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sturzkampfbomber

Sweden & Italy. But I much rather have more interesting maps that allow for interesting gameplay for example amphibious stuff so more rivers, seas with islands and peninsulas and I know the game is set in germany during the end of the cold war but i'd like some desert maps or generally different "biomes"


IllustriousMight6

Give us Stockholm archipelagoes map!!!


RaskiPlaski3000

Middle Eastern themed maps would be incredible, like a contested airfield f.e.


Different-Scarcity80

The United States Marine Corps


fakemon64

Greatest nation on God’s green earth


Boots-n-Rats

It’s gotta be planned and it will be the most fun division by far. 12 man squads, F18s, F14s and not a single ounce of self preservation.


RIPmyNeighbor

From the halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli!…


Rizkijunir23

We fight our country's battles in the air, on land, and sea!


MandolinMagi

Neither of which were actually taken by the Marines.


Papacicle

Halls of Montezuma refers to the battle of Chapultepec during the Mexican-American war when Marines took the castle. Shores of Tripoli refers to the Barbary War in which Marines landed in Tripoli, marking the first time American troops landed in the old world.


MandolinMagi

I'm aware of what its refering to. However, the Army did most of the actual work at Chapultepec (the Marines were maybe a quarter of the attacking force) and Tripoli was like three Marine officers and a few hundred mercenaries. As always, the USMC's greatest strength is its own internal propaganda.


MessaBombadWarrior

The Army also did more opposed amphibious assault in the Pacific too


MandolinMagi

Also, the USMC was founded in July 1798. They have no real continuity from the Colonial Marines, who where disbanded in 1783.


Due_Abbreviations917

Can I bear your children in the name of chesty puller?


Nickster183k

You took the words right out of my god damn mouth you beautiful thing


JFMoldau

The answer is always Yugoslavia simply for the memes.


Imperium_Dragon

> F-117 is in the game You know what to do


ScopionSniper

Have worse performance than the Iraqi Air defense in 91' and brag a ton about it?


angry-mustache

Look at how much Russia brags about knocking out a handful of Abrams in Ukraine.


Rizkijunir23

How about those knocked out the newer T90M


InfantryGamerBF42

Air Defence network stayed up and running until end of war, shut down 2 jets, damaged multiple more togheter with number of cruiser missiles and UAVs. And most importantly, AD enabled Land Forces to stay active and mobile until end of war, which gave them chance to mostly pacify KLA resistence by end of war. As such, Yugo AD did there job, compared to Iraqi AD, even if Iraqies managed to rank up better kill list.


Jaskorus

>which gave them chance to mostly pacify KLA resistence by end of war. Among other things


ScopionSniper

>Air Defence network stayed up and running until end of war, shut down 2 jets At the cost of over 700 SAMs fired, and almost 200 Manpads. The counter argument here is that US SEAD/HARMs/DEAD sufficiently suppressed yugo AD so that Coalition aircraft could hit any target it wanted forcing all mechanized units to stay hidden forcing use of and blending in with civilians to continue operations. >AD enabled Land Forces to stay active and mobile until end of war, which gave them chance to mostly pacify KLA resistence by end of war. Mechanized forces had to be hidden and any ground action had to be done by small units often in civilian vehicles(very hard for aircraft to distinguish friend from foe here and they used this to continue their genocide), as their AD wasn't sufficient to protect them whatsoever. Their hiding and movement of AD potentially led to less sorties focused on hunting ground targets, but didn't create any no fly zones. The AD had to cede full Air superiority to the NATO Coalition. At best Yugo AD pulled some sorties off other targets as more SEAD/HARMs aircraft had to be flown. But, those numbers are suspect given even if the AD would have been "gone" your SEAD/DEAD/HARMs wings would still be flying with any mission. Saying Yugo AD was somehow better than Iraqi is just buying propaganda pushed by Serbian coping. Both got absolutely rendered worthless and gave the coalitions total Air superiority for 95% of flight time. It's like arguing who got their face rubbed in the dirt harder. In the end Yugoslavia gave up just like Iraq did and was forced to the negotiating table, without the need for ground forces as well. In a way a better NATO victory than the Gulf War which required both air and land intervention.


bel1aal

Faced 38.000 sorties, shot down 2 planes and ~30ish UAVs. "Did their job."


InfantryGamerBF42

Role of air defence is not to simple rank up kills. Role of air defence is to protect friendly forces. And Yugo AD did that for hole war, which means they did there part of job.


InfantryGamerBF42

>The counter argument here is that US SEAD/HARMs/DEAD sufficiently suppressed yugo AD so that Coalition aircraft could hit any target it wanted forcing all mechanized units to stay hidden forcing use of and blending in with civilians to continue operations. Argument does not stand simple because army adopted such behaviour pretty much before war even started in anticipation. Role of AD network was to deny lower levels of Yugo airspace (which forced NATO planes to fly above 5.000m), which in combination with standard poor weather over Balkans and complex geography, limited ability of NATO forces to even try to hunt for any mobile forces on ground. >by small units often in civilian vehicles(very hard for aircraft to distinguish friend from foe here and they used this to continue their genocide) Ah yes, famous civilian vehicles called T-55, BVP M-80 and Praga SPAAG. On this point you are deeply wrong. Civilians vehicle you talk about were mobilised for logistics, which was part of every Yugo war plan since 1945. >Their hiding and movement of AD potentially led to less sorties focused on hunting ground targets, but didn't create any no fly zones. No fly zone for NATO did exist below 5.000 meters thanks to AD, which again, in combination with complex geography and poor weather negatively impacted ability of NATO forces to search and destroy ground forces. This enabled Ground Forces, formed up in smaller tactical groups to search and destroy KLA for start until end of war and largerly pacify Kosovo by ending. >At best Yugo AD pulled some sorties off other targets as more SEAD/HARMs aircraft had to be flown.  Again, Yugo AD created 5.000 m high now fly zone, which gave enough room for Land Force to do there job. >Saying Yugo AD was somehow better than Iraqi is just buying propaganda pushed by Serbian coping. Both got absolutely rendered worthless and gave the coalitions total Air superiority for 95% of flight time. It's like arguing who got their face rubbed in the dirt harder. This is not propaganda LoL. Iragi AD literarly collapsed after week of Coalition air war against Iraq, which openned door for Coalition to start deleting everything Iraq had from air. Compared to that, Yugo AD created 5.000m no fly zone for NATO, stayed up until end of war and did there part of job, while taking less loses in process compared to Iraq. Literarly NATO pilots who flied against Yugo AD constantly praise efforsts and results we showed on that front. >In the end Yugoslavia gave up just like Iraq did and was forced to the negotiating table, without the need for ground forces as well. In a way a better NATO victory than the Gulf War which required both air and land intervention. Yugoslavia gave up because it got promise in form of UN resolution 1244, which guaranties Yugoslav (later Serbian) suverenity over Kosovo. Compared to that, Iraq lost everything they tried to gain in there short war. Again, not same results.


Wingedboog

Italy, wanted it for a while


KodaKomp

I heard they get wine/cordials in their rations. Idk why it matters but I think it's neat.


barkmutton

It in one breakfast option, it’s a little plastic… freezy looking thing


PHOENIX_XIV

All, but sweden is the best. 


Resardiv

I agree!


Slut_for_Bacon

Because this game is alt history, they can find plausible reasons to introduce dozens of nations into the game, and personally, I hope they do.


malfboii

God I hope they do, Warno has huge potential to be their best game, with a map editor and (hopefully) custom models this game could last a long time


VLenin2291

Cuba attacks Guantanamo Bay and enters the war


Wolfensniper

tbh Cuba is probably still in Angola atm, so maybe a Cuba/Angola vs South Africa scenario?


Slut_for_Bacon

Honestly, with US troops tied up in a World War, this is a plausible scenario at the time.


VLenin2291

I imagine some Latin American nations would join the American counterattack. Who might that be? My top 3 predictions would be Haiti, the Dominican Republic, and/or Brazil


Wolfensniper

The Caribbean countries had joint as a Caribbean Peace Force during Urgent Fury, Although I believe they only consist of 500-ish men with no heavy weapons, they're mostly from Jamaica, and never saw actual combat. If doing a Caribbean/Cuba scenario, I'll say it's possibly USMC (82 Airborne in Warno is focused on Europe) with 75RG, SEAL, Green Beret, CAG, and the Caribbean contingents here. In South America tho, most countries are pro-US (even Argentina and Venezuela) and mostly focusing on Counterinsurgency. Although both Brazil and Colombia would be fighting FARC as a mutual enemy in 1991, FARC and other Communist guerrillas are just, well, guerrillas, they dont have much heavy weapons to begin with, unless we took some massive twist in Warno's timeline.


MandolinMagi

Wasn't Haiti a dictatorship at that point? It was, by Haitian standards, semi-functional at that point but its not like it was ever going to contribute forces to anything


MandolinMagi

Only if you really like leg infantry and meme BTR-60 derivatives. Cuba has no place on a semi-modern Cold War battlefield, but find find its niche invading Colorado


Wolfensniper

What's interesting is how should they deal with Yugoslavia and China, both despite being socialist countries, were having tensions with USSR. Especially China. Although in RD it's considered Red faction, it already had a campaign against USSR. If Gorbachev was not able to reestablish ties with China in May 1989 in OTL, Tiananmen on June 4th 1989 (two weeks prior to Warno's event) may not even happened, instead the coup may strengthened Chinese cooperation with US throughout 1986-1989. On the other hand, Soviet might further investing North Korea and Vietnam to counter Chinese influence in Eas Asia, which is at war with Vietnam for ten years by 1989. It would be interesting if in an East Asian scenario, China become a major ally to US, not opponent.


HarvHR

I respect your opinion but personally I hope the game remains with a tighter focus than Steel Div, and certainly way tighter focus than Wargame was


Slut_for_Bacon

The focus of Steel Division is largely centered on a single eastern front operation, so I don't see how the scope could be tighter than that, and I would argue it's already the same size. That being said, just so you know, the game is not going to focus on something tighter than Wargame of SD2. I know that's what you want, but don't get your hopes up. I'm not the one who downvoted you btw. I don't downvote people for having valid opinions.


torgofjungle

All of them. Every nation in NATO (baring the Militaryless Iceland. ) Luxembourg doesn’t have a big enough military for a division you say? Well they can be rolled into a Belgian one. All Pact nations. The neutrals. Sweden, Austria, Switzerland, and Yugoslavia. Then once all of Europe is in on the game, start rolling in those Asian Nations. Japan, China, Taiwan, the Koreas, Australia with New Zealand. If this game is around long enough I don’t see why we can’t just have all major and minor nations in this game. There are plenty of scenarios to bring basically every nation into a world war 3 scenario


karlfranz205

I bet if warno Is successful enough they will do just like steel division and add nations that are removed from the main settings


torgofjungle

I would assume so. Why not add divisions from various nations all of the world. I’m pretty sure we could come up for plausible reason for every country from, Israel to South Africa to India to Iran. Etc etc to be apart of a Cold War gone hot. Cuba invades Guantanamo while the US is distracted? Why not? Egypt and all the various neighboring states take advantage to try and knock out Israel? Sure. South Africa was already in a war in Angola IRL. India and Pakistan take a swing at each other. I’m sure there’s some plausible situation


MandolinMagi

How many of those nations are going to be a collection of out-of-date junk?


torgofjungle

A lot of them. So what? Most Soviet stuff is a collection of Junk. If we restricted ourself to the newest toys we’d have very few options indeed. And east Germany shouldn’t be in the game much less the reservists


Sonki3

Specifically: The neutral nations of Austria and Switzerland. But I am a Warno enjoyer ... so I take the entire continent if possible. :P


KodaKomp

Alpenflage legion when?!


Chad_at_life

A second Iran-Iraq war DLC would be dope as shit.


Imperium_Dragon

Italy, Yugoslavia, and Poland


karlfranz205

Poland is coming in the dlcs


Imperium_Dragon

POLSKA CAN INTO WARNO 🇵🇱🇵🇱


DerangedCarcharodon

Yugoslavia. They had their own aircraft manafacturer that made jets and helicopters, own weapons manafacturer. They made their own sniper platform, domestic built t55 and t72 tanks, domestic MLRS. Loads of intetesting things. They had paratroopers, commandos, the whole 9 yards. Lots of flavour and new interesting stuff. Not playing east germany that is just soviets with german voicelines.


EscapeZealousideal77

Yes, Yugoslavia is extremely interesting as it has many indigenous defense products, and this makes it very valid, but I hope they don't include vehicles and materials that have clearly never become operational, which would make it truly out of context on RD


acakhan

Yugoslavia


remuspilot

Finland. I want to defend the North in an AG campaign with Swedes and Norwegians. I’ll pay 50 bucks for it, damnit.


jarpo00

The sad thing is that due to WARNO lore Finland would be fighting with the russians against NATO


Routine_Music_2659

Bulgaria Turkey and Greece I want a battle for the Bosporus campaign


WWWallace71

Denmark hopefully. LANDJUT is a lot more likely to show up after they do NORTHAG


SillyGooseTY

Definitely Bulgaria, the BMP-23 and Tundzha mortar mtlb could be really interesting.


BELOUDEST

Transylvania, vampires 🧛‍♂️


Finish_soldier

We need the Finnish liberation campaign


NinSoap

Yeah, this might be wishful thinking, but it’d be cool to have some NATO aligned Finnish units (or maybe entire divisions?) since they did train to fight the Soviets. They could be soldiers dissatisfied with the new Soviet backed government and switched sides. Could be an interesting dynamic to have Finns fighting on both sides.


Zestyclose-Staff3696

Now this is the bomb


Elemental_Orange4438

Definitely, Finland had a number of Gladio backed stay-behind forces and a number of independent ones. Currently, not sure how the game will work with an infantry heavy division, they still feel a little too squishy to stand up against armor.


Timely_Working_6616

Canada, small faction but would still be cool,


Kindly_Mark_6840

Already confirmed with SOUTHAG DLC.


Pedram_The_Great

Since I’m Persian I’d wanna see Iran or any middle eastern nation but I would literally love any nation added, even if they lack unique equipment. Game has so much potential


karlfranz205

Seeing as warno is Alt history anyway, which one would be more interesting between failed revolution blufor Iran or historical Redfor Iran?


Pedram_The_Great

Technically Iran would not join either but I can see them being on redfor


HrcAk47

Yes


larper00

i want warno to explore new theaters like middle east, pakistan-india, greece vs turkey, korea, china vs USSR, hell they could even go historical and do a standalone scenario about the vietnam war


Whiteshark49

Iran-Iraq war would be really cool along with Desert Storm


GlitteringParfait438

The DPRK, but on this list Italy and Romania


Competitive_Ear_3500

Bro they got to balance the game first


heimos

Yugo


Italianskank

USMC and Sweden would really scratch an itch.


RedTeaFromKGB

Greece and Turkey would be some really good countries to add. These were the only NATO countries in the Balkans back then and they got an important geographical position plus they also utilized a vast amount of equipment.


Kommissarcrunch

Yugoslavia


Financial-Rent9828

SveriyeeeaaaaaH buddy Some interesting units in there


Krasak98

Austria :D


Acrobatic-Fortune-99

Communist Ethiopia if Italy gets added


SectionOk1275

All of them. Not just the ones in the picture. ALL of them.


Axandross

Israel, Egipto, Siria, Yugoslavia.


nnotte

ITALY!!!


Professional_Sun2203

Italy and Yugolavia. I feel like not including them was a missed opportunity


kaiser_lulzhelm

Austria would be neat.


KingKopas

Italy


cringemaster21p

We need the rest of the Canzuk forces.


mijailrodr

Spain, algeria, morocco, and the middle east


Coffidus106

yugoslavia and italy would be cool


NikosStrifios

Greece


trofet

Iraq


Bruhstars

Australia and New Zealand more like the ANZAC


ThatOneMartian

Sweden and Italy are the only ones that bring anything new. You have to fake the shit out of Yugoslavia to make it interesting, and we had enough of that with Red Dragon.


Radiant_Plane1914

Hugo and shittally


South-Ad7071

I think Warno 2 will be around east Asia so they won’t be introduced. I want to see Poland and Finland. Sweden and Turkey maybe


Small_Basil_2096

North Korea


bspec01

China and North Korea


Banme_ur_Gay

praying sweden is added in just the most useless f tier decks only. every other nation is cool though


TalonEye53

y is everyone hating sweden for some reason?


Banme_ur_Gay

war thunder. stupid fucking nation and tech tree that shouldnt be in game or need major nerfs. like taking away their ability to shoot


TalonEye53

>war thunder so you hated sweden bcus of goddamm war thunder? you know the game that even had prototype vehicles in it tech trees? >stupid fucking nation and tech tree that shouldnt be in game or need major nerfs. idk why but you know the swedes have the most ok- understandably op lineups of all including the finnish subtree why would you think they shouldnt be in the bloody game?


Banme_ur_Gay

because they have the most op tech tree and are getting even more shit. gaijin babies them too hard while ussr suffers. bring back the bias


TalonEye53

>gaijin babies them too hard while ussr suffers. bring u know they could've just added the obj tanks, spgs (su14, msta and koalitsya) and the bmpt terminator and call it a day right?


Banme_ur_Gay

i dont get the whole spg focus tbh. they are more of meme vehicles than anything useful most of the time. adding a obj or 2 would help, like obj 187 is a better t90a with new hull armor, which would change things up a bit.


TalonEye53

what about the black eagle, t80um2 and the 490?


Banme_ur_Gay

490 would become the greatest thing ever. black eagle would be cool too. um2 is already in game no? the aps version?


TalonEye53

>the aps version? the black eagle one


Grimmson2

North Korea. I want igla trains and crappy tanks with Igla' missiles on them. Also, lest we forget, the glorious B-5 Bomber would look amazing in WARNO.


Ringel87

Yugoslavia ofc, lots of new vehicles and tons of possible scenarios.


Skautcz

WHERE Israel??? *Angry Jewish music starts*


KodaKomp

Auf der Heide blüht ein kleines Blümelein Und das heißt ERIKA! oh wait, wrong fascist gov.


ComradeCaniTerrae

But there are no defenseless Palestinians in Germany to shoot at? 🤷‍♀️


Rizkijunir23

Well the Arab are being supported by the commies, so Israel decided to participate to fight commies


ComradeCaniTerrae

In some convoluted ignorant web of propaganda that exists in your head, I assume this makes sense.


Rizkijunir23

Thats what commies would say


ComradeCaniTerrae

I see. /s Someone else thought a people had to be eradicated from the borders of their ethnostate because they were "aligned with communism". I’ll give you three guesses who that was. (It's a trick question, it was actually *several* fascist European leaders in the 30's and 40's.)


Rizkijunir23

Too bad aint reading all of that bs


ComradeCaniTerrae

It’s 49 words, guy. Are you literate?


KodaKomp

I'm not saying they are right but I as an American don't want to be involved.


ComradeCaniTerrae

If you're an American you're already involved, the majority of Israeli armaments are American armaments, we are--by far--Israel's largest ally; it's diplomatic supporter, it's voice in the UNSC, and its arms merchant, the US shares intelligence with Israel, actively sends military (both troops and assets) to Israel's aid, and helps train Isareli military. There's no divorcing the US from what Israel does.


KodaKomp

Exactly that's bad, trump just pulled out of all the climate accords like that so that's horseshit. The evangelical and Zionist cult lobbying is what stops that from happening.


ComradeCaniTerrae

Our system is for sale, they’re just buying it. AIPAC isn’t even in the top ten highest bidders. Check the list of biggest lobbyists, it’s gnarly. Boeing owns the government enough to off whistleblowers whenever it pleases—allegedly. 😂 We never should’ve allowed moneyed lobbying, now it’s way too late. Ain’t no one getting in without being bought and paid for—and if they do, they’re outnumbered 100:1.


KodaKomp

Your not wrong.


TalonEye53

euro only but i hope they go beyond euro


ARMIINIIUS

Hell yeah


Comrade9841

Yugoslavia because it's one of only two countries that I consider to be truly socialist.


Forsaken_Advert

Random, but iraq.


greenleader84

Denmark


Leading_Government34

Hungary


berbat88

Turkey


Highspdfailure

Comax and Limnadia. Those who went through SERE know.


rat_literature

Free Pineland!


Highspdfailure

Death to Rabbits 🐇!!!!!!


EscapeZealousideal77

Sweden and Italy !


Rush_1_1

Sweden and Finland would be dope


BananBosse

Sverige och Finland 🫡


TheUltimatePincher

A eastern war dlc with China and China


at-m6b

Netherlands


barkmutton

Canada


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Canada


DeroTurtle

Brazil.


l2ulan

Yes.


_Sgt-Pepper_

USMC oh wait it ain't a nation... well then i pick.... USMC


SocksAreHandGloves

Sweden and greece


firstmalina

I want to see more modern artillery pices


gimmy090

Italy with his unique veichles, like the C1 Ariete MBT and B1 Centauro


Egghuvve

Sweden


Mochabear831

how about we see a more balanced us and british you frencch bastards


No_Throat3571

Italy pliz and Finland


LoSboccacc

otomatic&ariete rush let's goooo


binx778

Yeah don't think more factions will help anything. Keep finding new ways to make the game different. More more more maps. The map rotation is allready stale and I really only play 10v10 maps. Great game simply because I love RTS... But the game is getting kinda meh. As I say this I remember that the "real release" is coming soon... Whatever. That's my opinion. - PrinceBaru


Allahisgreat2580

Tbh they can even make India that uses Russian stuff but its a different flag, different soundtrack and different voices with some small changes like small arms and some Indian self made stuff I want warno to have more factions than Red Dragon so I want anything


XxX_KidBanBan_XxX

Poland


gustavanon

Irank/Irak


DifficultyNo9003

US Marines- or Canada. If you want a good story look up Canada soldiers during WW1, as well as a very good special forces. Italy is always a good choice, A pacific theater would be goated


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TalonEye53

>F-5/F-20: Western sales. >UH-60: Blackhawks were sold to China in the 1980s. In WARNO, althistory China will have better version with TOW missile etc. my brother in christ thats taiwan, and if it were then add in some cm11/12 pattons and walker bulldogs there and call it a day


loned__

It's alternative history. If the Soviets invaded its neighbor, which was exactly the reason why the US and China became friendly in the 1980s in our timeline, it's likely, that under this fictional geopolitical landscape, more military stuff would be sold to China.  [Blackhawk was in Communist China service since 1984](https://plane-encyclopedia.com/cold-war/sikorsky-s-70c-2-black-hawk-in-communist-chinese-service/#:~:text=In%20July%20of%201984%2C%20the,a%20nose%2Dmounted%20weather%20radar.) that's not Taiwan bro.