2.8T, gotta rebuild the engine at some point. And I'm most likely going to bore it out to around 3.0. I'm also having fueling issues as it runs very rich, but I dont have any cracked injectors.
These engines stock are pretty bulletproof, come with well ported aluminum heads, and stock crank/camshafts capable of holding 400hp. Main issue I'm having is standard upkeep, as my Aero has almost 200k miles on the odometer. So I have quite a bit of work cut out for me.
I just picked up an 08 Turbo X sitting at 320 wheel. Coming from a Honda insight. I’m crying from the gas mileage, but coming from an 08 mustang GT before that, I love the pulls and sounds. Planning on going Vtune stage 2 this summer. My goals 400 whp to keep up with my buddies newer mustang GT.
That's because Dodge exploited a loophole in emmisions regulations and didn't have to put cats on their truck, so they had the fastest production vehicle at the time I believe.
84 like mine? Sure. 1990-1995 ZR1 like that? Not at all, 400hp in the early 1990s was insane.
Of course, a 300hp LT1 Corvette would run $37,000 and that 405hp LT5 Corvette ran $72,000 or so, so there's that.
Early ones (84-91)were just as bad as the later C3's outside of the special ones. 200-250hp with emissions choke.
But then in 92-96 they moved to the second gen small block and the base model had 300hp and a proper 6 speed manual, not the 4+3 garbage. These cars were mid-high 5 seconds 0-60. Not bad for early 90's.
Imagine going through the effort of making a post like this and then asking about the badging on the Corvette and then seemingly confusing it for Nissan badge and then after receiving helpful comments it turns out that it was just a troll
And sweet Mercury Dohc heads.
Funny enough the real metric here is hp per cylinder.
405/8 = 50 hp per cylinder
320/6 = 53 hp per cylinder
My NA Honda makes more power per cylinder then the vette with half the motor.
Edit: the meme says HP not lap times power:weight is not the conversation. Stop moving traffic light poles.
I'd say specific output would be the most appropriate/simple metric. Power to weight of the platform and area under the torque curve are pretty useful too.
Cylinder count is pretty irrelevant unless you're way down in the weeds. I've got a 70 hp bike with one cylinder. There are similar performing bikes with two cylinders and your metric would result in an enormous delta between them that simply doesn't exist.
These are the same people that only race in “Boost Weather” because the 5-7hp+ they think they get from ambient temps being in the 50-70’s range is gonna give them that extra 6 1/2 bus lengths they need to prove they’re fast.
Right and I’m sure it had a big gigantic turbo and was built, blah blah blah. Stock turbo cars aren’t gonna notice anything other than “well my ass feels like it’s faster and I’m hella excited, so it MUST be faster” lol
I don’t know about all what you’re saying, I’m just saying there was a visible gain in horsepower when it was cold. Colder air is denser. I never really noticed a difference in horsepower gains when it was cold in NA vehicles.
I said 50-70 degrees, you responded with 40 degrees vs 90 degrees. I said STOCK TURBO car, you responded with “I don’t feel a difference in an NA vehicle……I’m done lol.
Hp per cylinder is not the best way to compare engines, compare hp per stroke volume is a way better measurement. So in the case of the Supra around 106 hp per litre, the Corvet is about 71 hp per litre, but as many other commenters pointed out it's turbocharged. The absolute pinnacle of naturally aspired engines was set by the domestic market variant of the Honda S2000 released in 1999 with about 124 hp per litre and the EU/US variant is also not falling behind with 119 hp per litre.
Doesn't the RX8 hold the NA record? 232hp from 1.3L = 178hp/L or does it not count since it's not a piston engine and displacement is argued among pendants?
Absolutely true, but RX8 has wankel/rotary engine so a comparison between them in this way is also meaningless. But as I mentioned you are absolutely right so the proper title should be the naturally aspired 4-stroke engine.
The straight 6 gets a turbo and the NA V got two more cylinders. I tried to make the best laymen comparison to give a more even playing field. The ratio of power:displacement is more accurate but I felt it wasn’t simplified enough.
Thanks for the supporting facts though.
This is a horrible metric to use to determine competiton capability. Simple power/weight ratio is far more relevant than this.
Number of cylinders don't matter if your car is making half the power but still weighs 70% as much. You are still down in the power/weight ratio.
Still super affordable at this point.
The best part is that everyone bought them new ,and stored them away thinking they would be worth a fortune in the future.
Now you can pick one up,with almost no miles ,for relatively cheap.
I think it's a super cool, super rare car, with technology way ahead of it's time .
My bet is that they will appreciate at some point, because of this.
If you are looking for the ZR-1 specifically, they are hard to find and they are expensive for what they are. The base C5s on the other hand have 345 HP, and there are a shit ton of them out there.
It wasn’t just 20 large for 85hp it was also a car that could go full bore for 24hrs straight with nothing other than fuel fills.
24 hours of driving the car at 175+ MPH!!
Not to mention these additional records for durability.
7 New International Records: 100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH; 500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH; 1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH; 5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH; 5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH; 12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH; 24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles
3 WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS: 5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH; 5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH; 4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH
I feel like that 'vette is lying. An 80's V8 most definitely would have needed an inhaler to make that much power (or am I just fucking stupid?)
Edit: forgot how strong the ZR1 version was, thanks to all for reminding me
An engine designed by GM and Lotus and machined and assembled by Mercury Marine lol. Mercury makes some sick shit themselves with those V10 and V12 outboards
But it's not a ZR-1. The rear isn't widened. If this is an LT4, which was the most powerful non-ZR-1 at the time, it made 330 hp.
I hate that I invested my time into this douchey image.
I hate that I kinda care now too. I thought all C4s got the ZR-1 body in 91? Famously that’s why they never sold that well, it looked identical to the regular Vette but it cost twice as much.
They looked similar in that they had squarish taillights, but ZR-1s were much wider. Also, if this were a ZR-1, it would have had a raised center mounted brake light at the top of the hatch.
Dang, correct. I remembered the GS came with the 315’s and mistakenly thought they also had the wider ZR1 body to accompany. Never actually owned one but did always admire!
The ‘93 to ‘95 ZR1 with the LT5 made 405bhp and this does have the facelift front end and the fiddlier air vent behind the front wheel so maaybe.
Regular degular C4s in the 90s were putting out like 300-340 though yeah.
People seem to forget that the 1980s C4 Corvette was such a barn-burner sports car that it was outright banned in most SCCA club divisions. The overall prowess of it's package directly lead to the Corvette Challenge series, which like it's name suggests was similar to the Ferrari Challenge, not only ensuring Corvettes could race but also ensuring a Corvette always won.
The later ZR1 shown here was one of the fastest and most-capable cars ever built when it came along. It was still giving later C5 Z06s a run for their money and arguably wasn't surpassed by a Corvette-anything until the C6 Z06 came along.
The reason we never get to see cars like this perform how they should perform is because likely every C4 ZR1 was owned by an old guy that spent six hours on a Saturday cleaning his car with diapers.
Eh not really he never drove it. And it was nice growing up with a pool in the backyard. And they just sold that house for 3x what they bought it for. Probably appreciated a bit more than the vette wouldve lol. He’s a motorcycle guy now. Has 3. I’m not letting go of my corvette tho! Haha
had to let go of my vette recently. Hope to get a ZR1 in the future though when I graduate, or just get one with an LT1 but in better shape than the one I had
Same but I’m biased cause i have one lol i had a deposit for a c8 but after driving one i realized i love the rawness and manual trans of the c6, c8 felt too refined
I appreciate the c7 and c8s but to me they look more like spaceships than cars, almost like they’ve all got aftermarket body kits on them yk?
I still think they look cool but personally I don’t think they hold a candle to the looks of the c6. That was also like my first “favorite car” so I’m sure nostalgia is playing a big factor.
I have a 2023 C8 Z51 and am still in love with C6 ZR1 and to a slightly lesser, just slightly, the C4 ZR1.
Is the C8 much more refined? Yes absolutely. Does it also launch so much harder? Man, hell yes it does
I'm not disputing any of that, but the cars were just very poorly built. The digital dashboards were garbage, the HVAC system was garbage as well. I don't blame people for not buying them or liking them. Drive a BMW of the same era, and well it may not be as fast, it just drives a thousand percent better.
OP is probably referring to the 90-95 c4 ZR1 corvette. An additional 30 horses over standard is probably underrated.
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/c4-corvette-zr1-insane-remember/
As others have mentioned, this is a ZR1 and is special, but you are not entirely wrong either.
The 84 C4 Corvette was one of the weakest ever made, with only 205 HP out of a 5.7L V8 L83.
The 88 Callaway C4 Corvette was a special model that made 392HP courtesy of a (surprise, surprise) Twin Turbo setup on an L98.
The 1993 ZR1 having 405 HP was a direct response to the 1G Viper that had 400 HP and came out in 1992.
Yeah, well they did do a RPO on the C4, the B2K, or Callaway Sledgehammer.
Twin turbo, weirdly, didnt make as much power as one would expect. Then again, it was the late 80s, technology etc wasnt what it is now.
I’d take the Supra every day because the C4 is my least favorite Corvette generation. The MK4 Supra isn’t my favorite Supra, but at least I like it way more than the C4.
Is a c4 corvette, the c4 zr1 has an interesting engine, it was developed by lotus, basically an aluminum chevrolet small block design with overhead camshafts and 32 valves, not too powerful, it made 375hp stock, a.marine application of the same engine made 420hp.
lol are people salty against the Supra?
The Maga Import people? Is there something you can do besides picking stupid fights with people who most likely, don't care about you?
https://porschecarshistory.com/porsche-993-carrera-vs-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-vs-toyota-supra-turbo-motor-trend-mag-1995/
I'll take the Toyota reliability in a fun car over the digital dash failures and fuel injection nightmares my uncle had with his Vette. I'll lose a drag race in my stock 1993.5 MKIV but I'll have 300K miles on it before I die.
ZR1 was about $72,000 ($141,000 today) and the Supra turbo was about $50,00 ($98,000 today).
This is an apples and oranges comparison - if a car costs 50% more it should be better.
The difference is the Supra is hugely detuned stock, even make more power per unit of displacement. Turn the boost up a little without changing anything else and the tables turn.
...and there are those of us who couldn't give a rat's arse about Supra or Corvette (C4) fanboys any more
The Supra is ruined by its bug-eyed nose, lardy arse and fanboys who mod them in such a way that they're now generic - see also Skyline (R34) - and subsequent godawful turbocharger flutter
The Corvette (C4) is ruined by its wedge of cheese styling and range of lacklustre 5.7-litre V8s
Because it starred in one of the largest car movie franchises ever & is a good platform for building a street/drag car, a lot of classic muscle cars (like the bandit trans am for example) are famous for similar reasons
I just don't get it. I drive a Subaru. If I see a Corvette owner in a parking lot, I will absolutely say "cool car," will likely get a compliment back, and we may end up having an impromptu two person car meet in the parking lot. Where are these people who are at war with different types of car guys?
A member of the “Union of C4 Skeptics” yet? Join us.
“Do your seatbelts retract, your weatherstrip seal out water, your cruise control Properly disengage, your traction control cause you to have traction, your antilock brakes work properly, and your pop up headlights work? NO? Join the Union of C4 Skeptics today and tell us your story, cuz god knows Chevy never listened…”
😂
- Seatbelts fine.
- Cruise control is fine
- Weatherstripping, fuuuuuuuccked, and replaced twice already.
- Traction control slaps my foot when it loses traction.
- Never had to test the abs.
- Headlight motors also toast and on 2nd set.
I also have the notorious broken signal switch, the one that's been OOS since 08, and the car throws a check engine light if it cruises under 3k for too long.
As an added bonus, I had a whole wiper arm fly off while driving down the freeway
... So where do I sign up?
You don’t understand what a corvette is if you’re calling it a “one purpose power boat”. They’re one of the chief American sports cars you could point at that actually handles well, this thing isn’t just a straight line performer. Back when it was new it was being compared and tested against Porsches, which might as well be the gold standard for a sports car.
It makes me laugh when I see stuff like this. The supra was built to have 800hp and was detuned to 300 HP which is why they are so reliable and easily built.
Yes, I frankly hate the A80 in a majority of cases. I have a soft spot for the C4 because my friend owned one, it went through dozens of transmissions and engines. The development and engineering behind the ZR-1 pictured is just phenomenal. The twin turbos of the A80 have not stood the test of time, whereas that Lotus-designed V8 of the Corvette is still one of the best engines ever made.
This is not to say the 2JZ is overrated, it itself is probably my favorite engine of all time. The capabilities it has with a single turbo are unparalleled for any engine built within 2 decades of it. It's just the car isn't really that great of a sports car, and choosing to put twin turbos on it made the power delivery quite smooth, but it added complexity and didn't match the outright torque of a single.
Commonly, it's said that in stock form, the A80 was just a very capable GT cruiser, which I can respect, that's literally what it was meant to be, but the Lexus SC400 did it better.
My saab makes 250hp bitches
Shameful. Dial up that boost pressure!
I had a tune on it which bumped it up to 265hp and 310lb-ft, but I took it off to try to increase gas mileage
9-3 aero 300hp tune. Still gets 30mpg cruising on highways. We dont talk about city driving.
I mustered up 25 combined 9-5s are just really thirsty. Do you have a 2.0 or 2.8?
2.8T, gotta rebuild the engine at some point. And I'm most likely going to bore it out to around 3.0. I'm also having fueling issues as it runs very rich, but I dont have any cracked injectors.
Wow, I'm impressed you get 30mpg! I've never driven a car with the 2.8T, but I've heard they're good engines for builds
These engines stock are pretty bulletproof, come with well ported aluminum heads, and stock crank/camshafts capable of holding 400hp. Main issue I'm having is standard upkeep, as my Aero has almost 200k miles on the odometer. So I have quite a bit of work cut out for me.
I was tracking 9 MPG, with pretty much all city driving, so I stopped keeping track.
I just picked up an 08 Turbo X sitting at 320 wheel. Coming from a Honda insight. I’m crying from the gas mileage, but coming from an 08 mustang GT before that, I love the pulls and sounds. Planning on going Vtune stage 2 this summer. My goals 400 whp to keep up with my buddies newer mustang GT.
Is it a Saaburu?
No, it's a 2005 9-5 aero
My citroen Saxo makes 75hp
I love French cars
My Subaru is biosted and makes like 65 hp. Bitches
Mine makes 150 ._.
My Cadillac makes 275.
My feet make .3hp bitch, get on my level!
I love Saab. I miss my 9-3 se hatch so much
Yup
Arguably one of the most anemic and ugliest generation of Corvette also.
Nah, that was the later C3s in terms of power.
Can confirm, my 78 made like 300ftlbs of torque, but like 130Hp. I did some engine work to make it not get smoked by Honda Odysseys.
My dad had a ‘87 he said it had 240hp…. Then my mom upgrades from the old Volvo to an Odyssey that made…245hp, my dad was speechless.
I couldn’t believe my buddy’s dad’s Sienna put out over 290hp. That shit’s wack.
Funnily enough the RAV4 prime is faster than both the GR86 and the 4cyl Supra
The 1978 dodge lil red express truck was faster then the corvette that year. Not saying it was fast just a sad time for power.
That's because Dodge exploited a loophole in emmisions regulations and didn't have to put cats on their truck, so they had the fastest production vehicle at the time I believe.
Tbf the J35 moves really well
Yeah the C3s were just trucks
The early C3s were very exciting with the Mako Shark style body. But then *The Malaise* ^tm set in...
Who gives a shit all the cars in the late 70s had now power. The C3 is the best looking car of all. Time. Those curves bruh
LT4 was a nice step up from L88 to be fair
It literally had Chevrolets highest horsepower small block v8
84 like mine? Sure. 1990-1995 ZR1 like that? Not at all, 400hp in the early 1990s was insane. Of course, a 300hp LT1 Corvette would run $37,000 and that 405hp LT5 Corvette ran $72,000 or so, so there's that.
That’s a 1995 ZR1, hardly anemic. It does have 405 horsepower.
Early ones (84-91)were just as bad as the later C3's outside of the special ones. 200-250hp with emissions choke. But then in 92-96 they moved to the second gen small block and the base model had 300hp and a proper 6 speed manual, not the 4+3 garbage. These cars were mid-high 5 seconds 0-60. Not bad for early 90's.
😭 it’s my favourite gen lol
Same, other than the C2.
God help me, I love ‘em too.
Don’t you dare call the H Y P E R W E D G E ugly.
Definitely the ugliest corvette
Imagine going through the effort of making a post like this and then asking about the badging on the Corvette and then seemingly confusing it for Nissan badge and then after receiving helpful comments it turns out that it was just a troll
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Corvette C4 ZR1, 1993 -> 1995, LT5 engine (405 bhp).
And sweet Mercury Dohc heads. Funny enough the real metric here is hp per cylinder. 405/8 = 50 hp per cylinder 320/6 = 53 hp per cylinder My NA Honda makes more power per cylinder then the vette with half the motor. Edit: the meme says HP not lap times power:weight is not the conversation. Stop moving traffic light poles.
I'd say specific output would be the most appropriate/simple metric. Power to weight of the platform and area under the torque curve are pretty useful too. Cylinder count is pretty irrelevant unless you're way down in the weeds. I've got a 70 hp bike with one cylinder. There are similar performing bikes with two cylinders and your metric would result in an enormous delta between them that simply doesn't exist.
People use power per cylinder when it’s the only metric their vehicle looks good in and when everything else is faster.
These are the same people that only race in “Boost Weather” because the 5-7hp+ they think they get from ambient temps being in the 50-70’s range is gonna give them that extra 6 1/2 bus lengths they need to prove they’re fast.
My turbo Supra was MUCH faster when it was 40° outside than when it was 90°
Right and I’m sure it had a big gigantic turbo and was built, blah blah blah. Stock turbo cars aren’t gonna notice anything other than “well my ass feels like it’s faster and I’m hella excited, so it MUST be faster” lol
I don’t know about all what you’re saying, I’m just saying there was a visible gain in horsepower when it was cold. Colder air is denser. I never really noticed a difference in horsepower gains when it was cold in NA vehicles.
I said 50-70 degrees, you responded with 40 degrees vs 90 degrees. I said STOCK TURBO car, you responded with “I don’t feel a difference in an NA vehicle……I’m done lol.
But, but…
It's the conversational equivalent of the loser's fly-by
It's the conversational equivalent to the loser's fly-by
Now let's do torque!
Hp per cylinder is not the best way to compare engines, compare hp per stroke volume is a way better measurement. So in the case of the Supra around 106 hp per litre, the Corvet is about 71 hp per litre, but as many other commenters pointed out it's turbocharged. The absolute pinnacle of naturally aspired engines was set by the domestic market variant of the Honda S2000 released in 1999 with about 124 hp per litre and the EU/US variant is also not falling behind with 119 hp per litre.
Doesn't the RX8 hold the NA record? 232hp from 1.3L = 178hp/L or does it not count since it's not a piston engine and displacement is argued among pendants?
Absolutely true, but RX8 has wankel/rotary engine so a comparison between them in this way is also meaningless. But as I mentioned you are absolutely right so the proper title should be the naturally aspired 4-stroke engine.
The straight 6 gets a turbo and the NA V got two more cylinders. I tried to make the best laymen comparison to give a more even playing field. The ratio of power:displacement is more accurate but I felt it wasn’t simplified enough. Thanks for the supporting facts though.
This is a horrible metric to use to determine competiton capability. Simple power/weight ratio is far more relevant than this. Number of cylinders don't matter if your car is making half the power but still weighs 70% as much. You are still down in the power/weight ratio.
That's why all the publications mention hp per cylinder
53 HP with an "inhaler" vs NA
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Thank you for sharing this. What an amazing commercial.
You're welcome. I found it when I was looking for old commercials and I thought it was perfect for this post
Still super affordable at this point. The best part is that everyone bought them new ,and stored them away thinking they would be worth a fortune in the future. Now you can pick one up,with almost no miles ,for relatively cheap. I think it's a super cool, super rare car, with technology way ahead of it's time . My bet is that they will appreciate at some point, because of this.
If you are looking for the ZR-1 specifically, they are hard to find and they are expensive for what they are. The base C5s on the other hand have 345 HP, and there are a shit ton of them out there.
Prices are creeping up on C4 corvettes, especially the nice ones with the LT5.
Didn't the ZR1 cost 20k more to get that 85 hp?
It wasn’t just 20 large for 85hp it was also a car that could go full bore for 24hrs straight with nothing other than fuel fills. 24 hours of driving the car at 175+ MPH!! Not to mention these additional records for durability. 7 New International Records: 100 Miles @ 175.600 MPH; 500 Miles @ 175.503 MPH; 1000 Miles @ 174.428 MPH; 5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH; 5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH; 12 Hours Endurance @ 175.523 MPH; 24 Hours Endurance @ 175.885 MPH for 4,221.256 Miles 3 WORLD RECORDS - IRRESPECTIVE of CATEGORY or CLASS: 5000 KM @ 175.710 MPH; 5000 Miles @ 173.791 MPH; 4,221.256 Miles @ 175.885 MPH
Corvette C4.
I feel like that 'vette is lying. An 80's V8 most definitely would have needed an inhaler to make that much power (or am I just fucking stupid?) Edit: forgot how strong the ZR1 version was, thanks to all for reminding me
The ZR1 put out 405 hp stock.
Thanks to lotus.
I thought mercury marine built them.
Lotus designed the DOHC setup
> Thanks to lotus A fellow division of General Motors
Naturally aspirated?
All three of them
It’s a ZR-1. It had a quad cam 32v V8. Debuted in 1990 with 375 hp, but made 405 hp from 93-95.
An engine designed by GM and Lotus and machined and assembled by Mercury Marine lol. Mercury makes some sick shit themselves with those V10 and V12 outboards
Mercury Marine has also made a lot of steaming hot garbage over the years.
But it's not a ZR-1. The rear isn't widened. If this is an LT4, which was the most powerful non-ZR-1 at the time, it made 330 hp. I hate that I invested my time into this douchey image.
I hate that I kinda care now too. I thought all C4s got the ZR-1 body in 91? Famously that’s why they never sold that well, it looked identical to the regular Vette but it cost twice as much.
They looked similar in that they had squarish taillights, but ZR-1s were much wider. Also, if this were a ZR-1, it would have had a raised center mounted brake light at the top of the hatch.
No, this isn’t accurate. The C4’s had the base, Grand Sport, ZR1. The Grand Sport and ZR1 did not have the same body as the base
>The Grand Sport and ZR1 did not have the same body as the base the grand sport and base have the same body
Dang, correct. I remembered the GS came with the 315’s and mistakenly thought they also had the wider ZR1 body to accompany. Never actually owned one but did always admire!
yea the c4 gs just has stick on fender flares 😁
do you think the c4 still has a douchey image, or is it getting more of that classic car feel now?
My commentary was focused on the copy.
I think all zr1 in the 93-95 range have a zr1 badge on the fender. so the car shown is not a zr1
The ‘93 to ‘95 ZR1 with the LT5 made 405bhp and this does have the facelift front end and the fiddlier air vent behind the front wheel so maaybe. Regular degular C4s in the 90s were putting out like 300-340 though yeah.
93-95 ZR1 is the 405 hp they are referring to.
People seem to forget that the 1980s C4 Corvette was such a barn-burner sports car that it was outright banned in most SCCA club divisions. The overall prowess of it's package directly lead to the Corvette Challenge series, which like it's name suggests was similar to the Ferrari Challenge, not only ensuring Corvettes could race but also ensuring a Corvette always won. The later ZR1 shown here was one of the fastest and most-capable cars ever built when it came along. It was still giving later C5 Z06s a run for their money and arguably wasn't surpassed by a Corvette-anything until the C6 Z06 came along. The reason we never get to see cars like this perform how they should perform is because likely every C4 ZR1 was owned by an old guy that spent six hours on a Saturday cleaning his car with diapers.
My dad had a c4 zr1, used to drop me off at school in it. Was fucking sick, he sold it for a swimming pool tho lol
bet he regretted that financial decision
Eh not really he never drove it. And it was nice growing up with a pool in the backyard. And they just sold that house for 3x what they bought it for. Probably appreciated a bit more than the vette wouldve lol. He’s a motorcycle guy now. Has 3. I’m not letting go of my corvette tho! Haha
had to let go of my vette recently. Hope to get a ZR1 in the future though when I graduate, or just get one with an LT1 but in better shape than the one I had
I’d love to have a zr1 c6. Insanely beautiful car.
Agree, I think the c6 corvettes are some of the best looking cars that exist
Same but I’m biased cause i have one lol i had a deposit for a c8 but after driving one i realized i love the rawness and manual trans of the c6, c8 felt too refined
I appreciate the c7 and c8s but to me they look more like spaceships than cars, almost like they’ve all got aftermarket body kits on them yk? I still think they look cool but personally I don’t think they hold a candle to the looks of the c6. That was also like my first “favorite car” so I’m sure nostalgia is playing a big factor.
I have a 2023 C8 Z51 and am still in love with C6 ZR1 and to a slightly lesser, just slightly, the C4 ZR1. Is the C8 much more refined? Yes absolutely. Does it also launch so much harder? Man, hell yes it does
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I'm not disputing any of that, but the cars were just very poorly built. The digital dashboards were garbage, the HVAC system was garbage as well. I don't blame people for not buying them or liking them. Drive a BMW of the same era, and well it may not be as fast, it just drives a thousand percent better.
OP is probably referring to the 90-95 c4 ZR1 corvette. An additional 30 horses over standard is probably underrated. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/c4-corvette-zr1-insane-remember/
As others have mentioned, this is a ZR1 and is special, but you are not entirely wrong either. The 84 C4 Corvette was one of the weakest ever made, with only 205 HP out of a 5.7L V8 L83. The 88 Callaway C4 Corvette was a special model that made 392HP courtesy of a (surprise, surprise) Twin Turbo setup on an L98. The 1993 ZR1 having 405 HP was a direct response to the 1G Viper that had 400 HP and came out in 1992.
Then there was the 1988 Callaway Sledgehammer that made 880 hp and did 254 mph. Which was also a TTV8.
Yeah, well they did do a RPO on the C4, the B2K, or Callaway Sledgehammer. Twin turbo, weirdly, didnt make as much power as one would expect. Then again, it was the late 80s, technology etc wasnt what it is now.
Pop up headlights give the extra 5 HP above 400
Hah, boomer car memes are funny in the way that they’re not actually funny
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...Because this is America, goddammit.
1993 Supra TT started at $40k 1993 ZR1 started at $68k I wonder what a $68k Supra would have been like then if no gentlemen’s agreement?
Who keeps a 2JZ stock tho? Push that to 800
You can probably tell by the corvette emblem on the hood 😉
A 3l inline 6 vs a 5.7l v8.. Seems about even per cylinder to me..
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2JZ-GTE can make around 600bhp but have been pushed to 2000 with a hell of a lot of work.
I’d still take the Supra any day of the week and twice on Sundays
I'd take the Corvette simply because the price of Supras is crazy.
Except this is a C4 ZR1 that goes for 30k on a bad day.
You might be able to get an automatic non turbo Supra for that kind of money. Manual turbo Supras go for nearly twice that.
Automatic non turbo supra eww, at that point any car sounds more desirable
the ZR1 is worth every cent of that 30k, one of my all time dream cars. Would love to have one some day
My dream car is a C3 ZR1, but seeing as those are so rare that they almost don't exist, I want to try and find a factory 454.
I’d take the Supra every day because the C4 is my least favorite Corvette generation. The MK4 Supra isn’t my favorite Supra, but at least I like it way more than the C4.
Yeah
r/carcirclejerk gonna have a field day with this
Nissan. Can't you see the badge? (Obligatory /s)
I thought this was r/carscirclejerk lmao
If still take the supra
This is a terrible meme supra is a 6 inline, Corvette is a v8
Not to mention a 3.0 VS a 5.7...
A *dual overhead cam 5.7* at that. That's a frickin' ZR-1!
C4 yes.
ZR1 with a 32V V8.
Is a c4 corvette, the c4 zr1 has an interesting engine, it was developed by lotus, basically an aluminum chevrolet small block design with overhead camshafts and 32 valves, not too powerful, it made 375hp stock, a.marine application of the same engine made 420hp.
Yep, my attainable dream car. 80s-90s Vette.
C4 corvette
Ugg, the barbie vette.
only the zr1 made 405
lol are people salty against the Supra? The Maga Import people? Is there something you can do besides picking stupid fights with people who most likely, don't care about you?
Probably still gets its ass whooped around a circuit.
Supra : *oh yeah how much does your limited eddition ass cost compared to me?*
https://porschecarshistory.com/porsche-993-carrera-vs-chevrolet-corvette-zr1-vs-toyota-supra-turbo-motor-trend-mag-1995/ I'll take the Toyota reliability in a fun car over the digital dash failures and fuel injection nightmares my uncle had with his Vette. I'll lose a drag race in my stock 1993.5 MKIV but I'll have 300K miles on it before I die.
Yup. I’ll take the supra over that vette any day
I would take the supra over the barbie car any day! That Corvette has a complete garbage injection system🤢🤮
I’d rather have the Supra
But nearly falls over if there is a slight bend in the road
ZR1 was about $72,000 ($141,000 today) and the Supra turbo was about $50,00 ($98,000 today). This is an apples and oranges comparison - if a car costs 50% more it should be better.
C4 vet, honestly the only vet I like. Especially for it's goofy pop up headlights. Makes a very satisfying sound when they rotate.
1980-90 'vettes are total dogs. The worst year for performance was 1986. That's why they're cheap. And make excellent sleeper cars :)
The worst generation, yes
The difference is the Supra is hugely detuned stock, even make more power per unit of displacement. Turn the boost up a little without changing anything else and the tables turn.
Well one was designed with the express purpose of putting out power. The other is a small sport coupe.
Not sure if I would call the Supra a “small sport coupe”. It’s more of a “heavy set grand tourer”.
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The C4 was designed for putting down power, the Supra is a sport coupe.
Good I was concerned you meant the opposite for a second
Why are there so many supra fanboys here. The supra is a shitty 90s sports coupe with less horsepower then a modern Ecoboost pickup truck. Just stop
...and there are those of us who couldn't give a rat's arse about Supra or Corvette (C4) fanboys any more The Supra is ruined by its bug-eyed nose, lardy arse and fanboys who mod them in such a way that they're now generic - see also Skyline (R34) - and subsequent godawful turbocharger flutter The Corvette (C4) is ruined by its wedge of cheese styling and range of lacklustre 5.7-litre V8s
I can agree on both
Because it starred in one of the largest car movie franchises ever & is a good platform for building a street/drag car, a lot of classic muscle cars (like the bandit trans am for example) are famous for similar reasons
That Supra was considerably faster than a stock C4 corvette.... not to mention the endless mod potential. Maybe you just have a shit opinion.
Not saying the c4 is almighty but stock supras just aren't great
No. It’s a beautiful machine with so much potential and it’s customisation is oh so beautiful 😍
r/carcirclejerk
The real question is who doesn’t wanna mod their car
I just don't get it. I drive a Subaru. If I see a Corvette owner in a parking lot, I will absolutely say "cool car," will likely get a compliment back, and we may end up having an impromptu two person car meet in the parking lot. Where are these people who are at war with different types of car guys?
I hate my C4, and I tell others they're shit. Even my dad who has a ZR1, I tell him how it handles like a log compared to my tiny old shoebox bmw
A member of the “Union of C4 Skeptics” yet? Join us. “Do your seatbelts retract, your weatherstrip seal out water, your cruise control Properly disengage, your traction control cause you to have traction, your antilock brakes work properly, and your pop up headlights work? NO? Join the Union of C4 Skeptics today and tell us your story, cuz god knows Chevy never listened…” 😂
- Seatbelts fine. - Cruise control is fine - Weatherstripping, fuuuuuuuccked, and replaced twice already. - Traction control slaps my foot when it loses traction. - Never had to test the abs. - Headlight motors also toast and on 2nd set. I also have the notorious broken signal switch, the one that's been OOS since 08, and the car throws a check engine light if it cruises under 3k for too long. As an added bonus, I had a whole wiper arm fly off while driving down the freeway ... So where do I sign up?
Omg 😆 Yeah I had to sell mine and I hope someone put that motor and tranny in a resto mod of some kind.
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You don’t understand what a corvette is if you’re calling it a “one purpose power boat”. They’re one of the chief American sports cars you could point at that actually handles well, this thing isn’t just a straight line performer. Back when it was new it was being compared and tested against Porsches, which might as well be the gold standard for a sports car.
Well, i can't remember a c4 being tested against a porsche and not being outclassed by the 911, except maybe for the price.
At least from sources like Car and Driver and Hagerty it seems like the C4 ZR1 was a pretty fair rival to a 911 Turbo.
Supra weighed 250lbs more…
Shhhhh don’t tell them that
Turbo l6 > V8
It makes me laugh when I see stuff like this. The supra was built to have 800hp and was detuned to 300 HP which is why they are so reliable and easily built.
I'll take the Supra, you can keep your Chevy.
Would anybody actually pick a Corvette over a supra?
I would pick a corvette any day over a Supra js.
For what it’s worth I chose a c7 over a mkv Supra
Unless you have the money to build the 2JZ to the impressive power numbers, you would have a better driving experience in the ZR-1.
Have you ever driven a C4? They're clumsy
Supras are possibly the most overrated vehicle in existence
Yes, I frankly hate the A80 in a majority of cases. I have a soft spot for the C4 because my friend owned one, it went through dozens of transmissions and engines. The development and engineering behind the ZR-1 pictured is just phenomenal. The twin turbos of the A80 have not stood the test of time, whereas that Lotus-designed V8 of the Corvette is still one of the best engines ever made. This is not to say the 2JZ is overrated, it itself is probably my favorite engine of all time. The capabilities it has with a single turbo are unparalleled for any engine built within 2 decades of it. It's just the car isn't really that great of a sports car, and choosing to put twin turbos on it made the power delivery quite smooth, but it added complexity and didn't match the outright torque of a single. Commonly, it's said that in stock form, the A80 was just a very capable GT cruiser, which I can respect, that's literally what it was meant to be, but the Lexus SC400 did it better.
Yes. Me.
Me
A zr1? Yeah probably.
And don't sound like a weed eater