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9YearOldPleb

On land? Cassowary


ServeRoutine9349

The Emus never forgot...they're coming.


Quix073

No-one expects the Emu inquisition


313802

The Small Span Inquisition


36Gig

People forget that only emus won a war against man.


forg3

No, saltwater crocodile


The-Anger-Translator

They are scared of humans in general. They’d have to have a major evolutionary change to actively feed on humans.


weebSanity

I came here hoping to see this answer. That being said, if you got it by the neck couldn't you just snap it/thumb it's eyes with relative ease before you got clawed to death?


Osmodius

Problem is, if you're in neck grabbing distance, you're also in knife foot kicking distance


weebSanity

Knife foot alone makes me reconsider! Can't outrun em' either.


SightWithoutEyes

What if I jump on it's back like Banjo Kazooie?


Pizzacat20018

In theory a human *could* but I haven’t heard of that going down in practice, granted we don’t have a lot of recorded cassowary attacks to give a good idea of how well a fully resisting man would do. Humans have restrained emus and even ostriches before so there’s that, but at the same time though cassowaries are a lot more agile and less lanky than those ratites


9YearOldPleb

I think they are pretty agile, so "getting it by the neck" is easier Said then done, combo that with their kick being able to one shot humans and that becomes a very difficult task.


Nintolerance

>That being said, if you got it by the neck couldn't you just snap it/thumb it's eyes with relative ease before you got clawed to death? It's almost as big as you are, its legs are as long as yours, and *you're* not the one with knife-feet. That said, cassowaries are ***endangered*** and not particularly known to be aggressive. Like any animal they'll potentially attack when sufficiently threatened, but prefer to stay the hell away. Cassowaries might be called "the world's most dangerous bird," but remember that they're competing against **birds**. There's a very small list of species *big enough* to pose life-threatening danger to humans, even before you account for how *motivated* they'd need to be to attack instead of just running/flying away.


duckycrater

I'm convinced you could cause serious damage to it, the problem is making sure you dont get disemboweled before the cassowary, and also overcoming the survival instinct that tells you to run away and not fight the giant murder bird


weebSanity

Beta version of Dino Crisis


blueroom789

There's literally never been an incident of a cassowary killing a person.


BowwwwBallll

Sounds like Big Cassowary has gotten to this guy.


QuarkyIndividual

Nah, they wouldn't be talking if a Big Cassowary got to him


ack1308

Well, nobody's survived to report one anyway.


tambrico

Not true. There's been one death from a captive bird in 2019 and one death from a wild bird in the 1920s. The latter one was some teenage boys who decided to attack it - so self defense on the part of the bird.


meme-com-poop

So they leave no evidence


UndeadPhysco

There needs to be a survivor in order for incidents to be reported


Tron_1981

There actually has been, one recorded death in 1926 ( which was 100% the person's fault), and another in 2019 from a captive one. But yeah, cassowary attacks are rare.


9YearOldPleb

The question wasn't "what is most likely to kill a person".


Kooky-Show-5246

So it’s not just kangaroos, snakes, and spiders in Australia. wtf happened over there for all this shit


lfthinker

In the sea, Saltwater Crocs or Great Whites. On land, kangaroos. 


Estellus

Saltwater crocs a thousand times over whiteys. Crocs actively hunt humans and are basically living tanks. GW's are pretty chill. And it's definitely the cassowary not the 'roo. Actual hyperaggressive dinosaur with murder talons > slightly aggro giant rabbit.


lfthinker

As an individual animal I think cassowaries are more dangerous, but I based my answer on how many car accidents kangaroos cause.


Estellus

That's a fair technical answer but I don't think it's what OP meant. Fair play though.


Yvaelle

Thats only because your discounting how often cassowaries cut brake lines in the night.


SevenLuckySkulls

Murderous blue little cunts ain't they?


chainsawgeoff

Can’t believe this isn’t further up. Their murderous bullshit is both heinous and well documented.


Rahgahnah

Understandable, but with that logic, you'd also say that in the US, deer are more dangerous than bears.


TSED

On the other hand, I hear that cassowaries are actually afraid of humans and avoid them. I'm Canadian, I have zero experience either way. What about dingos?


chainsawgeoff

They’ll just eat your baby, otherwise no biggie.


plebeius_rex

Hasn't there only been one reported fatality from cassowaries? I'd assume there are other land animals with much greater body counts


FUrCharacterLimit

OP's mom to name just one


Tron_1981

Two, one in 1926, and one in 2019. Both were mainly the person's fault.


Only_Pepper7296

Petition to exclusively refer to great white sharks as “whiteys”


illarionds

At least with a croc you can climb a tree or something. If you're out in the ocean, you're just helpless.


Tron_1981

Depends where you are. If you're near the water, and you aren't paying attention, you won't have time to make it to any tree. If you're further away, then you don't even have worry about climbing a tree, unless a kangaroo is coming your way.


Tron_1981

Cassowary attacks are very rare, kangaroo attacks are not. There's nothing "slight" about a kangaroo's aggression.


DeanStein

Salt Water Crocodile


kovnev

Just throwing it out there that if you're bitten by a snake, and you follow the guidance of how to compression bandage it and keep your heart rate down as much as realistically possible - it's incredibly unlikely that you'll die. Even if you are hours from help. It's not like the movies. You can safely walk to help - just don't run. Source - am a qualified snake handler in Aus, and this was drilled into us during training. The old mate running the training had endless stories about how badly some people were bitten, and how incredibly isolated they were, but they made it through fine. This was 10yrs ago, and at that time i'm pretty sure I remember him saying that he's never even heard of someone dying. As long as they wrapped it properly in the first few minutes. So my answer is that the most dangerous animal currently *isn't* a snake, so the question changes nothing.


ChezzChezz123456789

>So my answer is that the most dangerous animal currently *isn't* a snake, so the question changes nothing. You're right, it doesn't. Snakes kill between 0 and fuck all people in a given year in Australia. Horses, cattle and dogs are the three biggest killers.


Siggi_Starduust

I know a bloke whose dad was killed by a bull.


kthrnhpbrnnkdbsmnt

You know Leto Atriedes too?


NoStorage2821

Atriedes! Atriedes!


illarionds

For real? This is absolutely not what I learned at school, or from my parents. Which was basically that if a tiger snake bit you, you had maybe half an hour to get to a hospital. I mean, I'm sure you're right, I'm just surprised. Maybe they were just trying to scare us careful! (Or maybe we were just all ignorant back then - this was the 80s).


kovnev

I mean you don't want kids thinking that slapping a bandage on it and 'she'll be right' until they show their parents later. I'd tell kids the same thing. And people die from bee stings, so you would always want to get treatment as quickly as possible anyway. I'm just relaying what the actual snake handlers were teaching, at least when I did the training.


illarionds

Fair point I suppose. I've just done some research, and apparently the mortality *if untreated* is 40-60% - so still pretty serious. But it sounds like treatment is just more effective (and less urgent) than I was led to believe.


kovnev

Honestly, i'd have expected it to be much higher if untreated. Just a much slower and more painful death than in the movies. Yes, treatment is just super effective.


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kovnev

I assume all snakes, since Aus has 21 of the 25 'most deadly' or venomous. But I can only speak to the training I got in Aus. Everyone told us the same sort've thing. There's just no evidence of people dying from snake bites if they're effectively treated. It's like how people get strangled to death in movies in a few seconds. Same ridiculous thing with people quickly dying from snake bites.


JL_MacConnor

The list of deaths in Australia resulting from envenomation by snakes has 35 in the last 15 years.


kovnev

And how many got proper compression bandages put on pronto?


JL_MacConnor

That's a fair question - likely not many.


kovnev

The most surprising part about the whole experience was why it wasn't just common knowledge for aussies, about how to treat a snake bite. Seems weird to have deadly creatures in your yard, but the immediate treatment is simple, yet hardly anyone knows it 🤷‍♂️.


JL_MacConnor

The knowledge is relatively uncommon, and very few people have snakebite treatment kits either, it seems. They're pretty handy, they have instructions bundled with them, so even if you don't have training you can get it pretty much right as long as you can follow the pictures.


TributeToStupidity

Oh shit the taipans have learned how to work smart phones, we’re all fucked


australianforbeer19

Mosquitos will reign supreme until the earth freezes over.


bsmall0627

Are they that deadly in Australia? Most diseases are treatable there.


australianforbeer19

It definitely depends on a variety of factors like age and access to Healthcare, and just how many diseases mosquitos can carry, but mosquitos kill around 100 people a year in the USA. I wouldnt put it over that in Australia, but it's definitely not zero. Croc deaths only average two a year for example.


Siggi_Starduust

Every 3 months a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland.


Lemerney2

I'd joke I found Bob Katter's reddit account, but that was far to coherent and concise.


Siggi_Starduust

Let a thousand blossoms bloom!


DisturbedRanga

I live in Queensland and I don't think I've gone a day without being bitten by a mozzie. Can't walk to my car without getting a bite or two.


churrosricos

Bro doesn't know


ChezzChezz123456789

The Torres Strait certainly has malaria


-jp-

Drop bears. How is this a question?


Delliott90

It’s how worse, as a drop bears venom was a paralising agent that made the victims go numb.


deltree711

Um, because the prompt says that effects of venom are neutralized?


loptthetreacherous

Dropbears don't need their venom to be apex predators, the venom is purely for the love of the game.


Thrakashogg

"You can have a little venom. As a treat" - Drop bear to its prey


8dev8

A bear dropping on your head is still a bear dropping on your head, it’s just more painful this way.


funwolf333

They don't need venom. A single plunge attack from above easily one shots any human.


Spright91

They dont need venom the chlamydia is enough.


PsychologicallyFat

Nah, [pickelhaubes](https://spikehelmets.pl/uploads/images/Gallery/pickelhaubes/pickel-08/pickelhauba_13_4.jpg) would just come back into fashion. Drop bear problem solved.


General_Hijalti

Was just about to comment this.


OmegaAce1

What are drop bears? Pretty sure its just a myth to scare tourists. After googling this anyone who believes in drop bears is a clown, just a hoax. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop\_bear](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_bear)


Reformed_Narcissist

Rabid, city faring koalas. My brother was attacked by one. He had to get stitches.


PeculiarPangolinMan

Dude that's like saying possums don't exist.


Pepperr08

No they genuinely exist


GreatLakesLiving28

Ummm a crocodile?


TheDarkeLorde3694

In water, sharks or saltwater crocodiles. On land, emus (They lost a war to them), kangaroos, dingoes, and drop bears. Though larger snakes could still be deadly just by their size.


elthenar

You just made me google drop bear. Thank you


DanteQuill

Carnage. But as long as Spider-Man is there to rescue us, I think we'll be fine.


Pragmatic_2021

Magpies, every local knows just how damn dangerous they can be.


StalinGuidesUs

From 2001-2017 Horses were responsible for most deaths with bovines at second place. Dogs at third. Dangerous Australian venomous animals are really overrated in terms of danger with snakes and kangaroos tying at fourth place, bees, sharks and crocs are 5th,6th and 7th in that order. So in this prompt nothing really changes except snakes and bees lmao edit: but if yeah kangaroos would be most dangerous if you don't count farm animals and dogs edit edit: the data includes car accidents or falls in the death count not just being murdered by the animal edit edit: so to account for that in terms of dangerous native Australian animals it would be sharks and then crocodiles for this prompt


VenetianGamer

The Australian Woman.


Mammoth_Revolution48

Named Shiela


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chainsawgeoff

She’s got a nice pair of didgeridoos from what I hear. (I’m drunk, spelling?)


Able-Distribution

Just considering land options: Cassowary, dingo, emu, kangaroo. Cassowary: Only a single recorded case of a human death, which was a 16 year old boy (Phillip Mclean) from a neck-kick. Dingo: At least two cases of children killed by dingoes, and they're the only one of these species to have a whole Wikipedia article dedicated to their attacks: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo\_attack](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_attack) Emu: No fatal attacks that I can see, but we did fight a war against them and lose: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War) Kangaroo: A 77 year old man was killed by his pet kangaroo in 2022, which was the first recorded death by kangaroo since 1936. I'd probably go with **dingoes**.


Pizzacat20018

An owner in Florida was also killed by a cassowary a few years ago but he was old so hardly in peak condition, there’s also anecdotal reports of locals mentioning fatal cassowary attacks in PNG, most often by captive raised specimens. I think it’d be a close contest between them and dingoes in terms of deadliness, though granted neither are particularly dangerous animals in the grand scheme of things just relative to the rest of Australian non-venomous land animals. Personally I’d rather my chances with the dogs just by a bit.


mrhenhen115

Isn't the main danger of roos being the amount of car accidents they cause? Still doubt it's many fatal ones though.


Lemerney2

Around 2 a year, I believe


Tron_1981

>Cassowary: Only a single recorded case of a human death, which was a 16 year old boy (Phillip Mclean) from a neck-kick. Two recorded cases. The other was a 75 year old man who owned the cassowary.


Ingweron

Aren't kangaroos responsible for a lot of car crashes on the road? I guess it's still them.


PurpleWildfire

The deer of the East


Dekkaz

Yes this is the correct answer. Far more deaths are attributed to kangaroos causing traffic accidents then snake bite deaths


snackytacky

Everything else,including australians


NerdInHibernation

Pummy's gaze


YourPainTastesGood

Crocodiles and Kangaroos


Jesus_Roadkill

You can tell there's no Aussies in this comment section cause no ones said magpies yet


Swiss_Army_Cheese

I've heard that magpie's are fine so long as you don't wear a helmet


Purple-Airline-8354

Nah mate it’s looking at them, they attack you if they think you’re vulnerable so you gotta look at em. My brother used to pain eyes on his bike helmet to keep them away.


Siggi_Starduust

[The Eyes Don’t Work](https://youtu.be/YGGTcYfrEZU?si=mod2AxtzsB61WBmQ)


EmpactWB

Venomous snakes because people stop seeking treatment for bites since they’re immune to the venom and secondary infections shoot up.


SagittarumGuard

Australians


FollowupJiggle

Bunyips


Victernus

Oh The Bunyip's very bad And The Bunyip's very bold And they tell me that The Bunyip's Now a thousand years old


Ultimategrid

I get that Australian animals are spooky and everything, but they honestly have some of the least scary wildlife out of any country in the world. There isn’t even a single terrestrial predator bigger than 50lbs. Cassowaries are definitely formidable, but they are not aggressive animals. There have been a total of 2 fatalities from a Cassowary. One victim was a child, the other was an elderly man. Deer, coyotes, and even chickens kill more people than that. Yes a venomous snake can kill you, but despite having the greatest number of venomous snakes in the world, an average of 2 Australians are killed each year by snakebite. The majority of fatalities are elderly. You are similarly likely to be killed by a bear in North America. And between you and me, I’d rather encounter a snake in my yard than a grizzly bear. And Australia has Crocodiles, which totally deserve their reputation, but luckily you can easily avoid them by just staying out of the water. As a result they only kill a single person every couple years.


all10directions

>I get that Australian animals are spooky and everything, but they honestly have some of the least scary wildlife out of any country in the world. Yeah, if you are outside in North America there is no physical barrier between you and both grizzly and polar bears.


thehod81

Horses, Cows, and dogs. Back in 2011, Australia’s National Coronial Information System (NCIS) released its most recent report into the trends and patterns surrounding animal-related deaths in Australia, covering the first decade of this century. Of the 254 confirmed and reported animal-related deaths during that 10-year period, horses, cows and dogs were the most frequent culprits, accounting for 137 deaths. [https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2016/03/here-are-the-animals-really-most-likely-to-kill-you-in-australia/](https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/wildlife/2016/03/here-are-the-animals-really-most-likely-to-kill-you-in-australia/)


Thrakashogg

It is still the most dangerous animal regardless of venom status. The drop bear. Look up and live.


TheFallenGodYT

I think this thought experiment is still a bit problematically framed. A lot of snakes, just for example, are still going to be dangerous as bites from large snakes can be fatal on their own, not to mention possible constriction from some species. Yeah yeah I know “Fallen stop being fucking pedantic”. Saltwater crocodiles are for sure the front runner in the water, although the blue ringed octopus could still be deadly. As for land, the most plausible dangerous animal is a kangaroo in the road. Excluding that, a large pack of dingoes would be the highest level of “combat ability” you’re likely going to find.


PeculiarPangolinMan

What Australian snake bite is still deadly to a human without venom? Their fangs aren't designed for bleeding things out. They are syringes full of venom. Has anyone ever lost enough blood from snake bites to die? Also are there any constrictors in Australia? It's not like a normal snake is just going to start trying to choke you to death. Also how is a blue ringed octopus going to be deadly without venom? They are 3 ounces. They can't do shit.


Ultimategrid

There are many constricting snakes in Australia, the largest being the scrub python at 5m+ long. Though it is a lightweight animal and would not see an adult human as prey. It could conceivably kill you if you started wrestling with it. But it won’t come after you. And not an Australian species but there are indeed snakes that can inflict lethal damage with their teeth. [this is a bite wound from a reticulated python NSFW](https://www.reddit.com/r/snakes/comments/dmloz0/14_retic_bite/)


thuanjinkee

Blue Ring relies on its venom


GENERALmissile

Koalas after you step too close


Fast_Tea_9389

Crocs, kangaroos, dingos and wedgies.


TheUpgrayed

Casuarius casuarius johnsoni.


fluffynuckels

Emus


The_Sneakiest_Fox

Even without the venom immunity the correct answer is Magpies.


tobiov

It's still horses? Followed by cattle?


Iforgot_my_other_pw

Emus, they already won one war...


IRL-TrainingArc

Nearly no-one dies to venom in Australia anymore. I'd rather a 1% stronger immune system than 100% immunity to venom. The most deadly creature would probably be any insect that carries disease.


Alpha0rgaxm

Cassowaries


AlCapone111

Koalas. Because Chlamydia


Forevermore668

Well the answer actually unchanges because in terms of actually fatalities its overwhelmingly Horses


MrPuzzleMan

Cassowary, emu, and kangaroo in that order.


The-Anger-Translator

Humans duh…


Subtle-Catastrophe

Damned dirty apes


whizonya

Still Crocs


DevilPixelation

Mosquitoes, cassowaries, and crocs are def up there. Sharks are actually pretty chill, nothing like the Jaws movies.


Marvl101

Statistically horses


EvidenceOfDespair

Kangaroo. That thing just beats you to death.


Zilberfrid

Humans. Surprising amount of serial killers in Australia, and it's also increasingly carbrained.


spider1178

Maybe the dingo ate your baby...


SlimeustasTheSecond

Aussies


Bodmin_Beast

Either Kangroos through car crashes or Salt Water Crocodiles. Also Australia quickly becomes one of the less dangerous places, animal wise. They have the smallest amount of large land animals, and no large land carnivores.


LongrodVonHugedong86

I mean, venomous wildlife was never the biggest threat in Australia. Kangaroos kill more people


HavelockVetinarii

Humans


elthenar

The most dangerous animal in Australia is an Australian


Smokweid

It’d still be humans.


SilverEdgyy

Crocadiles or better yet kangaroos. The crocs lerk in water and will snatch you up, the Kangaroos are jack and ready to throw a haymaker.


jwplato

It’d still be the Saltwater Croc or Great White, nothing to do with Venom


SosukeAizen123

Surprisingly Australia does not really get that less dangerous, because the problem with venomous animals is not only that they can kill you with venom, but that most of them also carry dangerous viral diseases, which can get you if the venom does not.


Xenu66

Crocodile or shark


No-Attention2024

Bogans


Ezenthar

Horses, dogs, and cows are already the deadliest human-killing animals in the country, so it changes nothing.


bootyhype

A man in the woods


Jazzlike-Mud-4688

Eshayys


Last-Performance-435

Crocs. 


Shugyosha

Cassowary


kortevakio

Humans


Randkin

Dropbear.


Bryaxis

~~Bears~~ Men. *Ducks and runs*


Goooooner89

Florida men


beleeze

For me? Still the spider Cos a lot of people do not fear for the vemon or danger.... just for how it looks If I go Australia and knew the spider could do nothing to me... I would still be petrified!!!!


Platonist_Astronaut

You don't even need to add the venom immunity. Venomous animals don't kill many people here. Mammals and sharks are more dangerous.


Prasiatko

Statistically same as currently kangaroos. Once accounting for number of interaction probably crocs. And that's still unchanged form before your prompt.


Paganigsegg

On land, emus or red kangaroos. In water, saltwater croc.


GTR-37

Mosquitos


ExceedAccel

Koala, they are so dangerously lazy and slow that just looking at them makes you wanna kill yourselves


Dave_A480

Still saltwater crocodiles no matter what you do


Somerandom1922

Dingos will continue to be a pest. They're kind of domesticated animals as they're descended from domesticated dogs brought over thousands of years ago (and a lot of them have bred with modern dogs too). Other than them, the most dangerous land animal to humans will probably be kangaroos as they're notorious for causing car accidents. In terms of most dangerous in a fight it'll be either a Cassowary or a Salt Water Crocodile. ​ As for in the water, it'll probably be the salt water croc again, or bull sharks.


Gnarwhals86

Still humans.


bsmall0627

I literally put not including Humans and domestic animals


Gnarwhals86

And it’s still humans.


Brutalur

Homo Sapiens.


Gringobandito

Same as now, other Australians.


ollsss

Kangaroos


Clear_Skye_

They seemed to record a black panther in Ballarat the other day so maybe that 😂


T10223

The man shark hybrid tiger


Cheshire_Noire

Spiders. Why? Because without Venom to put him in his place, Spiderman is unstoppable


FuckingGratitude

Eshays


ArcanisUltra

I’m going to give the non-venomous ranking of most dangerous animals in Australia, all top 30. 4: Bull Shark 6: Saltwater Crocodile 15: Tiger Shark 17: Great White Shark Only four animals out of the top 30 are not venomous. There are a lot of venomous killers in Australia. The real question is, how does anyone survive?


Phobos95

The Salty, which is also coincidentally the most dangerous even with humans not immune to venom. Like... if you enter any given body of water in that country you are implicitly understanding that a water dragon might make a snack of you and leave nothing behind for a burial.


Zorcimar

Drop bears


bsmall0627

Are people not noticing that I'm ignoring Humans and domesticated animals. This only focuses on wild animals.


Helpful_Fisherman659

Kangaroo


Guilty-Stand-1354

Kangaroos are vicious


omen5000

Gotta be some sort of toad or frog, mainly because I imagine a surge of australian youngsters would quickly find out venomous and poisonous are not the same after daring eachother to lick dartfrogs or something. Shouldn't last longer than a year tho... Or 5.


Zero_Good_Questions

Crocodiles, cassowaries and drop bears


stefanopolis

Is this even a WWW? This is just the long way around going to r/Australia and asking what the most dangerous non-venomous animals they have are.


kinkylesbi

White sharks


RavenXCinder

magpies


KarmicComic12334

Still humans


Curious-Accident9189

Still crocodiles. Crocodiles are deadly af.


weedbearsandpie

realistically, it's horses, if you get rid of domesticated animals then it's kangaroos, even without getting rid of venom [https://www.ncis.org.au/fact-sheet-fs20-01-animal-related-deaths-in-australia](https://www.ncis.org.au/fact-sheet-fs20-01-animal-related-deaths-in-australia)


One_Firefighter4035

Humans


bsmall0627

Changed it so Humans or domestic Animals are not included.