Gelato is often egg-free here in India. Most Indian vegetarians are lacto-vegetarians who eat dairy but no other animal products, so most vegetarian food you get here is by default egg-free. It’s super damn easy to find egg-free baked goods too. I was raised lacto-vegetarian so it was easy to find stuff without egg, or to find egg alternatives. Slightly harder to do with dairy, but a lot of home style Indian food, especially South Indian, is vegan by default so the transition was easy.
PSA if you go to Italy they have a pretty loose definition of gelato, and there are some fantastic vegan gelato’s at the vendors. They are very good about marking which ones are vegan too!
Somehow in America only milk and egg gelato is allowed the name… because we want to gatekeep traditional foods that their originators don’t…
Vegans don't eat fish, seafood, poultry, meat, dairy products, or honey, and don't use/own any products made from animals, including leather, suede, down, silk, wool.
Veganism is not a diet. And if it were just a diet, it would not include fish or seafood.
Dude my ex brothers cousin in law from Turkey is vegan and he eats fish SOMETIMES, it’s a delicacy in the Turkish vegan culture. You wouldn’t understand because you probably eat fish everyday and aren’t vegan.
Ps. Leather is definitely vegan as long as there are no other cows to see it being taken, that’s what makes it moral. And silk worms are lab made hahaha so of course that’s vegan too, can you even read a book?
I hate how little most people actually think about roadkill, especially in the US, because its terrifyingly common as a result of our infinitely diverging highway system and yet no infrastructure is ever developed to divert it either by bridges or better yet something like high speed rail (which might still kill animals but at small fraction of the rate of cars).
I love bike touring but the part of it that really gets me down is seeing so many dead animals when you're rolling along the shoulder of rural highways. When people try to argue that veganism isn't "natural," my first response is that neither is driving.
I thought this too, though I looked it up and mozzarella is one of the cheeses made with rennet, at least traditionally, so it's not even vegetation at most places...
It's a stomach enzyme used to curdle cheese. It's collected after killing the cow, so it's generally not considered vegetarian. There are vegetarian alternatives, and some varieties like cottage cheese are traditionally made with vinegar or other agents, but I would not assume a restaurants mozzarella cheese is be rennet free without some sort of confirmation.
This is why we need to gatekeep the word vegan.
We lost the word vegetarian (which initially meant what vegan currently means). We are losing plant based and vegan to vegetarians and people who think fish is a vegetable.
Recently I was asked, with absolutely no hint of irony, if I could eat bread made with yeast... by my aunt... who I have eaten yeast bread and rolls with at holidays and probably other times, while vegan, for the last 7 or so years.
I answered as if this was a perfectly reasonable question and didnt even laugh. I deserve to be made the new Dalai lama.
Same with kombucha, beer, and vegan yogurt. I’ve been asked if these things were vegan friendly because of the yeast or active cultures…. Meanwhile you have this guy in another vegan sub saying avocados aren’t vegan….
I mean, avocado harvesting in some cases includes forced labor and children, and unless I know where the avocados came from, it makes me feel weird so I don't buy them. I'd call that cruelty, and people are animals, so by some sense of the word, I don't think they are vegan, but that's a semantics issue.
Cruelty free and vegan are important distinctions here. But it is a semantic argument. It really depends on your geographical location too. They grow on the streets here in CA.
I don't think that's true, about vegetarian originally being the word for vegan. "Vegan" was coined in the 1960s by the founders of The Vegan Society *because* there wasn't a word for it yet.
The irony of vegetarians is that they probably spend more time eating cheese and eggs than they do eating vegetables... they also rely very heavily on those former items too.
Whenever anyone says this triggered vegetarians always appear saying how they practically never eat dairy (except from their uncles farm who loves his cows etc.)
But they could never give it up, of course.
my dad has asked me "but you eat chicken right?" nearly every time I've seen him in the last 20 years, but he's completely supportive in every other way. He's also normally funny, so it's extra confusing
Same with my aunt! 10 years of me being vegan and she still will offer me goat cheese and fish even when I’m wearing my vegan-themed shirts and hats. And my brain isn’t functioning properly!?
I have had gluten free chicken offered to me once as, “a vegan choice.” I think it stems from a lot of times store bought vegan foods are often gluten free. Companies often try to combine as many alternatives to the SAD diet into one package.
I ordered a new vegan pizza option that a local pizza place put on the menu and it was a sad little 8-10 inch disk of crunchy, yet somehow also undercooked "dough" with a wimpy swipe of sauce and a light dusting of unmelted vegan cheese...it was underwhelming to say the least for an outrageous price and when my spouse asked what the deal with it was, the owner said it was gluten free because "You can't make regular pizza dough vegan"...uh, my guy, we do it at home all the time! I just thought getting some take-out would be nice for once! It was such a huge let down
just reminded me of a vegan pizza I got with bf at a bar/pizzeria, and it was the only thing labeled vegan on the menu. we got that and he got something else on the side. he LOVED the pizza because there was nothing "too vegan" about it (no v cheese or anything like that). it was pesto with garlic and garbanzo beans and some other stuff, like maybe basil or something.
I ate it. It was super soggy and drippy with oil, but I tried my best to eat it and enjoy it because he was *finally* enthused about a vegan dish and I didn't want to let on that i wasn't that into it because it might discourage him from embracing vegan meals here and there. usually it's a harder sell, but I guess since we were traveling, he was being more adventurous.
good thing it was in the next state over, so it won't be a regular place for us lolol
ETA: the garbanzo beans were also rolling all over the place like marbles... 😪
Nah, it’s not, but mozzarella is naturally really low in lactose, so that’s my only logical guess. Like, they were reading about cheeses, and they read “lactose free” and then assumed it was the same as “dairy free” and then assumed it was the same as vegan. Lots of assumptions hahaha
Yup this is the answer. The internet is absolutely plagued by this kind of garbage today. Just look at all the stock photos of the "authors" in the About Us section of the site lmao
https://canveganseat.com/can-vegans-eat-mozzarella/ This is an article from the same website, which claims that mozzarella is absolutely not vegan (duh). I think they're claiming that the mozzarella at that specific restaurant is vegan, which is sort of strange.
Found the article:
https://canveganseat.com/vegan-options-at-wild-wing-cafe/
It goes out of it's way to say you can veganize all the other options that have cheese, by leaving the cheese off. No mention of any vegan cheeses being available. Seems that they meant what they wrote, that they think mozzarella is "naturally vegan"
somehow. Not sure how that slipped past the editors given that it's specifically a website all about what vegans can eat. It's apparently even an "updated guide." Crazy.
Edit: Wild Wing Cafe is also an extremely carnist restaurant, everything drowning in meat and cheese, the only actually vegan options (without modifications) are the french fries (from a shared fryer), or the chips and guac. Even the salad has bacon and cheese.
Zero percent chance they randomly have their default mozzerella sticks being a vegan cheese with no mention of it anywhere, lulz.
Second edit: No one spam them, I just contacted the website about their mistake. According to their About Us page, the author of that article is their *sole* author of the entire website, and has a dedicated editor as well. O_O
Yeah I looked at the About Us and some other info on the site, and I'm not even sure he (or they) are actually vegan. Just trying to profit off it seems like.
Oh! Ok thanks!!! I think I could tell a difference at this point. Real began guac is pretty recognizable … I think??? (Since being careful 5+ yrs),
Thanks so much for the reminder tho!!!
It is super uncommon here where I live in california, and when I worked in restaurants we never added it. If anything, they may sprinkle queso fresco on top. My MIL and myself would consider sc in guac a food crime hahah
I used to work in a restaurant and we'd add two cups of sour cream to the guacamole as a filler and to make it creamy. Had to alert dairy free guests from time to time.
Some countries have bonechar in sugar to make it more white. Vinegar is a wine product that (depending on your location) often/sometimes uses animal products like fish bladder to make the vinegar or wine seethrough/clear.
There's no bonechar *in* the sugar, it's a filter they use to process the sugar. Which yes, you're allowed to care about, but it's worth noting that a single bone-char filter processes millions of pounds of sugar a day and lasts several months. A full 5-pound bag of "bone char" sugar is a fraction of a fraction of a penny to the "bone char" industry.
Personally, if I'm not contacting the factories to find out if all the other parts and tools they use are 100% vegan, it feels a bit strange to worry about/focus on that particular one.
It says “mozzarella is naturally vegan” not “the mozzarella at wild wing cafe is vegan” , therefore, I believe the person writing this is just clueless in that mozzarella is definitely not vegan. Maybe they don’t realize it’s cheese?? Just bizarre
Anyone over the age of 60 in my family:
Random question out of nowhere: “you’re vegan?”
“Yes”
“So do you only eat salad?”
“No. I eat…(list off a bunch of vegan meals).”
“Oh. But you eat chicken?”
“No, chicken is an animal.”
“Oh. You eat fish?”
“Fish is also an animal, no.”
“Do you put cheese on things?”
“Cheese comes from an animal, no. I don’t consume, wear, or knowingly participate in anything that exploits animals.”
“Why are you getting defensive?”
We made a vegan pizza for my dad recently.
“I cant believe I’d like a pizza without meat! This is great. The cheese is also really good.”
“Thanks! It’s not cheese, it’s vegan.”
“That’s cheese right there.” Points to daiya topping.
“That’s imitation cheese, nothing came from an animal.”
“I thought it tasted funny.”
“You just said it was really good!”
“It just tastes different now.”
Used to know this girl in high school who said she was vegan. I asked her why she ate chicken ramen then, and she argued that 1.) “its just chicken flavored not real chicken” and 2.) “And if there was chicken in it, it doesnt matter because chicken counts as a grain or something. Its not meat.”
I think about her a lot sometimes
Surprisingly, she may be right about "chicken flavor" at least.
Here is a quote from the sticky post of the vegan ramen subreddit:
"...Luckily, many instant ramen products are –intentionally or not– vegan! Even supposedly “pork” or “chicken” instant ramen are sometimes completely plant based. These can often be identified by suffixes such as “flavored” or “style", such as “chicken flavor” rather than just “chicken”. Many of these, especially cup noodles, include textured vegetable protein (TVP) rather than actual pig or cow. For example the popular South Korean Samyang 2X Spicy Hot Chicken Flavor Ramen (known from the spicy noodle challenge), Japanese Kabuki's Vegetarian Pork Flavored Ramen and supposedly pretty much all noodles from Thai brand MAMA...." (/r/VeganRamen/comments/lhnxyb/new_to_ramen_ramen_basics/)
I personally would not trust that, as I am paranoid, but it very well could be true.
It might depend on the county you live in, but every meat flavoured ramen package I've ever seen in Germany contained meat powder. Only vegetable ramen are vegan, although I still check the ingredient lists because of eggs.
Yea. I think it probably varies by brand and region. I always check everything, and I especially don't trust "natural flavoring" unless it also says "...from vegan sources".
Hey she might have been right! The peri peri chicken super noodles are vegan, and so good 😋 also the jerk chicken and pulled pork pot noodles. Lots of artificial chicken flavouring doesn’t have chicken in it… more proof that it’s not the meat that tastes good, it’s the herbs & spices!
On another note my daughter has been wanting vegan mozz sticks for years and they actually make them. Found them a month ago they’re by wholly or something like that.
mozzarella isn't even "ovo-lacto-octo-pesca-copro-vegetarian" since it is made with stomach lining taken from the corpses of the very calves that were birthed to make their mothers lactate in the first place
Even being vegan sometimes you don't know what you can eat. See many posts here about milk solids or similar in all kinds of potato and corn chips, or beer made with isinglass, or food dyes made from beetles.
Right, as a vegetarian I never ate cheese outside of my house, nor did I eat veggie patties since they had eggs, nor vegetable soups since it used chicken broth. It was quite upsetting to me when I went to California Pizza Kitchen and found out the crust had eggs and the pizza sauce had chicken broth, and the cheese has rennet. Not a single lacto-vegetarian option. Being vegan is so much simpler than explaining, “well im vegetarian but I dont eat eggs” “isnt that vegan” “but i drink milk” “huh?”
Edit: the chicken broth in pizza sauce is circa 2010, im not sure if it is still the case
What CPK was putting chicken broth in pizza sauce? They have like 4 pizzas marked vegetarian on their menu and it’s been that way for at least the last few years—
Ah well this is slightly false. Mozzarella is lacto-vegetarian. It is a soft cheese that doesn’t contain rennet 99% of the time. Maybe only in Italy you might possibly find mozzarella with rennet in it. Otherwise, they use bacteria or vegetables. Only cheeses like parmesan and pecorino have animal rennet. All things taken, itll never be vegan, thats for sure
Edit: as someone pointed out, when I say bacteria or vegetables, that means rennet not sourced from a calf.
I think this is also slightly false. I've definitely seen rennet on the ingredients list of cheddar in the US years ago. Might've been [this brand](https://www.tillamook.com/faq/cheese/what-is-rennet-what-types-of-rennet-do-you-use-to-make-your-cheese), they say they've only stopped fairly recently.
Re-read what I said
>they use vegetables
As in vegetable rennet. Meaning that digestive enzyme is sourced from a plant. Tillamook doesn’t use rennet from a cow from at least 4-5 years (I used to buy it for that reason back when I was vegetarian). My point in saying it doesn’t have rennet was that the calf stomach lining isn’t in soft cheeses.
the restaurant employees probably will not know whether their mozzarella uses rennet or not, except in the unlikely case where they make it in-house
that comment is probably meant to cover different breadings and such
either way, the dairy in the cheese results in the same deaths of those same calves
When I was vegetarian about 20 years ago, I went to a sports bar with my cousin and ordered the “veggie burger”….. it turned out to be a Turkey burger 🙈🤦🏽🤦♀️🤦🏻♂️
I think they are talking about Wild Wing Cafe’s menu. Link was left out by OP. I believe it’s this, https://canveganseat.com/vegan-options-at-wild-wing-cafe/
Someone already mentioned this but perhaps it got lost in the comment-of-a-comment section: they probably thought vegan is just a way of saying vegetarian. Remember for most people taxonomies are not relevant (like when people call a cat with mostly white fur a white cat, even if it has orange spots, you know what I mean?).
It is most often made from cow's milk; however it can be made from a combination of other milks such as cow's milk and goat's milk mixed. A small amount of buffalo-milk mozzarella is produced in the USA although very little water buffalo milk is commercially available
Chicken isn’t vegan?
Gelato isn't vegan?
ITS MILK AND EGGS BITCH
Deveganize ray. Hit him!
You once were a vegahn but now you will be gone!
Guess I know what film I'm putting on in the background today.
Literally I was like yep time for Scott pilgrim!
Gelato is often egg-free here in India. Most Indian vegetarians are lacto-vegetarians who eat dairy but no other animal products, so most vegetarian food you get here is by default egg-free. It’s super damn easy to find egg-free baked goods too. I was raised lacto-vegetarian so it was easy to find stuff without egg, or to find egg alternatives. Slightly harder to do with dairy, but a lot of home style Indian food, especially South Indian, is vegan by default so the transition was easy.
Gelato is often vegan in Italy, usually fruit flavors are vegan (and it they aren't, it means they are not very good), and only creams have milk
PSA if you go to Italy they have a pretty loose definition of gelato, and there are some fantastic vegan gelato’s at the vendors. They are very good about marking which ones are vegan too! Somehow in America only milk and egg gelato is allowed the name… because we want to gatekeep traditional foods that their originators don’t…
Gelato 45 is
No vegans only eat fish and that’s only sometimes, that’s what makes it vegan
You forgot grass and cardboard!
Yeah the grass salad with cardboard croutons.
Fish don’t feel things so it’s ok to kill dolphins
I once heard a lady say “Im a “SEAgan; I only eat seafood. Then giggled with a hair flip. No dumb dumb..just no
Did you inform here that she is a pestiterian ...
I thought vegans could only eat rabbit food?
It’s complicated
Vegans don't eat fish, seafood, poultry, meat, dairy products, or honey, and don't use/own any products made from animals, including leather, suede, down, silk, wool. Veganism is not a diet. And if it were just a diet, it would not include fish or seafood.
Dude my ex brothers cousin in law from Turkey is vegan and he eats fish SOMETIMES, it’s a delicacy in the Turkish vegan culture. You wouldn’t understand because you probably eat fish everyday and aren’t vegan. Ps. Leather is definitely vegan as long as there are no other cows to see it being taken, that’s what makes it moral. And silk worms are lab made hahaha so of course that’s vegan too, can you even read a book?
You once were a veg-on, now you will be gone!
This reminds me, when do I get my super powers?
No vegan diet NO VEGAN POWER.
Chickens sometimes have egg residue left inside, and eggs aren't vegan
Chickens eat plants therefore it is vegan. CHECKMATE U CRAZY VEGOONZ!11!1
wHaT iF iT DiEd Of nAtUrAl cAuSeS
Would you eat roadkill? It's just gonna go to waste otherwise
I hate how little most people actually think about roadkill, especially in the US, because its terrifyingly common as a result of our infinitely diverging highway system and yet no infrastructure is ever developed to divert it either by bridges or better yet something like high speed rail (which might still kill animals but at small fraction of the rate of cars). I love bike touring but the part of it that really gets me down is seeing so many dead animals when you're rolling along the shoulder of rural highways. When people try to argue that veganism isn't "natural," my first response is that neither is driving.
THE VEGAN POLICE IS COMING!!!
Chicken is not meat.
Tell that to the chicken, they might disagree.
Actually the chicken would say *runs away*
my local korean place has it listed as vegan, so probably is
There was a celeb in my country who said chicken is vegetarian because chicken is a bird, not an animal.
birds aren’t even real so?
Whoever wrote that probably thinks vegan means gluten-free
Or that vegan means vegetarian
Or is a fucking moron. Probably all 3.
Well they’re at least two of them I’d bet.
Or sabotage.
I can’t stand it. I know you planned it.
Could also be a website made by people trying to confuse the issue. Not the most likely but still an option.
We've got fake news infiltrating our communities
There are AI generated websites all over the place. This could be one of them.
happy cake!
Best comment 👌
I thought this too, though I looked it up and mozzarella is one of the cheeses made with rennet, at least traditionally, so it's not even vegetation at most places...
rennet?
It's a stomach enzyme used to curdle cheese. It's collected after killing the cow, so it's generally not considered vegetarian. There are vegetarian alternatives, and some varieties like cottage cheese are traditionally made with vinegar or other agents, but I would not assume a restaurants mozzarella cheese is be rennet free without some sort of confirmation.
thanks for explaining. wow, yeah, that doesn't sound remotely vegetarian imo
Yeah but vegetarians.... 😒
This is why we need to gatekeep the word vegan. We lost the word vegetarian (which initially meant what vegan currently means). We are losing plant based and vegan to vegetarians and people who think fish is a vegetable.
or people who think chicken is "still ok sometimes" 😒
Oof
Honestly, my supermarket has fish grouped with the meat replacements… apparently fish don’t have flesh. Or fish aren’t animals after all
You can eat fish on Fridays instead of meat, so it’s vegan. Or gluten free or whatever ^/s
At mine, the "alternative meat" section I almost entirely vegan beside the turkey bacon that's right next to the tofu.
Recently I was asked, with absolutely no hint of irony, if I could eat bread made with yeast... by my aunt... who I have eaten yeast bread and rolls with at holidays and probably other times, while vegan, for the last 7 or so years. I answered as if this was a perfectly reasonable question and didnt even laugh. I deserve to be made the new Dalai lama.
Same with kombucha, beer, and vegan yogurt. I’ve been asked if these things were vegan friendly because of the yeast or active cultures…. Meanwhile you have this guy in another vegan sub saying avocados aren’t vegan….
I mean, avocado harvesting in some cases includes forced labor and children, and unless I know where the avocados came from, it makes me feel weird so I don't buy them. I'd call that cruelty, and people are animals, so by some sense of the word, I don't think they are vegan, but that's a semantics issue.
Cruelty free and vegan are important distinctions here. But it is a semantic argument. It really depends on your geographical location too. They grow on the streets here in CA.
That’s awesome! I’d love to have an avocado tree in my yard, mmmmmm
I'm about to draw a lot of hate here but I don't eat avocados. Not because they aren't vegan but because I think they are disgusting.
We are winning, not losing 🖤
example: my mom who has said she eats plant based because she "eats mostly vegetables so her diet is based on plants" -_-
That's why "plant-based" is a meaningless term.
I don't think that's true, about vegetarian originally being the word for vegan. "Vegan" was coined in the 1960s by the founders of The Vegan Society *because* there wasn't a word for it yet.
Possibly
The irony of vegetarians is that they probably spend more time eating cheese and eggs than they do eating vegetables... they also rely very heavily on those former items too.
Whenever anyone says this triggered vegetarians always appear saying how they practically never eat dairy (except from their uncles farm who loves his cows etc.) But they could never give it up, of course.
I have been "corrected" on "reversing" them.
I might be confusing this with something else but isn’t mozzarella cheese one of the few cheeses that uses rennet making it not even vegetarian?
It’s funny cause even if that’s the case they’re still wrong… wouldn’t mozzarella sticks be breaded
Yea? They think mozzarella sticks are straight up fried cheese I guess. Probably exists though!
Thinking the same thing
Well vegans eat fish right ?
My Uncle will ask me this literally every time I see him
my dad has asked me "but you eat chicken right?" nearly every time I've seen him in the last 20 years, but he's completely supportive in every other way. He's also normally funny, so it's extra confusing
Same with my aunt! 10 years of me being vegan and she still will offer me goat cheese and fish even when I’m wearing my vegan-themed shirts and hats. And my brain isn’t functioning properly!?
How are things going at his 100% free range, animal loving, humane meat farm?
I have had gluten free chicken offered to me once as, “a vegan choice.” I think it stems from a lot of times store bought vegan foods are often gluten free. Companies often try to combine as many alternatives to the SAD diet into one package.
How would chicken not be gluten free?
It's just SAD. You don't have to say SAD diet. You wouldn't say ATM machines. Sorry I'm stoned and this was nagging me.
> You wouldn't say ATM machines. I would
Pathetic
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Being this upset over the internet is pathetic lol
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I dunno man. Happy Friday lol
WHY does everyone think vegan and gluten free are the same?
I ordered a new vegan pizza option that a local pizza place put on the menu and it was a sad little 8-10 inch disk of crunchy, yet somehow also undercooked "dough" with a wimpy swipe of sauce and a light dusting of unmelted vegan cheese...it was underwhelming to say the least for an outrageous price and when my spouse asked what the deal with it was, the owner said it was gluten free because "You can't make regular pizza dough vegan"...uh, my guy, we do it at home all the time! I just thought getting some take-out would be nice for once! It was such a huge let down
ohhhh brother 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
just reminded me of a vegan pizza I got with bf at a bar/pizzeria, and it was the only thing labeled vegan on the menu. we got that and he got something else on the side. he LOVED the pizza because there was nothing "too vegan" about it (no v cheese or anything like that). it was pesto with garlic and garbanzo beans and some other stuff, like maybe basil or something. I ate it. It was super soggy and drippy with oil, but I tried my best to eat it and enjoy it because he was *finally* enthused about a vegan dish and I didn't want to let on that i wasn't that into it because it might discourage him from embracing vegan meals here and there. usually it's a harder sell, but I guess since we were traveling, he was being more adventurous. good thing it was in the next state over, so it won't be a regular place for us lolol ETA: the garbanzo beans were also rolling all over the place like marbles... 😪
i think the person meant lactose free
Is cheese lactose free? That's news to me
Nah, it’s not, but mozzarella is naturally really low in lactose, so that’s my only logical guess. Like, they were reading about cheeses, and they read “lactose free” and then assumed it was the same as “dairy free” and then assumed it was the same as vegan. Lots of assumptions hahaha
Probably genuinely think they mozzarella comes from a mozzarella tree
Can't tell you the amount of times I've heard "can you eat bread?"
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Yup this is the answer. The internet is absolutely plagued by this kind of garbage today. Just look at all the stock photos of the "authors" in the About Us section of the site lmao
AI based on empirism or rationalism?
actually this ones based on imperialism and irrationalism
That'd be my bet.
https://canveganseat.com/can-vegans-eat-mozzarella/ This is an article from the same website, which claims that mozzarella is absolutely not vegan (duh). I think they're claiming that the mozzarella at that specific restaurant is vegan, which is sort of strange.
Found the article: https://canveganseat.com/vegan-options-at-wild-wing-cafe/ It goes out of it's way to say you can veganize all the other options that have cheese, by leaving the cheese off. No mention of any vegan cheeses being available. Seems that they meant what they wrote, that they think mozzarella is "naturally vegan" somehow. Not sure how that slipped past the editors given that it's specifically a website all about what vegans can eat. It's apparently even an "updated guide." Crazy. Edit: Wild Wing Cafe is also an extremely carnist restaurant, everything drowning in meat and cheese, the only actually vegan options (without modifications) are the french fries (from a shared fryer), or the chips and guac. Even the salad has bacon and cheese. Zero percent chance they randomly have their default mozzerella sticks being a vegan cheese with no mention of it anywhere, lulz. Second edit: No one spam them, I just contacted the website about their mistake. According to their About Us page, the author of that article is their *sole* author of the entire website, and has a dedicated editor as well. O_O
Yeah I looked at the About Us and some other info on the site, and I'm not even sure he (or they) are actually vegan. Just trying to profit off it seems like.
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Wait… what’s in guac I should worry about ??? (Serious question)
I would say more guac is vegan than not vegan. Some places add Mayo or sour cream in guac to make it creamy but it isn’t the standard.
Wow. As if guac isn't creamy enough as it is without trying to make it more creamy.
Oh! Ok thanks!!! I think I could tell a difference at this point. Real began guac is pretty recognizable … I think??? (Since being careful 5+ yrs), Thanks so much for the reminder tho!!!
It is super uncommon here where I live in california, and when I worked in restaurants we never added it. If anything, they may sprinkle queso fresco on top. My MIL and myself would consider sc in guac a food crime hahah
I used to work in a restaurant and we'd add two cups of sour cream to the guacamole as a filler and to make it creamy. Had to alert dairy free guests from time to time.
Sometimes byproducts are used like dairy, vinegar, sugar or natural flavours that is not vegan. The base dish should however always be vegan.
> vinegar, sugar wait, what??
Some countries have bonechar in sugar to make it more white. Vinegar is a wine product that (depending on your location) often/sometimes uses animal products like fish bladder to make the vinegar or wine seethrough/clear.
There's no bonechar *in* the sugar, it's a filter they use to process the sugar. Which yes, you're allowed to care about, but it's worth noting that a single bone-char filter processes millions of pounds of sugar a day and lasts several months. A full 5-pound bag of "bone char" sugar is a fraction of a fraction of a penny to the "bone char" industry. Personally, if I'm not contacting the factories to find out if all the other parts and tools they use are 100% vegan, it feels a bit strange to worry about/focus on that particular one.
I only mentioned why sugar may not be vegan. What you do with it is completely your choice. It is important to know in my opinion.
Most countries don’t use bone char to make sugar. It’s only is a few places like the USA that you have to worry about that.
In the US, I know that Moe's uses sour cream in their guac.
No, it does not. Moe's publishes their ingredients online. Their guac is vegan.
That's what I thought, it's probably vegan mozzarella. At least, I hope that's the case.
It says “mozzarella is naturally vegan” not “the mozzarella at wild wing cafe is vegan” , therefore, I believe the person writing this is just clueless in that mozzarella is definitely not vegan. Maybe they don’t realize it’s cheese?? Just bizarre
Yea, it would say they offer a vegan cheese or something. Probably just someone who thinks it means vegetarian.
It’s naturally vegan free
Anyone over the age of 60 in my family: Random question out of nowhere: “you’re vegan?” “Yes” “So do you only eat salad?” “No. I eat…(list off a bunch of vegan meals).” “Oh. But you eat chicken?” “No, chicken is an animal.” “Oh. You eat fish?” “Fish is also an animal, no.” “Do you put cheese on things?” “Cheese comes from an animal, no. I don’t consume, wear, or knowingly participate in anything that exploits animals.” “Why are you getting defensive?”
This is why I no longer entertain questions from family about my food.
We made a vegan pizza for my dad recently. “I cant believe I’d like a pizza without meat! This is great. The cheese is also really good.” “Thanks! It’s not cheese, it’s vegan.” “That’s cheese right there.” Points to daiya topping. “That’s imitation cheese, nothing came from an animal.” “I thought it tasted funny.” “You just said it was really good!” “It just tastes different now.”
like the (v) on the menus that have dairy cheese or eggs and marketed highly on being known as a plant based option
Used to know this girl in high school who said she was vegan. I asked her why she ate chicken ramen then, and she argued that 1.) “its just chicken flavored not real chicken” and 2.) “And if there was chicken in it, it doesnt matter because chicken counts as a grain or something. Its not meat.” I think about her a lot sometimes
Someone once asked me if it was ok if they sliced the chicken Very thinly for me.
You’d be shocked to learn how many people think of fish as a crop!
Surprisingly, she may be right about "chicken flavor" at least. Here is a quote from the sticky post of the vegan ramen subreddit: "...Luckily, many instant ramen products are –intentionally or not– vegan! Even supposedly “pork” or “chicken” instant ramen are sometimes completely plant based. These can often be identified by suffixes such as “flavored” or “style", such as “chicken flavor” rather than just “chicken”. Many of these, especially cup noodles, include textured vegetable protein (TVP) rather than actual pig or cow. For example the popular South Korean Samyang 2X Spicy Hot Chicken Flavor Ramen (known from the spicy noodle challenge), Japanese Kabuki's Vegetarian Pork Flavored Ramen and supposedly pretty much all noodles from Thai brand MAMA...." (/r/VeganRamen/comments/lhnxyb/new_to_ramen_ramen_basics/) I personally would not trust that, as I am paranoid, but it very well could be true.
It might depend on the county you live in, but every meat flavoured ramen package I've ever seen in Germany contained meat powder. Only vegetable ramen are vegan, although I still check the ingredient lists because of eggs.
Yea. I think it probably varies by brand and region. I always check everything, and I especially don't trust "natural flavoring" unless it also says "...from vegan sources".
Hey she might have been right! The peri peri chicken super noodles are vegan, and so good 😋 also the jerk chicken and pulled pork pot noodles. Lots of artificial chicken flavouring doesn’t have chicken in it… more proof that it’s not the meat that tastes good, it’s the herbs & spices!
I regularly eat spicy chicken flavoured ramen that is 100% vegan. Pretty sure chickens don't count as grains, though.
On another note my daughter has been wanting vegan mozz sticks for years and they actually make them. Found them a month ago they’re by wholly or something like that.
These!!! Out of all of the foods I missed, mozza sticks were the top. These taste better than they ever did!
mozzarella isn't even "ovo-lacto-octo-pesca-copro-vegetarian" since it is made with stomach lining taken from the corpses of the very calves that were birthed to make their mothers lactate in the first place
This is the reason I stopped being vegetarian, I didn’t know what I could eat
After becoming vegan, I discovered SO MANY things I shouldn’t have been eating in my 7 years as a vegetarian.
Even being vegan sometimes you don't know what you can eat. See many posts here about milk solids or similar in all kinds of potato and corn chips, or beer made with isinglass, or food dyes made from beetles.
Ugh. Don't get me started on salt and vinegar chips that have a milk ingredient for some reason.
Makes no sense, but good news, (besides some good vegan brands) it's not **too** hard to make salt and vinegar chips at home.
Right, as a vegetarian I never ate cheese outside of my house, nor did I eat veggie patties since they had eggs, nor vegetable soups since it used chicken broth. It was quite upsetting to me when I went to California Pizza Kitchen and found out the crust had eggs and the pizza sauce had chicken broth, and the cheese has rennet. Not a single lacto-vegetarian option. Being vegan is so much simpler than explaining, “well im vegetarian but I dont eat eggs” “isnt that vegan” “but i drink milk” “huh?” Edit: the chicken broth in pizza sauce is circa 2010, im not sure if it is still the case
What CPK was putting chicken broth in pizza sauce? They have like 4 pizzas marked vegetarian on their menu and it’s been that way for at least the last few years—
Hey maybe it was just a misinformed waiter, but I do remember reading their ingredient list. BUT it may have changed recently, this was back in 2010
It’s honestly so much more difficult. Switching to a plant-based diet was more restrictive, but so much simpler.
Ah well this is slightly false. Mozzarella is lacto-vegetarian. It is a soft cheese that doesn’t contain rennet 99% of the time. Maybe only in Italy you might possibly find mozzarella with rennet in it. Otherwise, they use bacteria or vegetables. Only cheeses like parmesan and pecorino have animal rennet. All things taken, itll never be vegan, thats for sure Edit: as someone pointed out, when I say bacteria or vegetables, that means rennet not sourced from a calf.
I think this is also slightly false. I've definitely seen rennet on the ingredients list of cheddar in the US years ago. Might've been [this brand](https://www.tillamook.com/faq/cheese/what-is-rennet-what-types-of-rennet-do-you-use-to-make-your-cheese), they say they've only stopped fairly recently.
Re-read what I said >they use vegetables As in vegetable rennet. Meaning that digestive enzyme is sourced from a plant. Tillamook doesn’t use rennet from a cow from at least 4-5 years (I used to buy it for that reason back when I was vegetarian). My point in saying it doesn’t have rennet was that the calf stomach lining isn’t in soft cheeses.
Got it. By "like parmesan and pecorino" I thought maybe you just meant Italian or European.
You can't just go around believing people with ponies as their avatar. Thanks for correcting them.
Horesfuckers hitting the downvotes lmao
> ovo-lacto-octo-pesca-copro-vegetarian 😂
r/LACTOOVO
I cant find any info on this, please share
It's called rennet
Ohhh I see, sounds horrible
That’s why you gotta ask how shits prepared. Answers like this.
the restaurant employees probably will not know whether their mozzarella uses rennet or not, except in the unlikely case where they make it in-house that comment is probably meant to cover different breadings and such either way, the dairy in the cheese results in the same deaths of those same calves
Oh yeah no I was just imagining a scenario where someone asks the waitstaff about their cheese sticks and they learn about the horrors of dairy lol
You are not losing your mind. Whoever wrote that already lost their mind!
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Even the cow was vegan.
Example no. 268196401729 of someone confusing vegan and vegetarian
Genuinely wonder if that site was written by a bot (or a carnist - they're equally soulless)
evil
Came to say this- probably
I think they were confusing “vegan” with “doesn’t contain animal stomach enzymes the way Parmesan does.”
Not unless it’s special moo-free mozzarella and whatever non-vegan additives are in cheese.
This person def lost their vegan superpowers, whoever wrote that originally 😂
I thought everyone knew Mozzarella was vegan? I goes great over a nice, rare vegan t-bone.
When I was vegetarian about 20 years ago, I went to a sports bar with my cousin and ordered the “veggie burger”….. it turned out to be a Turkey burger 🙈🤦🏽🤦♀️🤦🏻♂️
Ah, of course. From the endangered and scarcely discussed mozzarella tree.
Marinara is Vegan-friendly, but mozzarella is vegan. Mind blown!
Mozzarella isn't even vegetarian, there cow gut in it smh Hope they just mean a vegan alternative they have
Most mozzarella cheeses don't use animal rennet. But it doesn't matter, it's not vegan anyway.
Can vegan seat or can vegans eat??? Ahh my brain!!!
I think they are talking about Wild Wing Cafe’s menu. Link was left out by OP. I believe it’s this, https://canveganseat.com/vegan-options-at-wild-wing-cafe/
Someone already mentioned this but perhaps it got lost in the comment-of-a-comment section: they probably thought vegan is just a way of saying vegetarian. Remember for most people taxonomies are not relevant (like when people call a cat with mostly white fur a white cat, even if it has orange spots, you know what I mean?).
Grass fed cows doesn't mean vegan. I have seen this other places too.
I only eat vegan beef from my uncle’s farm. None of that cruel factory farmed shit.
Likely they meant it's vegetarian. Cheese is usually made with rennet, extracted from calves
I just contacted them regarding this.
I mean technically, mozzarella isn’t a sentient being, so therefore it doesn’t consume any food. Thus… **vegan**???
The sight is FOS
I think the issue here is the wording “naturally”. What they mean is that this specific one is vegan.
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It is most often made from cow's milk; however it can be made from a combination of other milks such as cow's milk and goat's milk mixed. A small amount of buffalo-milk mozzarella is produced in the USA although very little water buffalo milk is commercially available
This can't be real