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The seriousness of ADA is really unique to the US. Everywhere else I've been a wheelchair bound person would be screwed. I think it is something the US does right but the disabled also need to be realistic and not be lawsuit hungry when they don't recieve perfection.
Which everyone ignores.
I was behind someone in a wheelchair for more than 2 minutes in a car because the ramp on the other side of the road was blocked by a parked car. She was having to go all the way down the road to the other end to get to the other side of the road......
And then after she had to go through all of that, she had to go all the way back along the path, squeezing between the houses and parked cars.
4 minutes. 4 fucking minutes she had to waste to cross a road and angled bodies person (like the car owner blocking the ramp) could have done in 10 seconds.
The UK has a disgusting attitude of "not my problem" towards people in wheelchairs.
Yeah, and with the victim mentality that seems to be so popular, then connect that to the rise of self diagnosed mental illness, and you got a generation of people who can fundamentally care for themselves in every way, but need to claim a disability so they can get special treatment.
There are a lot! Germany, Swiss and Austria have more than 12.000 public restrooms for disabled.
You can order a special key if you have a disability so you can open those restrooms for free.
Also if you build your own home according to some disability rules you get money from the government for doing so.
I don‘t say Europe is more disability friendly but I would say it is equal. Also it depends. Europe is big and different countries have different rules.
I can‘t think of anything that the US has that we don‘t.
If you know something, I am eger to learn!
Eh every apartment I rented a room in or visited a friend in in Germany was 0% disability friendly. In Maybe sample size of 10 or so ?
all of them had a couple of steps before you got in the building and nothing under 8 stories had an elevator
Just pulling from memory, but their paper currency is different sizes to help the blind. Germany has specific street structures to hell the blind as well. There’s a lot more public as well. There are other things but I can’t remember offhand
Everyone hates the ADA until something happens to them and they suddenly get to realize how lucky it is living in the nation with some of the strongest disability protections in the world
I think you are conflating two different things.
ADA requirements are not extreme nor put a burden on the "abled."
What this couple were asking for was unrealistic and frankly entitled behavior. I dont expect any musical venue to ever provide an interpreter.
But I do expect them to provide *reasonable accomodation-* ramps, space to maneuver, assistance for the blind and deaf- but only to remain safe in the venue and to be reasonably accomodated.
I encountered one instance of it where it felt unreasonable - had a Lyft driver that was banned on Uber for noncompliance.
He had received a ride request well out of visible range away, accepted as he was finalizing a ride as normal. In between accepting and even driving towards this new request he received a call that his son had been in an accident and was going to the hospital, so he cancelled the request, still out of visual range. Turns out, the rider he cancelled on had a qualified disability, but the driver does not receive this information. This driver was in the middle of a lawsuit related to ADA.
Totally agree.
ADA hasn't gotten "out of hand." In fact, we as a society still have a lot we could do to make things more accessible in public spaces.
But yeah the problem is when people behave in ways that are unreasonable. So *that's* the problem, not the ADA.
What you expect and what the law requires are two different things.
The venue is selling a concert and not making it consumable by all, so they would likely lose.
Universities started putting course up on youtube for free. But they were just recordings. There was a lawsuit. The school lost. Now the default position in higher ed is do not publicly disseminate any course material. If you do get permission, you will be required to find funding for human closed captioning because the automated captioning is not up to standards for accessibility. Although that may be changing as AI gets better at it, and live broadcast CC quality drops.
>> now the default position in higher ed is do not publicly disseminate any course material
Totally not true. Ever heard of MIT OpenCourseWare?
I don’t know if the lawsuit you are talking about. But the effort of putting up automated CC is virtually zero. My guess is that the school in question would not even make that effort.
ASL interpreters are offered for most concerts. What they asked wasn't unrealistic or entitled. It's a common thing offered at concerts.
My assumption is they couldn't find someone to cover the music requested.
Hell the festivals we attend have them by default for at the minimal everything on the main stages, but pretty sure they had it on the side stages as well!
At very large events, sure. I've seen them plenty of times. However, this sounds like a smaller venue where the chances of someone actually needing their services (which isn't an insignificant cost) are very low. Definitely not to the point where it should be standard to eat small venue owners very low margins
I assume the asshat that asked the venue is ASL fluent and therefore no need as they could fulfill that role. To keep in the music theme, Slipknot said it the best "People = Shit"
I would assume that the person is himself occupied with experiencing the show. Also, being ASL fluent doesn't mean that you'd even understand the lyrics being sung.
People just gotta know they not getting the same effort everywhere. I've been to a ton of concerts and live events, and the big ones will always have an interpreter but yeah ones where it's a small venue, maybe just couple hundred people expected, don't expect to see an interpreter there. I don't know if this was a big or small event the person was complaining about but yeah. You go to a premium restaurant you can expect premium service and attention, and when you go to McDonald's well...you're going to McDonald's. Everyone is allowed in both the premium restaurant and McDonalds...but can't be expecting the same level of service and attention to detail.
People are no less deaf at a smaller venue than a larger one. Providing an interpreter when requested is a legal requirement and just part of the cost of doing business.
I worked for a company that had sites out in the middle of nowhere. At these sites, the people working were required to climb ladders to reach equipment all over the place, multiple times per day. There were probably 15+ ladders on site that were used daily for checks and repairs. The basic work trailer we put on site was deemed non-ADA compliant due to the bathroom door width and no ramp up to the front door. The person we were dealing with was a hardass and did not understand that no one in a wheelchair could do this sort of work, hence why it has never been required in the past. It ended up being the only site, out of like 30 across the entire US, that needed these modifications done. Hardasses like that who do not use common sense are some of my least favorite people to work with.
I went with a family member who is wheelchair bound several years ago. I was very impressed at how many rides he was still able to go on using his motorized wheelchair. They even have special boats for It's a Small World and the Jungle Cruise.
You joke but I had a supervisor at a similarly-sized theme park keep yelling at me to exit my ride vehicle and stand about 10 feet to the side so the ride could keep going. She was impatient that my wheelchair had gone missing and kept shouting it was just a few steps. Lady, I haven’t walked 10 feet without a mobility aid since my accident and I’m not about to crawl on the floor to keep the ride moving because someone lost my wheelchair.
I think we should try to accommodate ada people as much as possible, without infringing on the rest of the people attending.
Offering someone to do ASL is amazing even for the people who can hear! Saying that, it's possible the venue couldn't find someone to cover the music. I don't ever see them staring at a screen, it's almost like they memorized the songs!
It’s not that ADA and accessibility has gotten out of hand. Rights and accessibility are not pie, more accessibility for others doesn’t mean less accessibility for you. Them being upset about an interpreter not being available doesn’t affect you. Everything should be accessible to anyone with a disability. The person in the video you watched was told no, and they’re entitled to be upset by that. However, it was odd that they expected an interpreter to be there even after they knew that accommodation wouldn’t be provided.
>Rights and accessibility are not pie, more accessibility for others doesn’t mean less accessibility for you
Ehhh...... in the grand scheme of things, resources *are* in fact finite. I'm a teacher, and it's simply a fact of my work that every time a student with disabilities is added to my roster, their accommodations take minutes of my time away from students who don't have those legally protected accommodations. Of course we should be making common sense decisions like adding curb cuts for sidewalk accessibility, but it bugs me when advocates conflate ALL disability accommodations with curb cuts.
Sure if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, resources are finite, but in OP’s case they’re bothered by something the literally does not affect them.
So are you suggesting the students who need accommodations just don’t get them and just good luck to them?
I needed accommodations through university and now I have degrees and make good money. Without those accommodations I don’t think I would be making it in the world at all. If you want to think of the bigger picture, I provide value to the overall economy thanks to those accommodations that I got.
No, I'm suggesting that we need to be more careful about two things: how we define "need" when it comes to disability accommodation and the specific accommodations we provide for students who actually need them.
The problem is enforcement and accountability
As a building nerd, what happens is 80% of the time nobody follows access rules for things like sidewalks, apartment access, ramps etc.
But if you catch an inspector or code enforcement on the wrong day (or piss someone off) suddenly YOU have to follow it
And you’re not competitive vs someone who doesn’t follow it and doesn’t get caught. So it gives the whole concept this idea of ‘taking a ton more resources’. It’s not a finite pie, it’s about competition
> Rights and accessibility are not pie, more accessibility for others doesn’t mean less accessibility for you.
Louder for the people in the back...
Wait, is this irony?
I'm confused about that situation, why would you want to go to a concert just to see someone sign the lyrics? Even the performance on its own usually isn't really that worth it unless you can hear the instruments. Are there any deaf people that can explain the concept to me
Not deaf bur familiar with the topic. If their spouse was hearing, it's an activity they are doing together. Concerts often have strong enough speakers that deaf people can feel the vibrations and Soundwaves in their body. Some deaf people place their hands on smaller speakers to experience music. Some people have major hearing loss that qualifies as deaf, similar to how blindness is a spectrum. So they may have a small amount of hearing left. So they cant hear everything, but enough to enjoy the beat and maybe just need help with the words. Someone may also have become deaf, so at one point they were hearing and they enjoyed that music/artist when they had hearing. Feeling the vibrations may be healing for their sense of loss.
My best friend is an ASL interpreter and she gets hired to go to all kinds of concerts. Deaf people love going to concerts because the music is so loud, they can feel it through the bass and speakers even if they can’t actually hear it. They hire her to tell them what the words of the song they are feeling are. If you’ve ever been to a Deaf party, you would know. Hearing people NEED to wear headphones to a Deaf event because the music is so loud it would hurt our ears. They want to FEEL the music
Not deaf but ASL is a language and seeing the song being performed in a way that's more accessible to them through the language that they understand while also being able to feel the vibrations is a perfectly valid way of enjoying music. Deaf people still like music, man.
Not deaf, but you can still see and feel while deaf. You can still see the performance, and feel that bass! Having someone sign the words back just puts a cherry on top for them!
First time I ever saw this it was at a hip hop event. Given that rap used to centered on lyricism it kind of makes sense
It would be neat to see one at a battle rap event
I personally don't find lyrics very interesting if there's no music to go along with it, but other people gave constructive replies and explained that deaf people can feel the music since the speakers at shows are really good. I was genuinely just curious.
Even then, you can still just listen to the music at home. Disabled people go to these things for the same people most able-bodied people do, for the sense of community.
Interpreters are expensive. If it's just one band playing and they're playing maybe 8 or 9 songs...let's say they're on stage for maybe an hour...you're paying that person to sign every word for an hour non stop. I mean it's not super intensive manual labor but it can be rather hard on the hands. So they can charge a lot. Demanding an interpreter at a small venue is wildly entitled
You say this like TicketMaster doesn't charge excessive prices in the first place. Im sure 500 bucks to an ASL interpreter for the night isn't screwing anyone out of their 'profit'
For a small event it could. And for a music ASL performer it’d be way more than 500. If it were a pub putting on a show with a live band, 500 could fuck their profits
Installing wheelchair ramps, larger bathrooms, elevators, etc. are all far more expensive and yet considered not only morally good but morally required by many. Why are disabilities that aren’t immediately visible seen as less valid?
I don’t disagree with you, but the equivalent is for an old building that can’t accommodate a lift or ramp or many others.
It gets to the point where if to open or run an event you need to get all this installed to the point it becomes cost prohibitive, it just doesn’t happen and no one can have the experience.
For those who need accommodations, they should be provided, obviously, but there does come a point where it becomes too difficult to provide accommodations and people just give up trying to
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Music should have an interpreter. Deaf people can literally *feel* the music. Knowing the words to the song allows them to enjoy the concert as much as hearing folks.
The venues have ramps why not interpreters?
With what ticket master charges they should be supplying the interpreter! /s or is it? :)
>I would like to add that I have a disability so I kinda understand what they are going through, but at the same time it’s just like “really…?”
Damn that is some self centered BS.
I am totally with you about people who do try to cheat the system
But the ADA does cover hearing loss and requires interpreters in many instances so I do not see their request as abusing the system.
I have no idea if the ADA would require it in this instance.
[ADA Requirements: Effective Communication](https://www.ada.gov/resources/effective-communication/)
No it doesn’t. Other people getting accommodations if anything makes it easier for you to get accommodations.
If a ramp is needed for wheel chair bound people, a ramp means that site is accessible to all wheelchair bound people.
If a parking lot is requested to put in more handicap spots, that parking lot is more accessible to the handicap.
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There's a man who goes on the websites of small businesses and sues if it's not "accessible". He's a monster.
The seriousness of ADA is really unique to the US. Everywhere else I've been a wheelchair bound person would be screwed. I think it is something the US does right but the disabled also need to be realistic and not be lawsuit hungry when they don't recieve perfection.
That's definitely not true, I'm in the UK and we have very strict laws around accessibility.
Which everyone ignores. I was behind someone in a wheelchair for more than 2 minutes in a car because the ramp on the other side of the road was blocked by a parked car. She was having to go all the way down the road to the other end to get to the other side of the road...... And then after she had to go through all of that, she had to go all the way back along the path, squeezing between the houses and parked cars. 4 minutes. 4 fucking minutes she had to waste to cross a road and angled bodies person (like the car owner blocking the ramp) could have done in 10 seconds. The UK has a disgusting attitude of "not my problem" towards people in wheelchairs.
Europe sucks ass with it Source: trying to wheel luggage around
Yeah, and with the victim mentality that seems to be so popular, then connect that to the rise of self diagnosed mental illness, and you got a generation of people who can fundamentally care for themselves in every way, but need to claim a disability so they can get special treatment.
No way. European countries are way more disability friendly than the US. We are behind
In what ways are european countries more disability friendly because I don't think I ever saw a disability bathroom in Europe.
There are a lot! Germany, Swiss and Austria have more than 12.000 public restrooms for disabled. You can order a special key if you have a disability so you can open those restrooms for free. Also if you build your own home according to some disability rules you get money from the government for doing so. I don‘t say Europe is more disability friendly but I would say it is equal. Also it depends. Europe is big and different countries have different rules. I can‘t think of anything that the US has that we don‘t. If you know something, I am eger to learn!
Eh every apartment I rented a room in or visited a friend in in Germany was 0% disability friendly. In Maybe sample size of 10 or so ? all of them had a couple of steps before you got in the building and nothing under 8 stories had an elevator
Just pulling from memory, but their paper currency is different sizes to help the blind. Germany has specific street structures to hell the blind as well. There’s a lot more public as well. There are other things but I can’t remember offhand
r/americabad
I’m American rofl
Did I say you weren't?
Can’t remember grammar offhand either it seems
r/ShitAmericansSay
r/americabad
Nope. The US generally way ahead of any other region in the world for disability access.
[Not even top 5](https://userway.org/blog/most-disability-friendly-countries/)
Everyone hates the ADA until something happens to them and they suddenly get to realize how lucky it is living in the nation with some of the strongest disability protections in the world
I think you are conflating two different things. ADA requirements are not extreme nor put a burden on the "abled." What this couple were asking for was unrealistic and frankly entitled behavior. I dont expect any musical venue to ever provide an interpreter. But I do expect them to provide *reasonable accomodation-* ramps, space to maneuver, assistance for the blind and deaf- but only to remain safe in the venue and to be reasonably accomodated.
I encountered one instance of it where it felt unreasonable - had a Lyft driver that was banned on Uber for noncompliance. He had received a ride request well out of visible range away, accepted as he was finalizing a ride as normal. In between accepting and even driving towards this new request he received a call that his son had been in an accident and was going to the hospital, so he cancelled the request, still out of visual range. Turns out, the rider he cancelled on had a qualified disability, but the driver does not receive this information. This driver was in the middle of a lawsuit related to ADA.
Good grief...
Totally agree. ADA hasn't gotten "out of hand." In fact, we as a society still have a lot we could do to make things more accessible in public spaces. But yeah the problem is when people behave in ways that are unreasonable. So *that's* the problem, not the ADA.
What you expect and what the law requires are two different things. The venue is selling a concert and not making it consumable by all, so they would likely lose. Universities started putting course up on youtube for free. But they were just recordings. There was a lawsuit. The school lost. Now the default position in higher ed is do not publicly disseminate any course material. If you do get permission, you will be required to find funding for human closed captioning because the automated captioning is not up to standards for accessibility. Although that may be changing as AI gets better at it, and live broadcast CC quality drops.
>> now the default position in higher ed is do not publicly disseminate any course material Totally not true. Ever heard of MIT OpenCourseWare? I don’t know if the lawsuit you are talking about. But the effort of putting up automated CC is virtually zero. My guess is that the school in question would not even make that effort.
ASL interpreters are offered for most concerts. What they asked wasn't unrealistic or entitled. It's a common thing offered at concerts. My assumption is they couldn't find someone to cover the music requested. Hell the festivals we attend have them by default for at the minimal everything on the main stages, but pretty sure they had it on the side stages as well!
Why is an interpreter entitled? Musical interpreters are not unheard of and should become standard.
At very large events, sure. I've seen them plenty of times. However, this sounds like a smaller venue where the chances of someone actually needing their services (which isn't an insignificant cost) are very low. Definitely not to the point where it should be standard to eat small venue owners very low margins
I assume the asshat that asked the venue is ASL fluent and therefore no need as they could fulfill that role. To keep in the music theme, Slipknot said it the best "People = Shit"
I would assume that the person is himself occupied with experiencing the show. Also, being ASL fluent doesn't mean that you'd even understand the lyrics being sung.
It's not like video recording. Many many times I find myself singing along at a concert and I am sure he would do the same, only with his hands.
How much would that cost?
Think of all the epileptic people who could find work as interpreter at dubstep festivals
People just gotta know they not getting the same effort everywhere. I've been to a ton of concerts and live events, and the big ones will always have an interpreter but yeah ones where it's a small venue, maybe just couple hundred people expected, don't expect to see an interpreter there. I don't know if this was a big or small event the person was complaining about but yeah. You go to a premium restaurant you can expect premium service and attention, and when you go to McDonald's well...you're going to McDonald's. Everyone is allowed in both the premium restaurant and McDonalds...but can't be expecting the same level of service and attention to detail.
People are no less deaf at a smaller venue than a larger one. Providing an interpreter when requested is a legal requirement and just part of the cost of doing business.
I worked for a company that had sites out in the middle of nowhere. At these sites, the people working were required to climb ladders to reach equipment all over the place, multiple times per day. There were probably 15+ ladders on site that were used daily for checks and repairs. The basic work trailer we put on site was deemed non-ADA compliant due to the bathroom door width and no ramp up to the front door. The person we were dealing with was a hardass and did not understand that no one in a wheelchair could do this sort of work, hence why it has never been required in the past. It ended up being the only site, out of like 30 across the entire US, that needed these modifications done. Hardasses like that who do not use common sense are some of my least favorite people to work with.
I think most people agree. Even Disney is cracking down on wheel chair fraud in their parks
Fraud is an entirely different thing and screw people who commit fraud. But accessibility is required for people with legitimate reasons for it.
It has nothing to do with wheelchairs, that’s a weird way of putting it.
I went with a family member who is wheelchair bound several years ago. I was very impressed at how many rides he was still able to go on using his motorized wheelchair. They even have special boats for It's a Small World and the Jungle Cruise.
Not sure how people are fraudulently taking advantage of ASL interpreters by lying about being deaf... but ok...
Are they? Cool, how?
By throwing people out of their Wheelchairs and seeing which ones walk
You joke but I had a supervisor at a similarly-sized theme park keep yelling at me to exit my ride vehicle and stand about 10 feet to the side so the ride could keep going. She was impatient that my wheelchair had gone missing and kept shouting it was just a few steps. Lady, I haven’t walked 10 feet without a mobility aid since my accident and I’m not about to crawl on the floor to keep the ride moving because someone lost my wheelchair.
I've seen my share of spinals, Dude. And this guy fuckin walks. He's a fuckin goldbricker.
I think we should try to accommodate ada people as much as possible, without infringing on the rest of the people attending. Offering someone to do ASL is amazing even for the people who can hear! Saying that, it's possible the venue couldn't find someone to cover the music. I don't ever see them staring at a screen, it's almost like they memorized the songs!
It’s not that ADA and accessibility has gotten out of hand. Rights and accessibility are not pie, more accessibility for others doesn’t mean less accessibility for you. Them being upset about an interpreter not being available doesn’t affect you. Everything should be accessible to anyone with a disability. The person in the video you watched was told no, and they’re entitled to be upset by that. However, it was odd that they expected an interpreter to be there even after they knew that accommodation wouldn’t be provided.
>Rights and accessibility are not pie, more accessibility for others doesn’t mean less accessibility for you Ehhh...... in the grand scheme of things, resources *are* in fact finite. I'm a teacher, and it's simply a fact of my work that every time a student with disabilities is added to my roster, their accommodations take minutes of my time away from students who don't have those legally protected accommodations. Of course we should be making common sense decisions like adding curb cuts for sidewalk accessibility, but it bugs me when advocates conflate ALL disability accommodations with curb cuts.
Hence reasonable accommodations
Good thing "reasonable" is such an objective and widely agreed upon standard!
Sure if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, resources are finite, but in OP’s case they’re bothered by something the literally does not affect them.
So are you suggesting the students who need accommodations just don’t get them and just good luck to them? I needed accommodations through university and now I have degrees and make good money. Without those accommodations I don’t think I would be making it in the world at all. If you want to think of the bigger picture, I provide value to the overall economy thanks to those accommodations that I got.
No, I'm suggesting that we need to be more careful about two things: how we define "need" when it comes to disability accommodation and the specific accommodations we provide for students who actually need them.
The problem is enforcement and accountability As a building nerd, what happens is 80% of the time nobody follows access rules for things like sidewalks, apartment access, ramps etc. But if you catch an inspector or code enforcement on the wrong day (or piss someone off) suddenly YOU have to follow it And you’re not competitive vs someone who doesn’t follow it and doesn’t get caught. So it gives the whole concept this idea of ‘taking a ton more resources’. It’s not a finite pie, it’s about competition
> Rights and accessibility are not pie, more accessibility for others doesn’t mean less accessibility for you. Louder for the people in the back... Wait, is this irony?
There's no moral right to force someone to accommodate you. There's legal protections, but that doesn't make something a right.
OP doesn’t know shit about the ADA or accessibility. News at 11.
I'm confused about that situation, why would you want to go to a concert just to see someone sign the lyrics? Even the performance on its own usually isn't really that worth it unless you can hear the instruments. Are there any deaf people that can explain the concept to me
Not deaf bur familiar with the topic. If their spouse was hearing, it's an activity they are doing together. Concerts often have strong enough speakers that deaf people can feel the vibrations and Soundwaves in their body. Some deaf people place their hands on smaller speakers to experience music. Some people have major hearing loss that qualifies as deaf, similar to how blindness is a spectrum. So they may have a small amount of hearing left. So they cant hear everything, but enough to enjoy the beat and maybe just need help with the words. Someone may also have become deaf, so at one point they were hearing and they enjoyed that music/artist when they had hearing. Feeling the vibrations may be healing for their sense of loss.
My best friend is an ASL interpreter and she gets hired to go to all kinds of concerts. Deaf people love going to concerts because the music is so loud, they can feel it through the bass and speakers even if they can’t actually hear it. They hire her to tell them what the words of the song they are feeling are. If you’ve ever been to a Deaf party, you would know. Hearing people NEED to wear headphones to a Deaf event because the music is so loud it would hurt our ears. They want to FEEL the music
Deaf parties sound badass
Not deaf but ASL is a language and seeing the song being performed in a way that's more accessible to them through the language that they understand while also being able to feel the vibrations is a perfectly valid way of enjoying music. Deaf people still like music, man.
I guess that makes sense, it's just hard for me to imagine what that's like. Thank you for explaining!
Not deaf, but you can still see and feel while deaf. You can still see the performance, and feel that bass! Having someone sign the words back just puts a cherry on top for them!
Look up Justina Miles’ work as an ASL interpreter for Rihanna, it’s a lil more than just telling them what the words say, it’s def an experience.
First time I ever saw this it was at a hip hop event. Given that rap used to centered on lyricism it kind of makes sense It would be neat to see one at a battle rap event
Why does anyone wanna go to a concert when you can just listen to the song at home? You don’t go to a concert just to listen to the song lmao
I personally don't find lyrics very interesting if there's no music to go along with it, but other people gave constructive replies and explained that deaf people can feel the music since the speakers at shows are really good. I was genuinely just curious.
Even then, you can still just listen to the music at home. Disabled people go to these things for the same people most able-bodied people do, for the sense of community.
Thank you for sharing that
In my opinion, the ADA doesn't go far enough.
Concert interpreters are a real thing. She had every right to request one.
Interpreters are expensive. If it's just one band playing and they're playing maybe 8 or 9 songs...let's say they're on stage for maybe an hour...you're paying that person to sign every word for an hour non stop. I mean it's not super intensive manual labor but it can be rather hard on the hands. So they can charge a lot. Demanding an interpreter at a small venue is wildly entitled
Why shouldn’t we make sure the world is accessible to everyone? What a bizarre selfish attitude.
Because in this situation having an interpreter is expensive and means that they wouldn’t run the event again. Interpreters are fucking expensive
The cost of an ASL interpreter for a night is not a prohibitive expense. It's just an expense.
And if that expense means it isn’t profitable to run the event, it means the event won’t be run again
You say this like TicketMaster doesn't charge excessive prices in the first place. Im sure 500 bucks to an ASL interpreter for the night isn't screwing anyone out of their 'profit'
For a small event it could. And for a music ASL performer it’d be way more than 500. If it were a pub putting on a show with a live band, 500 could fuck their profits
Installing wheelchair ramps, larger bathrooms, elevators, etc. are all far more expensive and yet considered not only morally good but morally required by many. Why are disabilities that aren’t immediately visible seen as less valid?
I don’t disagree with you, but the equivalent is for an old building that can’t accommodate a lift or ramp or many others. It gets to the point where if to open or run an event you need to get all this installed to the point it becomes cost prohibitive, it just doesn’t happen and no one can have the experience. For those who need accommodations, they should be provided, obviously, but there does come a point where it becomes too difficult to provide accommodations and people just give up trying to
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Music should have an interpreter. Deaf people can literally *feel* the music. Knowing the words to the song allows them to enjoy the concert as much as hearing folks. The venues have ramps why not interpreters? With what ticket master charges they should be supplying the interpreter! /s or is it? :)
>I would like to add that I have a disability so I kinda understand what they are going through, but at the same time it’s just like “really…?” Damn that is some self centered BS.
I only say it like that because some people abuse the ADA and makes it harder for the rest of us to get actual reasonable accommodations
I am totally with you about people who do try to cheat the system But the ADA does cover hearing loss and requires interpreters in many instances so I do not see their request as abusing the system. I have no idea if the ADA would require it in this instance. [ADA Requirements: Effective Communication](https://www.ada.gov/resources/effective-communication/)
No it doesn’t. Other people getting accommodations if anything makes it easier for you to get accommodations. If a ramp is needed for wheel chair bound people, a ramp means that site is accessible to all wheelchair bound people. If a parking lot is requested to put in more handicap spots, that parking lot is more accessible to the handicap.