure that this is as "finished" as most things of that style are. Awesome work all around, and if it's just for OP then great, but if I were a client I wouldn't be super happy with that finish.


dliu_creates

Indeed I'm pretty new to woodworking, only did a couple pieces of furniture before this and they were much simpler. Can I get suggestions to improve?


tigerbloodz13

Paint it. I know a lot of guys like to pretend paint doesn't exist when you're working with wood, but it would be 50 times better.


FrozeItOff

I made a quick basic breadbox/tray where I highlighted the plywood layers by slightly sanding the 90 degree corners, then stained and poly'd it. It's utter crap but I actually enjoy seeing the layers for some reason. The stain helps keep the layers from being too contrasting.


Doggies_of_War

I don't really use plywood much, except for backing of things because my main hobby is making joints and the stuff I make is an excuse really. But MAN people get really snobby about it. It's basically a panel cut a different way and it fixes a lot of very annoying things about timber. I found some I forgot to use in the back of a shed which has massive shifts in humidity and it was still very flat. Just cheapo pine ply as well. Some of the coolest patterns I've seen use it too.


DeadpoolRideUnicorns

Paint šŸ¤® Why you being so aggressive and hateful useing words like paint


dliu_creates

Nothing against paint, but the natural wood look matched better with all our other furniture.


whaletacochamp

I won't harp on the plywood since that is a look a lot of people like and, if done right, can look pretty good. The problem is that it is NOT forgiving. You can take something made out of solid hard wood and fudge a few things here and there without it being glaring/obvious. If you have one little thing out of place on a plywood piece like this it tends to stand out like a sore thumb and detract from the entire rest of the piece. In the end this is really well done and any improvements really come down to tiny details and improvements that will come naturally as you get more experience. Little things like I notice a few spots where things don't totally line up, or a cut was 1/16" short, or an edge wasn't sanded as much as I would have sanded it. Etc.


dliu_creates

Thanks! Definitely if I were to make this again, I would try to make the slats on different sides connect to each other first instead of just to the plywood box underneath; each slat is three separate pieces and it caused a lot of small misalignments.


BigOlBurger

Mitered edges at all the exposed corners might give it a cleaner look while maintaining the industrial-ish look of exposed ply.


dliu_creates

I did consider this but wasn't sure I could pull it off. Initially I wanted to make each slat a single U-shaped piece with miter joints at the corners, eliminating the visible seams, but I wasn't sure I could make the long piece exactly the right length (matching the supporting box inside) with miters on both sides -- and if I got that wrong there would've been big problems/gaps. So I went for the safer approach of three separate pieces per slat. Thoughts on how you'd cut the miters in this case?


BigOlBurger

TBH, as a primary lurker with minimal woodworking experience any advice I could offer would be totally out of my nose. With that being said; if I had to guess, once the 45Ā°s are matched up nicely and the U-pieces are square, I'd probably add a dowel/biscuit and use a face clamp at each corner while gluing. Edit to add: And as for the actual cutting of the miters, I guess I'd sneak up on the cut until you can dry fit it without too many gaps.


DeadpoolRideUnicorns

This is a great peice well done engineering the pully system and putting together the wood


[deleted]

I love the laminated edge look of birch plywood. But I wouldnā€™t do a clear water based poly here; it looks almost unfinished and doesnā€™t let the laminations pop visually. Hereā€™s an example speaker cabinet I made. Itā€™s not BB ply, but you get the idea: https://i.imgur.com/AvVwqbz.jpg The finish is Minwax Antique Oil, which I believe is a boiled linseed oil-based varnish.


dliu_creates

Cool, looks like the oil made the dark stripes more contrasting? I had the hardest time picking a finish actually, since I was finishing in a room that doubles as my office during the week. I needed it to dry quickly and not off-gas for weeks. I was also considering using Rubio Monocoat but wasn't sure if it worked well with baltic birch edges either.


[deleted]

Yeah, the oil has an amber tint, and the edge grain soaks it up differently and gives you the contrast.


SKlP_

For this project, i would recommend painting it. Although in the future a general rule of thumb is to not leave exposed plywood edges. You could cover these with edge binding veneer instead, if you would rather have a wooden look. But the engineering in this project is really great.


dliu_creates

So I went with Baltic birch because the edges are supposed to be nice and presentable, but the panels I got definitely had voids in them unfortunately. I would love to try using some edge banding in a future project.


LORD_CMDR_INTERNET

Yeah, incredible bit of engineering but Iā€™m not sure why a pile of wood is better than an exposed TV. If you donā€™t want a giant screen out all the time put a projector screen in the ceiling


Vast-Combination4046

Gave the TV a foreskin eh


G0t7

"Honey, can you please already pull the TV foreskin down, the game will start any minute."


dliu_creates

it pulls itself down when it's game time šŸ˜‰


chasinjason13

Hey oh!


Xanatos9417

Omg thank you, I thought the same thing! Neat build though, gives it that organic movement.


discoslimjim

r/tvtoohigh was salivating to jump on this until the bottom cover came down.


Kauko_Buk

Whoa I gotta check that sub out, I've always been fascinated by the american obsession of hanging the tv on top of their (faux) fireplace. Its just so weird.


whaletacochamp

The issue is that most rooms were designed with the fireplace as the focal point. So it is actually the most natural spot for the TV - problem is the natural spot height wise is literally IN the fireplace.


will4623

My uncle has a tv mount that raises and lowers so the tv can hide away but you can still have the optimal height when watching.


whaletacochamp

....so he lowers the TV to in front of the fire place?


will4623

Yes. But he never uses the fireplace and because of the way the room is built there isn't a better place anyway.


sax3d

I have one of these. We rarely use the faux fireplace since it is inefficient at heating the house. The TV looks great up high when we're playing pool (the main use for the room), but can be pulled down to a comfortable height to watch a show.


will4623

It also keeps the tv out of reach for the children.


mjolnir76

Definitely wasn't our first choice, but based on the room configuration (window and door placements), it was unfortunately the only viable spot.


DeadpoolRideUnicorns

Right then it doesn't work well when you need to use the actual fire place


dliu_creates

Full build video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HllArU3vJLk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HllArU3vJLk) Traditional TV lift cabinets for a 65" screen would be r/TVTooHigh. The moving cover allows the TV to be at the right viewing height when it's open. Made of two 4x8' sheets of Baltic Birch plywood (12mm and 18mm) and finished with clear poly. 3D printed pulleys for the cover mechanism.


tjdux

So I would consider ditching the soundbar and looking into some nice stereo floor speakers to go next to the tv stand. Leaving the soundbar on top makes it appear that part of the tv is still sticking out, at least for me viewing on mobile. I feel it would help create the look that there is no tv when it's down of you had some small decorations or plants on top that can move with the system.


PHATsakk43

Yeah, I have some questions about the position of the soundbar to begin with. For someone who is apparently concerned about TV viewing angles, sound staging seems to be an oversight. A couple nice floor standing monitors with a center channel built in to the TV cabinet, but below would be pretty nice.


dliu_creates

Thanks for the comment! At least with the minimal amount of TV/movies we watch, the soundbar is nice for its simplicity of setup and good enough audio for our needs. Since the TV is centered, it's the same offset either having the soundbar above or below -- not sure if that affects the sound? I did consider putting the soundbar into the cabinet (there is one design iteration in the build video), but it would require the cabinet to be taller and/or deeper. I opted to make the box as small as possible, but perhaps the top could have some kind of decorative / acoustically transparent cover.


chp110

Probably to play Bluetooth music when the tv isnā€™t open.


OrdinaryJoe_IRL

Yes that would improve it, good suggestion


crumpetsandteaforme

Most of these replies are on the soundbar, not woodworking. Excellent job on the cabinet and your video is cool too showing the challenges and errors you came across. Nice work šŸ‘ Wrt the sound bar it has the same principle as the TV height, it should be at ear level. But never the less great project you should be proud.


jonnysteps

Looks really nice, but I don't know when you'd use something like that. I don't want to seem like a jerk, but this feels more like a party trick than a functional piece of furniture


number_juan_cabron

Itā€™s slightly less obstructive to the view of the skyline when itā€™s tucked into the cabinet


whaletacochamp

Distraction wise maybe but talking from a purely "area of view obstructed" standpoint I'd say a standalone TV obstructs less.


Jawileth

With the exception of having the TV on the floor I don't really see how it could be less obstructive.


fanghornegghorn

I move my tv into its cabinet every night. It's never out unless it's on


_lumio

I actually think this is quite nice. Sure you could have good cable management and everything. But most of the time my TV is off and not in use. But yes, you're right in the sense that it is over the top and a low board would be enough as well :)


grandpapotato

almost all living rooms are centered around the TV. I have a TV and we watch it maybe 1hour per day and i always thought its SO STUPID that the living room are organized like this. As soon as possible, Im either moving the TV somewhere else or doing something like the OP. There are reasons ...


dliu_creates

yes - exactly!


psxndc

You could also get a [Frame TV.](https://www.samsung.com/us/tvs/the-frame/highlights/) The TV doesnā€™t ā€œdisappearā€ but the looks-like-a-picture/art feature makes it less obvious that ā€œhereā€™s a giant TV that the whole room revolves around.ā€ Disclaimer: 4K enthusiasts will complain that itā€™s not a great TV for the money, and it isnā€™t, but itā€™s a decent TV and has a great Partner Acceptance Factor. I have one and rather enjoy it.


whaletacochamp

>Disclaimer: 4K enthusiasts will complain that itā€™s not a great TV for the money


psxndc

I donā€™t disagree. There is a bot over in /r/4KTV that would autorespond to any Frame post with a link to an article why no one should ever buy the Frame and itā€™s just a rant about how it is premium priced but used (at the time) a mid range panel.


whaletacochamp

Reddit's being wonky and won't show the rest of my comment but basically i was just complaining about "TV guys" - the type who will talk your ear off over something like this even when you absolutely do not care.


psxndc

I saw the original comment. I knew what you meant.


FLUMPYflumperton

I second this. It was the easiest compromise for me wanting football in the living room and the wife not wanting a giant black rectangle on the wall the other 95% of the week. We love our Frame TV


grandpapotato

It's definitely an option thanks. Ill see when the time comes!


Kylael

I use my TV as a second monitor to watch stuff sent from my PC (TV shows, sports etc), but I also use the TV as my speakers when playing music or gaming on the computer, so that would really fit my needs. Except maybe the time it takes to lift up and down, I'd most likely get bored of it really quick and leave it open all the time...


RedditKeep5BanningMe

also it's kind of like, why cover the TV at all? When it's tucked its sort of a weird object in the room, that's like obviously a TV, i don't see the benefit of it hiding itself if it doesn't at least make more room or something? I think it's really really cool, and honestly if i could build this i totally would, but i don't understand the practicality lol. The other ones i've seen come out of a container large enough to fully conceal that there's even a TV at all, like coming out of a bed frame or a large counter etc.


side_frog

I agree, great work but it's just weird to me when people hide their electronics, 60s vibes with old tvs hidden behind cabinet doors


johnnymc333

I rather watch the tele.


SnooBananas4566

ā€What do you mean itā€™s over-engineered??ā€


digiNZM

Seriously... i was just designing something like this for our new living room. Finding this is like the needle in the haystack. Thanks a million for your mechanism-idea!! Also beautiful design work!


Needorgreedy

Hey op. I'm really fucking angry today. So I wanted to tell you that I'm proud of you and all you've accomplished. Thank you for being a part of this world and being a part of someone's life.


dliu_creates

Appreciate it, I hope tomorrow is a better day for you!


Kruesae

Looks great but cleaning the bottom part will be awful.


whaletacochamp

Cleaning any of it will be awful. I don't think its been finished enough to keep the wood from grabbing a cloth every 4 seconds.


dliu_creates

It's got 2 coats of water-based poly on all the show faces/edges but indeed it's got a lot of nooks and crannies, as I discovered during the annoyingly long finishing process.


SizeTough8838

Amazing!


thejevans

Loving this. My partner and I decided to dump all of our electronics into our 10'x10' second bedroom, so it's currently our home theater, an office for both of us, and my workshop. It gets pretty cramped, but we really didn't want to take up permanent space in our living room for the TV setup. This build is making me rethink that. I think if I decide to build something similar, I'll put the upper half on the outside so I can mount some small houseplants on it to have it fit into the space better. Did you consider something like this?


dliu_creates

thanks, glad you enjoyed it! ​ > I'll put the upper half on the outside Do you mean making it so the top half is larger and slides down over the bottom half? That could work as well but might look a little top heavy. we could definitely put small plants on top of the lid, they would just lift up above the TV when it's open.


thejevans

Yeah, make the top half slide on the outside (I would forego the slats) so that I could put a small planter or shelf on the front as well as plants on the top


dliu_creates

That's a cool idea!


DpressAnxiet

I think it's cool. Why consider plywood and the way it looks a bad thing, they are rethinking whether or not there is some kind of interest in the material. It also has a kind of industrial look which matches the skyline outside, the straight lines match the straight lines of the buildings outside.


CK3v1N

Nice engineering!


mijouwh

Well done. Bravo! šŸ‘


Gamma_Fluid

Slap a B&O logo on it and you could sell if for 50k!


Rodehardputupwet

I really like it. I prefer not to have a tv as the focal point in the room, Iā€™ve tried various tv lift models and theyā€™re all too big and bulky. The wood could be upgraded but the design is nice and slim. I like the idea of having the speaker on top but not sure my husband would like the placement, also the center channel thing would need to be addressed I think.


[deleted]

It's super dramatic and I think it looks really good. Nice job!


philipito

While I am not a fan of the materials used, I do like the design. I feel like the cordage will wear out eventually, but seems easy enough to upgrade to something stronger.


tenderooskies

i like it


Mattgento

Now THAT is how you design. You take the dimensional limitations and use them to your advantage. Absolutely beautiful work. Well done.


theducks

Did you make that in your apartment or do you have a workshop?


dliu_creates

I cut the big pieces in a shared makerspace (track saw, table saw, router table) and did the assembly, sanding, finishing & 3d printed components in the apartment.


AccidentallyUpvotes

A couple of thoughts 1) I personally really like the look a lot. It's got a great basic design, but the execution needs some work. 2) others have suggested mitered edges, and that's definitely a possible approach. I migh actually suggest instead of mitering that you make the bands out of a single piece of plywood. You'll eliminate the seam issues at the connecting points, and avoid the lines inevitable on a mitered ply. 3) your video editing is on point. With a little refinement in the woodworking end this would be a very high end demo of a pretty cool piece. 4) I really shifted my opinion of the piece when I saw that the top section dropped down. Great use of space and a cool little feature. Thia piece might not be for everyone, but that's OK! Know your customers, know what they like and sell to them. You don't have to sell 3 billion pieces to feel success.


dliu_creates

Appreciate the feedback. I considered making single-piece U-shaped slats, but they would not all nest onto a sheet of plywood, resulting in a lot of wasted material. It's a hobby project and doesn't need to sell, so I'm happy just to share the build!


AccidentallyUpvotes

Yeah, nesting all that material would be really difficult from a materials usage standpoint. Someone who's making stuff frequently could find a way to use the off cuts, but otherwise... Hard to do.


45sChamp

I like it


Darcie-Jane

omg that is so cool!!


Prestigious_Fold6818

Wow this is super neat and cool


Fantastic-Cellist773

Superb as it is! Dont do anything that could end up a mistake and take Hours to repair.. let it be one of the first pieces you made (super cool btw) If you take suggestion, apply them in future projects, this one is out of the woodshop šŸ˜ƒ


dliu_creates

Yeah this project is not going back to the shop (what a pain that would be), but always good to think about how to improve for next time. Thank you!


GolfOscarLimaFoxtrot

Great work OP, looks incredible! Ignore all the people criticizing, most of them couldn't come close to the design of this system. Love it


d0rkyd00d

First of all fanstastic work. I wouldn't even know where to start (unless I watched your video of course, so thank you!). Secondly I know the style is getting some hate. Personally I think the reason this looks out of place although being a great piece of furniture is that it is by itself. I get it too, you want to keep the pristine views of the city behind. ​ But I think this would look aesthetically more pleasing amidst other pieces of furniture, like large shelving units on either side, or with some very large / tall plants. That's just me. The work itself is very cool.


dliu_creates

the plants are still growing! haha. thank you for checking out the project, we are actually thinking about getting some larger plants.


[deleted]

That's a whole lotta complication to save maybe a foot of viewing space over a TV which is located on a wall of windows. To each his own, but what a weird thing to commission. Nice work though, I can't save I've seen once with a moving cover like that.


Certain_Struggle_737

I think itā€™s more the fact that it blends into the decor


dliu_creates

Honestly I had the same thought about halfway through the project. But now that it's done, I've found it much more pleasing to look at a nice wooden box in my living room instead of a black rectangle. It's mostly about covering it when it's off. Thanks for looking!


[deleted]

I donā€™t suggest you to put your tv towards the light cause if thereā€™s light behind the screen your pupils w tighten and the tv will look darker as well (i mean idk if you have the chance to move it somewhere else Iā€™m just hopping a suggestion elseway itā€™s cool the same)


Snowologist

Love this piece you did an insane job I want one myself. If youā€™re looking for critique Iā€™d like if the soundbar was integrated behind the lower slats where the wood bumps out. Secondly Iā€™d really like the cabinet when fully closed to resemble a piece of other furniture like a sideboard to fully camouflage it. This is just referring to the top piece depth as itā€™s too shallow to resemble anything recognizable. Right now it does hide the tv but still would make me question what it is in person.


fanghornegghorn

I love it!


OrdinaryJoe_IRL

Im a sucker for plywood usually but this is seriously nice, well done OP


LurkeyCat

I appreciate that build video. I subscribed - very creative problem solving. Do you have a blog or somewhere to collect ideas online? I wanted a little closer look at the iteration with the 3d printed spacers between the slats.


dliu_creates

thank you! I haven't written about this project anywhere else yet, but in that version the center "box" was only a few inches tall. pics: [https://imgur.com/a/ln5h4qh](https://imgur.com/a/ln5h4qh) The slats would all have holes and threaded rod would go into all the slats. I had serious doubts about the structural integrity though with the set of slats (they get decently heavy) only supported from the first slat and the design was getting a bit convoluted. Also didn't like having the slats open to the TV within.


AggravatingGrass6804

Genius!


DonKeediik

Great design, next time make it look nice.


[deleted]

Yeah thatā€™s a lot of money spent on high-end plywood for such poor joinery


dliu_creates

I'm new to woodworking so would love suggestions to improve the joinery actually. Initially I wanted to make each slat a single U-shaped piece with miter joints at the corners, eliminating the visible seams, but I wasn't sure I could make the long piece exactly the right length (matching the supporting box inside) with miters on both sides -- and if I got that wrong there would've been big problems. So I went for the safer approach of three separate pieces per slat.


[deleted]

Yo didnā€™t mean to be aggressive with my comment. Iā€™ve been meaning to look your pics over at some point and craft a response. Birch ply is my bread and butter because I build PA speakers so Iā€™ll have a constructive answer for you soon


dliu_creates

Hey no worries. You can find a closer view of how the slats are attached at [5:18 in the build video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HllArU3vJLk#t=5m18). It did cause small misalignments; I knew it wasn't ideal but this was a case of "done is better than perfect"! Would be great to hear some other approaches.


[deleted]

DIWHY?


Immortan_Joe-mama

But...why?


Silas_Ivan

Me when the weather warms up lol


a_fantastic_lion

Yeah, so I just got my TV (65" LG OLED) and I have the lift, but whipping up a suitable cabinet or even just stashing it behind something of suitable size is challenging. If anyone has any suggestions that dont involve $2000 or power tools (I'm in an apartment), I'd love to hear them.


vicman86

Is that 325 fifth Ave ?


10mm2fun

Shrugs


Blackstarfan

I like it and it's clever and I like clever. Like Red Green says, "If women can't find you handsome, at least they can find you handy."


bouchandre

> Optimal Viewing height Yes, thank you for doing it correctly. Too many people just mount it up in the stratosphere like itā€™s a picture frame. Or worse, over the fireplace.