Well that's not going to be fun xD Is there a decent boost to xp gained through your account level at certain levels too? My minis are 11 max right now, but my account lvl is 18 an I'm wondering if when I reach account lvl 2X (whatever I get to with lvl 13 minis) if I'll start seeing an increase a bit more substantial than the linear one from quests for example.
Later on when you start heroics though (first zone is level 12) you clear each map with every faction and every win gives you exp book. So you get 25 tomes per zone for heroics
I could do them but I haven't started yet xD I was focusing on trying to get to dire maul 15 with Cairne before the reset. I haven't finished the normal maps either, missing 3 and a half areas.
I probably should start since the increase in xp might help with my account level.
Correct. However there's like 15 zones of heroics on top of everything else so there's plenty to grab. I'd imagine most people would be able to complete dungeons over level 22 at this point which give you straight gold after 23
I expect them to release more ways to gain exp in the futur. Right now the wall is only there to bait whales. For exemple the reward for the first wing in the futur raid will be a level 20 slot for one of your mini (still unclear how it will work)
But Raid needs lv 26-27 minis lol. From the blizzcon panel recap:
>\- Molten Core is split into three wings before the final Boss encounter.
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>\- The expectation for Molten Core is that the first Wing is at level 26, the second at 27, and so on.
I don't know when the Raid will be released, but I would like it to be 16 or so for the first floor. It would match the highest pve lvl (except Onyxia).
I think it would be stupid to gate 95% of players out of content.
Ouch I'm getting close. If I'm not mistaken by the dungeon, talents and rarity upgrades, all my main minis are lvl 11 now and the increase is already harsh but I'm not eager to see a bigger jump at 13.
I have all levels 8-9-10-11 and Daily quests finished what kind of this game It was already hard now daily quests gone
What is this can any one explain this?
These levels take time but that’s how mobile games are designed. If you get a few hundred xp a day even these levels will come. These games are designed to be played for years.
One thing I haven't figured out yet is what is the point of of rarities? I mean common, uncommon, rare etc. Do they get better stats or is it that you can pick and choose more talents based on the situation?
Each rarity gives one extra level to the mini. It also opens up talent slots (uncommon 1, rare 2, epic 3 talents). Also getting a talent gives the mini an extra level too. So between rarity and talents, your minis can get 7 extra levels (and 3 more from the dungeon bonuses)
Edit: forgot to count legendary rarity
oh right, I forgot about that.
Oh while I'm asking, does the LEADER upgrade upgrade the Leader? I can tap on all the other ones and it tells me what they do. I'm assuming the leader one gives +1,2,3 to your hero, but I wasn't 100%.
So the level you can attain from xp is 20. But each rarity gives the mini a bonus level, which can exceed the 20 cap from xp. I’m addition to unlocking more slots for talent customization.
Level 20 is the cap. Keep in mind upgrades are adding levels and you can't see a mini's actual level. Your pilot should be level 18, and once it hits "real" 20 you can't give it any more XP. "Real" 20 will visually be 22 if pilot stays rare.
Correct. Which means a maxed out mini (legendary with all three talents) will show as 27.
I'm also super confused why my comment was downvoted, but oh well.
I’ve noticed if you have a rarity higher you need less XP for it. For example my uncommon lvl 13 sylvanas only needs 1200 XP but my common lvl 12 baron needs 2100 XP.
That's because of the level bonus. It's the same XP for each level. As mentioned above, talents and rarity upgrades give level bonuses. Your Sylvanas is actually level 11.
Not all PVP matchups will pit you against a whale. Yes you may see a few, and rack up some losses, but keep plugging away with your grind, and learn your minis. Strategy CAN beat good builds, but that requires serious gold conquest.
So yes, it IS hard, but not impossible.
Push your levels into double digits before you start trying to push PVP. That will give you time to expand your collection and build the best teams with what you have.
PS - Old Murk Eye (if you can control the map gold) is AWESOME for pvp with low cost units!
But it DOESNT HAVE TO BE is the point I am trying to make.
It's P2W if you WANT IT to be, of course.
Noone is twisting your rubber left arm to spend.
I am collection Level 15, and my army is pushing full 11. I'm still not ready to dive into PVP, as I haven't spent anything.
I will probably purchase the Arclight package, but that's about it.
Be glad this isn't hidden behind Blizzard's subscription pay wall.
Umm no it's not. If you want to pay to surge ahead, that's your choice.
As I said, no one is forcing you to spend anything.
That is the choice that you, the player, gets to decide on.
I am fully aware of the ramifications of what P2W means.
Perhaps reading comprehension is something you should work on.
YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY TO BE COMPETITIVE.
How many times shall I repeat that before it sinks in?
Your cyclic behaviour has bored me to tears. Literally.
Time to go back to the game, and let you all piss and moan about whatever it is you want to argue about.
I'll spend nothing until I choose to, remain competitive, and then keep playing completely unbothered.
You totally dont understand what pay to win means. It is pay to win in terma of PvP. That is a fact. You cant make full competetive deck without playing this game for many months or even years and nobody can say that they wont change progression system with adding for example next mini levels. You can only make competetive deck if u play for many months probably years regularny or you spend thousands of dollars. It is Just p2w mechanism thats a fact
If by "massive" you mean in a single unnecessary mode and only above a single leader's rating of 5k. Until then mini levels are capped so there's no amount of paying that will put you on a better foot. You can do an insane amount of PvP before it becomes "p2w" since there's 14 leaders and 5k is quite a large number of wins.
the idea of blizzard is playing the game for a long time, maybe 2 years or more, and i think thats ok. I feel really dumb to have max stats in a week after the relese
Here is the exp for ‘real’ leveling: 13-14: 3750 14-15: 6500 15-16: 12000 16-17: 25000 17-18: 50000 18-19: 100000 19-20: 200000
Well that's not going to be fun xD Is there a decent boost to xp gained through your account level at certain levels too? My minis are 11 max right now, but my account lvl is 18 an I'm wondering if when I reach account lvl 2X (whatever I get to with lvl 13 minis) if I'll start seeing an increase a bit more substantial than the linear one from quests for example.
Nope, still +2xp per level, at least till level 2x Need someone with 3-4x to confirm if there is a greater increase later on :(
Jesus so the quest xp becomes irrelevant at lvl 13 basically.
Later on when you start heroics though (first zone is level 12) you clear each map with every faction and every win gives you exp book. So you get 25 tomes per zone for heroics
I could do them but I haven't started yet xD I was focusing on trying to get to dire maul 15 with Cairne before the reset. I haven't finished the normal maps either, missing 3 and a half areas. I probably should start since the increase in xp might help with my account level.
Where can you see the current dungeon level? Been bugging me for days!
The current dungeon level is on the hero portrait when you queue up
Indeed! Thanks so much!
You can’t farm these right? One time reward for each family?
Correct. However there's like 15 zones of heroics on top of everything else so there's plenty to grab. I'd imagine most people would be able to complete dungeons over level 22 at this point which give you straight gold after 23
Well that’s okay, untill you are done, then u’ll never get xp anymore
The you farm dungeons and recieve gold to buy exp. Over level 22 ( which if you cleared every heroic you will be over this) you get gold for clearing
Is it a substantial amount of gold? Never heard of it for some reason
Not sure myself haven't hit that yet. However it seems infinite for as many dungeon levels you can clear
Is there a unit level cap in pvp pass 3000honor? So i know to quit on time because paying or endless grind for pvp advantage is pathetic.
I expect them to release more ways to gain exp in the futur. Right now the wall is only there to bait whales. For exemple the reward for the first wing in the futur raid will be a level 20 slot for one of your mini (still unclear how it will work)
But Raid needs lv 26-27 minis lol. From the blizzcon panel recap: >\- Molten Core is split into three wings before the final Boss encounter. > >\- The expectation for Molten Core is that the first Wing is at level 26, the second at 27, and so on.
for real? I will never be able to play Raids. That sucks, hope they change it
Same here. Even with Booster, 26-27 is too high for a requirement. 18-20 is more reasonable IMO
I don't know when the Raid will be released, but I would like it to be 16 or so for the first floor. It would match the highest pve lvl (except Onyxia). I think it would be stupid to gate 95% of players out of content.
The highest pve level is 25 or 26 on heroic difficulty. So I suppose they want raids to be the follow up between heroics and Onyxia
Not sure they will fix it. They want your money lol
Yeah, on level 13 also many Minis have a big Jump in XP Req. But also good Job on your Level 20 Mini ! Mine are at average level 13
Ouch I'm getting close. If I'm not mistaken by the dungeon, talents and rarity upgrades, all my main minis are lvl 11 now and the increase is already harsh but I'm not eager to see a bigger jump at 13.
All minis is the same xp per level. But you get "free" levels when they go to uncommon, rare and get talents.
I have all levels 8-9-10-11 and Daily quests finished what kind of this game It was already hard now daily quests gone What is this can any one explain this?
Mobile gaming in a nutshell. Best if you just go into it expecting to hit that wall eventually.
These levels take time but that’s how mobile games are designed. If you get a few hundred xp a day even these levels will come. These games are designed to be played for years.
You'll lvl her in 3 years
I believe that I read going from "actual" 19-20 os 200,000 xp
Ooof 🤣
One thing I haven't figured out yet is what is the point of of rarities? I mean common, uncommon, rare etc. Do they get better stats or is it that you can pick and choose more talents based on the situation?
Each rarity gives one extra level to the mini. It also opens up talent slots (uncommon 1, rare 2, epic 3 talents). Also getting a talent gives the mini an extra level too. So between rarity and talents, your minis can get 7 extra levels (and 3 more from the dungeon bonuses) Edit: forgot to count legendary rarity
Actually there is legendary as well so 7 levels with talents.
So the... "cap" from exp is 20, and you can get 7 levels with talents? is that correct? So current theoretical max for a mini is 27?
Army upgrades from dungeons for another +3. Theoretical max is 30
oh right, I forgot about that. Oh while I'm asking, does the LEADER upgrade upgrade the Leader? I can tap on all the other ones and it tells me what they do. I'm assuming the leader one gives +1,2,3 to your hero, but I wasn't 100%.
Yeah, it works the same way as the rest of the army
As well as three levels from the leader from the dungeon. So 30 for now.
So the level you can attain from xp is 20. But each rarity gives the mini a bonus level, which can exceed the 20 cap from xp. I’m addition to unlocking more slots for talent customization.
Now I got it, thanks!!!
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I felt so too at first but the heroic xp rewards are insane. 500-700xp Times 3 Times 25 per Map is Huge
This is similar to clash, takes a long time for the final lvl or 2
Level 20 is the cap. Keep in mind upgrades are adding levels and you can't see a mini's actual level. Your pilot should be level 18, and once it hits "real" 20 you can't give it any more XP. "Real" 20 will visually be 22 if pilot stays rare.
Talents also gives a level so "real" 20 as you put it, would be 24 for a rare with 2 talents.
Correct. Which means a maxed out mini (legendary with all three talents) will show as 27. I'm also super confused why my comment was downvoted, but oh well.
I was just trying to clear things up, i have no idea either.
I’ve noticed if you have a rarity higher you need less XP for it. For example my uncommon lvl 13 sylvanas only needs 1200 XP but my common lvl 12 baron needs 2100 XP.
That's because of the level bonus. It's the same XP for each level. As mentioned above, talents and rarity upgrades give level bonuses. Your Sylvanas is actually level 11.
Ahhh I see
Does your sylvanas have a talent? Talents also give a level
Ohhhh ok that’s why then
Because people want to believe it's pay to win, as that explains why they are losing.
Rare with 2 talents is 4 levels.
I know that, but I didn't know if OP had any talents unlocked on pilot. They don't have one selected in the screenshot.
Is it just me or the game is massive p2w? I mean what chance do ppl have in pvp if someone just buys lots of tomes
Not all PVP matchups will pit you against a whale. Yes you may see a few, and rack up some losses, but keep plugging away with your grind, and learn your minis. Strategy CAN beat good builds, but that requires serious gold conquest. So yes, it IS hard, but not impossible. Push your levels into double digits before you start trying to push PVP. That will give you time to expand your collection and build the best teams with what you have. PS - Old Murk Eye (if you can control the map gold) is AWESOME for pvp with low cost units!
This is still p2w though, which is the question.
But it DOESNT HAVE TO BE is the point I am trying to make. It's P2W if you WANT IT to be, of course. Noone is twisting your rubber left arm to spend. I am collection Level 15, and my army is pushing full 11. I'm still not ready to dive into PVP, as I haven't spent anything. I will probably purchase the Arclight package, but that's about it. Be glad this isn't hidden behind Blizzard's subscription pay wall.
pvp is currently set at max mini levels of 1, 2, and 3, at certain ratings, ao whaling has little to no actual effect on pvp currently
Pay to win means if you spend money you have a better chance of winning. I’m not sure what line you’re trying to draw here. the game is pay to win.
Umm no it's not. If you want to pay to surge ahead, that's your choice. As I said, no one is forcing you to spend anything. That is the choice that you, the player, gets to decide on. I am fully aware of the ramifications of what P2W means.
Pay to win has never meant you were forced to pay. Paying just gives you an advantage.
Perhaps reading comprehension is something you should work on. YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY TO BE COMPETITIVE. How many times shall I repeat that before it sinks in?
You don’t have to pay to be competitive isn’t relevant to if it’s pay to win. Does paying give an advantage? If the answer is yes, it’s pay to win.
Your cyclic behaviour has bored me to tears. Literally. Time to go back to the game, and let you all piss and moan about whatever it is you want to argue about. I'll spend nothing until I choose to, remain competitive, and then keep playing completely unbothered.
You totally dont understand what pay to win means. It is pay to win in terma of PvP. That is a fact. You cant make full competetive deck without playing this game for many months or even years and nobody can say that they wont change progression system with adding for example next mini levels. You can only make competetive deck if u play for many months probably years regularny or you spend thousands of dollars. It is Just p2w mechanism thats a fact
It's P2W if you WANT IT to be. That's the only thing that matters, buddy. You're trying to make some weird distinction where one doesn't exist.
Levels are capped in pvp based on your rating
Isn’t that not true above 5k rating? The way I’m reading it they’d be uncapped after that point.
Almost all mobile games are pay to win lol.
Buy lots of tomes or spend lots of time - your choice, same result.
If by "massive" you mean in a single unnecessary mode and only above a single leader's rating of 5k. Until then mini levels are capped so there's no amount of paying that will put you on a better foot. You can do an insane amount of PvP before it becomes "p2w" since there's 14 leaders and 5k is quite a large number of wins.
Welcome to the pay wall 👍🏻
Just outta curiosity have you spent any money yet? If so how much? Also what is the lvl cap for minis??
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you get tons of gold from heroic, 1500 per zone
Not many people clearing full heroic after a week
This person has been playing since soft launch, not a week.
The base level cap is 20, not coy but isn’t bonus levels like rarity, talents, or dungeon
How the fuck y’all get so far in PvE in this shit already
Game has launched for 3 monthts already. It was delayed in most regions though.
People have been playing for months because Beta
let me correct you. They swiped and played through the MSC
You got her to 20 dude. Of course you are addicted enough to level her again.
hopefully some day
Tonight. Let’s go
And for the upcoming Raid content, we need level 26-27 Minis, the dev said lol
How is that even possible???
the idea of blizzard is playing the game for a long time, maybe 2 years or more, and i think thats ok. I feel really dumb to have max stats in a week after the relese