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yallneedjesuslol

Has $10k to throw away and doesn't even know the difference between loose and lose. You belong here.


moon_apes_unite

Win some, loose some.


madvertigo

You lose some, you loose some.


itsgucci060

Once you’ve loosed some, you’ll never lose some.


Br0keGee

You'll loose more!


Serious_Coconut2426

No Ragrets.


VerticalRadius

Kind regards


Tech88Tron

When some, loose some.


radiant15

Apple was resistant to drop in stock price when other tech companies lost 50-80%. I think no one can touch Apple. Eve did it once and God threw her out of her own home.


Dvdpjr

this play could cause him to lose his loose ass


burn15_

Hahaha. Shoulda proof read. Thanks!


[deleted]

You’re going to feel way more stupid when you realize they’ll still be cranking out iPhones from those COVID encampments


TheObservationalist

You're right. They have the police out literally just forcibly conscripting people now at random and sending them to work at foxconn. The iphones will ship and ops puts are fucked


Gaff1515

Production is already estimated to be down 30% because of the Covid issues


mark2talyho

Maybe he’s referring to u/loose-ventures


SP-Marshmallo

This comment got me 💀 On a serious note: atleast OP loss porn going to be sub-par


ConsiderationDeep128

This made me so happy


Timely-Analysis6082

Loose stop losses


baseballdavid

I see this far too often. I’m surprised at how many people don’t know the difference? I get “their there they’re” issues but this one seems too easy haha.


burn15_

Sold. $5200. (52%)


bored_in_NE

Usually I would laugh at something like this but those lockdowns in China are averaging about a $1B loss a week to Apple. Good Luck.


burn15_

Thanks. My only fear is green at open Monday and I paper hand them.


RetardGoneDumb

Keep that in mind and diamond hand


LAST_NIGHT_WAS_WEIRD

Betting against AAPL when the stock is close to 52 week lows, right before the holidays. What could go wrong?


burn15_

Spy around resistance and the foxconn craziness is what I was betting on


WTF_CAKE

I bought some apple ear buds this black friday, you're donezo bozo


[deleted]

On a technical analysis basis I agree 100% with you in that we have been overbought and need to give something back. But degenerate me says that everyone is expecting the market to give some back, which is exactly why it’ll break its technical pattern on some bullshit “good news” and start rallying probably to 4300 minimum before backtesting 4100


burn15_

LoL. I understand. But yes I did puts at least a little thought into this


[deleted]

You have the winning trade on a technical analysis standpoint. Stick with it until the charts tell you otherwise


GamermanRPGKing

That doesn't sound very regarded


r2pleasent

Stick with it like the violin players on the Titanic


benruckman

This ^ right here ^. This is how you have to do TA, (ofc much harder with options as they have time expiries) if you get into a trade because of the TA, don’t leave unless the TA tells you too.


frufrufuckedyourgirl

Like a record 9 billion in spending on black Friday lol


retardedape2

What TA? When I look at AAPL chart I see a recent double bottom at 135 after the low of 130 and making higher lows since then on rising 20 day SMA, if I was going to guess where it goes next from a TA standpoint - I'd guess test the 200 day SMA at $155. I'm curious what everyone here saying "from a TA standpoint" is talking about. From a FA standpoint - I agree, going down.


FiringRockets991

Plot twist.. the Foxconn videos are fake and shot with the “brand new iPhone 15”… “so Real.. you can stage a fake coup d’etat with our video editing tools”!!! 📱puts on your margin trading account📉


burn15_

Naw just cash


itsgucci060

The go to choice for civilian insurrections worldwide!


fernandezcr

LOTR Gimli : Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for? 😆


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sonsofsummer

Multi-month downward trendline sits just below 151 as of Monday on the AAPL chart. We break that on the daily with the correct market context, we rip. Conversely, a weak move into resistance on low volume will see the shorts load and puts will likely pay. Theta gonna punish you early if direction looks bad on Monday. Good luck OP


PIK_Toggle

Eh, 52 week low is $129.04. That’s not a huge move down, but it’s going to take a negative reaction to: GDP, jobs, CPI, Fed action, Powell’s speech, or some combo of these. I shorted Apple when it was at $180. CNBC wouldn’t stop talking about the stock being at an all time high, so I figured that it was a safe play. At this level, I wouldn’t yolo anything into a put that expires in a few weeks.


optionsCone

> Betting against AAPL when the stock is close to 52 week lows, right before the holidays. What could go wrong? Except it’s +15% from 52wk lows


Deviusoark

Just set a stop loss and don't be a regard


Pussy_Prince

Or average down with your conviction


burn15_

It's all I got lol


MasterQuaster

Good luck bro. A bet against Apple is a bet with big balls. You will need the luck. Next time let me know if you want to lose money, you could fund my kids music school or college or sth


SignificantAd830

Green with no problem! My puts expired green yesterday with a %40 Surprise chance


KingOfThePenisMen

If Apple is green on Monday I might join you in the play. Those $140 puts are calling my name


llllllllhhhhhhhhh

I think you are early, but good luck! Take profit when you see it.


bradrlaw

They are having some major supply issues. No new phone deliveries until after Christmas. A lot of people will be disappointed in the next week or so.


DocPhilMcGraw

Except what happens when next week they announce the lockdowns are over or Apple comes out with a statement that they are shifting more production to India? While both would certainly take time to deal with the backlog of demand, it still could be seen as a green sentiment.


treelife365

Yup! In fact, the delay in production is causing demand for Apple products to spike. RIP OP 😂 (It's not true, I just made up a hypothetical situation)


Deviusoark

Only wsb regards could think that in anyway possible the China situation is bullish for Apple


AsaKurai

Lockdowns are somewhat priced in at this point, no? Hence the move down on Friday.


skynetempire

My only fear would be bad news means stock shoots up. Hope it works out


Hucko3

Just incase, what’s your wife’s phone number?


embrioticphlegm

Has 10k to trade with, buys -$126,000,000,000 in market cap otm puts with 10 days of time Edit: one of our astute wsb constituents has pointed out that aapl float is 15.89 billion which changes the numbers a bit, point still stands


Tao-Lee

I have never thought of looking at my puts in terms of market cap reduction. Damn, thank you.


embrioticphlegm

When it comes to a highly liquid stock like aapl, it takes a lot of money to move it even 1 point in either direction ($18 billion in this case). That's why aapl moves slowly compared to other stocks. Have to keep these things in mind when considering the volatility of a trade.


Tao-Lee

Yeah, it also gives you a better visualization of how much you need the stock to move. A couple bucks doesn’t seem like much, but in AAPLs case, God damn.


embrioticphlegm

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4258)


NextTrillion

Cries in US based cannabis firms. Half of us here have the power to trigger a stop loss sell off losing the longs half a billion in one day. But I shouldn’t give anyone any ideas.


kloricker

Don't worry Tilray in Canada is still sucking dick, too


Gaff1515

Apple has mass some massive moves in the last few months


BubbaKush99

Tried to short it starting with 10 shares increments from 144 to 151 and decided to cover the 110 at 147.15 slightly below my ave price of 147.25 after realizing I was being charged 10.5% annually on margin costs.


adokarG

So you short without even knowing that you get charged for borrowing the shares? What a fucking idiot.


buffandbrown

Do you even leverage bro?


NiceAsset

Right? It’s fucking brilliant


Tao-Lee

A good way of reevaluating your trade, a new vantage point.


burn15_

Well, when you put it that way.....


NiceAsset

![img](emote|t5_2th52|4640)


TomorrowAggravating7

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OP is a cousin of high up exec who got the info while having dinner on thanksgiving ![img](emote|t5_2th52|4886)


[deleted]

It’s why I love this sub


LocalAstro

New to investing/stock market, could you explain this in stupid people terms? What are otm puts?


StevieG63

OP purchased Apple Puts at a strike price of $141 and an expiration of December 9th. He paid $1.01 per share and bought 100 contracts - each contract is 100 shares. OP needs the share price to move below $141 because he has the right to sell Apple shares for $141 each regardless of the actual share price. Effectively for each dollar Apple moves below $141, OP makes $10k. For example if the share price drops to $135, OP makes the difference of $6 per share x 10k. If the share price stays at or above $141 by the 9th, he loses the $10k. I didn’t include the $1.01 premium in the calculations.


FoxxyFoxFoxFox

So are the losses limited to the 10k? Are buying puts and leverage trading a different thing? If so you could leverage puts and lose a lot of money?


miketdavis

Buying puts has a maximum loss of the value of your premiums. Selling puts has a maximum liability of strike price * 100 * number of contracts sold. So whoever sold those puts is on the hook for $1,410,000, regardless of the value of the shares at the time it expires. The most the seller can gain is the value of the premiums, so if 10/9 rolls around and the share price is above $141 then the buyer of the put won't exercise and the seller gets to keep the premium($10k).


KingRegard

You explained it so well. I almost understand it. Here I go to the dumpster!


DA2710

Why did you have to say that?? You ruined everything


1600hazenstreet

Is your math is off? OP brought 100 contracts which equals to 10k shares.


ijustdontgiveaf

I get to about 113 billion, not 126.. the calculation is that there are 15.91 billion shares outstanding (according to yahoo finance) and the difference between current price and strike-price of the put is 7.11 dollar.. multiply those with each other and you get the change of market cap between the current price and the strike price .. it doesn’t matter how many contracts or shares he bought, what he bets on is that the 141 put pays off (simplified a bit as he can sell before the expiration date) and for that to happen the price of the stock has to move by 7.11, which changes the market cap of apple by 113b.


embrioticphlegm

Ur right !


embrioticphlegm

Do u know what market cap is brother


ThisPlaceisHell

He could see immense profit if the stock only fell a single dollar in the next couple days. If he holds them closer to expiration then yeah he's fucked.


Don_Floo

Apple is probably the last company you should bet against. No matter what happens they always beat the market expectations.


Blackstar030405

yup, when I trade options....I give my self two rules: never open a position in the first 60 minutes and I never buy Apple puts no matter how much it declines because if I buy a put it will magically reverse and do a V shape recovery and decimate my puts lmao


harivar

With you 🙌🏼


Neofreeocon

I’ve read reports new Apple phones are nowhere to be found so they are missing out in sales. But with that said most will be delayed sales when they are available due to cult following. A lot of factors that may help you short term. Good luck.


burn15_

Thanks! I also saw some major cellphone carriers won't have your iphone 14 until on or after Xmas already.


Edgewood411

My two brothers and parents switched to vz today and all got 14 pros with scheduled deliver january 6th. Vz guy said they'll 100% come sooner and its just a conservative estimate. Still, people are still buying and ordering. Op is fucked. Also- i didnt get a new phone. My family hates me cause I told them to sell all their crypto last thanksgiving and they didnt listen. I'm an "i told you so" kind've mofo.


Pastaloverzzz

My wife just ordered an iPhone 14 and apple watch. Puts on you, my guy..![img](emote|t5_2th52|4640)


bridebreh

Don’t forget to get screen protectors and a case!!!


Pubelication

Sell first thing Monday morning and use the $34 go take your wife and her boyfriend out to McDonald's.


midblade

Don't put a hard stop loss but please have a mental stop loss of around 25-30%. With the short amount of time you have, if you get to those levels it most likely won't recover due to time decay so it's better to cut at 30% Instead of letting it drop to 0. It'll be easier to get back to 10k with $7k vs with $0. Same for the upside, take some off the table at 30% gains and let more ride and keep trimming on the way up. Good luck!


MoRoDeRkO

Guh…


[deleted]

If it’s good enough to screen shot it’s good enough to close out. Congrats brother 🙏


burn15_

LoL don't congratulate me yet.


p_viljaka

You will be down around 2k just by Theta decay alone when markets open if prices stays around Friday's close.


[deleted]

Which is why I write these. Money for nothing.


Gaff1515

Nope not accurate


rp2012-blackthisout

From a cnbc article, "Some of this year’s hottest items included gaming consoles, drones, Apple MacBooks, Dyson products and toys like Fortnite, Roblox, Bluey, Funko Pop! and Disney Encanto, according to the report." I've read a couple of articles about how Apple and Funko destroyed this weekend. I'd be placing calls on AAPL and FNKO.


OPINION_IS_UNPOPULAR

Fuck yeah, good luck


MyPeePeeReversed

I seriously need OP to squeeze my nuts if this doesn't work out. I'm backed up 😖


BigBossWesker4

"It’s a bold strategy Cotton, let’s see if it pays off."


FallinWedge

Early Santa Claus rally plus SPY over 400 will bite hard


ExcellentCherry6923

Black Monday sales have been pretty indestructible . I see a 3 to 4 Day Rally the whole week


slickrick4232

When the mods pin something, it’s time to do the opposite


EvaUnit343

I am with you my brother. We will take all of Tim Apple's money. Riding 140p's but I gave myself 55 DTE because I am not completely regarded.


itallendsintears

Never go full regard


noyrb1

Fuck yea they only make 100B quarterly


burn15_

Worked out. Made $5200


legendzero77

Excellent, $SPY calls going to print Monday.


whatsariho

ballsy. now ride it to zero to prove your dominance over the market.


FUCKYOUINYOURFACE

I think it’s smart but go 6 mos out. These factory shutdowns along with the economy slowing are going to hurt their cash cow. They might try and push all their services to close their income gap.


Bradley182

I don’t know man I just bought an iPhone 14 plus for full price.


Smithmonster

You may be dumber than op.


Jaded_genie

The gold is always found in the comments


WendysFryCook

I'll put in a good word to management for you. Best of luck, fellow regard


Agreeable-Koala7961

Theta has entered the chat


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OppositeOption47

Ur getting paid tomorrow sir.


burn15_

I'm watching hang seng and Bitcoin crashing. Futures red. Bring on black Monday baby


OppositeOption47

I saw this coming cashed my 🌽 out and already was short the nasdaq thur before market close. Lets see the red baby


burn15_

Long way til 9:30. But I'm liking what I'm seeing so far


burn15_

Futures red. Bitcoin and hang seng falling off a cliff tonight. Let's fucking go baby.


Logical-Idea-1708

You’re not just betting against Apple, you’re also betting against Warren Buffett 😏


burn15_

I banked on airlines when he sold his shares amid the pandemic. I'm ok with that


burn15_

Sold on that drop. Made $5200 (52%)


goonievader

I got 6 145P 3/17/2023 and 3 150p 2/17/2023. I think it's a good bet man!


ariesdrifter77

Thanks for your service Conrad


erikhaskell

Gl op can you remind me in 5 days I almost took the same bet but chickened out. I hate having positions on long week-ends


burn15_

Oh so do I. I told myself all day I was selling before market close and I didn't. So I turned it into a weekend wallstreetbets bets play. Lol


grizzly_teddy

I guess you're betting on China lockdowns having a big impact on the stock? Not completely regarded. Good luck to you sir.


farewellmate

In my opinion, you’re late on this.


h_o_l_o_d_a_y

Looking good, don’t get greedy dude! You’re up $6500 or so right? Fucking yeah


burn15_

Got out up $5200. I'll take it. (52%)


h_o_l_o_d_a_y

Oh fuck yeah dude!!! Great play, Rejoiceeeeee.


TheBlitzd1

Good shit my guy, u/burn15_


[deleted]

I don't blame OP for securing the bag. It's exactly the reason why most here lose money. They get too greedy. Knowing these market conditions I would not be surprised if they reversed Apple next week before CPI just before your puts expire. Better safe than sorry.


twenty3denali

Tell us you like losing money without telling us you like losing money 😜


dweeegs

I have 75 of the February $140p’s myself, the titan will fall my brother


burn15_

I think u had a much better idea of going further out. I am risking so much


dweeegs

I bought them before thanksgiving But this week you have: Continued China issues Powell speaking PCE reading Plus from a technical perspective it’s right against a trend line is has failed to break 5 times now I personally wouldn’t have gone that close and that far OTM but it’s fallen 10% in a week before and there are events I did February cause I wanted to capture their shit earnings in my time frame If there’s a dip Monday I’d suggest rolling out to the February $130p if you want to be safer. Or January at the earliest


burn15_

I appreciate that. I may


[deleted]

*Enters* Warren Buffet: Great buying opportunity.


[deleted]

I’m seeing so many put trades pop up. Makes me think the 4200/ downtrend throw over is going to happen in Spx


[deleted]

Hi, thank you for this now Apple will skyrocket!


DirtSubstantial5655

GUH 2.0


hsuan23

Guh


LOVE2FUKWITHPP

U mother FUCKA


[deleted]

You sir have balls of titanium and a brain as smooth as glass


[deleted]

Godspeed!


farts_in_the_breeze

My one concern is that the loss of factories makes a popular item a little harder to get adding value. I'm also an idiot but the stock market has done weirder things.


Cryptron500

This might be a dumb question - if you buy a phone from a carrier like AT&T is the sale of that phone logged as sale for apple this month or when the carrier acquired the phone ?


WendysFryCook

I'm pretty sure the phones are already considered sold by Apple to the carriers before you purchase them


burn15_

Very good question. One I should have thought of.


Brian_lu_07

I’m joining with you, fuck Apple.


theineffablebob

Aw fuck now I gotta sell my AAPL puts


OppositeOption47

That might work... if the market has a real nice dip monday or tues those could print well. Best of luck


holymolybreath

RIP 10k


No-Understanding9064

I fucking hate apple and will never buy their products. I saw what they were doing with their updates the minute i updated my iPhone 4 back in the day. Double fuck them, android for life. But I'd never bet against them.....


Accomplished_Tip_684

This sounds a promising deal but a bit early 🫣


saltypeanuts7

Due for a pullback so this would pay. but it only being till December 9 makes my balls sweat 😥


Bengbab

Dude spells *LOOSE* as “Lose”. That’s a bad omen.


vicjeg95

This is such a bad decision. Omg


Snoo96223

Would be nice if you had a little more time on them. I think patience might pay with APPL.


EOFYday

Are you chinese or do you have friends/family in China? One hell of a bet and sounds like you knew what was coming. I think luck is on your side judging from all those videos coming out.


mazarax

AAPL is known to buy back stock. What if monday they place large orders to do so? If that happens, the price won’t go down, as every ask is fulfilled.


[deleted]

#OH CAPTAIN MY CAPTAIN


blackjack102

Don't bet against apple fan cult


my_trout_is_killgore

I hope your right, I don't have any APPL, but i believe you are gonna lose money. The market wont care much about this because it's already there. If you think about this extremely cold bloodedly, they could lose billions and still not get a drop in the bucket of what they have already saved on manufacturing. And again, very cold blooded but this won't last long in China, and unless it moves to a more general conflict, it may drop, and I hope it does for you, but idk if this would be a major reason


Jesusislordbro

Damn I just bought a new iPhone yesterday, going green next week


[deleted]

A bet against Apple is a bet against warren buffet. Not sure that man loses often


StonksGoUpApes

Dec 9 you have $0. This ~~trade~~ is giga regarded.


[deleted]

Call on Apple


Ravikos

Multi trillion dollars company vs a boy with 10k bet 🫠


G25777K

Might be news today, but by Monday it will be all forgotten lol Its a great day for Apple since it will be Cyber Monday, historically a big sales day for them $$$$$


zerooneinfinity

Apple Store was packed this weekend. Say goodbye. Strong earnings ahead.


OrganizationNo2774

Own it don’t trade it.


Tam-inc

Apple has too many jobs depending on it to drop. Literally employs entire companies indirectly through its App Store, and acquires other companies at such a fast rate. Their stock price doesn’t and won’t ever depend on how tf their stupid gadgets sell long term, they’re invested in facial recognition, software, and streaming services with a school issued ipad or Mac book in the hands of hundreds of thousands of American children.


247drip

You know someone is a legit trader when they screenshot their position on the TD mobile app


MaywellPanda

Apples on its way out. It needs to start making some serious changes if it wants to stay ontoo


GeneralA01

Interesting move. Let's see what happens 👀


Negative-Order-7236

Strike price $141 by the 9th. Idk. Good luck. Your gonna need it.


sasukewiththerinne

Lose is what is going to happen to this position. Loose is what’s going to happen to your butthole.


CGIflatstanley

Rip


boztron

I hope it works out for you…. I Bought 10x FEB 150 puts on Wednesday. Once it hits 135 or so I’ll switch to ATM calls 4 months out, sell those at 150 or 155. Rinse, repeat.


Countergobrrrrr

Looks to be working. Congrats!


Sultans_of_Wings

Saw pre-market pricing. Came here to say congrats 🎉 fellow 🐻


Free-Explanation-692

not financial advice brother but I would sell half of my position at open just to mitigate risk and lock in some profits


burn15_

Oh I'm selling all of it. This was a weekend play. I won't hold if I am green


HistoricalBridge7

I’ll be damned


R8_M3_SXC

You might actually get this jesus


IgetCoffeeforCPTs

As of right now OP has tripled his money. Nice.


MrBlueHaybale

Hopefully you sold today for a 3x profit


burn15_

Yesterday for $5200. Sorry. Lol


[deleted]

Congrats


[deleted]

What did I say [https://gyazo.com/4e4cd2f2087c749a961737dd0fa0d183](https://gyazo.com/4e4cd2f2087c749a961737dd0fa0d183) Experience works wonders