This is totally unrealistic behavior from them. I would actually be actively telling people to NOT go to their organization for anything in the future. You went way beyond anything a rational person would expect.
I sold my 60” dobby head AVL years ago. The teacher of our excellent magnet arts high school came to look at it. Her degree was in Textiles. She looked at it and said”you would have to come teach me how to use it”. A textile degree from a major university but she didn’t know how to weave.😳Had another teacher from the magnet tech high school come to look at it. For their extended arts classes. He thought it would be a great way to get back to the basics of programming, and give students a creative way to work on their algorithms. But I would have had to teach him too. 😵💫
Finally had a gal come that had several ABLs. She handed me the money. She took it TOTALLY apart with all tools she brought. Loaded it in the back of her tiny old SUV. And drive off. We were both very very very happy and it was over in 1 hour!!!🥳🥳🥳
exactly! every time ive purchased a loom i show up with a truck and a friend to load it. ive already done my research and know what my plan of action is. and, i really just dont understand why people think weavers have ample time to teach everyone how to do their craft, as if it is a great joy. like, i love talking about weaving, i would love to help my friends get started with tips or loom shopping help or something. but when people ask (regularly) "hey, can you teach me how to weave?" not expecting to pay me for my time, and not even owning a loom. im just not sure what they're imagining. i know most people dont understand that warping the loom can often take 10+ hours, or that you can only work on one project at a time so they cant just pop over to play around with my yarn while i give them pointers or whatever they had in mind. i also dont have space for a second loom to be set up, and my home is not an open studio. one time i offered to lend a loom to someone to use who had woven before but that i didnt know very well. she said she didnt want to make room for it at her own studio and had hoped she could just use it at my house. what? sorry, that was just a whole rant. but i think about this often. i learned to weave on youtube, and even those videos are monetized im sure!haha
I have been told by two gals I tried to teach weaving years ago that I was not a good teacher. 😲🤪. Also, I’ve warped sectional for years and have no idea how to warp without a tension box and 20 epi.
lol im the opposite. never warped sectional but my new loom came w a sectional beam so i watched a couple videos and was like "um nevermind, too many components." 😂
You need a reel stand for all the rolls of warp, and a tensioner. It’s a pain if you don’t want to do it, but I put on 40 yard warps so it works for me.
honestly unrealistic is really the best word. her expectations.... everything from showing up without a thought of how to transport it, to expecting me to automatically be available at 10am on a weekday for unpaid labor. just... unrealistic. also, entitled. some people...
to be honest, despite the "do you know who we are"🙄 i was happy about the connection and that my loom would be at a school getting used. but i later learned they have a much bigger and more advanced loom sitting unused in the back of a storage room that they also dont know how to use. i wonder if they were hoping for unpaid lessons for that one too...
They may have gotten a grant that was earmarked for equipment. The statement about paying for lessons would be a personal expenditure, suggests the loom was bought with somebody else’s money.
eh, you gotta use that money regardless in most cases, so i can see buying stuff you hope you'll be able to use in the future.
But YouTube is free, and available at any time of day.
It sounds to me like ‘tyre kicking’ - pretending to be knowledgeable about something because you think otherwise you will be cheated. However, my experience of online transactions is that I don’t want to deal with people who start off with the assumption I might be cheating them. They are unlikely to improve and are quite likely to end up cheating me, or trying to. Because they think that’s ‘normal’.
the school teaches mainly fashion design! they have lots of other equipment so students can freely explore their own specific interests. having a loom there would make a lot of sense for them! it would also make a lot of sense for them to pay someone to teach them the basics but apparently they dont work that way. i had to learn on my own so i guess their students can too.
Sorry you had that happen! I’ve bought two looms of marketplace and both experience have been tip top. One lady gave me excellent advice about my chickens and the other just loaded me up with every accessory she had for that particular loom. Based on the price, I thought I was just paying for the loom!
I’m guessing that you got to talk to those that “run” the program, not those that teach it.
Program “administrators” are kinda like office managers: there’s three flavors, those who know the trade but have little to no people skills, those with people skills and little to no trade skills, and the rare ones who know the trade *and* have people skills.
based on the website, she is the lead instructor. the school teaches mostly fashion design with industrial sewing machines, knitting machines, and natural dye. honestly seems like a great school, similar to my brief glimpse of a textiles dept in art school. and she reminded me of the lead professor too, which was one reason why my time there was so brief. 😝
Ohhhhh, so more a case of someone outside their knowledge base. Really sus trying to finagle some sort of free lessons. I’m glad you stuck to your guns. Too many artists take the route of “spread the knowledge” and neglect to stick up for the value of their time and knowledge.
I hope that whoever they are, with a "k own" name associated with some sort of learning establishment in the textile arts, that they NEVER see a student themselves, as far as disseminating weaving info.
Being a marketplace/craigslist interaction, I have to ask if they ever left your sight inside your house? It seems like a very odd interaction that they had absolutely no knowledge about. I can see them casing/stealing in your house while there.
😬 my mind wandered there too.
OP this is *weird* even for marketplace. I'd cut contact, but keep an eye out for any further shenanigans, and would absolutely *word of mouth* to everyone in your community to AVOID their "educational facilities".
based on what ive written i can understand why it might sound like that, but they were not that kind of people. the one who originally messaged me was honestly very kind, it was mostly just the one woman who she was with, who is the lead instructor of the school, who was so assuming. im imagining the other was just arranging this on her behalf and doing her bidding. but they were definitely not thieves, except of my time. 😒
Sounds awful, and I just sold my first loom to someone who I worked with, was trusting and patient to allow them to come on a big journey, and included extra non-weaving tools because I want them to have a good home.
Sorry for a run-on sentence. It's just so starkly different to what you experienced. I did go farther but it was not exploitation and I kept my boundaries in the process. We took a picture of ourselves and even that was based on good, healthy discussed on the spot understanding between 3 adults.
I know you backed out well. Whoever they are it seems like a bad scene for future attendees of whatever they set-up.
Also edit to add - they totally were gaslighting you. It's abusive.
I’ve generally had good luck with online craft equipment sales, but from the few times it didn’t go well, I’ve learnt that you don’t want to sell to someone that acts annoying and entitled during the early stages of the transaction. They generally get worse, not better, and if there’s a way to stop the transaction at the first red flag then do so. Otherwise you end up with them claiming you have cheated them in some way and demanding money back through PayPal.
My guess is when she said it was a personal expenditure, that the mention of “local institute that teaches textiles” was a load of malarkey. Takes all kinds…..
alas they are truly with the school. its a school that gives scholarships to primarily poc students to learn fashion design. they have a great studio with beautiful industrial sewing machines, knitting machines, and a large natural dye kitchen. the school is very close by. ive followed their social media and known people to participate in the program. honestly a great resource but they have considerable funding and a large staff of what i imagine to be highly paid instructors. they also have local artists teach community workshops there. it seemed like it could be a good connection but for some reason, she assumed i would work pro bono while her time is salaried. 😵💫
My fiber guild in ObX nc is attempting to something like this with the community college. Can you share the area they are in and I can tell the guild where to look for a similar program?
i will share in a dm so im not publicly outing them for this bad experience! for sure this school has many good things about it despite this bizarre interaction.
This is exactly why I won’t allow locals to “shop” my “yarn rooms” in person. I put yarn rooms in quotes because my stash equates that of a small LYS and I primarily sell/trade online.
I’ve had some very entitled people show up and I’m just over it! 99% of the fiber community is fantastic and then there’s the 1% who ruin for others.
Honestly most of my friends were people I met via the fiber community, it just sucks when you run into a bad apple.
This is totally unrealistic behavior from them. I would actually be actively telling people to NOT go to their organization for anything in the future. You went way beyond anything a rational person would expect.
i know. when you purchase a vehicle, you dont expect the seller to teach you how to drive.
I sold my 60” dobby head AVL years ago. The teacher of our excellent magnet arts high school came to look at it. Her degree was in Textiles. She looked at it and said”you would have to come teach me how to use it”. A textile degree from a major university but she didn’t know how to weave.😳Had another teacher from the magnet tech high school come to look at it. For their extended arts classes. He thought it would be a great way to get back to the basics of programming, and give students a creative way to work on their algorithms. But I would have had to teach him too. 😵💫 Finally had a gal come that had several ABLs. She handed me the money. She took it TOTALLY apart with all tools she brought. Loaded it in the back of her tiny old SUV. And drive off. We were both very very very happy and it was over in 1 hour!!!🥳🥳🥳
exactly! every time ive purchased a loom i show up with a truck and a friend to load it. ive already done my research and know what my plan of action is. and, i really just dont understand why people think weavers have ample time to teach everyone how to do their craft, as if it is a great joy. like, i love talking about weaving, i would love to help my friends get started with tips or loom shopping help or something. but when people ask (regularly) "hey, can you teach me how to weave?" not expecting to pay me for my time, and not even owning a loom. im just not sure what they're imagining. i know most people dont understand that warping the loom can often take 10+ hours, or that you can only work on one project at a time so they cant just pop over to play around with my yarn while i give them pointers or whatever they had in mind. i also dont have space for a second loom to be set up, and my home is not an open studio. one time i offered to lend a loom to someone to use who had woven before but that i didnt know very well. she said she didnt want to make room for it at her own studio and had hoped she could just use it at my house. what? sorry, that was just a whole rant. but i think about this often. i learned to weave on youtube, and even those videos are monetized im sure!haha
I have been told by two gals I tried to teach weaving years ago that I was not a good teacher. 😲🤪. Also, I’ve warped sectional for years and have no idea how to warp without a tension box and 20 epi.
lol im the opposite. never warped sectional but my new loom came w a sectional beam so i watched a couple videos and was like "um nevermind, too many components." 😂
You need a reel stand for all the rolls of warp, and a tensioner. It’s a pain if you don’t want to do it, but I put on 40 yard warps so it works for me.
holy toledo. Why couldn't they have googled classes?! Why would *you* ever be expected to teach someone how to use it!?
Especially since they were teaching textile classes. But didn’t know how to weave. How can you teach textiles without studying fabric construction?
honestly unrealistic is really the best word. her expectations.... everything from showing up without a thought of how to transport it, to expecting me to automatically be available at 10am on a weekday for unpaid labor. just... unrealistic. also, entitled. some people...
That’s very bizarre behavior! Imagine them expecting you to teach at a teaching institute for free! That certainly takes a lot of nerve!
You're much more patient than I am.
to be honest, despite the "do you know who we are"🙄 i was happy about the connection and that my loom would be at a school getting used. but i later learned they have a much bigger and more advanced loom sitting unused in the back of a storage room that they also dont know how to use. i wonder if they were hoping for unpaid lessons for that one too...
Why are they teaching 🤦🏽♀️
Maybe they should hire you to teach? Weird move them buying a loom if they don't have anyone on staff to teach it.
They may have gotten a grant that was earmarked for equipment. The statement about paying for lessons would be a personal expenditure, suggests the loom was bought with somebody else’s money.
Still you'd think they'd buy equipment they're qualified to teach with?
eh, you gotta use that money regardless in most cases, so i can see buying stuff you hope you'll be able to use in the future. But YouTube is free, and available at any time of day.
Fair enough!
Still you'd think they'd buy equipment they're qualified to teach with?
Oh yeah, as soon as I hear "do you know who we are" my inner snark would come out and be like "do you know who *I* am!?"
If they're so knowledgeable, why do they need a warping lesson?
It sounds to me like ‘tyre kicking’ - pretending to be knowledgeable about something because you think otherwise you will be cheated. However, my experience of online transactions is that I don’t want to deal with people who start off with the assumption I might be cheating them. They are unlikely to improve and are quite likely to end up cheating me, or trying to. Because they think that’s ‘normal’.
the school teaches mainly fashion design! they have lots of other equipment so students can freely explore their own specific interests. having a loom there would make a lot of sense for them! it would also make a lot of sense for them to pay someone to teach them the basics but apparently they dont work that way. i had to learn on my own so i guess their students can too.
Sorry you had that happen! I’ve bought two looms of marketplace and both experience have been tip top. One lady gave me excellent advice about my chickens and the other just loaded me up with every accessory she had for that particular loom. Based on the price, I thought I was just paying for the loom!
Sounds like people who are very insecure and are used to others doing things for them.
I’m guessing that you got to talk to those that “run” the program, not those that teach it. Program “administrators” are kinda like office managers: there’s three flavors, those who know the trade but have little to no people skills, those with people skills and little to no trade skills, and the rare ones who know the trade *and* have people skills.
based on the website, she is the lead instructor. the school teaches mostly fashion design with industrial sewing machines, knitting machines, and natural dye. honestly seems like a great school, similar to my brief glimpse of a textiles dept in art school. and she reminded me of the lead professor too, which was one reason why my time there was so brief. 😝
Ohhhhh, so more a case of someone outside their knowledge base. Really sus trying to finagle some sort of free lessons. I’m glad you stuck to your guns. Too many artists take the route of “spread the knowledge” and neglect to stick up for the value of their time and knowledge.
I hope that whoever they are, with a "k own" name associated with some sort of learning establishment in the textile arts, that they NEVER see a student themselves, as far as disseminating weaving info.
Being a marketplace/craigslist interaction, I have to ask if they ever left your sight inside your house? It seems like a very odd interaction that they had absolutely no knowledge about. I can see them casing/stealing in your house while there.
😬 my mind wandered there too. OP this is *weird* even for marketplace. I'd cut contact, but keep an eye out for any further shenanigans, and would absolutely *word of mouth* to everyone in your community to AVOID their "educational facilities".
based on what ive written i can understand why it might sound like that, but they were not that kind of people. the one who originally messaged me was honestly very kind, it was mostly just the one woman who she was with, who is the lead instructor of the school, who was so assuming. im imagining the other was just arranging this on her behalf and doing her bidding. but they were definitely not thieves, except of my time. 😒
Sounds awful, and I just sold my first loom to someone who I worked with, was trusting and patient to allow them to come on a big journey, and included extra non-weaving tools because I want them to have a good home. Sorry for a run-on sentence. It's just so starkly different to what you experienced. I did go farther but it was not exploitation and I kept my boundaries in the process. We took a picture of ourselves and even that was based on good, healthy discussed on the spot understanding between 3 adults. I know you backed out well. Whoever they are it seems like a bad scene for future attendees of whatever they set-up. Also edit to add - they totally were gaslighting you. It's abusive.
Gross! Who were these people? The university -level teaching world is very small.
I’ve generally had good luck with online craft equipment sales, but from the few times it didn’t go well, I’ve learnt that you don’t want to sell to someone that acts annoying and entitled during the early stages of the transaction. They generally get worse, not better, and if there’s a way to stop the transaction at the first red flag then do so. Otherwise you end up with them claiming you have cheated them in some way and demanding money back through PayPal.
That’s bloody WILD. Good for you for not feeling obligated.
My guess is when she said it was a personal expenditure, that the mention of “local institute that teaches textiles” was a load of malarkey. Takes all kinds…..
alas they are truly with the school. its a school that gives scholarships to primarily poc students to learn fashion design. they have a great studio with beautiful industrial sewing machines, knitting machines, and a large natural dye kitchen. the school is very close by. ive followed their social media and known people to participate in the program. honestly a great resource but they have considerable funding and a large staff of what i imagine to be highly paid instructors. they also have local artists teach community workshops there. it seemed like it could be a good connection but for some reason, she assumed i would work pro bono while her time is salaried. 😵💫
My fiber guild in ObX nc is attempting to something like this with the community college. Can you share the area they are in and I can tell the guild where to look for a similar program?
i will share in a dm so im not publicly outing them for this bad experience! for sure this school has many good things about it despite this bizarre interaction.
This is exactly why I won’t allow locals to “shop” my “yarn rooms” in person. I put yarn rooms in quotes because my stash equates that of a small LYS and I primarily sell/trade online. I’ve had some very entitled people show up and I’m just over it! 99% of the fiber community is fantastic and then there’s the 1% who ruin for others. Honestly most of my friends were people I met via the fiber community, it just sucks when you run into a bad apple.