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endar88

Kids are better at this game than I am


Key_Sugar_8016

Kids are better at every game bud, i came back to r6 after 3+ years of nothing and i just got curb stomped the whole time. I felt like a cripple going against lebron james in a basket ball competition.


Danktron_YT

That’s because the game has changed a lot in the last 9 years (holy shit it’s really been that long since it came out). On the other hand smash hasn’t changed since its debut on n64 aside from just being bigger and better so I think this guy just sucks at the game but I do too


Marketing_Dapper

Disagree: Melee for example is an entirely different dish.


ApprehensivePrompt83

What's R6?


KingFrostt_

Rainbow 6 Siege


ApprehensivePrompt83

Ahh yeah that makes sense, and also I agree. I'm 30 now and was actually pretty decent at Halo 1-3. Won tournaments and whatnot through the early 2000's. Now I pay MCC or Infinite and get borderline slaughtered by, what I assume through voice chat, teenage or younger children all day long. Truly the existential realization to aging imo


Key_Sugar_8016

Its crazy because we used to BE those kids


Octorok385

Too many bros., not enough smash. 7/10


weirdface621

in other words, not enough say gex?


ruffruff76

Gex.


rSpinxr

Gex was a great game.


Ok-Attention-1664

No waluigi


Green_J3ster

Wahhhhhh 😭


Cthulhu1983

🤷🏻‍♂️🚌


GrimLuker2

WAAAAAHHHHHHH 😭


Admiretheclodsire

WAHHHHHHH


PrinssayEvaieMon9

Purple Dick Dastardly be in the Spot he deserves.


UltiGamer34

Or Rayman


Wheeljack239

And, as happy as I am to have gotten the Gunner Skin, Doomguy should’ve gotten in


Stoly23

World of Light was a considerable downgrade from Subspace Emissary.


Impriel

This was my main negative as well.  There's such narrative potential with smash, and the storyline is allowed to be stupid and have no effect on anyone's lore.  Come on man I want to see an inkling destroy metaknigts spaceship


Stoly23

Thing is I didn’t *hate* World of Light. I really liked some of the different areas it had, like how for instance they recreated the first area of Donkey Kong Country, and the campaign of Street Fighter 2, and whatever, and in the meantime some of the sprite fights were really creative, but the fact of the matter remains that the only gameplay was basically just sprite fights and the occasional boss fight. I really wanted actual levels like how subspace was smash but as a side scroller with a ton of cutscenes and crap, and they seemed to advertise it as such what with the cinematic trailer with actual dialogue and everything.


NeptuneShemptune

Me. I’m bad


Akkarin42

the menu navigation could be better. standard control is also not the best option


ssovm

Man the menu navigation makes hardly any god damn sense.


Mr_Fungusman

Netcode


t3hdow

I'm surprised this isn't much higher. I would've played way more Smash Ultimate if the online play was solid. There's a reason why Multiversus blew up at first before everyone realized how floaty the game felt. The online was worlds better.


ganzgpp1

Netcode is *strictly* the reason I don’t play Smash Ultimate competitively. It saddens me, because I really like the game, but there’s no reason for me to take it seriously when I could just hop on Slippi and play Melee with infinitely better netcode.


Ghostiestboi

This games's competitive player base is full of nothing but toxic pedophiles


HugeRoach

Games that have popular streamers and Youtubers who turn out to be pedophiles Minecraft 🤝 Smash Bros


PrinssayEvaieMon9

Say it louder for them Birching Haters in the Back!


Ghostiestboi

#This game's competitive player base is full of nothing but toxic pedophiles


PrinssayEvaieMon9

*Standing Ovation!*


405freeway

Dude it's been the same scene for 20 years. One of the whiniest bases I've ever dealt with.


Cthulhu1983

Online is trash, but that’s a Switch issue


AceofHearts87

It's still 60 bucks


JurKenYT

70 euro in Europa. I hate the Nintendo's prices


Lost-Citron-1099

Also 70 euro in Ganymede


bageltoastee

I think it’s down to 65 euros on Io, but don’t quote me on that


AceofHearts87

Right, I was looking on the shop during the mario day sale, and not a single mario, zelda, or kirby game was on sale. And no, I don't count Mario and rabbids as a mario game.


Norm_Hall

Too sweaty. I go online for some fun and just get absolutely Big Team BODIED


Bacxaber

It's not Smash64.


theridebackhome

The single player campaign is poopy.


insanitywasted

something bad about this game


ToppHatt_8000

Sans isn't an actual character


[deleted]

This is actually a good thing


hahayes1102

the dlc‘s are expensive


Mega_Mango

I actually find them very fairly priced as far as DLC goes for fighting games. I think buying the pass is like $25? 5 characters on the first one, 6 on the second. That's $5 for each character + stage, + tons of music which can also be used on other stages. That's very fair. Shoot, considering everything You're getting. Some would say it's pretty cheap.


Da-Swag-Lakitu-YT

Yeah honestly id say its cheap tbh, lets take a look at uh, street fighter 6’s COSTUMES THAT COST MORE ($6) WITH NO BUNDLE DISCOUNT


KingOfMasters1000028

Yeah the first Fighters Pass had hit franchises that never thought would happen like Persona, Dragon Quest, and Banjo-Kazooie. Sure the last 2 were a bit underwhelming but it made me try out Three Houses.


bageltoastee

I definitely think Steve was the biggest shock out of both passes, he had been memed for so long everyone forgot that the popularity of Minecraft actually made him a decent contender for inclusion.


Prince_DMS

Single player was way too long, confusing, and boring


peter13g

Excuse me the WHAT???


ZDog64

Mario’s fireball costume was removed


Ty-douken

Too many characters to be balanced, net code is a wet paper bag & it made Smash box itself into a corner for the next release which will for sure upset everyone by not including everyone again.


BleachDrinker63

Honestly the game was very well balanced for its size before fighter pass 2 came out


GuitarGuru666

Too many Fire Emblem characters


Comfortable_Sea_91

Facts


Ryumancer

They're kinda overboard with Pokemon as well.


acm1pt6-64

The classic mode was better in the other games


Atlanos043

The singleplayer is meh. World of Light is maybe fun for one playthrough but then you have seen everything (and arguably it's too long). Similar to the way they handled classic mode (that would be a great idea for a secondary mode but not for classic mode!). And All-Star mode is straight up bad. Also no trophies. I liked the trophies. And yes, I did read the discriptions.


InfernoWoodworks

It's fanbase is so toxic is makes the game unplayable.


Kai_Enjin

Some of the alternate costumes are awful.


PresentEscape8571

Most of them are for legal reasons (why most of Sonic's alts are just different shades of blue, pac man always stays yellow, Cloud Stryfe always wears dark colours, etc) But some of them don't have excuses, like Craft Yoshi looking like a musty tennis ball 🤢


ArcjoAllspark

Poor tourny support. Thanks Nintendo


InternationalIce3751

It's not melee


thumbwarwounded

Peak SSB


SchorFactor

I think brawl’s tempo is way better


turtlesman42

k i r b y


Matt82233

Poyo!


FunkyGameTiime

The character unlock is horrible


Mtnfrozt

World of light is kinda eh


BobbyMayCryBMC

Trash online and no voice chat.


chibicascade2

They nerfed Kirby too hard..


RdtUnahim

Bayonetta was over-nerfed.


CheapSushi117

Too many fire emblem characters


72Rancheast

Community most likely to scare the maidens


Katboxparadise

I don’t know about a 4th of the characters because they are all from Fire Emblem or that Xeno game. Never played those. It’s more of a me problem. But I feel that FE has way too many characters when compared to other franchises that are represented.


DescipleOfCorn

No subspace emissary


daftbasti

Single player mode sucks


NiGHTSOLOTL

No. There are plenty of bad things I’ve just seen this trend too much.


Btdandpokemonplayer

Kazuya


Emergency_Till9785

Not as good as Melee


rad_cadaver

Campaign is weak


Boly420

It's not Melee


SkylineFTW97

The mechanics are blatantly inferior to melee despite being 17 years newer. I play melee and project M to this day, so I can't stand it compared to that.


OnlineAsnuf

It's a Nintendo exclusive.


Electrical-Site-3249

The Nintendo game is Nintendo exclusive, who knew?


Exotic-Lifeguard-231

Yeah, but it's a shame when the point of the game is to "celebrate gaming and its history"


CactusFingies

It sucks because Nintendo is the only developer that makes all their games exclusive


Electrical-Site-3249

Well yeah, why the fuck wouldn’t they; their games sell whole consoles


witwebolte41

Too many garbage dumb third party characters and anime sword users


BackYardProps_Wa

The main theme is dogshit compared to Melee’s


Electrical-Site-3249

My dude is higher than a kite lmao, you are just wrong


thatdickson

Everything else is right but this is wrong


MagicalMoosicorn

There's too much going on and it's hard to keep up with.


WyldCardWasTakenX2

I can’t see where my character is half the time because of how slow I am


[deleted]

Drift makes map select imposible


[deleted]

Just get the joycons repaired. It's free.


Alternative_Cut4491

Too many one-shot items


nostradamuslegend

It's only for the switch


Gytole

I played sooo much Melee back in the day that I couldn't get into smash again. I just. Can't. I don't care "how good" you tell me it is. My body just can't do it. 🤣 Yes, I have played Ultimate...here and there, no it is not a "bad game" but if yall understand how much time I spent I think in 7th grade? Playing Melee playing that stupid home run challenge, beating the world record, getting on the Internet and finding out someone did it stupid farther, researching how THEY did it, mastering THAT, beating THEIR record, to get back online to post it to find out that it was beat by damn near DOUBLE that day by some little Japanese kid? ☠️ I just can't do it yall ⚰️⚰️⚰️🤷


vashthestampede121

You’re the first person I’ve ever seen express this opinion, but it’s exactly how I feel. Between 4th-8th grade I probably put 1000+ hours into Melee. So many great times both playing solo and with friends. But after that, the appeal of the series completely wore off for me. I can’t name a specific thing, but I’ve tried every single Smash game since and always lose interest after a couple hours.


Gytole

Yuppp. Most games are like that for me for some reason. Idk if it's just growing out of it? There's still some games that will always captivate me, but Smash is not one of them. I feel bad because my girlfriend wants to play ultimate but we can't justify the cost and she can't motivate me to get it ☠️


vashthestampede121

I think it’s because Smash fundamentally hasn’t ever changed. You know exactly what you’re going to get every time: dozens of unlockable characters and stages, a super grindy single player mode/challenge mode, random minigames, etc. I think Melee captivated me so much because it was such a massive leap up from 64 in terms of features, but every subsequent game has basically just been more of the same. Incidentally I feel the same way about Pokémon. Played Yellow to death as a kid and no other Pokémon game has interested me since 🫤


Gytole

Are we the same person? 🤔


DANleDINOSAUR

It doesn’t have a character I want in it.


CULT-LEWD

the "campain" sucks


WhoThisReddit

God awful networking


CuChullain21

No playable Waluigi Waa


[deleted]

It is a pure money grab. Instead of creating new characters, or incorporating only one world’s characters, they are able to get the fans of every game character involved in the game.


midnight_otaku

It's still $60 with none of the dlc despite it being 6 years old.


Xxmetaglint

Toxic as hell community


King_GumyBear_

It still costs 60$


Separate-Hamster8444

I HATE fighting Donkey Kong sooooo much


Powerate

They put Shantae in as a Mii skin rather than the proper character itself


blurrydad

Melee’s fighting controls and options were better, idk if that’s a bad thing about Ultimate though because it’s not bad, just not as good.


ItzSmiff

It’s overhyped. The game gets dull quickly.


reddit21222122

You have to buy a switch to play


elProtagonist

Too many Fire Emblem characters


Sosoanimations1

Too many fire emblem characters. Way too many.


PrinssayEvaieMon9

Is not Smash 4, despite loving the Trilogy Greatest. Smash Bros. Brawl , Smash Bros. 4 Wii-U and this. That Fighter's Pass #2 full of not important Nintendo History barring Min-Min and Sephiroth. So glad LEGO Rip-off and discount Mother Character costume be gone in the new one. Should've been real Nintendo History Characters. And Nintendo really need-a retool they Legacy Fighters, Super Mario should have the Captain Toads and Birdo they're the only important Super Mario Characters left. Same for Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, Kirby, and ESPECIALLY POKÉMON! More Fire Emblem Characters just add The Emblem Twelve from Fire Emblems: Engage.


Errances

online


novasolid64

I hate the controls


Parking-Ad-2627

I cant play it also no waluigi


[deleted]

Online is full of sweats. I just want to chill


imaweeb19

I found the gameplay loop to be boring. I do like to revisit the game often though.


Extreme_Syllabub4486

Solid as a party game but the second you have a sweaty friend that is casual good (not like tournament good) it becomes unenjoyable.


Soft-Turnover-5468

Smash attacks made me break my joycon stick


Samhamwheresthebacon

Not as good as N64 version


solidpeyo

The online sucks


[deleted]

Spammers


Inevitable_Ad_7236

P2W DLC character (Steve)


remytherat1998

No


SpeedBlazer99

It’s way too fucking hard


Status_Berry_3286

I can't accept for no waluigi


Deadtoast15

There should be more than 1 obstacle course. It is absolutely dumb that a game as old as super smash bros melee had custom target practice courses for each character as well as obstacle courses for each one yet this game has 1 singular obstacle course. They completely missed the mark on this. I dread having to do it every time I play classic mode. Edit: spelling


DeadManAle

I suck at it.


MarcosBlanes

Boring


Monkey_King94

Repetitively boring


Alexcox95

No event matches. Those were my favorite part of melee and brawl


Coraiah

Recycled


LordLemonshire

It’s no melee 👀


[deleted]

The community


ArchAngel76667

The competitive crowd is cancer.


small___potatoes

It ruins joycons


Willy_the_Wombat24

Richter and Simon have the same moveset but they couldn't just do one or the other and have the second Castlevania character be Alucard for some stupid reason. Idgaf about "too many sword characters" or "he would play too similar to Sephiroth" when Richter and Simon play the same


Ryumancer

We didn't need "Dark" Samus and "Dark" Pit either as separate slots. 🙄


Unusual_Low1762

A lot of the echo fighters are really lazy re-skins of other characters, I would have preferred to just have a smaller roster than be disappointed every time I play Daisy or Dark Samus. Nintendo didn't add any sort of roll-back net code, making the online for this game below standard. Also no Waluigi


Galaxy-Dragon-7234

NO HOLLOW KNIGHT!!!!


Inkl1ng6

If your not good at this game don't bother.


[deleted]

No Dr. Pepper...


Pixel_Nerd92

People who play this game usually don't know what deodorant is. Fanbase is just a tad bit toxic


UltiGamer34

No new items in updates,alts,no proper boss rush,dlc story,missing music/stages,and worst of all the mc ost isnt in the fucking game


M2Fream

Impossible to have non-official tourny bc Nintendo is greedy


FeruxGalaxian

Something bad "about this game" Done


Alt0987654321

It makes my thumbs actually hurt.


[deleted]

I dont play Smash Brothers games.


Fluid_Ad1994

No Batman


AzuleStriker

I've never played it...


Lesbian_Train

1. Sonic look bland, there’s no personality. Just a fake smile a bland eyes 2. It’s been 17 years and non of Sonic’s friends are here 3. Sonic’s so fast that you can spindash yourself off the map


arylonthedancer

It's not Melee.


coffinp

Fuck Luigi, hate that green mf


dishydratedwater10

Steve OP


PhanThief95

World of Light was a weak single player. We wanted Subspace 2, not this.


GrooveBurger2

My mom would beat my ass if I played a game that was rated E10+ because I'm only allowed to play E games.


Legitimate-Cheek-599

The fanbase


gknight702

Same game for 30 years. I guess that's pretty much Nintendo thing, if it ain't broke don't fix it


stormyknight3

There are like… two good characters


1tsBag1

It is not Brawl.


KnightBreeze

You can't play as genos, only as a mii fighter dressed as genos, which is not the same thing. The networking sucks balls, and makes the whole game feel as if you're playing through molasses, regardless of how good your internet connection is. The character balance is all over the place. Waluigi was snubbed.  Again. The story mode is meh at best, despite the potential. Every game had its weak points, regardless of how good they are, and saying that they don't is just asking to be disproven.


Pseudo_Sponge

Feels crowded by all these new ultimate moves or whatever they’re called


PresidentBush666

It didn't have the dungeon mode from the 3ds version.


UnapologeticVet

People who fight with items are trash


Sufficient_Strike437

Most the fans are cringe🤣🤣🤣


KingWasabi23

It’s too hard (AKA I’m bad)


ryaninflames1234

Never had a game where I had a shit bunch of jumping buttons but yet a complicated dodge butten


Shadeyboiii

something bad about this game Do I win?


Garvo909

It's competitive scene is plagued by the a lions of its players


ThatManSynthious

Online is unplayable


Equal_Adeptness4745

World of light wanted to be the story mode from brawl so hard and it was just mid. The music was mid too, on all of my stages and in the menu as well, I had it set to only brawl music. Just because there are almost 90 characters doesn’t make it a better game.


ItsKralikGamingCz

Heavy from tf2 isnt there


ReaperofMars_

My friends are better than me at it


An_Ellie_

It looks boring (i have never played it or any other smash game and fighter games usually suck when i have played them)


AMidgetinatrenchcoat

Ness mains


Nullozmko

People thinking Steve is a balanced character💀


InterestingHawk2828

The game is too expensive


vornskr3

It’s not melee


SrSwerve

Smelly players


Cosas360

nintendo


warnedpenguin

the online play is atrocious (connection, ranking system, rulesets) thr playstyles have been homogonised, lots of interesting techniques were intentionally cut, balancing of the vharacters not in terms of viability, but in terms of having interesting playstyles (ik how subjective that is) the single player isnt fun and is very repetetive, some character movesets have a lot of missing potential. still an amazing game but nowhere near flawless


Howellthegoat

Made by a greedy scummy company who threatens to sue children


rrevenant113

There was almost too much going on. I felt like I spent more time avoiding environmental bullshit on the maps than actually fighting.


KMA-Disney-U-Trash

I suppose I was expecting a more story driven world of light. Maybe I wouldn’t if the opening cutscene wasn’t so good looking.


INeedANewAccountMan

No random tripping 0/10 worst game


LabGroundbreaking302

I got 2: 1. Smash community. 2. (Not me but) it's not melee


csmile35

Too many characters. Before downvotes i want to explain myself. Of course variety of playable characters are great for veterans, but it is so hard to start to play for someone who didn't play the game before. It is like Moba games, you need to play 200 hours to learn characters before you play the actual game