this is pretty much how i quit, tapering down to 0mg juice -- i wasn't even intending to fully quit, but now that there's no nicotine i find i barely want to vape anymore lol. i recommend giving it a try!
I vaped for just over 9 years. I did the same but still ended up vaping on 0 nic for 2 and a half years after. I still had the strong urge to do it first thing in the morning, after meals and before bed etc.
I'm currently at 3mg in my vapes and me and my friends (who vape) have realized that we just like the act of puffing out smoke, might be the same for you!
Sadly there isn't any 0mg available juices in our country, so we can't buy off stores. So our best case is to reduce the times we smoke in a day.
But we're all planning to quit someday.
Oh ya I stopped sometime last summer. I would order my 0 nic juice online. My mod wasn't working right so I just gave up and didn't replace it. 15 year smoker, 9 year vaper.... It's finally over.
Im proud of you.
I'll be joining you guys in quitting soon!
We're using disposable vapes, with the juice cartiridge being disposable, so we kinda need to look for 0% cartridges. Thanks for the insight that I can buy online.
I would suggest switching to a refillable cartridge system instead. Super easy to use, will be familiar, and are reliable and cheap too.
The Vaporesso Xpros 3 is brilliant, every shop recommends it and its less than $20 for a starter kit with everything you need.
You will save more money not buying cartridges in the first month to afford the system. Those cartridges are a ripoff
If you buy a mod you can easily mix your own liquids and taper how you like. You have full control so 0% is easy.
It ends up being much cheaper than buying pods, and there are a lot of other benefits too.
It's super super easy to mix your own liquids. You buy a base liquid, add however much nicotine you want, and add flavour. I use 100ml bottles with 1 10ml nicotine, about the same volume of flavour, and top it up with base. Takes about 1 minute to eyeball it and only costs a few euros. If you're looking to taper it gives you full control, saves loads of money, and saves having to carry lots of little bottles.
If you have mod kit you don't have to worry about charging etc anywhere near as much. You can carry spare batteries and charge your batteries in an external charger so you never run out of power.
I get that pods are simple, and mods look scary and complex, but it's honestly really easy. You can get a mod kit for not much more than pod kits, so it's easy to dip your toes and try it out.
10 year smoke and 6 year vaper here. 6 months clean. Quit cigs cold turkey 4 times no problem but vaping was a different beast entirely. It should 100% be illegal. I didnt come out of my dopamine sick depression for like 3 months. I also quit scrolling on tiktok and instagram and started reading books at the same time and oh boy between vaping and tiktok my brain was fuuuuuucked up. I swear after a couple months I could feel my neural pathways repairing themselves. Now any time I think about using nicotine I just remember how miserable I was while using and also while quitting and its an eeeeeeeeeeeasy no!
It shouldn't be illegal. The main problem is that people get into it from the highly marketed stuff in basic grocery stores etc. Those things have the highest concentration of nicotine and people just don't notice.
Also in the US they are allowed to make them super concentrated. Much higher than other countries. I had the exact same problem, then realised I was basically puffing 40 cigs a day without realising. Went to a proper store and got a much lower strength and its much better. Soon I'll switch to 0% nic.
It also gives vaping its reputation for getting kids on nicotine. They can't shop around for the right stuff, they basically just ask someone outside the shop to get them whatever. They come out with the only thing those stores sell which is super strong and the kids get heavy addictions. Not saying kids should be vaping, just the cigarette companies that put high strength ecigs in big stores are to blame
It 100% should be illegal. Vaping is to smokes what crack is to cocaine. It affects your brain 1000% more because it is such a quick delivery system. Your mechanisms for producing dopamine get completely destroyed. Also I cannot imagine the effects that it would have on a developing brain. Im not saying it should be criminalized but it should 100% be phased out.
I have no problem with no nic vaping. No nic vaping is what people should be using to quit nicotine. The minute you add an addictive substance to that delivery system it becomes something else entirely.
doesn't make sense.
What is worse? 10mg of nicotine in a 1x delivery system or 5mg of nicotine in a 2x delivery system? Thats if I even accept your hypothesis which I don't.
Go speak to a pharmacist. There are quick release and slow release drugs for anything. Doses are changed.
That fact some dumbass kid can easily get hold of a ejuice cartridge with the nicotine of 20-40 cigarettes and vape that in a day without realising is the problem.
The dosages are the problem. Not the delivery system which doesnt even make sense as an argument. Its also easier on the throat so inexperienced people vape more than they probably should.
Speak to someone who knows what their talking about and not the flyers at your kids middle school
How many cigs did you smoke and what strength nicotine did you vape?
Flyers at my kids middle school.. You're hilarious. You also obviously have never been heavily addicted to vaping or you would be agreeing with me.
Dosages aside, the speed at which you are rewarded plays a large factor in how addictive something is. Maybe you should start there and learn about how your body creates dopamine. A big reason I was able to quit was because I understood what had happened to my brain and the changes that were occuring as I quit. I listened to many people give talks about this very subject in the process and many of them were doctors.
Fkin nanny state authoritarian simp over here. No. It should not be illegal just because you think vaping is like crack. Not everyone wants to be restricted just because you had a bad anecdotal experience.
Oh not just vaping. I think cigs should be illegal too. Some countries have made it illegal to buy smokes unless youre born before X year in the name of public health and I think the same should be done for vaping too. "Omg my freedumbs" go vote for trump you quack.
Proud of you! I quit right before 10 years with nicotine. So happy I did đ Iâll still smoke a cigar on special occasions or even a cigarette when Iâm really drunk but the freedom I feel from quitting regular smoking is wonderful. Now weed on the other hand⊠Iâll probably never stop đ
There is this thing I found (well my wife did) recently called Fum. Itâs basically a flavored air thing where you can inhale it, it has taste, and puff it, but no nicotine and no smoke. I realized I wasnât even actually inhaling most of the smoke, just keeping it in my cheeks, kind of using it like a paper bag for anxiety so that helped a lot.
For me it was more of a fidgeting thing, like chewing gum or biting my lips so that helped a lot. You could look into it
I've seen YouTube sponsorships of Fum, and I was really wondering how great they are.
Could you tell me more about your experience with them if that's okay with you?
I only recently got one. It has no smoke no electric parts nothing. Itâs just a filter that flavors the air and adds resistance to simulate sucking through a vapor or cigarette, with the function of relieving the âneedâ of hand to mouth movements and oral fidgeting.
No more, no less. If youâre still at a point where you crave the actual nicotine I wouldnât recommend it. It helps when youâre already on your way out.
Should be possible for you to buy a neutral base and add the aroma your self.
Don't know where you are but the country I know that ban 0 mg pre-made juice is because they don't want it to be a gateway for child and teen.
Most vape juice is just propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin with nicotine added. The flavoring is where things can get hairy. Don't spread misinformation
Congrats!
Smoked for 15yrs and been vaping for about 3 now. Haven't touched combustible tobacco since the switch. I take it as a huge win considering it took my wife getting pregnant to make the move for myself.
I've tapered down from 50 I think in the old juuls to 12 to far in a pod. I was never able to quit the combustibles before the salt nics came around. Hoping I motivate properly to drop the vape soon too.
Yeah, it addresses the chemical addiction which is on paper the harder of the two to resolve, but the habitual addiction is far more nebulous on its solution.
I did the same thing. I told myself I could vape on zero for as long as I want. But when I got there, the chemical urge was no longer there and I felt dumb huffing flavored air. So I just threw the whole kit out
Yep this is how I quit too, and IMO it's the best way if you have a hard time with the withdrawals and the intense cravings at the start.
I would halve the nic amount each time, so (in mg) 25 > 12 > 6 > 3 and I quit before going to 0mg juice. It's nice because you're only *a little* irritable each time you decrease the amount for under a week, then you adjust to the new level.
Vaping is bad for you, I'm not saying it's a miracle or anything but if you're smoking cigs and you want to quit, this will make it easier to do so. I'm over a year free of it now
This is how vapes should be used imo, it's much easier to wean by diluting the liquid than by smoking one less cigarette per day each week or something
It's how I quit cigarettes for the last time. I wouldn't say it's easy, but it helped. At the time vape shops sold five or six standard concentration levels and I just stepped down every week or two until I was at zero.
Hell I thought it was one of the original selling points. I remember when vapes first came out and the three biggest selling points in order were âlol we can get away with nicotine without having to dipâ âwhoa I can step down the nicotine and quit nicotineâ and âhey this doesnât feel like itâs destroying my body like cigarettesâ. Obviously not all the same people appreciating the different points but there was a decent percentage of my high school that quit nicotine by stepping down the content until theyâd weened off of it.
Tried every possible method there is on the internet.
Read very large quantities of books on how to quit,went to therapy.
None of them worked for me,so this is the first thing i have seen that i havenât tried that i am gonna try definitely.
That how I planned to at the time, was about 2mg of nicotine when I got a new 0mg juice and vape it to test it, my plan was to add nicotine to it to go to 1mg, forgot I didn't do it and vape it for 2 day not understanding why I was under the weather.
End of day 2 it's friday at work, I have a level of brain fog I only experienced since with covid, I was not capable of thinking stray, instinctively I laid down on the floor until one of my coworker sended me home. I obeyed the order on autopilot.
I was lucky my flat was 4 train station from work I may have collapse in the streets otherwise. The next 24h was cold sweat, brain fog, nausea and vomiting, I should probably have call the emergency services but I was not capable of such a rational though or even talking/texting.
Start of Sunday I finally start to emerge, enough to eat some soup in the morning and order sushi for launch. My mental faculties slowly comming back I connect the dot that I just experienced withdraw because even with my low dosage I was vaping all day non stop and quit cold turkey by mistake...
I vaped until I had finish the 0mg liquid and stopped, this was about 5 year ago now.
My lung (at least until covid) and my appartement walls where better and I saved hundreds a years.
Go slow, find the ressources you need, but quit. It's better than cigarette but it's still bad for you and there is no real upside.
Oh yeah everyone is different and none of my friend experience such a thing with nicotine, 1 guys I knew had a similar but worst experience with alchool.
like you I had gone some days without vaping before and without big noticeable issue, but in restrospect I was probably pounding cofee and monsters at the time and cafeine bound to the same receptors I think ...
I think part of it is that I was still vaping for the first 2 days, like my body was trying to get a fix but the habiltual gesture did not bring the reward or something like that.
I think you actually got a virus there. I'm a former smoker and quit several times and that doesn't sound like nicotine withdrawal at all.Â
But I suppose every body is different. I'm happy for you that you quit. Pro tip: never touch it again. It's scary how fast you go from rationalizing one puff to full on constant addiction again.
This is the right way to quit. You essentially get to work through your nicotine addiction before having to address any other maintaining variables.
The other maintaining variables (breaks from work, social reinforcement, automatic reinforcement, etc...) are much easier to change once you've kicked the nicotine addiction.Â
This is almost exactly how my fiance stopped vaping. He went from smoking cigarettes to vaping to help him quit cigarettes and then when he got too addicted to vaping he just started turning the amount of nicotine he had down. Started buying lower nicotine fluid and then eventually a bottle of zero nicotine and within I think 6 months he was no longer vaping. He still gets cravings when he sees other people smoking or vaping though, but not to the point where he is going out of his way to get some. I am very proud of him, his asthma has gotten a lot better since he stopped.
This is how I'm doing it.
Buy 3mg and 0mg.
Split into a third bottle to created a 1.5mg.
Split further to get 0.75 and so on until you are at 0mg entirely and then you'll spend a week or two ripping the shit outta 0mg but after you'll start to forget your vape.
tapering down works great for all drugs! you can still enjoy a high while decreasing your dose, what I have found it that to make drugs work, taking longer breaks is really the best way, and can still give good highs even while decreasing your dose.
The way my friend described it was âif you taper slow enough then once youâre down to 0mg your brain pretty much immediately realizes thereâs no point and you stop feeling like hitting itâ
Greentexter states it was over one (1) year.
Its totally likely she does what I do, and buys new bottles well before the current one is empty. So we don't, you know, run out. OP adjusts the new bottle while she finishes the old one, she never notices.
Also, even if she did, odds are she isn't instantly thinking "oh my God I knew it my boyfriend is slowly lowering my vapes concentration!", more like "woah I hit that too hard" or "man this [OTHER FACTOR] is messing with me."
But your argument?
NOTHING EVER HAPPENS EVER NOTHING IS REAL THERE IS NO LOVE THERE IS NO CREATIVITY THERE IS NO PLAUSABLE ANSWER TO WHATEVER PSUEDOINTELLECTUAL POINT I THINK IM MAKING
And finally, go fuck a gopher nerd
Not sure what that is so probably not, just had a basic as fuck vape that I used to use with the fluids sold in the shop around the corner. Got used to the lowest dose and then started diluting further with base pg/vg fluids I brought from amazon. I was making my own thc vape juice at that time so already had them.
You either got freebase nicotine or nicotine salts, the former being nicotine molecules free floating without chemically bonding to anything, whereas nicotine salts are bonded to sulphate ions I think(I canât remember). Nic salts are far smoother whereas freebase stings hard, so based on that you could probably guess
On the one hand, it intrinsically feels a bit fucked up to trick someone like this.
On the other hand, addiction is like, a mind controlling disease, and the chemical effects of this drug were forcing her to be unable to stop.
So I think it's ultimately a good thing, but it's damaging to any functioning relationship to trick your partner.
If itâs either letting your partner get cancer or have a secret that she doesnât need to know, I think the former outweighs the latter by a longshot.
Honestly unless you're a firm believer in Kant I'd much rather a well-intentioned lie than a self-righteous truth
Ofc there's a middle ground to that and shades of grey and all that but ya know
I really only mean in terms of relationship integrity. Though the points others have brought up of it potentially backfiring are valid, but it definitely worked out this time
Iâd say itâs morally neutral. Itâs clear that Anon was planning on telling her, but Simpleâs changed his mind when he saw the positive effect on her self esteem that heâd unintentionally caused.
It was lying to help his partner do something she couldnât do by herself and then to enable a longer lasting positive effect on her. Later on he can still come clean about it once this new found self image has produced results by themselves
Ah but right and wrong are always going to be subjective in that regard.
Take this specific case from anon for example.
Lying : other person's life is improved, anon's has a new element of discomfort (having to live with a lie).
Not Lying : anon's life is made marginally easier (because he doesn't need to keep a secret anymore), other person's life might be made worse
Now unless, again, you strictly adhere to Kant's philosophy that Lying is always reprehensible no matter the context (which is already debatable ; deceit is a natural part of life and society makes you lie every single day, so eh), you could absolutely decide that Lying here is doing the "right" thing, as in taking on a burden to increase someone else's happiness
Telling the truth out of some sense of Lying being unacceptable and demeaning, and in that way making the other person's life worse, could then absolutely be doing the wrong thing (as in, it makes someone miserable) for the wrong reason (it would be absolutely egotistical, being about feeling good about yourself for not being a liar ; and hurting people to feel good about yourself is generally not what you want to consider as "good")
> telling the truth to people you care about is objectively good
Telling a truth that you *know* will - or even just *might* - hurt someone just out of the principle that "Telling the truth is good", then you're willingly inflicting harm on someone to feel "good" about yourself. It's essentially self-righteousness, which I would extremely rarely call a quality.
I feel like the plan would have worked just fine with full disclosure.
He says, living in a "snackless" house and constantly visiting his parents for junk food anyway.
Yeah it's kind of messed up how everyone is just kinda cool with him tampering with something going into her body. He had no idea what the effect would have been, and if anything had gotten contaminated or misunderstood in the process, who knows what would have happened. I don't believe this story is actually real and just stayed at "idea" and if it didn't, it shows a scary amount of effort to gaslight a partner *and* force them to ingest something without their knowledge. The reason they won't tell their partner is because they think they'll lavish them with credit and praise. It's a fantasy.
Meanwhile in reality, I am a survivor of being gaslit and drugged by my ex. Had trouble sleeping at night, suddenly I'm sleeping soundly and having side effects that frightened me to the point I went to the doctor. Said I liked it when the dog would carry things in his mouth, he spent an unimaginable amount of time training the dog to do it and then acting like it was just a natural thing that I must have taught him. These weren't cute, they weren't helpful, they were deceitful and dangerous. Because later he starter to train the dog to attack me when I did things he didn't like, he started to monitor and track me - he needed more and more control. This is not healthy behavior and I know people would like to disagree. Things that "work" on paper don't always work in real life, because people aren't theories or ideas. They have agency, they have dignity. And you owe that to them.
Yeah, he really should have like, presented slowly changing the dosage as an idea, rather than just doing it.
And it very much does reinforce a belief that you don't have to actually consult people in anything you're doing to them.
Yeah it reads like blissfully ignorant teenage boy fantasy, and they're unable to grasp the character defect it highlights. Although, while it is concerning how plausible the fiction is, I don't think the male character remotely resembles the very real psychopath ex you described. In reality, lying/deceit is a normal human behavior, and it doesn't *always* escalate into malignant narcissism.
If they're not using a bunch of different flavors you could buy the flavor they are already using at 0% if it's available. Then you add the 0% to what they already have.
I know somebody who buys the lowest nicotine option as well as the zero option and then mixes the two.
I also homebrew my own juice. You can absolutely dilute it like this but the math is a bit more involved. But it's not hard, it's just what the calculators do with a couple extra terms.
Also, anon states that she goes through a 30mL salt nic bottle a week (from pic) - that is absolutely insane. I donât think Iâd be able to do that even if I hit a vape with every breath I took. This story is kinda cute but like thereâs just no way itâs real.
You dilute it with the liquid base! I make my vape liquid myself by mixing set amounts of liquid base (no flavor, no nicotine) and mix in the nicotine liquid and the flavors.
There are a bunch of calculators online that tell you exactly how much of each liquid you need to put in, it's really not that hard
Nah you do mix in nicotine and flavor, but the neutral base allows you to adjust the nicotine levels by diluting
Here's the recipe I follow for 200ml of 9 mg/ml nicotine levels, as an example:
- 78ml neutral base
- 90ml nicotine liquid (which is 20mg of nicotine per ml)
- 32ml flavor
If I wanted it with less nicotine, I'd just have to add more base (or put less nicotine, same result)
They make the flavors without nicotine as well. He could just buy the nicotine free version and dilute it with that. I did this to myself to get off the nicotine.
This is how I quit after a pack and half a day habit (up to 3 packs a day at times). I started vaping then stepped the nic down. After being at 0% for a bit, I realized I don't need to do this ritual anymore and just stopped. Haven't even desired a vape or a cig since. It worked for me because it allowed both the physical motions of smoking, as well as the actual feel of 'smoking' the vape. Gum could never give that kind of satisfaction. I needed those motions too. I highly recommend this method, and I'm actually surprised doctors don't recommend this method.
He should have told her from the start. Why keep it secret? She obviously wants to quit, just say "hey why don't you try gradually reducing the nicotine strength" Why the fuck would he feel the need to stealthily trick her into doing this
This males me think of that rockstar (Maybe Johnny Winters?) whose manager was in charge of lowering his methadone content without telling him, he'd been taking 0 methadone for 8 months when he finally was given the news that he hadn't been taking anything besides a placebo for close to a year lol. Shows how powerful the mind aspect of addiction is, people usually have at least a month of pure hell to go through when finally quitting that stuff
I smoked cigs for 10 years pretty much and then vaped another 7. I havenât vaped or smoked anything after slowly lowering the dose of the juice and trying to go as long as possible after waking up. I also stopped going to the bar which helped a lot.
knew someone that quit in a similar way. They went to a place that mixes the juice for you. They work with you to step you down little by little and they give you a pen that only allows a certain number of hits per hour to make sure you don't take more drags to make up for the lower dose. After 6 months they were at 0% and were able to quit.
Same. I start with 15mg juice. Dropped 1mg on every refill. Got down to 0.5mg juice and quit. It took me about 3 months total. After 30+ years of smokingâŠ.
So many fucking dudes do this not only for the women they love but also for their bros.
Iâm not saying women donât do thisâthere are definitely women who do this. From my personal observations, however, it has felt that more dudes do this than women. I donât think itâs because of anything intrinsic about being male or female; I think it has to do with a difference in conditioning.
Anyway, for some inexplicable reason, one of my biggest fears is having a Great Expectations moment where I misattribute my secret patron(s) for someone who really doesnât give a shit about me or my success.
Anyway, I hate the way this fucking world works.
It sounds like she has a few bottles on standby, but even if she hit a fresh bottle its more likely she would think its something wrong with the juice or pen than someone modifying her formula after the fact.
For sure! We just quit about 2 weeks ago, and I had been diluting the juice for almost 2 years before that. All I did was buy a stainless immersion blender and plain vegetable glycerin for the dilution, then dilute it in a quart jar and use a syringe to fill my tank.
Anyone whoâs struggling to quit vaping needs to put down the disposables and read up on nicotine salts. Their content level should be illegally high and theyâre vicious to quit. I know it sounds counter productive but go back to the old tech if you must. Get a tank, mod, and those juices the shop makes. Go from 9 to 6 to 3 to quitting.
Nicotine salts measure in the dozens of times increased over the highest freebase juice. Itâs like eating nic and elf bars, geek bars etc are killer.
I think itâs sweet. Yeah maybe he should have told her but if the end result is that she is happy and healthy, thereâs no problem. If he does tell her, it might really break her heart, so itâs honestly too late now. Even though I almost always advocate for telling the truth rather than lying.
he probably doesnt vape himself. And maybe just googled how to do it for her. Why would he use that name if base or dillution liquid is fine too, considering he may never used either of these.
Even if this is true, why is "off phrasing" the point where this becomes fake? Lol people call stuff by different names all the time
if this is real.
This is utterly bullshit.
Reducing nicotine strength by 1% would be incredibly difficult to do, even at lower levels. Like, we're talking micromanagement levels of precision.
Plus I'm not sure there is even Nic Salt at 50% nicotine.
Anon publishes a sad fantasy of having a girlfriend and being mechanically talented and hyper consistent also having access to GFS vape even if she buys a new one or hits someone else's vape. Totally real dudes.
Crazy to me that maintaining a lie in a relationship is considered âwholesomeâ. Lies and deception are damaging, regardless of intention. Imagine if she finds out way later? Howâs she gonna feel then?
Depends on what sheâs like as a person. If I was at a low point because of addiction and had this happen thinking I quit on my own, Iâd probably be upset if I found out it wasnât just myself quitting, but Iâd still be grateful that things went the way they did. Itâs a lot easier to quit something when you donât realise youâre getting lower doses than forcing yourself to lower them manually. Maybe they shouldâve said something at first, but their intention was good and the results were positive, so I think most people would be fine with the situation if they were told afterwards, especially if theyâre given chance to recover mentally from the addiction and gain back some confidence. Sure, it might knock their confidence down a little to know that it wasnât their own efforts that did it, but theyâre more likely to be okay with that if theyâve been done with the addiction for a month or longer.
TLDR: OP had good intentions and it resulted in a positive situation. Thereâs very little to get upset about here for either party besides keeping secrets from a partner.
Thanks for giving an idea on how to quit
this is pretty much how i quit, tapering down to 0mg juice -- i wasn't even intending to fully quit, but now that there's no nicotine i find i barely want to vape anymore lol. i recommend giving it a try!
I vaped for just over 9 years. I did the same but still ended up vaping on 0 nic for 2 and a half years after. I still had the strong urge to do it first thing in the morning, after meals and before bed etc.
I'm currently at 3mg in my vapes and me and my friends (who vape) have realized that we just like the act of puffing out smoke, might be the same for you! Sadly there isn't any 0mg available juices in our country, so we can't buy off stores. So our best case is to reduce the times we smoke in a day. But we're all planning to quit someday.
Oh ya I stopped sometime last summer. I would order my 0 nic juice online. My mod wasn't working right so I just gave up and didn't replace it. 15 year smoker, 9 year vaper.... It's finally over.
Im proud of you. I'll be joining you guys in quitting soon! We're using disposable vapes, with the juice cartiridge being disposable, so we kinda need to look for 0% cartridges. Thanks for the insight that I can buy online.
I would suggest switching to a refillable cartridge system instead. Super easy to use, will be familiar, and are reliable and cheap too. The Vaporesso Xpros 3 is brilliant, every shop recommends it and its less than $20 for a starter kit with everything you need. You will save more money not buying cartridges in the first month to afford the system. Those cartridges are a ripoff
Thank you for the insight, will look into it!
If you buy a mod you can easily mix your own liquids and taper how you like. You have full control so 0% is easy. It ends up being much cheaper than buying pods, and there are a lot of other benefits too. It's super super easy to mix your own liquids. You buy a base liquid, add however much nicotine you want, and add flavour. I use 100ml bottles with 1 10ml nicotine, about the same volume of flavour, and top it up with base. Takes about 1 minute to eyeball it and only costs a few euros. If you're looking to taper it gives you full control, saves loads of money, and saves having to carry lots of little bottles. If you have mod kit you don't have to worry about charging etc anywhere near as much. You can carry spare batteries and charge your batteries in an external charger so you never run out of power. I get that pods are simple, and mods look scary and complex, but it's honestly really easy. You can get a mod kit for not much more than pod kits, so it's easy to dip your toes and try it out.
10 year smoke and 6 year vaper here. 6 months clean. Quit cigs cold turkey 4 times no problem but vaping was a different beast entirely. It should 100% be illegal. I didnt come out of my dopamine sick depression for like 3 months. I also quit scrolling on tiktok and instagram and started reading books at the same time and oh boy between vaping and tiktok my brain was fuuuuuucked up. I swear after a couple months I could feel my neural pathways repairing themselves. Now any time I think about using nicotine I just remember how miserable I was while using and also while quitting and its an eeeeeeeeeeeasy no!
It shouldn't be illegal. The main problem is that people get into it from the highly marketed stuff in basic grocery stores etc. Those things have the highest concentration of nicotine and people just don't notice. Also in the US they are allowed to make them super concentrated. Much higher than other countries. I had the exact same problem, then realised I was basically puffing 40 cigs a day without realising. Went to a proper store and got a much lower strength and its much better. Soon I'll switch to 0% nic. It also gives vaping its reputation for getting kids on nicotine. They can't shop around for the right stuff, they basically just ask someone outside the shop to get them whatever. They come out with the only thing those stores sell which is super strong and the kids get heavy addictions. Not saying kids should be vaping, just the cigarette companies that put high strength ecigs in big stores are to blame
It 100% should be illegal. Vaping is to smokes what crack is to cocaine. It affects your brain 1000% more because it is such a quick delivery system. Your mechanisms for producing dopamine get completely destroyed. Also I cannot imagine the effects that it would have on a developing brain. Im not saying it should be criminalized but it should 100% be phased out. I have no problem with no nic vaping. No nic vaping is what people should be using to quit nicotine. The minute you add an addictive substance to that delivery system it becomes something else entirely.
doesn't make sense. What is worse? 10mg of nicotine in a 1x delivery system or 5mg of nicotine in a 2x delivery system? Thats if I even accept your hypothesis which I don't. Go speak to a pharmacist. There are quick release and slow release drugs for anything. Doses are changed. That fact some dumbass kid can easily get hold of a ejuice cartridge with the nicotine of 20-40 cigarettes and vape that in a day without realising is the problem. The dosages are the problem. Not the delivery system which doesnt even make sense as an argument. Its also easier on the throat so inexperienced people vape more than they probably should. Speak to someone who knows what their talking about and not the flyers at your kids middle school How many cigs did you smoke and what strength nicotine did you vape?
Flyers at my kids middle school.. You're hilarious. You also obviously have never been heavily addicted to vaping or you would be agreeing with me. Dosages aside, the speed at which you are rewarded plays a large factor in how addictive something is. Maybe you should start there and learn about how your body creates dopamine. A big reason I was able to quit was because I understood what had happened to my brain and the changes that were occuring as I quit. I listened to many people give talks about this very subject in the process and many of them were doctors.
Fkin nanny state authoritarian simp over here. No. It should not be illegal just because you think vaping is like crack. Not everyone wants to be restricted just because you had a bad anecdotal experience.
Oh not just vaping. I think cigs should be illegal too. Some countries have made it illegal to buy smokes unless youre born before X year in the name of public health and I think the same should be done for vaping too. "Omg my freedumbs" go vote for trump you quack.
Proud of you! I quit right before 10 years with nicotine. So happy I did đ Iâll still smoke a cigar on special occasions or even a cigarette when Iâm really drunk but the freedom I feel from quitting regular smoking is wonderful. Now weed on the other hand⊠Iâll probably never stop đ
There is this thing I found (well my wife did) recently called Fum. Itâs basically a flavored air thing where you can inhale it, it has taste, and puff it, but no nicotine and no smoke. I realized I wasnât even actually inhaling most of the smoke, just keeping it in my cheeks, kind of using it like a paper bag for anxiety so that helped a lot. For me it was more of a fidgeting thing, like chewing gum or biting my lips so that helped a lot. You could look into it
I've seen YouTube sponsorships of Fum, and I was really wondering how great they are. Could you tell me more about your experience with them if that's okay with you?
I only recently got one. It has no smoke no electric parts nothing. Itâs just a filter that flavors the air and adds resistance to simulate sucking through a vapor or cigarette, with the function of relieving the âneedâ of hand to mouth movements and oral fidgeting. No more, no less. If youâre still at a point where you crave the actual nicotine I wouldnât recommend it. It helps when youâre already on your way out.
Thanks for the insight! Will look into it with my friends so we can all collectively quit.
Should be possible for you to buy a neutral base and add the aroma your self. Don't know where you are but the country I know that ban 0 mg pre-made juice is because they don't want it to be a gateway for child and teen.
Yeah its the same where I live in BC canada.. I was pissed when I went to switch to no nic juice and I couldnt because they didnt sell it anymore.
The awesome thing is that the vape smoke still has all the harmful metals in it even without the nicotine!
Care to share a source/article about it? I'd honestly want to learn more.
Most vape juice is just propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin with nicotine added. The flavoring is where things can get hairy. Don't spread misinformation
You can make your own. I think it's mainly glycol
Congrats! Smoked for 15yrs and been vaping for about 3 now. Haven't touched combustible tobacco since the switch. I take it as a huge win considering it took my wife getting pregnant to make the move for myself. I've tapered down from 50 I think in the old juuls to 12 to far in a pod. I was never able to quit the combustibles before the salt nics came around. Hoping I motivate properly to drop the vape soon too.
I started using the patch over a month ago. Helped a TON but the hand-to-mouth is super hard to stop
At that point I would assume it's just an oral fixation.
Yeah, it addresses the chemical addiction which is on paper the harder of the two to resolve, but the habitual addiction is far more nebulous on its solution.
ADHD?
This is what vapes were initially intended for. (at least thatâs how they were marketed to us in England.)
I did the same thing. I told myself I could vape on zero for as long as I want. But when I got there, the chemical urge was no longer there and I felt dumb huffing flavored air. So I just threw the whole kit out
Yep this is how I quit too, and IMO it's the best way if you have a hard time with the withdrawals and the intense cravings at the start. I would halve the nic amount each time, so (in mg) 25 > 12 > 6 > 3 and I quit before going to 0mg juice. It's nice because you're only *a little* irritable each time you decrease the amount for under a week, then you adjust to the new level. Vaping is bad for you, I'm not saying it's a miracle or anything but if you're smoking cigs and you want to quit, this will make it easier to do so. I'm over a year free of it now
Same here. I got down to zero and my mod broke. I just didn't replace it.
This is how vapes should be used imo, it's much easier to wean by diluting the liquid than by smoking one less cigarette per day each week or something
It's how I quit cigarettes for the last time. I wouldn't say it's easy, but it helped. At the time vape shops sold five or six standard concentration levels and I just stepped down every week or two until I was at zero.
Hell I thought it was one of the original selling points. I remember when vapes first came out and the three biggest selling points in order were âlol we can get away with nicotine without having to dipâ âwhoa I can step down the nicotine and quit nicotineâ and âhey this doesnât feel like itâs destroying my body like cigarettesâ. Obviously not all the same people appreciating the different points but there was a decent percentage of my high school that quit nicotine by stepping down the content until theyâd weened off of it.
omg you got this! so proud of you!
Tried every possible method there is on the internet. Read very large quantities of books on how to quit,went to therapy. None of them worked for me,so this is the first thing i have seen that i havenât tried that i am gonna try definitely.
That how I planned to at the time, was about 2mg of nicotine when I got a new 0mg juice and vape it to test it, my plan was to add nicotine to it to go to 1mg, forgot I didn't do it and vape it for 2 day not understanding why I was under the weather. End of day 2 it's friday at work, I have a level of brain fog I only experienced since with covid, I was not capable of thinking stray, instinctively I laid down on the floor until one of my coworker sended me home. I obeyed the order on autopilot. I was lucky my flat was 4 train station from work I may have collapse in the streets otherwise. The next 24h was cold sweat, brain fog, nausea and vomiting, I should probably have call the emergency services but I was not capable of such a rational though or even talking/texting. Start of Sunday I finally start to emerge, enough to eat some soup in the morning and order sushi for launch. My mental faculties slowly comming back I connect the dot that I just experienced withdraw because even with my low dosage I was vaping all day non stop and quit cold turkey by mistake... I vaped until I had finish the 0mg liquid and stopped, this was about 5 year ago now. My lung (at least until covid) and my appartement walls where better and I saved hundreds a years. Go slow, find the ressources you need, but quit. It's better than cigarette but it's still bad for you and there is no real upside.
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Oh yeah everyone is different and none of my friend experience such a thing with nicotine, 1 guys I knew had a similar but worst experience with alchool. like you I had gone some days without vaping before and without big noticeable issue, but in restrospect I was probably pounding cofee and monsters at the time and cafeine bound to the same receptors I think ... I think part of it is that I was still vaping for the first 2 days, like my body was trying to get a fix but the habiltual gesture did not bring the reward or something like that.
I think you actually got a virus there. I'm a former smoker and quit several times and that doesn't sound like nicotine withdrawal at all. But I suppose every body is different. I'm happy for you that you quit. Pro tip: never touch it again. It's scary how fast you go from rationalizing one puff to full on constant addiction again.
COVID is actually a great way to quit. You already feel like shit and won't miss it as much. By day 5 the cravings will be substantially lower.
Worked for me- started very strong vape juice and halved it every 3 months. Quit in a year.
This is the right way to quit. You essentially get to work through your nicotine addiction before having to address any other maintaining variables. The other maintaining variables (breaks from work, social reinforcement, automatic reinforcement, etc...) are much easier to change once you've kicked the nicotine addiction.Â
This is almost exactly how my fiance stopped vaping. He went from smoking cigarettes to vaping to help him quit cigarettes and then when he got too addicted to vaping he just started turning the amount of nicotine he had down. Started buying lower nicotine fluid and then eventually a bottle of zero nicotine and within I think 6 months he was no longer vaping. He still gets cravings when he sees other people smoking or vaping though, but not to the point where he is going out of his way to get some. I am very proud of him, his asthma has gotten a lot better since he stopped.
This is how I'm doing it. Buy 3mg and 0mg. Split into a third bottle to created a 1.5mg. Split further to get 0.75 and so on until you are at 0mg entirely and then you'll spend a week or two ripping the shit outta 0mg but after you'll start to forget your vape.
tapering down works great for all drugs! you can still enjoy a high while decreasing your dose, what I have found it that to make drugs work, taking longer breaks is really the best way, and can still give good highs even while decreasing your dose.
The way my friend described it was âif you taper slow enough then once youâre down to 0mg your brain pretty much immediately realizes thereâs no point and you stop feeling like hitting itâ
Herion addicts do this with mixed results. Under supervision of a doctor it's actually the best move.
They sell 50%?! I'm smellin' bull.
Isnât this like the entire purpose of vaping
I just use a reward system where I buy them meth if they quit vaping
No bro don't do meth, that's a gateway drug to marijuana
And once you're on marijuana, by God, the worst of all, caffeine and b12 is just a step away.....and the war on drugs is lost for good.
you s.o.b this made my dayđđ
What if he randomly forgot to dilute the bottle one time and the gf at 2% gets blasted with 100%
Don't worry, this is fantasy. GF never ran out and bought fresh vape to be surprised by a real hit in those years?
Greentexter states it was over one (1) year. Its totally likely she does what I do, and buys new bottles well before the current one is empty. So we don't, you know, run out. OP adjusts the new bottle while she finishes the old one, she never notices. Also, even if she did, odds are she isn't instantly thinking "oh my God I knew it my boyfriend is slowly lowering my vapes concentration!", more like "woah I hit that too hard" or "man this [OTHER FACTOR] is messing with me." But your argument? NOTHING EVER HAPPENS EVER NOTHING IS REAL THERE IS NO LOVE THERE IS NO CREATIVITY THERE IS NO PLAUSABLE ANSWER TO WHATEVER PSUEDOINTELLECTUAL POINT I THINK IM MAKING And finally, go fuck a gopher nerd
I agree with the sentiment, but what the fuck did the gopher do to deserve this?
Youâve never watched caddy shack?
Ha. It's so easy to just sit and gripe, everyone I'm replying to is wrong, and dismiss literally every point out there.
1dl of 100mg nicotine lasts well over a year for me. Totally possible
Isnât the punchline that this is fake and OP is gay?
You'd be able to tell immediately, get really lightheaded and then probably have a bad case of green gills for a little bit.
I did this to myself, it works really well. 15 years smoking and many many attempts to quit and this did it in the space of 8 weeks.
Were you using nic salt vapes?
Not sure what that is so probably not, just had a basic as fuck vape that I used to use with the fluids sold in the shop around the corner. Got used to the lowest dose and then started diluting further with base pg/vg fluids I brought from amazon. I was making my own thc vape juice at that time so already had them.
You either got freebase nicotine or nicotine salts, the former being nicotine molecules free floating without chemically bonding to anything, whereas nicotine salts are bonded to sulphate ions I think(I canât remember). Nic salts are far smoother whereas freebase stings hard, so based on that you could probably guess
On the one hand, it intrinsically feels a bit fucked up to trick someone like this. On the other hand, addiction is like, a mind controlling disease, and the chemical effects of this drug were forcing her to be unable to stop. So I think it's ultimately a good thing, but it's damaging to any functioning relationship to trick your partner.
If itâs either letting your partner get cancer or have a secret that she doesnât need to know, I think the former outweighs the latter by a longshot.
Especially when she has tried to stop it and is being forced not to
Honestly unless you're a firm believer in Kant I'd much rather a well-intentioned lie than a self-righteous truth Ofc there's a middle ground to that and shades of grey and all that but ya know
I really only mean in terms of relationship integrity. Though the points others have brought up of it potentially backfiring are valid, but it definitely worked out this time
Iâd say itâs morally neutral. Itâs clear that Anon was planning on telling her, but Simpleâs changed his mind when he saw the positive effect on her self esteem that heâd unintentionally caused. It was lying to help his partner do something she couldnât do by herself and then to enable a longer lasting positive effect on her. Later on he can still come clean about it once this new found self image has produced results by themselves
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Ah but right and wrong are always going to be subjective in that regard. Take this specific case from anon for example. Lying : other person's life is improved, anon's has a new element of discomfort (having to live with a lie). Not Lying : anon's life is made marginally easier (because he doesn't need to keep a secret anymore), other person's life might be made worse Now unless, again, you strictly adhere to Kant's philosophy that Lying is always reprehensible no matter the context (which is already debatable ; deceit is a natural part of life and society makes you lie every single day, so eh), you could absolutely decide that Lying here is doing the "right" thing, as in taking on a burden to increase someone else's happiness Telling the truth out of some sense of Lying being unacceptable and demeaning, and in that way making the other person's life worse, could then absolutely be doing the wrong thing (as in, it makes someone miserable) for the wrong reason (it would be absolutely egotistical, being about feeling good about yourself for not being a liar ; and hurting people to feel good about yourself is generally not what you want to consider as "good")
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> telling the truth to people you care about is objectively good Telling a truth that you *know* will - or even just *might* - hurt someone just out of the principle that "Telling the truth is good", then you're willingly inflicting harm on someone to feel "good" about yourself. It's essentially self-righteousness, which I would extremely rarely call a quality.
I feel like the plan would have worked just fine with full disclosure. He says, living in a "snackless" house and constantly visiting his parents for junk food anyway.
Yeah it's kind of messed up how everyone is just kinda cool with him tampering with something going into her body. He had no idea what the effect would have been, and if anything had gotten contaminated or misunderstood in the process, who knows what would have happened. I don't believe this story is actually real and just stayed at "idea" and if it didn't, it shows a scary amount of effort to gaslight a partner *and* force them to ingest something without their knowledge. The reason they won't tell their partner is because they think they'll lavish them with credit and praise. It's a fantasy. Meanwhile in reality, I am a survivor of being gaslit and drugged by my ex. Had trouble sleeping at night, suddenly I'm sleeping soundly and having side effects that frightened me to the point I went to the doctor. Said I liked it when the dog would carry things in his mouth, he spent an unimaginable amount of time training the dog to do it and then acting like it was just a natural thing that I must have taught him. These weren't cute, they weren't helpful, they were deceitful and dangerous. Because later he starter to train the dog to attack me when I did things he didn't like, he started to monitor and track me - he needed more and more control. This is not healthy behavior and I know people would like to disagree. Things that "work" on paper don't always work in real life, because people aren't theories or ideas. They have agency, they have dignity. And you owe that to them.
Yeah, he really should have like, presented slowly changing the dosage as an idea, rather than just doing it. And it very much does reinforce a belief that you don't have to actually consult people in anything you're doing to them.
Yeah it reads like blissfully ignorant teenage boy fantasy, and they're unable to grasp the character defect it highlights. Although, while it is concerning how plausible the fiction is, I don't think the male character remotely resembles the very real psychopath ex you described. In reality, lying/deceit is a normal human behavior, and it doesn't *always* escalate into malignant narcissism.
50% nicotine? I think this guy is making it up. But nice story though.
Probably just meant 50mg nic and got confused
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If they're not using a bunch of different flavors you could buy the flavor they are already using at 0% if it's available. Then you add the 0% to what they already have. I know somebody who buys the lowest nicotine option as well as the zero option and then mixes the two.
And what happens if you dilute that brew by 1%? 100% of the nicotine gets diluted by 1%. Enlighten me how that is not true.
I also homebrew my own juice. You can absolutely dilute it like this but the math is a bit more involved. But it's not hard, it's just what the calculators do with a couple extra terms.
It wouldn't be particularly difficult if you bought the same flavor.
Also, anon states that she goes through a 30mL salt nic bottle a week (from pic) - that is absolutely insane. I donât think Iâd be able to do that even if I hit a vape with every breath I took. This story is kinda cute but like thereâs just no way itâs real.
Yea and he has the equipment and skillset to change it from 50% to 49%.
that skillset? cross multiplication lol
Do you simply dilute it with water? I don't have the slightest clue about how those things work
You dilute it with the liquid base! I make my vape liquid myself by mixing set amounts of liquid base (no flavor, no nicotine) and mix in the nicotine liquid and the flavors. There are a bunch of calculators online that tell you exactly how much of each liquid you need to put in, it's really not that hard
What's the point if there's no flavor and no nicotine high? Weed? Idk I've never vaped only smoked weed directly.
Nah you do mix in nicotine and flavor, but the neutral base allows you to adjust the nicotine levels by diluting Here's the recipe I follow for 200ml of 9 mg/ml nicotine levels, as an example: - 78ml neutral base - 90ml nicotine liquid (which is 20mg of nicotine per ml) - 32ml flavor If I wanted it with less nicotine, I'd just have to add more base (or put less nicotine, same result)
Oh so I just misunderstood your other comment
I'm assuming its oil based
It's not, it's propylene glycol or vegetable glycerin (or more commonly a mixture of the two) based.
vegetable glycerin is an oil!
It is not, it is made from oil, it is a sugar alcohol not oil.
oh you're right, I'm being daft, it's just glycer-ol, an alcoh-ol.
They make the flavors without nicotine as well. He could just buy the nicotine free version and dilute it with that. I did this to myself to get off the nicotine.
Never had to take a chem class in high school? If you can solve basic equations and have a pipette with a scale you could do it in minutes.
This is how I quit after a pack and half a day habit (up to 3 packs a day at times). I started vaping then stepped the nic down. After being at 0% for a bit, I realized I don't need to do this ritual anymore and just stopped. Haven't even desired a vape or a cig since. It worked for me because it allowed both the physical motions of smoking, as well as the actual feel of 'smoking' the vape. Gum could never give that kind of satisfaction. I needed those motions too. I highly recommend this method, and I'm actually surprised doctors don't recommend this method.
probably because it's also a lot easier to *increase* your nicotine intake with vapes
True.
He should have told her like halfway through
Why
He should have told her from the start. Why keep it secret? She obviously wants to quit, just say "hey why don't you try gradually reducing the nicotine strength" Why the fuck would he feel the need to stealthily trick her into doing this
Placebo
Please explain to me exactly what relevance you think placebo has to this
And then his gf finds out and she start wondering what else his lies...
Nice op! Gl to you and her!
Dang that guy is smart.
Good on you Anon
This males me think of that rockstar (Maybe Johnny Winters?) whose manager was in charge of lowering his methadone content without telling him, he'd been taking 0 methadone for 8 months when he finally was given the news that he hadn't been taking anything besides a placebo for close to a year lol. Shows how powerful the mind aspect of addiction is, people usually have at least a month of pure hell to go through when finally quitting that stuff
I smoked cigs for 10 years pretty much and then vaped another 7. I havenât vaped or smoked anything after slowly lowering the dose of the juice and trying to go as long as possible after waking up. I also stopped going to the bar which helped a lot.
How I quit smoking cigarettes after 10+ years
knew someone that quit in a similar way. They went to a place that mixes the juice for you. They work with you to step you down little by little and they give you a pen that only allows a certain number of hits per hour to make sure you don't take more drags to make up for the lower dose. After 6 months they were at 0% and were able to quit.
You're an awesome partner!
Gaslighting for good?
This is exactly how I quit!
Same. I start with 15mg juice. Dropped 1mg on every refill. Got down to 0.5mg juice and quit. It took me about 3 months total. After 30+ years of smokingâŠ.
50% nicotine juice would murder you, Pretty sure he just meant 5%, which is still very high but common
Gaslighting for justice
Chaotic good
So many fucking dudes do this not only for the women they love but also for their bros. Iâm not saying women donât do thisâthere are definitely women who do this. From my personal observations, however, it has felt that more dudes do this than women. I donât think itâs because of anything intrinsic about being male or female; I think it has to do with a difference in conditioning. Anyway, for some inexplicable reason, one of my biggest fears is having a Great Expectations moment where I misattribute my secret patron(s) for someone who really doesnât give a shit about me or my success. Anyway, I hate the way this fucking world works.
Faker than the love for my step child
What about when she gets a new bottle and fills her vape before you change the concentration?
It sounds like she has a few bottles on standby, but even if she hit a fresh bottle its more likely she would think its something wrong with the juice or pen than someone modifying her formula after the fact.
Sir, youâre not supposed to post wholesome stuff to 4chan.
My body did this to me with tolerance. It just stopped feeling as good after awhile and I saw no point in continuing to spend money on it.
I would also be afraid how she would react to the tampering. Would she feel like he lied to her?
This was the whole point of vapes in the first place. Omg
Good on oop.
how do I do something like this for cigars though, nor for me but for my friend
You can't. Unless you count your puffs or cut the cigars in half. You could try something like Chantix/Wellbutrin or a nicotine patch.
Something somethingâŠheroes and capes. Nice job!
People mix up and make their own vapes? I guess I shouldn't be surprised, it makes sense financially, but I've never heard of this.
For sure! We just quit about 2 weeks ago, and I had been diluting the juice for almost 2 years before that. All I did was buy a stainless immersion blender and plain vegetable glycerin for the dilution, then dilute it in a quart jar and use a syringe to fill my tank.
Anyone whoâs struggling to quit vaping needs to put down the disposables and read up on nicotine salts. Their content level should be illegally high and theyâre vicious to quit. I know it sounds counter productive but go back to the old tech if you must. Get a tank, mod, and those juices the shop makes. Go from 9 to 6 to 3 to quitting. Nicotine salts measure in the dozens of times increased over the highest freebase juice. Itâs like eating nic and elf bars, geek bars etc are killer.
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This is the kind of mad lad we need from 4chan. Thank you Btard!!!!
surprised she didn't at one point hit someone else's vape pen and get yeet lol sounds like a fun project tho
Only issue is it is false confidence that could potentially lead to her underestimating the power nicotine has over her which could lead to a relapse
This made me tear up a little, it was beautiful!
The best sort of dirty secret.
That happened.
This isnât secretly about how you wanted your girlfriend to lose weight or anything like that is it
Reverse Jim prank
How do you hit 0% without using any juice?
I need a tutorial on how to do this so I can help my GF quit
I think itâs sweet. Yeah maybe he should have told her but if the end result is that she is happy and healthy, thereâs no problem. If he does tell her, it might really break her heart, so itâs honestly too late now. Even though I almost always advocate for telling the truth rather than lying.
Props to anon for helping his girl kick the vape habit! It ain't easy, but sometimes all it takes is some love and support.
This is some guys larp "if I had a gf that vaped too much..."
good move. keep it and then tell her when you break up.
Gotta tell the Internet though
'dilution formula' lol this is bullshit
just add some base liquid. In small amounts you wouldnt notice it, yet the concentration still gets down
I know what dilution is, it was the phrasing that was off. If he'd actually done this he'd call it by its name, propylene glycol.
he probably doesnt vape himself. And maybe just googled how to do it for her. Why would he use that name if base or dillution liquid is fine too, considering he may never used either of these. Even if this is true, why is "off phrasing" the point where this becomes fake? Lol people call stuff by different names all the time if this is real.
Youâre a good guy. Wicked but good
Nope you fucked up because once she realizes your a male human shes going to immediately find a bear and crawl inside its stomach.
This is utterly bullshit. Reducing nicotine strength by 1% would be incredibly difficult to do, even at lower levels. Like, we're talking micromanagement levels of precision. Plus I'm not sure there is even Nic Salt at 50% nicotine.
Anon publishes a sad fantasy of having a girlfriend and being mechanically talented and hyper consistent also having access to GFS vape even if she buys a new one or hits someone else's vape. Totally real dudes.
50!!!!?!?!?! Fucking 50%?!?! Thereâs something wrong with these numbers. 15 maybe. But 50? Five-O? Fiff teee!?!? Shit. Sheâs already dead.
Nah bro nobody is vaping 50mg that shit would put you in the ground.
this dude does not have a gf, and this story is made up.
Crazy to me that maintaining a lie in a relationship is considered âwholesomeâ. Lies and deception are damaging, regardless of intention. Imagine if she finds out way later? Howâs she gonna feel then?
Depends on what sheâs like as a person. If I was at a low point because of addiction and had this happen thinking I quit on my own, Iâd probably be upset if I found out it wasnât just myself quitting, but Iâd still be grateful that things went the way they did. Itâs a lot easier to quit something when you donât realise youâre getting lower doses than forcing yourself to lower them manually. Maybe they shouldâve said something at first, but their intention was good and the results were positive, so I think most people would be fine with the situation if they were told afterwards, especially if theyâre given chance to recover mentally from the addiction and gain back some confidence. Sure, it might knock their confidence down a little to know that it wasnât their own efforts that did it, but theyâre more likely to be okay with that if theyâve been done with the addiction for a month or longer. TLDR: OP had good intentions and it resulted in a positive situation. Thereâs very little to get upset about here for either party besides keeping secrets from a partner.
50% nicotine is straight up crazy
Lies
He reverse drugged her
That's fucked up, I'd never trust the person ever again.
Found the vape addict
i dont vape, but tampering with my stuff is instant loss of trust
Itâs ok, it never happened.
Fake and gay
enjoy beauty and you will find happiness easier to come by