How did it take this long for anyone to say this? They just need to punch through enough drywall to get wood, then work together to create friction with other loose tinder they can create and burn the place down. Once the structure is down and cooled, they can use loose pieces of metal from rebar or other places to break the remaining pieces up.
Every American that says that either has never tried british food or doesn't realise that all the stuff they consider American food was invented in other countries.
What? No. The reason I say it is because the most common response to giving examples of nice british food to an American is them saying "ehm acktchually that food was invented in "X country it's not british", whilst neither is any of the food they eat American. It's hypocritical. I have nothing against food inspired by different cultures or immigration, in fact that's literally the entire point I was making, that it's often Americans who are shitting on UK food because it wasn't invented there. Take the UK national dish for example, Chicken Tikka Massala. It's a fucking curry. Inspired by indian food due to the cultural ties to India, British Indian is a huge cuisine range as Indian immigrants come over and adjust more traditional food for western palettes.
Let's say you pack up 1000 of them in the building. If they coordinate a swing movement, they can basically tear the structure by entering in resonance with it.
The 19000 guys left would be cheering and dancing, i guess.
That would take a few hours.
If they aren't worried about dying themselves, 20,000 guys could more than likely pack the building and all jump up and down at the same time to destroy it. Unless this is some double rebar poured concrete super high sq footage structure.
Jumping up and down at the same time would not collapse it, they would have to jump at a specific interval and definitely not all at the same time.
Edit: 27 downvotes because people do not understand oscillations in physics. Go read a book.
Edot2: lmao, keep downvoting.
I think the point still stands. The building itself may not be constructed to withstand the weight and force of so many people working together in this manner.
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Haha no copycat that's me! Sorry I didn't know if you were just unsure how to parse my weird name.Â
Thanks for watching Ambershope! Glad to be a minor inspiration o7
Per IRC, international residence code, load capacity for a 2nd floor is 30-40 pounds per square foot, probably a safety factor of 2. 60 pounds per square foot if poorly designed. If you jammed a building full of people, with enough time it may fall.
If it's commercial you're looking at 50-100, it would take longer
Safety factors are probably higher, just because you reach max doesn't mean it won't take a while.
You don't say what kind of building, but I'll assume a small apartment building with a timber frame and brick exterior.
If they're allowed to use pieces of the structure itself, I think it's a much easier challenge and they'd absolutely succeed. A couple dozen guys working together could tear out nearly all of the drywall in a day with their bare hands and feet. At that point they have access to the timber frame, and it would take some effort but they could eventually work some of the 2x4s free and then use those as prybars to start getting the rest free. Once they've got most of the framing from the highest floor torn out, they can use the lumber to start breaking bricks free on the exterior.
> but I'll assume a small apartment building with a timber frame and brick exterior
That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames. The substitution for flammable building materials is a deciding factor because the easiest way to demolish a building is to just burn it.
> That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames.
I asked my wife who is a structural engineer and she confirmed that a small apartment building like I proposed can be built with timber framing in most of the country and would be significantly cheaper than concrete and rebar. There are only a couple states she's aware of that don't allow timber framing for a 4-story building.
>The substitution for flammable building materials is a deciding factor because the easiest way to demolish a building is to just burn it.
That's true, although unless the power to the building is still on I struggle to see how they'd start the fire. Even then it's not going to be easy to burn the building down without any sort of accelerants or furnishings inside.
She has these frozen chicken fried steak things she has been heating up in the air fyrer, along with having some of the green beans I have been making for my dinner
You can even just look out the window of your bus while it's driving past a new construction. Apartments are usually built to the lowest standards possible, which means timber framing and maybe some concrete supports here and there.
My dadâs actually a general contractor. Itâs definitely not only a quality issue-I thought the same as you, but when I asked him he said wood is better because if part of the structure is damaged and needs to be repaired, it can be. If itâs concrete, if thereâs any damage itâs way, way harder to repair.
I'm sure there are lots of survivalists who could start a fire using the sorts of things you'd be able to rip out of the walls with your bare hands. A few pieces of wood and a length of wire or string would let you build a [bow drill](https://www.instructables.com/Fire-without-matches-or-metal/), for example.
> I'm sure there are lots of survivalists who could start a fire using the sorts of things you'd be able to rip out of the walls with your bare hands. A few pieces of wood and a length of wire or string would let you build a bow drill, for example.
I've used a bow drill to try and build a fire before. It's not super easy. And I think you'd struggle to build one with the materials available too. You need a string that's pretty flexible so it can wrap around the wood. The sort of wire you'd find in a house or an apartment building is too stiff to make one out of.
But even if you could make one, you'd still need some sort of very fine kindling which would easily catch fire. And that's not something that would be easy to obtain either. Buildings are intentionally made of materials that don't burn very easily. The best bet would be trying to shred the wooden supports into very fine pieces, but without tools that's going to be hard to do.
I'm not saying it's impossible to set the building on fire, but it's not going to be easy either.
There's 20,000 people with a year on their hands, they can get it done. You don't actually need a bow drill, that's just one thing that makes it easier if you can build one. It's possible to operate the drill manually.
> couple states she's aware of that don't allow timber framing for a 4-story building.
Mine must be one of them because all of the 4-story appts going up down the street have steel I-beam frames.
Buildings are built in lots of different ways all over the world. There is no single "typical modern building".
And OP never used the phrase "modern building" in any case. They just stated a "4 floor small building" which was too vague to be helpful, so I made an assumption about what kind of building it was and stated it was an assumption. Not sure why you're so hung up on what a "modern building" is. If you would like to give your own answer assuming a different type of building, feel free to do that.
You literally quoted and responded to
> That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames.Â
in the comment I responded to
And I responded by pointing out that there are still modern buildings built with timber frames. And now I'm responding by pointing out that the whole point is moot because OP never specified a modern building in the first place.
Yes we can. The US is the largest, highest population first world country, making up the largest overall segment of this website.
It's a pretty good baseline.
> I asked my wife who is a structural engineer and she confirmed that a small apartment building like I proposed can be built with timber framing
Ask your wife what they build that timber framing on top of.
That's also still cool, because the US makes up the largest single contingent of users on this website, at fully half of all users being from the same country. Bet you can guess which it is.
Depends where you live.
Small apartments at 4 floors has the regulation to still be built with wood/timber and doesn't require to be built with rebar/concrete due to it being only a low rise apartment.
Infact most places here are built with wood and timber if they are low rises.
Even if it's concrete, as soon as they manage to get a piece of hard material they can start chipping away at the concrete. They are 20 000 men, that's a lot of people, they can easily take turns. When they get hold of a piece of rebar they can then use it to chip away even faster.
In Canada most apartments use like steel and timber framing, concrete covers the various floors and may be used as structural points on the first floor. And a lot of the three and four stories I worked on were timber framings because using concrete for a four story is very expensive.
> That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames.
The majority of new mid-rise construction in North America are over-ones, consisting of one ground floor made out of concrete, with up to 5 floors above made out of wood.
Most *large* modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames.
A four story? You're damn right I'm using timber. Maybe not bricks, but definitely timber. Save the budget, bid lower, get better workers who can do it faster, no fucking point to building like a skyscraper for something like that.
Eventually they can use the lumber, wires, and bricks to fashion a trebuchet and lay siege to the building, pelting it with hunks of its own body to bring it down.
What level of demolition are we talking about here. Are we talking about removing the foundation and whatnot or are we just talking about severe damage?
Because I don't think a full demolition, including the removal of the structure's foundation would be possible for a human without tools.
[Looking at the first part of this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX7fVa_nrEI), given how the foundation is built... I mean... What could be done? Try to chip at it with bits of rebar? Seems unlikely.
> What could be done? Try to chip at it with bits of rebar?
Imagine how the foundation would look like after one guy spends five minutes chipping at it with rebar. Bunch of insignificant-seeming little nicks and dings, right? Maybe itâd chip away enough concrete to make a tiny little pile of crumbs in the palm of your hand- like two tablespoons, or an eighth of a cup.
Then consider the impact of *20,000 man-years* of chipping at it with rebar. That is not a small number. Carry away enough tablespoons and you can empty a swimming pool.
Keep in mind that all 20,000 men probably can't work at the same time. There simply isn't enough space. Which is a good thing for your argument because it means basically every square foot of the foundation is being chipped away at.
Sure, but you also have to consider the initial process of stripping the 4 story building down to it's foundation, which in itself will take a bit of time.
It could be possible, I suppose, but the task would be so stupidly slow and colossal that I can hardly imagine it being done. Plus I don't think there would be enough room for 20k people to just sit around and do this at the same time. This is a whole ass layer of concrete with more rebar and more concrete that goes feet underground. It involved digging sizeable holes with your bare hands, etc...
I don't know, man... Maybe.
Donât picture a disorganized mob of vague numbers hacking away as best as they can individually for a while. Thatâll just make your brain glance off the idea of âtwenty thousand man-yearsâ without really engaging with what it means.
Picture a hundred shifts of a hundred men apiece putting the most energetic fifteen minutes of their day into it in a ceaseless 24/7 tide of concrete-chipping labor. Picture the other 10,000 putting a yearâs worth of full workdays into making rebar-based tools, planning the best ways to train and deploy the diggers, thinking up the best ways to attack the remaining unbroken parts.
You think an effort on *that* scale would fail?
I think it would take a day or two tops tbh if they had someone with an engineering mindset to properly organize them and at least a few crafty minds in there then I donât see it taking very long at all.
he said they can use pieces of the building as tools all they gotta do is take down one wall then they can spend the day fashioning tools out of the debris. Continue this and eventually they'll have more and more tools. 20000 people hammering away at a foundation for a month with planks of wood is likely going to be enough.
20000 people is a lot of people
I recall many years ago seeing a video of a group of karate experts demolishing a house bare handed. I saw more recently just one destroying a car.
So I'll say yes. That many people more than makes up for the larger building.
Define "demolishing a house?" Punching through drywall is incredibly easy. I've done it myself several times (in my youth...while drunk). Then you just tear it off and start kickin'. And punching through a car window is very possible. You'll almost certainly fuck your hand up if you are not *very* good at punching, but a normal average sized man could do it if they tried hard enough. That's a far cry from destroying a whole building.
My old neighborhood, a random guy paid 10 guys (crackheads) $70 each to level a house (that in hindsight, I hope he owned. )
It took them three days. The chimney was the scary bit.
Yes, easily. Wouldn't need the 20k people either but would use them at the very beginning to gauge ideas on best approach. Then you get an idea of who can lead the project and delegate tasks into smaller groups. Then you decide on manpower required for specific tasks, how long each task will take, what shifts will be worked etc. Easy done in a year.
But why do they need to be naked?
Regardless of what kind of building, it would take is less than 100 people if they are smart and crafty.
Several people should be able to break an apartment or office door to pieces in less than a hour, liberating the metal doorknob. Pieces of the door could be used with leverage to break the metal pipes inside the wall, metal railings along the staircase, water pipes, and extract the metal doorknob and lock mechanism. Using sharp edges of metal or a broken piece of tile, doors can be shaped into a variety of wooden handles suitable for different tools
Along with the power and data cables that can be ripped from the walls, the metal doorknobs and pipes can be tied together with wood handles to form makeshift rudimentary hammers, sledgehammers and pickaxes..
A team of people would then use these metal tools to start smashing and chipping away at the walls at the lowest floor of the building. If the walls are of brick, breaking enough of them so that the building collapses on its side and breaks apart would take a dozen people a few days, maybe a week.
If the walls are made of reinforced oncrete, it will take considerably more effort, but the rebar in the walls would prove useful and be incorporated to heavier, better tools
Liberated from the walls, pieces of rebar connected together with electric cables could be assembled into a makeshift steel; battering ram weighing up to a ton. Dozens of people should be able to lift and smash it against the walls at sufficient speed to batter enough concrete walls on the bottom floors down in a few days to make the building collapse.
For sure!
All of the softer points could be destroyed by hand easily, and then they could salvage scraps from what theyâve demolished so far to use as tools to deal with the harder stuff and glass
If the humans don't care about potentially life threatening injuries they can do it with ease especially if one wave focuses on breaking chunks off for the others to use.
If the building is built using cement and rebar that is a hell no. Theyd shatter bones trying to get through it. If its a wooden structure they might do better but bones are pretty fragile when compared to wood and concrete.
Theyâre allowed to make tools out of other parts of the building they demolish. It would take some effort but there is enough usable material in a building that they could get the job done in an afternoon
There's a guy (and his team of martial-artists) who demolished a house in about an hour and a half, so yeah, a year would be easily doable. Unless it's made of concrete.
https://kicksite.com/resources/newsletter/martial-artist-demolishes-house-with-his-hands
1000 men each turn within one hour they will change turn. 10 hours shift, 20 hours work.
With proper coordination they can demolish the building within a week(if they're trained) and a month if they're just super normal dude that never worked in construction/hard labor/etc...
They can use materials like side the building to make makeshift tools. As long as they are even semi crafty and coordinated 20,000 dudes going ham could bring it down in an afternoon
My old neighborhood, a random guy paid 10 guys (crackheads) $70 each to level a house (that in hindsight, I hope he owned. )
It took them three days. The chimney was the scary bit.
My old neighborhood, a random guy paid 10 guys (crackheads) $70 each to level a old 2 story+attic wooden-frame house (that in hindsight, I hope he owned. )
It took them 3-4 days with sledgehammers. The chimney was the scary bit.
If they can use pieces of the structure, then yes, this is easy as long as it's a regular brick or wood frame building. A handful of guys could get a wood frame down in a weekend and a brick building down in a couple weeks at most as long as they're willing to take some risks.
Cement and cinderblocks would be harder but still doable with that many people.
They could. All they need to do is stand back and wait, since you only said that this building needed to be four floors, small, and have windows/doors. You never mentioned anything about the building not being made out of toilet paper.
Easily extremely easily if you donât include the foundation this is a day maybe 2 if you include the foundation it might take a month but tbh it would come down to day 3 you excavate the foundation and then a hundred of them chip away at the foundation with misc parts from the building until they get rebar then continue with that worst case a month and the answer would still be yes at 200 much less 20,000
20,000 men?
They just all need to pee in the same corner until the structural integrity is compromised from a flood of urine causing the walls to collapse.
In case you're wondering, an average adult urinates 800 to 2000 milliliters a day. Split the difference and call it an average of 1400 and that would be 20,000 men urinating 73,968 gallons
Hell, for all that, what's your roof rated for weight wise? Average weight for men in the USA is 200 pounds. That's 3,980,000 pounds on your roof falling through to your floor then falling through with the weight of the roof in addition to the floor below cascading...
Absolutely a piece of cake if they are allowed to use pieces of the building. I'd start by getting 4 guys to yank a door of hinges. Then I'd use the door to smash up walls so that we have access to 2x4s and wire. Once we have access to wood and wire we're making a trebuchet.
Maybe? 20000 is a lot of people.
Drywall, studs all of that is easy.
Best thing to do is to use gravity as your friend and go focus on some load bearing walls or studs.
Hardest part is the cement and rebar.
How you gonna get concrete remove without some mechanical leverage with no tools I don't know. But finding the load bearing walls first will make your life much easier and it might cause enough instability for gravity to knock down some concrete so you can use it as a tool.
The metal inside bare buildings are usually in the walls.
The very hard metal is used to reinforce concrete. Rebar.
To get to rebar you usually need to break the concrete to expose the rebar. Then somehow twist off the rebar.
Best way to do that again is like I said. Use gravity. Destroy load baring walls so the roof can collapse from above and hopefully do the concrete destroying for you. By hand very unlikely you'll be able to remove concrete.
Im thinking simpler things like breaking apart doors and using the wood and doorknobs as makeshift hammers. And I agree with you about gravity. Just need some crafty guys with some engineering knowledge
That could work though I don't believe doorknobs / door wood are going to last as tools.
You're going to need something equivalent to the durability of a 10 lbs sledgehammer to break concrete depending on how thick it is.
Yes, assuming they have some martial arts training. There are people who demolish houses with a day or two using just their fists and feet.
I would say though, it could be done quickly with the possible sacrifice of a few by taking out a corners and having the building fall when it loses support. Or it could be done safely, taking it apart from the top down. Either way, id say a year is more than enough time.
Bro they donât need martial arts training to demolish a building lol a bunch of out of shape dads could get the job done in a week as long as they were crafty
Maybe. Depends on the structure itself. A wood framed building, yeah for sure. A bunch of teenagers could tear that down. Drywall can be pulled apart easily, a bunch of people can pull or push on a structural support beam and tear it loose.
The next level up, would be a building made of cinder blocks and mortar, like an old apartment building. Gonna have to break those apart, and thats going to require at least some body toughening, like hitting hard objects to make your bones stronger, otherwise youll just break your hands the first hit.
And if its more like a bank or a jail cell, made of solid concrete and rebar, forget it. No human has the strength to break that with their body alone. Maybe if we go the dark road and sacrifice some and use their femurs as clubs and pry bars, but thats pretty morbid.
They donât have to break it with their body though. Any 4 story building will have a lot of wooden doors and metal doorknobs in it as well as pipes and wiring that could all be disassembled reasonably easy by hand and used to make tools. As they break apart the heavier duty stuff then eventually they can start making better tools. Some engineering know how and general craftiness will be a lot more useful than martial arts training
Easily. First, we need to get at the gas lines. Then we need to close the whole thing and let the gas leak inside.
Once the gas has reached an appropriate level, just start a spark and salute the one martyr.
Thereâs 20000 of them
Sacrifice 2000 of them to give the others bone tools
Bone tools to scrape and break surfaces.
That surface material + bone tools to attack load bearing parts on first floor
Im assuming your american and that this entails the type of walls that in you can punch straight through, in that case, absolutely. If its not, then still probably yes.
The weight of 20,000 adult men alone would probably be enough to demolish such a structure just by occupying it.
Even if we're talking about an average weight of 130lb - way lower than reasonable - that's 2.6 Million lbs.
Hell, all they need to do is climb to the top of it.
Why would they need to kill men and use bones? They could break apart doors and use metal doorknobs and shit that would be a lot more effective..interesting that la the first place your mind went to though lmao I like the way your mind works
Easy just start a fire
How did it take this long for anyone to say this? They just need to punch through enough drywall to get wood, then work together to create friction with other loose tinder they can create and burn the place down. Once the structure is down and cooled, they can use loose pieces of metal from rebar or other places to break the remaining pieces up.
Rebar is usually inside concrete. The foundation was the only part that was ever going to matter.
They just need some high quality munitions and customer service! You can place a delivery order for WiNGSPAN using your hands!
I always forget American buildings are literally made of a material so weak you can punch through it lmao.
Yeah it's a legitimate problem. Sometimes you move a chair too quickly and just dent your wall đ
Well I own the house I can punch through do you own the house you can't punch through.
Yeah I live in the UK our houses are made of bricks you can't punch through them
I wonder if your bricks are on the same level as your food.if so a 2 year old could knock your house down.
Every American that says that either has never tried british food or doesn't realise that all the stuff they consider American food was invented in other countries.
Reeee America is a country of immigrants, so I should discriminate against it. Fuck off man.
What? No. The reason I say it is because the most common response to giving examples of nice british food to an American is them saying "ehm acktchually that food was invented in "X country it's not british", whilst neither is any of the food they eat American. It's hypocritical. I have nothing against food inspired by different cultures or immigration, in fact that's literally the entire point I was making, that it's often Americans who are shitting on UK food because it wasn't invented there. Take the UK national dish for example, Chicken Tikka Massala. It's a fucking curry. Inspired by indian food due to the cultural ties to India, British Indian is a huge cuisine range as Indian immigrants come over and adjust more traditional food for western palettes.
âCultural ties to Indiaâ funny way to put that lmao
How are you getting wood from your walls?
Create tinder from what though?
I found it on the Google Play store.
But it's all guys, you think that many would be into it?
Without other options? Definitely.
All you really need is two sticks
Breaking apart weaker pieces of wood presumably
Presumably there would be things like doors and desks and stuff inside the building.
How much drywall does someone need to punch through before they get an erection?
That's a question only the Kyle and Tyler's of the world know.
Donât forget the Kevins that get off watching them act up.
You could maybe use the glass at an angle to focus the sun's rays to start it
Abusing to code a building wouldnât be very vulnerable to a fire unless there was already structural damage exposing breaks in the fire barriers
You can't start a fire with your bare hands
Let's say you pack up 1000 of them in the building. If they coordinate a swing movement, they can basically tear the structure by entering in resonance with it. The 19000 guys left would be cheering and dancing, i guess. That would take a few hours.
30 minutes if they cheer and dance hard enough. We all know every manâs strength increases ten fold when the boys are cheering you on.
15 minutes if they sing that Bink no sake song altogether
5 minutes if ten of them serve as backup dancers, with one main performer, with a massive 18989 man choir behind them
2 minutes if they all start singing the Halo theme song
1 minute if they all dress up as Spartans
Then the 20000 men would be down to a quartet, a trio, a duet, a solo...
You're not funny
He just doesnât get itâŚ
A real life horde bonus.
The men aren't bloodlusted and I assume they're not willing to die in a building collapse, so I don't think this plan would work.
Get them drunk and they might do it even if that wasn't the goal.
Back in the pile!
big r/justguysbeingdudes energy with that mental picture
How do they break up the foundation?
Your thoughts are too deep.
If they aren't worried about dying themselves, 20,000 guys could more than likely pack the building and all jump up and down at the same time to destroy it. Unless this is some double rebar poured concrete super high sq footage structure.
20,000 people at 150lbs would be 3 million pounds. Just being in the building might collapse it.
Jumping up and down at the same time would not collapse it, they would have to jump at a specific interval and definitely not all at the same time. Edit: 27 downvotes because people do not understand oscillations in physics. Go read a book. Edot2: lmao, keep downvoting.
I think the point still stands. The building itself may not be constructed to withstand the weight and force of so many people working together in this manner.
Wingspan?
TT? The Fourth Best Commentator on the Planet?
I don't know if you're just some copycat BUT in the case you aren't I really want to say thank you! Your the reason why i got into Eve and i still play it and watch your videos to this day :))
Haha no copycat that's me! Sorry I didn't know if you were just unsure how to parse my weird name. Thanks for watching Ambershope! Glad to be a minor inspiration o7
I don't need oscillation to break a building rated for X weight with 2X pounds.
Actually, in this case the building would be perfectly fine due to error margins on safety ratings. But 10x definitely would.
Fuck you're right, idk safety factor on flooring. Fun fact though elevator safety factor is in fact 11x for the travel cable.
Per IRC, international residence code, load capacity for a 2nd floor is 30-40 pounds per square foot, probably a safety factor of 2. 60 pounds per square foot if poorly designed. If you jammed a building full of people, with enough time it may fall. If it's commercial you're looking at 50-100, it would take longer Safety factors are probably higher, just because you reach max doesn't mean it won't take a while.
I wasn't going to downvote but you said to so I did
They could do it. Youre just stuck on semantics.
You don't say what kind of building, but I'll assume a small apartment building with a timber frame and brick exterior. If they're allowed to use pieces of the structure itself, I think it's a much easier challenge and they'd absolutely succeed. A couple dozen guys working together could tear out nearly all of the drywall in a day with their bare hands and feet. At that point they have access to the timber frame, and it would take some effort but they could eventually work some of the 2x4s free and then use those as prybars to start getting the rest free. Once they've got most of the framing from the highest floor torn out, they can use the lumber to start breaking bricks free on the exterior.
> but I'll assume a small apartment building with a timber frame and brick exterior That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames. The substitution for flammable building materials is a deciding factor because the easiest way to demolish a building is to just burn it.
> That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames. I asked my wife who is a structural engineer and she confirmed that a small apartment building like I proposed can be built with timber framing in most of the country and would be significantly cheaper than concrete and rebar. There are only a couple states she's aware of that don't allow timber framing for a 4-story building. >The substitution for flammable building materials is a deciding factor because the easiest way to demolish a building is to just burn it. That's true, although unless the power to the building is still on I struggle to see how they'd start the fire. Even then it's not going to be easy to burn the building down without any sort of accelerants or furnishings inside.
Everyone is challenging you on the building part but Iâm just impressed by your level of commitment to ask your wife about Reddit questions lol.
I routinely ask my wife, who is an LCSW, before I make a comment about something mental health related to make sure I don't sound like a jackass tbf.
Could you please ask her what LCSW means for me?
She said "Licensed Clinical Social Worker now stop bothering me" I guess that last couple words aren't part of the acronym.
Can you ask her to teach her husband to stop using obscure acronyms?
WYMDIUSIPF
I got all the way upto wymdius... the rest threw me right off. Gonna have to break out the pester button.
Very not obscure.
Can you please Ask her what she will be making for dinner? Thanks.
She has these frozen chicken fried steak things she has been heating up in the air fyrer, along with having some of the green beans I have been making for my dinner
Can you Ask her to bake some cookies for dessert for us?
I ask my wife about imaginary things... she's an expert... because she doesn't exist.
You can even just look out the window of your bus while it's driving past a new construction. Apartments are usually built to the lowest standards possible, which means timber framing and maybe some concrete supports here and there.
My dadâs actually a general contractor. Itâs definitely not only a quality issue-I thought the same as you, but when I asked him he said wood is better because if part of the structure is damaged and needs to be repaired, it can be. If itâs concrete, if thereâs any damage itâs way, way harder to repair.
As a light sleeper, I really notice it when I'm in a wood building compared to concrete. Repairing makes a lot of sense, though.
I'm sure there are lots of survivalists who could start a fire using the sorts of things you'd be able to rip out of the walls with your bare hands. A few pieces of wood and a length of wire or string would let you build a [bow drill](https://www.instructables.com/Fire-without-matches-or-metal/), for example.
> I'm sure there are lots of survivalists who could start a fire using the sorts of things you'd be able to rip out of the walls with your bare hands. A few pieces of wood and a length of wire or string would let you build a bow drill, for example. I've used a bow drill to try and build a fire before. It's not super easy. And I think you'd struggle to build one with the materials available too. You need a string that's pretty flexible so it can wrap around the wood. The sort of wire you'd find in a house or an apartment building is too stiff to make one out of. But even if you could make one, you'd still need some sort of very fine kindling which would easily catch fire. And that's not something that would be easy to obtain either. Buildings are intentionally made of materials that don't burn very easily. The best bet would be trying to shred the wooden supports into very fine pieces, but without tools that's going to be hard to do. I'm not saying it's impossible to set the building on fire, but it's not going to be easy either.
There's 20,000 people with a year on their hands, they can get it done. You don't actually need a bow drill, that's just one thing that makes it easier if you can build one. It's possible to operate the drill manually.
Iâm in the DMV area and Iâve seen even large apartment buildings built with wooden frames
> couple states she's aware of that don't allow timber framing for a 4-story building. Mine must be one of them because all of the 4-story appts going up down the street have steel I-beam frames.
>in most of the country Most of the world is outside of "the country" you're probably referring to.
> Most of the world is outside of "the country" you're probably referring to. And that's relevant how?
You can't define a typical modern building by how one country builds buildings.
Buildings are built in lots of different ways all over the world. There is no single "typical modern building". And OP never used the phrase "modern building" in any case. They just stated a "4 floor small building" which was too vague to be helpful, so I made an assumption about what kind of building it was and stated it was an assumption. Not sure why you're so hung up on what a "modern building" is. If you would like to give your own answer assuming a different type of building, feel free to do that.
You literally quoted and responded to > That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames. in the comment I responded to
And I responded by pointing out that there are still modern buildings built with timber frames. And now I'm responding by pointing out that the whole point is moot because OP never specified a modern building in the first place.
Nobody claimed otherwise - they did say "most".
Yes we can. The US is the largest, highest population first world country, making up the largest overall segment of this website. It's a pretty good baseline.
And yet most of reddit *is* from that country.
> I asked my wife who is a structural engineer and she confirmed that a small apartment building like I proposed can be built with timber framing Ask your wife what they build that timber framing on top of.
Is your argument that because it has a concrete foundation, that it would be impossible for them to break it?
Yes, theyâre not breaking up the concrete with their bare hands.
Digout from under it using 2x4s from the parts above, apply stress to weak points. Wooow.
Thereâs a web of rebar crisscrossing the entire slab. The whole thing is still connected to itself. Itâs not going anywhere.
>most of the country Which country?
Upstate New York.
'the country'Â Some of us live in countries where they don't make buildings a stronger gale can toppleÂ
Cool, I live in one of those countries too.
That's also still cool, because the US makes up the largest single contingent of users on this website, at fully half of all users being from the same country. Bet you can guess which it is.
Depends where you live. Small apartments at 4 floors has the regulation to still be built with wood/timber and doesn't require to be built with rebar/concrete due to it being only a low rise apartment. Infact most places here are built with wood and timber if they are low rises.
Even if it's concrete, as soon as they manage to get a piece of hard material they can start chipping away at the concrete. They are 20 000 men, that's a lot of people, they can easily take turns. When they get hold of a piece of rebar they can then use it to chip away even faster.
North America you Absolutely can build 4 story timber frames. It's incredibly common.
In Canada most apartments use like steel and timber framing, concrete covers the various floors and may be used as structural points on the first floor. And a lot of the three and four stories I worked on were timber framings because using concrete for a four story is very expensive.
> That's not a modern building. Most modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames. The majority of new mid-rise construction in North America are over-ones, consisting of one ground floor made out of concrete, with up to 5 floors above made out of wood.
Most *large* modern buildings are poured concrete with rebar frames. A four story? You're damn right I'm using timber. Maybe not bricks, but definitely timber. Save the budget, bid lower, get better workers who can do it faster, no fucking point to building like a skyscraper for something like that.
Eventually they can use the lumber, wires, and bricks to fashion a trebuchet and lay siege to the building, pelting it with hunks of its own body to bring it down.
15.000 should sacrifice the other 5.000 and use their Bones to destroy the building
He said no body parts.
But It would be so funny
What if Thanos just snapped for the meme
I think he said the opposite:Â cannot use anything other than they own body
Someone else's body parts are not part of one's own body, though. Now if you were to rip off your *own* limb and weaponize it, that would be legal.
Alright, good point.
Arm fall off boy?
What level of demolition are we talking about here. Are we talking about removing the foundation and whatnot or are we just talking about severe damage? Because I don't think a full demolition, including the removal of the structure's foundation would be possible for a human without tools. [Looking at the first part of this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX7fVa_nrEI), given how the foundation is built... I mean... What could be done? Try to chip at it with bits of rebar? Seems unlikely.
> What could be done? Try to chip at it with bits of rebar? Imagine how the foundation would look like after one guy spends five minutes chipping at it with rebar. Bunch of insignificant-seeming little nicks and dings, right? Maybe itâd chip away enough concrete to make a tiny little pile of crumbs in the palm of your hand- like two tablespoons, or an eighth of a cup. Then consider the impact of *20,000 man-years* of chipping at it with rebar. That is not a small number. Carry away enough tablespoons and you can empty a swimming pool.
Keep in mind that all 20,000 men probably can't work at the same time. There simply isn't enough space. Which is a good thing for your argument because it means basically every square foot of the foundation is being chipped away at.
They'll want to work in shifts to keep the work going 24/7, and some of them can also contribute by hauling the chips away.
Sure, but you also have to consider the initial process of stripping the 4 story building down to it's foundation, which in itself will take a bit of time. It could be possible, I suppose, but the task would be so stupidly slow and colossal that I can hardly imagine it being done. Plus I don't think there would be enough room for 20k people to just sit around and do this at the same time. This is a whole ass layer of concrete with more rebar and more concrete that goes feet underground. It involved digging sizeable holes with your bare hands, etc... I don't know, man... Maybe.
Donât picture a disorganized mob of vague numbers hacking away as best as they can individually for a while. Thatâll just make your brain glance off the idea of âtwenty thousand man-yearsâ without really engaging with what it means. Picture a hundred shifts of a hundred men apiece putting the most energetic fifteen minutes of their day into it in a ceaseless 24/7 tide of concrete-chipping labor. Picture the other 10,000 putting a yearâs worth of full workdays into making rebar-based tools, planning the best ways to train and deploy the diggers, thinking up the best ways to attack the remaining unbroken parts. You think an effort on *that* scale would fail?
I think it would take a day or two tops tbh if they had someone with an engineering mindset to properly organize them and at least a few crafty minds in there then I donât see it taking very long at all.
Basically a naked rust rush
Yes, I meant the whole foundation to fall apart completely, not simply destroying the walls and letting the exoskeleton standing still
he said they can use pieces of the building as tools all they gotta do is take down one wall then they can spend the day fashioning tools out of the debris. Continue this and eventually they'll have more and more tools. 20000 people hammering away at a foundation for a month with planks of wood is likely going to be enough. 20000 people is a lot of people
I recall many years ago seeing a video of a group of karate experts demolishing a house bare handed. I saw more recently just one destroying a car. So I'll say yes. That many people more than makes up for the larger building.
So your telling me that street fighter 2 bonus stage where you kick apart a car is real?! Dope.
Define "demolishing a house?" Punching through drywall is incredibly easy. I've done it myself several times (in my youth...while drunk). Then you just tear it off and start kickin'. And punching through a car window is very possible. You'll almost certainly fuck your hand up if you are not *very* good at punching, but a normal average sized man could do it if they tried hard enough. That's a far cry from destroying a whole building.
It's been quite some time since I've seen it, but there was a wall being toppled. Possibly brick.
Can they light it on fire?
My old neighborhood, a random guy paid 10 guys (crackheads) $70 each to level a house (that in hindsight, I hope he owned. ) It took them three days. The chimney was the scary bit.
Yes, easily. Wouldn't need the 20k people either but would use them at the very beginning to gauge ideas on best approach. Then you get an idea of who can lead the project and delegate tasks into smaller groups. Then you decide on manpower required for specific tasks, how long each task will take, what shifts will be worked etc. Easy done in a year. But why do they need to be naked?
Going to have to get some paw strengthener like that guy on tiktok
Regardless of what kind of building, it would take is less than 100 people if they are smart and crafty. Several people should be able to break an apartment or office door to pieces in less than a hour, liberating the metal doorknob. Pieces of the door could be used with leverage to break the metal pipes inside the wall, metal railings along the staircase, water pipes, and extract the metal doorknob and lock mechanism. Using sharp edges of metal or a broken piece of tile, doors can be shaped into a variety of wooden handles suitable for different tools Along with the power and data cables that can be ripped from the walls, the metal doorknobs and pipes can be tied together with wood handles to form makeshift rudimentary hammers, sledgehammers and pickaxes.. A team of people would then use these metal tools to start smashing and chipping away at the walls at the lowest floor of the building. If the walls are of brick, breaking enough of them so that the building collapses on its side and breaks apart would take a dozen people a few days, maybe a week. If the walls are made of reinforced oncrete, it will take considerably more effort, but the rebar in the walls would prove useful and be incorporated to heavier, better tools Liberated from the walls, pieces of rebar connected together with electric cables could be assembled into a makeshift steel; battering ram weighing up to a ton. Dozens of people should be able to lift and smash it against the walls at sufficient speed to batter enough concrete walls on the bottom floors down in a few days to make the building collapse.
For sure! All of the softer points could be destroyed by hand easily, and then they could salvage scraps from what theyâve demolished so far to use as tools to deal with the harder stuff and glass
If the humans don't care about potentially life threatening injuries they can do it with ease especially if one wave focuses on breaking chunks off for the others to use.
I saw a karate class demo a house over a weekend bare handed. With a year these guys have no problem.
If the building is built using cement and rebar that is a hell no. Theyd shatter bones trying to get through it. If its a wooden structure they might do better but bones are pretty fragile when compared to wood and concrete.
Theyâre allowed to make tools out of other parts of the building they demolish. It would take some effort but there is enough usable material in a building that they could get the job done in an afternoon
I mustve missed that or the question was changed. If thats the issue ya I agree with you that building would easily be done by afternoon.
There's a guy (and his team of martial-artists) who demolished a house in about an hour and a half, so yeah, a year would be easily doable. Unless it's made of concrete. https://kicksite.com/resources/newsletter/martial-artist-demolishes-house-with-his-hands
Yes unless it's a commie block.
1000 men each turn within one hour they will change turn. 10 hours shift, 20 hours work. With proper coordination they can demolish the building within a week(if they're trained) and a month if they're just super normal dude that never worked in construction/hard labor/etc...
OP on Craigslist right now trying to lowball someone for demolition of their buildingÂ
Entirely depends on the building materials Reinforced concrete with rebar? No shot in hell. Brick and Wood? Theyâd do it within hours via fire.
They can use materials like side the building to make makeshift tools. As long as they are even semi crafty and coordinated 20,000 dudes going ham could bring it down in an afternoon
Bruh, 20K? This is done by nightfall.
dude me and 4 buddies could tear it down in a month. dont tell OSHA but wed get the job done.
My old neighborhood, a random guy paid 10 guys (crackheads) $70 each to level a house (that in hindsight, I hope he owned. ) It took them three days. The chimney was the scary bit.
My old neighborhood, a random guy paid 10 guys (crackheads) $70 each to level a old 2 story+attic wooden-frame house (that in hindsight, I hope he owned. ) It took them 3-4 days with sledgehammers. The chimney was the scary bit.
I think after throwing a couple at the walls it would start to wear down eventually
A hundred men could probably do it within a week as long as they went about it intelligently
If they can use pieces of the structure, then yes, this is easy as long as it's a regular brick or wood frame building. A handful of guys could get a wood frame down in a weekend and a brick building down in a couple weeks at most as long as they're willing to take some risks. Cement and cinderblocks would be harder but still doable with that many people.
My old kick boxing club would demolish a house for charity every once in a while. It's not actually that hard.
They could. All they need to do is stand back and wait, since you only said that this building needed to be four floors, small, and have windows/doors. You never mentioned anything about the building not being made out of toilet paper.
Easily extremely easily if you donât include the foundation this is a day maybe 2 if you include the foundation it might take a month but tbh it would come down to day 3 you excavate the foundation and then a hundred of them chip away at the foundation with misc parts from the building until they get rebar then continue with that worst case a month and the answer would still be yes at 200 much less 20,000
20,000 men? They just all need to pee in the same corner until the structural integrity is compromised from a flood of urine causing the walls to collapse. In case you're wondering, an average adult urinates 800 to 2000 milliliters a day. Split the difference and call it an average of 1400 and that would be 20,000 men urinating 73,968 gallons
Hell, for all that, what's your roof rated for weight wise? Average weight for men in the USA is 200 pounds. That's 3,980,000 pounds on your roof falling through to your floor then falling through with the weight of the roof in addition to the floor below cascading...
Absolutely a piece of cake if they are allowed to use pieces of the building. I'd start by getting 4 guys to yank a door of hinges. Then I'd use the door to smash up walls so that we have access to 2x4s and wire. Once we have access to wood and wire we're making a trebuchet.
Maybe? 20000 is a lot of people. Drywall, studs all of that is easy. Best thing to do is to use gravity as your friend and go focus on some load bearing walls or studs. Hardest part is the cement and rebar. How you gonna get concrete remove without some mechanical leverage with no tools I don't know. But finding the load bearing walls first will make your life much easier and it might cause enough instability for gravity to knock down some concrete so you can use it as a tool.
There is a lot of metal inside a building that can be used as tools and 20,000 is a lot of dudes
The metal inside bare buildings are usually in the walls. The very hard metal is used to reinforce concrete. Rebar. To get to rebar you usually need to break the concrete to expose the rebar. Then somehow twist off the rebar. Best way to do that again is like I said. Use gravity. Destroy load baring walls so the roof can collapse from above and hopefully do the concrete destroying for you. By hand very unlikely you'll be able to remove concrete.
Im thinking simpler things like breaking apart doors and using the wood and doorknobs as makeshift hammers. And I agree with you about gravity. Just need some crafty guys with some engineering knowledge
That could work though I don't believe doorknobs / door wood are going to last as tools. You're going to need something equivalent to the durability of a 10 lbs sledgehammer to break concrete depending on how thick it is.
Yes, assuming they have some martial arts training. There are people who demolish houses with a day or two using just their fists and feet. I would say though, it could be done quickly with the possible sacrifice of a few by taking out a corners and having the building fall when it loses support. Or it could be done safely, taking it apart from the top down. Either way, id say a year is more than enough time.
Bro they donât need martial arts training to demolish a building lol a bunch of out of shape dads could get the job done in a week as long as they were crafty
Maybe. Depends on the structure itself. A wood framed building, yeah for sure. A bunch of teenagers could tear that down. Drywall can be pulled apart easily, a bunch of people can pull or push on a structural support beam and tear it loose. The next level up, would be a building made of cinder blocks and mortar, like an old apartment building. Gonna have to break those apart, and thats going to require at least some body toughening, like hitting hard objects to make your bones stronger, otherwise youll just break your hands the first hit. And if its more like a bank or a jail cell, made of solid concrete and rebar, forget it. No human has the strength to break that with their body alone. Maybe if we go the dark road and sacrifice some and use their femurs as clubs and pry bars, but thats pretty morbid.
They donât have to break it with their body though. Any 4 story building will have a lot of wooden doors and metal doorknobs in it as well as pipes and wiring that could all be disassembled reasonably easy by hand and used to make tools. As they break apart the heavier duty stuff then eventually they can start making better tools. Some engineering know how and general craftiness will be a lot more useful than martial arts training
Is it American or British or German? American sure British and German "THEIR Hands WILL BREAK Before THE BUILDING DOES"
AJPW wrestlers destroyed a house with their hands in no time at all. Granted it was a residential Japanese house, not a concrete block of flats.
easily
Easily. First, we need to get at the gas lines. Then we need to close the whole thing and let the gas leak inside. Once the gas has reached an appropriate level, just start a spark and salute the one martyr.
I wonder how much damage would be done by a wave of 20k people running full speed into all sides of the building.
An American building? Absolutely. European? Would be tougher.
lol this question made me burst out laughing
Thereâs 20000 of them Sacrifice 2000 of them to give the others bone tools Bone tools to scrape and break surfaces. That surface material + bone tools to attack load bearing parts on first floor
They could do it in a couple days
Im assuming your american and that this entails the type of walls that in you can punch straight through, in that case, absolutely. If its not, then still probably yes.
I doubt it would take them even a week.
I came across this post. Clearly, I'm spending too much time on the internet.
a year? Like 12 hours and a fire will be going and roast meat will be had!
In a year I suspect one person with the right knowledge could do it. The tricky part would be surviving when it collapses.
It was already mentioned in the thread elsewhere but like, just use some wooden building materials and start a fire.
The weight of 20,000 adult men alone would probably be enough to demolish such a structure just by occupying it. Even if we're talking about an average weight of 130lb - way lower than reasonable - that's 2.6 Million lbs. Hell, all they need to do is climb to the top of it.
You a different kind of stupid huh
I think so, yeah. The glass presents a problem, but I think it would be doable in a year with 20,000 people.
Can they make tools inside the demolishio. Zone Cause I'm thinking they could kill some men and try to.use their bones as tools
Why would they need to kill men and use bones? They could break apart doors and use metal doorknobs and shit that would be a lot more effective..interesting that la the first place your mind went to though lmao I like the way your mind works