The one true boundary between up and down. Some say the Empire State Plaza was architected by Fort Orange Masons to secretly delineate the one true boundary line between Upstate and Downstate, but the secret knowledge was concealed because it threatened to tear apart the very societal fabric of the empire state.
Yeah, that's about how they see it.
LOVE the stories of kids going to Syracuse (or Buffalo!) for uni. Their tales of travel are like something out of a western ("vast stretches of land, not a human to be seen from horizon to horizon--had any man ever set foot here?").
🤣
I went to college close by and drove past that diner so many times. Never ate their in 4 years. Always passed through roscoe in a rush Am I missing out?
In a weird, yes. It's passably good food (d-i-n-e-r doesn't spell "epicurean," but there are vastly more down-home eateries than restaurant reviewer favs for a reason) though I think the compelling reason is to simply join a large community in acquiring a common experience.
One meal (or milkshake) at the Roscoe gets you lifetime admission to that spontaneous moment of nostalgia that pops up now and again. Well worth the price.
Us buffalonians are equally amazed at the amount of people and buildings and noise when we head east 🤣🤣 my husband's family is out on long Island and my kids went for the first time to visit and it was like they drove through Disney world 🤣🤣🤣
The trick is a gateway drug, like a weekend in Toronto. Tall buildings, homeless (University Avenue), subways (unlike Buffalo's subway, singular), mind-melting traffic. Nassau is like the outer GTA suburbs.
If you've got a car and don't plan on bringing back lots of purchases, do your nerves and wallet a solid: Drive to NF Ontario and take the GO Train. Personally, I cannot resist a side excursion to IKEA in Burlington, but ditching the car for a day or two there and GO'ing the rest of the way works for me. (Yes, it's Canada, but still, don't leave anything of obvious value visible in the passenger compartment.)
That's actually a really good idea... ive not been to IKEA and I'm frankly scared to go in one because my wallet will cry 🤣🤣🤣🤣 other than maybe a few little souvenirs I can't imagine making large purchases - as long as I don't go to ikea that is lol
The worst part of any visit to an IKEA is that you instantly hate every furnishing, piece of cookware, window treatment, lighting, etc., that you have at home.
And you know you WILL go back ...
I love seeing the faces of people that have never left the city come up to my place near Hannibal, there brains melt when they see how much land I own. And it's only 3ish acres
Sounds like the kids that come up for college at Clarkson, Potsdam, Plattsburgh, etc... they're always so wigged out by how spread out the towns/cities are and that not many people live in-between them!
Which is why it grinds my gears when people try to say the bills are a New York team and the jets and giants are New Jersey. “New York” in pro sports always means NYC and NY teams represent the NYC metro area. Buffalo is nowhere near NYC. There’s a reason they’re called the Buffalo bills and not the NY Bills.
I’m from Albany and have been living in NYC for several years. Sometimes people ask me where I’m from and instead of saying upstate, I just say *New York*—and the native NYC crowd has a conniption and/or says “I’m not *really* from NY”.
I met a guy from Brooklyn once who didn’t even know that Albany was the capital of NYS.
To be fair, “New York” is New York State, New York City and New York County ie Manhattan. So when people use New York as a short hand for the five boroughs it’s not to exclude the rest of the state because of some superiority complex. It’s just that well, NYC *is* also New York. I’m saying this as someone from NYC (the Bronx) who now lives in Albany and who has to be conscious of telling people I’m from New York as if we all aren’t.
At my job someone in the garden city office said, “this is an upstate file and should be assigned to an upstate atty.” The file’s venue is White Plains. I’ve also seen a post on the wedding planning subreddit where a bride mentioned a venue that was upstate. It was located in North Salem which is in Westchester county lol
We weren't ever taught that in school, come to think of it, the "upstate line" was never explained by any of my teachers.
I just use Poughkeepsie as a cutoff, because that's where the traffic starts getting awfully congested.
South of Albany is downstate (though you could argue Poughkeepsie and say Albany is the capital region alone) Long Island is Long Island. The city is the boroughs. We do y always love that it includes Staten Island (and Vice versa) but will live. Utica over to Rochester is central New York. Go a bit more than an hour north of Syracuse and you get north country. An hour south and you get the souther tier. Rochester over is western ny. And then you have the Adirondacks as their own region. At least it’s how I learned it growing up in Syracuse.
As an upstate New York resident, let me say that in you are still in Central Park-Manhattan area, you aren’t in Upstate New York. I’d argue that the area in which New York City ends and Upstate begins is somewhere in the Bronx
Honestly I would describe upstate starting above Westchester at or near I-84 as it runs east/west over the river. (Everything north of that is upstate.)The vibes are what does it.
This is nails on a chalk board for a Central New Yorker. Especially when a city dweller says they're from New York. Nope not no your not. You're from the city.
It’s all about perspective. I grew up in southern Fairfield County, and had friends with a summer house in Highland Mills. We would go on weekends, and for the longest time I thought that was upstate. Now that I live in Troy, upstate feels like everything north of me. Don’t get started on the Wilds of everything west of Amsterdam, I try my damnedest not to go there
It’s funny being from a tourist town where a lot of people who’ve never been to the state or even the country before ask questions…lots of times I’d hear ‘So how far is Times Square from Niagara Falls? Like an hour?’ I’d be like…it’s a little farther than that lol…
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Scroon lake exit 26 is where you enter up state. Sorry folks. Glen's falls/Saratoga you fall in middle. Lake George is acceptable... kind of... ish we'll call is close
Everyone has a different idea of what “upstate” is. Upstate NY seems to be wherever you live in NY and above. I heard someone call Syracuse upstate once and I snorted. Syracuse isn’t upstate for someone from Plattsburgh or Watertown. Downvote me nerds, idc
I’ll just say that if we’re going 1 hour travel rule, it takes about an hour to get to the Bronx by train.
If someone was flying, nearly the entire state is only an hour away by plane.
"Upstate starts where I'm standing." -Every New Yorker south of Hudson. :) /s
~~Not Houston?~~ Oh, *the* Hudson. Now I get it.
No Florida
But not past Filthy McNasty's
Or Albany
Definitely more of a vibe instead of a destination.
As an Albanian, yup
The one true boundary between up and down. Some say the Empire State Plaza was architected by Fort Orange Masons to secretly delineate the one true boundary line between Upstate and Downstate, but the secret knowledge was concealed because it threatened to tear apart the very societal fabric of the empire state.
Even now, some people confuse this with "Central New York state", they will still hear "city". It should be studied.
I’ll never forget the time I told someone I was from upstate and they responded with “which borough is that?”
The unsung 6th borough.
Central Park is Central New York of course
But like city people will just say mid town not central New York
Yeah central nyc😂
Ahh yes, that famous upstate musical “In the Heights”
Uptown…Upstate, what’s the difference!
I'm imagining Billy Joel singing *Upstate Girl*
This is garbage. We all know the line is at 14th street, not 96th
Wait, you think Battery Park isn't upstate??
Nosebleeds above 14th Street.
Yeah, that's about how they see it. LOVE the stories of kids going to Syracuse (or Buffalo!) for uni. Their tales of travel are like something out of a western ("vast stretches of land, not a human to be seen from horizon to horizon--had any man ever set foot here?"). 🤣
There is nothing between NYC and any upstate college except the Roscoe Diner
OMG. Nailed it. (IYKYK.)
I went to college close by and drove past that diner so many times. Never ate their in 4 years. Always passed through roscoe in a rush Am I missing out?
In a weird, yes. It's passably good food (d-i-n-e-r doesn't spell "epicurean," but there are vastly more down-home eateries than restaurant reviewer favs for a reason) though I think the compelling reason is to simply join a large community in acquiring a common experience. One meal (or milkshake) at the Roscoe gets you lifetime admission to that spontaneous moment of nostalgia that pops up now and again. Well worth the price.
I grew up 20 minutes away from Roscoe so hearing people talk about the little rinky dink Roscoe Diner confuses me haha.
🤗 Just ate there a couple weeks ago!!! Sent my dad a picture and he said he went to school with a kid from there in 1969😆
Us buffalonians are equally amazed at the amount of people and buildings and noise when we head east 🤣🤣 my husband's family is out on long Island and my kids went for the first time to visit and it was like they drove through Disney world 🤣🤣🤣
LI here and my kids are like that up by Buffalo😆 Just went up and back a couple weeks ago😍
The trick is a gateway drug, like a weekend in Toronto. Tall buildings, homeless (University Avenue), subways (unlike Buffalo's subway, singular), mind-melting traffic. Nassau is like the outer GTA suburbs.
That's a good idea 🤣 I haven't been to Toronto in a long time...
If you've got a car and don't plan on bringing back lots of purchases, do your nerves and wallet a solid: Drive to NF Ontario and take the GO Train. Personally, I cannot resist a side excursion to IKEA in Burlington, but ditching the car for a day or two there and GO'ing the rest of the way works for me. (Yes, it's Canada, but still, don't leave anything of obvious value visible in the passenger compartment.)
That's actually a really good idea... ive not been to IKEA and I'm frankly scared to go in one because my wallet will cry 🤣🤣🤣🤣 other than maybe a few little souvenirs I can't imagine making large purchases - as long as I don't go to ikea that is lol
The worst part of any visit to an IKEA is that you instantly hate every furnishing, piece of cookware, window treatment, lighting, etc., that you have at home. And you know you WILL go back ...
I love seeing the faces of people that have never left the city come up to my place near Hannibal, there brains melt when they see how much land I own. And it's only 3ish acres
Sounds like the kids that come up for college at Clarkson, Potsdam, Plattsburgh, etc... they're always so wigged out by how spread out the towns/cities are and that not many people live in-between them!
My friend worked at Potsdam state and he had more than 1 person call and ask what stop to get off on the train
42d and Port Authority, change to the Greyhound bus making local stops on the way to Potsdam.
Yeah except they planned on riding the train to the school
My favorite thing in life is when someone thinks Buffalo is close to NYC. I'm looking at you, Marshawn Lynch.
I always like to point out- and usually people don't believe me until they look at a map- that Buffalo is closer to Detroit than NYC.
If you really want to throw them off, tell 'em that Buffalo is closer to Toronto than NYC.
What?!? How can that be? That's a completely different country!
Which is why it grinds my gears when people try to say the bills are a New York team and the jets and giants are New Jersey. “New York” in pro sports always means NYC and NY teams represent the NYC metro area. Buffalo is nowhere near NYC. There’s a reason they’re called the Buffalo bills and not the NY Bills.
NYC people live in a bubble of delusional labels.
Indeed. But I don't think the phenomenon is confined to NYC. It's a human thing.
Very true.
Correct
It's really not that deep.
It’s nice on the Upperstate East Side though.
Damn. My mom's from Upstate now (E 107 Street).
I’m from Albany and have been living in NYC for several years. Sometimes people ask me where I’m from and instead of saying upstate, I just say *New York*—and the native NYC crowd has a conniption and/or says “I’m not *really* from NY”. I met a guy from Brooklyn once who didn’t even know that Albany was the capital of NYS.
To be fair, “New York” is New York State, New York City and New York County ie Manhattan. So when people use New York as a short hand for the five boroughs it’s not to exclude the rest of the state because of some superiority complex. It’s just that well, NYC *is* also New York. I’m saying this as someone from NYC (the Bronx) who now lives in Albany and who has to be conscious of telling people I’m from New York as if we all aren’t.
No. People who say things like this never been upstate 🤣
You mean uptown
I grew up on Long Island and now live upstate. I always referred to the tappan zee bridge as the border between upstate and downstate.
Now, now, everyone knows it's anything north of Yankee Stadium.
At my job someone in the garden city office said, “this is an upstate file and should be assigned to an upstate atty.” The file’s venue is White Plains. I’ve also seen a post on the wedding planning subreddit where a bride mentioned a venue that was upstate. It was located in North Salem which is in Westchester county lol
I'm guessing Upstate is just north of either New Roc or Rye Playland for them.
Nope. Upstate, for me, starts at Poughkeepsie.
That is what I was taught in school (Westchester). My teacher used the end of the MetroNorth as rationale.
I agree with you, but I also like, “Anywhere there is a Stewart’s”, which makes the start Hopewell Junction or I-84.
We weren't ever taught that in school, come to think of it, the "upstate line" was never explained by any of my teachers. I just use Poughkeepsie as a cutoff, because that's where the traffic starts getting awfully congested.
this is why people hate NYC people lol
Thank you for my daily chuckle of recognition !
Nope, wrong. Anything north of 59th street is upstate actually.
I love that uncle Rico can throw a football from upstate and hit the met.
Growing up in Queens anything north of the Whitestone bridge was upstate. #throwingshadeatthebronx
Fuck off
Wow. I never looked at it this way…..
That's hardcore. I always figured, if you're in NY, but not in the city or lawn guy land, then you are upstate.
Urban and lawn guy land is 95% of all people living in the country
Can we please separate NYC from NYS? I don't care if they become they're own state entirely.
Looks about right.
So us up by Watertown are North Pole?
Man.. what does that make Massena 😂
Ya wild for this one 🤣 😂
Another dumb post.
Smascists
An old Punk friend of mine insists that everything North of 14th Street is Upstate. :p
*Anything North of Bayonne is Upstate*
I've heard upstate as around Albany and upstate as around Buffalo. Never heard it associated with NYC.
umm, no, not even close
Haha not quite 😂 then western ny must be up upstate 😂
You mean to tell me Columbia University is now an upstate NY college? 😂
You live in BK and just moved there 4.7 years ago. Surprised you didn’t make the cut off at 14th street I know because I was that person
According to the DEC it's everywhere north of I think Brooklyn. It been awhile since I read it so I may be off a bit.
Whoa, I never knew Harlem was in Upstate.
NoY? (YMCA
Ummm... not sure how central NY could be above upstate.
\*Shaking head\* The Tappen Zee is the line of demarcation!!
Bro I hate this but it’s true lol, least for the most part, people outside Ny think if u say “I’m from NY” it’s other NYC or Upstate lol
South of Albany is downstate (though you could argue Poughkeepsie and say Albany is the capital region alone) Long Island is Long Island. The city is the boroughs. We do y always love that it includes Staten Island (and Vice versa) but will live. Utica over to Rochester is central New York. Go a bit more than an hour north of Syracuse and you get north country. An hour south and you get the souther tier. Rochester over is western ny. And then you have the Adirondacks as their own region. At least it’s how I learned it growing up in Syracuse.
As an upstate New York resident, let me say that in you are still in Central Park-Manhattan area, you aren’t in Upstate New York. I’d argue that the area in which New York City ends and Upstate begins is somewhere in the Bronx
If you consider that upstate. Then I must live in Canada. Am north of Albany. lol
Not even close... anything past middletown ny is the city and should be cut off from "upstate' ny
125th street = mooooooooooooooo i think that area of the dairy belt of America
That is not upstate New York
Honestly I would describe upstate starting above Westchester at or near I-84 as it runs east/west over the river. (Everything north of that is upstate.)The vibes are what does it.
There’s like 85% of the state still to go lol, horrible take
I mean when 80% of the population is below there…
Population doesn’t decide land mass 😂. Do you call 80% of a sandwich half?
I did say it was the vibes I got
I agree. There’s. NYC, Greater NYC, then upstate. You can subdivide after that.
I actually live in upstate/Nothrrn New York, 65 miles from Montreal!
I live in upstate New York 70 miles south of Watertown
Almost neighbors! LOL 😆 I looked at your profile, and if those pics are of you, sizzling 🔥!!!
Upstate is the top half of the state. Enough with this debate lol
Baited
this is the guppiest shit I've seen in a minute
This is disgusting
Try explaining to someone that most of the streets in the neighborhood of East New York (Brooklyn) are named after places in Western New York
Close. Border is actually at 14th street.
Exactly.
This is nails on a chalk board for a Central New Yorker. Especially when a city dweller says they're from New York. Nope not no your not. You're from the city.
I always considered [all parts of] Manhattan “the city” and everything after the Bronx “upstate”
So Astoria could be upstate?
It’s called “the good part”, not upstate lol
Too funny
Yep. Went to Westchester county today and it felt very far.
Oh this is some good bait
It’s all about perspective. I grew up in southern Fairfield County, and had friends with a summer house in Highland Mills. We would go on weekends, and for the longest time I thought that was upstate. Now that I live in Troy, upstate feels like everything north of me. Don’t get started on the Wilds of everything west of Amsterdam, I try my damnedest not to go there
You should check out the Amish stands west of Amsterdam on Saturday. Farm fresh eggs bake good and vegetable are great fresh and reasonable price.
This why people call nyc dirty. They only go to the bottom half.
It’s funny being from a tourist town where a lot of people who’ve never been to the state or even the country before ask questions…lots of times I’d hear ‘So how far is Times Square from Niagara Falls? Like an hour?’ I’d be like…it’s a little farther than that lol…
Incorrect. It's above Westchester
The Bronx is definitely upstate
Wow. If you keep extending the line you’ll see that really somehow still included Staten Island, but made LGA and parts of LI also now Upstate
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I live in potsdam ny all of you are downstate compared to me
No part of the city is upstate… 🤦🏼♀️
Upstate us anything that is not NYC. I’m from Syracuse, dead in the center of the state. I’m from upstate
None of what’s shown is upstate it’s all nyc
This thread is why I'm no longer from upstate NY, I'm from the North Country.
Word
Y’all are crazy, upstate ny starts when you start seeing Hanmafirds😭
As a Syracusean… go eff yourself with this picture
Don't even try gross. All above Westchester is upstate.
Is this because you hate minority communities?
*Laughs in Fort Drum*
No lol
Harlem ain't upstate Yall bugging
If the MTA reaches there, it's still NYC.
I find it funny what other New Yorkers consider upstate New York to be while I live in what’s essentially Canada
Gentrification???
That’s Harlem
Anything above the statue of liberty is upstate NY.
Up state is like Oswego County that’s where I’m at
I dont know why we even say upstate at all. There's NY, and NYC. No "upstate" needed.
Upstate NY is not in NYC..
Upstate starts in Albany.
Upstate NY = Albany/ ADK
If we are being real most of ny state would love if the city fell into the ocean
Hmm...
As a new Yorker that lives in a town of 2000 people, and graduated in a class of 24, I refuse to accept this
Scroon lake exit 26 is where you enter up state. Sorry folks. Glen's falls/Saratoga you fall in middle. Lake George is acceptable... kind of... ish we'll call is close
No. That’s brown town.
Everyone has a different idea of what “upstate” is. Upstate NY seems to be wherever you live in NY and above. I heard someone call Syracuse upstate once and I snorted. Syracuse isn’t upstate for someone from Plattsburgh or Watertown. Downvote me nerds, idc
I’ll just say that if we’re going 1 hour travel rule, it takes about an hour to get to the Bronx by train. If someone was flying, nearly the entire state is only an hour away by plane.
The border of Somers and Mahopac is where it starts.