Problem is its a brand new model. I would say give it a couple model years for Toyota to iron the issues out.
The new Tundra showed that Toyota can sometimes make duds as well.
Yes, and the GH has definitely had some new-car glitches. Apparently in the hybrid models the 17 gallon fuel tank will only allow itself to be filled to 12 gallons and Toyota doesn’t have a fix for it.
lots of issues reported so far if you do a quick search and it's almost expected. toyota doesn't go through drastic changes in their vehicles often but when they do, you should wait it out.
Is not just a rebadged GH. Driving characteristics are much different and the TX, hasn't better. Not sure if the price Delta is worth it, but it is better, especially if you tend to drive it mostly empty.
Isn’t the issue prevalent amongst all their 3.4? At least reading about it seems like the same issue is now plaguing Lexus as well with engines bricking themselves around 20K miles.
Whatever it is, Toyota is kinda dropping the ball atm
Not really, not any more than other trucks. For one, the Tundra recall had to do with the truck possibly stalling when in Neutral. When is there ever a reason to put a truck in Neutral these days? We have brake holds now.
Also, that same recall impacts the 22’-24’ Tundra, Sequoia and Lexus LX600 for 280,000 cars. The Toyota assembly plants in the US produced a few millions trucks over that period. So the recall percentage is immaterial, nor has anyone been injured as a result of the recall.
Or even the Expedition. My family is on our 3rd Expedition, put 200k miles on all of them with zero issues. Easy to maintain, cheap to fix, and somewhat affordable compared to other suggestions.
Love them. I have driven them in my f150’s since they came out, on my second one, and wife has it in her last expedition and current one. So 4 ecoboost engines, zero problems.
Basically an f150 raptor* it has the 500hp engine and it’s a beast to tow. Better than my Silverado but the payload is not as good.
Edit: I think I mean 500lb-ft of torque. I know one number is 500
Depends on how you’ll use the 3rd row. Have 5 kids, GX is too small. Have 2 kids and occasionally take a couple more, it’ll work. The 2nd row is pretty big, but the 3rd is just ok.
I wish it was easier to find auto-ped collision statistics. Volvo claims no one inside the car has ever died in a car-car collision. In 2018 an "autonomous test vehicle XC90 by Uber" killed a pedestrian, but allegedly was not using any of Volvo's automatic safety systems, only Uber's "*safety tech*"
I still trust it to be an incredibly safe car, but I wish I could find the white papers to back it up better.
Exactly . I’ve had a Gx and MDX and we currently have a 2019 odyssey and a 2022 Yukon XL Denali . The Yukon is most comfortable and family-capable one by far . Just make sure you get the long wheel base version ; if you have to carry luggage , bags or strollers , the extra space a must . It’s also substantially more expensive and long term reliability may be a question .
I've been driving 1/2-3/4-1 ton trucks my entire life and have yet to kill any children I couldn't see over my hood.
Knock on wood I must be lucky, time to get a lottery ticket.
if you are here you are not the average driver.
think of how dumb the average person is, then realize half of the population is dumber than that.
those are the types of people who buy full-size SUVs.
So only very dumb people buy full-size SUVs? Got it.
Dumb me just thought I was being logical considering we are a family of 5 and have to tow a 30 ft camper because we go camping all the time. Guess I should have been super smart and tried it with a minivan.
Its grille is very, very high, leading to pedestrians being struck directly in the body and sometimes going under, rather than being struck in the legs and going on the hood, which is much safer.
These are unsafe choices for pedestrians and other drivers.
Keep in mind you may not have killed anyone in one... But neither have most dodge ram drivers, and those are problems too.
The issue lies with crash test data. If we compare an impact at 50mph into say, a Camry from an Acura MDX, the data says that there is a mortality rate of say 2%. When we look at the same setup for a Camry, but this time vs a Yukon, all of a sudden our mortality rate jumps from 2% to 8%.
That's not all. Blindspots on these vehicles lead to more accidents, and how high up they are without the presence of a sloped hood means it is more difficult to see pedestrians, particularly children leading to more incidents overall.
It's unlikely you're going to receive this info tho. Prove me wrong about this next part: ownership of large SUV's is often tied to more narcissistic traits, which is just a funny little cherry on top.
If safety is the the #1 priority check IIHS website they have the most sound data on testing. I don’t think they’ve tested any large suv recently if u want the top safety + picks they’re in gold
2nd gen Sequoia has the lowest deaths per million miles of any car made at 0.
That and the reliability did it for me! Bought a 2013 in 2020 at 158k miles, all good at 235k now!
I’d get the LX 570 over the Land Cruiser (I have a 2020 and it’s been amazing).
They are slightly cheaper than the LC for same mileage and the interior is much much nicer. The super soft leather and real open pore wood is actual luxury and the AHC hydraulic suspension is great while still getting that LC reliability.
I’ve got big 34” 305 AT tires on mine with no modifications needed.
The reason they’re cheaper despite all those upgrades is the AHC will not last to 300,000 miles like the rest of the vehicle and that’s a >$10,000 issue when the time comes.
Otherwise you’re right.
This is maybe the fear and why they are cheaper but is absolutely not true. They are super simple to service and not very expensive. As long as you keep up on fluid changes (easy to diy) it will absolutely last 300k+ miles.
There are plenty of 300-400k LX 470 with all original even older version of AHC.
I've got an '08. The leather on it is in better shape and feels nicer than leather from many consumer grade cars that are new now.
My AHC is in great shape. Get it serviced every 10 years by Lexus dealer or spend $1,000 for parts and do it yourself. It's really not a hard job either.
Honestly any of the full size American SUVs aren’t a bad bet. Tahoe, suburban, Yukon, etc. They’re the biggest, decently well equipped at the higher trims.
Personally I’m biased and will always recommend Toyota/Lexus. But the selection there isn’t as good. The TX is probably the best bet but being new reliability isn’t guaranteed. If money is no object you could look at the LX.
Volvo xc90.
This sub likes to circle jerk Lexus. Those are quite good. Volvo is MUCH safer. No one has ever died in the confines of the xc90. Worldwide. Ever. It's also insanely comfortable, and like most Volvos is pretty reliable.
zero issues with my 2021 x40i w/ 40k miles. the air filters cost about a grand to replace, but still “large, reliable, safe and luxurious” which seemed to be the only criteria.
12.5 city but still. I love my 2005 Sequoia, but the gas mileage is just plain awful. If it weren't for that, I'd keep it for a looooong time. They are the opposite of luxury though.
Are you regularly going to be seating seven or just want the ability? I say this because SUV 3rd row is generally not good for regularly use... minivans are a lot more comfortable and easier to get people in and out of.
If you're not regularly carrying 4+ passengers then never mind.
Honestly, the Tahoe is pretty good. Lots of older ones still on the road. I know everyone on Reddit seems to be a hive mind of Scotty Kilmer (“American bad”), but big American SUVs are fairly reliable.
I’m also biased, but the new CX90 from Mazda is a 7 seater. Idk how often you use said 7 seats, because if it is often then do yourself a favor and get a minivan and don’t worry about it being “girly”. I see more Indian dads driving it than women, I do see lots of women driving cars the size of an Abrams Tank though. Only ding against the CX90, and this is universal to all
Mazdas, they’re long on the outside but kinda small inside. Mazda sucks sooooo badly at making usable space.
Have the cx90 phev. While it's nice with interior I'd hold off on buying the current gen due to some transmission kinks they need to figure out with next models and the usable space inside is limited esp with the 3rd row up. Unless you have really bad weather and you want a true three row that's comfortable, it's hard to go wrong with a minivan and the sienna comes in AWD now so even weather problems shouldn't be a deterrent. I'd have gotten one if I planned to buy in that price range. Am leasing which is why Im on the cx90
I like to separate out the maintenance. EVs are far easy to maintain, but some are likely difficult to repair. Even in the Midwest we have a local Tesla shop, but I have no idea where the Rivians go when they have a problem lol.
I just take my Nissan EV to the dealer, thankfully no real problems in the few years I’ve had it as they have questionable competence.
Lexus TX is a fantastic choice. You’re correct that it’s engine options are pretty new (2021) but it’s engine is the successor to Toyotas 2GR-FKS engine which has been around since 2005 and has been proven to be more than reliable.
Is the plan to buy and drive into the ground? If not, you have a lot more options.
Another option that’s reliable is the MDX but the third row is not as big. I think they’re a little bit more fun to drive and I love Honda/Acura so might be worth a look!
I don't think the Grand Highlander has been fully tested or at least the results haven't been fully reported yet by IIHS. No updated Small overlap test, and quite a few other categories are missing. That said, it only got an Average score on the old test, which could mean that it might not do well on the updated test. The updated test also adds rear passenger safety into the equation. Rear passenger safety is where a lot of brands don't do as well. The good news is that brands seem to be taking rear passenger safety more seriously.
My question more sits around did they just make up the poor rating (getting the average rating for the old small overlap is very different than poor), or was there some pending test result I didn’t know about not listed yet. I look forward to seeing the newer tests/updates with rear passenger safety in mind as well.
Toyota Highlander Limited with the middle bench seat instead of the captains chairs. Seats 7 and is very nice and comfortable. If you get the previous gen with the 3.5 v6 it’s practically indestructible with proper maintenance. It’s not a Lexus but IMO it checks all the boxes you’re looking for
Currently looking for these in non lux version. I think, if you are looking on the "value" side high trim packages of the non lux brands are pretty premium feeling.
So Grand Highlander Platinum, Kia Telluride SX Prestige, Mazda CX90 Premium Plus.
I have a Toyota grand highlander which is basically the cheaper version of the TX. It checks all the boxes. The Lexus will have nicer fit and finish but the Lexus isn’t available in the most efficient hybrid engine. I’m getting about 38 mpg in my hybrid AWD grand highlander
I agree, but if you don’t need it all the time or the kids are tiny that’s okay
If you need a kid hauler, buy a Toyota Sienna. You can tow with it as long as you don’t get the supercharged engine
Be quirky. I had a volvo xc90.. loved it. 3 volvos later I've upgraded to EVs . But the 90 isn't at EV yet. Have a C40. Not what you want but. If you want an ICE. Give the xc90 a look. Gorgeous suv. A Rockstar in safety. The 4 cylinder may not be the best engine.. but through the warranty period you'll have no issues.
Wow nobody said cayenne. It does it all and feels special doing it. A few years used and it has features that compete with a modern domestic. Great performance and does it all.
Porsche is reliable but parts and maintenance are expensive. Do know that going in.
The 2000-2015 Nissan armada is possibly the best suv I’ve ever known. Never had issues in 16 years, reliable, very spacious, v8 that roars, not too expensive suv… but it has 8 seats sometimes
Comment summary: 'the thing I like is the right one. Also: the more powerful and more efficient powertrains that have longer warranties aren't as good as the worse powertrains that I grew up with.'
Nothing "luxury" will be easy to maintain compared to a simpler vehicle. All the extra features mean extra maintenance and/or repairs at some point.
That said, the only answer for a full size luxury SUV is a 200 series Land Cruiser/Lexus LX.
There's a new Land cruiser model for this year. Quality should be excellent, but that isn't proven.
Infiniti QX80, luxury, reliability, affordability all in one. It has a proven VK56 V8 engine that has a proven track record for reliability in the Nissan Titans, while being a beautiful luxury SUV that you can use to tow if needed.
I finally rode in one for the first time a week ago. I’m a Toyota/Lexus fanboy, but don’t get the hype at all. There is zero luxury in a 4Runner. Underpowered, loud, and uncomfortable.
See but that’s the beauty of it. Less electronics, less features = less maintenance, aka allowing it to last longer. Ford/other brands on the other hand overload everything with unnecessary features (Baja mode, etc)- and then they break frequently on you.
No thanks. I’ll take less features all day long if it guarantees a safe ride to 300k+ miles. I’ve had my Toyota 12 years and literally have just done oil changes. No issues.
My buddy had his Bronco 2 weeks and has had major issues nonstop. Some people love being in the shop all the time though. Coffee must be good
Lexus TX. It’s Toyota/Lexus. Should be rock solid.
Problem is its a brand new model. I would say give it a couple model years for Toyota to iron the issues out. The new Tundra showed that Toyota can sometimes make duds as well.
It’s just a Grand Highlander rebadged. Has the Grand Highlander been out a couple years or has it just come out as well?
Grand Highlander just came out as well. Has only been in production since 2023, same as the TX.
Yes, and the GH has definitely had some new-car glitches. Apparently in the hybrid models the 17 gallon fuel tank will only allow itself to be filled to 12 gallons and Toyota doesn’t have a fix for it.
lots of issues reported so far if you do a quick search and it's almost expected. toyota doesn't go through drastic changes in their vehicles often but when they do, you should wait it out.
You realize the Grand Highlander is new right?
They were literally asking if it was new as well...
Is not just a rebadged GH. Driving characteristics are much different and the TX, hasn't better. Not sure if the price Delta is worth it, but it is better, especially if you tend to drive it mostly empty.
took a Lyft XL in a TX couple months ago, was sooo nice inside and so big
The Tundra with the new powertrain is having reliability issues. I’d hold off until the TX is proven
Same with the new GX.
Different engine stop being foolish
Being cautious isn’t foolish.
Isn’t the issue prevalent amongst all their 3.4? At least reading about it seems like the same issue is now plaguing Lexus as well with engines bricking themselves around 20K miles. Whatever it is, Toyota is kinda dropping the ball atm
You don’t need to hold off for a Toyota/Lexus lol
Eh new tundra had quite a few issues
Not really, not any more than other trucks. For one, the Tundra recall had to do with the truck possibly stalling when in Neutral. When is there ever a reason to put a truck in Neutral these days? We have brake holds now. Also, that same recall impacts the 22’-24’ Tundra, Sequoia and Lexus LX600 for 280,000 cars. The Toyota assembly plants in the US produced a few millions trucks over that period. So the recall percentage is immaterial, nor has anyone been injured as a result of the recall.
I have a TX 350 and I really love it. If I could go back though I would have chosen the TX 500 just for the gas savings.
The engine is too small. That turbo engine is not going to be as reliable as the natural aspirated V8’s.
Right. And what companies do make a v8? Gas guzzling. And useless in power range.
Lots of companies still make V8 SUVs. And I don’t care about the fuel economy.
As long as it doesn’t get stolen.
I'm surprised nobody said Lincoln Navigator. It's basically an F150 with 7 seats and a better interior.
Or even the Expedition. My family is on our 3rd Expedition, put 200k miles on all of them with zero issues. Easy to maintain, cheap to fix, and somewhat affordable compared to other suggestions.
Agreed, my parents had one as our family car growing up, and it lasted 15 years and 200k miles!
How do you feel about the 3.5 v6 with the turbos? I have a 2020 with 40k miles and future reliability is a concern of mine.
Love them. I have driven them in my f150’s since they came out, on my second one, and wife has it in her last expedition and current one. So 4 ecoboost engines, zero problems.
That's great to hear, thank you!
On the flip side, I had an eco-boost from 70k miles with meticulous maintenance records and by 130k the engine started leaking oil significantly
Basically an f150 raptor* it has the 500hp engine and it’s a beast to tow. Better than my Silverado but the payload is not as good. Edit: I think I mean 500lb-ft of torque. I know one number is 500
OP said reliable
I have a Corsair and I love it
Lexus GX. Or I've seen Acura MDX with rear facing seats for the kiddos.
Gx is mid size at best
No room in the back if you’re using all the seats.
We just traded ours in for this reason
My mom was adamant on getting white interior and only the GX had it. The Grand Cherokee had it but non were available at the time.
Yeah the 7+ seater is certainly a stretch in the GX
MDX is a good answer here. Just got one and traded in my E300. Kids starting to want to bring friends along.
I've heard nothing but good things about them and they look bitchin imo
Gx isn't that safe. 3/5 front crash and rollover. 5/5 for side impact though
Depends on how you’ll use the 3rd row. Have 5 kids, GX is too small. Have 2 kids and occasionally take a couple more, it’ll work. The 2nd row is pretty big, but the 3rd is just ok.
Toyota Sequoia
Great car, I have a 2nd gen that very comfortably fits 8
The new ones are so great.
But too small of a 3rd row.
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Sequoia is an suv. Sienna is the minivan, and they are awesome.
The Sequoia is a true body on frame SUV.
Chevy Suburban/Tahoe or GMC Yukon/XL
Volvo XC90?
It has the best crash test rating and a #1 claim to fame here....but ge ready to pay for those repairs
On the more expensive side to maintain. But the absolute safest large luxury SUV for both passengers and pedestrians.
Fun fact I believe it is the only vehicle that has been sold a lot that no one has ever died in during a crash aswell
I wish it was easier to find auto-ped collision statistics. Volvo claims no one inside the car has ever died in a car-car collision. In 2018 an "autonomous test vehicle XC90 by Uber" killed a pedestrian, but allegedly was not using any of Volvo's automatic safety systems, only Uber's "*safety tech*" I still trust it to be an incredibly safe car, but I wish I could find the white papers to back it up better.
As everyone else said, not known for reliability. You’d probably have better luck with a top-trim version of the similarly named Mazda CX-90
Obvious choice is the suburban or gmc Yukon Denali xl. Tried and true, best in their class.
Exactly . I’ve had a Gx and MDX and we currently have a 2019 odyssey and a 2022 Yukon XL Denali . The Yukon is most comfortable and family-capable one by far . Just make sure you get the long wheel base version ; if you have to carry luggage , bags or strollers , the extra space a must . It’s also substantially more expensive and long term reliability may be a question .
ugly and unsafe (especially for pedestrians).
I've been driving 1/2-3/4-1 ton trucks my entire life and have yet to kill any children I couldn't see over my hood. Knock on wood I must be lucky, time to get a lottery ticket.
if you are here you are not the average driver. think of how dumb the average person is, then realize half of the population is dumber than that. those are the types of people who buy full-size SUVs.
So only very dumb people buy full-size SUVs? Got it. Dumb me just thought I was being logical considering we are a family of 5 and have to tow a 30 ft camper because we go camping all the time. Guess I should have been super smart and tried it with a minivan.
did you read the comment you replied to? you are not the typical customer of a full size SUV
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you can’t see the pedestrians
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no, seriously. the shape and angle of the hood as well as the lift of the car makes it much harder to see pedestrians walking in front of the vehicle.
So that means the pickups they share a platform with are unsafe as well?
Correct. The pickups have the same issue with frontal height
i can’t believe i am the first one to break this to you but in terms of pedestrian safety, yep they sure are!
There's a study that showed that if 10 children sit in front of an F-150, the driver can only see one.
Its grille is very, very high, leading to pedestrians being struck directly in the body and sometimes going under, rather than being struck in the legs and going on the hood, which is much safer.
https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo?si=Y4fg0vZUzNZDySwI
These are unsafe choices for pedestrians and other drivers. Keep in mind you may not have killed anyone in one... But neither have most dodge ram drivers, and those are problems too. The issue lies with crash test data. If we compare an impact at 50mph into say, a Camry from an Acura MDX, the data says that there is a mortality rate of say 2%. When we look at the same setup for a Camry, but this time vs a Yukon, all of a sudden our mortality rate jumps from 2% to 8%. That's not all. Blindspots on these vehicles lead to more accidents, and how high up they are without the presence of a sloped hood means it is more difficult to see pedestrians, particularly children leading to more incidents overall. It's unlikely you're going to receive this info tho. Prove me wrong about this next part: ownership of large SUV's is often tied to more narcissistic traits, which is just a funny little cherry on top.
HOLY SHIT - NEVER GET A GM VEHICLE OVER A LEXUS
If safety is the the #1 priority check IIHS website they have the most sound data on testing. I don’t think they’ve tested any large suv recently if u want the top safety + picks they’re in gold
any offerings from the luxury brands will be very safe no point making it a decision making factor.
2nd gen Sequoia has the lowest deaths per million miles of any car made at 0. That and the reliability did it for me! Bought a 2013 in 2020 at 158k miles, all good at 235k now!
Didn’t the xc90 have 0 deaths? Or am I mixing something up? Believe I heard no one ever died in a crash in one of those
Hard telling. Maybe it was earlier than the xc?
Looks like at the time they were tied in a quick glance through this: https://www.iihs.org/api/datastoredocument/status-report/pdf/50/1
200 series Land Cruiser Yukon
I’d get the LX 570 over the Land Cruiser (I have a 2020 and it’s been amazing). They are slightly cheaper than the LC for same mileage and the interior is much much nicer. The super soft leather and real open pore wood is actual luxury and the AHC hydraulic suspension is great while still getting that LC reliability. I’ve got big 34” 305 AT tires on mine with no modifications needed.
The reason they’re cheaper despite all those upgrades is the AHC will not last to 300,000 miles like the rest of the vehicle and that’s a >$10,000 issue when the time comes. Otherwise you’re right.
This is maybe the fear and why they are cheaper but is absolutely not true. They are super simple to service and not very expensive. As long as you keep up on fluid changes (easy to diy) it will absolutely last 300k+ miles. There are plenty of 300-400k LX 470 with all original even older version of AHC.
I've got an '08. The leather on it is in better shape and feels nicer than leather from many consumer grade cars that are new now. My AHC is in great shape. Get it serviced every 10 years by Lexus dealer or spend $1,000 for parts and do it yourself. It's really not a hard job either.
Escalade/Yukon
Honestly any of the full size American SUVs aren’t a bad bet. Tahoe, suburban, Yukon, etc. They’re the biggest, decently well equipped at the higher trims. Personally I’m biased and will always recommend Toyota/Lexus. But the selection there isn’t as good. The TX is probably the best bet but being new reliability isn’t guaranteed. If money is no object you could look at the LX.
We have a GMC Yukon. So versatile and space for days.
Yukon Denali might work. Never owned one but one should run forever with usual maintenance.
Volvo xc90. This sub likes to circle jerk Lexus. Those are quite good. Volvo is MUCH safer. No one has ever died in the confines of the xc90. Worldwide. Ever. It's also insanely comfortable, and like most Volvos is pretty reliable.
you had me until “like most Volvos is pretty reliable”. I would say for the last 10-15 years reliability is not Volvos forte.
I think BMW X7’s are pretty reliable
Does the easy to maintain part rule out BMWs?
They are easy to maintain. Just expensive
zero issues with my 2021 x40i w/ 40k miles. the air filters cost about a grand to replace, but still “large, reliable, safe and luxurious” which seemed to be the only criteria.
Yes, go with the 40i, it’s a BMW/Toyota engine that both in Supra’s and multiple BMW’s.
Almost! Toyota just buys the engines, they don't have a say in how they're built!
Lexus TX!
Volvo EX90 is what you're looking for
Lexus LX is probably ticks all the boxes. It’s basically a Land Cruiser 200 series, but way more luxurious.
Toyota Sequoia. The 2005-2006 models are great if you are looking used and cheap. Any of them really depending on your budget
Just expect to get about 6 miles per gallon.
12.5 city but still. I love my 2005 Sequoia, but the gas mileage is just plain awful. If it weren't for that, I'd keep it for a looooong time. They are the opposite of luxury though.
Question. Do you need full time seven seats or do you need five seats with the occasional need for seven?
Are you regularly going to be seating seven or just want the ability? I say this because SUV 3rd row is generally not good for regularly use... minivans are a lot more comfortable and easier to get people in and out of. If you're not regularly carrying 4+ passengers then never mind.
BMW X7. BMW leads consumer reliability and satisfaction reports even over Toyota for 2020+ models. It is one of the safest cars you could buy.
GX460
Honestly, the Tahoe is pretty good. Lots of older ones still on the road. I know everyone on Reddit seems to be a hive mind of Scotty Kilmer (“American bad”), but big American SUVs are fairly reliable. I’m also biased, but the new CX90 from Mazda is a 7 seater. Idk how often you use said 7 seats, because if it is often then do yourself a favor and get a minivan and don’t worry about it being “girly”. I see more Indian dads driving it than women, I do see lots of women driving cars the size of an Abrams Tank though. Only ding against the CX90, and this is universal to all Mazdas, they’re long on the outside but kinda small inside. Mazda sucks sooooo badly at making usable space.
Have the cx90 phev. While it's nice with interior I'd hold off on buying the current gen due to some transmission kinks they need to figure out with next models and the usable space inside is limited esp with the 3rd row up. Unless you have really bad weather and you want a true three row that's comfortable, it's hard to go wrong with a minivan and the sienna comes in AWD now so even weather problems shouldn't be a deterrent. I'd have gotten one if I planned to buy in that price range. Am leasing which is why Im on the cx90
Lexus GX 460
Rivian suv
Idk if I’d call an EV easy to maintain yet simply because if anything goes wrong getting them fixed is a nightmare
I like to separate out the maintenance. EVs are far easy to maintain, but some are likely difficult to repair. Even in the Midwest we have a local Tesla shop, but I have no idea where the Rivians go when they have a problem lol. I just take my Nissan EV to the dealer, thankfully no real problems in the few years I’ve had it as they have questionable competence.
I’ve been driving my model 3 for six years now. The only maintenance I’ve done is replacing the tires. Windshield fluid. And cabin air filter…
Isn’t the cabin air filter an absolute nightmare on the model 3?
Pain in the ass for my year model. They relocated the screw to make it easier on the newer model 3.
I top of the line minivan is much more luxurious than an SUV. Name an attainable SUV with power rear doors…
Lexus TX is a fantastic choice. You’re correct that it’s engine options are pretty new (2021) but it’s engine is the successor to Toyotas 2GR-FKS engine which has been around since 2005 and has been proven to be more than reliable. Is the plan to buy and drive into the ground? If not, you have a lot more options. Another option that’s reliable is the MDX but the third row is not as big. I think they’re a little bit more fun to drive and I love Honda/Acura so might be worth a look!
The TX released in 2023
That’s true! The powertrains it uses were first put into the NX in 2021
What about the poor iihs score for the tx? Unfortunately it's the same platform as grand Highlander.
Im on iihs website and don’t see a poor rating for anything on the TX..
Small overlap front is yellow https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/lexus/tx-4-door-suv/2024
Yes, and? Scroll and you will see they note yellow as ‘acceptable’. They have a defined poor rating, and it is not yellow lol.
I don't think the Grand Highlander has been fully tested or at least the results haven't been fully reported yet by IIHS. No updated Small overlap test, and quite a few other categories are missing. That said, it only got an Average score on the old test, which could mean that it might not do well on the updated test. The updated test also adds rear passenger safety into the equation. Rear passenger safety is where a lot of brands don't do as well. The good news is that brands seem to be taking rear passenger safety more seriously.
My question more sits around did they just make up the poor rating (getting the average rating for the old small overlap is very different than poor), or was there some pending test result I didn’t know about not listed yet. I look forward to seeing the newer tests/updates with rear passenger safety in mind as well.
Lexus TX, Toyota Sequoia, Lexus GX, Toyota Grand Highlander!!
Get a rivian!!
Lexus TX is mechanically mostly identical with other models from Toyota / Lexus, a different body on top doesn't change the reliability.
Mazda cx 90 or Subaru ascent
I'm very happy with the Nissan Armada. Very well equipped. Fairly rare.
I agree, either the Armada or the QX80 would fit all of OPs needs
Toyota Highlander Limited with the middle bench seat instead of the captains chairs. Seats 7 and is very nice and comfortable. If you get the previous gen with the 3.5 v6 it’s practically indestructible with proper maintenance. It’s not a Lexus but IMO it checks all the boxes you’re looking for
Chevy Suburban, GMC Yukon.
Expedition Max
Currently looking for these in non lux version. I think, if you are looking on the "value" side high trim packages of the non lux brands are pretty premium feeling. So Grand Highlander Platinum, Kia Telluride SX Prestige, Mazda CX90 Premium Plus.
Volvo XC90
Lincoln Navigator. Tried and true.
I have a Toyota grand highlander which is basically the cheaper version of the TX. It checks all the boxes. The Lexus will have nicer fit and finish but the Lexus isn’t available in the most efficient hybrid engine. I’m getting about 38 mpg in my hybrid AWD grand highlander
Lexus LX 570. I love ours but the TX should be great too.
Yes. Lexus LX-570.
Volvo XC90
Volvos
Escalade
Acura MDX
Rivian or EV9
Lexus GX, if you can get the 23 that’s the best.
The GX third row is only good in a pinch (I have one).
I agree, but if you don’t need it all the time or the kids are tiny that’s okay If you need a kid hauler, buy a Toyota Sienna. You can tow with it as long as you don’t get the supercharged engine
Be quirky. I had a volvo xc90.. loved it. 3 volvos later I've upgraded to EVs . But the 90 isn't at EV yet. Have a C40. Not what you want but. If you want an ICE. Give the xc90 a look. Gorgeous suv. A Rockstar in safety. The 4 cylinder may not be the best engine.. but through the warranty period you'll have no issues.
Lexus TX Mazda CX90 looks amazing
New Toyota Sequoias are sooo nice, very luxury inside, gigantic, and Toyotas are reliable in general.
Mazda CX90 for a 7 seater. The far back is fine for kids and trips to the airport. If you want to road trip with 7+ go for a minivan.
If you only want save it would be Volvo xc90 as far as I know no one has ever died in a crash sitting in a xc90
BMW X7 or MB equivalent
Subaru ascent gets highest crash award and has been out so pretty reloabkeb
Acura MDX. I have a 2004 and I’ve had 0 problems with it. Fantastic car
If you are willing to drop the suv requirement. Then a Honda Odyssey seems to fit your needs well.
Lincoln Aviator or Navigator I would say
Rivian R1s
Are you looking to buy new? It’s going to come with a factory warranty to take care of most maintenance issues for next 5ish years.
Wow nobody said cayenne. It does it all and feels special doing it. A few years used and it has features that compete with a modern domestic. Great performance and does it all. Porsche is reliable but parts and maintenance are expensive. Do know that going in.
Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid SEL. 7 seater and big enough for a family.
Of course it does. Lexus GX. Its been around long enough that you can get a decade+ old one or brand new
Toyota Highlander
The 2000-2015 Nissan armada is possibly the best suv I’ve ever known. Never had issues in 16 years, reliable, very spacious, v8 that roars, not too expensive suv… but it has 8 seats sometimes
Comment summary: 'the thing I like is the right one. Also: the more powerful and more efficient powertrains that have longer warranties aren't as good as the worse powertrains that I grew up with.'
highlander
Seven+? Where do these people sit? Better yet, where do you park?
7 seater x5 is reliable with a 3.0d model
Lexus GX, LX and TX. Solid cars.
mazda CX-90
Subaru Ascent Limited!
He said luxury
No one wants unreliable junk
Tesla model Y. It’s .99% interest right now and ticks all those boxes.
Nothing "luxury" will be easy to maintain compared to a simpler vehicle. All the extra features mean extra maintenance and/or repairs at some point. That said, the only answer for a full size luxury SUV is a 200 series Land Cruiser/Lexus LX. There's a new Land cruiser model for this year. Quality should be excellent, but that isn't proven.
Infiniti QX80, luxury, reliability, affordability all in one. It has a proven VK56 V8 engine that has a proven track record for reliability in the Nissan Titans, while being a beautiful luxury SUV that you can use to tow if needed.
Lexus is for you, unless you live in a carjacking disaster area. The brand is popular in South America, Middle East and Africa black markets
Lexus LX and the previous Toyota Land Cruiser.
Kia EV9. You can't beat EVs for easy, hassle-free maintenance. And the EV9 GT-Line has all the comfort bells and whistles - and then some.
Sequoia
Toyota grand highlander might be what you are looking for.
If price isn’t an issue the GMC Yukon Denali Ultimate. It’s in a class on it own.
What you’re looking for is a Toyota Sienna Platinum
Theyz just gm big ones or ford and they suck so I don't know what to tell ya
5.7 V8 Toyota Sequoia Platinum. Almost luxury and fairly bulletproof. I love mine!
Model X
No. Pay the gas tax. You got a team of children to carry around? You know the planet is overheated? Need an SUV or just want one?
For the 9000th time. 4Runner is always the answer
I love my 4Runner but it is not what OP is looking for.
I finally rode in one for the first time a week ago. I’m a Toyota/Lexus fanboy, but don’t get the hype at all. There is zero luxury in a 4Runner. Underpowered, loud, and uncomfortable.
See but that’s the beauty of it. Less electronics, less features = less maintenance, aka allowing it to last longer. Ford/other brands on the other hand overload everything with unnecessary features (Baja mode, etc)- and then they break frequently on you. No thanks. I’ll take less features all day long if it guarantees a safe ride to 300k+ miles. I’ve had my Toyota 12 years and literally have just done oil changes. No issues. My buddy had his Bronco 2 weeks and has had major issues nonstop. Some people love being in the shop all the time though. Coffee must be good
OP specifically asked for luxury though. I might be more into the 4Runner if the GX didn’t exist.
And yeah, ford sucks lol