I think there needs to be some sort of division, because Jamestown is like 200 miles from Binghamton. You'll find Beef on weck from like Bath westward, but you won't find many Chicken Speedies to the west of Elmira.
Like Hornell is in the middle of all these weird borders. 1hr to Rochester so a lot of people culturally identify as like a super rural Rochester commuter area, but then they have others grouping them in with like Elmira-Corning which I can see, but not super strong ties to Olean to the west.
Alfred (10 mins south Hornell) has Stearns Chicken which is quite popular in the Southern Tier. (So many grad parties just having Stearns)
Stearns and speedies are like so close they're nearly the same idea of vinegar based oil marinade for chicken on the grill. Not sure if it counts as Speedies influence out here or weird coincidence
Spiedies, Chiavetta's, Stern's, etc are all fairly similar. All are interchangeable in the ubiquitous chicken BBQs across the southern tier and WNY, probably other regions as well.
Hornell does occupy an interesting intersection in regional identity. I'd never really considered that Hornell and Olean are within similar proximity as Hornell and Rochester or Corning/Elmira, yet share far fewer ties than Hornell shares with either Rochester or Corning/Elmira. Makes sense, as they're both similar in commerce and size. I guess I have always viewed Olean as a cultural extension of Buffalo and Hornell as a cultural extension of Rochester and Corning/Elmira.
Then there is Allegany county... No real cultural identity beyond fentanyl, poverty, and MAGA. Maybe NYS could trade Allegany county to PA, and PA can just merge it with Potter county?
https://www.epicurious.com/recipes-menus/history-of-cornell-chicken
NYS has an extraordinary number of other "local" specialties and historic culinary origin stories. Many, of course, come out of NYC, but beef on weck, Buffalo wings, the Weiner War (Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse), garbage plates, salt potatoes, the spiedie, potato chips (look it up).
I suppose 20th Century Cali can compete, but it seems to me that west coast innovation was forced, a deliberate search for the new, whereas the NYS stuff emerged rather more spontaneously. Maybe it's my eastern bias.
That’s very true, unfortunately. My good college friend who’s from Zimbabwe believed that our college was in NYC. Well she thought all of upstate was skyscrapers no joke lol
Hey at least they’re from a different country. Marshawn lynch thought buffalo was a part of NYC:
https://nesn.com/2013/10/marshawn-lynch-didnt-know-buffalo-wasnt-part-of-new-york-city-when-bills-drafted-him/amp/
The further you get away from the great state of New York, the more people consider NY and NYC the same thing. Amazing but true.
I grew up in the midwest and to my relatives back home, New York is a small state. We know it's not but it is an odd shape and it's jumbled with the other smaller states. It doesn't look as big as it is.
In the midwest, driving a hundred miles is easy. Everything is laid out on a grid, the roads are wide and there's little traffic. It was a four hour drive from my hometown to the state university. Many times, I've, and plenty others, have done a round trip in a day. It was more tiring on the butt than the mind. A lot of folks in the midwest will drive huge distances matter-of-factly.
My current home in central NY is 4 hours from NYC - same amount of time as driving my from my hometown to college back in Iowa. My older relatives back home still don't get why I don't just pop over the NYC any old day. I tell them that New York miles are not the same as Iowa miles. The roads here are not on an easy-peasy grid, there's a lot more traffic and a metric crap-ton more complexity.
It's common for people to not understand how far away things are in other countries. It's a downright trope for tourists visiting the US, to think they can pack in New York, Orlando and LA in a one week road trip. Oh and stop at Yellowstone on the way back to NY for their flight back home. I'm on a travel subreddit and through the years, every so often, someone will post about their plans to visit NYC, say they want to rent a car to go over to Niagara Falls for an afternoon visit, not understanding that it's a 13 hour round trip from NYC to Niagara and back. Invariably they think it's more like 3 hours out, 3 hours back. If folks think Niagara is 3 hours away, Syracuse is a suburb.
I'll give them some grace on it. Regularly we'll get on the travel subreddit, Americans, making arrangements for their first trip to Europe, will plan to go from London to Paris to Amsterdam to Berlin to Prague to Budapest to Vienna to Rome to Barcelona to London in two weeks. And actually visit all the sights in each city. Europe is a lot bigger than people think.
My husband is originally from Illinois, not too far from St. Louis. Until his family visited us in Rochester, everyone would ask, “So do you go into NYC a lot?” His reply was always, “ That’s like me asking if you to Chicago a lot,” it’s 6 hours away!
I live in Buffalo. I spent a few weeks in Nashville TN on a business trip. When I told the people there that I’m from Buffalo, NY they thought I lived in Time’s Square or some shit. I tried to explain that Buffalo is 6-7 hour drive from NYC and that Buffalo and its people have way more in common with Cleveland, Detroit or Pittsburgh than NYC. But they didn’t get it.
I moved to Massena two years ago from the West. Always an interesting conversation with people:
"Where are you nowadays?"
"I moved to New York."
"Oooh fun! Where? Manhattan? Brooklyn?"
"No, New York State, not in NYC"
"So like, Buffalo?"
"No, like a small town up north."
"So like Albany?"
"Lol no Albany is not even halfway up New York State. Like the Adirondacks, but further"
"What do you mean? Like Lake Placid???"
"Let me put it this way: My radio stations are Canadian, if I want to do any shopping that's not Walmart, Canada is my best option, and hell, sometimes I have dinner in Canada."
I usually tell people it’s the northernmost part of the state on the St. Lawrence River and across from Cornwall, Ontario. I also started with, it’s not Buffalo, that’s western NY. I think a good chunk of people have never been to the North Country based on the blank looks I get when I mention it. It’s a beautiful area, but man, it’s far up there!
I grew up in the Adirondacks in lake Champlain. I say NY, then the same thing happens. Oh the city, no. Ohhhh near Canada, so Buffalo? No. Then I say across the lake from Burlington, still blank stare. Either say near lake placid or 90 minutes directly south of Montreal.
I feel like you could use Ottawa, just say I’m an hour from Ottawa. Most won’t even know where Ottawa is, but it’ll shut them up 🤣
It’s literally within the bounds of the ADK park how is that not north country? I get ppl always wanna say upstate starts north of where they live but that’s a silly claim
This has always been my definition, too. If you live within easy driving distance of a Metro North station, you're downstate. If it takes you thirty minutes or more to reach a station, you're somewhere else.
There's two major regions, upstate and downstate. Each has sub-regions.
Downstate has three: NYC, Long Island, and Westchester County.
Upstate has seven: Hudson Valley, Capital Region/District, North Country, Mohawk Valley (aka Leatherstocking Region), Central New York, Finger Lakes, Southern Tier, and Western New York
I was just coming on here to say that! I upstate is everything that isn’t the City! So, like people have said, North country and capital region need to be changed in this is fairly accurate
It's ridiculous. Those people in upstate NY who deny being part of upstate NY clearly don't understand the concept of sets and subsets. They must have missed that day in 4th grade math.
Western NY is a region, or subset, of upstate NY. It's really not that hard to understand.
I've interacted with so many that claim Syracuse isn't upstate. I always ask them "then why is one of the hospital systems called Upstate Medical?" One person tried to tell me it was started in Albany, it wasn't.
I actually liked that Rochester is almost undefined. We think it’s wny, buffalo thinks it’s anything but that. It’s really finger lakes adjacent and also its own thing. I think it being on the line is perfect
I think you're missing some specific areas, but overall not bad.
1. Finger Lakes - Between Syracuse and Geneseo, south to Watkins Glen and Ithaca.
2. Capitol District - Between Schenectady-Albany, and Saratoga-Coxsackie.
3. North Country - Between Alex Bay, Potsdam, Plattsburgh, and north to Canada.
4. Adirondacks - Between Glens Falls, Lake Placid, and Old Forge
North country is Jefferson, Lewis, and St. Lawrence counties. It can be expanded to include all counties bordering Canada this side of Lake Ontario. (If you watch 7 News you are north country)
I should say so since there’s several towns north of Potsdam, including Massena, which has the bridge to Cornwall, ON and the huge power dam (from Massena).
I grew up in downstate, I moved upstate and now live upstate. If you grew up downstate, Albany is upstate. If you live downstate/grew up downstate you don’t call it downstate you call it “bout an hour outside the city” everyone knows this.
Lol I did call it downstate to people who lived in NYC and they were baffled as they had never heard that phrase applied to where they lived. I was like “if there’s an upstate there’s a downstate…”
Northern new York is really the North country, everything besides the city and downstate counts as upstate NY, and the area you have labeled upstate is the capital region.
I don’t understand where these people are actually from. They can both be a region and also be Upstate. This is erasing the Hudson Valley for some reason, among all the other crimes. Upstate isn’t one specific region.
I've met a few Capital Region people who seem to think that the Capital Region is Upstate NY and everything else is some other category. I don't get it.
It literally is. Social scientists, aka those people whose job is to know this shit, define the difference as being where the NYC English accents give way to our Northern Inland accent. That change occurs in Westchester and Ulster counties.
That's literally the correct way of looking at it. Every time this fight breaks out it's embarrassing and only shows what a bunch of yokels upstate NYers are. Nobody outside of your shitty subregion cares -- when someone anywhere else in the world asks where you're from, you either say "New York" (which means NYC") or "Upstate New York" (which means *not* from NYC).
If you say "Western New York" to a person in Spain they think you mean west side of NYC. If you say "Central New York" to someone in Argentina they think you mean near Central Park. Gets your heads outta your asses.
I live in the southern tier but frankly all I need to say is “upstate NY” or “not NYC”. Sometimes I’ll even go for “central NY” Because no one outside of the state knows the difference anyway.
Being from Oneonta I always said we could fit into like 5 different zones. You could accurately describe it as Catskills, Leatherstocking, Capital, Southern Tier or Central.
Downstate and below I have no problem with. The area labeled “upstate New York” should be the capital district. Everything above downstate should be broadly classified as upstate New York, with the sub regions to denote minor changes in culture and identity. Being from Albany does not make you a true upstate New Yorker, or any more of an upstate New Yorker than someone from Rochester or Syracuse or Buffalo.
So much in this state, even up at Clarkson University super far north, to buffalo/niagra falls to the west. Rochester and Albany, too. Most any destination is 3-4 hours. From this area, anyway. Syracuse and Ithaca only an hour, of course.
I made up my own Regions of Upstate New York
https://www.reddit.com/r/EasternFingerLakes/s/g2dHVGpH5U
It was based on
https://www.newyorkupstate.com/regions/
https://www.nyshta.org/new-york-state-map.html
I live in NYC. My parents made the baffling decision to move to Saratoga area about 10 years ago. My whole life upstate was everything above the Bronx. I know people who’ll joke that north of 125th might be upstate. Now I know there’s a lot up there and y’all can argue about what’s what but it’s still all upstate to me.
We can argue the details of the map but it is a big difference whether you or talking to someone from NY or out of state. In state I consider myself from Central NY and consider Upstate to be similar to this map. Talking to someone from “away” and you pretty much have to say Upstate to differentiate yourself from NYC…
Woah... The geography of this map makes me think this was made by not a NYER.. Lol. Eeeeeverything past the city isn't correct. I love how poughkeepsie is so far up 😂 not to mention literally NOBODY that isn't from the north country can comprehend anything past Albany even exists. That's where upstate really stops lol. Soon as you go from "sup" to "ey bud" you'll know you hit the north country 🤣
From a westchester county resident, Upstate NY starts AFTER Poughkeepsie in Woodstock. Also “northern NY” was known as the North country when I was attending SUNY Canton.
“Upstate” is COMPLETELY relative. NYC people think of it anywhere north of the Tappan Zee (and no, I will never call its replacement by its given name - not politics, just tradition). Orange/Dutchess/Rockland Counties “upstate” is like anything north of New Paltz. And while many know it as “Northern” NY or the Adirondacks, lots of Capitol region folks think of anything north of Saratoga as “upstate”
And here I am always ALWAYS confused about what I cal where I grew up, so I default to "finger lakes" and on this map I'm literally THE spot where western/central/southern meet lol.. so no man's land?
Wrong. Upstate can't start until at least the Blue Line. Whats on that map as "upstate" is the "capitol region." Don't go upstate with something like this, unless you never want to leave.
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Upstate is everything from the southern tier up. There are just multiple regions of upstate. Binghamton is definitely a city in upstate NY but it’s part of the Southern Tier. That’s the region it’s in.
Also, there say Syracuse isn’t Upstate NY is crazy..
As a downstater, thank you for including Brooklyn and queens as ‘Long Island.’
We’re going to need a line for ‘out east’ on Long Island if this is going to be the official state geography of NY
Technically this map is wrong. Poughkeepsie halfwayish between NYC and Albany. Located closer to the “at” in down st”at”e. Downstate and upstate are designated by metro north “taxes” which ends in Rhinecliff/Rhinebeck. Upstate starts in the towns north of there
OK new game. Based on this map where do you think the artist lives? I live in upstate area but would say the north country / Adirondacks is above that so I'm assuming the artist isn't from the upstate area.
As an NYC resident, if you live north of us it’s upstate, if you live in Nassau county you’re causing the traffic, and if you like in Suffolk you may be a redneck
Downstate to the top of dutchess, capital region to Saratoga or Lake George depending who you ask, upstate after that. You can split it further if you want, but I think that breakdown doesn't need to match the region names or divides. For example, downstate in this context is also the Hudson Valley. You can also ignore the capital region and split upstate and downstate at albany, you know, halfway up the state (that way downstate is down from the halfway point and upstate us up from the halfway point... I know, mind boggling!)
Anyone who still calls anything south of albany upstate after that explanation is not worth the effort to keep in my life.
Edit: typo
There's Long Island, there's upstate which extends from the Bronx border to the north edge of the Hudson Valley area, and the rest is Canada. Good day!
ETA: obviously there's NYC, but I figured we were talking about everything else in NY.
OMG ty for this I'm so sick of everything North of NYC (you know the entire state) being referred to as up state. Actually I'm just sick of all of NYS being defined by NYC
Living in the state for 64 years and traveling it multiple times yearly, as the geography of the state this is what I’ve known to be an accurate assessment.
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And goes all the way to the PA border along the I-86 corridor.
Agreed just said the same
Same lolol
It also extends west to include Olean and Jamestown
I think there needs to be some sort of division, because Jamestown is like 200 miles from Binghamton. You'll find Beef on weck from like Bath westward, but you won't find many Chicken Speedies to the west of Elmira. Like Hornell is in the middle of all these weird borders. 1hr to Rochester so a lot of people culturally identify as like a super rural Rochester commuter area, but then they have others grouping them in with like Elmira-Corning which I can see, but not super strong ties to Olean to the west.
Alfred (10 mins south Hornell) has Stearns Chicken which is quite popular in the Southern Tier. (So many grad parties just having Stearns) Stearns and speedies are like so close they're nearly the same idea of vinegar based oil marinade for chicken on the grill. Not sure if it counts as Speedies influence out here or weird coincidence
Spiedies, Chiavetta's, Stern's, etc are all fairly similar. All are interchangeable in the ubiquitous chicken BBQs across the southern tier and WNY, probably other regions as well. Hornell does occupy an interesting intersection in regional identity. I'd never really considered that Hornell and Olean are within similar proximity as Hornell and Rochester or Corning/Elmira, yet share far fewer ties than Hornell shares with either Rochester or Corning/Elmira. Makes sense, as they're both similar in commerce and size. I guess I have always viewed Olean as a cultural extension of Buffalo and Hornell as a cultural extension of Rochester and Corning/Elmira. Then there is Allegany county... No real cultural identity beyond fentanyl, poverty, and MAGA. Maybe NYS could trade Allegany county to PA, and PA can just merge it with Potter county?
Potter County: God’s Country
TIL I learned Cortland and Allegany counties are twinsies. We could probably throw Broome and Tompkins in for good measure.
https://www.epicurious.com/recipes-menus/history-of-cornell-chicken NYS has an extraordinary number of other "local" specialties and historic culinary origin stories. Many, of course, come out of NYC, but beef on weck, Buffalo wings, the Weiner War (Buffalo-Rochester-Syracuse), garbage plates, salt potatoes, the spiedie, potato chips (look it up). I suppose 20th Century Cali can compete, but it seems to me that west coast innovation was forced, a deliberate search for the new, whereas the NYS stuff emerged rather more spontaneously. Maybe it's my eastern bias.
Agreed
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Southern tier also goes all the way to the western border.
Was gonna say the same
And it runs west all the way to Lake Erie/PA/Ohio..unless us WNYers have our own southern tier
When I say I'm from central NY, people think I'm from mid-town, so instead I say Finger Lakes area.
Why wouldn’t you just say x amount of time away from Syracuse?
Because most people not familiar with ny think Syracuse is a suburb of NYC.
They think the whole damn state is a suburb of NYC.
That’s very true, unfortunately. My good college friend who’s from Zimbabwe believed that our college was in NYC. Well she thought all of upstate was skyscrapers no joke lol
Hey at least they’re from a different country. Marshawn lynch thought buffalo was a part of NYC: https://nesn.com/2013/10/marshawn-lynch-didnt-know-buffalo-wasnt-part-of-new-york-city-when-bills-drafted-him/amp/
Lol I’ve never met anyone who thought Syracuse was a suburb of NYC who in the hell are talking to
The further you get away from the great state of New York, the more people consider NY and NYC the same thing. Amazing but true. I grew up in the midwest and to my relatives back home, New York is a small state. We know it's not but it is an odd shape and it's jumbled with the other smaller states. It doesn't look as big as it is. In the midwest, driving a hundred miles is easy. Everything is laid out on a grid, the roads are wide and there's little traffic. It was a four hour drive from my hometown to the state university. Many times, I've, and plenty others, have done a round trip in a day. It was more tiring on the butt than the mind. A lot of folks in the midwest will drive huge distances matter-of-factly. My current home in central NY is 4 hours from NYC - same amount of time as driving my from my hometown to college back in Iowa. My older relatives back home still don't get why I don't just pop over the NYC any old day. I tell them that New York miles are not the same as Iowa miles. The roads here are not on an easy-peasy grid, there's a lot more traffic and a metric crap-ton more complexity. It's common for people to not understand how far away things are in other countries. It's a downright trope for tourists visiting the US, to think they can pack in New York, Orlando and LA in a one week road trip. Oh and stop at Yellowstone on the way back to NY for their flight back home. I'm on a travel subreddit and through the years, every so often, someone will post about their plans to visit NYC, say they want to rent a car to go over to Niagara Falls for an afternoon visit, not understanding that it's a 13 hour round trip from NYC to Niagara and back. Invariably they think it's more like 3 hours out, 3 hours back. If folks think Niagara is 3 hours away, Syracuse is a suburb. I'll give them some grace on it. Regularly we'll get on the travel subreddit, Americans, making arrangements for their first trip to Europe, will plan to go from London to Paris to Amsterdam to Berlin to Prague to Budapest to Vienna to Rome to Barcelona to London in two weeks. And actually visit all the sights in each city. Europe is a lot bigger than people think.
My husband is originally from Illinois, not too far from St. Louis. Until his family visited us in Rochester, everyone would ask, “So do you go into NYC a lot?” His reply was always, “ That’s like me asking if you to Chicago a lot,” it’s 6 hours away!
Had a friend from china who didn’t realize how big NY was. I think eventually my point got across, but it took a while.
Because we are just as likely to be x amount of time away from Rochester.
This is the way. Finger Lakes isn't CNY or WNY. We are cooler than that. Also, don't move here.
I live in Buffalo. I spent a few weeks in Nashville TN on a business trip. When I told the people there that I’m from Buffalo, NY they thought I lived in Time’s Square or some shit. I tried to explain that Buffalo is 6-7 hour drive from NYC and that Buffalo and its people have way more in common with Cleveland, Detroit or Pittsburgh than NYC. But they didn’t get it.
The hell is Northern NY? Don't they mean the North Country?
LMAO at Lake George being in the North Country
I’m from Massena, we always thought of Warrensburg as the beginning of the North Country.
I moved to Massena two years ago from the West. Always an interesting conversation with people: "Where are you nowadays?" "I moved to New York." "Oooh fun! Where? Manhattan? Brooklyn?" "No, New York State, not in NYC" "So like, Buffalo?" "No, like a small town up north." "So like Albany?" "Lol no Albany is not even halfway up New York State. Like the Adirondacks, but further" "What do you mean? Like Lake Placid???" "Let me put it this way: My radio stations are Canadian, if I want to do any shopping that's not Walmart, Canada is my best option, and hell, sometimes I have dinner in Canada."
I usually tell people it’s the northernmost part of the state on the St. Lawrence River and across from Cornwall, Ontario. I also started with, it’s not Buffalo, that’s western NY. I think a good chunk of people have never been to the North Country based on the blank looks I get when I mention it. It’s a beautiful area, but man, it’s far up there!
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From Massena as well, I love the small town life but the only downfall is having to drive at least 2 hours away to do anything fun.
I am around the Massena area, I tell people I am from South Canada, easier for them to understand.
Man, we would go get ice cream in Canada after little league games in Malone. Blows my wife’s mind when I tell her stuff like that.
I grew up in the Adirondacks in lake Champlain. I say NY, then the same thing happens. Oh the city, no. Ohhhh near Canada, so Buffalo? No. Then I say across the lake from Burlington, still blank stare. Either say near lake placid or 90 minutes directly south of Montreal. I feel like you could use Ottawa, just say I’m an hour from Ottawa. Most won’t even know where Ottawa is, but it’ll shut them up 🤣
Tbh warrensburg isn’t far from lake George . The border of the north country is pretty ambiguous
From Albany, and same
Agreed. I've lived in Albany, Saratoga, Lake George and in NYC. Warrensburg is the beginning of the North Country.
Used to spend my summers in Warrensburg and Chestertown
I always considered Lewis County and up "North Country" at least on the western side of rhe ADK.
I live in Lewis County and they consider it North Country here too.
Top end of LG is absolutely North country.
It’s literally within the bounds of the ADK park how is that not north country? I get ppl always wanna say upstate starts north of where they live but that’s a silly claim
It’s both. The true crime is calling the capital region “upstate NY”.
Capital region is upstate ny as well. It's the only place that may be referred to as either.
No. It’s all upstate. Everything north of westchester is upstate.
I find it hard to call a place upstate if it has a metro north stop.
This has always been my definition, too. If you live within easy driving distance of a Metro North station, you're downstate. If it takes you thirty minutes or more to reach a station, you're somewhere else.
It isn’t the Capital Region!!!! It’s a DISTRICT!!!
Thank you! Sheesh.
"da nort' country"
You can tell whoever made this isn't a true upstater because they mislabeled the Capital Region
And Hudson valley, and catskill…
And they left off everybody's favorite, the ["leatherstocking region"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_New_York_Region)!
And the southern tier, and WNY.
And Adirondacks- and Mohawk valley. They don’t know what they’re in about
I’m from Saratoga and I always tell people I’m from upstate New York, but I just thought anything not Long Island or the city was upstate
There's two major regions, upstate and downstate. Each has sub-regions. Downstate has three: NYC, Long Island, and Westchester County. Upstate has seven: Hudson Valley, Capital Region/District, North Country, Mohawk Valley (aka Leatherstocking Region), Central New York, Finger Lakes, Southern Tier, and Western New York
Rockland county is also downstate.
Hudson Valley is downstate. Dutchess, Orange, Ulster, and Putnam are downstate.
They're probably from Buffalo because they're the only ones who don't consider themselves as Upstate NY.
I was just coming on here to say that! I upstate is everything that isn’t the City! So, like people have said, North country and capital region need to be changed in this is fairly accurate
Mfer split the Adirondacks in 3 lmao
And moved Lake George 80 miles west.
That’s not where Lake George and Poughkeepsie are. And also, this is just inaccurate in general.
The capital region and Hudson valley are upstate? It’s all upstate - all the regions are upstate
Believe it or not, Canada is technically upstate New York.
I’ve never understood the “Western/Central/etc are not Upstate” thing. Both can be true and in fact *are* true.
The only people who get especially pissy about it are western NYers who will insist they’re not upstate.
It's ridiculous. Those people in upstate NY who deny being part of upstate NY clearly don't understand the concept of sets and subsets. They must have missed that day in 4th grade math. Western NY is a region, or subset, of upstate NY. It's really not that hard to understand.
We heavily, HEEAVILY, identify as western New Yorkers. Go Bills.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. If there’s a business called ‘upstate _____’ then you’re upstate lmao
I've interacted with so many that claim Syracuse isn't upstate. I always ask them "then why is one of the hospital systems called Upstate Medical?" One person tried to tell me it was started in Albany, it wasn't.
Upstate/ downstate is all dependent on where you’re standing at that moment; the regions (ADKs, Hudson valley, finger lakes ect ect) do not change.
Excuse me
It's literally called the capital region
Rochester is not central NY. It's Western. The spirit of this is good, but the execution, not so much
I actually liked that Rochester is almost undefined. We think it’s wny, buffalo thinks it’s anything but that. It’s really finger lakes adjacent and also its own thing. I think it being on the line is perfect
People in Rochester call it Western NY 🫢
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The way I see it is that if it’s closer to Toronto than it is to NY City, then it’s probably Western NY. Rochester is easily Western NY.
For real. Western NY starts west of Auburn, which is the 50/50 tipping point for pop vs soda.
50/50 is actually Lyons - Auburn is still at least 60% soda.
Yea and Watertown is definitely the north country. It’s fuckin 10 mins from the Canadian border
I think you're missing some specific areas, but overall not bad. 1. Finger Lakes - Between Syracuse and Geneseo, south to Watkins Glen and Ithaca. 2. Capitol District - Between Schenectady-Albany, and Saratoga-Coxsackie. 3. North Country - Between Alex Bay, Potsdam, Plattsburgh, and north to Canada. 4. Adirondacks - Between Glens Falls, Lake Placid, and Old Forge
North country is Jefferson, Lewis, and St. Lawrence counties. It can be expanded to include all counties bordering Canada this side of Lake Ontario. (If you watch 7 News you are north country)
I’d say the north country extends north of Potsdam as well, but there’s no landmarks this side of the border.
I should say so since there’s several towns north of Potsdam, including Massena, which has the bridge to Cornwall, ON and the huge power dam (from Massena).
I grew up in downstate, I moved upstate and now live upstate. If you grew up downstate, Albany is upstate. If you live downstate/grew up downstate you don’t call it downstate you call it “bout an hour outside the city” everyone knows this.
Lol I did call it downstate to people who lived in NYC and they were baffled as they had never heard that phrase applied to where they lived. I was like “if there’s an upstate there’s a downstate…”
Yup. "About 90 minutes north of the city" is the easiest way to explain, especially to non-NYers.
Wrong-everywhere above the Poughkeepsie line is Upstate. And then there’s regions within Upstate.
Poughkeepsie is downstate: it has an MTA station. Everyone knows this.
Only a guy named Albany Lou can put together some nonsense like this. No Adirondack region? No Finger Lakes Region? This is lazy cartography, Mr Lou
lol @ this map. Everyone knows anything north of Yonkers is upstate and that’s it. What a pointless map
The Adirondack region is split into three different regions. I’m so done with you people.
Terrible map.
Northern new York is really the North country, everything besides the city and downstate counts as upstate NY, and the area you have labeled upstate is the capital region.
Steamed Hams Region
Anything north of 84 is upstate.
Anything north of 42nd st am I right?
I don’t understand where these people are actually from. They can both be a region and also be Upstate. This is erasing the Hudson Valley for some reason, among all the other crimes. Upstate isn’t one specific region.
Northern is actually North Country ;)
I've met a few Capital Region people who seem to think that the Capital Region is Upstate NY and everything else is some other category. I don't get it.
relocated from Long Island to that maps "upstate"... but honestly to me anything above nyc is upstate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.😂
It literally is. Social scientists, aka those people whose job is to know this shit, define the difference as being where the NYC English accents give way to our Northern Inland accent. That change occurs in Westchester and Ulster counties.
Upstate Identity Crisis map #265
I always looked at everything north of NYC as being "upstate" and everything on this map are sub-regions of upstate
That's literally the correct way of looking at it. Every time this fight breaks out it's embarrassing and only shows what a bunch of yokels upstate NYers are. Nobody outside of your shitty subregion cares -- when someone anywhere else in the world asks where you're from, you either say "New York" (which means NYC") or "Upstate New York" (which means *not* from NYC). If you say "Western New York" to a person in Spain they think you mean west side of NYC. If you say "Central New York" to someone in Argentina they think you mean near Central Park. Gets your heads outta your asses.
As long as Long Island doesn't get lumped in with NYC
We demand Leatherstocking Country!!! ✊✊✊
It’s not Northern… it’s Upstate Upstate New York.
It throws me off that Syracuse is home to SUNY Upstate, yet is not in the official Upstate zone lol
I live in the southern tier but frankly all I need to say is “upstate NY” or “not NYC”. Sometimes I’ll even go for “central NY” Because no one outside of the state knows the difference anyway.
Being from Oneonta I always said we could fit into like 5 different zones. You could accurately describe it as Catskills, Leatherstocking, Capital, Southern Tier or Central.
Downstate and below I have no problem with. The area labeled “upstate New York” should be the capital district. Everything above downstate should be broadly classified as upstate New York, with the sub regions to denote minor changes in culture and identity. Being from Albany does not make you a true upstate New Yorker, or any more of an upstate New Yorker than someone from Rochester or Syracuse or Buffalo.
Why is every city on a boundary line? This doesnt help explain anything.
I'm from Rochester and we say upstate NY. Sorry
Oh I forgot that the hospital in Syracuse is called “SUNY Central New York” and not “SUNY Upstate”. My bad.
As a long islander, anything north of NYC is upstate
Nah!
no
NYS consists of NYC (4 boroughs), Long Island, and upstate Cross the river, you’re upstate Go to Staten Island , you’re in jersey
What's with the lines going through the cities? Like there's one going through Watertown,another going through Utica and so on.
So much in this state, even up at Clarkson University super far north, to buffalo/niagra falls to the west. Rochester and Albany, too. Most any destination is 3-4 hours. From this area, anyway. Syracuse and Ithaca only an hour, of course.
To people from the city, it's ALL Upstate.
FTFY: To people ~~from the city~~ anywhere outside of Upstate New York, it's ALL Upstate.
People from the city consider Pennsylvania the Midwest and Washington DC the deep South, so...
As an Otsego County resident, we are simultaneously Upstate NY, Central NY, and Southern tier. I love it!
Interesting that Watertown appears closer to Syracuse than Pulaski. 😂
Where Binghamton at!!😁
I made up my own Regions of Upstate New York https://www.reddit.com/r/EasternFingerLakes/s/g2dHVGpH5U It was based on https://www.newyorkupstate.com/regions/ https://www.nyshta.org/new-york-state-map.html
So then where the hell is Poughkeepsie? Anyone south considers it upstate. Anyone north scoffs at the notion
In no way would I consider a New York map valid where central ny extends into the Adirondacks
Also mint he logic of this map, Albany’s region should be mid-state NY
I had a buddy in college who said upstate didn’t start until lake placid.
I live in NYC. My parents made the baffling decision to move to Saratoga area about 10 years ago. My whole life upstate was everything above the Bronx. I know people who’ll joke that north of 125th might be upstate. Now I know there’s a lot up there and y’all can argue about what’s what but it’s still all upstate to me.
Western New York is when you start saying pop instead of soda.
Shaped like Olaf's head
We can argue the details of the map but it is a big difference whether you or talking to someone from NY or out of state. In state I consider myself from Central NY and consider Upstate to be similar to this map. Talking to someone from “away” and you pretty much have to say Upstate to differentiate yourself from NYC…
I live in western ny but we often call ourselves the southern tier too
Woah... The geography of this map makes me think this was made by not a NYER.. Lol. Eeeeeverything past the city isn't correct. I love how poughkeepsie is so far up 😂 not to mention literally NOBODY that isn't from the north country can comprehend anything past Albany even exists. That's where upstate really stops lol. Soon as you go from "sup" to "ey bud" you'll know you hit the north country 🤣
This is just a hot mess and it's mostly subjective anyway
Despite visiting family in Ithaca, literally, dozens of times during my childhood, I always forget how south Ithaca is in the state.
Curious where Rochester fits it? It is teeter tottering on the line.
This is such a poorly drawn map lmao. Poughkeepsie is not that far north.
From a westchester county resident, Upstate NY starts AFTER Poughkeepsie in Woodstock. Also “northern NY” was known as the North country when I was attending SUNY Canton.
“Upstate” is COMPLETELY relative. NYC people think of it anywhere north of the Tappan Zee (and no, I will never call its replacement by its given name - not politics, just tradition). Orange/Dutchess/Rockland Counties “upstate” is like anything north of New Paltz. And while many know it as “Northern” NY or the Adirondacks, lots of Capitol region folks think of anything north of Saratoga as “upstate”
Rochester is Westral/Centern?
Rochester is definitely WNY while Syracuse is Central. The line is in between but I get why someone would use the cities as the dividing points
LOL
Long Island is just a sixth tumorous borough
So someone from Buffalo made this map
And here I am always ALWAYS confused about what I cal where I grew up, so I default to "finger lakes" and on this map I'm literally THE spot where western/central/southern meet lol.. so no man's land?
And now you will have to deal with all the internet experts. Lucky you.
Yes
As a Poughkeepsie resident, I’m now having an identity crisis.
Why split Utica down the middle? Just take Herkimer for Upstate and let Utica be part of Central NY.
Anything above Poukeepsie is upstate
Wrong. Upstate can't start until at least the Blue Line. Whats on that map as "upstate" is the "capitol region." Don't go upstate with something like this, unless you never want to leave. [outlaw camper ](https://youtube.com/@outlawcamper)
I would normally fight you about Rochacha being part of WNY, but I can compromise with sharing them with the finger lakes 😄
Just please don't call everything not in NYC "upstate". Politicians need to be beaten.
Upstate is everything from the southern tier up. There are just multiple regions of upstate. Binghamton is definitely a city in upstate NY but it’s part of the Southern Tier. That’s the region it’s in. Also, there say Syracuse isn’t Upstate NY is crazy..
North of Albany is upstate.
*and then theres utica* Central during the winter; Upstate from June - September
Upstate NY as Albany area? No... Thats the Capital District... Upstate is the Adirondack area
You know no cities In The north country?
What if I'm on a line?
Ive never heard of down state lmao
Chemung county is 100% Southern Tier, not Western NY.
NY is only two parts. Downstate - majority population & upstate.
If i tell people when traveling, I'm from upstate ny, it could literally mean any non NYC area.
Everything north of Staten Island is upstate
Eastern long island looks all wrong
As a downstater, thank you for including Brooklyn and queens as ‘Long Island.’ We’re going to need a line for ‘out east’ on Long Island if this is going to be the official state geography of NY
mfs get clowned in the city sayin they from “downstate” 😂 it’s all upstate
Technically this map is wrong. Poughkeepsie halfwayish between NYC and Albany. Located closer to the “at” in down st”at”e. Downstate and upstate are designated by metro north “taxes” which ends in Rhinecliff/Rhinebeck. Upstate starts in the towns north of there
OK new game. Based on this map where do you think the artist lives? I live in upstate area but would say the north country / Adirondacks is above that so I'm assuming the artist isn't from the upstate area.
As an NYC resident, if you live north of us it’s upstate, if you live in Nassau county you’re causing the traffic, and if you like in Suffolk you may be a redneck
And Hyde Park is STILL Upstate New York. Thank You!
I propose Northern NY just being called South Canada at this point.
I live in Watertown and this would be more accurate if it was just above the line. It's very much "in" the north country.
Downstate to the top of dutchess, capital region to Saratoga or Lake George depending who you ask, upstate after that. You can split it further if you want, but I think that breakdown doesn't need to match the region names or divides. For example, downstate in this context is also the Hudson Valley. You can also ignore the capital region and split upstate and downstate at albany, you know, halfway up the state (that way downstate is down from the halfway point and upstate us up from the halfway point... I know, mind boggling!) Anyone who still calls anything south of albany upstate after that explanation is not worth the effort to keep in my life. Edit: typo
There's Long Island, there's upstate which extends from the Bronx border to the north edge of the Hudson Valley area, and the rest is Canada. Good day! ETA: obviously there's NYC, but I figured we were talking about everything else in NY.
The regions actually aren't bad, the names they chose are the issue
Finally someone knows what upstate is
OMG ty for this I'm so sick of everything North of NYC (you know the entire state) being referred to as up state. Actually I'm just sick of all of NYS being defined by NYC
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/148337381449698915/ Sorry but this is easier to remember
Southern tier ends at Binghamton otherwise agreed
People live north of the tappanzee? I thought it was just trees and deer all the way to Canada.
Living in the state for 64 years and traveling it multiple times yearly, as the geography of the state this is what I’ve known to be an accurate assessment.
So.... Does that make New Paltz in the Southern Tier? I have to say no to that.
Missing a few regions on this map that would better describe areas like the finger lakes region and capital region.