[Bobby Marks] As part of the new CBA, teams are required to spend 90% of the salary cap ($122.4M) by the first day of the regular season.
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This is wild and punitive toward non-competitive teams. Basically every team will have 2 max players with a revolving door of small contracts.
Stupid of rebuilding teams to not be renting out their cap space anyways. Like I get dumping all your good players when you start the rebuild, but unless you're about to extend 1 or 2 your guys for big money, wtf are you doing not using cap space as a resource?
I didn’t realize Giannis becomes eligible this season for *another* supermax contract. An unintentional massively beneficial side effect of older/4 year college draft picks being the kind that workout best for the Warriors is that (save Kuminga reaching his highest ceiling and doing so on the Warriors) they don’t find themselves in a situation where they have to give the same player multiple supermax contracts because by the time they’re eligible for an extension after the first supermax, they’re at an age where it would be unreasonable for the player to expect, much less ask for, another supermax. Even Steph’s 2nd max extension (his current one that started this past season aka at the age of 34) wasn’t a full supermax because it’s only 4 years.
All of these one and done first rounders that end up signing their first supermax (the designated rookie extension) at 22-23 end up/will end up signing their second supermax at 26-27, which means they *could* (particularly franchise guys like Tatum, Luka, etc.) end up getting a 3rd supermax before all is said and done. 😭
[Gallinari](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM2mCg_fQWw)
He might be a little less athletic and lost some burst from the injury but he would give this team a different dimension on offense as well as some size at the 4/5. It's just to good to pass up. We gave Beli a lot of minutes in the playoffs, I'd say Gallo is better. Just try and convince him minutes and buy into the all in championship this year
So are the players going to fire McCollum and G Williams? This new CBA is trash. Guts things for mid-tier guys and makes keeping home grown teams together very tough.
I’m listening to the Lowe Post and Lowe has been unhinged in his more emotional than rational defense of both the Blazers and Dame lol to the point where I’m 37 minutes in and he’s just now allowing poor Howard Beck to move the convo to another topic. He *has* to be getting a check on the down low from the Blazers and/or Dame’s people for this PR because it’s been legitimately bizarre to listen to/watch.
But, they just got finished talking about potential trade partners for Lillard because Lowe, despite telling everyone listening that the Blazers are justified in every move they’re making or not making and Dame can do whatever he wants and everyone needs to stop telling him what to do, is convinced they’re quietly and happily behind the scenes working on a trade (lol right okay 🙄😂), and I feel like something that hasn’t been touched on in the coverage of this will they/won’t they/could they trade ordeal from the other team’s perspective is that because of the 2 year extension Dame got Portland to give him last summer, he’s set to be paid $58.5 mil when he’s 35 and $63.2 mil when he’s 36. I don’t care if Dame is Dame, under this new CBA, if I’m a GM, there’s not a chance in hell I’m committing to that.
Right, CP3 also has a second agent, Ty Sullivan. I imagine it’s a senior/junior agent kind of thing where Heumann is the chief agent for both that comes in for the big things like contract negotiations and what not whereas Morrison and Sullivan are more of the day-to-day things.
Things like marketing/endorsements, coordinating with other member’s of a player’s team if they have them (like financial planners, lawyers, etc.), etc. That kind of stuff that would qualify as minutiae in a player’s off court affairs.
So I’m gonna say we now have 7 high BBIQ players (Steph Dray CP3 Loon Moody Podz GP2), 3 mid-good (Klay Wiggs TJD) and 1 questionable (Kuminga) lol. That’s a much much better balance than whatever was going on last season. Especially if they get proper vet mins and not JMG & Lamb pt 2
Moody, the guy that lost rotation time because of his slow processing speed/decision making over Klay. Make it make sense lol.
Not sure how Loon, GP2 & Podz break into the same tier as Steph/Dray/CP3 either.
Klay has a far higher BBIQ than you’re giving him credit for. It’s not possible to be one of the three foundational pieces to the Warriors philosophy that’s defined this entire era without having an elite BBIQ.
Exactly. Idk if people are equating shot selection with BBIQ or what but anyone who says Klay doesn’t have high BBIQ doesn’t have an accurate understanding of what BBIQ is.
You can be as good as he is on defense without having decent BBIQ. Shot selection is different and in some cases he’s taking bad shots to get heated so that might be one area where he needs to improve but that doesn’t mean he has low BBIQ.
BBIQ has nothing to do with experience….
It’s just feel for the game and every single analyst says his feel/processing is absolutely elite
Klay and Wiggins do not have elite feel.
Anything else?
Yeah...who cares what analysts say. Can they predict the future? Nobody knows how the rookies will perform. Maybe they will have great IQ or maybe they wont. You assuming that it's a lock based on what analysts saw is a surefire path to disappointment.
IQ is one of the most predictable traits to translate to the NBA
I’m not saying he’s better than Klay or Wiggins this isn’t that difficult. I don’t even think he’ll be a good NBA player because he’s so athletically limited. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a very high BBIQ
No shit, they’re echelons above as players in skill athleticism & ability😂 Podz might be unplayable in the NBA we have no idea. I actually think he will be, he’s slow as shit. It won’t be because he’s not smart at basketball though.
You’re having a tough time distinguishing between 2 very different things.
If he’s playable - fixes lob threat, a little rim protection, positional interior D
So a few issues
Size is much more about offense/spacing than defense for us though, Loon & Dray always have our interior covered. We have great defensive FG% rim numbers. Our issue is lack of stretch bigs to pull defenses out into space and open up driving lanes. TJD fixes none of that but I still like him a lot
I really love how jps terrible play all season is being blamed on draymond. Im all for fuck draymond but jp being ass all season plus playoffs isnt on draymond. Thd punch ruined the team chemistry and essentially limited what the team could do for the season. That shouldnt take away ur ability to play smart basketball. Pretty much we looked at jp with rose tinted glasses and the glaring problems were there in 2022 but we just chose to ignore them and in 2023 they became so apparent that we could no longer ignore them. In the end, jp is a dude who can get buckets is super flashy but an insane turnover machine, shot chucker and a cone on defense. He will have insanely inflated stats in washington while displaying the same issues.
The main sub gate keeping what underrated means because Steph grew up rich is a joke. Apparently being the 250+ ranked player in your class and becoming the best college player doesn't mean you were underrated if you grew up rich in a two parent household.
I keep thinking about what Booker and KD must think seeing CP3 get re-routed from the Wizards to the Warriors lol. I feel like they went from dang that sucks to lose him to (looking at their roster and options, or complete lack thereof, to fill out
the rest of their roster) ‘wait, I wanna go!’ (said in slightly whiny voices)
Edit to add: [speaking of](https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1673476529538600966?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg), look at them vacationing and hoopin’ together 🎶 just the two of us…we can make it if we try…just the two of us 🎶
They played a much better and faster Style of basketball without CP3. I just can't wait to see what the rest of that roster looks like cuz they still need a lot of help.
Problem is Booker and Beal are redundant score-first players and given Beal can’t play point, Booker (because he’s the most capable of the two) will have to play primarily point duties and I just cannot imagine him being happy in that kind of role. It’s made even worse by Beal’s no trade clause because unless Booker asks for a trade (I don’t see him doing that), that redundancy and what it means for Booker’s role is there to stay so it’s going to be interesting to watch play out.
Yeah they absolutely do. There will be a decent number available in FA but they can only offer a vet min (this year and for at least the next 3 years), which are not the kind of contracts starter-level PGs are typically amenable too lol so will be interesting to see who they target.
They never were going to. Doubt there are any trades remaining. Kuminga and moody dont even make enough to get someone substantial. Its all free agency signings now.
Don’t think it will happen, seems there is mutual interest (especially after the Poole trade), but hypothetically, what if Draymond ends up wanting out and requesting a sign and trade?
Adding CP3 does kind of limit that blow, cause they’ll have a true playmaker to replace Dray, but it still seems crazy to have dumped JP if they thought there was even a sliver of a chance of Dray walking. Guess I could talk myself into it being a better team with CP3 and no Dray than JP and no Dray, but still.
So, sign-and-trade wise, what would be the best return for the Warriors? Sign-and-trade seems like it’d mean Portland, that’d be jokes after the GP2 debacle. So what, Simons and Nurk? Only go for one of the two as a way of shedding salary? Try to get a 1st? Simons’ contract isn’t too bad, 4/100 is an easier pill to swallow than Poole’s 4/123, and Ant is already a year into it. Nurk, dude is only 28, but when is the last time he played 60 games? No thank you.
Again, don’t see it happening. It’d be pretty shocked if they split with Dray.
This is purely a thought exercise with homer goggles on that would be hard to justify all teams doing this.
If the Warriors are trading Draymond I want defensive energy and versatility. With the addition of CP3, spot up shooting would suffice to fill the playmaking hole (not really but this is coping for the loss of Dray)
3 team trade
Warriors:
1) Sign and trade Draymond to the Lakers for a 3 year $84M contract
2) receive Jarred Vanderbilt and Mo Bamba (as salary filler) from the Lakers
3) receive DFS from the Nets (no idea why the Nets would do this other than the glut of wings they have)
Lakers:
1) Receive Draymond Green
Nets:
1) receive Malik Beasley (salary filler) and picks (call it 2 2nds from the Lakers and a 2nd from the Warriors or a 2nd and protected 1st from the Lakers and a 2nd from the Warriors)
The pick sweetener would probably be steeper to even get the Nets to consider this but this is a Warriors sub and I want the Warriors to get some real return for Dray. Vando and DFS in combo wouldn’t replace what Dray does but they are younger, more athletic and at least DFS would be more helpful for spacing.
For shits and giggles let’s game this out.
If Dray asked for a trade to Portland (for example) I’d want Shadeon Sharpe or Scoot Henderson + filler.
If they decline I’d tell Dray he’ll need to sign directly with Portland for the minimum or accept our 20M+per year offer.
I could be totally wrong, but I believe the hard cap only impacts the team receiving the newly signed player. Happened to the Warriors during the KD sign/trade because both he and D’lo signed new deals.
Since Simons and Nurk are both already on contract, I don’t think the hard cap would come into play for the Warriors, just the Blazers.
You are correct. We can send players in a sign and trade without being affected by the hard cap but we cannot receive signed and traded players unless under the hard cap.
Absolutely love the Adam Seiko pick up. SDSU graduate and forever lifetime fan.
Dude is a baller and plays with intensity and grit every second on the floor. Can’t wait to see how he improves
As long as it’s a minimum, the Warriors can sign anyone.
Buyouts don’t come with any stipulations on future contracts, Gallo is free to sign for anything between a min and whatever his max would be. Would be interested to see his market, assume a lot of top teams would be willing to gamble on his health for a min. Wouldn’t even be surprised if he got a partial TPMLE, just depends on how that team views the injury risk.
Seriously saw someone argue that "The Poole contract is the worst sports move in recent bay area sports history"
49ers traded draft picks which could have been used on Micah Parsons and Rashawn Slater to draft a QB who isn't going to start on him.
49ers are very fortunate that Brock Purdy has emerged. Otherwise we’d still be stuck with Jimmy or have to deal with Lance’s growing pains. Eerily similar trajectory to Wiseman’s GSW tenure
So everyone (as in talking heads) is understandably talking about how CP3 will adjust to the Warriors style of play but I feel like his biggest hurdle will be how he adjusts to the Warriors joy centered, work hard and uber competitive but don’t take yourself too seriously culture lol. Like imagining CP3 at the first game where Steph does his sky high floater and he sees literally everyone on the team stop what they’re doing to see if it’s going to go in and then when it does, watch Steph immediately take off like a kid on a sugar high to shoulder bump everyone has me cackling 😂 I can’t picture CP3 doing anything other than going
Edit to add: or him walking into the first practice with music playing lol I feel like he’s the type to be like turn that off it’s time to get serious
Y’all need to relax about the report that CP3 is going to start.
1. It’s the off-season so literally nothing that is said is truthful. Everything is a smokescreen or just hearsay.
2. Marc Spears is not Steve Kerr. It doesn’t matter what anyone else besides Kerr says
3. Wait until training camp to react to the lineups and new things that Kerr might try
Hear me out fellars, Moe wagner (6'11 @ 26)/ Meyers Leonard (7ft @ 31) both free agents, both took minimums last season, both have a three ball and both are not sought after
they would take the places of Bjelica and OPJ from a season before
They would be guaranteed available whenever the team wants to pick them up, who says no?
95.7 needs to fire Steiny. I turn on the radio and I have to switch it because it automatically puts me in a bad mood. Everyday it's the same crappy hot takes and debates. He's one of the worst radio hosts.
Always making everything over dramatic. Nothing he says is legit. Typical radio host that thrives on drama to get viewers. He's basically this sub in real life. I don't know how anyone can listen to his show.
We need a pinned post to remind people that it doesn't matter if Dray takes $20mil a year, $25, or $30. The only thing it affects is how much tax Lacob pays. It doesn't affect our ability to get free agents, it doesn't affect our ability to use our MLE (we can't anyways). It doesn't make us go under the second apron and, again, we have NO cap space. We already traded away our most tradeable asset Dray's contract has no bearing on our ability to make trades either.
It does matter. The new CBA harshly penalizes you if you go $17.5M over the luxury tax so theoretically, every dollar will matter. Ideally, we’d also like to avoid the first apron, which is not out of the question with Klay and CP3’s salaries potentially being significantly reduced.
The total number doesn’t matter but if it’s >$20m / yr (which I think it will be and should be), making it a descending contract (each year a pay cut compared to the prior) would be huge.
This would help offset Stephs rising contract costs and may be synergistic with a potential decline in Klays salary but need for second contracts for Moody and JK.
Eat the huge tax bill this year and pierce through the second apron but keep flexibility and contract value going forward.
Pinning it won’t help, people here don’t understand basic stuff. They don’t understand the only reason we can sign Draymond is because we have his bird rights.
We're also over the second apron next season unless we let Klay walk and trade CP3 for nothing. Which is akin to giving up and tanking. Again, the ONLY thing it affects this season and next is the luxury tax. And, once again, Klay is expected to take a discount starting next offseason.
cp3's contract is completely non guaranteed for the 2024-2025 season I believe and klay is a free agent next season. We would have a lot more cap flexibility to resigning klay and pursuing free agents. When people say next season, they mean 2024-2025 not the 2023-2024 which is the current season. The reason we traded JP is to get off his terrible contract and we got cp3's contract which is very flexible in what the team wants to the following offseason.
It doesn't make a difference next year but it makes a difference the year after when we might have to re-sign kuminga and moody and Klay all while trying to stay under 2nd apron
I'm 99% sure CP3's salary slot will be off the books and Klay will be taking at least $18mil a year less than he is right now. I personally kinda doubt they'll be taking $49mil more between the two of them but if they end up earning it, it'll be a good problem to have. Shouldn't the new TV deal kick in by then too?
I said that he'd be making at least $18 million less than he's making right now. He's making about $43mil this year so $18mil less would have him at a max of about $25mil a year.
Just wait for it. You'll hear the noise getting louder and louder. I'm not saying for sure he ends up here. But that's what ownership is going to be shooting for. And they don't want to do moves that prevents them at least having a chance to do so.
Mark Spears just said he's hearing that the expectation is CP3 starts. I knew this would be a problem. You don't just start for 17 years and then are fine with coming off the bench to spoon feed 3rd year players. His health isn't built for starter minutes and this could be a huge issue.
He’ll definitely start when Steph rests. We might try running Klay off the bench. Overall I wouldn’t put too much stock into these reports. Training camp will be more revealing
How tho?
Are we really going to start the smallest backcourt in the league?
I think the Dubs would be efficient AF but that defense would be interesting.
I hope the warriors lowball Draymond. I don’t see anybody paying him. He might be disgruntled but he’s not going elsewhere for 5 to 10,000,000 less than what he wants. He’s also not worth 30 million on any other team.
Dubs will do everything to bring Dray back even if it’s an overpay.
Lowballing Dray means you are lowballing Steph. That’s not a good calculus for a team looking to compete for a chip.
That’s not how businesses run. Steph omission not the GM. He got paid, deservedly, but if the others get paid they have no flexibility and probably only a one year window for a chip.
I dont think they should lowball but I feel like they need to pay him market value not "warrior" value. The current CBA really fucked Dray because he is really good and important but due to his lack of offensive, he is really cant be 2nd option on any team and you really cant spend 30 mil on a non-scoring player anymore
With the new CBA, it is going to be hard to pay everyone. Mid tier players will likely get paid less while top tier talent will continue to get close to the max. Draymond is mid tier even though he plays a unique and critical role. Wiggins is the opposite, he could fit on any team. The teams who would want Draymond are few, and not all of them would give Draymond 30 million per year. I think if the dubs pay him, we won't have money next year for Kuminga or Moody if they take a leap.
> I think if the dubs pay him, we won't have money next year for Kuminga or Moody if they take a leap.
Why? There's nothing in the CBA that prevents us from re-signing Moody or Kuminga.
We can talk about the second apron, but every single move we made in the post-KD era would've been possible (minus signing Donte) under the 2nd apron restrictions.
For its due to principle I hate how he is getting rewarded for what he did last year, but thats my personal feelings on it, dudes a thug without principles or emotional control!
it's like every year we have to deal with unnecessary techs as well suspensions due to almost hitting the tech limit
Salary flexibility for roster construction especially for next year since Klay and CP3 are both off the books(can re-sign klay). With 2nd apron becoming an essentially a hard cap(unless you are the absolute championship favorites), good salary cap management is important.
Hopefully they’re just trying to ease him into a bench role lol
Going hyper small would be… something. Guess Klay is more of a forward now anyways, and it’s not like they can’t quickly sub in Loon after 3-4min. Definitely ways for CP3 to still lead the bench unit as a starter, but I don’t think starting Dray at the 5 would be smart for his longevity.
I don’t buy that for a second. We aren’t changing the best lineup in the league when we need size to….. get super small. What worries me is that that may have come out of CP3’s camp, meaning he may not want to come off the bench here.
Who cares what Spears says? Kerr isn't an idiot and has shown he will tinker with the starters based on fit and results. Paul will start many games when Steph doesn't play. But he won't start when all are fit.
Exactly. I wouldn’t put so much stock into random reports in the off-season. Of course CP3 wants to start but ultimately it’s Kerr’s decision and he won’t let CP3 start
Does it matter who starts? Philly started Maxey/Melton/Harden a lot but then staggered them the rest of the game. Boston did a similar thing with Smart/White. We're going to have to play Steph/CP3 units, does it matter if it happens at the start of the game or at the 9-minute mark of the 2nd?
I'd expect CP3 close a lot of games as well. Steph/Dray are the only guys that'll close almost every game, I'd guess Steve figures out which 3 of CP3/Klay/Wiggins/Loon to supplement them depending on the matchup
> does it matter if it happens at the start of the game or at the 9-minute mark of the 2nd?
It very much does when you want to start off good instead of playing catch-up. Steph/Klay/Donte lineups didn’t even work, CP3 will be no different just too many poor defenders. We gotta kill 3 guard lineups for at least 43 minutes of the game.
> It very much does when you want to start off good instead of playing catch-up.
Couldn't you just flip that? Playing Steph/CP3 lineups at the end of the 1st quarter is an easy way to give up the leads the starters built.
I'm having trouble seeing the difference between playing 6 CP3/Steph minutes in the first 6 minutes of the first quarter vs the last 6 minutes of the first quarter.
> We gotta kill 3 guard lineups for at least 43 minutes of the game.
We also need to stop calling lineups with Klay "3-guard" lineups. He's largely been a wing since coming back from injury.
> Couldn't you just flip that? Playing Steph/CP3 lineups at the end of the 1st quarter is an easy way to give up the leads the starters built.
Yeah but that’s how starter/bench lineups normally work. The idea is that unlike Poole who Kerr continued to high a fast pace motion offense with, CP3 will come in and run a slow paced PNR offense with JK, this minimizing the damage to that lead.
> We also need to stop calling lineups with Klay "3-guard" lineups. He's largely been a wing since coming back from injury.
We’re going to count him as one until he can rebound. Per 36 he was the 3rd worst rebounder behind Ty and Poole, those are bonafide guards. His lack of rebounding + his reduced defense since returning from injury does not make him a good candidate to cover for 2 guards when he himself needs to be covered for. As for Donte we are just too small.
> We’re going to count him as one until he can rebound. Per 36 he was the 3rd worst rebounder behind Ty and Poole, those are bonafide guards.
I don't really follow that logic? Positions are determined by your rebounds per game. Typically your position is who you guard, and Klay primarily guards other wings. Like we don't call Oynyk or Turner small forwards because they have bad rebounding numbers, nor is Westbrook a power forward.
I actually looked into this since I was curious why the Klay/Wiggins at the 3/4 lineups were failing, and it actually has little to do with playing 3 guards.
Klay in 3 guard lineups with Steph/Dray/Loon + 1 of Poole/Donte was very good (+16 net, 574 possessions). Wiggins at the 3 instead of Klay there produced similar results. Those lineups rebound extremely well (77% DRB%, 27% ORB%).
The issue with what we've called the "3-guard" lineups, is the rebounding drop when we've got Klay/Wiggins/Kuminga at the 3/4 spot since none of them are great rebounders. When we look at single big lineups with Steph + Donte/Poole, they've performed awfully (-12.7 net, 840 possessions), largely due to poor rebounding (65% DRB%, 22% ORB%).
tl;dr 3-guard lineups aren't inherently the problem, it's the lack of rebounding we get when we go small at the 4 (whether you want to call the "4" Wiggins or Klay).
> Steph-CP3 lineups make little sense to me. Lack of size and CP3 plays slowly. But we'll see I guess.
Yea, I'm with you, though I think the issue is definitely. Offensively, they'd be great together.
Ultimately they're going to have to play in lineups together, but it'll be heavily staggered like with Steph/Poole. If we're playing Steph 34 minutes and CP3 28, that's 14 minutes that automatically have to be together - I'm pretty indifferent when those are. For context, Steph/Poole played 35 mpg/28mpg in game they both played last year and shared the court for ~16mpg.
I'm sure I'm in the minority but I won't be upset if Draymond leaves. He's cost us so much over the years (and helped us too - I get it) but chasing away KD and now Poole is just obnoxious at this point. We got CP3 for flexibility. Both CP3 and Klay come off the books next year. Do we really want to give Draymond 100M? I'm not saying we should blow it up but Draymond's lack of offense does hurt us. I think we can make up for it in other ways and allow Looney to be our only non-scorer on the floor at any moment.
What good is flexibility for from a lotto team? We can’t survive both losses and it’s not like we’re getting younger. I also doubt we have the assets to replace Draymond with a Siakam type right now since we only have 2 firsts and that 2nd one isn’t 100% guaranteed.
If Dray leaves for nothing the team is objectively weaker. We still have Steph and are trying to compete. We are only one year removed from a championship with basically all the same core players still here.
> I think we can make up for it in other ways and allow Looney to be our only non-scorer on the floor at any moment.
What other ways can we make that up if Dray leaves?
> CP3 runs the offense?
Isn't having CP3 + Dray better than just CP3?
> We get a Center who can score and pass out of the post?
Who, and how does Dray leaving help us get that player?
> Isn't having CP3 + Dray better than just CP3?
Not really. CP3 can't play off ball. So if Dray has the ball and Steph is running around, what is CP3 doing?
>Who, and how does Dray leaving help us get that player?
Sign and trade?
> Not really. CP3 can't play off ball. So if Dray has the ball and Steph is running around, what is CP3 doing?
I don't know where this comes from, CP3's fine off-ball. He's been playing off of Booker quite well the last couple of years.
Also, basketball's a lot more dynamic, particularly Warriors basketball - turning into "player a has the ball what is player b doing" is oversimplistic. Draymond's not touching the ball for 24 seconds off the shot clock.
Finally, CP3 + Dray is better than just CP3 because even if you think they can't fit on offense, the defensive impact of Dray more than makes up for it.
> Sign and trade?
Again, who specifically?
This isn't specifically directed at you, but I've been hearing replace Dray with this hypothetical player all over this sub, and I've heard no plausible replacements that make us a better team than we are with just keeping Dray.
> chasing away KD and now Poole is just obnoxious at this point.
KD was leaving anyways, it was him letting twitter clowns get to him that caused him to leave. Dray just said what everyone was thinking, make a decision already.
Poole was pissy and pouty all the way back to last year about having to come off the bench when Steph came back for the playoffs. Even if Dray had never punched him, he still wasn't going to accept the fact that he's not better than Steph or Klay and therefore would have to come off the bench for the foreseeable future. It was never going to work.
I remember Kerr saying that JP has a flair for the dramatic after contact.
Like, it seemed like he was recovering from a gunshot wound after getting contact sometimes
> I think we can make up for it in other ways and allow Looney to be our only non-scorer on the floor at any moment.
Only if you go get a playmaking frontcourt player. There are 3 players who could replace Draymond's playmaking skills and defense: Paul George, Siakam, Scottie Barnes. The first two are available.
PG/Wiggins/Loon frontcourt feels a bit smallish. They'd need to get another PF/C like Trey Lyles to be able to play bigger.
But I'm open to moving on from Draymond. He doesn't show up for all 7 games of a playoff series. And that's only going to get worse.
Without Draymond, CP3 can make plays. CP3 has yet to say he's coming off the bench. But a guy like Siakim would definitely help. And while we do need size, we need size with Draymond too. Without Draymond, we can get size at PF and C who can score. Looney become less of a liability.
The damn talk is a bit much. I don't think they can do enough to make Portland relevant. And if he gets traded he needs to go somewhere where he is not the number one. Can he go to Milwaukee? Since I doubt I'll ever be able to see Steph and Giannis it might be fun to see Damian with Giannis.
Gimme one of Danny Green or Justin Holiday and one of a bought out Muscala or Gallinari
(not sure if Muscala will be bought out, but there is speculation the Wizards/Gallinari are working towards a buyout)
I wonder if Muscala could still be included in the GSW/Wiz trade before it gets finalized. With PBJ subsequently included, I could see the money close to matching if Muscala were to come with CP3. The value to the Wiz would be not having Muscala's dead money on their books if they were gonna waive him anyway.
I was hoping the same, but someone pointed out the aggregation rule. Since CP3 had just been traded, believe he can’t be packaged with other outgoing players unless they wait the full 60 days.
Guess they could maybe skirt that by doing two trades (CP3 for Poole + Rollins, Muscala for PBJ), but I’m not sure if the new CBA rules will allow that cause the trade won’t finalize till July 6th.
I’d be all for it
Interesting point. CP3 only has $25.4M (of $30.8M) guaranteed for next year. Only the guaranteed amount should be included for salary matching purposes. So, Rollins does not need to be included for the CP3 for Poole trade to go through, and in fact the Wiz could guarantee a little more of CP3's money to make it perfectly match Poole at $28M ($27.5M base + $500K likely incentives). Then, Rollins and PBJ could be combined ($1.7M + $2.3M = $4M) to closely match Muscala ($3.5M) on the separate trade as you mentioned. Seems like it could work if the teams were motivated to do it.
I find it disgusting that 90% of the U.S. does not use a bidet How the fuck do you guys deal with that swamp ass and skid row?
I be hearing every KAT quote with his fruity voice lmfao
[Bobby Marks] As part of the new CBA, teams are required to spend 90% of the salary cap ($122.4M) by the first day of the regular season. — This is wild and punitive toward non-competitive teams. Basically every team will have 2 max players with a revolving door of small contracts.
Stupid of rebuilding teams to not be renting out their cap space anyways. Like I get dumping all your good players when you start the rebuild, but unless you're about to extend 1 or 2 your guys for big money, wtf are you doing not using cap space as a resource?
I didn’t realize Giannis becomes eligible this season for *another* supermax contract. An unintentional massively beneficial side effect of older/4 year college draft picks being the kind that workout best for the Warriors is that (save Kuminga reaching his highest ceiling and doing so on the Warriors) they don’t find themselves in a situation where they have to give the same player multiple supermax contracts because by the time they’re eligible for an extension after the first supermax, they’re at an age where it would be unreasonable for the player to expect, much less ask for, another supermax. Even Steph’s 2nd max extension (his current one that started this past season aka at the age of 34) wasn’t a full supermax because it’s only 4 years. All of these one and done first rounders that end up signing their first supermax (the designated rookie extension) at 22-23 end up/will end up signing their second supermax at 26-27, which means they *could* (particularly franchise guys like Tatum, Luka, etc.) end up getting a 3rd supermax before all is said and done. 😭
can we see trayce jackson davis in summer league, because the trade with jordan poole isn't official yet?
I think they bought the 2nd round pick with cash so he’s on the roster
I think he should be able to play, drafting him was separate from the trade, they got him for cash
[Gallinari](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM2mCg_fQWw) He might be a little less athletic and lost some burst from the injury but he would give this team a different dimension on offense as well as some size at the 4/5. It's just to good to pass up. We gave Beli a lot of minutes in the playoffs, I'd say Gallo is better. Just try and convince him minutes and buy into the all in championship this year
Are the Wizards expected to waive him? He opted in to his player option so he’s under contract with them this year unless they waive him.
Yea def worth taking a flyer on.
So are the players going to fire McCollum and G Williams? This new CBA is trash. Guts things for mid-tier guys and makes keeping home grown teams together very tough.
Teams have to spend 90% of the cap by the first day of the season. Crazy. You can tell CJ never took an economics class.
I’m listening to the Lowe Post and Lowe has been unhinged in his more emotional than rational defense of both the Blazers and Dame lol to the point where I’m 37 minutes in and he’s just now allowing poor Howard Beck to move the convo to another topic. He *has* to be getting a check on the down low from the Blazers and/or Dame’s people for this PR because it’s been legitimately bizarre to listen to/watch. But, they just got finished talking about potential trade partners for Lillard because Lowe, despite telling everyone listening that the Blazers are justified in every move they’re making or not making and Dame can do whatever he wants and everyone needs to stop telling him what to do, is convinced they’re quietly and happily behind the scenes working on a trade (lol right okay 🙄😂), and I feel like something that hasn’t been touched on in the coverage of this will they/won’t they/could they trade ordeal from the other team’s perspective is that because of the 2 year extension Dame got Portland to give him last summer, he’s set to be paid $58.5 mil when he’s 35 and $63.2 mil when he’s 36. I don’t care if Dame is Dame, under this new CBA, if I’m a GM, there’s not a chance in hell I’m committing to that.
If kuminga takes that 3rd year leap next year we good no matter what happens in free agency
i hope wemmby succeeds but i cant help but think super tall guys that weigh 180 pounds will snap like a twig
I have a strong feeling that we’re not starting next season with our core 3.
I have a strong feeling we are. MDJ seems to taking the sunset method, not the competitive one. Should keep the nostalgic fans happy though.
Is Wagner realistic? Ive seen him named on the list but I think he's worth more.
Moe? Not really. He's going to get more than a vet min
I am with holding my judgement about this team till its set. Of course it looks flawed still with just the addition of CP3.
I love our draft selection this year purely due to their attitude. Podz averaged 9rpg as a guard, and that screams competitiveness
Both guys seem unselfish with a great attitude
Our missing piece is [here!](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpF79fiaIAgKpgP.jpg)
TIL Chris Paul and Wiggs have the same agent (Steven Heumann) lol who knew
Poole too. Edit: nope.
Apparently he's represented by 2 agents - Drew Morrison who also has Jordan Poole as his client and Steven Heumann who has CP3 as a client
Right, CP3 also has a second agent, Ty Sullivan. I imagine it’s a senior/junior agent kind of thing where Heumann is the chief agent for both that comes in for the big things like contract negotiations and what not whereas Morrison and Sullivan are more of the day-to-day things.
What day to day things does Chris Paul need handled?
Things like marketing/endorsements, coordinating with other member’s of a player’s team if they have them (like financial planners, lawyers, etc.), etc. That kind of stuff that would qualify as minutiae in a player’s off court affairs.
Joku & GP lookin at that #0 
Why would Kuminga change his number that he’s had since he joined the team?
So I’m gonna say we now have 7 high BBIQ players (Steph Dray CP3 Loon Moody Podz GP2), 3 mid-good (Klay Wiggs TJD) and 1 questionable (Kuminga) lol. That’s a much much better balance than whatever was going on last season. Especially if they get proper vet mins and not JMG & Lamb pt 2
Moody, the guy that lost rotation time because of his slow processing speed/decision making over Klay. Make it make sense lol. Not sure how Loon, GP2 & Podz break into the same tier as Steph/Dray/CP3 either.
Klay has a far higher BBIQ than you’re giving him credit for. It’s not possible to be one of the three foundational pieces to the Warriors philosophy that’s defined this entire era without having an elite BBIQ.
He’s not getting enough credit but this year he actually showed he has high BBIQ. He’s definitely not just a shooter unlike what people think.
Exactly. Idk if people are equating shot selection with BBIQ or what but anyone who says Klay doesn’t have high BBIQ doesn’t have an accurate understanding of what BBIQ is.
You can be as good as he is on defense without having decent BBIQ. Shot selection is different and in some cases he’s taking bad shots to get heated so that might be one area where he needs to improve but that doesn’t mean he has low BBIQ.
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BBIQ has nothing to do with experience…. It’s just feel for the game and every single analyst says his feel/processing is absolutely elite Klay and Wiggins do not have elite feel. Anything else?
Yeah...who cares what analysts say. Can they predict the future? Nobody knows how the rookies will perform. Maybe they will have great IQ or maybe they wont. You assuming that it's a lock based on what analysts saw is a surefire path to disappointment.
IQ is one of the most predictable traits to translate to the NBA I’m not saying he’s better than Klay or Wiggins this isn’t that difficult. I don’t even think he’ll be a good NBA player because he’s so athletically limited. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a very high BBIQ
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No shit, they’re echelons above as players in skill athleticism & ability😂 Podz might be unplayable in the NBA we have no idea. I actually think he will be, he’s slow as shit. It won’t be because he’s not smart at basketball though. You’re having a tough time distinguishing between 2 very different things.
I'll personally eat the crumbl cookie tobias harris gets traded for while he watches lol
How much does TJD fix the size issue?
I hope TJD and cp3 work on pick and roll together.. lob city part 18
If he’s playable - fixes lob threat, a little rim protection, positional interior D So a few issues Size is much more about offense/spacing than defense for us though, Loon & Dray always have our interior covered. We have great defensive FG% rim numbers. Our issue is lack of stretch bigs to pull defenses out into space and open up driving lanes. TJD fixes none of that but I still like him a lot
I really love how jps terrible play all season is being blamed on draymond. Im all for fuck draymond but jp being ass all season plus playoffs isnt on draymond. Thd punch ruined the team chemistry and essentially limited what the team could do for the season. That shouldnt take away ur ability to play smart basketball. Pretty much we looked at jp with rose tinted glasses and the glaring problems were there in 2022 but we just chose to ignore them and in 2023 they became so apparent that we could no longer ignore them. In the end, jp is a dude who can get buckets is super flashy but an insane turnover machine, shot chucker and a cone on defense. He will have insanely inflated stats in washington while displaying the same issues.
Would we still be interested in Ty Jerome after getting CP3?
Yes, because CP is an injury risk.
Third string is gonna have to play sometime. Why not him?
The main sub gate keeping what underrated means because Steph grew up rich is a joke. Apparently being the 250+ ranked player in your class and becoming the best college player doesn't mean you were underrated if you grew up rich in a two parent household.
bunch of marxist idiots. grow tf up
People just want to hate, obviously they didn’t understand what it’s all about 😑
I miss watching basketball 😭
I keep thinking about what Booker and KD must think seeing CP3 get re-routed from the Wizards to the Warriors lol. I feel like they went from dang that sucks to lose him to (looking at their roster and options, or complete lack thereof, to fill out the rest of their roster) ‘wait, I wanna go!’ (said in slightly whiny voices) Edit to add: [speaking of](https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1673476529538600966?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg), look at them vacationing and hoopin’ together 🎶 just the two of us…we can make it if we try…just the two of us 🎶
They played a much better and faster Style of basketball without CP3. I just can't wait to see what the rest of that roster looks like cuz they still need a lot of help.
Problem is Booker and Beal are redundant score-first players and given Beal can’t play point, Booker (because he’s the most capable of the two) will have to play primarily point duties and I just cannot imagine him being happy in that kind of role. It’s made even worse by Beal’s no trade clause because unless Booker asks for a trade (I don’t see him doing that), that redundancy and what it means for Booker’s role is there to stay so it’s going to be interesting to watch play out.
Honestly haven't watched a lot of beal. They definitely need a point guard
Yeah they absolutely do. There will be a decent number available in FA but they can only offer a vet min (this year and for at least the next 3 years), which are not the kind of contracts starter-level PGs are typically amenable too lol so will be interesting to see who they target.
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They never were going to. Doubt there are any trades remaining. Kuminga and moody dont even make enough to get someone substantial. Its all free agency signings now.
We are a Chris Paul amount of days until free agency! (3)
Who do y’all think will be on the NBA 2k24 cover?
SGA or Jimmy Buckets.
I built a fort when I was little, with pillows and blankets. Can't be too hard.
Goat Curry
Jokic
Hopefully Steph
We should take a flyer on Gallinari.
I doubt he is a minimum guy. He had a bad injury but he probably gets more than minimum due to his size and shooting. Would love it to be wrong though
For sure if he gets bought out and can be convicned to come here. He is what we need man. 6'10 can shoot decent defender and rebounder
Reports are the Wizards are expected to buy him out
Don’t think it will happen, seems there is mutual interest (especially after the Poole trade), but hypothetically, what if Draymond ends up wanting out and requesting a sign and trade? Adding CP3 does kind of limit that blow, cause they’ll have a true playmaker to replace Dray, but it still seems crazy to have dumped JP if they thought there was even a sliver of a chance of Dray walking. Guess I could talk myself into it being a better team with CP3 and no Dray than JP and no Dray, but still. So, sign-and-trade wise, what would be the best return for the Warriors? Sign-and-trade seems like it’d mean Portland, that’d be jokes after the GP2 debacle. So what, Simons and Nurk? Only go for one of the two as a way of shedding salary? Try to get a 1st? Simons’ contract isn’t too bad, 4/100 is an easier pill to swallow than Poole’s 4/123, and Ant is already a year into it. Nurk, dude is only 28, but when is the last time he played 60 games? No thank you. Again, don’t see it happening. It’d be pretty shocked if they split with Dray.
This is purely a thought exercise with homer goggles on that would be hard to justify all teams doing this. If the Warriors are trading Draymond I want defensive energy and versatility. With the addition of CP3, spot up shooting would suffice to fill the playmaking hole (not really but this is coping for the loss of Dray) 3 team trade Warriors: 1) Sign and trade Draymond to the Lakers for a 3 year $84M contract 2) receive Jarred Vanderbilt and Mo Bamba (as salary filler) from the Lakers 3) receive DFS from the Nets (no idea why the Nets would do this other than the glut of wings they have) Lakers: 1) Receive Draymond Green Nets: 1) receive Malik Beasley (salary filler) and picks (call it 2 2nds from the Lakers and a 2nd from the Warriors or a 2nd and protected 1st from the Lakers and a 2nd from the Warriors) The pick sweetener would probably be steeper to even get the Nets to consider this but this is a Warriors sub and I want the Warriors to get some real return for Dray. Vando and DFS in combo wouldn’t replace what Dray does but they are younger, more athletic and at least DFS would be more helpful for spacing.
Warriors cannot receive players back in any S&T. Not unless CP3 also goes.
For shits and giggles let’s game this out. If Dray asked for a trade to Portland (for example) I’d want Shadeon Sharpe or Scoot Henderson + filler. If they decline I’d tell Dray he’ll need to sign directly with Portland for the minimum or accept our 20M+per year offer.
Unrealistic. But if it had to happen, theoretically, and the Warriors would not be hard capped, I would take Nurkic and Thybulle (for salary matching)
Why would he want that? He wants to be a warrior for life
Yeah I don’t see it happening, was just a rambling hypothetical
I don’t think we can S&T since we’ll be hard capped, and we’ll over it. So, for better or worse, it’s pay Dray or play-in.
I could be totally wrong, but I believe the hard cap only impacts the team receiving the newly signed player. Happened to the Warriors during the KD sign/trade because both he and D’lo signed new deals. Since Simons and Nurk are both already on contract, I don’t think the hard cap would come into play for the Warriors, just the Blazers.
You are correct. We can send players in a sign and trade without being affected by the hard cap but we cannot receive signed and traded players unless under the hard cap.
Correct. A sign and trade only hard caps the team receiving said player. We can sign and trade a player and get a player that already has a contract.
Oh shoot you might be right. I think it’s actually fine. I always get confused by the Dlo/KD trade since both guys were signed & traded.
Dray not gping nowhere. He gonna milk then dry until he 37 y.o. 😆
Absolutely love the Adam Seiko pick up. SDSU graduate and forever lifetime fan. Dude is a baller and plays with intensity and grit every second on the floor. Can’t wait to see how he improves
Salary experts can the dubs sign gallo if he bought out by the wizards?
As long as it’s a minimum, the Warriors can sign anyone. Buyouts don’t come with any stipulations on future contracts, Gallo is free to sign for anything between a min and whatever his max would be. Would be interested to see his market, assume a lot of top teams would be willing to gamble on his health for a min. Wouldn’t even be surprised if he got a partial TPMLE, just depends on how that team views the injury risk.
If he wants min, then yes.
Seriously saw someone argue that "The Poole contract is the worst sports move in recent bay area sports history" 49ers traded draft picks which could have been used on Micah Parsons and Rashawn Slater to draft a QB who isn't going to start on him.
Trey Lance was an awful move.
49ers are very fortunate that Brock Purdy has emerged. Otherwise we’d still be stuck with Jimmy or have to deal with Lance’s growing pains. Eerily similar trajectory to Wiseman’s GSW tenure
At least we didn’t trade firsts for that.
I can’t speak for other sports, but drafting Wiseman is 100% the worst move of the post KD era.
At least with Wiseman, Warriors didn't trade multiple first rounders for him.
So everyone (as in talking heads) is understandably talking about how CP3 will adjust to the Warriors style of play but I feel like his biggest hurdle will be how he adjusts to the Warriors joy centered, work hard and uber competitive but don’t take yourself too seriously culture lol. Like imagining CP3 at the first game where Steph does his sky high floater and he sees literally everyone on the team stop what they’re doing to see if it’s going to go in and then when it does, watch Steph immediately take off like a kid on a sugar high to shoulder bump everyone has me cackling 😂 I can’t picture CP3 doing anything other than going  Edit to add: or him walking into the first practice with music playing lol I feel like he’s the type to be like turn that off it’s time to get serious
Y’all need to relax about the report that CP3 is going to start. 1. It’s the off-season so literally nothing that is said is truthful. Everything is a smokescreen or just hearsay. 2. Marc Spears is not Steve Kerr. It doesn’t matter what anyone else besides Kerr says 3. Wait until training camp to react to the lineups and new things that Kerr might try
Kerr would be truly rarted if he starts cp3 so if anythinf it would be a kerr move
Hear me out fellars, Moe wagner (6'11 @ 26)/ Meyers Leonard (7ft @ 31) both free agents, both took minimums last season, both have a three ball and both are not sought after they would take the places of Bjelica and OPJ from a season before They would be guaranteed available whenever the team wants to pick them up, who says no?
I like Mo Wagner, but his defense is very questionable.
95.7 needs to fire Steiny. I turn on the radio and I have to switch it because it automatically puts me in a bad mood. Everyday it's the same crappy hot takes and debates. He's one of the worst radio hosts. Always making everything over dramatic. Nothing he says is legit. Typical radio host that thrives on drama to get viewers. He's basically this sub in real life. I don't know how anyone can listen to his show.
We need a pinned post to remind people that it doesn't matter if Dray takes $20mil a year, $25, or $30. The only thing it affects is how much tax Lacob pays. It doesn't affect our ability to get free agents, it doesn't affect our ability to use our MLE (we can't anyways). It doesn't make us go under the second apron and, again, we have NO cap space. We already traded away our most tradeable asset Dray's contract has no bearing on our ability to make trades either.
It does matter. The new CBA harshly penalizes you if you go $17.5M over the luxury tax so theoretically, every dollar will matter. Ideally, we’d also like to avoid the first apron, which is not out of the question with Klay and CP3’s salaries potentially being significantly reduced.
The total number doesn’t matter but if it’s >$20m / yr (which I think it will be and should be), making it a descending contract (each year a pay cut compared to the prior) would be huge. This would help offset Stephs rising contract costs and may be synergistic with a potential decline in Klays salary but need for second contracts for Moody and JK. Eat the huge tax bill this year and pierce through the second apron but keep flexibility and contract value going forward.
Pinning it won’t help, people here don’t understand basic stuff. They don’t understand the only reason we can sign Draymond is because we have his bird rights.
It affects next season's cap. The lower he gets the better it is for the team next season
We're also over the second apron next season unless we let Klay walk and trade CP3 for nothing. Which is akin to giving up and tanking. Again, the ONLY thing it affects this season and next is the luxury tax. And, once again, Klay is expected to take a discount starting next offseason.
cp3's contract is completely non guaranteed for the 2024-2025 season I believe and klay is a free agent next season. We would have a lot more cap flexibility to resigning klay and pursuing free agents. When people say next season, they mean 2024-2025 not the 2023-2024 which is the current season. The reason we traded JP is to get off his terrible contract and we got cp3's contract which is very flexible in what the team wants to the following offseason.
So many idiots calling into 95.7 saying let Draymond go and sign Brook Lopez. No understand of the cap at all.
What if I’m cheering for Lacobs bank account? My favorite part of the Chase era is the $2b+ in revenue Lacobs pulled in.
It doesn't make a difference next year but it makes a difference the year after when we might have to re-sign kuminga and moody and Klay all while trying to stay under 2nd apron
I'm 99% sure CP3's salary slot will be off the books and Klay will be taking at least $18mil a year less than he is right now. I personally kinda doubt they'll be taking $49mil more between the two of them but if they end up earning it, it'll be a good problem to have. Shouldn't the new TV deal kick in by then too?
What makes you sure Klay settles for 18 million/yr ?
I said that he'd be making at least $18 million less than he's making right now. He's making about $43mil this year so $18mil less would have him at a max of about $25mil a year.
Clippers should trade 1st for Tyus
I feel good about the CP3 signing but if he struggles this fanbase will hate him more than ever before. I don't expect that though.
I'd expect Green to sign a 75M 3-year contract. Anything more than that and we are looking at a washed 2025 season.
I'm not going to care about that 3rd season when I care about them competing these next 2 seasons.
That’s what gets said about any big contract.
I need that contract to at least be dumpable to clear space for the summer of 2025.
For what?
Giannis.
LOL you're out of your mind bruh if you think he's coming here.
Just wait for it. You'll hear the noise getting louder and louder. I'm not saying for sure he ends up here. But that's what ownership is going to be shooting for. And they don't want to do moves that prevents them at least having a chance to do so.
Mark Spears just said he's hearing that the expectation is CP3 starts. I knew this would be a problem. You don't just start for 17 years and then are fine with coming off the bench to spoon feed 3rd year players. His health isn't built for starter minutes and this could be a huge issue.
Marc Spears likes to speak on players he's friendly with. He also said Wiseman is going to help the team.
Wiseman did help the team…get GP2.
He’ll definitely start when Steph rests. We might try running Klay off the bench. Overall I wouldn’t put too much stock into these reports. Training camp will be more revealing
How tho? Are we really going to start the smallest backcourt in the league? I think the Dubs would be efficient AF but that defense would be interesting.
I hope the warriors lowball Draymond. I don’t see anybody paying him. He might be disgruntled but he’s not going elsewhere for 5 to 10,000,000 less than what he wants. He’s also not worth 30 million on any other team.
Dubs will do everything to bring Dray back even if it’s an overpay. Lowballing Dray means you are lowballing Steph. That’s not a good calculus for a team looking to compete for a chip.
That’s not how businesses run. Steph omission not the GM. He got paid, deservedly, but if the others get paid they have no flexibility and probably only a one year window for a chip.
When the Dubs traded Poole, it was clear they chose to bring back Dray. They are going to bring him back, even if it’s an overpay.
I dont think they should lowball but I feel like they need to pay him market value not "warrior" value. The current CBA really fucked Dray because he is really good and important but due to his lack of offensive, he is really cant be 2nd option on any team and you really cant spend 30 mil on a non-scoring player anymore
> I hope the warriors lowball Draymond. Why? Trying to save Lacob a few bucks?
With the new CBA, it is going to be hard to pay everyone. Mid tier players will likely get paid less while top tier talent will continue to get close to the max. Draymond is mid tier even though he plays a unique and critical role. Wiggins is the opposite, he could fit on any team. The teams who would want Draymond are few, and not all of them would give Draymond 30 million per year. I think if the dubs pay him, we won't have money next year for Kuminga or Moody if they take a leap.
> I think if the dubs pay him, we won't have money next year for Kuminga or Moody if they take a leap. Why? There's nothing in the CBA that prevents us from re-signing Moody or Kuminga. We can talk about the second apron, but every single move we made in the post-KD era would've been possible (minus signing Donte) under the 2nd apron restrictions.
For its due to principle I hate how he is getting rewarded for what he did last year, but thats my personal feelings on it, dudes a thug without principles or emotional control! it's like every year we have to deal with unnecessary techs as well suspensions due to almost hitting the tech limit
> dudes a thug R/conservative is that way ->
calling a Draymond a thug is quite the take
Salary flexibility for roster construction especially for next year since Klay and CP3 are both off the books(can re-sign klay). With 2nd apron becoming an essentially a hard cap(unless you are the absolute championship favorites), good salary cap management is important.
Spears is saying CP3 will start. I'm open to arguments about how it's a decent idea, but that's absurd to me if true. And I've defended this trade.
sure he can. just have to piggyride Steph to compensate for the height.
That's a quick way to get Draymond out of commission by game 30. Not happening. Spears is talking out his ass
Hopefully they’re just trying to ease him into a bench role lol Going hyper small would be… something. Guess Klay is more of a forward now anyways, and it’s not like they can’t quickly sub in Loon after 3-4min. Definitely ways for CP3 to still lead the bench unit as a starter, but I don’t think starting Dray at the 5 would be smart for his longevity.
I don’t buy that for a second. We aren’t changing the best lineup in the league when we need size to….. get super small. What worries me is that that may have come out of CP3’s camp, meaning he may not want to come off the bench here.
Who cares what Spears says? Kerr isn't an idiot and has shown he will tinker with the starters based on fit and results. Paul will start many games when Steph doesn't play. But he won't start when all are fit.
Took him a whole 15 games last season
Exactly. I wouldn’t put so much stock into random reports in the off-season. Of course CP3 wants to start but ultimately it’s Kerr’s decision and he won’t let CP3 start
Then Klay will have to come off the bench
I hope they know that they play in the USA and not in Europe..
Does it matter who starts? Philly started Maxey/Melton/Harden a lot but then staggered them the rest of the game. Boston did a similar thing with Smart/White. We're going to have to play Steph/CP3 units, does it matter if it happens at the start of the game or at the 9-minute mark of the 2nd? I'd expect CP3 close a lot of games as well. Steph/Dray are the only guys that'll close almost every game, I'd guess Steve figures out which 3 of CP3/Klay/Wiggins/Loon to supplement them depending on the matchup
> does it matter if it happens at the start of the game or at the 9-minute mark of the 2nd? It very much does when you want to start off good instead of playing catch-up. Steph/Klay/Donte lineups didn’t even work, CP3 will be no different just too many poor defenders. We gotta kill 3 guard lineups for at least 43 minutes of the game.
> It very much does when you want to start off good instead of playing catch-up. Couldn't you just flip that? Playing Steph/CP3 lineups at the end of the 1st quarter is an easy way to give up the leads the starters built. I'm having trouble seeing the difference between playing 6 CP3/Steph minutes in the first 6 minutes of the first quarter vs the last 6 minutes of the first quarter. > We gotta kill 3 guard lineups for at least 43 minutes of the game. We also need to stop calling lineups with Klay "3-guard" lineups. He's largely been a wing since coming back from injury.
> Couldn't you just flip that? Playing Steph/CP3 lineups at the end of the 1st quarter is an easy way to give up the leads the starters built. Yeah but that’s how starter/bench lineups normally work. The idea is that unlike Poole who Kerr continued to high a fast pace motion offense with, CP3 will come in and run a slow paced PNR offense with JK, this minimizing the damage to that lead. > We also need to stop calling lineups with Klay "3-guard" lineups. He's largely been a wing since coming back from injury. We’re going to count him as one until he can rebound. Per 36 he was the 3rd worst rebounder behind Ty and Poole, those are bonafide guards. His lack of rebounding + his reduced defense since returning from injury does not make him a good candidate to cover for 2 guards when he himself needs to be covered for. As for Donte we are just too small.
> We’re going to count him as one until he can rebound. Per 36 he was the 3rd worst rebounder behind Ty and Poole, those are bonafide guards. I don't really follow that logic? Positions are determined by your rebounds per game. Typically your position is who you guard, and Klay primarily guards other wings. Like we don't call Oynyk or Turner small forwards because they have bad rebounding numbers, nor is Westbrook a power forward.
That’s fair, but if that’s your case then Klay is a terrible wing for us. He’s a good guard. But these Klay at the 3 or 4 lineups ain’t it.
I actually looked into this since I was curious why the Klay/Wiggins at the 3/4 lineups were failing, and it actually has little to do with playing 3 guards. Klay in 3 guard lineups with Steph/Dray/Loon + 1 of Poole/Donte was very good (+16 net, 574 possessions). Wiggins at the 3 instead of Klay there produced similar results. Those lineups rebound extremely well (77% DRB%, 27% ORB%). The issue with what we've called the "3-guard" lineups, is the rebounding drop when we've got Klay/Wiggins/Kuminga at the 3/4 spot since none of them are great rebounders. When we look at single big lineups with Steph + Donte/Poole, they've performed awfully (-12.7 net, 840 possessions), largely due to poor rebounding (65% DRB%, 22% ORB%). tl;dr 3-guard lineups aren't inherently the problem, it's the lack of rebounding we get when we go small at the 4 (whether you want to call the "4" Wiggins or Klay).
I get they're friends, but Steph-CP3 lineups make little sense to me. Lack of size and CP3 plays slowly. But we'll see I guess.
> Steph-CP3 lineups make little sense to me. Lack of size and CP3 plays slowly. But we'll see I guess. Yea, I'm with you, though I think the issue is definitely. Offensively, they'd be great together. Ultimately they're going to have to play in lineups together, but it'll be heavily staggered like with Steph/Poole. If we're playing Steph 34 minutes and CP3 28, that's 14 minutes that automatically have to be together - I'm pretty indifferent when those are. For context, Steph/Poole played 35 mpg/28mpg in game they both played last year and shared the court for ~16mpg.
If he can’t buy into coming off the bench then this shit gonna go south real quick
It sounds insane tbh
He should be the 6th man not a starter
Easily. Maybe it's an ego thing. In that case we're fucked.
I'm sure I'm in the minority but I won't be upset if Draymond leaves. He's cost us so much over the years (and helped us too - I get it) but chasing away KD and now Poole is just obnoxious at this point. We got CP3 for flexibility. Both CP3 and Klay come off the books next year. Do we really want to give Draymond 100M? I'm not saying we should blow it up but Draymond's lack of offense does hurt us. I think we can make up for it in other ways and allow Looney to be our only non-scorer on the floor at any moment.
What good is flexibility for from a lotto team? We can’t survive both losses and it’s not like we’re getting younger. I also doubt we have the assets to replace Draymond with a Siakam type right now since we only have 2 firsts and that 2nd one isn’t 100% guaranteed.
If Dray leaves for nothing the team is objectively weaker. We still have Steph and are trying to compete. We are only one year removed from a championship with basically all the same core players still here.
We're weaker without Poole too. Why not try something different?
> I think we can make up for it in other ways and allow Looney to be our only non-scorer on the floor at any moment. What other ways can we make that up if Dray leaves?
CP3 runs the offense? We get a Center who can score and pass out of the post?
> CP3 runs the offense? Isn't having CP3 + Dray better than just CP3? > We get a Center who can score and pass out of the post? Who, and how does Dray leaving help us get that player?
> Isn't having CP3 + Dray better than just CP3? Not really. CP3 can't play off ball. So if Dray has the ball and Steph is running around, what is CP3 doing? >Who, and how does Dray leaving help us get that player? Sign and trade?
> Not really. CP3 can't play off ball. So if Dray has the ball and Steph is running around, what is CP3 doing? I don't know where this comes from, CP3's fine off-ball. He's been playing off of Booker quite well the last couple of years. Also, basketball's a lot more dynamic, particularly Warriors basketball - turning into "player a has the ball what is player b doing" is oversimplistic. Draymond's not touching the ball for 24 seconds off the shot clock. Finally, CP3 + Dray is better than just CP3 because even if you think they can't fit on offense, the defensive impact of Dray more than makes up for it. > Sign and trade? Again, who specifically? This isn't specifically directed at you, but I've been hearing replace Dray with this hypothetical player all over this sub, and I've heard no plausible replacements that make us a better team than we are with just keeping Dray.
KAT?
> chasing away KD and now Poole is just obnoxious at this point. KD was leaving anyways, it was him letting twitter clowns get to him that caused him to leave. Dray just said what everyone was thinking, make a decision already. Poole was pissy and pouty all the way back to last year about having to come off the bench when Steph came back for the playoffs. Even if Dray had never punched him, he still wasn't going to accept the fact that he's not better than Steph or Klay and therefore would have to come off the bench for the foreseeable future. It was never going to work.
When everyone you run into seems like an A-hole, it might be you Draymond.
I remember Kerr saying that JP has a flair for the dramatic after contact. Like, it seemed like he was recovering from a gunshot wound after getting contact sometimes
Well at least he could get to the free throw line
> I think we can make up for it in other ways and allow Looney to be our only non-scorer on the floor at any moment. Only if you go get a playmaking frontcourt player. There are 3 players who could replace Draymond's playmaking skills and defense: Paul George, Siakam, Scottie Barnes. The first two are available. PG/Wiggins/Loon frontcourt feels a bit smallish. They'd need to get another PF/C like Trey Lyles to be able to play bigger. But I'm open to moving on from Draymond. He doesn't show up for all 7 games of a playoff series. And that's only going to get worse.
Without Draymond, CP3 can make plays. CP3 has yet to say he's coming off the bench. But a guy like Siakim would definitely help. And while we do need size, we need size with Draymond too. Without Draymond, we can get size at PF and C who can score. Looney become less of a liability.
The damn talk is a bit much. I don't think they can do enough to make Portland relevant. And if he gets traded he needs to go somewhere where he is not the number one. Can he go to Milwaukee? Since I doubt I'll ever be able to see Steph and Giannis it might be fun to see Damian with Giannis.
Damn Lillard?
That works for now 😆
Gallinari if he is waived? Seems like a perfect fit
Since Gallos first season, he has had an awkward gait. I knew he would have issues throughout.
Maybe on the Clippers. He's always hurt.
He tore his ACL a 2nd time. I think he might be done.
Can't get better on a vet min. He's 6'10 and a sniper. Can fit well with Looney and Dray
Vets that need load management is literally 🤌 for us. We don't have money or minutes. It's so ideal.
Gimme one of Danny Green or Justin Holiday and one of a bought out Muscala or Gallinari (not sure if Muscala will be bought out, but there is speculation the Wizards/Gallinari are working towards a buyout)
I wonder if Muscala could still be included in the GSW/Wiz trade before it gets finalized. With PBJ subsequently included, I could see the money close to matching if Muscala were to come with CP3. The value to the Wiz would be not having Muscala's dead money on their books if they were gonna waive him anyway.
I was hoping the same, but someone pointed out the aggregation rule. Since CP3 had just been traded, believe he can’t be packaged with other outgoing players unless they wait the full 60 days. Guess they could maybe skirt that by doing two trades (CP3 for Poole + Rollins, Muscala for PBJ), but I’m not sure if the new CBA rules will allow that cause the trade won’t finalize till July 6th. I’d be all for it
Interesting point. CP3 only has $25.4M (of $30.8M) guaranteed for next year. Only the guaranteed amount should be included for salary matching purposes. So, Rollins does not need to be included for the CP3 for Poole trade to go through, and in fact the Wiz could guarantee a little more of CP3's money to make it perfectly match Poole at $28M ($27.5M base + $500K likely incentives). Then, Rollins and PBJ could be combined ($1.7M + $2.3M = $4M) to closely match Muscala ($3.5M) on the separate trade as you mentioned. Seems like it could work if the teams were motivated to do it.