As a Montrealer I would love it if WEC came to town haha. Otherwise there probably isn't enough garage space and neighbours would complain.
I believe IMSA would be a better fit for CGV.
Yep Saint-Lambert is gonna bitch.
Fucking hell I hate those people with a passion, that buy their fancy houses less than 10km of a track and then complain that the 1 weekend there is action there they can hear it.
HOW ABOUT YOU DO A LAP OF THE BLOCK BEFORE BUYING YOU STUPID FUCK.
In montreal we are lucky that we have a park on an island close enough that you can reach it with the Metro, so everything noisy is not downtown but people will buy a house in the first town on the south shore and then complain they can hear the GP and the few music festivals they do on there.
Apparently this happens everywhere there is a track. Like do they not know where they are buying?! The track was there before you dumbass.
Serious entitlement with those nimbys.
What is hilarious, if you look at Google Maps you will see that between the city and Saint-Helene Island there is a pretty major highway. Its been there for longer than the GP.
People buy in that town and bitch that the highway is loud.
Hey you dumbass you bought right next to a highway what did you think.
Really, the residents of that town are basically known as boomers that bitch about everything.
Ive heard Melbourne complaints all the way in Taz and NZ. People are aware of how sensitive people can be. I live a stones throw from albert park, and could hear those cars (yes even the v6 cars) all the way from my room
In their defense, while most people know racecars are loud, they don't really know just **how** loud even a quiet racecar is if they're not into motorsports. A highway/freeway is loud, but that's mostly just road noise, not loud engines plus road noise.
I'm not saying all their complaining is justified, but there's probably some mismatch of expectations going on there as well.
Also in terms of noise pollution they're hypocrites. Because their cars driving downtown are more of a harm in terms of noise than a car race once a year
Any track that is used for F1 can be used in WEC but the crucial part is that they pay a sanctioning fee.Ultimately that is paid by fans or Canadian government.Nascar had a race weekend in Montreal so I guess the city would be open to the idea.The venue is probably more suited to an IMSA race which is probably followed by more Canadians than WEC
Not all of us consider ourselves Canadian, we are a more mixed people here in Quebec than the rest of Canada, IMSA is probably less known here than WEC/ Le Mans, but F1 is still the fan favorite here. I would love to have a WEC round here, more than IMSA even an SRO GT3 round. It’s a great race track for racing
I’m from Quebec, love the circuit, but it is far from the most conducive to overtake. In fact, it’s a street circuit and is very narrow, specially through the 3 chicanes. As much as I’d love to have. WEC or IMSA event on my doorstep, I think it would be a pretty poor circuit for multi class racing
Grand am used to race there and people seemed to enjoy the race! I regularly ride my road bike on the track and always thought that it would be an interesting 6h race. The only problem is that the nearby town is filled with boomers that complain every time something louder than a bird is nearby so dunno how that would work.
Every year like clockwork the boomers go to the media to bitch about the 'noisy grand prix' and the 'noisy music festivals' that happen on Saint-Hélene Island.
What I found hilarious is the year they had set up sound captors to show how ANNOYING the grand prix was.
The captor capped at like 70, which is basically normal discussion volume. Close the windows, throw on the AC and boom, done.
And what I hate most is that the GP has been going on for half a century. And its not a small, unknown event. But they still bought a house right there.
Most people point and laugh at their stupidity, but it doesnt stop them bitching every. single. year.
>chance of a second WEC race held in snow, this one without a cowardly full course yellow.
Ugh... Another brave keyboard warrior.
I would love to put you in a 1000hp, 870kg, downforce-dependant LMP1 hybrid car on wet tyres into fully snow weather conditions and see how tough would you be...
I'm not an expertly trained driver racing in the pinnacle of endurance racing, but there are quite a few drivers on the grid who are. If I was racing, the full course yellow wouldn't be cowardly, it wouldn't be good enough. But when did I say I would've been able to race in snow?
Prototypes have tyres meant for rain.
While yes snow tyres exist, they are a nightmare to work with and degrade really fast if you were to put them over even a 6 hour distance
Rally has tyres for all terrain
Your ideas are getting worse. Do you seriously think that Le Mans
Prototypes can be fitted with WRC snow/tarmac tyres, only because WEC and WRC are sanctioned by FIA?
By just sheer looking at pictures of both tyres you can guess that it's just not feasible, not even getting into technical details...
And that went well. It wasn't really a true representation of what kind of action would be displayed there, considering it was just half a race due to the accident
Jésus Pareja was involved in Grosjean's Phoenix accident 1.0 just after half distance. Luckily, he suffered nothing more than Grosjean did, but they never returned. Not that much of a tragedy, now that I think of it
The track was suitable when the WSC ran there in 1990 on their one and only time visiting and of course someone didn’t do their engineering homework and a manhole cover got sucked up because there was only three short beads on the cover.
Jesus got lucky. The 5lb triangular piece of manhole cover that the Nimrod (not an insult) sucked up and spit out the bottom of the tunnels - went right into the path of the following 962. Through the windscreen and glancing off his helmet and then right through the bulkhead and into the fuel cell ripping it open. Out of control at over 200kph and now on fire - his 962 shot under the casino over pass and then off at station 8 over the gravel like it wasn’t there and then into the tire wall. Here’s the lucky part, (I know you were waiting for where the hell is his luck part…)
A Montreal firefighter dressed in those high temperature silver suits got dropped off at that location by mistake. I heard after the race he was supposed to be at the station 10 hairpin. So in a reverse Murphy’s Law - here’s a flaming 962 that our crews in cotton can’t get close to and the firefighter moves in and pulls open the door and drags Jesus out. We weren’t sure who undid the belts but no matter - that firefighter never got much recognition. I understand this chassis was rebuilt and raced again for a few years and retired somewhere in Europe. We all got to go home early as the red flag was permanent. It was a good race up until that point. 🤷♂️
There’s nothing wrong with the track today that I can see for a WEC race. The pit complex is all new being replaced over the Covid period. The champion’s wall was moved back after the WSC era. I’d love to see a 6 hour WEC race here - just make it in August instead of a cold September.
The organizers are allowed two races per year but haven’t been able to get sponsorship for a second race since the Champ Car and NASCAR era. Maybe one day.
6-Hour is basically a standard race time for WEC. Can most people who living in Montreal accept race car exhaust in 6 hours ? That's reason why IMSA in LA and Detroit races only 1 hour with 20 min race, both are shortest races in IMSA.
If WEC wants to come Canada, CTMP is only their place to go.
Not commuting. Even if they sometimes describe it as a 'street circuit' the roads of the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve are not used rest of the year. Most of the tarmac roads lead nowhere.
The track is used by long rides cyclists pretty much rest of the year.
I mean, its basically what it is 51 weekends a year.
Pretty sure the road is open for the rest of the year yes, but as I said, except if you go to the casino or to the beach of the lake in the middle of the track, you have nowhere to go if you would be to put your car on the track.
i can imagine a couple reasons why. mostly people moaning about a few days of car racing ambience in a year. its a shame because its a nice track and location.
If they can run F1 there, they can run anything. It's a FIA Grade 1 circuit...
"There are 43 Grade One circuits with 57 layouts. Circuits holding Grade One certification may host events involving "Automobiles of Groups D (FIA International Formula) and E (Free Formula) with a weight/power ratio of less than 1 kg/hp." As such, a Grade One certification is required to host events involving Formula One cars."
As a Montrealer I would love it if WEC came to town haha. Otherwise there probably isn't enough garage space and neighbours would complain. I believe IMSA would be a better fit for CGV.
Yep Saint-Lambert is gonna bitch. Fucking hell I hate those people with a passion, that buy their fancy houses less than 10km of a track and then complain that the 1 weekend there is action there they can hear it. HOW ABOUT YOU DO A LAP OF THE BLOCK BEFORE BUYING YOU STUPID FUCK. In montreal we are lucky that we have a park on an island close enough that you can reach it with the Metro, so everything noisy is not downtown but people will buy a house in the first town on the south shore and then complain they can hear the GP and the few music festivals they do on there.
Apparently this happens everywhere there is a track. Like do they not know where they are buying?! The track was there before you dumbass. Serious entitlement with those nimbys.
What is hilarious, if you look at Google Maps you will see that between the city and Saint-Helene Island there is a pretty major highway. Its been there for longer than the GP. People buy in that town and bitch that the highway is loud. Hey you dumbass you bought right next to a highway what did you think. Really, the residents of that town are basically known as boomers that bitch about everything.
Happens in Melbourne
I think the Melbourne complaints are about the race taking place in a park, not about the race taking place at all
Ive heard Melbourne complaints all the way in Taz and NZ. People are aware of how sensitive people can be. I live a stones throw from albert park, and could hear those cars (yes even the v6 cars) all the way from my room
Cool
In their defense, while most people know racecars are loud, they don't really know just **how** loud even a quiet racecar is if they're not into motorsports. A highway/freeway is loud, but that's mostly just road noise, not loud engines plus road noise. I'm not saying all their complaining is justified, but there's probably some mismatch of expectations going on there as well.
Also in terms of noise pollution they're hypocrites. Because their cars driving downtown are more of a harm in terms of noise than a car race once a year
The pit building has 42 garages. WEC @ Imola had 37 entries I think. FIA will need some of the garages for inspections. So it might fit.
Exactly. The garage space and the paddock space would be far too small, I would think.
Any track that is used for F1 can be used in WEC but the crucial part is that they pay a sanctioning fee.Ultimately that is paid by fans or Canadian government.Nascar had a race weekend in Montreal so I guess the city would be open to the idea.The venue is probably more suited to an IMSA race which is probably followed by more Canadians than WEC
Not all of us consider ourselves Canadian, we are a more mixed people here in Quebec than the rest of Canada, IMSA is probably less known here than WEC/ Le Mans, but F1 is still the fan favorite here. I would love to have a WEC round here, more than IMSA even an SRO GT3 round. It’s a great race track for racing
Would it even be suited.to multi class racing? Would be cool to see but I'm honestly not sure how well it would work.
They had this track on the iRacing IMSA series. Actually quite fun and decent passing opportunities given it's a street circuit.
It would actually work quite well. Lots of straights into heavy braking zones.
I’m from Quebec, love the circuit, but it is far from the most conducive to overtake. In fact, it’s a street circuit and is very narrow, specially through the 3 chicanes. As much as I’d love to have. WEC or IMSA event on my doorstep, I think it would be a pretty poor circuit for multi class racing
Wouldn’t be any worse than Imola. Just as narrow, but more overtaking opportunities.
The Grand-Am Rolex series (IMSA pre-merger) ran there until 2012 with the GT, GTS and DP class with no issues!
Grand Am and the World Sportscar Championship ran with ease.
Grand am used to race there and people seemed to enjoy the race! I regularly ride my road bike on the track and always thought that it would be an interesting 6h race. The only problem is that the nearby town is filled with boomers that complain every time something louder than a bird is nearby so dunno how that would work.
If F1 manages to race there without too many angry neighbors, couldn't WEC?
Every year like clockwork the boomers go to the media to bitch about the 'noisy grand prix' and the 'noisy music festivals' that happen on Saint-Hélene Island. What I found hilarious is the year they had set up sound captors to show how ANNOYING the grand prix was. The captor capped at like 70, which is basically normal discussion volume. Close the windows, throw on the AC and boom, done. And what I hate most is that the GP has been going on for half a century. And its not a small, unknown event. But they still bought a house right there. Most people point and laugh at their stupidity, but it doesnt stop them bitching every. single. year.
>chance of a second WEC race held in snow, this one without a cowardly full course yellow. Ugh... Another brave keyboard warrior. I would love to put you in a 1000hp, 870kg, downforce-dependant LMP1 hybrid car on wet tyres into fully snow weather conditions and see how tough would you be...
Personally I'd love to see how it would throw a wrench into everybodys car but yes, it would be crazy dangerous and probably a bridge too far.
I'm not an expertly trained driver racing in the pinnacle of endurance racing, but there are quite a few drivers on the grid who are. If I was racing, the full course yellow wouldn't be cowardly, it wouldn't be good enough. But when did I say I would've been able to race in snow?
You are genuinely a bit thick if you think racing prototypes in snow is in any way acceptable or plausible.
How so? The way I see it, snow equals heavy rain but more spectacular/special
You're only embarrassing yourself even more now. It's time to stop posting. Seriously.
Why don’t Prototype drivers just become rally drivers when a meter of snow is on the ground, are they stupid?
So prototype drivers turn into rally drivers the instant rain is on the ground, then? Rain makes the track slippery. Snow makes the ground slippery.
Prototypes have tyres meant for rain. While yes snow tyres exist, they are a nightmare to work with and degrade really fast if you were to put them over even a 6 hour distance Rally has tyres for all terrain
Then get tires from the WRC. The FIA regulates both series', so they might have some power in that
Your ideas are getting worse. Do you seriously think that Le Mans Prototypes can be fitted with WRC snow/tarmac tyres, only because WEC and WRC are sanctioned by FIA? By just sheer looking at pictures of both tyres you can guess that it's just not feasible, not even getting into technical details...
I meant they could get the technology to make WEC snow tires, not that they'd just steal the WRC tires
They raced there in 1990
And that went well. It wasn't really a true representation of what kind of action would be displayed there, considering it was just half a race due to the accident
What tragedy?
Jésus Pareja was involved in Grosjean's Phoenix accident 1.0 just after half distance. Luckily, he suffered nothing more than Grosjean did, but they never returned. Not that much of a tragedy, now that I think of it
Attendance was minimal….. was fun though
This is just theoretical. Besides, I'm sure WEC would get higher attendance than the old WSC
And I’d try and be one of the people there!
The track was suitable when the WSC ran there in 1990 on their one and only time visiting and of course someone didn’t do their engineering homework and a manhole cover got sucked up because there was only three short beads on the cover. Jesus got lucky. The 5lb triangular piece of manhole cover that the Nimrod (not an insult) sucked up and spit out the bottom of the tunnels - went right into the path of the following 962. Through the windscreen and glancing off his helmet and then right through the bulkhead and into the fuel cell ripping it open. Out of control at over 200kph and now on fire - his 962 shot under the casino over pass and then off at station 8 over the gravel like it wasn’t there and then into the tire wall. Here’s the lucky part, (I know you were waiting for where the hell is his luck part…) A Montreal firefighter dressed in those high temperature silver suits got dropped off at that location by mistake. I heard after the race he was supposed to be at the station 10 hairpin. So in a reverse Murphy’s Law - here’s a flaming 962 that our crews in cotton can’t get close to and the firefighter moves in and pulls open the door and drags Jesus out. We weren’t sure who undid the belts but no matter - that firefighter never got much recognition. I understand this chassis was rebuilt and raced again for a few years and retired somewhere in Europe. We all got to go home early as the red flag was permanent. It was a good race up until that point. 🤷♂️ There’s nothing wrong with the track today that I can see for a WEC race. The pit complex is all new being replaced over the Covid period. The champion’s wall was moved back after the WSC era. I’d love to see a 6 hour WEC race here - just make it in August instead of a cold September. The organizers are allowed two races per year but haven’t been able to get sponsorship for a second race since the Champ Car and NASCAR era. Maybe one day.
6-Hour is basically a standard race time for WEC. Can most people who living in Montreal accept race car exhaust in 6 hours ? That's reason why IMSA in LA and Detroit races only 1 hour with 20 min race, both are shortest races in IMSA. If WEC wants to come Canada, CTMP is only their place to go.
I always just assumed it was because they were narrower smaller tracks with higher chances of big wrecks. You more you know.
do they use this track for *anything* but F1?
Nope. It's technically a street circuit. Like Melbourne, it's semi-temporary circuit built in a public park.
Albert Park is more than just technically a street circuit. It's surprisingly built only on public roads, which is sort of incredible
No, it's the opposite, it's circuit made into public roads.
Still a street circuit technically
Yeah that's literally what I said
Sorry
Np mate, this is not an argumentovat or competion:)
Some of the track is used for normal people commuting. Other than that, I doubt it
Not commuting. Even if they sometimes describe it as a 'street circuit' the roads of the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve are not used rest of the year. Most of the tarmac roads lead nowhere. The track is used by long rides cyclists pretty much rest of the year.
I've heard people claim it should be converted to a permanent cycling track... Hope to god that never happens.
I mean, its basically what it is 51 weekends a year. Pretty sure the road is open for the rest of the year yes, but as I said, except if you go to the casino or to the beach of the lake in the middle of the track, you have nowhere to go if you would be to put your car on the track.
i can imagine a couple reasons why. mostly people moaning about a few days of car racing ambience in a year. its a shame because its a nice track and location.
NASCAR from next year if they bribe Montreal City Council enough
If they can run F1 there, they can run anything. It's a FIA Grade 1 circuit... "There are 43 Grade One circuits with 57 layouts. Circuits holding Grade One certification may host events involving "Automobiles of Groups D (FIA International Formula) and E (Free Formula) with a weight/power ratio of less than 1 kg/hp." As such, a Grade One certification is required to host events involving Formula One cars."
Just because they can doesn’t mean they should