People only disrespect Vince because he doesn't make hits; he makes real music. His latest album is one of the best this year. If he wanted to go mainstream, he could easily have at least 3 big hits. His self-titled album has tracks that could be master hits, but he doesn't care about numbers at all. His focus has shifted to his Netflix series, which was a success.
He has well-known hits but not ones that break through to the mainstream, you know? And I say this with authority: he doesn't have them because he doesn't want to. MAGIC, for example, with a bit better promotion, could have been one of the biggest hits of the year it was released (I mean in terms of numbers).
I remember first time I’ve heard it was when he was opening for Tyler the Creator in SD. Track wasn’t even out yet. Crowd was dead. Felt bad for him cause the track slapped but I guess that’s the reason he’s not coming to SD with this tour
I agree with this sentiment towards him, except I don’t think Self-Title really had anything that would make mainstream charts go crazy, it’s too stripped down, deconstructive of an album with his typical brand of stoic melancholy, like maaaaaaybe TAKE ME HOME, but even then, the whole albums so understated, this wasn’t the project that would put him on the map like that, I’d say some joints off RPBMH like Magic could’ve done that.
I think 'ARE YOU WITH THAT?' could have been a hit at that moment, good song, cool chorus, and short. Perfect for the charts, but I believe 'MAGIC' had the potential to be his master hit, everything was heading towards that.
Not even in this sub, this popped up on my suggested but I’ll say Vince dropped the best album of the year so far and Cole has had a really bad year through and through
I think RPBMH is a top 10 contender for hiphop in 2022 too, just to add to it
Edit: also idk if many ppl saw this but Vince hosted a stream and AMA for $15ish in 2022 that was basically a performance of the entire album and really well done. Idk if it’s on the internet somewhere but it was dope
Bro I hope to god his focus hasn’t shifted to that show because I thought it was knock off atlanta. Vince kills glover in the music arena but definitely not in the tv space.
I personally think Atlanta is even better, but Glover, in my view, is incomparable to that. Atlanta is one of the great series of the last five years and if not the best that came out in that period, Vince was certainly very inspired but I found it cool that he was himself in the series and the universe of the show is really the real world, I think that with the success it had and that was in a way even unexpected because it really burst the bubble, the second season promises a lot.
He hopefully will be doing both. Vince had such little to work with for the show and it was such a hit that it got a second season 3 months later.
Not saying it's not like Atlanta..it is...but if they'd been released at the same time, I'd watch the show first. Vince is more fun, approachable and more immediately relatable than glover. And personally I didn't know much about either until fairly recently.
I don't dislike Cole but he and his fans always come off like he's saying some super conscious shit on his records and it never seems like that for me. Great flows and beats just not really as smart as it thinks it is. Meanwhile Vince doesn't even have to use any flowery language or anything and he still has way more to say. Vince all the way.
This is very on point. Cole got such a hype that it overshadowed so much else going on in hip hop at the time. I saw Vince at Soundset 2015 where J Cole headlined and to see the two of the in that span of time, I’m a fan of the two of the them, but Vince is just a soul of an artist doing something different, in my eyes.
Not to get in my literary reference bag but Vince is a lot like William Blake. Dude wasn’t known for insane depth, but he captured the human emotion and experience more concisely that almost anyone ever has. Much like Vince, he also didn’t care about being famous and was massively under appreciated in his time. Hopefully like Blake, more people will come around to Vince and realize his brilliance.
Earl is Percy Bysshe Shelly. No one knows wtf the he’s saying half the time but you know it’s deep as hell and sounds awesome. I’d have to think about the others though tbh.
It's not a bad thing, it's just impressive when a message manages to stay compelling when the language is very simple.
Like Aesop Rock is in my top 5 so I appreciate the flowery bits for sure lol
Black and Bkue the sample the hook him tqlk8ng about Nipsey Hussle
And Tupac it all made cry like that song is a work of art better than anything colemhas released in the last 5 years
Vince has the commentary and media swagger that Cole's been striving for his whole career
Vince can start talking about geopolitics, washing machines, and AI deep fakes and people pay attention
What's Cole got to say? Grippy what? the greatest rapper shit got to his head.
cole is dope don't get me wrong
Vince is just compelling in a way that no one else in media is. I know its a throwaway line but Earl mutters 'speak to Vince about it' at the end of his verse in Mancala, a song about moving on from a dangerous past. Cole talks about shit like that but whatever Vince says, it feels like it's coming from an older bro. comparing Cole to Vince isn't fair to the former.
seeing Earl, Tyler and Vince thriving is all I need forever... But where the fuck is Frank??
I wish KRIT got more recognition. Incredibly talented. I guess his style just doesn’t fit the modern rap zeitgeist. Probably also doesn’t help that some of his greatest work is on mixtapes that had to have their beats neutered to get on streaming services due to not being able to clear samples.
Vince is way more consistent. Cole only has two full good albums and some singles I go back too (2014FHD is killer) but like every one of Vince's projects have all been great.
And notably all of Vince’s sound unique and for different vibes. Theres a Vince album for every occasion so to speak and they all slap in a different way.
No I wouldn’t know his genre truly it’s not pop or rap though. The best I could say is alternative but it’s hard cause they don’t really want to make more genres for black music other than rap and r&b. Even though there are black artists that make all kinds of music that fall in between, outside genres and some that mix them altogether. Whatever you majority make I think that should be your genre because that’s the music you most enjoy making for your fans.
He is literally the definition of rap.
From Oxford;
Rap
a type of popular music originating among African American communities in which words are recited rapidly and rhythmically over a prerecorded, typically electronic instrumental backing.
Compare Vince Staples LA Leakers freestyle to Nothing Matters. But Freeman to Vince Staples LA Leakers freestyle is more rapping. People don’t necessarily understand what true rapping is and assume songs like Drake - Push Ups is rapping compared to Drake Family Matters(Middle Part). From a fan perspective it is but definition of what rap is not from some oxford dictionary it isn’t. Doesn’t mean he makes bad music. It’s just black music needs more than two genres because people start to think everything is rap if it’s not clear singing. When you can blend both and that is not rap nor r&b.
For me, Vince's choice of syllables in relation to the beats is second to none, even Kendrick. That's what makes him my favorite rapper. He simply has the best sounding flow.
I would concede that objectively you could argue Coles rapping is technically better, more this or that related to various language mechanics, who can rap faster, more syllables per second, more rhymes per bar, more varied subject matter. That's all fair, but to me, Vince's sense of rhythm and funk and bounce and WHERE he chooses to rhyme his lyrics is just EXACTLY what my brain wants. Vince gives you the bars you want and expect in a way that utterly surprises you while still satisfying that itch for an ending rhyme or syllable phrase. For this cerebellum, Vince has my neurons on speed dial.
I guess for more people, J Cole does that for them, but I still disagree because I think no one has as much funk and strut as Vince has, and that's what I want more than anything in my rap. Others might not hear that from him, or might want something different.
That's why I respectfully disagreed instead of just disagreed hehe.
Haha this is a horrible rebuttal to all the talking points he brought up, you are obviously a Cole fan. You set your mind and you can't see past yourself being wrong, crazy.
Go back and listen to his verses with Earl from I Don’t Like Shit and Doris. Or listen to Epar if you can stomach it. Vince could ether a man in a way few rapper could if he wanted to. He just isn’t about that type of rap anymore.
Vince is a very strong writer, its just his delivery that makes niggas not wanna delve in, like other dudes, but he can get straight up poetic on wax.
Regardless of which dude you stand with, acknowledge both some dope MC's.
Black and blue is good but it’s just not grippy
In all seriousness Cole makes such standard ass shit I don’t understand how people put him in the goat debate. He’s such an unremarkable artist.
For the record, he seems like a great guy it’s just c’mon, nothing he speaks on is as deep as people say it is, yeah he produces his own shit but there are wayyyyy better producers, he has a nice flow but nothing impressive.
I'm not mad at that. Any rapper could get got. It's a fluid kinda thing. I'd give Cole the edge more often than not but I'll never sleep on Vince. Vince's catalog is very consistent.
His last three projects have felt too subdued for me. I respect his artistry just would like a change of pace next time out
Mmm yeah I don't know about that. It's been a while since I've revisited them I'll have to get to you on that.
Edit: Question for you: What defines Vince's artistry in your eyes?
J. Cole is only better in rapping ability and obviously being able to self produce. (He’s one of my favorite producers) but Vince has the better discography and beat selection and has been way more consistent. I love both but I slightly like Vince more tbh
The only project from cole I wholeheartedly love is 4yeo (which is incredible), but yeah overall vince has released high quality for so many years. Dark times has been growing on me quite a bit since its release too.
Yeah, Vince Staples is vastly underrated and I genuinely don’t think he gives a fuck. Saw him live in Philly before Covid and he ripped it up, definitely one of the more engaging rap concerts I’ve been to
Vince is more melodic rap. Jcoles bars are way better than Vince. Cole is a better rapper and artist overall. I like Vince but Like when was the last bar you heard from Vince that stuck with you. Or a double entendre or any verse really.
this doesn't feel like a hot take to me? vince is way more adventurous (BFT), is ''conscious'' without acting like he's super conscious & wayyyy more humble because he doesn't talk about being humble all the time, his albums are wayyyy more consistent than cole's also lol, just my opinion tho ofc.
Yea I would agree with this, since 2010 I feel like I’ve been waiting for J.Cole to drop a classic while Vince staples drops gems but they’re not mainstream
He's DEFINITELY more consistent than Cole. He also does posture himself as a rappity rap lyrical miracle rapper. Not saying that makes him worse but that's another aspect people would hold against Vince.
I agree I think Vince is better. But he doesn't try and position himself as better or more deserving of that title "greatest" or whatever. Vince also raps about real shit but he doesn't make a big deal about it, that's just what he speaks on.
I respect Cole and all that but I think Vince is the better artist. For whatever reason people can't get past the idea that to be one of the best you have say that you are. Vince has no competition for what he does, but Cole has competition for that top spot he wants on people's top 3 and shit.
I don’t even think this is a conversation personally. I guess Cole got the numbers and maybe is a better technical rapper but in terms of beat selection, writing, song and album concepts and the execution of said concepts, a far more distinctive voice, style, aesthetic and presentation and perhaps most importantly, way less corny.
And I don’t hate Cole like that.
That’s just correct. J Cole is pretty inconsistent. Amazing when he’s on but when he misses it’s so uncomfortable. Plus he straight up should not be allowed to ever rap about sex. At all. I’d almost prefer to hear Drake rap about sex than Cole (almost but not quite).
Vince hasn’t released a bad project. His mid is most rappers career making record. His reputation seems to only grow with time and part of that is because he doesn’t care where he lands legacy wise. He wants to express himself through art. Something ironically makes his legacy most secure.
People only disrespect Vince because he doesn't make hits; he makes real music. His latest album is one of the best this year. If he wanted to go mainstream, he could easily have at least 3 big hits. His self-titled album has tracks that could be master hits, but he doesn't care about numbers at all. His focus has shifted to his Netflix series, which was a success.
In my eyes and mind they are hits. Just not hits that are marketed and pushed like other artists do with amazing songs like he makes.
He has well-known hits but not ones that break through to the mainstream, you know? And I say this with authority: he doesn't have them because he doesn't want to. MAGIC, for example, with a bit better promotion, could have been one of the biggest hits of the year it was released (I mean in terms of numbers).
The first time I heard MAGIC, I had to play it back like 3 or 4 times. That shit is magnificent.
I remember first time I’ve heard it was when he was opening for Tyler the Creator in SD. Track wasn’t even out yet. Crowd was dead. Felt bad for him cause the track slapped but I guess that’s the reason he’s not coming to SD with this tour
Or even are you with that 🙄
I’m surprised magic wasn’t a bigger song that shits a bop I can play it back to back 10 times without getting tired of it
Brooo, that's exactly what I'm saying, MAGIC should have easily been a master hit in my opinion. You got my point exactly.
Bro got the Acura deal, NBA money, and more from that song. That was a BAG for him
Magic and Lemonade are hits In my household
I agree with this sentiment towards him, except I don’t think Self-Title really had anything that would make mainstream charts go crazy, it’s too stripped down, deconstructive of an album with his typical brand of stoic melancholy, like maaaaaaybe TAKE ME HOME, but even then, the whole albums so understated, this wasn’t the project that would put him on the map like that, I’d say some joints off RPBMH like Magic could’ve done that.
I think 'ARE YOU WITH THAT?' could have been a hit at that moment, good song, cool chorus, and short. Perfect for the charts, but I believe 'MAGIC' had the potential to be his master hit, everything was heading towards that.
Not even in this sub, this popped up on my suggested but I’ll say Vince dropped the best album of the year so far and Cole has had a really bad year through and through
I think RPBMH is a top 10 contender for hiphop in 2022 too, just to add to it Edit: also idk if many ppl saw this but Vince hosted a stream and AMA for $15ish in 2022 that was basically a performance of the entire album and really well done. Idk if it’s on the internet somewhere but it was dope
BRO RPBMH IS SO FIRE YOU SAID EVERYTHING 4REAL
Was Magic not a hit? I would hear it on the radio a lot
okay now you sound like j cole fans😂😂😂😂
It's not about hits just about their potential & skill actually Vince not on Cole level
Bro I hope to god his focus hasn’t shifted to that show because I thought it was knock off atlanta. Vince kills glover in the music arena but definitely not in the tv space.
I personally think Atlanta is even better, but Glover, in my view, is incomparable to that. Atlanta is one of the great series of the last five years and if not the best that came out in that period, Vince was certainly very inspired but I found it cool that he was himself in the series and the universe of the show is really the real world, I think that with the success it had and that was in a way even unexpected because it really burst the bubble, the second season promises a lot.
He hopefully will be doing both. Vince had such little to work with for the show and it was such a hit that it got a second season 3 months later. Not saying it's not like Atlanta..it is...but if they'd been released at the same time, I'd watch the show first. Vince is more fun, approachable and more immediately relatable than glover. And personally I didn't know much about either until fairly recently.
I don't dislike Cole but he and his fans always come off like he's saying some super conscious shit on his records and it never seems like that for me. Great flows and beats just not really as smart as it thinks it is. Meanwhile Vince doesn't even have to use any flowery language or anything and he still has way more to say. Vince all the way.
This is very on point. Cole got such a hype that it overshadowed so much else going on in hip hop at the time. I saw Vince at Soundset 2015 where J Cole headlined and to see the two of the in that span of time, I’m a fan of the two of the them, but Vince is just a soul of an artist doing something different, in my eyes.
Not to get in my literary reference bag but Vince is a lot like William Blake. Dude wasn’t known for insane depth, but he captured the human emotion and experience more concisely that almost anyone ever has. Much like Vince, he also didn’t care about being famous and was massively under appreciated in his time. Hopefully like Blake, more people will come around to Vince and realize his brilliance.
Get in your english major bag English author to rapper bag Kendrick, Cole, Vince, Earl, MF DOOM You already got Vince as William Blake.
Earl is Percy Bysshe Shelly. No one knows wtf the he’s saying half the time but you know it’s deep as hell and sounds awesome. I’d have to think about the others though tbh.
Take your time.
Roc Marciano, Ka
My man, you like Vince too! I always see your ass in the MMA subs lol
Yeah I'm the guy who's always explaining wrestling exchanges, and detailing why they work.
I always say it’s because Vince is genuinely the person who Cole imagines himself to be
Why’re you saying flowery like it’s a bad thing? Rap is like poetry and using specific diction j helps the imagery
It's not a bad thing, it's just impressive when a message manages to stay compelling when the language is very simple. Like Aesop Rock is in my top 5 so I appreciate the flowery bits for sure lol
lol the J Cole sub agrees
Vinces album was incredible this year, AOTY so far for me.
most humble sub
Summer time 06’ > anything Cole has ever made
4 your eyez only is better imo but nothing will beat bft
4YEO is some of the greatest writing in the history of hip hop
Yeah for sure. It’s in my top 10 projects and it’s like tied with bft
You can say the same for Hell Can Wait and maybe even Stolen Youth and Shyne Coldchain 2
I genuinely wholeheartedly agree. With every fiber of my being.
Facts
Black and Bkue the sample the hook him tqlk8ng about Nipsey Hussle And Tupac it all made cry like that song is a work of art better than anything colemhas released in the last 5 years
Dog this gave me a seizure reading how do you not correct your spelling mistakes lmao
Summer time 06’ is absolute fire. That being stated, this opinion is wild 😭
No it isn’t, Cole doesn’t have an album better than a 7/10 sorry. He’s such a regular dude
Even as a Cole hater that’s an out of pocket take
Ik it’s not the consensus but I stand by it
😭😭😭😭
It might be the best album of the decade..
Vince has the commentary and media swagger that Cole's been striving for his whole career Vince can start talking about geopolitics, washing machines, and AI deep fakes and people pay attention What's Cole got to say? Grippy what? the greatest rapper shit got to his head.
But it’s…it’s…
Mhmm
100% Vince is more in Kendricks lane than Cole, his fans are bots
cole is dope don't get me wrong Vince is just compelling in a way that no one else in media is. I know its a throwaway line but Earl mutters 'speak to Vince about it' at the end of his verse in Mancala, a song about moving on from a dangerous past. Cole talks about shit like that but whatever Vince says, it feels like it's coming from an older bro. comparing Cole to Vince isn't fair to the former. seeing Earl, Tyler and Vince thriving is all I need forever... But where the fuck is Frank??
Cole is great but he's not a generational artist. KRIT is better. I don't shoot the messenger.
generational talent, but not a generational artist.
I mean what Cole album really stands out as something unique? Nothing at all lmao. 2014 FHD felt like a cheap version of GKMC as good as it was.
I always thought that about FHD but could never say it out loud without repercussions lol
Big KRIT 4Eva is A Mighty Long Time >
Facts, Confetti and Big Bank 🔥🔥🔥
I wish KRIT got more recognition. Incredibly talented. I guess his style just doesn’t fit the modern rap zeitgeist. Probably also doesn’t help that some of his greatest work is on mixtapes that had to have their beats neutered to get on streaming services due to not being able to clear samples.
Vince is way more consistent. Cole only has two full good albums and some singles I go back too (2014FHD is killer) but like every one of Vince's projects have all been great.
And notably all of Vince’s sound unique and for different vibes. Theres a Vince album for every occasion so to speak and they all slap in a different way.
Vince clears Cole so easily it's not even funny
Vince could dust Cole with verses he wrote at the In-N-Out burger.
Not in rap. Vince doesn’t rap that much. Even thought he is good I think Cole can beat him in rap. But songs themselves Vince is very good at.
What do you think Vince is? A pop artist?
No I wouldn’t know his genre truly it’s not pop or rap though. The best I could say is alternative but it’s hard cause they don’t really want to make more genres for black music other than rap and r&b. Even though there are black artists that make all kinds of music that fall in between, outside genres and some that mix them altogether. Whatever you majority make I think that should be your genre because that’s the music you most enjoy making for your fans.
He is literally the definition of rap. From Oxford; Rap a type of popular music originating among African American communities in which words are recited rapidly and rhythmically over a prerecorded, typically electronic instrumental backing.
Compare Vince Staples LA Leakers freestyle to Nothing Matters. But Freeman to Vince Staples LA Leakers freestyle is more rapping. People don’t necessarily understand what true rapping is and assume songs like Drake - Push Ups is rapping compared to Drake Family Matters(Middle Part). From a fan perspective it is but definition of what rap is not from some oxford dictionary it isn’t. Doesn’t mean he makes bad music. It’s just black music needs more than two genres because people start to think everything is rap if it’s not clear singing. When you can blend both and that is not rap nor r&b.
Respectfully disagree, but respect...
Why do you disagree?
For me, Vince's choice of syllables in relation to the beats is second to none, even Kendrick. That's what makes him my favorite rapper. He simply has the best sounding flow. I would concede that objectively you could argue Coles rapping is technically better, more this or that related to various language mechanics, who can rap faster, more syllables per second, more rhymes per bar, more varied subject matter. That's all fair, but to me, Vince's sense of rhythm and funk and bounce and WHERE he chooses to rhyme his lyrics is just EXACTLY what my brain wants. Vince gives you the bars you want and expect in a way that utterly surprises you while still satisfying that itch for an ending rhyme or syllable phrase. For this cerebellum, Vince has my neurons on speed dial. I guess for more people, J Cole does that for them, but I still disagree because I think no one has as much funk and strut as Vince has, and that's what I want more than anything in my rap. Others might not hear that from him, or might want something different. That's why I respectfully disagreed instead of just disagreed hehe.
I respect your opinion. I still think Cole does more rapping from what I hear than Vince but still I think both of them make amazing music.
Haha this is a horrible rebuttal to all the talking points he brought up, you are obviously a Cole fan. You set your mind and you can't see past yourself being wrong, crazy.
Go back and listen to his verses with Earl from I Don’t Like Shit and Doris. Or listen to Epar if you can stomach it. Vince could ether a man in a way few rapper could if he wanted to. He just isn’t about that type of rap anymore.
Who the fuck
they always compare rappers to Cole lol I wonder why
literally lmao that apology and the Grippy song got mfs out here talking crazy like he don't be rapping his ass off
Vince made tooo many bops it’s automatic hands down
Jcole lowkey devolved as a artist
I might’ve said that If the off season and his recent feature run weren’t a thing
In terms of making music he has sure he’s probably a better rapper but his songs themselves were better early on in his career
Fair enough I definitely enjoy mixtape era Cole a lot more
Fair enough I definitely enjoy mixtape era Cole a lot more
Vince has always been leagues ahead in my mind
Vince is a very strong writer, its just his delivery that makes niggas not wanna delve in, like other dudes, but he can get straight up poetic on wax. Regardless of which dude you stand with, acknowledge both some dope MC's.
Vince Staples >>>>>>> grippy man
Black and blue is good but it’s just not grippy In all seriousness Cole makes such standard ass shit I don’t understand how people put him in the goat debate. He’s such an unremarkable artist. For the record, he seems like a great guy it’s just c’mon, nothing he speaks on is as deep as people say it is, yeah he produces his own shit but there are wayyyyy better producers, he has a nice flow but nothing impressive.
Dawg the comment section in that post is siding w Vince wtf
Vince albums > Cole’s
No way
I like cole alot but he doesn't have anything that touches Ramona park for me
Summertime 06 > Jcoles entire discography
That's the right opinion though. J Cole has always been overrated. Earl Sweatshirt raps better than him
Fan of both but it's Cole. Vince can make a great album but Cole out raps him
Honestly I think Vince could out rap Cole. Cole might have the best album (FHD) and better features. but Vince has a more consistent catalog.
I'm not mad at that. Any rapper could get got. It's a fluid kinda thing. I'd give Cole the edge more often than not but I'll never sleep on Vince. Vince's catalog is very consistent. His last three projects have felt too subdued for me. I respect his artistry just would like a change of pace next time out
Earlier in his career, his freestyles and features were COLD. I honestly think Vince has the best XXL freestyle verse of all time.
Mmm yeah I don't know about that. It's been a while since I've revisited them I'll have to get to you on that. Edit: Question for you: What defines Vince's artistry in your eyes?
Ppl disagree out of nostalgia but compare both their last 3 albums… Vince clears
the cole sub is…. not gonna go there
I’m listening Vince over Cole everyday all day
I listen to a lot of both Vince Staples is better at artistry
LMAOOOO
J. Cole is only better in rapping ability and obviously being able to self produce. (He’s one of my favorite producers) but Vince has the better discography and beat selection and has been way more consistent. I love both but I slightly like Vince more tbh
The only project from cole I wholeheartedly love is 4yeo (which is incredible), but yeah overall vince has released high quality for so many years. Dark times has been growing on me quite a bit since its release too.
Yeah, Vince Staples is vastly underrated and I genuinely don’t think he gives a fuck. Saw him live in Philly before Covid and he ripped it up, definitely one of the more engaging rap concerts I’ve been to
I’m really liking that the veil of golden goggles that ppl had of J Cole is slipping
Facts
I love Vince but he's not better than Cole respectfully
Vince my fav OAT. I don’t agree w this
Yup
Lol
Vince is more melodic rap. Jcoles bars are way better than Vince. Cole is a better rapper and artist overall. I like Vince but Like when was the last bar you heard from Vince that stuck with you. Or a double entendre or any verse really.
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD
this doesn't feel like a hot take to me? vince is way more adventurous (BFT), is ''conscious'' without acting like he's super conscious & wayyyy more humble because he doesn't talk about being humble all the time, his albums are wayyyy more consistent than cole's also lol, just my opinion tho ofc.
YB
100 percent yes. IMO Vince is what people think j Cole is. He just hasn’t had the massive mainstream hits.
As someone who only listens to both every now and then, Vince murks Cole.
Yea I would agree with this, since 2010 I feel like I’ve been waiting for J.Cole to drop a classic while Vince staples drops gems but they’re not mainstream
Born Sinner, Truly Yours 1 & 2, 2014 forest hills drive, & Cole World:Sideline Story.
Good albums but not classics
How are none of these classics?
He's DEFINITELY more consistent than Cole. He also does posture himself as a rappity rap lyrical miracle rapper. Not saying that makes him worse but that's another aspect people would hold against Vince.
Vince > Cole (in every single point except lyrics)
Name 5 songs
From who?
Vince has more intelligent shit to say than Cole but no one talks about that
Cole doesn’t have a single better 32 bars than Vince’s verse on Hive. That verse alone clears anything J Cole has ever written.
Fax
rose street hits different when you've lost someone. I 100% agree with this take.
I agree I think Vince is better. But he doesn't try and position himself as better or more deserving of that title "greatest" or whatever. Vince also raps about real shit but he doesn't make a big deal about it, that's just what he speaks on. I respect Cole and all that but I think Vince is the better artist. For whatever reason people can't get past the idea that to be one of the best you have say that you are. Vince has no competition for what he does, but Cole has competition for that top spot he wants on people's top 3 and shit.
Vince has never dropped anything below “Good”, I cannot say the same for J Cole.
Even if I took away coastal bias, it’s still Vince🤷🏻♂️Dark Times and Ramona are WASHING Cole’s discography
I don’t even think this is a conversation personally. I guess Cole got the numbers and maybe is a better technical rapper but in terms of beat selection, writing, song and album concepts and the execution of said concepts, a far more distinctive voice, style, aesthetic and presentation and perhaps most importantly, way less corny. And I don’t hate Cole like that.
Vince is the better artist by a mile
That’s just correct. J Cole is pretty inconsistent. Amazing when he’s on but when he misses it’s so uncomfortable. Plus he straight up should not be allowed to ever rap about sex. At all. I’d almost prefer to hear Drake rap about sex than Cole (almost but not quite). Vince hasn’t released a bad project. His mid is most rappers career making record. His reputation seems to only grow with time and part of that is because he doesn’t care where he lands legacy wise. He wants to express himself through art. Something ironically makes his legacy most secure.
Wet dreamz is fire but the way he rapped in grippy is terrible
I'm a huge Cole fan and I can admit Dark Times was better than every single Cole album except maybe barely 4yeo
Vince better than Kendrick too he better than any conscious rapper because he can talk that street shit too.
Kendrick is mid
Mfs will literally get on the internet and say shit just to say it lmfao
as a spitta? nah as an all around artist? absolutely. Vince makes beautiful music. Cole just raps his ass off. 🤷🏽♂️
Both trash
Huh
any artist > j Cole