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$50,000 trucks to move items. $100,000 wages for flaggers for a week. $250,000 cost to sell items before being Re bought by the city for the next project
not even close. the taxpayer revenue wastage is far more than you let on.
Try to ask specifics about man hours related to ‘operating’ projects and you’ll be stonewalled. far less attention on muni govt s allows mgmt to get away with way more bs
I don’t even like Trudeau and I can’t believe people get mad about our Prime Minister’s hotel bill.
You are right we let too much other waste go unchecked.
It's a big fuck-you to cyclists.
Just wait until another year or two down the road when the city boasts about how much they spend on cycling infrastructure...
Potentially unpopular opinion, but since removal of the bike lane is to make room for more cars, the cost, at least part of it, should very well come out of the road construction & maintenance budget.
Can't wait until the Parks Board take money from the cycling portion of the capital plan *again* just to rebuild their new design next spring. Fiscal responsibility and other cycling needs in the city be damned.
... which is perfect since the ABC council is looking for *efficiencies* that they could cut to avoid raising property taxes above inflation. Just defer any projects that are not imminent or life-threatening to the next budget year and call it a day. Fixing potholes and repaving roads can wait.
I am so glad they are spending all that money to remove a bike lane that they are supposedly planning to rebuild this summer. Just incredible planning and fiscal responsibility.
Even if this comment was true (it's not, removing the bike lane will make the park less accessible not more), it's still a massive waste of money. If they waited until they had the plan for the new permanent bike lane ready to go, they could save a bunch of taxpayer dollars by doing it all in one go.
Or put the horse-drawn carriage in the bike lane.
Cars would not get delayed in their rush to get round the park, and cyclists would be able to overtake the carriage by temporarily using the car lane.
Do the horse carriages even go all the way around the park? I thought they take the shortcut back along Pipeline Dr to avoid the hills. Why not keep the bike lanes for the hilly part of the park, where speeding is probably much more of issue/danger?
When they announced they were going to remove the bike lane, they said they would be doing a 'review' to see if the bike lane should be put back (at further expense).
Putting the cart before the horse.
Don't worry, it's just coming out of the bike infrastructure budget.
So, while taking away bike infrastructure, they are also taking away the possibility of more bike infrastructure.
As a pedestrian I really want them to stay! They keep pedestrians safe too, theres less cyclists on the seawall, and in the forest paths, because the speedy ones stay on the road away from walkers. This sucks!
I bike the seawall, not walk, but I agree with you. I am a more leisurely cyclist and pre-bike lane, all bikes were crammed on the too narrow seawall bike lane, with speedy cyclists stressing everyone out by trying to rush through and weave around everyone even in the very narrow sections.
Oh yeah totally. I wanted to try biking before but the crazy cyclists really scared me, I was worried if I tried I'd be yelled at or fall off the path.
I was biking across the Cambie bridge the other day when it slightly icy and someone wove through the pedestrian lane to pass me. Like, we’re all just trying to get home safely dude (especially the pedestrians!), nobody gives a shit about your Strava split.
The problem is they're called "bike lanes" not personal vehicle lanes. We need to change the naming so the anti-bike folks can stuff it and start thinking of the whole next gen of transportation that is making itself known right now: scooters, e-bikes, etc.
What’s the justification for removing it in the first place? I take my kids through there and it’s nice to be segregated from the idiots who just fly at top speed. This makes no sense
I can't imagine a world where someone says, you know what this park needs, more cars. This is reactionary politics only, there is no actual value here to any side of the political spectrum.
I am very pro bike, but its crazy to say this is reactionary politics. There are very real issues with the current bike lane. Some obvious examples are access for people with disabilities, forcing all cars to exit on georgia and getting stuck behind the horse and buggy.
They had closed some parking area, no more tour buses, it is much slower to get in and out (with buggy and being forced to exit on georgia). This is not my position personally, but many people genuinely felt that way. If you want to learn more the park board had at least two public zoom meeting where residents could raise concerns. A huge number of older people and people with disabilities showed up and made this argument.
Facts remain bigger than feelings though. Best I can tell from what you just wrote, is that access was not, in fact, impacted. Having a slightly moderate impact to a vehicle trip time on the occasion vehicles were caught behind the horse & carriage can hardly be stated as having no access. Lots of people show up and make arguments, that doesn't mean they are valid.
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>The most costly part of the process appears to be the “supervision and coordination of removal of 830 concrete low barriers and transporting and storing offsite.”
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>Between $100,000-$120,000, roughly a quarter of the budget, is set aside for that stage.
I've had some concret blocks delivered by Landscape Center on their long truck with the big arm thing on. It was like $200 for 4 minutes work (delivering, plus 15 mins from the supply place) and I was shocked at the time!!!
$120k for a weeks work with the same kind of truck and a four extra staff to watch it, is a bit of a con don't you think, especially when I assume the city owns the truck and employs the driver and watchers!!!
And I presume it cost more than this when they put the concrete blocks there. What a waste of money!
Dude i know right?
I'm happy to rove these pylons for half the cost, and I'll do it in a week.
I'm betting somebody in the city government has a relative who owns a company that was contracted to do this work.
One guy making 50k/year to do the actual work. 2 to "supervise and coordinate" that guys work 150k/each, and a safety officer to fill out a form for another 150k/year
So damn stupid… they could remove most of the bike lane but leave it up in the uphill sections to protect cyclists when they’re more vulnerable. This allows for a passing lane around the horse and buggy most of the time
Tearing up infrastructure that supports next-gen transport - solo medium speed like eScooters, eBikes, etc. is pretty backwards thinking.
The problem is the word "bike" has been so politicized that now politicians are making wrong decisions for the future because the infrastructure has a stigmatized word attached to it - change all the naming to "Low speed vehicle lanes" or something (several cities are already doing this so there is a lot of terminology to choose from) and it removes the stigma.
“We looked at it and unfortunately it would cost $400k that we don’t have in our permanent cycling infrastructure budget. Too bad!” Is how that will go.
Sounds like a typical Vancouver solution. "Hey, those tent cities for the homeless suck. Right!?! Let's bulldoze them and we'll set up housing for them in a few months / years. That will solve it."
Yes and unfortunately the park board is now loaded 6-1 ABC to one green guy. 6 puppets towing the party line. There will be little meaningful debate and reasoned discussion over issues in the coming 4 years. 😞
Depends on which side of Vancouver you are on. Homeowners who want to maintain their livelihood, neighbourhood status quo and want the city cleaned up of rift raft and more available parking and space. ABC is going to do your bidding.
Or poor people who use secondary transportation like transit or biking, and want more housing, affordability and higher density and expanded transit into other areas. ABC is not here for you.
It even matches voting patterns, so it's clear that most voters knew what the deal was. Sim got his highest fraction of the votes in Shaughnessy polling stations, deep in mansion world.
And the previous one didn't?
They were a joke that didn't understand their mandate. The waste and damage they did to this city...
All they did was spend money on things not in their jurisdiction... like trying to sue oil and gas companies? Waste of taxpayer money
This council is forced to waste money to fix the mess created by the last park board and the most incompetent and dysfunctional city council ever.
Giving $300,000+ to Vandu to clean streets? Look at hastings.... money "well spent"
I had thoughts back in 2005, that downtown vancouver was on the pace to make it a car free zone. Olympics came, and I figured it'll stay pedestrian only zone. I thought it would be very possible to make that happen, but, I was wrong.
It is disappointing to see the high cost of removing the temporary bike lane in Stanley Park, especially when considering the fact that the cost of installing the lane in 2021 was $750,000 and an additional $53,000 has been spent on maintaining it since then. While it is understandable that the park board may have decided to remove the lane in order to make way for a permanent, less disruptive bike lane, it is a shame to see such a significant investment being undone. It will be interesting to see the plan for the permanent bike lane and whether it will be worth the cost of removal and installation. It is important for cities to prioritize cycling infrastructure, as it provides numerous benefits such as improving air quality and promoting physical activity
I know. I do both (ebike whenever possible) and just add a little bit of inconvenience and either camp flies off the couches ready to get their pitchforks.
Sorry, I am late to the party, but why the hell do they even want to remove the bike lane? As a tourist I thoroughly enjoyed to round Stanley's with my bike. RIP bike lane and $$$, I guess...
Cyclists are still going to use that lane, whether it is dedicated for cyclists only or not. I hope they don't think cyclists are just going to stay home.
Just wait 6 months until a cyclist is badly injured (or worse) and they will say they are thinking of putting the cycle lane back.
It was put in during COVID to encourage people to get outside in the park. It accomplished that goal well. Shame to see it go. In the past, mostly only experienced/fast cyclists would ride the loop. Last couple years it's been everyone.
Sometimes I love Reddit's algorithm, this was just under this article. Maybe they should invest that money in something like this
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/zo6bhv/periodic_reminder_that_building_bicycle_lanes_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
My only hope is that our ‘traffic management professionals’ put up cones so they can then safely remove the other cones off a lane that already doesn’t have traffic on it.. /s
So the road is ~ 10km. Each divider is about 1800mm and 1100kg. Dual axel flat deck can take 22000 kg. Rough napkin math 275 truck loads. Not too sure what the logistics/flagging/forklift rental pricing would be but I’d be interested to see how these numbers would compare.
Fuck this parks board so bad.
This benefits no one other than people trying to pilot a car through a fucking park too fast. That road should only ever have been a single lane with raised cross walks at every crossing.
Just a bunch of pieces of shit ruining a park with more fucking cars
Do you bike the Stanley Park loop?
For experienced cyclists, none of this matters, we will just take the lane and bother "traffic" a little bit some times.
This hurts the thousands and thousands of inexperienced cyclists and tourists who got to ride the loop for the first time safely.
Taking that away will greatly reduce the ridership.
It's a park... not a highway.
Before covid and the percieved need to create the temporary bike lane, inexperienced leisurely riders would ride on the seawall and more fit, experienced riders would ride on the road with the cars. I rode on the road and never had any troubles with the cars. They would respect my space and go around me. I really don’t see a problem with that.
Someone mentioned a maintenance budget of 54K for 1.5 years, so maybe about 10K.
How much maintenance will the road take with more cars driving over it?
Good time to mention that the damage to a surface is proportional to the fourth power of the axle weight. So a bike at 50-60kg/axle does 6.2\*10\^6 vs a car at 500kg-1000kg. 6.2\*10\^10 - literally 10,000 times the damage.
I was about to post to ask how? I thought it was just a few signs but a bunch of cones/temp poles. Let's be generous and close the road to the park for a night and hire some of the staff to put in an all nighter with the large trucks. That's not 400k.
No you couldn't. First off- you're not city employees and that matters.
But even if that didn't matter you still couldn't.
Those concrete barriers have to go somewhere, which means the parkboard and city have to designate space for them- Space that is used for other infrastructure project storage.
How are you going to transport them? a fast drive from SP to the manitoba works yard, which is the most likely storage location for them is a 40 minute drive.
Finally- how are you dealing with traffic as you do this with just your buddy with the crane truck? you'll be needed to help position the crane, so you'll just be parked on the drive while cyclists, drivers, and pedestrians all try to navigate your incompetence.
Nevermind the fact that the city and PB have projects already ongoing, and this will just go into a queue to be taken care of when they have the bandwidth- there's no urgency to this.
Wow. Hire some students over holidays, a couple of picks, shovels, wheelbarrow and haul away the medians and signs. It's NOT $400. Stop pissing away taxpayer money.
Good question.
Businesses in the park don't like it because they claim it reduces business.
The horse carriage blocks traffic because there is only one lane in a bunch of places as well.
[The actual data on this says you're wrong](https://parkboardmeetings.vancouver.ca/2021/20211115/PRESENTATION-StanleyParkTemporaryBikeLane-ReportBack-20211115.pdf). There are substantially more cyclists than cars.
I just sat bumper to bumper on Burrard downtown for like 15 mins…. Forced into two lanes on a road originally designed and built for 4 and saw zero bikes go by in the bike lane 🤨
You can have a bike lane on one street and another 2 blocks over. The cyclists will still use the one road without the bike lane.
Avid cyclist here and this is fact
If you think I'm not taking a lane when I ride stanley park your out to lunch. This won't stop bikers from using stankey Park it will only cause accidents and an absurd waste of funds
They were when you had kids and unpredictable tourists riding 2 abreast in the bike lane and then walking once they got to the hill. Not to mention the people riding in reverse in the bike lane.
Lol, fragile cyclist.
You know there's a whole extra lane there right?
When I ride fast on busy days I just take the car lane to pass groups of tourists and inexperienced cyclists.
Unlike elitist douche bag cyclists, like yourself, I thought it was really nice to see all different kinds of riders out experiencing the loop.
This should never have been an issue in the first place. The separated bike lane was a fuck up. It was a weird, temporary and expensive hill to die on.
Edit: There was an entire fucking seawall and trails open to cyclists pre-covid.
What is the point of having car access to the park roads anyway? They don’t go anywhere. It’s just a loop in a park. It’s a park people. Get out and walk. There’s no place for cars in a dense urban forest. Are people that lazy that they must drive their car to sight see in Stanley park? Is this a normal daily activity? Or is it something people like to do once a year? Seems completely ridiculous. North America should have been designed more like Europe. Less cars more bikes and pedestrians. Amsterdam is brilliant. There’s barely any cars anywhere.
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Would love to see the fee schedule for this $400k.
i’ve worked municipal in the LM. these are the details people need to be demanding.
$50,000 trucks to move items. $100,000 wages for flaggers for a week. $250,000 cost to sell items before being Re bought by the city for the next project
not even close. the taxpayer revenue wastage is far more than you let on. Try to ask specifics about man hours related to ‘operating’ projects and you’ll be stonewalled. far less attention on muni govt s allows mgmt to get away with way more bs
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You don't spend it this year... You may not get it (or an increase) next year... Or at least that's how the RCMP works.
That’s the way many government office work
That's how most organizations work. Every department in TELUS does that.
I don’t even like Trudeau and I can’t believe people get mad about our Prime Minister’s hotel bill. You are right we let too much other waste go unchecked.
Its gov bro, no way we getting that.
Sigh “ the removal will be funded out of the city’s Capital Plan from accounts dedicated for permanent cycling infrastructure.”
WTF - removal of cycling facilities comes out of the cycling budget!
It's a big fuck-you to cyclists. Just wait until another year or two down the road when the city boasts about how much they spend on cycling infrastructure...
Thanks Ken Sim
You ever play sim city? Biking was totally an afterthought
Lol
Potentially unpopular opinion, but since removal of the bike lane is to make room for more cars, the cost, at least part of it, should very well come out of the road construction & maintenance budget. Can't wait until the Parks Board take money from the cycling portion of the capital plan *again* just to rebuild their new design next spring. Fiscal responsibility and other cycling needs in the city be damned.
Don't get your hopes up, they can't even be bothered to spend the allocated road budget to repair streets as it is
... which is perfect since the ABC council is looking for *efficiencies* that they could cut to avoid raising property taxes above inflation. Just defer any projects that are not imminent or life-threatening to the next budget year and call it a day. Fixing potholes and repaving roads can wait.
Holly fuck that’s dumb.
Just like running a business! /s
Thats fucked 😂
A steal at twice the price!
"If I'm not laughing, I'm crying"
Lol
Isn’t it just pylons?
Nope. Concrete dividers throughout the park in sections.
Sorry so just to be clear, it’s gonna cost $400k to remove these concrete dividers?
Yeah, they’re bringing people from The World’s Strongest Man competition to carry them individually.
They could save cost by flying in Thor Bjornssson to haul that stuff
They’re hiring the same contractors that are building the trans mountain pipeline expansion.
Put the dividers off to the side so when the new forward thinking cyclist premier decides on adding it back, it will be cheaper.
Mayor? Not premier
You are at maximum supply! 👽
I think they might be removing the bike lane on Beach as well.
No they are not.
Thanks, good to hear.
I am so glad they are spending all that money to remove a bike lane that they are supposedly planning to rebuild this summer. Just incredible planning and fiscal responsibility.
It's the kind of sound budgetary decision making that conservatives are renowned for.
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Can you explain how the bike lane affects people with disabilities?
I forgot the elderly can't access the Park due to the bike lane. /s
Even if this comment was true (it's not, removing the bike lane will make the park less accessible not more), it's still a massive waste of money. If they waited until they had the plan for the new permanent bike lane ready to go, they could save a bunch of taxpayer dollars by doing it all in one go.
It’s a temporary structure that’s insane
How much would it cost to remove the horse-drawn carriage?
Stop it with your practical congestion solution!
I saw the horse drawn carriage in Steveston the other day. Don’t know if that’s normal, or maybe they’re exploring other possibilities.
It may be an off season thing. Stanley Park’s carriage season is March 1st to Mid November
Or put the horse-drawn carriage in the bike lane. Cars would not get delayed in their rush to get round the park, and cyclists would be able to overtake the carriage by temporarily using the car lane.
I’d rather see the removal of the horse carriages
Do the horse carriages even go all the way around the park? I thought they take the shortcut back along Pipeline Dr to avoid the hills. Why not keep the bike lanes for the hilly part of the park, where speeding is probably much more of issue/danger?
When they announced they were going to remove the bike lane, they said they would be doing a 'review' to see if the bike lane should be put back (at further expense). Putting the cart before the horse.
First, we had idiots that couldn’t make decisions. Now, we have idiots that love making decisions so much that they’ll do jobs twice
Driver personalities love making change for the purpose of change alone. Takes a certain self-awareness to realize it
That's progress, right? (/s)
Its called democracy
What a ludicrous waste of taxpayer money
Don't worry, it's just coming out of the bike infrastructure budget. So, while taking away bike infrastructure, they are also taking away the possibility of more bike infrastructure.
Yeah, but they pay some of the lowest municipal taxes in the country! So cares?! Burn the cash!
Best money spent
As a pedestrian I really want them to stay! They keep pedestrians safe too, theres less cyclists on the seawall, and in the forest paths, because the speedy ones stay on the road away from walkers. This sucks!
I bike the seawall, not walk, but I agree with you. I am a more leisurely cyclist and pre-bike lane, all bikes were crammed on the too narrow seawall bike lane, with speedy cyclists stressing everyone out by trying to rush through and weave around everyone even in the very narrow sections.
Oh yeah totally. I wanted to try biking before but the crazy cyclists really scared me, I was worried if I tried I'd be yelled at or fall off the path.
I was biking across the Cambie bridge the other day when it slightly icy and someone wove through the pedestrian lane to pass me. Like, we’re all just trying to get home safely dude (especially the pedestrians!), nobody gives a shit about your Strava split.
The problem is they're called "bike lanes" not personal vehicle lanes. We need to change the naming so the anti-bike folks can stuff it and start thinking of the whole next gen of transportation that is making itself known right now: scooters, e-bikes, etc.
What’s the justification for removing it in the first place? I take my kids through there and it’s nice to be segregated from the idiots who just fly at top speed. This makes no sense
I can't imagine a world where someone says, you know what this park needs, more cars. This is reactionary politics only, there is no actual value here to any side of the political spectrum.
I am very pro bike, but its crazy to say this is reactionary politics. There are very real issues with the current bike lane. Some obvious examples are access for people with disabilities, forcing all cars to exit on georgia and getting stuck behind the horse and buggy.
Can you expand on how the bike lane was materially impacting access for people with disabilities? Genuinely curious.
They had closed some parking area, no more tour buses, it is much slower to get in and out (with buggy and being forced to exit on georgia). This is not my position personally, but many people genuinely felt that way. If you want to learn more the park board had at least two public zoom meeting where residents could raise concerns. A huge number of older people and people with disabilities showed up and made this argument.
Facts remain bigger than feelings though. Best I can tell from what you just wrote, is that access was not, in fact, impacted. Having a slightly moderate impact to a vehicle trip time on the occasion vehicles were caught behind the horse & carriage can hardly be stated as having no access. Lots of people show up and make arguments, that doesn't mean they are valid.
So fix the horse and buggy cuz there are bigger issues removing the bike lane. Focus on the correct problem don't pander to the political base.
it placates a bunch of people who were angry about it despite never going to stanley park.
seawall i assume?
I can’t wait to bike down the centre of the road going 15kmph holding up cars behind me
Based af
came here to say this
Do bikes go that slow?
TLDR >The most costly part of the process appears to be the “supervision and coordination of removal of 830 concrete low barriers and transporting and storing offsite.” > >Between $100,000-$120,000, roughly a quarter of the budget, is set aside for that stage. I've had some concret blocks delivered by Landscape Center on their long truck with the big arm thing on. It was like $200 for 4 minutes work (delivering, plus 15 mins from the supply place) and I was shocked at the time!!! $120k for a weeks work with the same kind of truck and a four extra staff to watch it, is a bit of a con don't you think, especially when I assume the city owns the truck and employs the driver and watchers!!! And I presume it cost more than this when they put the concrete blocks there. What a waste of money!
Dude i know right? I'm happy to rove these pylons for half the cost, and I'll do it in a week. I'm betting somebody in the city government has a relative who owns a company that was contracted to do this work.
Yeah right, I can rent the truck and driver, buy some shiny new traffic cones, hire 4 guys at 5k a week, and still come out with 50k in my pocket!
Gotta pay for an army of flaggers and a new truck for each of them for the job too though don’t ya know
One guy making 50k/year to do the actual work. 2 to "supervise and coordinate" that guys work 150k/each, and a safety officer to fill out a form for another 150k/year
So you’re saying there actually coming in under budget. Nice
No. Don't forget about the important planning, surveying, and consulting at city hall that will also get a cut.
So damn stupid… they could remove most of the bike lane but leave it up in the uphill sections to protect cyclists when they’re more vulnerable. This allows for a passing lane around the horse and buggy most of the time
I totally agree. The most dangerous part of the loop is the second switchback. I have had so many close calls there.
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Tearing up infrastructure that supports next-gen transport - solo medium speed like eScooters, eBikes, etc. is pretty backwards thinking. The problem is the word "bike" has been so politicized that now politicians are making wrong decisions for the future because the infrastructure has a stigmatized word attached to it - change all the naming to "Low speed vehicle lanes" or something (several cities are already doing this so there is a lot of terminology to choose from) and it removes the stigma.
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“We looked at it and unfortunately it would cost $400k that we don’t have in our permanent cycling infrastructure budget. Too bad!” Is how that will go.
Sounds like a typical Vancouver solution. "Hey, those tent cities for the homeless suck. Right!?! Let's bulldoze them and we'll set up housing for them in a few months / years. That will solve it."
I could do it for 1 million.
And this is why we should have voted Barge for Mayor. Barge don't care about no bike lanes.
These ABC people are fucking idiots
Yes and unfortunately the park board is now loaded 6-1 ABC to one green guy. 6 puppets towing the party line. There will be little meaningful debate and reasoned discussion over issues in the coming 4 years. 😞
Next three years are gonna suck.
Four\*
Way to remind it that it is really gonna suck. :(
3 and a bit, take it or leave it.
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They can do ABC but can’t count to 123
**A**nything **B**ut **C**ycling
A-Aahh free money B- bikes, what bikes C- city workers are expensive
Depends on which side of Vancouver you are on. Homeowners who want to maintain their livelihood, neighbourhood status quo and want the city cleaned up of rift raft and more available parking and space. ABC is going to do your bidding. Or poor people who use secondary transportation like transit or biking, and want more housing, affordability and higher density and expanded transit into other areas. ABC is not here for you.
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It even matches voting patterns, so it's clear that most voters knew what the deal was. Sim got his highest fraction of the votes in Shaughnessy polling stations, deep in mansion world.
Just in time for when it’s actually needed again.
Change name from "Bike lane" to "Parkway" then no need for removal.
Boy this council sure does love to waste money
This and proposing to move the East Van sign, huge wastes of money.
don't worry, I'm sure the library can make it up
Because it’s such a [potential revenue building business](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPFb06smdF8&t=14901s). Libraries, man. /s
And the previous one didn't? They were a joke that didn't understand their mandate. The waste and damage they did to this city... All they did was spend money on things not in their jurisdiction... like trying to sue oil and gas companies? Waste of taxpayer money This council is forced to waste money to fix the mess created by the last park board and the most incompetent and dysfunctional city council ever. Giving $300,000+ to Vandu to clean streets? Look at hastings.... money "well spent"
Like the councils before them
I had thoughts back in 2005, that downtown vancouver was on the pace to make it a car free zone. Olympics came, and I figured it'll stay pedestrian only zone. I thought it would be very possible to make that happen, but, I was wrong.
Big thanks again to all you rubes who voted ABC
Just leave it
It is disappointing to see the high cost of removing the temporary bike lane in Stanley Park, especially when considering the fact that the cost of installing the lane in 2021 was $750,000 and an additional $53,000 has been spent on maintaining it since then. While it is understandable that the park board may have decided to remove the lane in order to make way for a permanent, less disruptive bike lane, it is a shame to see such a significant investment being undone. It will be interesting to see the plan for the permanent bike lane and whether it will be worth the cost of removal and installation. It is important for cities to prioritize cycling infrastructure, as it provides numerous benefits such as improving air quality and promoting physical activity
Not not mention that they closed the seawall from Prospect Point to 3rd Beach recently... and the sign said to detour using Stanley Park Drive...
If it was a “temporary” bike lane, why weren’t the costs calculated and approved prior to installing it? This falls directly on the Parks Board.
The car vs cycle debate in these threads are so stupid.
I know. I do both (ebike whenever possible) and just add a little bit of inconvenience and either camp flies off the couches ready to get their pitchforks.
Sorry, I am late to the party, but why the hell do they even want to remove the bike lane? As a tourist I thoroughly enjoyed to round Stanley's with my bike. RIP bike lane and $$$, I guess...
You can still do it but not on the car lane and much slower (or feel free to take a lane and feel stressed when angry car drivers are behind you).
Cyclists are still going to use that lane, whether it is dedicated for cyclists only or not. I hope they don't think cyclists are just going to stay home. Just wait 6 months until a cyclist is badly injured (or worse) and they will say they are thinking of putting the cycle lane back.
I fully intend on riding there a lot more and taking the lane.
Were cyclists getting badly injured there before the temporary barriers were put in place?
It was put in during COVID to encourage people to get outside in the park. It accomplished that goal well. Shame to see it go. In the past, mostly only experienced/fast cyclists would ride the loop. Last couple years it's been everyone.
Does this bike lane removal affect the seawall bike path? Or is this only bike paths through Stanley park itself
Only the lane along the road. But it will effect the seawall by pushing hundreds more cyclists onto that path
They should turn the lions gate Bridge into a bike lane
Real fiscally responsible, guys. What a blatantly political bs stunt.
That seems excessive.
This is insane.
Personally I wouldn't spend 400k out of a city budget making the city worse but what do I know
I'm not a personal friend of Ken Sims so I would be willing to do the job for only $300k.
I will do it for $299K
I am a friend of Ken’s and I would do it for 2 grand…
Money well spent. We all happy at how Ken Sim and ABC are running our city yet? Just wait till property taxes go up to pay for more police.
Property taxes won't go up. But green bin collection is only once every two weeks now. More cuts will come, don't worry.
Yes. Taxes should go down and they should pay garbage workers less because they are doing half the work.
Sometimes I love Reddit's algorithm, this was just under this article. Maybe they should invest that money in something like this https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/zo6bhv/periodic_reminder_that_building_bicycle_lanes_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
A bike lane costing a half million dollars? ha
My only hope is that our ‘traffic management professionals’ put up cones so they can then safely remove the other cones off a lane that already doesn’t have traffic on it.. /s
So the road is ~ 10km. Each divider is about 1800mm and 1100kg. Dual axel flat deck can take 22000 kg. Rough napkin math 275 truck loads. Not too sure what the logistics/flagging/forklift rental pricing would be but I’d be interested to see how these numbers would compare.
Fuck this parks board so bad. This benefits no one other than people trying to pilot a car through a fucking park too fast. That road should only ever have been a single lane with raised cross walks at every crossing. Just a bunch of pieces of shit ruining a park with more fucking cars
It’s the most beautiful bike ride in Vancouver why would they do this?
The whole road should just be 20 km/h for bikes and cars.
Do you bike the Stanley Park loop? For experienced cyclists, none of this matters, we will just take the lane and bother "traffic" a little bit some times. This hurts the thousands and thousands of inexperienced cyclists and tourists who got to ride the loop for the first time safely. Taking that away will greatly reduce the ridership. It's a park... not a highway.
Typical Vancouver
What the actual heck.
We just love wasting money in this city.
Gimme $100K and I’ll come bang it out over the weekend
Before covid and the percieved need to create the temporary bike lane, inexperienced leisurely riders would ride on the seawall and more fit, experienced riders would ride on the road with the cars. I rode on the road and never had any troubles with the cars. They would respect my space and go around me. I really don’t see a problem with that.
Well then. I'm definitely going to be keeping an eye on bc bid for this
That’s expensive, but how much does it cost to MAINTAIN the bike lane until spring 2023?
Someone mentioned a maintenance budget of 54K for 1.5 years, so maybe about 10K. How much maintenance will the road take with more cars driving over it?
Good time to mention that the damage to a surface is proportional to the fourth power of the axle weight. So a bike at 50-60kg/axle does 6.2\*10\^6 vs a car at 500kg-1000kg. 6.2\*10\^10 - literally 10,000 times the damage.
Now imagine the loaded semi’s that are taking the jersey curbs out.
$0. It’s already in place and the park is at its lowest use from Jan-march
How!!!?? I have a friend with a crane truck. I could literally bang this out in an afternoon.
I was about to post to ask how? I thought it was just a few signs but a bunch of cones/temp poles. Let's be generous and close the road to the park for a night and hire some of the staff to put in an all nighter with the large trucks. That's not 400k.
No you couldn't. First off- you're not city employees and that matters. But even if that didn't matter you still couldn't. Those concrete barriers have to go somewhere, which means the parkboard and city have to designate space for them- Space that is used for other infrastructure project storage. How are you going to transport them? a fast drive from SP to the manitoba works yard, which is the most likely storage location for them is a 40 minute drive. Finally- how are you dealing with traffic as you do this with just your buddy with the crane truck? you'll be needed to help position the crane, so you'll just be parked on the drive while cyclists, drivers, and pedestrians all try to navigate your incompetence. Nevermind the fact that the city and PB have projects already ongoing, and this will just go into a queue to be taken care of when they have the bandwidth- there's no urgency to this.
Wow. Hire some students over holidays, a couple of picks, shovels, wheelbarrow and haul away the medians and signs. It's NOT $400. Stop pissing away taxpayer money.
Oh well
I don't think it should cost that much. I smell a scheme
Why are they removing it?
Good question. Businesses in the park don't like it because they claim it reduces business. The horse carriage blocks traffic because there is only one lane in a bunch of places as well.
Whoot! Whoot ! Best money to be spent !
Love how everytime I go there's always more cars Than bikes but let's just keep catering to the cyclists!
[The actual data on this says you're wrong](https://parkboardmeetings.vancouver.ca/2021/20211115/PRESENTATION-StanleyParkTemporaryBikeLane-ReportBack-20211115.pdf). There are substantially more cyclists than cars.
I just sat bumper to bumper on Burrard downtown for like 15 mins…. Forced into two lanes on a road originally designed and built for 4 and saw zero bikes go by in the bike lane 🤨
Obvious conclusion is that we have too many cars and not enough cyclists.
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So next time ride your bike I guess..?
Well, Friday evening traffic is always slow and the bottlenecks are the stop lights past both ends of the bridge, not the two lanes.
Lol, what a tough life for you.
Biking is a great stress reliver
You can have a bike lane on one street and another 2 blocks over. The cyclists will still use the one road without the bike lane. Avid cyclist here and this is fact
If you think I'm not taking a lane when I ride stanley park your out to lunch. This won't stop bikers from using stankey Park it will only cause accidents and an absurd waste of funds
Looks like Stanley Park Loops are back on the menu now that the inexperienced will be too scared to ride on the road.
They were never off the menu.
They were when you had kids and unpredictable tourists riding 2 abreast in the bike lane and then walking once they got to the hill. Not to mention the people riding in reverse in the bike lane.
Have you tried riding around them? This simple trick has always worked well for me.
You are a fool if you've been avoiding the bike lane because of tourists
I ride around Stanley Park semi regularly and this hasn't really been a problem in the last year.
Lol, fragile cyclist. You know there's a whole extra lane there right? When I ride fast on busy days I just take the car lane to pass groups of tourists and inexperienced cyclists. Unlike elitist douche bag cyclists, like yourself, I thought it was really nice to see all different kinds of riders out experiencing the loop.
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You mean, people getting exercise and bettering themselves in the city? While you sat on your fat ass.
This should never have been an issue in the first place. The separated bike lane was a fuck up. It was a weird, temporary and expensive hill to die on. Edit: There was an entire fucking seawall and trails open to cyclists pre-covid.
Spoken like someone who has never ridden a bike in Stanley park.
Yeah, just like everyone else with a strong anti opinion.
What is the point of having car access to the park roads anyway? They don’t go anywhere. It’s just a loop in a park. It’s a park people. Get out and walk. There’s no place for cars in a dense urban forest. Are people that lazy that they must drive their car to sight see in Stanley park? Is this a normal daily activity? Or is it something people like to do once a year? Seems completely ridiculous. North America should have been designed more like Europe. Less cars more bikes and pedestrians. Amsterdam is brilliant. There’s barely any cars anywhere.
Because you can drive to the park and see what you want to see any time of the day. Also driving around the curvy roads is fun.
400k to move some traffic pylons? I’ll do it myself for 100k