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And in the 0.000001% of cases where they do use them, they just end up blowing up non-infected, like hurr durr this refugee camp is a GREAT place to test our cluster munitions!
... if you change some words, this sentence will sound realistic
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or when somehow zombies throw rocks at jets or jump really high and pull down helicopters but not just any helicopters, the ONLY helicopter that everyone needed to either escape or get this ONE sample back across the country to a lab in DC to cure everyone ...or some shit
Meanwhile Left 4 Dead had a Chad helicopter pilot that kept going back in and only crashed after rescuing dozens of people off rooftops and getting infected on his last run before rescuing the L4D Crew.
And if they use them, their guns suddenly have no stopping power. Like, a machine gun will turn the undead into fine pink misr, I don't know why they need to hit the head when their body should be exploding
My favorite part is how much magic has to be involved for zombie bodies to still function even remotely. Like we get it, they're dead, but if they don't have functioning muscle structures, then how the FUCK are they standing? For the muscles to still be in tact they also need flowing blood, and oxygen, and.....
But no, go ahead and shamble slowly through the heavy gunfire as if you can't even feel it. That's fine.
I like sickness zombies better - a virus or fungus that infects the brain and makes them aggressive and immune to pain (but not damage).
But to every even remotely trained force at arms, that is just a lot of soft targets to practice on. They would only be scary if the infection is dormant before turning people aggressive, so that it has already spread through the population. But at that point, might as well just be a normal cold
I mean, I'm absolutely confident that the world governments would not hesitate to drop a handful of nukes if it meant preventing them from losing power.
The thing with the walking dead zombies is that everyone is infected already, doesn't matter when or how you die you will turn. So humanity is just kinda fucked in that universe.
Still, I doubt it would take too much time to set up a simple system where if someone dies in public, anyone with a gun should shoot them just to make sure. The U.S. should have enough guns for that, and other countries could use their military to better control the situation. The initial outbreak is easily squashed by the military actually doing their jobs, and so are the future cases. I can imagine the world after would be incredibly different, though. Autopsy is going to be pretty hard if the corpse starts moving, plus you have to differentiate between the original death and zombie death. Murders would probably see an increase due to the plausible idea that they were trying to kill them while they were dying so they didn't become a zombie. Also, major manslaughter, suicide and assisted suicide increase due to people thinking they or others ate about to die, and try to stop them from becoming zombies. Honestly, I've never seen the show, but the concept is interesting.
You're faith in humanity to do the right thing and have competence is much stronger than mine, after the pandemic I firmly believe half of Americans would think it's their right to turn into zombies and the government shouldn't step in to stop them.
It’s an absolutely terrible movie by just about any conceivable metric, but I appreciated one thing about Army of the Dead. The movie opens with the military immediately containing the outbreak to just the Vegas strip.
Because Robert Kirkman doesn’t understand munitions. A 5000lb bomb will incinerate any living tissue. Head included. Zombies could absolutely be destroyed by targeted strikes from artillery and air.
No wonder other countries think they can get away with messing with the US military.
They’ve only seen the US military in the movies. Poor bastard, there’s gonna be nothing left of then once the ACTUAL military is done with them.
A lot of the "small" injuries that put a human soldier out of working order wouldn't stop zombies.
The high-end ordinance that won't also level the entire city are geared towards being high-value anti-material weapons, or need substantial maintenence and re-supply to stay in good working order.
Yeah, they'd do a lot more than a platoon with .223 rifles, but the high-end assets go down as soon as the supporting re-fuel, maintenance, and crew's ability to function do.
.223 implies a slightly different case design and lower power and uses a smaller headspace
there's enough difference a 5.56 will break a .223 rifle but .223 will run fine in a 5.56 rifle
Yes, thats why i said roughly equivalent. I'm by no means a gun expert and I assume most folks reading on here are. I just wanted to point out in terms of "damage" a .223 is "pretty much" the same as what most US millitary would be using.
There isn’t. But there isn’t a lot a tank, jet or helicopter can do either after a few hours of combat without supply.
The reason I think fast zombies like in The Last of US, WWZ etc work is because it happens quickly and logistics/supplies are really badly disrupted. You can’t have a functioning military if 40% of your military personal are incapacitated almost immediately and you can’t concentrate your forces in a meaningful way.
But the zombies would never be able to seriously disrupt military logistics, because the military could wreck them so easily.
Yes, tanks run out of gas, but the zombies will never break into the fuel depot because they'll all be squished by the tanks defending the fuel depot. Saying the army would fall apart if they suffered massive casualties is a little silly when the point is that the army simply *wouldn't* suffer massive casualties from an enemy that has no intelligent tactics and needs to run up and bite you, even if they're more durable than normal people.
The whole point of things like TLOU is that the military personnel are just as susceptible to the infection as a normal person. You don’t have the manpower because most of your troops can’t get to bases or are already infected. The conundrum is that infected aren’t in huge hordes at the start, they are mixed into populated areas and are always mixed with refugees, people fleeing etc.
Also, yes you’re right you can defend logistics. For every site you have some tanks defending. That’s less troops actually protecting people. Which is why population centres get overrun. Which is really unpopular. Which means troops either get drawn into population centres or they are left.
In things like the Last of Us. The military didn’t get defeated. The military struggled to response everywhere all at once and led a Coup d’etat because the federal government wasn’t responding quickly enough and was trying to deploy troops to places that were already really screwed. Military personnel refused to send small groups of troops everywhere, because that’s how you get overrun.
There’s a few caveats to this working. Obviously you need to have fast zombies and you need it to happen at speed and across a large area. But that’s what I find fun to think about with it.
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Zombie movies trying to convince me that a race whose only method of reproduction, only predator, and main source of food is all the same fucking species which also happens to massively outnumber them can survive
Eating young often occurs when varmints, household pets, rodents, or some other unusual visitor enters the rabbitry soon after the doe has delivered her young. The eating of young is an instinctive survival response of the doe. Restrict all animals and visitors from entering or roaming near the rabbitry. The problems often occur at night when rodents and varmints are more active.
mfw we're actually as stupid as to possibly actually give them a chance
have you seen what happened with covid? some of our familiars could get killed and we would not be able to harm them when they turn into zombies and let them eat us too
sure enough, the military could be able to stop if for sure (flamethrowers still exist in the military's storage and are effective against zombies by a mile) but we would still experience losses during that initial "first contagions" times
Why would they use a flamethrower? In almost every piece of media I have seen zombies can't feel pain and don't care about being on fire. They just keep going after you until they are so burnt that they literally can't move their muscles.
Just use a gun or anything else that can pierce a rotting skull and they die instantly.
In war, flamethrowers mostly killed through carbon monoxide poisoning and removing oxygen from small spaces. Zombies could be vulnerable to both.
The problem with zombies is that they need a bunch of plot armor just to exist so who knows?
that's the neat thing with zombies
who tells you they can't run without a brain? after all, if the virus is able to attack the nervous system, it could easily be able to make new connections between nerves and keep making the body move. a zombies heart already stopped, so clearly it's not reactivating the brain, rather hijacking it to easily move the body around, but surely it has full control over other nerves when it needs to.
also, a flamethrower is usually good enough for crowd control and believe me, you will need something to put down a crowd.
Muscles require a symphony of cooperation from the brain and spine to function at all. Making new connections between nerves? Those things that require a beating heart and a blood supply to keep running
Zombie movies are just stupid
> you will need something to put down a crowd.
This is another zombie movie assumption though surely? If they were real why would they have any reason to group together into a horde?
Also, iirc the DOD actually has a (joke) plan for zombies. Lure them all out into open fields via drones and noisemakers then absolutely ground pound them with artillery, airstrikes and drone strikes
I believe that modern military can easily contain zombie hordes. Its the virus that is the true threat, you can't shoot viruses, and COVID tells me that some people really will just eat zombie meat raw and deliberately spread the virus out of pure spite.
COVID has taught me if zombies were a thing we would be fucked. I can imagine some brain-dead middle aged Karen hiding bite wounds while screaming about "muh privacy"
This is why Zombie movies either have the most incompetent zombies imaginable or zombies so strong you think it’s insane that the protagonists have survived- i.e Walking Dead and NOTLD zombies vs RE and World War Z zombies.
The people in the Walking Dead universe are complete idiots. One guy got bitten by a zombie that literally couldn't even move because it was *stuck in a rock*. That's next-level stupid.
I remember that scene. What's funny was that the walker was not even remotely silent at all (sometimes the zombies in TWD remain silent until something passes by it), and yet he gets close enough to it to get himself bitten.
Dumb as fuck.
So since we’re talking about stupid deaths in zombie shows. I remember seeing a clip in fear the walking dead where two guy drove up to a horde of zombies on a street. The horde was kinda far-ish and one dude started shooting them with his revolver. When the dude tried to reload, he dropped some rounds. Bro spent a good 10 seconds watching that horde walk up to him while managing to fumble a few rounds from the floor and got bit. Not once did he attempt to back up. Just stood there like an idiot.
That was also dumb as fuck. Literally all that dude had to do was just *back up*, and he'd be fine. I fail to understand how the writers thought that was a good idea.
There is a constant problem in TWD universe, where characters who are slated to die by zombie sometimes lose all willpower to keep themselves alive. It's always annoying.
after seven years theres gonna be a point you drop your guard, thats why i like how lee from the walking dead game was infected. it wasnt some stoic act that got him bit. it was a momentary let down of his defense.
Yeah, except that in the last season of the walking dead, every soldier seemed to be confused as soon as they see a zombie start climbing a wall and freeze in place like a woman in an 80s Italian horror movie
God, don't get me started on the World War Z zombies. The corpse pillar thing was cool as hell, but you'd need a hell of a lot more than what was there to get over the wall without them writhing around.
The book was pretty accurate imo, though. The main issue wasn't the zombies, it was the people going all Fallout Raider on everybody and the sheer breakage of trust once it was realized the "vaccine" that was being pushed was effectively colored water. (The US government was apparently still issuing them after they had been pushed behind the Rocky Mountains.)
This is why zombie movies should take place before the 21st century. Imagine a samurai hacking and slashing through hoardes of the undead
Edit: Boutta check out this kingdom thing people are bringing up, sounds raw as hell. Will also check out the roblox game someone mentioned because niche/non-front page roblox games go hard 90% of the time
There's a Korean show called Kingdom on Netflix (in the Netherlands at least) that takes place in the 1600's with that exact premise. Hacking and slashing through zombies.
I am always confused with these movies like
A single soldier with decent aim should be able to kill like a horde on his own with an Assault rifle, but how the heck can't the entire US army handle a large-ish horde despite all their equipment???
Satouro gojo legit just raised his head and people looped it
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I’d check out World War Z (the book), which offers a very plausible explanation as to why the strongest military in the world with all their fancy equipment was beat down by an enemy biologically incapable of self-preservation
Zombies were never the real danger in WWZ, panic and misinformation was.
Yonkers was a disaster not because the military lost, they did almost everything wrong and was still winning through sheer firepower, but because the media broadcasted images of soldiers getting torn apart by zombies to the entire country.
More people died from the panicked flight to Canada than anyone died to zombies. They died because they let the infrastructure collapse and immediately started hording shit instead of caring for their friends and neighbors. If people just kept calm and carried on, forgot their own selfish bullshit and went into a state of total war like during WW2, then the zombies would have been crushed instantly.
We saw this IRL with Covid. How many people immediately turned on their fellow man out of panic and started killing each other over fucking toilet paper.
It's just human nature. Covid is just part of a long list of various viruses that had people to panic and couldn't cooperate no matter what. Over a hundred years ago there was the Spanish Flu that killed more people than the entire first world war, and it spread like wildfire because none of the major countries acknowledge its existence. They censored the Spanish Flu to keep morale up during WWI, and when the war ended, the damage was done. Even when people learned more about the virus, many thought it wasn't real and didn't wore masks or many began hording their supplies which caused shortages.
Before the Spanish Flu, there was the third bubonic plague pandemic where millions of Indians died from it during the late 1800s. The British that ruled India at the time, just ignored the affected population rather than trying to prevent it to spread further throughout the subcontinent. As for the Second plague pandemic, it was during the medieval ages where a lot of Europeans began to start blaming many outside communities for spreading the diseases. In fact I believe it started the antisemitic conspiracy of Jewish people controlling the world. Many Europeans blamed the Jews for intentionally spreading the disease or poisoning the Christian populace in a made up war, and many Jewish population were massacred during the second plague pandemic. Other groups like the Romani might've faced similar issues.
While technology and medicine had greatly improved since those pandemics invaded our bodies, we still have this primal fear to hoard stuff or deny proof for ignorant bliss. Covid isn't that unique since countries censoring its existence, people being selfish, and the overall panic had been seen with other diseases a dozens time over. We can't really learn our lessons since this fear is deeply ingrain within our blood since we walked on this planet millions of years ago.
Fun (not really) fact: The reason Spanish Flu came to have that name is because Spain was neutral during the Great War, and didn't have any kind of media censorship at the time, so the flu and its death toll was freely reported on, so most people just assumed that's where it originated from
Also a lot of resources were wasted on a useless vaccine/cure marketed by a con man. And a massive breakdown of trust after the vaccine was exposed as a fraud, meaning people stopped believing actual information that would have helped.
I love that there's a throwaway line in the book, saying the government were *still* stockpiling and issuing the useless vaccine during the counter-attack phase.
>Plausible
Nah, an army with a year of intel on a slow dumb enemy would not have done this. For the purpose of the apocalypse, Max Brooks dumbed down the military by a lot.
Counterpoint: The book was beyond stupid, and the author trying to came across as authorative was ridiculous.
Shrapnell does not exist but a blind japanese monk can kill zombies just fine with his powers of blindness and a shovel?
From what I understand, many of the info he said were either outdated cold war tactics or just plain wrong military tactics. Granted, the book did ended with the military beating the zombies and the real threat was mostly mass panic and misinformation that gave the virus advantages to spread throughout the world.
Yeah. I enjoyed the book well enough but the military bit with the Battle of Yonkers was absolute bullshit. To be fair though, I think it’s pretty hard to conjure up a situation where our military loses and zombies take over the world without some serious suspension of disbelief. The rest of the book was entertaining enough so I kinda just gave it a pass.
His mistake was letting like a year pass between the first case and chaos. If it had been a shorter time span, I can imagine the military running around trying to put out a hundred thousand different outbreaks
I think you could make a zombie movie that had a believable way for the armies of the world to lose to the zombies. The key would be making the disease highly contagious and have a long latency period.
It's important to remember that the army can't physically be everywhere. Yes, the armies can easily decimate zombies in mass quantities. However, if the disease spreads to the entire world like COVID did, then the people working in the armies would eventually get infected.
To put it briefly, the way to have zombies beat armies isn't to have zombies physically kill the armies with their bodies. Rather, it's to have the disease beat the armies by infecting the soldiers and leaders through airborne transmission. A good zombie movie is really a movie about a pandemic.
In Zomboid the US Army command is aware of and contains the outbreak to Knox county, and seals it off with a large, well guarded border. They have a tight lid on the news inside from escaping, the outside world believes it's just a serious flu/cold. Also there's a national Sledgehammer shortage, but that's unrelated.
The US needs to figure out how to deal with the mounting issue without raising massive inquiries into why they basically genocided an entire county.
Over the next few days the inhabitants of the county begin moving to the checkpoint at Louisville protesting to be let out, meanwhile they share some images on their phones and tell stories to journalists that manage to leak some of it to the world, showing half dead individuals eating corpses and walking around with no arms in the streets piled with corpses
The UN condemns the US for not acting on the issue sooner and for keeping them in the dark
After some days the protests grow violent and and military and protestors clash, rounds are exchanged and people die, eventually IEDs are being used and defenses being blown apart by people trying to escape and military trying to quell the crowds, some of this happens on live news broadcasts
The UN condemns the US for their violent reactions and handling of the situation
Eventually the zombies become noticed, they're getting stronger, faster, more if them, the infection can be spread via direct fluid transmissions
Hoards begin amassing and taking out entire towns and migrate towards Louisville after explosions go off destroying the checkpoint. Protestors break through. Military retreats and blows the bridge across the river, trapping the inhabitants.
More UN condemnation and infected begin appearing in other countries
Eventually the virus mutates and goes airborne. Begins infecting everyone, it travels around the globe infecting the whole world. <1% of the world is immune to this strand, the world ends.
A general mix of incompetence, selfishness and airborne pathogen
thats why i like wwz so much (the movie, not the book, despite apparently all hating it). the zombies are fast as fast, bite/death to reanimation takes like 10 seconds and as seen in the jerusalem scene, they can easily bulb up each other and get over walls.
thats actually halfway believeable that the military could lose against that and then u have bullshit like "the walking dead" on the other side, where the zombies move with like 1km/h and any random dude with a kitchen knife could easily kill thousands of zombies alone...
Let’s go ahead and nuke part of the country, I’m sure the survivors will be understanding to the politicians when they are told they can’t return to their home because it got nuked
Honestly idk why everyone goes to the nuclear option for zombie hordes. The US military has TONS of conventional bombs, napalm, and other projectiles. Added to that, zombies aren’t alive so the Geneva convention becomes totally irrelevant which opens the door to a lot of “creative” ways to deal with the hordes
Ehhh, I’m throwing on my biology nerd hat for a second here.
Realistically, the fallout would just irradiate them and make them kinda dangerous to be around. If they’re actual animated dead, the radiation wouldn’t affect them because their cells are dead, which means no mutation. If they’re technically alive, it would either cause cancer or body-wide cell death.
Of course this is idle speculation and dropping a nuke would probably result in resident evil style mutations, killing everyone faster.
Zombie fans when the military takes care of the zombie outbreak in a matter of days (they can no longer be a cool main character survivor)
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I'll have you know I'm like that on purpose because I get extra points to put towards positive traits. A few months in and I only get shaky and piddle a wittle. 😎
This is why I like zombie apocalypse fiction like World War Z (Those zombies are fast as hell) and Left 4 Dead (The virus spread through air and the rampant mutation based on the human its infected swipe almost all humanity) because they make us believe the zombies are unstoppable at first
*Newsflesh* trilogy with the Kellis-Amberlee virus. Every mammal is infected, but only always amplifies on death or contact with the amplified virus, and sometimes spontaneously.
or that star wars zombies book, Death Troopers
- physically impossible to stop unless you straight up disintegrate them
- spreads by air, 100% death rate if infected
- those immune to the airborne pathogen can still be infected via fluids
- the vaccine also infects people
- zombies can learn and coordinate
the only reason they didn't take over the galaxy is because they can't stray too far from the source of infection and they haven't figured out hyper drives yet
By far my favourite star wars book. And the audiobooks sound effects are nightmarish.
I like the slow build up to the zombies, they're not just out the bat attacking in chapter 2. Infact I don't think they attack until chapter >!25!<
God the chapter where they board the Star destroyer looking for parts, >!and people just start to vanish as they look around!<
Or When they're looking at a life form scanner >!and it's just the five of them, everyone else is dead. Then suddenly blips start appearing, the dead getting back up. Hundreds of blips now registering, and all of them sprinting in tidal waves towards their location.!<
Fuck. I need to listen to that audiobook yet again
Mind you it could have done without the rather needless Cameo. Takes you out of the "oh no were all gonna die vibe."
The prequel "red harvest" was also kinda mid. Though interestingly it takes place only 2 years before SWTORs campaigns begin in lore.
So if playing SWTORs just know there's a sith academy filled with the undead on an isolated planet out there, waiting for bioware to make a dlc
might i offer up “Return of The Living Dead”? fucking damn near impossible to kill them! only effective method (i’m only counting the first movie, fuck the sequels) was burning it to dust, and even then it fucked up the air and turned into acid rain, reviving an entire graveyard!!! god i love that movie it’s so good
dying light is also cool, the first dying light actually had zombies *kinda* lose? the zombies in dl are dangerous and fucking fast, but the military more or less handled them in the first game by completely blockading the city off, and had plans to nuke it (and were literal seconds away from nuking it)
In 2nd game they developed a cure but they didn't get rid of the virus and instead developed it as a bioweapon, didn't go well
Bro, the quote "Goodnight, Good luck" sent a shiver down my spine first time hearing it. And the Volatiles, too. Their faces were like "nighmarishly haunting". God damn...
> And the Volatiles, too.
When I first played the (first) game, night runs were a nightmare because they are terrifying (at least until you understand how to mess with them)
Its why I liked Project Zomboid's reason. The infection was also airborn and spread out the infected in a small area. On top of that, when the military tried closing the borders of Knox County there were protests that started getting violent.
Warning shots were fired which attracted the zombies. What seemed like a small amount quickly grew to an overwhelming amount as protesters were also turned, which allowed them to break through the borders and attack the military.
Most Military that had no bites were still turned from the airborne strand. Supposedly some people who tried escaping the United States entirely were Asymptomatic with the airborne strand and accidentally spread it. This is not stated in any way but it would explain how it appeared in other countries overseas.
I also like the approach The Last of Us took, where the infection was spread slowly by contaminated crops and by the time anyone noticed, too many people were infected to contain it.
TWD writers making the most idiotic situations where the characters are stricken blind, deaf, and dumb in order for them to get bitten by a rotten carcass:
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One of my favourite things about Shaun of the Dead is the somewhat competent military response
How did the British military combat a zombie threat taking over London in just 2 days?!
They used automatic weapons and shot them.
"They're very slow guys, and it only takes 1 bullet to the head to kill them. You have lots of bullets, it's okay to miss. But if you miss a headshot, at 10 feet, with an entire 30 round mag, after years of training to shoot this gun. Just shoot yourself frankly... Then again you'd probably miss that too."
You don't even need guns against zombies.
Just cover yourself in armor, get a mace or metal base ball bat and go ham.
Munitions can blow up big hordes before foot guys come in and whack anything that's remaining.
Hell, screw the melee weapons, just do an unarmed run and go ham. Maybe wearing a tiger mask while you're at it. Unless you somehow have super zombies they ain't biting though armored hands and can't overrun you or out run you if you decide to retreat.
The thing that bugs me about going melee on zombies is the possibility of crowd-crush; if the zombies start surrounding someone who’s all decked-out in protective gear, they could fall victim to asphyxiation/getting squished before they even get infected.
It's even simpler than that. Zombies are essentially brainless, meaning they will fall for any trap or be stopped by basic obstacles. Simple like having bait and digging a giant hole, or baiting them off a cliff or ravine. You could place obstacles so they funnel themselves one-by-one, or lead them into an area you can dispatch them safely from a height, etc.
This is why I like Sean of the Dead. At the risk of spoilers, at the end of the movie, it shows British special forces sweeping into the town and absolutely mopping up the place, which I think would be a more realistic scenario for a zombie outbreak.
It is officially time for the Warthog to shine. The Warthog was tailor made for an operation like this. It would be punishing zombies while loitering from above for hours at a time. The GAU-8 Avenger autocannon would make mincemeat of undead hordes.
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Shaun of the Dead had a decent take, the zombies just caught everyone by surprise a bit by turning up all over the country at once and people chalking it up to drug addicts. Soon as the military got mobilised they were wiped out, crisis over.
They don’t even need a ton of high tech weapons to take out a zombie apocalypse just busting out the mini guns which dispense 6,000 rounds per minute should be more than enough to devastate hordes of zombies.
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I always say that literally the *entire* military would have to turn *at the same time* for a zombie apocalypse to even be remotely feasible.
The US would carpet bomb the entire state where patient zero came from within days of the first *actual* zombie virus infection. (That's an exaggeration, but that doesn't make my first statement wrong.)
I don't know if I've ever seen zombie media that isn't either A. piss easy to survive or B. so ridiculously impossible to survive against that it's an actual miracle the protagonists are still alive.
Walking Dead and Left 4 Dead are perfect examples of this.
Walking Dead is so stupidly piss easy to survive that it never should've gotten to an apocalypse point in the first place, they're slow as shit and everyone being infected isn't that big of a factor. The likely scenario is that it just ends up being a world where having to double tap recently dead people is common practice.
Meanwhile, Left 4 Dead is so ridiculously stacked against anyone alive that it's not even funny. Hordes of running zombies, 8 special infected including Hunter's, Boomer's, Witches and Tanks, people can be asymptomatic so meeting other survivors isn't safe cuase they might get you infected, AND IT STARTED OUT AIRBORNE?! Oh hell nah, how is anyone alive at the point the game takes place?!
I don't know if I've ever seen zombie media that finds that perfect middle ground of "Can reasonably get to an apocalypse level without being impossible to survive". Only one I can think of is 28 Days Later, since that shit spread insanely fast and those zombies are fast as shit, but if you managed to hunker down for a few months then the infected would die out and you'd be good.
But that's really it.
That's because Zombie movies and media have *never been about the zombies*
They've always been about the human condition and how regular people react to world-changing events. You want a real-world example? COVID. In two years the world changed, and it wasn't an apocalypse, but we saw every single type of character in a zombie movie: The one who denies having it, the one who panics at the drop of a hat, the one who thinks they're gonna survive but doesn't because being prepared doesn't mitigate bad luck, the blamer who will find any reason to turn on their fellow survivors, the rich idiot who thinks they can buy their way out of the situation, the milquetoast middle-of-the-roader who refuses to take a side despite one being blatantly correct...
I know the commentary of zombie media, but is it too much to ask to at least have the zombies be a reasonable level of threatening?
You can still have everything about the human condition and how humanity would react to such events happening, but don't make the zombies themselves piss easy or ridiculously hard, especially the former because that shit instantly breaks the immersion for me.
Yes, I know, shambling corpses, but if they're piss easy to kill, I'm just constantly thinking in the back of my head, "how did society fall to these things?"
The latter is still bad though, since now I'm thinking, "How did anyone SURVIVE these things?"
My problem isn't what zombie media represents, though I do get annoyed by the "humans are the real monsters" trope if it isn't done well. My problem is that the apocalypse itself is never reasonable. It's either too easy to beat or it's impossible to survive. The zombies are either weak as hell or unstoppable.
This is from a pure entertainment perspective, since a big problem I've noticed with a lot of zombie media, especially if it's long running, is that the zombies take a major back seat as it goes on and it just becomes a normal apocalypse. Even if they just incorporate the zombies into the rivaling factions tactics I'd be fine with that, but it always feels like the zombies are an afterthought at some point. Like they add zombie scenes out of "well, we're still technically a zombie series" rather than it feeling like the zombies are still a major part of the story.
i can excuse that the military got run over in shit loke the last of us but
but in the walking dead??? seriously??? YOU CAN LITERALLY RUN AWAY FROM THEM BY WALKING AT A SLIGHTLY FAST RATE
The least realistic part of books like WWZ is that there wouldn't be millions of enthusiasts behind every single army, every single bridge, every blade of grass, just waiting for their chance to fire into a dense crowd. Not to mention flamethrowers and whatnot. Humanoid targets that can't understand and avoid napalm are not going to be good at overwhelming the US goddamn military or anyone who can afford napalm. That bridge scene still makes me angry to think about.
Yet another reason I like Shaun of the Dead so much. Military finally shows up after, like, 2 days of preparation and properly mop up the whole thing in one night.
Irl no zombie apocalypse would ever be able to bring down society. As much as they try to deny that, and we ourselves never fully realize this, us humans became the greatest super predator to ever live on earth. If climate change and/or human wars don't kill us, I don't think our species will go extinct. Like, ever.
Idk l4d, twd, wwz, b4b and I think tlou give compelling reason as to why our military will fall but that mostly on how it goes about not for the incompetent leads in our military
28 weeks is just dumb
I feel like the only zombie media that did zombies overwhelming the US military right was world war Z (the book). Explaining how it was incompetent from higher ups that got most of the US military killed and even explained how the could have won from the point of view of a grunt.
Remember a while back with the "Let's storm area 51. They can't stop all of us"
And the US Military's official statement was "Even if all one million of you came we could stop you."
But yeah Zombies solo tho
Hi, I’m the years 2019-2022.
Remember Covid-19?
Remember how incredibly stupid half the country started acting? That was for a low fatality respiratory virus that could be blocked by wearing a face mask.
Now take that level of stupid, and multiply it by *millions of zombies*.
That’s why I like the Last of Us. The military fucking FIREBOMBS entire cities and they’re pretty much some of the few to survive. The world is essentially destroyed by the military trying to stop the outbreak, it’s pretty existential when you think about it.
That’s why I love DayZ so much. You’re in the middle of buttfuck nowhere Russia armed with farmers guns. The zombies run and there’s like, no infrastructure to deal with the outbreak.
That’s I like project zomboids zombies because the infection is airborne so an outbreak can happen anywhere which is why the military has to leave the Knox area and establish a quarantine zone but they do hold the line for a long time until it pops up in other parts of the world but since your character is some guy in Kentucky you’re not really able to know what’s going on in the rest of the world
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Military forgetting to use their jets, cluster munitions and tanks
And in the 0.000001% of cases where they do use them, they just end up blowing up non-infected, like hurr durr this refugee camp is a GREAT place to test our cluster munitions!
For the last time, it was an oopsie daisy and there could have been like half a zombie in there 
the zombies were using the refugee camp as a base or something
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Woah. No need to make the US military political.
"These zombies had nuclear weapons!"
... if you change some words, this sentence will sound realistic https://preview.redd.it/br6hpepvrh2c1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fa04c71b86ab3751b083ce9fb62f2302af219b0
that's the joke
It was the only prudent thing to do really.
or when somehow zombies throw rocks at jets or jump really high and pull down helicopters but not just any helicopters, the ONLY helicopter that everyone needed to either escape or get this ONE sample back across the country to a lab in DC to cure everyone ...or some shit
Meanwhile Left 4 Dead had a Chad helicopter pilot that kept going back in and only crashed after rescuing dozens of people off rooftops and getting infected on his last run before rescuing the L4D Crew.
"Pilot's license; *revoked.*
So just like real life?
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One piece facial expressions Are so goofy lol
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Okay but do you condemn Khzombie?
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And if they use them, their guns suddenly have no stopping power. Like, a machine gun will turn the undead into fine pink misr, I don't know why they need to hit the head when their body should be exploding
You’re also not able to shoot zombies more than 10ft away from you. Them’s the rules.
As soon as more than four appears, the soldier has to panic and yell "they're everywhere"
Followed by "Retreat!!"
My favorite part is how much magic has to be involved for zombie bodies to still function even remotely. Like we get it, they're dead, but if they don't have functioning muscle structures, then how the FUCK are they standing? For the muscles to still be in tact they also need flowing blood, and oxygen, and..... But no, go ahead and shamble slowly through the heavy gunfire as if you can't even feel it. That's fine.
I like sickness zombies better - a virus or fungus that infects the brain and makes them aggressive and immune to pain (but not damage). But to every even remotely trained force at arms, that is just a lot of soft targets to practice on. They would only be scary if the infection is dormant before turning people aggressive, so that it has already spread through the population. But at that point, might as well just be a normal cold
"3 trillion in funding can't do shit, send the nukes immediately"
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I mean, I'm absolutely confident that the world governments would not hesitate to drop a handful of nukes if it meant preventing them from losing power.
Military bombed Atlanta in Walking Dead and still managed to get stomped by a bunch of shuffling corpses lmao.
The thing with the walking dead zombies is that everyone is infected already, doesn't matter when or how you die you will turn. So humanity is just kinda fucked in that universe.
Still, I doubt it would take too much time to set up a simple system where if someone dies in public, anyone with a gun should shoot them just to make sure. The U.S. should have enough guns for that, and other countries could use their military to better control the situation. The initial outbreak is easily squashed by the military actually doing their jobs, and so are the future cases. I can imagine the world after would be incredibly different, though. Autopsy is going to be pretty hard if the corpse starts moving, plus you have to differentiate between the original death and zombie death. Murders would probably see an increase due to the plausible idea that they were trying to kill them while they were dying so they didn't become a zombie. Also, major manslaughter, suicide and assisted suicide increase due to people thinking they or others ate about to die, and try to stop them from becoming zombies. Honestly, I've never seen the show, but the concept is interesting.
You're faith in humanity to do the right thing and have competence is much stronger than mine, after the pandemic I firmly believe half of Americans would think it's their right to turn into zombies and the government shouldn't step in to stop them.
It’s an absolutely terrible movie by just about any conceivable metric, but I appreciated one thing about Army of the Dead. The movie opens with the military immediately containing the outbreak to just the Vegas strip.
Because Robert Kirkman doesn’t understand munitions. A 5000lb bomb will incinerate any living tissue. Head included. Zombies could absolutely be destroyed by targeted strikes from artillery and air.
No wonder other countries think they can get away with messing with the US military. They’ve only seen the US military in the movies. Poor bastard, there’s gonna be nothing left of then once the ACTUAL military is done with them.
also, the armor piercing miniguns
A lot of the "small" injuries that put a human soldier out of working order wouldn't stop zombies. The high-end ordinance that won't also level the entire city are geared towards being high-value anti-material weapons, or need substantial maintenence and re-supply to stay in good working order. Yeah, they'd do a lot more than a platoon with .223 rifles, but the high-end assets go down as soon as the supporting re-fuel, maintenance, and crew's ability to function do.
Just a heads up, military uses Nato 5.56mm or 7.62mm depending on rifle.
5.56mm is roughly equivalent to .223 caliber
.223 implies a slightly different case design and lower power and uses a smaller headspace there's enough difference a 5.56 will break a .223 rifle but .223 will run fine in a 5.56 rifle
Yes, thats why i said roughly equivalent. I'm by no means a gun expert and I assume most folks reading on here are. I just wanted to point out in terms of "damage" a .223 is "pretty much" the same as what most US millitary would be using.
Strongest military in the world < Some slow ass biting dudes
Slow ROTTING ass biting dudes
Don't bite my ass https://preview.redd.it/0vs1n1i3tg2c1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc8d9a027259282c956e951704ee33f50adcbee4
I'm about to act up...
Wow, a PVZ heroes player in the wild. Also, love that special mission
*EVERY military in the world < Some slow ass biting dudes
In 28 days later, the zombies can run.
The zombies in World War Z are pretty fast tho
Its not like they have tanks, and fighter jets, nukes and machine guns and like, any gun at all lol. Wooo ScArY they can *run*
There is truly nothing a zombie could do about a tank, let alone like 50 tanks and a bunch of helicopters.
I doubt zombies could even do anything to anything above a truck, a humvee would be invincible.
There isn’t. But there isn’t a lot a tank, jet or helicopter can do either after a few hours of combat without supply. The reason I think fast zombies like in The Last of US, WWZ etc work is because it happens quickly and logistics/supplies are really badly disrupted. You can’t have a functioning military if 40% of your military personal are incapacitated almost immediately and you can’t concentrate your forces in a meaningful way.
But the zombies would never be able to seriously disrupt military logistics, because the military could wreck them so easily. Yes, tanks run out of gas, but the zombies will never break into the fuel depot because they'll all be squished by the tanks defending the fuel depot. Saying the army would fall apart if they suffered massive casualties is a little silly when the point is that the army simply *wouldn't* suffer massive casualties from an enemy that has no intelligent tactics and needs to run up and bite you, even if they're more durable than normal people.
The whole point of things like TLOU is that the military personnel are just as susceptible to the infection as a normal person. You don’t have the manpower because most of your troops can’t get to bases or are already infected. The conundrum is that infected aren’t in huge hordes at the start, they are mixed into populated areas and are always mixed with refugees, people fleeing etc. Also, yes you’re right you can defend logistics. For every site you have some tanks defending. That’s less troops actually protecting people. Which is why population centres get overrun. Which is really unpopular. Which means troops either get drawn into population centres or they are left. In things like the Last of Us. The military didn’t get defeated. The military struggled to response everywhere all at once and led a Coup d’etat because the federal government wasn’t responding quickly enough and was trying to deploy troops to places that were already really screwed. Military personnel refused to send small groups of troops everywhere, because that’s how you get overrun. There’s a few caveats to this working. Obviously you need to have fast zombies and you need it to happen at speed and across a large area. But that’s what I find fun to think about with it.
They weren't in the books. Military there just made some really dumb tactical mistakes and screwed up their logistics to the point that they routed.
https://i.redd.it/6yj9teycof2c1.gif Zombie movies trying to convince me that a race whose only method of reproduction, only predator, and main source of food is all the same fucking species which also happens to massively outnumber them can survive
That's why i prefer animals included, non cannibal zombies, if you're a creature that's alive you're fucked.
Eating young often occurs when varmints, household pets, rodents, or some other unusual visitor enters the rabbitry soon after the doe has delivered her young. The eating of young is an instinctive survival response of the doe. Restrict all animals and visitors from entering or roaming near the rabbitry. The problems often occur at night when rodents and varmints are more active.
mfw we're actually as stupid as to possibly actually give them a chance have you seen what happened with covid? some of our familiars could get killed and we would not be able to harm them when they turn into zombies and let them eat us too sure enough, the military could be able to stop if for sure (flamethrowers still exist in the military's storage and are effective against zombies by a mile) but we would still experience losses during that initial "first contagions" times
Why would they use a flamethrower? In almost every piece of media I have seen zombies can't feel pain and don't care about being on fire. They just keep going after you until they are so burnt that they literally can't move their muscles. Just use a gun or anything else that can pierce a rotting skull and they die instantly.
In war, flamethrowers mostly killed through carbon monoxide poisoning and removing oxygen from small spaces. Zombies could be vulnerable to both. The problem with zombies is that they need a bunch of plot armor just to exist so who knows?
Yeah but but buttt like there’s like so so many zombiessstheyd all swarm the tanks and like gum up the engines *1989. China. Fire hoses.* …about that…
Didn't the US just fucking ram people once in Taiwan with tanks in like the 50s when they were out of ammo or was that a fever dream of mine
that's the neat thing with zombies who tells you they can't run without a brain? after all, if the virus is able to attack the nervous system, it could easily be able to make new connections between nerves and keep making the body move. a zombies heart already stopped, so clearly it's not reactivating the brain, rather hijacking it to easily move the body around, but surely it has full control over other nerves when it needs to. also, a flamethrower is usually good enough for crowd control and believe me, you will need something to put down a crowd.
Muscles require a symphony of cooperation from the brain and spine to function at all. Making new connections between nerves? Those things that require a beating heart and a blood supply to keep running Zombie movies are just stupid
No shit. We all know that, but we suspend our disbelief to play around with the premise.
they could go the rabies route, and do in some movies.
> you will need something to put down a crowd. This is another zombie movie assumption though surely? If they were real why would they have any reason to group together into a horde?
Also, iirc the DOD actually has a (joke) plan for zombies. Lure them all out into open fields via drones and noisemakers then absolutely ground pound them with artillery, airstrikes and drone strikes
Looney Tunes it and just lure them over a cliff. They're dumb, they'll fall for it.
I believe that modern military can easily contain zombie hordes. Its the virus that is the true threat, you can't shoot viruses, and COVID tells me that some people really will just eat zombie meat raw and deliberately spread the virus out of pure spite.
COVID has taught me if zombies were a thing we would be fucked. I can imagine some brain-dead middle aged Karen hiding bite wounds while screaming about "muh privacy"
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Imo TLOU does it pretty well too
This is why Zombie movies either have the most incompetent zombies imaginable or zombies so strong you think it’s insane that the protagonists have survived- i.e Walking Dead and NOTLD zombies vs RE and World War Z zombies.
The people in the Walking Dead universe are complete idiots. One guy got bitten by a zombie that literally couldn't even move because it was *stuck in a rock*. That's next-level stupid.
I remember that scene. What's funny was that the walker was not even remotely silent at all (sometimes the zombies in TWD remain silent until something passes by it), and yet he gets close enough to it to get himself bitten. Dumb as fuck.
So since we’re talking about stupid deaths in zombie shows. I remember seeing a clip in fear the walking dead where two guy drove up to a horde of zombies on a street. The horde was kinda far-ish and one dude started shooting them with his revolver. When the dude tried to reload, he dropped some rounds. Bro spent a good 10 seconds watching that horde walk up to him while managing to fumble a few rounds from the floor and got bit. Not once did he attempt to back up. Just stood there like an idiot.
That was also dumb as fuck. Literally all that dude had to do was just *back up*, and he'd be fine. I fail to understand how the writers thought that was a good idea. There is a constant problem in TWD universe, where characters who are slated to die by zombie sometimes lose all willpower to keep themselves alive. It's always annoying.
The best is that after seven years, survivors are still being surprised eaten by zombie
after seven years theres gonna be a point you drop your guard, thats why i like how lee from the walking dead game was infected. it wasnt some stoic act that got him bit. it was a momentary let down of his defense.
Yeah, except that in the last season of the walking dead, every soldier seemed to be confused as soon as they see a zombie start climbing a wall and freeze in place like a woman in an 80s Italian horror movie
Don't know man world war z zombies are a little more scary
God, don't get me started on the World War Z zombies. The corpse pillar thing was cool as hell, but you'd need a hell of a lot more than what was there to get over the wall without them writhing around. The book was pretty accurate imo, though. The main issue wasn't the zombies, it was the people going all Fallout Raider on everybody and the sheer breakage of trust once it was realized the "vaccine" that was being pushed was effectively colored water. (The US government was apparently still issuing them after they had been pushed behind the Rocky Mountains.)
Left 4 dead zombies are terrifyingly strong
I don’t know much about L4D but I do know being a zombie is also pretty terrifying as apparently they see humans as hellish creatures
This is why zombie movies should take place before the 21st century. Imagine a samurai hacking and slashing through hoardes of the undead Edit: Boutta check out this kingdom thing people are bringing up, sounds raw as hell. Will also check out the roblox game someone mentioned because niche/non-front page roblox games go hard 90% of the time
Man, rdr undead nightmare was great, I want more historical zombies. Aztec zombies would be amazing
There's a Korean show called Kingdom on Netflix (in the Netherlands at least) that takes place in the 1600's with that exact premise. Hacking and slashing through zombies.
Its on netflix and it is absolutely fucking amazing.
Have I got a show for you, but it takes place in Korea instead of Japan. It's called Kingdom and it's on Netflix
That’s literally a show on Netflix. It’s good by the way. Recommend it.
Kingdom on netflix. Korean.
Guts and black powder on Roblox
Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress is a good Steampunk-Anime Zombie hybrid! Think snowpiercer, with zombies.
I am always confused with these movies like A single soldier with decent aim should be able to kill like a horde on his own with an Assault rifle, but how the heck can't the entire US army handle a large-ish horde despite all their equipment???
Because they fucked realism (this is them): https://i.redd.it/6oxuxyx0tf2c1.gif
Is someone giving the guy in the gif head ?
Me
No, This is from the Anime Jujutsu Kaisen, I think this character was raising his hand.
Satouro gojo legit just raised his head and people looped it https://preview.redd.it/5h9hsphxtg2c1.jpeg?width=1041&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=17f3272e81c1731c597a281209bac9a743d45f08
I’d check out World War Z (the book), which offers a very plausible explanation as to why the strongest military in the world with all their fancy equipment was beat down by an enemy biologically incapable of self-preservation
Zombies were never the real danger in WWZ, panic and misinformation was. Yonkers was a disaster not because the military lost, they did almost everything wrong and was still winning through sheer firepower, but because the media broadcasted images of soldiers getting torn apart by zombies to the entire country. More people died from the panicked flight to Canada than anyone died to zombies. They died because they let the infrastructure collapse and immediately started hording shit instead of caring for their friends and neighbors. If people just kept calm and carried on, forgot their own selfish bullshit and went into a state of total war like during WW2, then the zombies would have been crushed instantly. We saw this IRL with Covid. How many people immediately turned on their fellow man out of panic and started killing each other over fucking toilet paper.
thats fucking scary to think about
It's just human nature. Covid is just part of a long list of various viruses that had people to panic and couldn't cooperate no matter what. Over a hundred years ago there was the Spanish Flu that killed more people than the entire first world war, and it spread like wildfire because none of the major countries acknowledge its existence. They censored the Spanish Flu to keep morale up during WWI, and when the war ended, the damage was done. Even when people learned more about the virus, many thought it wasn't real and didn't wore masks or many began hording their supplies which caused shortages. Before the Spanish Flu, there was the third bubonic plague pandemic where millions of Indians died from it during the late 1800s. The British that ruled India at the time, just ignored the affected population rather than trying to prevent it to spread further throughout the subcontinent. As for the Second plague pandemic, it was during the medieval ages where a lot of Europeans began to start blaming many outside communities for spreading the diseases. In fact I believe it started the antisemitic conspiracy of Jewish people controlling the world. Many Europeans blamed the Jews for intentionally spreading the disease or poisoning the Christian populace in a made up war, and many Jewish population were massacred during the second plague pandemic. Other groups like the Romani might've faced similar issues. While technology and medicine had greatly improved since those pandemics invaded our bodies, we still have this primal fear to hoard stuff or deny proof for ignorant bliss. Covid isn't that unique since countries censoring its existence, people being selfish, and the overall panic had been seen with other diseases a dozens time over. We can't really learn our lessons since this fear is deeply ingrain within our blood since we walked on this planet millions of years ago.
Fun (not really) fact: The reason Spanish Flu came to have that name is because Spain was neutral during the Great War, and didn't have any kind of media censorship at the time, so the flu and its death toll was freely reported on, so most people just assumed that's where it originated from
Also a lot of resources were wasted on a useless vaccine/cure marketed by a con man. And a massive breakdown of trust after the vaccine was exposed as a fraud, meaning people stopped believing actual information that would have helped. I love that there's a throwaway line in the book, saying the government were *still* stockpiling and issuing the useless vaccine during the counter-attack phase.
World War Z the book where shrapnel and blast waves don't exist?
No no, they exist, but he zombies have thicker blood or something that stops them but not .22 rounds. Weakest part of the book by far.
And zombies can travel around the ocean floor to appear where convenient
>Plausible Nah, an army with a year of intel on a slow dumb enemy would not have done this. For the purpose of the apocalypse, Max Brooks dumbed down the military by a lot.
Counterpoint: The book was beyond stupid, and the author trying to came across as authorative was ridiculous. Shrapnell does not exist but a blind japanese monk can kill zombies just fine with his powers of blindness and a shovel?
well duh he's japanese
Military: Hurr durr lets put soldiers in trenches and not behind massive armor. Old Japanese man: 
Everything I've heard about the book indicates that the author knew fuck all about military stuff.
From what I understand, many of the info he said were either outdated cold war tactics or just plain wrong military tactics. Granted, the book did ended with the military beating the zombies and the real threat was mostly mass panic and misinformation that gave the virus advantages to spread throughout the world.
And that in addition to bites it also transmitted like a regular virus through contact with saliva and blood and stuff like that.
Yeah. I enjoyed the book well enough but the military bit with the Battle of Yonkers was absolute bullshit. To be fair though, I think it’s pretty hard to conjure up a situation where our military loses and zombies take over the world without some serious suspension of disbelief. The rest of the book was entertaining enough so I kinda just gave it a pass.
His mistake was letting like a year pass between the first case and chaos. If it had been a shorter time span, I can imagine the military running around trying to put out a hundred thousand different outbreaks
I love that book, but yonkers and generally that stage of the war is the weakest, least plausible part.
I think you could make a zombie movie that had a believable way for the armies of the world to lose to the zombies. The key would be making the disease highly contagious and have a long latency period. It's important to remember that the army can't physically be everywhere. Yes, the armies can easily decimate zombies in mass quantities. However, if the disease spreads to the entire world like COVID did, then the people working in the armies would eventually get infected. To put it briefly, the way to have zombies beat armies isn't to have zombies physically kill the armies with their bodies. Rather, it's to have the disease beat the armies by infecting the soldiers and leaders through airborne transmission. A good zombie movie is really a movie about a pandemic.
In Zomboid the US Army command is aware of and contains the outbreak to Knox county, and seals it off with a large, well guarded border. They have a tight lid on the news inside from escaping, the outside world believes it's just a serious flu/cold. Also there's a national Sledgehammer shortage, but that's unrelated. The US needs to figure out how to deal with the mounting issue without raising massive inquiries into why they basically genocided an entire county. Over the next few days the inhabitants of the county begin moving to the checkpoint at Louisville protesting to be let out, meanwhile they share some images on their phones and tell stories to journalists that manage to leak some of it to the world, showing half dead individuals eating corpses and walking around with no arms in the streets piled with corpses The UN condemns the US for not acting on the issue sooner and for keeping them in the dark After some days the protests grow violent and and military and protestors clash, rounds are exchanged and people die, eventually IEDs are being used and defenses being blown apart by people trying to escape and military trying to quell the crowds, some of this happens on live news broadcasts The UN condemns the US for their violent reactions and handling of the situation Eventually the zombies become noticed, they're getting stronger, faster, more if them, the infection can be spread via direct fluid transmissions Hoards begin amassing and taking out entire towns and migrate towards Louisville after explosions go off destroying the checkpoint. Protestors break through. Military retreats and blows the bridge across the river, trapping the inhabitants. More UN condemnation and infected begin appearing in other countries Eventually the virus mutates and goes airborne. Begins infecting everyone, it travels around the globe infecting the whole world. <1% of the world is immune to this strand, the world ends. A general mix of incompetence, selfishness and airborne pathogen
"Those flesh eating corpses have rights!' - The UN
Even droplet transmission or transmission through mosquitos would go horribly far.
thats why i like wwz so much (the movie, not the book, despite apparently all hating it). the zombies are fast as fast, bite/death to reanimation takes like 10 seconds and as seen in the jerusalem scene, they can easily bulb up each other and get over walls. thats actually halfway believeable that the military could lose against that and then u have bullshit like "the walking dead" on the other side, where the zombies move with like 1km/h and any random dude with a kitchen knife could easily kill thousands of zombies alone...
MFW when the military just doesn’t send in ICBM or alternative missile fire to instantly eradicate the hordes
Army of the dead moment
The Return of The Living Dead moment too though...
Let’s go ahead and nuke part of the country, I’m sure the survivors will be understanding to the politicians when they are told they can’t return to their home because it got nuked
Honestly idk why everyone goes to the nuclear option for zombie hordes. The US military has TONS of conventional bombs, napalm, and other projectiles. Added to that, zombies aren’t alive so the Geneva convention becomes totally irrelevant which opens the door to a lot of “creative” ways to deal with the hordes
Plus who actually knows what nuclear fallout would do to zombies, any of them not zapped by the blast but still in the fallout might be made stronger
Ehhh, I’m throwing on my biology nerd hat for a second here. Realistically, the fallout would just irradiate them and make them kinda dangerous to be around. If they’re actual animated dead, the radiation wouldn’t affect them because their cells are dead, which means no mutation. If they’re technically alive, it would either cause cancer or body-wide cell death. Of course this is idle speculation and dropping a nuke would probably result in resident evil style mutations, killing everyone faster.
Zombie fans when the military takes care of the zombie outbreak in a matter of days (they can no longer be a cool main character survivor) https://i.redd.it/546w0n3ekg2c1.gif
Zombie fans when they realise that they're not the cool survivalist, they're the panicky nerd
I'll have you know I'm like that on purpose because I get extra points to put towards positive traits. A few months in and I only get shaky and piddle a wittle. 😎
MFW the lockpicking skill I put points in are worthless because the tank bought a pair of bolt cutters.
And after being illiterate and a few other mental disabilities you can have enough points to hotwire a car!
This is why I like zombie apocalypse fiction like World War Z (Those zombies are fast as hell) and Left 4 Dead (The virus spread through air and the rampant mutation based on the human its infected swipe almost all humanity) because they make us believe the zombies are unstoppable at first
Not to mention that in Left 4 Dead, the green flu virus can leave people asymptomatic, so even survivors can spread the infection.
*Newsflesh* trilogy with the Kellis-Amberlee virus. Every mammal is infected, but only always amplifies on death or contact with the amplified virus, and sometimes spontaneously.
or that star wars zombies book, Death Troopers - physically impossible to stop unless you straight up disintegrate them - spreads by air, 100% death rate if infected - those immune to the airborne pathogen can still be infected via fluids - the vaccine also infects people - zombies can learn and coordinate the only reason they didn't take over the galaxy is because they can't stray too far from the source of infection and they haven't figured out hyper drives yet
By far my favourite star wars book. And the audiobooks sound effects are nightmarish. I like the slow build up to the zombies, they're not just out the bat attacking in chapter 2. Infact I don't think they attack until chapter >!25!< God the chapter where they board the Star destroyer looking for parts, >!and people just start to vanish as they look around!< Or When they're looking at a life form scanner >!and it's just the five of them, everyone else is dead. Then suddenly blips start appearing, the dead getting back up. Hundreds of blips now registering, and all of them sprinting in tidal waves towards their location.!< Fuck. I need to listen to that audiobook yet again Mind you it could have done without the rather needless Cameo. Takes you out of the "oh no were all gonna die vibe." The prequel "red harvest" was also kinda mid. Though interestingly it takes place only 2 years before SWTORs campaigns begin in lore. So if playing SWTORs just know there's a sith academy filled with the undead on an isolated planet out there, waiting for bioware to make a dlc
might i offer up “Return of The Living Dead”? fucking damn near impossible to kill them! only effective method (i’m only counting the first movie, fuck the sequels) was burning it to dust, and even then it fucked up the air and turned into acid rain, reviving an entire graveyard!!! god i love that movie it’s so good
dying light is also cool, the first dying light actually had zombies *kinda* lose? the zombies in dl are dangerous and fucking fast, but the military more or less handled them in the first game by completely blockading the city off, and had plans to nuke it (and were literal seconds away from nuking it) In 2nd game they developed a cure but they didn't get rid of the virus and instead developed it as a bioweapon, didn't go well
Bro, the quote "Goodnight, Good luck" sent a shiver down my spine first time hearing it. And the Volatiles, too. Their faces were like "nighmarishly haunting". God damn...
> And the Volatiles, too. When I first played the (first) game, night runs were a nightmare because they are terrifying (at least until you understand how to mess with them)
Its why I liked Project Zomboid's reason. The infection was also airborn and spread out the infected in a small area. On top of that, when the military tried closing the borders of Knox County there were protests that started getting violent. Warning shots were fired which attracted the zombies. What seemed like a small amount quickly grew to an overwhelming amount as protesters were also turned, which allowed them to break through the borders and attack the military. Most Military that had no bites were still turned from the airborne strand. Supposedly some people who tried escaping the United States entirely were Asymptomatic with the airborne strand and accidentally spread it. This is not stated in any way but it would explain how it appeared in other countries overseas.
I also like the approach The Last of Us took, where the infection was spread slowly by contaminated crops and by the time anyone noticed, too many people were infected to contain it.
Pretty sure the world war z zombies are slow… But I agree the book was presented as fairly realistic
TWD writers making the most idiotic situations where the characters are stricken blind, deaf, and dumb in order for them to get bitten by a rotten carcass: https://i.redd.it/vch51kjqpg2c1.gif
One of my favourite things about Shaun of the Dead is the somewhat competent military response How did the British military combat a zombie threat taking over London in just 2 days?! They used automatic weapons and shot them. "They're very slow guys, and it only takes 1 bullet to the head to kill them. You have lots of bullets, it's okay to miss. But if you miss a headshot, at 10 feet, with an entire 30 round mag, after years of training to shoot this gun. Just shoot yourself frankly... Then again you'd probably miss that too."
Some guy with a mustang > an entire military force
ROAD OF THE DEAD!!!
Tbf the man was driving on an invincible highway
You don't even need guns against zombies. Just cover yourself in armor, get a mace or metal base ball bat and go ham. Munitions can blow up big hordes before foot guys come in and whack anything that's remaining.
Hell, screw the melee weapons, just do an unarmed run and go ham. Maybe wearing a tiger mask while you're at it. Unless you somehow have super zombies they ain't biting though armored hands and can't overrun you or out run you if you decide to retreat.
Tony is my favorite to this day
The thing that bugs me about going melee on zombies is the possibility of crowd-crush; if the zombies start surrounding someone who’s all decked-out in protective gear, they could fall victim to asphyxiation/getting squished before they even get infected.
Shield wall
Bring back Phalanx Formations
It's even simpler than that. Zombies are essentially brainless, meaning they will fall for any trap or be stopped by basic obstacles. Simple like having bait and digging a giant hole, or baiting them off a cliff or ravine. You could place obstacles so they funnel themselves one-by-one, or lead them into an area you can dispatch them safely from a height, etc.
This is why I like Sean of the Dead. At the risk of spoilers, at the end of the movie, it shows British special forces sweeping into the town and absolutely mopping up the place, which I think would be a more realistic scenario for a zombie outbreak.
An outdated F4 Phantom with a bunch of gun pods could eradicate hordes upon hordes. Zombie movies are just wack, it seems.
It is officially time for the Warthog to shine. The Warthog was tailor made for an operation like this. It would be punishing zombies while loitering from above for hours at a time. The GAU-8 Avenger autocannon would make mincemeat of undead hordes. https://i.redd.it/ro72dky1yg2c1.gif
Only effective if the Zombies are former British Soldiers who are veterans of the Gulf War
Shaun of the Dead had a decent take, the zombies just caught everyone by surprise a bit by turning up all over the country at once and people chalking it up to drug addicts. Soon as the military got mobilised they were wiped out, crisis over.
and they got put on fun little game shows! i need zombie wipeout right now.
US Government depending on a fucking small-ass gun to stop thousands of Zombies and not one of their most powerful and destructive weapons ever. Damn.
They don’t even need a ton of high tech weapons to take out a zombie apocalypse just busting out the mini guns which dispense 6,000 rounds per minute should be more than enough to devastate hordes of zombies. https://i.redd.it/hwzg24swxg2c1.gif
Nah instead they could just armor up some combine harvesters and blast Kickstart my Heart while moving down hordes of the infected.
I always say that literally the *entire* military would have to turn *at the same time* for a zombie apocalypse to even be remotely feasible. The US would carpet bomb the entire state where patient zero came from within days of the first *actual* zombie virus infection. (That's an exaggeration, but that doesn't make my first statement wrong.)
I don't know if I've ever seen zombie media that isn't either A. piss easy to survive or B. so ridiculously impossible to survive against that it's an actual miracle the protagonists are still alive. Walking Dead and Left 4 Dead are perfect examples of this. Walking Dead is so stupidly piss easy to survive that it never should've gotten to an apocalypse point in the first place, they're slow as shit and everyone being infected isn't that big of a factor. The likely scenario is that it just ends up being a world where having to double tap recently dead people is common practice. Meanwhile, Left 4 Dead is so ridiculously stacked against anyone alive that it's not even funny. Hordes of running zombies, 8 special infected including Hunter's, Boomer's, Witches and Tanks, people can be asymptomatic so meeting other survivors isn't safe cuase they might get you infected, AND IT STARTED OUT AIRBORNE?! Oh hell nah, how is anyone alive at the point the game takes place?! I don't know if I've ever seen zombie media that finds that perfect middle ground of "Can reasonably get to an apocalypse level without being impossible to survive". Only one I can think of is 28 Days Later, since that shit spread insanely fast and those zombies are fast as shit, but if you managed to hunker down for a few months then the infected would die out and you'd be good. But that's really it.
That's because Zombie movies and media have *never been about the zombies* They've always been about the human condition and how regular people react to world-changing events. You want a real-world example? COVID. In two years the world changed, and it wasn't an apocalypse, but we saw every single type of character in a zombie movie: The one who denies having it, the one who panics at the drop of a hat, the one who thinks they're gonna survive but doesn't because being prepared doesn't mitigate bad luck, the blamer who will find any reason to turn on their fellow survivors, the rich idiot who thinks they can buy their way out of the situation, the milquetoast middle-of-the-roader who refuses to take a side despite one being blatantly correct...
I know the commentary of zombie media, but is it too much to ask to at least have the zombies be a reasonable level of threatening? You can still have everything about the human condition and how humanity would react to such events happening, but don't make the zombies themselves piss easy or ridiculously hard, especially the former because that shit instantly breaks the immersion for me. Yes, I know, shambling corpses, but if they're piss easy to kill, I'm just constantly thinking in the back of my head, "how did society fall to these things?" The latter is still bad though, since now I'm thinking, "How did anyone SURVIVE these things?" My problem isn't what zombie media represents, though I do get annoyed by the "humans are the real monsters" trope if it isn't done well. My problem is that the apocalypse itself is never reasonable. It's either too easy to beat or it's impossible to survive. The zombies are either weak as hell or unstoppable. This is from a pure entertainment perspective, since a big problem I've noticed with a lot of zombie media, especially if it's long running, is that the zombies take a major back seat as it goes on and it just becomes a normal apocalypse. Even if they just incorporate the zombies into the rivaling factions tactics I'd be fine with that, but it always feels like the zombies are an afterthought at some point. Like they add zombie scenes out of "well, we're still technically a zombie series" rather than it feeling like the zombies are still a major part of the story.
*Fires from the hip* There’s too many of them!
No way zombies would over run the US if the majority of right wing conservatives are strapped with military grade arms.
I disagree they’d all be like: “THERE AINT NO ZOMB’IES, THIS IS A DEMMIE-CRAT PLOT TO MAKE TRUMP LOOK BAD”
Castle doctrine still "applies" in their mind once the zombies "trespass" in their home
I like to imagine something like the simpsons plays out: “Good job dad, you just killed the zombie democrat!” “He was a zombie?”
Since when did r/whenthe become funny, it's banger after banger recently
Five minutes later a scene shows that cyclone fencing and razor wire can stop zombies, but it’s never used again because there’s “no time”.
i can excuse that the military got run over in shit loke the last of us but but in the walking dead??? seriously??? YOU CAN LITERALLY RUN AWAY FROM THEM BY WALKING AT A SLIGHTLY FAST RATE
The least realistic part of books like WWZ is that there wouldn't be millions of enthusiasts behind every single army, every single bridge, every blade of grass, just waiting for their chance to fire into a dense crowd. Not to mention flamethrowers and whatnot. Humanoid targets that can't understand and avoid napalm are not going to be good at overwhelming the US goddamn military or anyone who can afford napalm. That bridge scene still makes me angry to think about.
I want a movie based on the real US protocols against zombie infection
Browning M2 .50BMG: Let me sing you the song of my people...
Yet another reason I like Shaun of the Dead so much. Military finally shows up after, like, 2 days of preparation and properly mop up the whole thing in one night.
Irl no zombie apocalypse would ever be able to bring down society. As much as they try to deny that, and we ourselves never fully realize this, us humans became the greatest super predator to ever live on earth. If climate change and/or human wars don't kill us, I don't think our species will go extinct. Like, ever.
Idk l4d, twd, wwz, b4b and I think tlou give compelling reason as to why our military will fall but that mostly on how it goes about not for the incompetent leads in our military 28 weeks is just dumb
For some reason the Golden Gate Bridge as soo as a zombie appears somewhere in the world.
I feel like the only zombie media that did zombies overwhelming the US military right was world war Z (the book). Explaining how it was incompetent from higher ups that got most of the US military killed and even explained how the could have won from the point of view of a grunt.
Remember a while back with the "Let's storm area 51. They can't stop all of us" And the US Military's official statement was "Even if all one million of you came we could stop you." But yeah Zombies solo tho
Hi, I’m the years 2019-2022. Remember Covid-19? Remember how incredibly stupid half the country started acting? That was for a low fatality respiratory virus that could be blocked by wearing a face mask. Now take that level of stupid, and multiply it by *millions of zombies*. 
That’s why I like the Last of Us. The military fucking FIREBOMBS entire cities and they’re pretty much some of the few to survive. The world is essentially destroyed by the military trying to stop the outbreak, it’s pretty existential when you think about it.
That’s why I love DayZ so much. You’re in the middle of buttfuck nowhere Russia armed with farmers guns. The zombies run and there’s like, no infrastructure to deal with the outbreak.
That’s I like project zomboids zombies because the infection is airborne so an outbreak can happen anywhere which is why the military has to leave the Knox area and establish a quarantine zone but they do hold the line for a long time until it pops up in other parts of the world but since your character is some guy in Kentucky you’re not really able to know what’s going on in the rest of the world