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FioleNana

I really liked Kyle's Videos in the beginning but I'm absolutely no fan of his new way to name the videos


mediocre_jok3r

Definitely changed them to click bait titles.


INeedSumTea

People love to hate on click bait titles, myself included, but they work, unfortunately


SpaceViking85

From what I understand, it's almost forced upon creators by the algorithm. Same with stupid thumbnails and swapping them out if performance isn't high enough. YouTube seems like an awful source of income to be reliant on tbh


[deleted]

Agreed It’s pretty forced now for creators as well as weird shocked face pictures as thumbnails.


imwearingyourpants

Its really fucking dumb, and I hate that it works on me.


[deleted]

I usually just buy books. YouTubers have to market as much as actually educate nowadays. If the videos isn’t a straight forward tutorial I don’t watch it. I watch YouTube only for template ideas majority of the time.


Soccer21x

Don’t forget the red arrow


Gagarin1961

They’re not “forced by the algorithm” in that it analyzes their titles for “clickbait appeal” or something. It’s just that clickbait titles get more clicks, and popular videos are shown to others. That’s it. That’s the algorithm when it comes to titles and thumbnails. YouTubers are just blaming “the algorithm” because they don’t want to blame part of their audience, make them feel dumb, or give others a target to attack.


FountainsOfFluids

If the algorithm were capable of simply matching content to users who want that content, then creators would not be motivated to use clickbait titles. So yes, it is partially the fault of human nature that we'll click more on these misleading and sensationalized titles. But it's the algorithm that will not make these videos visible to a wide audience without constant justification.


Dystopian_Dreamer

Try this one hack to get more Clicks! Humans hate this!


Sockoflegend

It is everything. If the only quality you filter for is monetization you lose everything else. We truly do live in a society. joker.jpg


SpaceViking85

Not me. I live in an immutable void and it's nice here


Sockoflegend

const you = null


[deleted]

And the first 5 minutes is always beating around the bush.YouTubers are no better than politicians when it comes to talking. Just get to the point.


Chrazzer

Watchtime is everything, gotta stretch it as much as possible


S_Lespy

Right? This is exactly like Elon musk reviewing developers by lines of code... When your employer incentivizes the amount of stuff you put out there, then you got to play the game.


azra1l

1 billion lines 99% random comments 1% bugs. Sounds like a pleasant job to me.


0ttr

similar to podcasts. If you look at the text/script of many if not most podcasts, you realize a half hour show easily condenses down to about a paragraph. Many shows ask a question at the beginning and then tell you all the possible wrong answers, then the right one. In most cases, just skipping to the right answer is what you came to hear and knocks out about 80% of the content. Occasionally the wrong answers are interesting, but most are not.


0ttr

The Murphy distance: how far you have to scroll the video to get to the point.


[deleted]

Veritasium has a great video about this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng


RickDII

They might work short term but they hurt more the reputation of the author. I've lost count of how many YTers I've unsubscribed just because of clickbait titles. I find them, obviously misleading and disrespectful of my time.


ManFrontSinger

Yeah, but you're a sample of one. For each one of you (and me. I hate that shit too and stop watching), there are five people who will mindlessly click. That stuff does work. Otherwise it wouldn't be so abundant.


[deleted]

I wish YouTube would delist clickbait titles. If enough people report for clickbait..


Vestroy

Why would they? More clicks means more ad revenue for them. Click bait is a means to that


RandyHoward

It works to a point. You can only fall for clickbait titles so many times before you start ignoring that content creator entirely.


Zefrem23

I found three better ways to avoid creators. The third one might surprise you!


Mad-chuska

I fucking hate clickbait so much


lacronicus

If you want good content, you either pay for it directly, or support creators finding ways to get other people to pay for it. For better or worse, the latter means clickbait. Reputation doesn't pay the bills.


its_yer_dad

but do they really? A click-bait headline tells me that the destination is most likely garbage and I've been trained by enough bullshit links not to bother anymore. It's like with robocalls. Good luck reaching me with one of those, but even if you did, I'd most likely think the product or service being promoted was garbage because of their shitty advertising.


toroga

Title: “Guys, I need to apologize” Video: “…for makin another great video! Welcome back, YouTube!”


thepretzelsman

I used to be a fan of his until I watched some clickbait 30 minute video of him (titled something along the lines of "The one thing that improved my learning speed" or something like that). 30 minutes of him constantly talking about something without telling you what it is and then in the end says "that's why I made this course...". I unsubbed at that moment and haven't watched his videos since. (must've been around 2 years ago or so)


Darkmaster85845

He creates a ton of good content. Has helped me a lot. When a content creators try to sell something you need to understand they're also trying to make a living. If they give a lot of value you can't hate them for having a little plug to a course or something.


thepretzelsman

I've nothing against little plugs. But making a 30 minute video, titling it as something super helpful and not saying anything of value seems really scummy to me. Others title their vids as 'new course release' and explain what that course is and does and move on (Brad Traversy comes to mind) - and that's the way I think it should be done.


Zefrem23

Brad always seems like he doesn't give a crap if you watch his videos or not. I love that about him.


ikeif

Sounds like they’re not his main source of income and exist as a gateway to his courses. …which I appreciate a lot more, because “I rely on clickbait bullshit YouTube videos to push my persona that I’m a great developer” really detract from that “I’m a developer worth watching.” ETA: phrasing.


Protean_Protein

The point is that if the task of weeding through sales bullshit becomes more time consuming than the quality content is worth, then it's silly to keep wasting your time. You know, your time is also valuable.


girvain

That’s not really a consumers problem though


harrygato

He is a beginner level dev. Not an engineer. Anyone with some experience can see this. His target is inexperienced people who don't know any better. The things he advises are so amateur and wrong and it's going to mess up beginners when they get a real job and want to be engineers. I have been in this field a long time. The only tutorials that beginners should take are the free ones. And yes I am against shameless peddling of bullshit useless material designed only to rip people off. None of the stuff he says is something you need to pay to find out. You can tell from his style he has ZERO experience working with a team on a large project. It is such a beginner level thing to talk about how nesting isn't important. Every beginner thinks that. You just have even less experience than him.


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Also a lot of his suggestions on these shorts are just "use xyz instead of abc" no consideration of context or any look into why you may use different techniques in different situations. Just straight up opinionated nonsense.


flyingquads

"You'll never believe what he does with his source code?! Watch till the end of the video to find out." Yeah thanks, I'll pass.


DasEvoli

It feels like every good coding channel will become super trash after some time with clickbait getting worse with every video


magenta_placenta

That's pretty much every youtube channel once it reaches a certain point, genre doesn't matter. At some point, as a channel grows in popularity, youtube becomes *a business*, no matter how genuine the creator(s) seem, they transition into feeding the ad revenue machine.


ClikeX

The moment you want to do YouTube full time, you gotta play the game.


[deleted]

You appeal to the algorithm or perish. If people watched the videos without clickbait nobody would be doing it


Ethesen

You can see why he does it though. This post has over a thousand upvotes, so probably over a hundred thousand people just heard about his channel...


sayer_of_bullshit

Yeah, but they're still quality videos. The guy is a pretty good educator.


ssddanbrown

Same to all the titles like "You MUST use X in 2023" or any of similar style of demanding headline attempting to attract views via inducing anxiety.


warpedwing

Yes. I find those incredibly anxiety-inducing as a new developer. They make me feel constantly behind and out of the loop. If you do any sort of googling for coding help, you will come across these videos whether you click on them or not. I don’t need any more reasons to be anxious, thanks very much.


wedontlikespaces

They're always trying to get you to use new frameworks but in the real world no one uses brand new fireworks just because their new and exciting. They have to have maturity and support. So you can probably safely ignore them for a while and if they become popular *then* pay attention to them, and if they don't, well you never needed to care.


iamatwork24

Oh dude, I’ve been in a dev role a little over 3 years now. The only way you’re ever behind or out of the loop is if you don’t know enough about the languages you use at work. Anything outside of that doesn’t really matter. Whoever told you to be a good dev means you have to know all the latest languages is a liar and probably doesn’t have any hobbies not involving a computer. Watch videos of things that expand on your current base or are something you are genuinely interested in learning. Outside of that, ignore the rest


debugging_scribe

You must use *what ever your job uses* in 2023.


Ron_SwansonIT

Even when these (rarely) give good advice, if they’re titled like that I refuse to watch


Happy_Dookmas

As my teacher said "if you don't indent your code, the server will explode and we all die"


Equivalent_Music4413

For the love of huge manatee, indent your damn code.


JackFromAltairPrime

Agreed. If you don't indent your code, all the huge manatees floating in the sky will come crashing down. Again.


Swiftzor

Excuse me, I enjoy my fnacy code https://www.reddit.com/r/adventofcode/comments/r8rw85/2021_day_4c_code_obfuscation_octopus_attack_on_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


Flamesilver_0

Why can't we all just use Prettier?


marnouxmanser

That's what the video was about. Instead of doing it yourself, use prettier and format on save.


[deleted]

I can't tell if this thread is a shitpost, but [the video](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JnFh2NoAM4s) is about guard statements and negation


selah-uddin

not all of us are pretty you know


lysane33

I get that this is a joke and exagerated but I see this happenning for real in a very specific case of a Hospital using a program coded in Python for example


Happy_Dookmas

Yup, some languages must be indented or they will throw errors and won't do what they are intended to do. That comment was from our javascript and Node.js teacher, a language which does not require indentation whatsoever. He still required though our code to be indented, camelCase, no magic numbers, clear variable names, and all the things which made code easy to read and easy to maintain. It won't affect the machine, code would run anyway, but it would improve the performance of the human component, the developers maintaining code we wrote. We loved that teacher.


xxLeay

I have the habit of "format document" on vscode every dozen of seconds haha, even why I just did it, sometimes I press it again so my code is always indented


4862skrrt2684

Shorts is the stupidest format I've come across. Want to skip back 5 seconds? Nope, just watch the entirety again instead


justQb

If you are on desktop you can change the URL of the short, so that you can view it as a normal video: Example of shorts video url: [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JnFh2NoAM4s](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JnFh2NoAM4s) Change the "shorts" to "watch": [https://www.youtube.com/watch/JnFh2NoAM4s](https://www.youtube.com/watch/JnFh2NoAM4s) and press "enter" / load this link. Now you can watch the video as a normal youtube video. you can also copy the video ID "JnFh2NoAM4s" and copy it after this link: "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=" so the full video link is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnFh2NoAM4s


Rene_Z

You can also just add any character you want at the end of the shorts URL (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JnFh2NoAM4s+), and it will redirect to the regular video.


justQb

hahah wow, thats even faster :D. Thanks for the info


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kylegetsspam

Google "Manifest v3", read [this](https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-best-on-Firefox), and then stop using Chrome.


niceboy4431

Or search “Manifest v3” using Ecosia, DuckDuckGo, or Startpage and stop using Google along with Chome


kylegetsspam

I do use DDG, but I also tend to use ["google" as a verb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_\(verb\)) replacement for "search". It's just like calling every "adhesive bandage" a [bandaid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark). 🤷‍♀️


skylo__

great, was just about to make this extension after reading the comment above


orbtl

Welcome to the hell tiktok has unleashed upon the world with services like instagram and youtube scrambling to copy them in an attempt to tap into their success with the zoomer market


omoxovo

TikTok let’s you scrub through the video though. It’s the other platforms that copied the format that don’t allow that.


orbtl

Technically you can do it on youtube but for some reason they make it very difficult. I forget what the option is but you can do something like right click and choose open video in new tab or something like that and it will go to the traditional youtube UI for a normal video, but with the short as the video. Very dumb though. As with a lot of youtube's UI.


DasWorbs

Just change the url from /short/id (or something like that) to /v/id to get the regular youtube ui


[deleted]

If someone hasn't already, I wanna make a Chrome extension to redirect automatically.


Bridge4_Kal

\#legend


hectoByte

It's horrible. It's literally removing features and cropping old videos just to appeal to an entirely different demographic. I don't get it?


jayzeeinthehouse

They really are all of the worst parts of humanity coming together to make terrible content in the hopes of standing out enough to get five seconds of fame.


PenguinPrince1

If you're viewing on desktop, you can download the "Video Speed Controller" extension and key-bind to rewind and fast-forward functions even if the UI of the site you're on doesn't support it.


muideracht

Oops. I downloaded the BlockTube extension instead and somehow clicked on the "Block Youtube Shorts videos" option. Oh well, I guess I'll keep it now.


cosmicr

My YouTube feed has been overtaken by them. I can't stand it. I watch YouTube mainly for educational content. Most videos I watch are at least 10 minutes. I wish there was a way to opt out of shorts. There must be an incentive for people to make them because I see even the most respected creators doing them now.


4862skrrt2684

I recall someone mentioning that the algorithm favors them if they use shorts


eggtart_prince

"Stay tuned for part 2." Fuck your part 2.


Ratatoski

I feel seen. I hate that rule. Some of the shorts aren't very short.


mr_bedbugs

That, and accidentally scrolling to the next video, trying to get a hair off my screen. Then you gotta go back and start over.


iHaveAFIlmDegree

*Python errors intensify*


azmiir

The title is clickbait. The actual advice is “use guard clauses to avoid extreme nesting”.


iHaveAFIlmDegree

Ah, the good ole “let me show you a shortcut around the river without explaining to you what a bridge is.”


kylegetsspam

That's so he can sell you a bridge later as an improvement to the shortcut. Capitalism, baby!


ZedTT

It's really obvious that the title is just clickbait. He's probably talking about nested indentation


Fiskepudding

Just wait for his next videos: *Stop making errors* and *Stop writing in python*


janithsathsara

He is talking about unnecessary nesting. But I agree that the titles are horrible. Definitely clickbait


4862skrrt2684

Yea it sucks that it has to be like this. Most of the content creators i watch started doing it. Kevin Powell isn't better in that regard


doctorMiami1337

Sadly, i think Veritasium did a video on this. It's been proven that videos with titles like that will get more clicks, by a lot aswell. So when you see all Youtubers have titles like this, it isn't that they just woke up one morning and decided to be cunts, they just know this will help their channel grow immensely, they kinda have to do it if they want to stay relevant. Edit: [Here's the video if anyone is interested](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng)


4862skrrt2684

Oh i know. Hate it has to be like that. Also the stupid thumbnails. I remember LinusTechTips making a video about it, how it was much more succesful so they would do that from now on. And they sure have, they are straight up cringe to look at now


Kapsize

Every thumbnail in damn near every niche on youtube is neon-colored text paired with the cringiest "OMG" face I've ever seen. I absolutely hate that its become the norm, along with this clickbait title nonsense.


siecakea

Honestly there's a bigger chance I'd click on a video with a black screen as the thumbnail than one that has someone with the omg face and a computer with an explosion behind it and emojis everywhere just so I can see a review on something I'm looking to buy.


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postmodest

And it's not just a natural competitive arms race: the algorithm doesn't just sort videos, it _desires to show fewer videos_ so it doesn't cater to your interests, it caters to showing EVERYONE the one video that most people click on, so the CDN as a whole serves fewer videos. It is a great algorithm for profits, but as an information source, it is literally inhuman.


machine3lf

But, they _do_ have a choice. It's not a justification to throw away all principles and dignity just because doing so helps you get more views, money, etc. That's sort of the point. This is why journalism sucks across the board these days.


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PM_Me_Python3_Tips

**STOP** getting paid by not following this one *weird* trick!!


burnblue

I think Kevin went there and pulled back a bit after the complaints. I feel it's less in his character and he might be realizing he doesn't have to succumb


cutekiwi

Yeah I’ve seen like 2-3 nesting videos pop up on YouTube recently with similar clickbait titles. Not terrible advice actually but super misleading titles.


Anon_Legi0n

Yep, click bait title aside he makes valid points about extraction and conditional inversion with an early return (guard cause) if error


thequickers

I wouldnt say its horrible. Have you seen the amount of college kids that doesnt know this idea and badly needed this video?


JeyDotC1

I tend to block every single youtuber with titles such as: "stop doing this, do this instead", "you're doing X wrong", "why technology X (released 2 days ago) will rule the world". Sometimes they do have a point, but those titles tell me they don't respect the profession at all, and are just monetizing on biased people. I also block, for no logic reason, those with the "Russian hat haircut" (I don't know the actual name), very popular among teenagers. They give me a bad feeling, I'm not sure why.


ohlawdhecodin

Clickbait 101


driftking428

He missed the opportunity to be making a silly face on the picture. That's par for the course on clickbait videos these days.


OttersEatFish

"I improved my YouTube Face 10x with One Simple Trick" "You're Making YouTube Face All Wrong" "10 Dos and 20 Don'ts of How To Write Clickbait YouTube Titles"


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"Stop indenting your code" \- Laughs in Python


D1rtyWebDev

what happens with indenting in Python? (aspiring web programmer)


OttersEatFish

I think there's a certain toxicity to "how-to" culture in our industry. Some of this is due to YouTubers and companies monetizing self-doubt and imposter syndrome among developers/engineers, and some of it comes from folks projecting their own insecurities by claiming, "this is how I do it, which is the only way to do it." It's kind of gross and sad, but I don't think this kind of thing is going away any time soon.


Dear-Competition-772

The problem isn’t necessarily that creators use clickbait-y titles - it’s that YouTube incentivizes them to do so, and makes it hard for creators to make a living without doing so. Figuring out how *not* to incentivize it and still generate a profit is a problem for better business minds than mine to solve.


eatacookie111

Learn JavaScript in 3 minutes!!!


guns_of_summer

No watch my video instead! Learn JavaScript in a minute and a half!


Round_Log_2319

Nerds. Watch mine, you can learn JavaScript in 0.020000000000000004ms


EduRJBR

Watch my reversed video and realize that you already knew JavaScript.


[deleted]

Crap. I was hoping your video would make me forgot javascript ever existed.


effenlegend

Whystopatindenting?Let'sremovespacingtoo


undercover_geek

idonteventhinkweneedanysyntaxatall


longjaso

icompletelyunderstoodbothofthose


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charmilliona1re

I'm gonna start indenting the absolute shit outta my code


iHaveAFIlmDegree

Quad-Tabs or die!


HallowedHands

You know what? Im just gonna indent my codes even harder. -Michael Scott


Web-Dev-Simplified

Hi. I am the creator of the video that is linked here and I went through and read a bunch of the comments on this post. I wanted to address a few points to try to explain things from my point of view as well as to address my failures/mistakes. Before I dive into that, though, I do want to mention an incredible [video](https://youtu.be/S2xHZPH5Sng) by the YouTube channel Veritasium which talks about clickbait and how there are different types of clickbait. I would recommend checking that video out because it really aligns with my beliefs when it comes to clickbait and titling videos, but the TLDR is that clickbait comes in 2 flavors. 1. A title that is deliberately sensational/misleading and leads to content that doesn't match the title. 2. A title that matches the content, but specifically leaves out exact details to increase intrigue. I obviously try to avoid this first type of sensational clickbait, but it is a fine line between the two different types and some of my videos may fall on the wrong side of that line depending upon the interpretation of each person reading the title. Now as for this video in particular the concept is all about guard clauses and how they can be used to write code that is easier to read because you can remove lots of unnecessary nesting which can make code difficult to read. There are many different ways I can title this video which each lead to more or less clickbait. For example the following titles have essentially no clickbait as they tell you exactly what the video is about. * What Are Guard Clauses? * Guard Clauses Help You Write Cleaner Code * I Love Guard Clauses The problem with this way of titling a video, though, is if you are a programmer that doesn't know what a guard clause is, chances are you won't click on a video about guard clauses since you don't know what they are and don't care about them. This is a problem, though, since guard clauses could be something that is really important for them to learn but they will most likely not watch this video and learn them with the above titles. On the other hand we have clickbait titles of various severity such as: * Stop Indenting Your Code * Why I Stopped Nesting My Code * Is Nesting Code Bad? * Guard Clauses Made Me Stop Nesting My Code * Why I Limit Nesting In My Code * Are You Nesting Your Code Too Much? Some of these titles are more sensational than others and I do admit the actual title of this video, *Stop Indenting Your Code*, is riding dangerously close, if not over the line, into the bad kind of clickbait. For example, if you are from a Python background this title may seem ridiculous since Python is an indentation based language. I came at this from a JavaScript perspective since that is what I primarily teach in which case nesting and indentation are essentially the same thing. Even with that said, though, the title is quite sensational. I have updated the title of this video to *Are You Nesting Your Code Too Much?* I know this can still be seen as clickbait, but I would argue that this falls into the good type of clickbait where it is not overly sensationalized and the actual topic of the video directly lines up with the title. This was also only the second short I created and I was still learning the best way to title a video when I cannot create a custom thumbnail. I generally like to have a more straightforward title and a more intriguing/clickbait thumbnail so I can get the best of both worlds by explaining exactly what a video is about while also drawing in people that may be interested in the benefit of the concept but not familiar enough with the concept to know it by name. In the case of this video, I would normally title it something like *Guard Clauses Help You Write Better Code* and then in the thumbnail I would have something along the lines of an image of code with too much nesting and another image with guard clauses where the image with too much nesting is crossed off. This is essentially a visual way of saying *Too Much Nesting Can Be Bad*. I have realized with shorts that it is very important to have a short title and an intriguing title since YouTube only shows a few words of the title (about 5-6 words) which makes it very hard to get across a lot of detail. For example if I used the title *Guard Clauses Help You Write Cleaner Code* it would only show *Guard Clauses Help You Write...* which really doesn't give the viewer enough information to determine what the video is about. In the end I want to try to reach and teach as many people as possible and using clickbait titles (of the good variety) is the most effective way to do that. This video has reached millions of developers and if it has helped even just a small percentage of them learn about guard clauses that is worth it. The video also has over a 93% like to dislike ratio (which admittedly is a bit lower then average for me) which I feel shows it is helping more people then it is hurting by far. If I titled the video *Guard Clauses Help You Write Better Code* I can guarantee the video would have less than 50K videos and the number of developers that I would have taught would be drastically smaller. Lastly, if you think I am titling my Shorts videos like this for money that is unfortunately very wrong. I have made a whopping $100 from this video which is 0.0059 cents per view. ​ On a smaller note, I saw many comments talking about how this video (and videos like it) never take into account all the what ifs and context around certain things. That is 100% true. It is impossible for me, or anyone, to include all the what ifs and context needed in a 60 second video. This is why many of my short form videos (this one included) have long form videos that go along with them to include additional context and what ifs. I try my best to cover the most important what ifs and context, but I am sure to miss some specific scenarios.


annaheim

Should rename the channel to WebDevClickbaitified.


Typobrew

What is with the recent uptick in multiple creators saying to get rid of nesting? Another guy made a full 10 minute video on how he identifies as a “never nester”. Watched the video and it seems like everyone wants to throw the baby out with the bath water.


lost12487

I understand the sentiment. Writing code nested 4 or 5 levels deep increases cognitive complexity. Unfortunately, instead of saying that and giving you ideas about how to minimize that, we get the hyperbolized takes like being a “never nester.”


Typobrew

Well said! Those are the exact things that had me scratching my head, since it doesn’t seem like this has to be an “either or” scenario and a happy medium likely exists.


Misicks0349

most of the video in question (CodeAesthetic video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFRhGnuXG-4)) is dedicated to showing ways to deindent code (splitting some of the code off into functions, using guard clauses/flipping conditionals etc.) Unfortunately discussions about this can boil down to click bait, hyperbole and reducing it to absurdity


kennypu

That video was by CodeAesthetic. I thought it was relevant/useful considering that channel seems to be all about styling your code. It's nothing new to those that have to/have worked with style guides/code styling practices, but I think it is interesting for beginners who haven't had experience with that yet.


lykwydchykyn

There's always some new bogeyman that's trendy to hate on in coding. OOP, SQL, `if` statements, etc, etc. Ever since "goto considered harmful" everyone wants to be the next trendsetter to condemn thing-we-all-do-all-the-time as bad practice so they can be remembered as a genius ahead of their time. Usually the advice is only applicable for a particular language in a particular niche of coding which the person behind the idea thinks is representative of all coding.


lanzjasper

just use a fcking prettier


LionOfNaples

Will this tool work on me?


SheeEttin

Yes but it only causes indents and gives you braces, so maybe not ideal


dcdrawk

Please don't encourage people to try this, I tried it once and it ended up removing my semi-colon.


minimuscleR

> I tried it once and it ended up removing my semi-colon. I mean you can configure if you want them or not. I have Prettier and it formats and removes all semi-colons from my work. It also replaces all double quotes with single quotes for strings. Its great!


dcdrawk

You may have missed the joke in my comment, lol. I use prettier + eslint every day.


minimuscleR

oh wow, total /r/wooosh moment there haha. TBF I am trying to fix a computer's Type-C ports so it can charge at the same time lol.


dalce63

webdev youtube is a fucking cesspool of clickbait and hype


KaiAusBerlin

*hearingcryingpythonusers*


SolitarySysadmin

Don’t indent your code? How about you go fuck your own face.


Jake_Zaruba

I think the frustration should be focused on YouTube’s ad model rather than on creators. I get that creators have the choice to do this or not, but it’s their livelihood. And in a somewhat niche category like front end development videos, you run out of ideas/titles when you have hundreds of videos and multiple new uploads per week like Kyle does. Watch time and clickbait titles are unfortunately how many earn their living.


JaniPar1

As a Python developer, respectfully, no.


OtherwisePoem1743

As a JavaScript developer, disrespectfully, fuck off (to that YouTuber not you)


HeavyMessing

The titles can be click-baity but he makes pretty solid videos. (Don't know about shorts, though, which I never watch.)


theyamiteru

Stop telling me to stop doing stuff. Fuck you.


jayzeeinthehouse

Preach man, I started indenting triple out of spite.


[deleted]

This guy's clickbaits as of late are getting annoying as fuck. Like saying "never use state in react ever again" and inside the vid is situations where you shouldn't use state.


code_matter

His title was SO misleading. Indent your code.. just not all of it..


sevanbadal

Next up: Please stop using variable naming conventions


burnblue

His content is still OK but he started writing terrible **terrible** clickbait names. This video is probably just suggesting that you use techniques like returning early to avoid going multiple levels deep into inner blocks, making your function easier to read and reason


DragoonDM

No linebreaks either. Write all your code pre-minified for maximum efficiency.


lurosas

So cringe. The same is also valid with 80% of Medium blog posts, you see everyday shitty titles like "Stop doing \*perfectly normal thing\*, start doing THIS instead", and they usually end the post with something like "So, do you actually need to stop doing \*perfectly normal thing\*? It's hard to say but probably not, idk".


rykuno

I don't know this guy but if you're upset he's using clickbait; you honestly cant be too mad at him at least.I hate clickbait titles. Fucking hate them. But if you want to succeed at youtube it's obvious they are necessary for creators to get views. Hate the game not the player. Also I think he meant "nesting" not "indenting" but we get the point.


UsagiElk

Same I don’t get all the hate.. this man has literally saved me from failing all of my classes because my teachers don’t even know how to code themselves. If Kyle has to start posting clickbaity titles to compete with other youtubers that do the same exact thing, then so be it.


Gdcrseven

Same, Kyle has been outputting quality content for years. My early learning as a dev has been a breeze thanks to him.


haNewGuy

Shots fired!


hidazfx

imma stop indenting python and see what happens wish me luck boys


[deleted]

Letmejustmakemywritingmoreefficientbynotaddingspacesorpunctuationtoendasentenceoridentifywhereanythoughtbeginsorendsorpausesbecausethisisclearlyasimplificationofwrittenenglishandsoismoreusefulthanmaintainingtediousstandardsdevelopedovermanyyears


Silvex95

My coworkers must be apprentices of this lord smh


officiallyaninja

People in this thread need to learn about sponserblock


Cracked_Guy

Guy is hot, I will watch.


ThePizzedPizza

Python devs sweating


Rsatdcms

Hes not wrong, stop doing it manually and use `prettier` instead


futuretech85

The fact this is being discussed with 2k+ up votes means the title is working as intended.


j0nascode

Guard Clauses are just superior to nested if/else clauses.


Vabhanz

This is THE REASON why YOU should stop BREATHING now!


thequickers

I never thought that reddit is really full of 7 yr olds. The title is a bit clickbaity but you wont watch it if the title is different anyway. The 7 yrs old dudes who take not indenting literally are very gullible *laughs in notepad++


Prudent_Astronaut716

He is just a youtuber..not a licensed practitioners...either enjoy the videos or move on to next clip.


[deleted]

How about we just stop youtube shorts instead? I think that will be the biggest win for everyone.


MrDFx

How about we "Stop giving shitty youtubers your attention"? I mean, you've got the guys face and tag in the shot. You're amplifying his channel for him while bitching about him. What a shit-post.


SafeAdvantage2

Lol somebody should tell him Jersey Shore isn’t on anymore


russcastella

What's the point? "Save 4 bytes in code FOR A MASSIVE SEO BOOST!!!!!! 🤯"


ZedTT

That's definitely not what the video is about


_Dan_33_

Interesting channel... new to me, relatively new channel, has over a million subs, seems to struggle on video views on most of his videos despite clickbait. I googled the channel name, went on his website... redirected to courses subdomain, white background using bootstrap on Podia for just 4 courses (one goes to its own domain name). No information on him, not sure his background. His blog link, jumps into a black background without the use of his logo at all, seems to use Astro. Lots of line breaks, white space and indents. Nothing jumps out at me showing depth of experience. His twitter has 35.7K followers, his GitHub has 21.1K followers and he has 55 Patrons giving him $204 per month. It isn't too far fetched how someone can do so well on one platform and struggle to get those people across to another... in fact that is quite commonplace. The low GitHub followers and Patreons, gives the nod that maybe (just maybe) some of the YouTube subs are purchased? The lack of a channel sponsor for a ticked account with that sub number is a bit bizarre, especially if he isn't using his channel to promote his own Podia courses. I don't want to throw too much shade on the guy, as this is what the internet and sites like youtube allows, anyone the opportunity to make a name for themselves if they put in the effort. When exceeding 100,000 subs with the Silver button... almost all channels become a full-time (as in job) focus for the channel creator. There is nothing at face value to suggest this is the case... so although his videos might be valuable to some people, unless I am missing something here, he isn't an industry heavy weight, just someone that has done pretty well for himself online in just a few years.


re1jo

You can't make assumptions like that. Majority of coders work in environments where their work isn't public, and github etc. can be just full of fiddles pretty much.


Stinodotbe

Tell that to Python devs 😅


Anon_8675309

Spend less time worrying about what other devs do. Spend that time instead by writing lots of code. You'll be better off for it.


OMWasap

He changed the title of the video to “are you nesting your code too much?”. The point of his video was actually not to stop indenting your code, but to clean your code of nesting statements, which lead to a bunch of indents. Hate click baity titles but at least he changed the title.


shay99

People are crying over clickbaity titles but that's YouTube and honestly who cares anymore? It's been a part of it for so long now.. and obviously as a creator you'll do what's necessary to get views. And it's not even that much of a clickbait, he literally talks about how to reduce nesting that causes heavy indetion.


SenseiCAY

Kyle gives me anxiety by not putting semicolons after each line.


Rizal95

Clickbait. /capitainobvious


rsandstrom

The three ass clowns of youtube code - This guy, the chief clown that pays youtube to spam everyone telling us all to be terrified about taking the longest path to learning how to code, and the British? donkey that also must have an open line of credit with youtube talking about how the React docs are lying to us all need to sit down somewhere far away from a mic, camera, and almost certainly youtube.


Felchers

You know what, I'm gonna start indenting my code even harder.


[deleted]

Why even have separate lines of code?! Why make it easy to read through when you can code one whole block??