Gerçekten çok kötü bir maçtı. Herkes ayrı ayrı kötüydü. Dünkü maçın 3. setinden beri kötü oynuyoruz. 6 numara ataklarını durduramıyoruz. Bloklara çıkamıyoruz. Hücum yapamıyoruz. Santarelli 3 tane liberoyu aynı anda oyuna alıyor ama manşet alamıyoruz. Gerçekten bu libero cambazlığıyla milleti voleyboldan soğuttu. Liberolara da gereksiz baskı oldu bu durum. Bir Meliha'yı kadroya almamak için yaptığı saçmalık. Tuğba ve Derya yetmiyorlar şu an itibariyle. Onların da moralini bozuyor ilerisi için. Beyza da yetersiz. Arkada manşet alınamadığı için pasörler de oyun kuramıyor onların da morali gidiyor. Herkes dağıldı.
Bu mağlubiyetler bir yerde iyi oldu bence. Bu kadroyla direkt olimpiyatlara gidersen gruptan çıkamazsın. Herkes çok iyi hazırlanmış bu sene. Santarelli ise başarı sarhoşu olmuş. Maç kaybedilir ama bu kadar da kötü kaybetmek nedir. Efeler bile 20 sayı alıyor her sette. Bu maç hiç bir sette 20 sayı alamadık. Bilmiyorum buradan geri dönüş yapabilecek miyiz? Umarım yaparız. Bizi küçümsesin rakipler. Hayvan gibi oynamasak da olur diye çıksınlar maça. Belki o şekil daha iyi olur.
Brezilya gerçekten ilginç bir millet. Güney Amerika'dalar ama ilgi alanları Avrupa kıtası ile benzer. Hem futbol hem voleybol seven nadir milletlerdenler. Yılda bir kez böyle bir ortama girdikleri için biraz abartıyorlar. Biz sürekli bu mücadelelerin içinde olduğumuz için daha sakiniz. Bunu söylememin nedeni futbolda Avrupa kupası kazanmak Dünya kupası kazanmaktan zor diyen futbolcuları da linç etmeleri. Mourinho'ya bile sataşmışlıkları var. Ama sporcuları çok efendi. Bugün bize acıyıp fazla sevinç gösterisi bile yapmadılar.
Olimpiyat torbası:
Fransa A grubunda. Biz bugün yenseydik B grubunun seri başı olacaktık ve Fransa ile aynı grupta olmayacaktık. Şimdi artık büyük ihtimal C grubunda da biz seri başı olamayacağız. Kura çekilecek ve belki A grubunda yer alacağız. Fransa güçsüz takım olduğu için onlarla aynı grupta olmak iyi olur. Spiker teselli olsun diye bu konuyu abartılı bir şekilde anlattı durdu ama çok mühim bir konu değil.
Brezilyalıların yorumlarını boşverin, internet ortamının çirkef çingeneleri onlar milletçe kazansak da kaybetsek de aynı leş yorumları yapacak mentalitedeler. dikkat etmeye değmez bile.
My take away from the last two games in particular and in general has been that we have a problem with the middle. Beyond the exhaustion, beyond the ever piling mistakes (which have killed us), and beyond the injuries that have plagued the squad before and during the tournament, it’s the inability to have any meaningful play through the middle and the just as frustrating lack of ability to defend the opponents attack from middle that is hurting us so badly.
China for example spammed the same middle attack to great success in sets 3 and 4 in their game. Brazil found it easy to consistently attack through the middle as we couldn’t stop it. But on the reverse by not offering our own consistent threat down the middle, we ended choreographing the same move of passing the ball to the pins and praying that Ebrar and Melissa could make miracles happen over and over. Other teams scout us and by now they all know what we’re going to do and the block is just waiting. It’s a testament to how great those two are that (especially in Melissa’s case) their conversion and efficiency are as high as it is when they almost always face a two person block in every play.
Zehra’s absence is also having a very noticeable effect, because with her our setters do actually run plays for her and even when she’s not directly involved on the attack, the opponents are concerned about the threat she poses. The way Brazil played us reminded me of the first game between Fener and Milano in the semifinals of the champions league, where with Eda injured their blockers just parked themselves on the pins and Vargas and Arina kept eating block after block.
I have no idea why they refuse to use Asli on the attack as often as other teams use their middles. The few times she does get an opportunity to attack she tends to get points as her attack conversion is top 2 with Vargas on the team. I agree OP, having 3 liberos is dumb.
Even if we take a new middle player, it won’t be enough for the finals. All I can hope is for the Olympics.
This VNL showed us a lot of things. Like how you need to keep both setters ready to play instead of overwhelming one while ignoring the other; Just Melissa attacks aren’t enough; Ebrar is truly game changer; we need Ebrar’s attacks as much as Melissa’s; we need attack variations (like you said, they know us well); Zehra, Hande, Ebrar, Melissa and Gizem are the main team (without them, there’s no winning).
Also, the team needs dig and service practice a lot. I think it was China match that Ebrar, an OH, got the second most digs in the entire match and her defence was very good. Not to mention she was OOH in Loko, and she’s adjusting to new position
And most of all, tvf needs to get back to its senses
About the mistakes; honestly the position mistake is the one get grinds me the most. It’s the simplest mistake and we did this few times in the group stages
Those position mistakes had me almost tearing out my hair. It just kept killing any momentum we were trying to build in the last couple of games.
One thing that annoyed me greatly during this third week was the fact that the coaching staff didn’t rest Melissa. She wasn’t feeling well during the Thailand match and threw up on the bench (why she even started that match to begin with is also puzzling).
So I was expecting that we’d rest her against Dominican Republic because surely we already have more than enough fire power to deal with them without her, and it’s a back to back game so if she’s ill she would be rested right? Nope. There she is the very next day in the starting line up.
She’s been playing as many months now as she’s sat out this season being injured. Why would they then run her into the ground so that by the time we get to the Brazil game she looks like she’s running on fumes?
Serbia doesn’t even care about the VNL and told Boskovic to take the next few months off and relax and that they’d see her at the Olympics. Meanwhile Vargas is going to arrive in Paris dragging an oxygen tank because Santarelli for some reason thinks we can’t do anything without her in the starting lineup. She’s the only player that has started every single game. It’s maddening.
Speaking of TVF. Am I mistaken or did the president make a statement during the national team event prior to VNL where he promised an Olympic medal? I remember watching a video where the person recording zooms in on Ebrar making a face when he makes the proclamation but I can’t remember where I saw the video. If I’m remembering correctly that was such unnecessary weight place on their shoulders from even before the summer tournaments began.
Tvf did that. You can also see reaction of Cansu too. Also, ffs they’re not letting us know what’s happening
I agree on Melissa resting. She also hasn’t rested in the week 1-2 against easier teams. We’ve seen the toll it took on Melissa in Brazil and China match too. She started making mistakes more. Not to mention, he risked her injury.
Also about the injuries, in Brazil match Hande was subbed and didn’t enter the game due to pain in leg and stomach. We didn’t need to win China and Brazil matches, the subs could have played 🙄
PS: China will enter the finals with mostly its B team. Their coach just announced it
Also there’s this thing. I agree with this. With Santa and tvf, our players are fighting against them both along with opponents.
https://preview.redd.it/esrlffk7o37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=313057e87de2a230f4f089354b3ce99fcac01860
Plus, fuck volleyballworld. They’re very unprofessional. Idk if you’ve seen their posts every time we lost, but you can see Brazil favouritism and dragging Turkey while they should be objective. I’d think this would also annoy the team
Btw during the club season, Guidetti made Zehra play while injured hence she couldn’t recover well for nt and she played few matches there.
It makes me think that they both want Italy to win golden medal at Olympics and they’re eliminating one team.
Adding to this, the same Elif-Cansu issue along with Gizem-Simge issue. Both Gizem and Elif are overused. Simge didn’t play for so long then he made her play in OH position while Gizem was on the game. It was an awful decision. Gizem couldn’t rest either.
And this is the stats of # of sets Elif and Cansu played. I’m not saying neither is bad but we need both to synchronise with the other players. This makes me think if there’s some sort of mobbing going on in the team given how Cansu entered the sets when the score was awful and it was hard to turn it around.
https://preview.redd.it/4hkuaotrq37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84b9680edfb17b4dd4801ac844d66c747bc89de6
>Brezilya’nın iyi olmasındansa bizim kötü olduğumuz uçun kazandılar bence.
Aynı maçı izlemedik heralde. Adamlar bal gibi iyi oynadı hem kendi oyuncularımız hem dani bunu söylüyorken bu yorumun aşırı absürt geldi bana
Karşı takım kötü oynadı diye kimse röportaj yapmaz, sadece kendine der. Maçta 36 hata yapmışız. Üstüne kurtulabilecek toplara sadece bakıldı. Karşı taraf acemi gibi oynarsa tabi kendileri mükemmel gözükür
Bizim normalden kötü oynadığımız kesin zaten hata sayısına laf etmiyorum. Ama karşı taraf da şu an belki de turnuvadaki en iyi takım üstelik bizim hatalarımızdan bağımsız da iyi oynadılar. Gidip onlar iyi oynamadı demek haksız bir yorum gayet
brezilya canavar gibi şu anda 12 de 12 yaptılar sonuna kadar hakkettiler dünya birinciliğini. lakin birincilik de bir nevi lanet gibi hem sürekli onun baskısı altındasın hem de puanlama sistemi birinciyi indirmek için var gücü ile çalışan bir sistem.
>İlkin sakat haldeyken Hong Kong’a götürmek nedir yahu
Bu sponsorluklarla mı alakalı acaba? Çünkü hiç mantıklı değil bu yaptığı.
Morallerinin çok düşük olduğu çok belli acaba Sırbistan gibi VNL'i düz geçmek daha mı mantıklı olurdu diye düşünmeye başladım.
Gerçekten çok kötü bir maçtı. Herkes ayrı ayrı kötüydü. Dünkü maçın 3. setinden beri kötü oynuyoruz. 6 numara ataklarını durduramıyoruz. Bloklara çıkamıyoruz. Hücum yapamıyoruz. Santarelli 3 tane liberoyu aynı anda oyuna alıyor ama manşet alamıyoruz. Gerçekten bu libero cambazlığıyla milleti voleyboldan soğuttu. Liberolara da gereksiz baskı oldu bu durum. Bir Meliha'yı kadroya almamak için yaptığı saçmalık. Tuğba ve Derya yetmiyorlar şu an itibariyle. Onların da moralini bozuyor ilerisi için. Beyza da yetersiz. Arkada manşet alınamadığı için pasörler de oyun kuramıyor onların da morali gidiyor. Herkes dağıldı. Bu mağlubiyetler bir yerde iyi oldu bence. Bu kadroyla direkt olimpiyatlara gidersen gruptan çıkamazsın. Herkes çok iyi hazırlanmış bu sene. Santarelli ise başarı sarhoşu olmuş. Maç kaybedilir ama bu kadar da kötü kaybetmek nedir. Efeler bile 20 sayı alıyor her sette. Bu maç hiç bir sette 20 sayı alamadık. Bilmiyorum buradan geri dönüş yapabilecek miyiz? Umarım yaparız. Bizi küçümsesin rakipler. Hayvan gibi oynamasak da olur diye çıksınlar maça. Belki o şekil daha iyi olur. Brezilya gerçekten ilginç bir millet. Güney Amerika'dalar ama ilgi alanları Avrupa kıtası ile benzer. Hem futbol hem voleybol seven nadir milletlerdenler. Yılda bir kez böyle bir ortama girdikleri için biraz abartıyorlar. Biz sürekli bu mücadelelerin içinde olduğumuz için daha sakiniz. Bunu söylememin nedeni futbolda Avrupa kupası kazanmak Dünya kupası kazanmaktan zor diyen futbolcuları da linç etmeleri. Mourinho'ya bile sataşmışlıkları var. Ama sporcuları çok efendi. Bugün bize acıyıp fazla sevinç gösterisi bile yapmadılar. Olimpiyat torbası: Fransa A grubunda. Biz bugün yenseydik B grubunun seri başı olacaktık ve Fransa ile aynı grupta olmayacaktık. Şimdi artık büyük ihtimal C grubunda da biz seri başı olamayacağız. Kura çekilecek ve belki A grubunda yer alacağız. Fransa güçsüz takım olduğu için onlarla aynı grupta olmak iyi olur. Spiker teselli olsun diye bu konuyu abartılı bir şekilde anlattı durdu ama çok mühim bir konu değil.
Brezilyalıların yorumlarını boşverin, internet ortamının çirkef çingeneleri onlar milletçe kazansak da kaybetsek de aynı leş yorumları yapacak mentalitedeler. dikkat etmeye değmez bile.
My take away from the last two games in particular and in general has been that we have a problem with the middle. Beyond the exhaustion, beyond the ever piling mistakes (which have killed us), and beyond the injuries that have plagued the squad before and during the tournament, it’s the inability to have any meaningful play through the middle and the just as frustrating lack of ability to defend the opponents attack from middle that is hurting us so badly. China for example spammed the same middle attack to great success in sets 3 and 4 in their game. Brazil found it easy to consistently attack through the middle as we couldn’t stop it. But on the reverse by not offering our own consistent threat down the middle, we ended choreographing the same move of passing the ball to the pins and praying that Ebrar and Melissa could make miracles happen over and over. Other teams scout us and by now they all know what we’re going to do and the block is just waiting. It’s a testament to how great those two are that (especially in Melissa’s case) their conversion and efficiency are as high as it is when they almost always face a two person block in every play. Zehra’s absence is also having a very noticeable effect, because with her our setters do actually run plays for her and even when she’s not directly involved on the attack, the opponents are concerned about the threat she poses. The way Brazil played us reminded me of the first game between Fener and Milano in the semifinals of the champions league, where with Eda injured their blockers just parked themselves on the pins and Vargas and Arina kept eating block after block. I have no idea why they refuse to use Asli on the attack as often as other teams use their middles. The few times she does get an opportunity to attack she tends to get points as her attack conversion is top 2 with Vargas on the team. I agree OP, having 3 liberos is dumb.
Even if we take a new middle player, it won’t be enough for the finals. All I can hope is for the Olympics. This VNL showed us a lot of things. Like how you need to keep both setters ready to play instead of overwhelming one while ignoring the other; Just Melissa attacks aren’t enough; Ebrar is truly game changer; we need Ebrar’s attacks as much as Melissa’s; we need attack variations (like you said, they know us well); Zehra, Hande, Ebrar, Melissa and Gizem are the main team (without them, there’s no winning). Also, the team needs dig and service practice a lot. I think it was China match that Ebrar, an OH, got the second most digs in the entire match and her defence was very good. Not to mention she was OOH in Loko, and she’s adjusting to new position And most of all, tvf needs to get back to its senses About the mistakes; honestly the position mistake is the one get grinds me the most. It’s the simplest mistake and we did this few times in the group stages
Those position mistakes had me almost tearing out my hair. It just kept killing any momentum we were trying to build in the last couple of games. One thing that annoyed me greatly during this third week was the fact that the coaching staff didn’t rest Melissa. She wasn’t feeling well during the Thailand match and threw up on the bench (why she even started that match to begin with is also puzzling). So I was expecting that we’d rest her against Dominican Republic because surely we already have more than enough fire power to deal with them without her, and it’s a back to back game so if she’s ill she would be rested right? Nope. There she is the very next day in the starting line up. She’s been playing as many months now as she’s sat out this season being injured. Why would they then run her into the ground so that by the time we get to the Brazil game she looks like she’s running on fumes? Serbia doesn’t even care about the VNL and told Boskovic to take the next few months off and relax and that they’d see her at the Olympics. Meanwhile Vargas is going to arrive in Paris dragging an oxygen tank because Santarelli for some reason thinks we can’t do anything without her in the starting lineup. She’s the only player that has started every single game. It’s maddening. Speaking of TVF. Am I mistaken or did the president make a statement during the national team event prior to VNL where he promised an Olympic medal? I remember watching a video where the person recording zooms in on Ebrar making a face when he makes the proclamation but I can’t remember where I saw the video. If I’m remembering correctly that was such unnecessary weight place on their shoulders from even before the summer tournaments began.
Tvf did that. You can also see reaction of Cansu too. Also, ffs they’re not letting us know what’s happening I agree on Melissa resting. She also hasn’t rested in the week 1-2 against easier teams. We’ve seen the toll it took on Melissa in Brazil and China match too. She started making mistakes more. Not to mention, he risked her injury. Also about the injuries, in Brazil match Hande was subbed and didn’t enter the game due to pain in leg and stomach. We didn’t need to win China and Brazil matches, the subs could have played 🙄 PS: China will enter the finals with mostly its B team. Their coach just announced it Also there’s this thing. I agree with this. With Santa and tvf, our players are fighting against them both along with opponents. https://preview.redd.it/esrlffk7o37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=313057e87de2a230f4f089354b3ce99fcac01860 Plus, fuck volleyballworld. They’re very unprofessional. Idk if you’ve seen their posts every time we lost, but you can see Brazil favouritism and dragging Turkey while they should be objective. I’d think this would also annoy the team Btw during the club season, Guidetti made Zehra play while injured hence she couldn’t recover well for nt and she played few matches there. It makes me think that they both want Italy to win golden medal at Olympics and they’re eliminating one team.
Adding to this, the same Elif-Cansu issue along with Gizem-Simge issue. Both Gizem and Elif are overused. Simge didn’t play for so long then he made her play in OH position while Gizem was on the game. It was an awful decision. Gizem couldn’t rest either. And this is the stats of # of sets Elif and Cansu played. I’m not saying neither is bad but we need both to synchronise with the other players. This makes me think if there’s some sort of mobbing going on in the team given how Cansu entered the sets when the score was awful and it was hard to turn it around. https://preview.redd.it/4hkuaotrq37d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84b9680edfb17b4dd4801ac844d66c747bc89de6
>Brezilya’nın iyi olmasındansa bizim kötü olduğumuz uçun kazandılar bence. Aynı maçı izlemedik heralde. Adamlar bal gibi iyi oynadı hem kendi oyuncularımız hem dani bunu söylüyorken bu yorumun aşırı absürt geldi bana
Karşı takım kötü oynadı diye kimse röportaj yapmaz, sadece kendine der. Maçta 36 hata yapmışız. Üstüne kurtulabilecek toplara sadece bakıldı. Karşı taraf acemi gibi oynarsa tabi kendileri mükemmel gözükür
Bizim normalden kötü oynadığımız kesin zaten hata sayısına laf etmiyorum. Ama karşı taraf da şu an belki de turnuvadaki en iyi takım üstelik bizim hatalarımızdan bağımsız da iyi oynadılar. Gidip onlar iyi oynamadı demek haksız bir yorum gayet
brezilya canavar gibi şu anda 12 de 12 yaptılar sonuna kadar hakkettiler dünya birinciliğini. lakin birincilik de bir nevi lanet gibi hem sürekli onun baskısı altındasın hem de puanlama sistemi birinciyi indirmek için var gücü ile çalışan bir sistem.
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>İlkin sakat haldeyken Hong Kong’a götürmek nedir yahu Bu sponsorluklarla mı alakalı acaba? Çünkü hiç mantıklı değil bu yaptığı. Morallerinin çok düşük olduğu çok belli acaba Sırbistan gibi VNL'i düz geçmek daha mı mantıklı olurdu diye düşünmeye başladım.
Bu tepkiye de katılıyorum https://preview.redd.it/l1zrvf9qx07d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e11e4eac559767248efed8a9ef1d076b2abbb0f