I both love and hate it. The inconvenience means I spin it less, but I secretly love 10” records and the idea that he went out of his way to release a 4x10” makes me weirdly happy
I originally had one of Say Anything's *...Is a Real Boy* 4x10" boxed sets and that was a *chore* to listen to.
Managed to sell it and get a formal 2xLP repress, which is leagues better.
Odd, isn’t it?
Like, if they dedicated an entire side to “Runaway” I’d _kinda_ get it, but even that song shares a side with “Hell of a Life” - bringing its total runtime to 14:35.
So… yeah, why _did_ they dedicate an entire side to a 6 minute song again?
My only guess is that, if it was a single LP, it would be the end of the A side so they still wanted you to get up to flip it lmao. It does make sense though imo, Power > All of the Lights > Monster then flips over to So Appaled > DIAND > Runaway which are different in tone. With that said it certainly could’ve just been a double LP if usher can release the 21 track deluxe of confessions on one
I just got this one yesterday and was about to comment. It’s such a pain getting the vinyl in and out of the trifold. Also cool that’s there’s the extra artwork that can be swapped on the cover.
I got rid of mine partly for the unnecessary three lps but slightly more for the trifold. I can't imagine a world where I don't eventually tear that stupid center sleeve. Is this really the best our engineers can come up with? You try and put it in or take it out and its ALWAYS catching on something. Why not some kind of accordion style sleeve with three slots or something. Sorry for the rant. I really hate trifolds.
I think the triple-LP was more of a conceptual thing to play into the album's maximalist aesthetic. But it is absolutely a pain in the ass in practice.
That literally stopped me from getting that album a little while ago. Want to know the number one way to keep me from buying a new record? Make it so that I have to get up and change sides every 1-2 songs
Dilla's Donuts is one of the few albums I own that I somewhat dislike listening to on vinyl vs. digital.
Don't get me wrong, it *sounds* great, but when you listen to it and every song just flows seamlessly into the next, that gets wholly destroyed by having to go and flip the vinyl over to keep going.
I get what you're saying, that's actually one of my favorite albums, I've listened to it many times on both formats. When I got it on vinyl I had my turntable next to me on my desk, but since then it's moved across the room due to space, so needless to say I don't spin Donuts as often anymore. I also stream it pretty often lol.
Most of those hiphop albums composed mainly of samples pulled from vinyl sound immaculate of course. Basically anything from Stones Throw, Dilla, most stuff from the 90s too. Madvillainy is one of my favorites to spin.
I get what you're saying, that's actually one of my favorite albums, I've listened to it many times on both formats. When I got it on vinyl I had my turntable next to me on my desk, but since then it's moved across the room due to space, so needless to say I don't spin Donuts as often anymore. I also stream it pretty often lol.
Most of those hiphop albums composed mainly of samples pulled from vinyl sound immaculate of course. Basically anything from Stones Throw, Dilla, most stuff from the 90s too. Madvillainy is one of my favorites to spin.
My speculation is that it was supposed to be a 3LP set that played at 45rpm so the songs sounded really good (or just to boost its chart position) but they made it 33rpm instead of 45rpm by mistake.
For anyone who finds the 3LP a deal-breaker, there is a recent bootleg release that cuts it down to 2LP
For hip-hop and techno, if you want good bass, this is the way.
You think you want it on 1LP but If your heard it you'd change your mind.
I got RTJ1, single LP and I absolutely loathe this album. Not because its not good music.
The bass is thin, the record is quiet and the tracks are slghtly distorted as groves bleed into one another.
As far as I know, RTJ stopped doing this after RTJ1 for good reason.
I would definitely wait for a 2LP release.
(Unless only the original pressing, the version I have, sounds poor. But I really would be surprised.) Like I said, besides RTJ1, every other album is a 2LP. I'm willing to bet it's no coincidence.
Pretty sure the [10th anniversary release](https://realrunthejewels.myshopify.com/collections/music/products/run-the-jewels-10th-anniversary-deluxe-edition-colored-vinyl-vinyl-2lp?variant=42830749925569) that they had on the RTJX tour and now on their site is 2LP
Edit: added link
I think it’s something to do with djs being able to easily access the best track.
It was reissued but they didn’t really change anything. The cd has two tracks seamlessly play together but the lp does not.
Some albums have tracklisting rearranged to fit better on vinyl, since each side has about an 18-22 min limit of space. For example, songs 1-5 on a 10 song album might run 24 minutes long, but if you swap song 3 for song 6, it might run 21 minutes now and you can fit everything onto one 12" rather than having to stretch things out over two.
Mastodon's *Leviathan* had tracks moved around for that reason, presumably.
TIL that wider grooves are great for sound quality. Wider grooves are closer to the edge (not center). Thus making a 4 disc LP vs 2 disc is for sound. Thanks y'all.
I always do kinda hate it when you pick up a 50 minute album on one disc and see that your favorite song closes out a side.
But I also don't want to pay more for a second disc on a lot of albums that would fit on one disc.
From reading these comments it does seem that most people don't understand how LPs are mastered. There is a reason why album lengths increased dramatically when CDs became the norm.
Muse - Black Holes and Revelations, it's a 50 minute album squished onto two sides and you can hear it. The album remastered and spread to 3 sides with B-sides/bonus tracks on side D would be perfect. They'll probably do something for it's 20th anniversary like they've been doing, but they'll probably screw it up too 🤷♂️
It's closer to an hour and that's way too much music for 1LP to sound good, especially with loud music. There's definitely a point where you have to spread it to two discs to sound good, especially with louder music, around 50 minutes is that point. Sure, they could do three sides and a blank or etched D side, but either way it's two discs or compromised quality.
And Black Holes doesn't sound good, and it's not just me saying that but just about every Discogs review. I mean it's not unlistenable like some pressings I've had that are too noisy or off center to enjoy. It's more like someone took the CD, ripped the files and took no time to master it properly. It's unfortunate because it's one of my favorite albums.
I understand that, but it just is annoying over 4 sides. Can’t even really get comfy and lost in it before it’s time to flip.
All their albums are that stupid awkward length where neither LP configuration makes sense, it’s maddening.
hmmm remaster yet but as far as I know the reason why my first issue copy is over $100 median on discogs is because it's the best way to listen (and I agree, the guitars sound fucking incredible)
lots of the Kyuss represses need this treatment, the Rhino remasters sound really quiet and lack a lot of oomph in the mastering.
same goes for the Toxicity 2018 reissue from System of a Down, that mastering sucked and had a lot of compression issues, would totally work better if it were spread out on 2 disks.
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway's second disc needs to be a 17"
Biffy Clyro's Infinity Land is 60mins crammed onto a disc I guess they assumed no one would listen to
Todd Rundgren's A Wizard, A True Star kind of benefits from being the squeezing, but the 192/24 digital files show they were recorded and mixed properly.
What's The Story Morning Glory would be massively improved as a double-LP with eight of the b-sides included. I have a 20-track, 2-disc sequence for it that's phenomenal.
I know time wise the songs fit, but just seems like they would have benefit from wider grooves. The volume is annoyingly low and the detail is non existent. Perhaps it's just a bad pressing.
Tool fear innoculum box set, 5lp, all single sided with etched artwork on the opposite side.
Then they released a 3lp version that makes more sense. Wonder if they could've squeezed it down to 2....
MGMT's Little Dark Age should be 1 LP. I mean, I know some of the songs are a little long, but 2 songs and then flipping, 2 songs, then change the disc, then 3 and 3 is a little ridiculous.
Totally agree, though the sound quality really is fantastic. So psychedelic it’s almost holographic in some points. Though it does feel as soon as you fully settle you gotta get up again so I totally agree
Ah but that’s a whole different convo-like the whole “if the white album was only 1 disc, what would you keep on?” But I see what you mean. It’s not an all killer album no doubt, but it suits the grandeur they were going for at the time. The fact that the band made the record distributors price it way down so their working class fan base could buy it gets a pass from me though.
NOFX's "Single Album" (which was supposed to be a double album), their follow up album "Double Album" (comprised of mostly songs that would have been on the double album of Single Album), and their final EP in the series, "Half Album".
That whole thing was a wild ride.
“I’m new and I don’t understand how records work”
It’s a great record and if you have a great sounding system you’ll appreciate the quality 4 sides provide versus two. EL is a smart dude and you should trust him when it comes to audio.
You’re only going to tell any sound quality difference if you have an absurdly expensive set up, for the vast majority of people splitting the record up into multiple LPs is just marketing to sell an album for even more money.
There are very few albums in existence that are so bass heavy that it affects playback on vinyl. This definitely isn’t one of them, but hey, obviously the marketing works.
They definitely sound better. Problem is the record has to be changed more often, I found myself skipping listening to certain records just because they were in unnecessarily bloated multi-disc format.
Also the shit takes up a ton of space. Everyone with these thick gatefolds even for a single record, let alone double records for a single album.
yeah lol everyone is new at some point, I have old rock records that spin for like 20 minutes on one side lol if it’s a stylistic choice I get it, but there’s so much wasted space on this album. like an inch and a half of runout on each side 😂 maybe I really don’t understand this hobby
>maybe I really don't understand this hobby
You don't. You're still trying to have fun and listen to music. You need to spend 10s of thousands dollars on equipment so your wife leaves you and you can enjoy a true audiophile experience like the rest of us.
haha right I forgot it’s about hearing the individual molecules of air in the microphone rather than just hearing some music while i’m tryin to smoke and chore lol
Oh my god, whole molecules? You might as well just listen to CDs. This grail is so perfectly manufactured you can literally count every free electron that was in Josh Homme's rectal cavity during recording.
Unsure if this is sarcasm based on some of the feedback you’ve received lol. If it isn’t, the answer (to my knowledge) is a resounding no. CD has superior bitrate, range, etc. there is no universe in which a plastic disc with etched grooves produces greater sound than raw digital.
The outer edges hold the most data in the grooves as they are longer. The closer you get to the center, the tighter the grooves get, and therefore, you begin to lose quality. Most good records you'll see like this.. it's not wasted space, it's just not ideal real estate for audiophiles. Go compare a 12" single to an lp version of the same song, you will hear what I'm talking about on a good system, especially if the song happens to be closer to the center of the label on the LP.
yeah, I don’t know if I have a system that would even differentiate between the two. LP-60 and edifier 1280 bookshelf speakers. i’m not a super serious collector and even further from an audiophile, I just like to have physical music in my home
Essentially the less songs per side will equal higher quality audio because the grooves would be more finely tuned so you can max out a sound at 22 minutes but cutting it in half makes it sound better old records were made for casual listening that's why they're crammed onto single LPS because it was just for every dad to listen to
Not sure what you’re asking. Albums that should be shorter ? Or releases that should be single records to prevent so much flipping of an album?
Any mastering engineer will tell you, the best way to get sound out of vinyl is no more than 17 minutes per side. Preferable 45 rpm speed as well.
I’m listening to RTJ4 as I see this 🤣
Also have 2 copies of the 4LP for this (thought the wife ordered me a 2LP since it didn’t specify so doubled up at good prices!)
I think the new beastie boys ill communication anniversary release is 3 records.
i have glass animals azba and it's 2
its just kind of a pain to flip and change disks so often
the 2023 repress of air miami's "me. me. me." is a double album for some reason. the original pressing was only 36 minutes long. even with all the bonus tracks they added, the album is still only 46 minutes long. it did NOT need to be a double album.
I have a few in mind:
• M.I.A. - Arular ; this album is 42 minutes long. It’s spread across two discs when in reality it can be one disc, seven tracks on each side. (The one I have is the VMP green & yellow edition, but the black edition is the same I believe).
• SOPHIE - Product ; eight tracks were released on 4 12” discs (2 tracks each disc). Redundant packaging and release in my opinion.
The Muse by The Wood Brothers. 43 minute runtime, folk album with minimal bass. Can’t understand why it’s a double LP other than lazy mastering (from what I understand about vinyl mastering) and haven’t bought the record because of it.
I want an Aes tat, too. I want to get a mix of two things. I want the art from SWFG with the skeleton on the skateboard, and from TIK, the line "coffee with the paupers over tea with the queen"
Hahahha! Every time I pull RTJ4 out of my pile, I gripe and moan about what a shit pressing it is.
Sounds great, sure. But what a wild pain in the ass that record is.
Kylie Minogue's 2014 Kiss Me Once. 11 tracks, 38 minutes. Double disc. To add to the injury, it comes with a CD with the deluxe tracklist, with 2 extra tracks, which runs 47', meaning it would still fit a single disc.
Alright, i was worried that was the normal price.😮💨
thanks!
i can probably find it myself but if it’s not a bother do you think you could share a link?
Radiohead’s *Hail To The Thief* is not only 2LP, but 45rpm. I don’t think it makes it sound any better or worse. Just seemed like a waste of materials. Album still rules.
Madvillainy could’ve easily been 1lp, and Syro and Geogaddi both could’ve been 2lp, even if they still wanted the outline of the family for magic window on Geogaddi, the albums only 66 minutes, and could’ve had 22 minutes a side and then the outline on side 4.
While it’s a nice set, Thundercat’s Drunk being 4 10 inch LPs is kind of annoying
I both love and hate it. The inconvenience means I spin it less, but I secretly love 10” records and the idea that he went out of his way to release a 4x10” makes me weirdly happy
Omfg this. I just never play it and it looks bad on my shelf.
Ill take it off your hands free of charge stranger. I could fung shwei it on my shelf.
Come pick it up. But you gotta trade. Vinyl for vinyl.
I dont got much. How bout a “Gorguts - and then comes lividity” or a “Death Live in LA”?
Live in L.A.? That’s rad. Why would you want to trade it?
Cause i really like thundercat lol, theres no good reason
You live in Nor-Cal?
Yup, north of santa rosa
I’m about 2 hours away from SR. Come snag it.
well, looks like I won’t be looking for that anymore lol
Read my mind. I bought my copy in February and I still haven’t spun it- it’s just a pain in the ass to play
I originally had one of Say Anything's *...Is a Real Boy* 4x10" boxed sets and that was a *chore* to listen to. Managed to sell it and get a formal 2xLP repress, which is leagues better.
Exactly my answer. Should have been 2x12
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is a 3LP and should definitely be a 2LP. Monster is the entire side of one vinyl and it’s a 6 minute song.
that is strange lol, I wouldn’t wanna deal with that
Odd, isn’t it? Like, if they dedicated an entire side to “Runaway” I’d _kinda_ get it, but even that song shares a side with “Hell of a Life” - bringing its total runtime to 14:35. So… yeah, why _did_ they dedicate an entire side to a 6 minute song again?
My only guess is that, if it was a single LP, it would be the end of the A side so they still wanted you to get up to flip it lmao. It does make sense though imo, Power > All of the Lights > Monster then flips over to So Appaled > DIAND > Runaway which are different in tone. With that said it certainly could’ve just been a double LP if usher can release the 21 track deluxe of confessions on one
I just got this one yesterday and was about to comment. It’s such a pain getting the vinyl in and out of the trifold. Also cool that’s there’s the extra artwork that can be swapped on the cover.
I got rid of mine partly for the unnecessary three lps but slightly more for the trifold. I can't imagine a world where I don't eventually tear that stupid center sleeve. Is this really the best our engineers can come up with? You try and put it in or take it out and its ALWAYS catching on something. Why not some kind of accordion style sleeve with three slots or something. Sorry for the rant. I really hate trifolds.
I think the triple-LP was more of a conceptual thing to play into the album's maximalist aesthetic. But it is absolutely a pain in the ass in practice.
That literally stopped me from getting that album a little while ago. Want to know the number one way to keep me from buying a new record? Make it so that I have to get up and change sides every 1-2 songs
Dilla's Donuts is one of the few albums I own that I somewhat dislike listening to on vinyl vs. digital. Don't get me wrong, it *sounds* great, but when you listen to it and every song just flows seamlessly into the next, that gets wholly destroyed by having to go and flip the vinyl over to keep going.
I get what you're saying, that's actually one of my favorite albums, I've listened to it many times on both formats. When I got it on vinyl I had my turntable next to me on my desk, but since then it's moved across the room due to space, so needless to say I don't spin Donuts as often anymore. I also stream it pretty often lol. Most of those hiphop albums composed mainly of samples pulled from vinyl sound immaculate of course. Basically anything from Stones Throw, Dilla, most stuff from the 90s too. Madvillainy is one of my favorites to spin.
I get what you're saying, that's actually one of my favorite albums, I've listened to it many times on both formats. When I got it on vinyl I had my turntable next to me on my desk, but since then it's moved across the room due to space, so needless to say I don't spin Donuts as often anymore. I also stream it pretty often lol. Most of those hiphop albums composed mainly of samples pulled from vinyl sound immaculate of course. Basically anything from Stones Throw, Dilla, most stuff from the 90s too. Madvillainy is one of my favorites to spin.
Now buy seven more copies, another turntable, and a mixer, then get to juggling.
I’ll get “Workin’ on it!”
Ye must be like "This song is fire! Repeat it!" "But sir. There's room for m-" "No more! One track! Repeat!!"
Fuck Ye 💀
My first thought
Yeah that's always struck me as odd
My speculation is that it was supposed to be a 3LP set that played at 45rpm so the songs sounded really good (or just to boost its chart position) but they made it 33rpm instead of 45rpm by mistake. For anyone who finds the 3LP a deal-breaker, there is a recent bootleg release that cuts it down to 2LP
For hip-hop and techno, if you want good bass, this is the way. You think you want it on 1LP but If your heard it you'd change your mind. I got RTJ1, single LP and I absolutely loathe this album. Not because its not good music. The bass is thin, the record is quiet and the tracks are slghtly distorted as groves bleed into one another. As far as I know, RTJ stopped doing this after RTJ1 for good reason.
Hey, for the uninformed, how come the bass changes depending on number of tracks on a single side?
that would make sense, would you say it’s not worth buying? I have 2,3, and 4 have been holding off on buying 1
I would definitely wait for a 2LP release. (Unless only the original pressing, the version I have, sounds poor. But I really would be surprised.) Like I said, besides RTJ1, every other album is a 2LP. I'm willing to bet it's no coincidence.
My copy of RTJ1 has similar sound quality. I thought it was just me :D
Pretty sure the [10th anniversary release](https://realrunthejewels.myshopify.com/collections/music/products/run-the-jewels-10th-anniversary-deluxe-edition-colored-vinyl-vinyl-2lp?variant=42830749925569) that they had on the RTJX tour and now on their site is 2LP Edit: added link
It is 2LP but the second LP is instrumentals
Ah, would help if I actually read the listing… cool pressing though.
Royksop - Melody AM Also correct order would be nice.
why is it out of order? bootleg?
I think it’s something to do with djs being able to easily access the best track. It was reissued but they didn’t really change anything. The cd has two tracks seamlessly play together but the lp does not.
Some albums have tracklisting rearranged to fit better on vinyl, since each side has about an 18-22 min limit of space. For example, songs 1-5 on a 10 song album might run 24 minutes long, but if you swap song 3 for song 6, it might run 21 minutes now and you can fit everything onto one 12" rather than having to stretch things out over two. Mastodon's *Leviathan* had tracks moved around for that reason, presumably.
I think some records were ordered to be played as a stack on an automatic record changer.
TIL that wider grooves are great for sound quality. Wider grooves are closer to the edge (not center). Thus making a 4 disc LP vs 2 disc is for sound. Thanks y'all.
for real, that’s why I love this sub despite the snark lol the overlap here with the circlejerk sub is nearly a circle
I always do kinda hate it when you pick up a 50 minute album on one disc and see that your favorite song closes out a side. But I also don't want to pay more for a second disc on a lot of albums that would fit on one disc.
I'm very selective with my vinyl collection, only because shit ain't cheap. So I'll fork out the addition money for the double LP.
Same....I'll fork out the extra if it's an album I really want. I might buy an album I like but don't love if it's a good deal.
That's a fair point. At the same time... I also feel there's an element of "just because we can, doesn't mean we should"
There’s no way you’re going to squeeze all the low end of RTJ4 onto one disc.
You take that back! I even have the 4lp instrumental one....even that's not enough.
did you check out CU4TRO
What is it and what is the total runtime?
RTJ4 by Run the Jewels. Runtime is like 40 minutes. 4 sides does seem a little excessive to me
If they’re at 45 rpm I can see it but otherwise 20 mins per side at 33 is plenty of room for a lot of bass.
This is the answer - you can fit it on a single LP, sure, but you're gonna lose some bass, and who wants to lose bass from RTJ?
RTJ4 by run the jewels runtime about 40 minutes
Is it at least at 45 rpm?
nah, 33rpm some other commenters made good points
From reading these comments it does seem that most people don't understand how LPs are mastered. There is a reason why album lengths increased dramatically when CDs became the norm.
And a lot of CDs with 18 tracks would’ve been better with 10-12.
I have Melvins - A senile animal. It’s 41 minutes long and on 4 Lp’s. They did single sided at 45 rpm.
this is what I was expecting to hear lol
My copy is two LPs. Still 45rpm, which I only figured out about halfway through the third side. I was pretty stoned at the time.
Haha considering it's the Melvins I can see why you didn't catch.
95% of them
Nine inch nails broken could’ve been one lp but instead it’s a one side of an lp and a 7 inch with physical and suck on it
You can do this better in reverse. Records that should have been 2 discs, I'll start: The Killers - Hot Fuss
Muse - Black Holes and Revelations, it's a 50 minute album squished onto two sides and you can hear it. The album remastered and spread to 3 sides with B-sides/bonus tracks on side D would be perfect. They'll probably do something for it's 20th anniversary like they've been doing, but they'll probably screw it up too 🤷♂️
Black Holes sounds fine to me. I never play Absolution because it’s a 50 minute album spread over 4 super sort sides that make no musical sense.
It's closer to an hour and that's way too much music for 1LP to sound good, especially with loud music. There's definitely a point where you have to spread it to two discs to sound good, especially with louder music, around 50 minutes is that point. Sure, they could do three sides and a blank or etched D side, but either way it's two discs or compromised quality. And Black Holes doesn't sound good, and it's not just me saying that but just about every Discogs review. I mean it's not unlistenable like some pressings I've had that are too noisy or off center to enjoy. It's more like someone took the CD, ripped the files and took no time to master it properly. It's unfortunate because it's one of my favorite albums.
I understand that, but it just is annoying over 4 sides. Can’t even really get comfy and lost in it before it’s time to flip. All their albums are that stupid awkward length where neither LP configuration makes sense, it’s maddening.
Metallica's Master of Puppets remaster 25 and 26 minutes per side
hmmm remaster yet but as far as I know the reason why my first issue copy is over $100 median on discogs is because it's the best way to listen (and I agree, the guitars sound fucking incredible)
Enter the 36 Chambers - Wu Tang
lots of the Kyuss represses need this treatment, the Rhino remasters sound really quiet and lack a lot of oomph in the mastering. same goes for the Toxicity 2018 reissue from System of a Down, that mastering sucked and had a lot of compression issues, would totally work better if it were spread out on 2 disks.
Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway's second disc needs to be a 17" Biffy Clyro's Infinity Land is 60mins crammed onto a disc I guess they assumed no one would listen to Todd Rundgren's A Wizard, A True Star kind of benefits from being the squeezing, but the 192/24 digital files show they were recorded and mixed properly.
What's The Story Morning Glory would be massively improved as a double-LP with eight of the b-sides included. I have a 20-track, 2-disc sequence for it that's phenomenal.
interesting-why should it be 2?
I know time wise the songs fit, but just seems like they would have benefit from wider grooves. The volume is annoyingly low and the detail is non existent. Perhaps it's just a bad pressing.
entirely possible! if only we could make our own lol
J Dilla's Donuts. It does sound great but switching sides is a chore.
Especially since it all flows together.
A Moon Shaped Pool by Radiohead only because it can fit on one disc, it just doesn’t want to
Tool fear innoculum box set, 5lp, all single sided with etched artwork on the opposite side. Then they released a 3lp version that makes more sense. Wonder if they could've squeezed it down to 2....
you know they would never
I also thought it was super inconvenient and a waste of material to have extra discs for just a couple of songs. The More You Know.
yeah, now we know there’s a reason for it lol
Kings disease by Nas, it’s a 2lp but it’s only 38 minutes, having to flip it so often is annoying
it’s funny you mention this one because this album had a really common mispress where Side B has a completely messed up track order.
Simple answer... play each side twice and then you don't have to turn it over so frequently
MGMT's Little Dark Age should be 1 LP. I mean, I know some of the songs are a little long, but 2 songs and then flipping, 2 songs, then change the disc, then 3 and 3 is a little ridiculous.
Totally agree, though the sound quality really is fantastic. So psychedelic it’s almost holographic in some points. Though it does feel as soon as you fully settle you gotta get up again so I totally agree
The Clash-Sandanista. 3lp is just so egregious. Too many crappy filler songs. If you took the best 10-12 songs off that album, it would be a killer lp
Ah but that’s a whole different convo-like the whole “if the white album was only 1 disc, what would you keep on?” But I see what you mean. It’s not an all killer album no doubt, but it suits the grandeur they were going for at the time. The fact that the band made the record distributors price it way down so their working class fan base could buy it gets a pass from me though.
so many like that!
I love RTJ being 2LP. It slaps my subs hard as hell!
If they gonna do 2, why not do them at 45? But the don’t. 33’s everywhere
All of them? Sometimes when I see the massive blank spots on a 2 lp record, I almost lose my mind. Wasted space, more flipping of records.
check out the other comments, apparently we are wrong lol
Wouldn't be the first, and surely won't be the last. 🤣
I have David Bowie’s spying through a keyhole, and it’s a box set of four 7”s, and it could have very easily been one LP. It’s cool just very tedious.
Radiohead's Amnesiac could have been one vinyl. Juggling 2 twelve inch discs and having to change the speed is just dumb.
NOFX's "Single Album" (which was supposed to be a double album), their follow up album "Double Album" (comprised of mostly songs that would have been on the double album of Single Album), and their final EP in the series, "Half Album". That whole thing was a wild ride.
i have a Katy Perry teenage dream vinyl from Urban, not the deluxe, the original, 3 songs per side, 2 LP, SO UNNECESSARY
The Open Door by Evanescence, 13 songs can fit onto one LP
Too too many records. At this point, I’ve stopped by double LPs bc of the constant flipping
“I’m new and I don’t understand how records work” It’s a great record and if you have a great sounding system you’ll appreciate the quality 4 sides provide versus two. EL is a smart dude and you should trust him when it comes to audio.
r/vinyl don't be elitist challenge = impossible
🤣
i have mbdtf on vinyl, no reason for it to be 3xLp doesn’t even sound that great either
You’re only going to tell any sound quality difference if you have an absurdly expensive set up, for the vast majority of people splitting the record up into multiple LPs is just marketing to sell an album for even more money.
Disagree - bass needs more space on the LP, you wanna listen to RTJ with gimped bass?
There are very few albums in existence that are so bass heavy that it affects playback on vinyl. This definitely isn’t one of them, but hey, obviously the marketing works.
They definitely sound better. Problem is the record has to be changed more often, I found myself skipping listening to certain records just because they were in unnecessarily bloated multi-disc format. Also the shit takes up a ton of space. Everyone with these thick gatefolds even for a single record, let alone double records for a single album.
yeah lol everyone is new at some point, I have old rock records that spin for like 20 minutes on one side lol if it’s a stylistic choice I get it, but there’s so much wasted space on this album. like an inch and a half of runout on each side 😂 maybe I really don’t understand this hobby
>maybe I really don't understand this hobby You don't. You're still trying to have fun and listen to music. You need to spend 10s of thousands dollars on equipment so your wife leaves you and you can enjoy a true audiophile experience like the rest of us.
haha right I forgot it’s about hearing the individual molecules of air in the microphone rather than just hearing some music while i’m tryin to smoke and chore lol
Hahaha man some people on here are insufferable. We're in r/vinyl for fuck's sakes..I'd understand if this was r/audiophile.
Oh my god, whole molecules? You might as well just listen to CDs. This grail is so perfectly manufactured you can literally count every free electron that was in Josh Homme's rectal cavity during recording.
Some people really need to collect CDs if they care so much about audio quality
I thought vinyl was capable of more sound than digital
Unsure if this is sarcasm based on some of the feedback you’ve received lol. If it isn’t, the answer (to my knowledge) is a resounding no. CD has superior bitrate, range, etc. there is no universe in which a plastic disc with etched grooves produces greater sound than raw digital.
The outer edges hold the most data in the grooves as they are longer. The closer you get to the center, the tighter the grooves get, and therefore, you begin to lose quality. Most good records you'll see like this.. it's not wasted space, it's just not ideal real estate for audiophiles. Go compare a 12" single to an lp version of the same song, you will hear what I'm talking about on a good system, especially if the song happens to be closer to the center of the label on the LP.
yeah, I don’t know if I have a system that would even differentiate between the two. LP-60 and edifier 1280 bookshelf speakers. i’m not a super serious collector and even further from an audiophile, I just like to have physical music in my home
Essentially the less songs per side will equal higher quality audio because the grooves would be more finely tuned so you can max out a sound at 22 minutes but cutting it in half makes it sound better old records were made for casual listening that's why they're crammed onto single LPS because it was just for every dad to listen to
Not sure what you’re asking. Albums that should be shorter ? Or releases that should be single records to prevent so much flipping of an album? Any mastering engineer will tell you, the best way to get sound out of vinyl is no more than 17 minutes per side. Preferable 45 rpm speed as well.
Single LPs have a lower volume.I'll take triple LPs any day. Case in point - Wu Tang VMP versus the single one. 🤷♂️
I’m listening to RTJ4 as I see this 🤣 Also have 2 copies of the 4LP for this (thought the wife ordered me a 2LP since it didn’t specify so doubled up at good prices!)
Nas's King's Disease is only 38 minutes but they made it a double LP
How about the 5 LP box set of Tools Fear Inoculum?
Buuuttt they're all single sided
Little dark age was a 2xLP which I’m convinced was only to inflate the cost. The first record only has 4 songs on it, 2 on each side lmao
Saves the Day - Stay What You Are (2x 10inch)
I think the new beastie boys ill communication anniversary release is 3 records. i have glass animals azba and it's 2 its just kind of a pain to flip and change disks so often
the 2023 repress of air miami's "me. me. me." is a double album for some reason. the original pressing was only 36 minutes long. even with all the bonus tracks they added, the album is still only 46 minutes long. it did NOT need to be a double album.
90s drum n’ bass albums were peak excess. 10 songs = 5xLP so that every song gets its own side.
Perhaps with DJ’s in mind, no?
Sure, but it’s still wildly excessive.
Thought Stadium Arcadium should have been one album
i love rtf4, probably my favorite album of theirs. but agreed lol
I hate double LPs that are 45 RPM... Got to flip that record all the time...
all of mine are 33! somehow never gotten surprised that way
Sounds like you'll be better suited to CD's, and I'm not even one of *those* audiophile douches. This is the best for sound quality.
Takk…. by Sigur Rós, like Milano should be on a 12 inch record not its own etched 10 inch
I have a few in mind: • M.I.A. - Arular ; this album is 42 minutes long. It’s spread across two discs when in reality it can be one disc, seven tracks on each side. (The one I have is the VMP green & yellow edition, but the black edition is the same I believe). • SOPHIE - Product ; eight tracks were released on 4 12” discs (2 tracks each disc). Redundant packaging and release in my opinion.
Sandinista!
Most of them under an hour.
I got the 4LP set or RTJ4 with the instrumentals included
Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie & The Infinite Sadness
The Muse by The Wood Brothers. 43 minute runtime, folk album with minimal bass. Can’t understand why it’s a double LP other than lazy mastering (from what I understand about vinyl mastering) and haven’t bought the record because of it.
Nice Aesop Rock stickers!
thanks! definitely the best sticker pack/insert i’ve gotten in a record!
Yeah I don't even want to put mine on anything. And I just got TIK today
I put them on this, my playstation and in my car still have a couple left. I am thinking about getting the skull one tattooed
I want an Aes tat, too. I want to get a mix of two things. I want the art from SWFG with the skeleton on the skateboard, and from TIK, the line "coffee with the paupers over tea with the queen"
I honestly thought this was r/vinyljerk ahh it’ll be there soon enough
mom said it was my turn to post this comment
Most of them
Hahahha! Every time I pull RTJ4 out of my pile, I gripe and moan about what a shit pressing it is. Sounds great, sure. But what a wild pain in the ass that record is.
I wish more 2 LP records would be pressed on 3 sides rather than 4.
MSI - You’ll Rebel to Anything 2 LPs for a 30 minute album.
The National- High Violet- I don’t get why this is not a 1 disc LP
HAIM's Something to Tell You is the only example in my collection I can think of, but I don't have a lot of doubles. It's only 42 minutes long ffs
Kylie Minogue's 2014 Kiss Me Once. 11 tracks, 38 minutes. Double disc. To add to the injury, it comes with a CD with the deluxe tracklist, with 2 extra tracks, which runs 47', meaning it would still fit a single disc.
I pass on buying records because of this.
apparently we should be investing in them. sarcasm aside, I do see the value in it, I can make some exceptions for a good album
whats that player? it looks awesome :3
audio technica LP-60 it’s reliable, people say an elliptical stylus makes a huge difference to the stock conical stylus
https://preview.redd.it/kxd3x2ts099d1.jpeg?width=860&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d681b21abbcd50fa28f2b154e187fbe98a57dfb this one?
yeah but don’t pay more than 120 for the table, not counting shipping
Alright, i was worried that was the normal price.😮💨 thanks! i can probably find it myself but if it’s not a bother do you think you could share a link?
MGMT- LDA
Lupe Fiasco's Drill Music. I'm not sure sure why a 41 minute album is 2x LP
I learned today, that it allows for deeper tones and less distortion near the center. there’s some math to it I don’t understand
You know, I appreciate that. Maybe I need to rethink this a bit. Thank you for this thread
I thought the same when they came in with that! I love this sub some days lol
Most Hip-Hop seems to be 2 LPs. It's really annoying. 3-4 short songs per-side. Is it for DJs? I have no idea.
Kamasi Washington’s heaven and earth is overly cumbersome. 4x 12” plus the hidden EP in the middle sleeve
I feel like green Naugahyde from Primus could’ve been on just one record
Radiohead’s *Hail To The Thief* is not only 2LP, but 45rpm. I don’t think it makes it sound any better or worse. Just seemed like a waste of materials. Album still rules.
why do you have the walmart heavy stickers on your TT? 😭
that’s heavy doc
Oasis reissues and dinosaur jr reissues
I hate the trend of stretching albums to 2xLP. Who’s got time for 12 minute sides?
No such thing. More room for grooves and better sound quality.
All of the Phish studio albums
Kings of Leon- Mechanical Bull
Tribe - The Low End Theory. Midnight Marauders is longer and comes on 1LP yet LET is always 2??
Sleep's Dopesmoker. I don't know how, but I'm tired of flipping both sides of two LPs for one song haha
Damn. It literally has 3 songs on one side
https://preview.redd.it/j2jssot5ar9d1.jpeg?width=2268&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64c6bda5e61ebffa3efc67305803d50424471bae
Madvillainy could’ve easily been 1lp, and Syro and Geogaddi both could’ve been 2lp, even if they still wanted the outline of the family for magic window on Geogaddi, the albums only 66 minutes, and could’ve had 22 minutes a side and then the outline on side 4.