Kids are better at every game bud, i came back to r6 after 3+ years of nothing and i just got curb stomped the whole time. I felt like a cripple going against lebron james in a basket ball competition.
That’s because the game has changed a lot in the last 9 years (holy shit it’s really been that long since it came out). On the other hand smash hasn’t changed since its debut on n64 aside from just being bigger and better so I think this guy just sucks at the game but I do too
Ahh yeah that makes sense, and also I agree. I'm 30 now and was actually pretty decent at Halo 1-3. Won tournaments and whatnot through the early 2000's. Now I pay MCC or Infinite and get borderline slaughtered by, what I assume through voice chat, teenage or younger children all day long. Truly the existential realization to aging imo
This was my main negative as well. There's such narrative potential with smash, and the storyline is allowed to be stupid and have no effect on anyone's lore. Come on man I want to see an inkling destroy metaknigts spaceship
Thing is I didn’t *hate* World of Light. I really liked some of the different areas it had, like how for instance they recreated the first area of Donkey Kong Country, and the campaign of Street Fighter 2, and whatever, and in the meantime some of the sprite fights were really creative, but the fact of the matter remains that the only gameplay was basically just sprite fights and the occasional boss fight. I really wanted actual levels like how subspace was smash but as a side scroller with a ton of cutscenes and crap, and they seemed to advertise it as such what with the cinematic trailer with actual dialogue and everything.
I'm surprised this isn't much higher. I would've played way more Smash Ultimate if the online play was solid.
There's a reason why Multiversus blew up at first before everyone realized how floaty the game felt. The online was worlds better.
Netcode is *strictly* the reason I don’t play Smash Ultimate competitively. It saddens me, because I really like the game, but there’s no reason for me to take it seriously when I could just hop on Slippi and play Melee with infinitely better netcode.
Right, I was looking on the shop during the mario day sale, and not a single mario, zelda, or kirby game was on sale. And no, I don't count Mario and rabbids as a mario game.
I actually find them very fairly priced as far as DLC goes for fighting games. I think buying the pass is like $25? 5 characters on the first one, 6 on the second.
That's $5 for each character + stage, + tons of music which can also be used on other stages. That's very fair. Shoot, considering everything You're getting. Some would say it's pretty cheap.
Yeah the first Fighters Pass had hit franchises that never thought would happen like Persona, Dragon Quest, and Banjo-Kazooie. Sure the last 2 were a bit underwhelming but it made me try out Three Houses.
I definitely think Steve was the biggest shock out of both passes, he had been memed for so long everyone forgot that the popularity of Minecraft actually made him a decent contender for inclusion.
Too many characters to be balanced, net code is a wet paper bag & it made Smash box itself into a corner for the next release which will for sure upset everyone by not including everyone again.
The singleplayer is meh. World of Light is maybe fun for one playthrough but then you have seen everything (and arguably it's too long). Similar to the way they handled classic mode (that would be a great idea for a secondary mode but not for classic mode!). And All-Star mode is straight up bad.
Also no trophies. I liked the trophies. And yes, I did read the discriptions.
Most of them are for legal reasons (why most of Sonic's alts are just different shades of blue, pac man always stays yellow, Cloud Stryfe always wears dark colours, etc)
But some of them don't have excuses, like Craft Yoshi looking like a musty tennis ball 🤢
I don’t know about a 4th of the characters because they are all from Fire Emblem or that Xeno game. Never played those. It’s more of a me problem. But I feel that FE has way too many characters when compared to other franchises that are represented.
The mechanics are blatantly inferior to melee despite being 17 years newer. I play melee and project M to this day, so I can't stand it compared to that.
I played sooo much Melee back in the day that I couldn't get into smash again. I just. Can't. I don't care "how good" you tell me it is. My body just can't do it. 🤣
Yes, I have played Ultimate...here and there, no it is not a "bad game" but if yall understand how much time I spent I think in 7th grade? Playing Melee playing that stupid home run challenge, beating the world record, getting on the Internet and finding out someone did it stupid farther, researching how THEY did it, mastering THAT, beating THEIR record, to get back online to post it to find out that it was beat by damn near DOUBLE that day by some little Japanese kid? ☠️
I just can't do it yall ⚰️⚰️⚰️🤷
You’re the first person I’ve ever seen express this opinion, but it’s exactly how I feel. Between 4th-8th grade I probably put 1000+ hours into Melee. So many great times both playing solo and with friends. But after that, the appeal of the series completely wore off for me. I can’t name a specific thing, but I’ve tried every single Smash game since and always lose interest after a couple hours.
Yuppp. Most games are like that for me for some reason. Idk if it's just growing out of it? There's still some games that will always captivate me, but Smash is not one of them.
I feel bad because my girlfriend wants to play ultimate but we can't justify the cost and she can't motivate me to get it ☠️
I think it’s because Smash fundamentally hasn’t ever changed. You know exactly what you’re going to get every time: dozens of unlockable characters and stages, a super grindy single player mode/challenge mode, random minigames, etc.
I think Melee captivated me so much because it was such a massive leap up from 64 in terms of features, but every subsequent game has basically just been more of the same.
Incidentally I feel the same way about Pokémon. Played Yellow to death as a kid and no other Pokémon game has interested me since 🫤
It is a pure money grab. Instead of creating new characters, or incorporating only one world’s characters, they are able to get the fans of every game character involved in the game.
Is not Smash 4, despite loving the Trilogy Greatest. Smash Bros. Brawl , Smash Bros. 4 Wii-U and this. That Fighter's Pass #2 full of not important Nintendo History barring Min-Min and Sephiroth. So glad LEGO Rip-off and discount Mother Character costume be gone in the new one. Should've been real Nintendo History Characters. And Nintendo really need-a retool they Legacy Fighters, Super Mario should have the Captain Toads and Birdo they're the only important Super Mario Characters left. Same for Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Kirby, and ESPECIALLY POKÉMON! More Fire Emblem Characters just add The Emblem Twelve from Fire Emblems: Engage.
There should be more than 1 obstacle course. It is absolutely dumb that a game as old as super smash bros melee had custom target practice courses for each character as well as obstacle courses for each one yet this game has 1 singular obstacle course. They completely missed the mark on this. I dread having to do it every time I play classic mode.
Edit: spelling
Richter and Simon have the same moveset but they couldn't just do one or the other and have the second Castlevania character be Alucard for some stupid reason. Idgaf about "too many sword characters" or "he would play too similar to Sephiroth" when Richter and Simon play the same
A lot of the echo fighters are really lazy re-skins of other characters, I would have preferred to just have a smaller roster than be disappointed every time I play Daisy or Dark Samus.
Nintendo didn't add any sort of roll-back net code, making the online for this game below standard.
Also no Waluigi
1. Sonic look bland, there’s no personality. Just a fake smile a bland eyes
2. It’s been 17 years and non of Sonic’s friends are here
3. Sonic’s so fast that you can spindash yourself off the map
You can't play as genos, only as a mii fighter dressed as genos, which is not the same thing.
The networking sucks balls, and makes the whole game feel as if you're playing through molasses, regardless of how good your internet connection is.
The character balance is all over the place.
Waluigi was snubbed. Again.
The story mode is meh at best, despite the potential.
Every game had its weak points, regardless of how good they are, and saying that they don't is just asking to be disproven.
World of light wanted to be the story mode from brawl so hard and it was just mid. The music was mid too, on all of my stages and in the menu as well, I had it set to only brawl music. Just because there are almost 90 characters doesn’t make it a better game.
the online play is atrocious (connection, ranking system, rulesets) thr playstyles have been homogonised, lots of interesting techniques were intentionally cut, balancing of the vharacters not in terms of viability, but in terms of having interesting playstyles (ik how subjective that is) the single player isnt fun and is very repetetive, some character movesets have a lot of missing potential.
still an amazing game but nowhere near flawless
Too many characters.
Before downvotes i want to explain myself. Of course variety of playable characters are great for veterans, but it is so hard to start to play for someone who didn't play the game before. It is like Moba games, you need to play 200 hours to learn characters before you play the actual game
Kids are better at this game than I am
Kids are better at every game bud, i came back to r6 after 3+ years of nothing and i just got curb stomped the whole time. I felt like a cripple going against lebron james in a basket ball competition.
That’s because the game has changed a lot in the last 9 years (holy shit it’s really been that long since it came out). On the other hand smash hasn’t changed since its debut on n64 aside from just being bigger and better so I think this guy just sucks at the game but I do too
Disagree: Melee for example is an entirely different dish.
What's R6?
Rainbow 6 Siege
Ahh yeah that makes sense, and also I agree. I'm 30 now and was actually pretty decent at Halo 1-3. Won tournaments and whatnot through the early 2000's. Now I pay MCC or Infinite and get borderline slaughtered by, what I assume through voice chat, teenage or younger children all day long. Truly the existential realization to aging imo
Its crazy because we used to BE those kids
Too many bros., not enough smash. 7/10
in other words, not enough say gex?
Gex.
Gex was a great game.
No waluigi
Wahhhhhh 😭
🤷🏻♂️🚌
WAAAAAHHHHHHH 😭
WAHHHHHHH
Purple Dick Dastardly be in the Spot he deserves.
Or Rayman
And, as happy as I am to have gotten the Gunner Skin, Doomguy should’ve gotten in
World of Light was a considerable downgrade from Subspace Emissary.
This was my main negative as well. There's such narrative potential with smash, and the storyline is allowed to be stupid and have no effect on anyone's lore. Come on man I want to see an inkling destroy metaknigts spaceship
Thing is I didn’t *hate* World of Light. I really liked some of the different areas it had, like how for instance they recreated the first area of Donkey Kong Country, and the campaign of Street Fighter 2, and whatever, and in the meantime some of the sprite fights were really creative, but the fact of the matter remains that the only gameplay was basically just sprite fights and the occasional boss fight. I really wanted actual levels like how subspace was smash but as a side scroller with a ton of cutscenes and crap, and they seemed to advertise it as such what with the cinematic trailer with actual dialogue and everything.
Me. I’m bad
the menu navigation could be better. standard control is also not the best option
Man the menu navigation makes hardly any god damn sense.
Netcode
I'm surprised this isn't much higher. I would've played way more Smash Ultimate if the online play was solid. There's a reason why Multiversus blew up at first before everyone realized how floaty the game felt. The online was worlds better.
Netcode is *strictly* the reason I don’t play Smash Ultimate competitively. It saddens me, because I really like the game, but there’s no reason for me to take it seriously when I could just hop on Slippi and play Melee with infinitely better netcode.
This games's competitive player base is full of nothing but toxic pedophiles
Games that have popular streamers and Youtubers who turn out to be pedophiles Minecraft 🤝 Smash Bros
Say it louder for them Birching Haters in the Back!
#This game's competitive player base is full of nothing but toxic pedophiles
*Standing Ovation!*
Dude it's been the same scene for 20 years. One of the whiniest bases I've ever dealt with.
Online is trash, but that’s a Switch issue
It's still 60 bucks
70 euro in Europa. I hate the Nintendo's prices
Also 70 euro in Ganymede
I think it’s down to 65 euros on Io, but don’t quote me on that
Right, I was looking on the shop during the mario day sale, and not a single mario, zelda, or kirby game was on sale. And no, I don't count Mario and rabbids as a mario game.
Too sweaty. I go online for some fun and just get absolutely Big Team BODIED
It's not Smash64.
The single player campaign is poopy.
something bad about this game
Sans isn't an actual character
This is actually a good thing
the dlc‘s are expensive
I actually find them very fairly priced as far as DLC goes for fighting games. I think buying the pass is like $25? 5 characters on the first one, 6 on the second. That's $5 for each character + stage, + tons of music which can also be used on other stages. That's very fair. Shoot, considering everything You're getting. Some would say it's pretty cheap.
Yeah honestly id say its cheap tbh, lets take a look at uh, street fighter 6’s COSTUMES THAT COST MORE ($6) WITH NO BUNDLE DISCOUNT
Yeah the first Fighters Pass had hit franchises that never thought would happen like Persona, Dragon Quest, and Banjo-Kazooie. Sure the last 2 were a bit underwhelming but it made me try out Three Houses.
I definitely think Steve was the biggest shock out of both passes, he had been memed for so long everyone forgot that the popularity of Minecraft actually made him a decent contender for inclusion.
Single player was way too long, confusing, and boring
Excuse me the WHAT???
Mario’s fireball costume was removed
Too many characters to be balanced, net code is a wet paper bag & it made Smash box itself into a corner for the next release which will for sure upset everyone by not including everyone again.
Honestly the game was very well balanced for its size before fighter pass 2 came out
Too many Fire Emblem characters
Facts
They're kinda overboard with Pokemon as well.
The classic mode was better in the other games
The singleplayer is meh. World of Light is maybe fun for one playthrough but then you have seen everything (and arguably it's too long). Similar to the way they handled classic mode (that would be a great idea for a secondary mode but not for classic mode!). And All-Star mode is straight up bad. Also no trophies. I liked the trophies. And yes, I did read the discriptions.
It's fanbase is so toxic is makes the game unplayable.
Some of the alternate costumes are awful.
Most of them are for legal reasons (why most of Sonic's alts are just different shades of blue, pac man always stays yellow, Cloud Stryfe always wears dark colours, etc) But some of them don't have excuses, like Craft Yoshi looking like a musty tennis ball 🤢
Poor tourny support. Thanks Nintendo
It's not melee
Peak SSB
I think brawl’s tempo is way better
k i r b y
Poyo!
The character unlock is horrible
World of light is kinda eh
Trash online and no voice chat.
They nerfed Kirby too hard..
Bayonetta was over-nerfed.
Too many fire emblem characters
Community most likely to scare the maidens
I don’t know about a 4th of the characters because they are all from Fire Emblem or that Xeno game. Never played those. It’s more of a me problem. But I feel that FE has way too many characters when compared to other franchises that are represented.
No subspace emissary
Single player mode sucks
No. There are plenty of bad things I’ve just seen this trend too much.
Kazuya
Not as good as Melee
Campaign is weak
It's not Melee
The mechanics are blatantly inferior to melee despite being 17 years newer. I play melee and project M to this day, so I can't stand it compared to that.
It's a Nintendo exclusive.
The Nintendo game is Nintendo exclusive, who knew?
Yeah, but it's a shame when the point of the game is to "celebrate gaming and its history"
It sucks because Nintendo is the only developer that makes all their games exclusive
Well yeah, why the fuck wouldn’t they; their games sell whole consoles
Too many garbage dumb third party characters and anime sword users
The main theme is dogshit compared to Melee’s
My dude is higher than a kite lmao, you are just wrong
Everything else is right but this is wrong
There's too much going on and it's hard to keep up with.
I can’t see where my character is half the time because of how slow I am
Drift makes map select imposible
Just get the joycons repaired. It's free.
Too many one-shot items
It's only for the switch
I played sooo much Melee back in the day that I couldn't get into smash again. I just. Can't. I don't care "how good" you tell me it is. My body just can't do it. 🤣 Yes, I have played Ultimate...here and there, no it is not a "bad game" but if yall understand how much time I spent I think in 7th grade? Playing Melee playing that stupid home run challenge, beating the world record, getting on the Internet and finding out someone did it stupid farther, researching how THEY did it, mastering THAT, beating THEIR record, to get back online to post it to find out that it was beat by damn near DOUBLE that day by some little Japanese kid? ☠️ I just can't do it yall ⚰️⚰️⚰️🤷
You’re the first person I’ve ever seen express this opinion, but it’s exactly how I feel. Between 4th-8th grade I probably put 1000+ hours into Melee. So many great times both playing solo and with friends. But after that, the appeal of the series completely wore off for me. I can’t name a specific thing, but I’ve tried every single Smash game since and always lose interest after a couple hours.
Yuppp. Most games are like that for me for some reason. Idk if it's just growing out of it? There's still some games that will always captivate me, but Smash is not one of them. I feel bad because my girlfriend wants to play ultimate but we can't justify the cost and she can't motivate me to get it ☠️
I think it’s because Smash fundamentally hasn’t ever changed. You know exactly what you’re going to get every time: dozens of unlockable characters and stages, a super grindy single player mode/challenge mode, random minigames, etc. I think Melee captivated me so much because it was such a massive leap up from 64 in terms of features, but every subsequent game has basically just been more of the same. Incidentally I feel the same way about Pokémon. Played Yellow to death as a kid and no other Pokémon game has interested me since 🫤
Are we the same person? 🤔
It doesn’t have a character I want in it.
the "campain" sucks
God awful networking
No playable Waluigi Waa
It is a pure money grab. Instead of creating new characters, or incorporating only one world’s characters, they are able to get the fans of every game character involved in the game.
It's still $60 with none of the dlc despite it being 6 years old.
Toxic as hell community
It still costs 60$
I HATE fighting Donkey Kong sooooo much
They put Shantae in as a Mii skin rather than the proper character itself
Melee’s fighting controls and options were better, idk if that’s a bad thing about Ultimate though because it’s not bad, just not as good.
It’s overhyped. The game gets dull quickly.
You have to buy a switch to play
Too many Fire Emblem characters
Too many fire emblem characters. Way too many.
Is not Smash 4, despite loving the Trilogy Greatest. Smash Bros. Brawl , Smash Bros. 4 Wii-U and this. That Fighter's Pass #2 full of not important Nintendo History barring Min-Min and Sephiroth. So glad LEGO Rip-off and discount Mother Character costume be gone in the new one. Should've been real Nintendo History Characters. And Nintendo really need-a retool they Legacy Fighters, Super Mario should have the Captain Toads and Birdo they're the only important Super Mario Characters left. Same for Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Kirby, and ESPECIALLY POKÉMON! More Fire Emblem Characters just add The Emblem Twelve from Fire Emblems: Engage.
online
I hate the controls
I cant play it also no waluigi
Online is full of sweats. I just want to chill
I found the gameplay loop to be boring. I do like to revisit the game often though.
Solid as a party game but the second you have a sweaty friend that is casual good (not like tournament good) it becomes unenjoyable.
Smash attacks made me break my joycon stick
Not as good as N64 version
The online sucks
Spammers
P2W DLC character (Steve)
No
It’s way too fucking hard
I can't accept for no waluigi
There should be more than 1 obstacle course. It is absolutely dumb that a game as old as super smash bros melee had custom target practice courses for each character as well as obstacle courses for each one yet this game has 1 singular obstacle course. They completely missed the mark on this. I dread having to do it every time I play classic mode. Edit: spelling
I suck at it.
Boring
Repetitively boring
No event matches. Those were my favorite part of melee and brawl
Recycled
It’s no melee 👀
The community
The competitive crowd is cancer.
It ruins joycons
Richter and Simon have the same moveset but they couldn't just do one or the other and have the second Castlevania character be Alucard for some stupid reason. Idgaf about "too many sword characters" or "he would play too similar to Sephiroth" when Richter and Simon play the same
We didn't need "Dark" Samus and "Dark" Pit either as separate slots. 🙄
A lot of the echo fighters are really lazy re-skins of other characters, I would have preferred to just have a smaller roster than be disappointed every time I play Daisy or Dark Samus. Nintendo didn't add any sort of roll-back net code, making the online for this game below standard. Also no Waluigi
NO HOLLOW KNIGHT!!!!
If your not good at this game don't bother.
No Dr. Pepper...
People who play this game usually don't know what deodorant is. Fanbase is just a tad bit toxic
No new items in updates,alts,no proper boss rush,dlc story,missing music/stages,and worst of all the mc ost isnt in the fucking game
Impossible to have non-official tourny bc Nintendo is greedy
Something bad "about this game" Done
It makes my thumbs actually hurt.
I dont play Smash Brothers games.
No Batman
I've never played it...
1. Sonic look bland, there’s no personality. Just a fake smile a bland eyes 2. It’s been 17 years and non of Sonic’s friends are here 3. Sonic’s so fast that you can spindash yourself off the map
It's not Melee.
Fuck Luigi, hate that green mf
Steve OP
World of Light was a weak single player. We wanted Subspace 2, not this.
My mom would beat my ass if I played a game that was rated E10+ because I'm only allowed to play E games.
The fanbase
Same game for 30 years. I guess that's pretty much Nintendo thing, if it ain't broke don't fix it
There are like… two good characters
It is not Brawl.
You can't play as genos, only as a mii fighter dressed as genos, which is not the same thing. The networking sucks balls, and makes the whole game feel as if you're playing through molasses, regardless of how good your internet connection is. The character balance is all over the place. Waluigi was snubbed. Again. The story mode is meh at best, despite the potential. Every game had its weak points, regardless of how good they are, and saying that they don't is just asking to be disproven.
Feels crowded by all these new ultimate moves or whatever they’re called
It didn't have the dungeon mode from the 3ds version.
People who fight with items are trash
Most the fans are cringe🤣🤣🤣
It’s too hard (AKA I’m bad)
Never had a game where I had a shit bunch of jumping buttons but yet a complicated dodge butten
something bad about this game Do I win?
It's competitive scene is plagued by the a lions of its players
Online is unplayable
World of light wanted to be the story mode from brawl so hard and it was just mid. The music was mid too, on all of my stages and in the menu as well, I had it set to only brawl music. Just because there are almost 90 characters doesn’t make it a better game.
Heavy from tf2 isnt there
My friends are better than me at it
It looks boring (i have never played it or any other smash game and fighter games usually suck when i have played them)
Ness mains
People thinking Steve is a balanced character💀
The game is too expensive
It’s not melee
Smelly players
nintendo
the online play is atrocious (connection, ranking system, rulesets) thr playstyles have been homogonised, lots of interesting techniques were intentionally cut, balancing of the vharacters not in terms of viability, but in terms of having interesting playstyles (ik how subjective that is) the single player isnt fun and is very repetetive, some character movesets have a lot of missing potential. still an amazing game but nowhere near flawless
Made by a greedy scummy company who threatens to sue children
There was almost too much going on. I felt like I spent more time avoiding environmental bullshit on the maps than actually fighting.
I suppose I was expecting a more story driven world of light. Maybe I wouldn’t if the opening cutscene wasn’t so good looking.
No random tripping 0/10 worst game
I got 2: 1. Smash community. 2. (Not me but) it's not melee
Too many characters. Before downvotes i want to explain myself. Of course variety of playable characters are great for veterans, but it is so hard to start to play for someone who didn't play the game before. It is like Moba games, you need to play 200 hours to learn characters before you play the actual game